quest-optimization

[flat granite]

yeah

[stuck ravine]

In my world, some quest users report sliding around when they stop walking, some get stuck in a specific spot in the world near spawn. Does anyone know what i can do about this?

[graceful moss]

Are you using Mesh Colliders?

[stuck ravine]

yes @graceful moss

in some cases

[graceful moss]

That could be a factor

Try swapping with Box Collider

[stuck ravine]

😮

no way, thanks so much for the suggestion @graceful moss

[stuck ravine]

@graceful moss i forgot this is not an option for me as that would allow people to walk through walls

walls, floors and ceilings are a single mesh in my worl

do you know of any other way ?

[graceful moss]

You can use multiple gameobjects and have multiple box colliders

Or add multiple box collider components to a single object

[graceful moss]

.

[stuck ravine]

i would have to add 6 box colliders to some

do you think this bug will be ever be fixed? Could it be worth it to wait for that?

it seems to happen to maybe 5% of quest users the rest dont have any trouble walking around for some reason

[graceful moss]

I don’t think it’s a bug I think it’s how quest does physics

Box collider’s are more efficient than mesh collider most of the time

[hardy horizon]

Does anyone know anything about world lighting and avatars on Quest? Some worlds the avatar seems "reactive", but others the lighting appears static on avatars.

[radiant osprey]

All depends on if the creator has lighting probes in their world

It can also be dependant on the avatar

[hardy horizon]

How would one go about lightprobing the player?

Just adding light-probes doesn't seem to change anything.

[turbid python]

@hardy horizon probably PBR shaders

[hardy horizon]

PBR Shaders? Is that a world thing? Im a bit lost.

[turbid python]

No on the avatars themselves

Through normal maps etc they have a defined physically accurate surface

[hardy horizon]

Nonono. have a matcap lit avatar that responds to lighting on Quest in some worlds but not in others.

[turbid python]

Oh matcaps

[hardy horizon]

Im trying to figure out where probing comes in and how baked lighting works.

(Baking lights itself is a pain and there's not a lot of non-video guides).

I still haven't wrapped my head fully around Unity baked lighting.

[turbid python]

Aren't lights disabled by default on quest avatars?

[hardy horizon]

Lights on avatars are. But I'm working with world lighting.

[turbid python]

Hmm I wonder how it'll re bake when changing to another world with different lighting

[hardy horizon]

AFAIK the mobile shaders respond to realtime directional lights, but I'm not sure how to recreate a "spot" light like that. A lot of people pointed to light probes, since this actually bakes the light within space itself. But it seems adding probes alone isn't enough.

(Why on earth Unity doesn't have a beginner friendly "bake it like it looks in the editor" is beyond me.)

[turbid python]

Is there a specific look needed? Otherwise PBR would do fine no?

[hardy horizon]

MatCap on my avi is necessary.

And It's kinda bad form to tell anyone who enters my world "if you use MatCap, sucks to be you". — That's not solving anything, that's covering up the issue.

Trying to make the world "as compatible" as possible.

Haven't found any guides on the matter, and video tutorials grate my nerves and are hard to learn from.

Maybe it's because of my baked lights...

[sharp zinc]

because beginner friendly generally ends up costing advanced users

[hardy horizon]

I noticed that the light doesn't fall off with the point light when I bake it — I have to use a second texture with transparency to give it a false shadow.

If probes are based on the light in my world, maybe i'm doing something wrong there?

[sharp zinc]

and advanced users make the money

[turbid python]

Maybe the radius of the point light is too small?

[hardy horizon]

It's behaving like the opposite. As if the whole room is lit by the pointlight.

If I switch it to realtime, it looks correct in the editor.

But setting the light to baked it only bakes the shadows cast by other objects.

I might be missing something though. After messing with lighting settings, and enabling "realtime global illumination (deprecated)", it's behaving closer to what I want, editor side.

[radiant osprey]

You don't use probes on avatars. The mesh of your avatar should have a lighting setting set to "Blend Probes" (this is default). If it works in some worlds then I assume it's on. It's up the world creator themselves to add lighting probes to the scene

Nothing you can do on your end if the world creator didn't add them

[hardy horizon]

I'm making a world.

I'm trying to figure out how to properly probe my world.

To make my lighting as compatible as possible.

[radiant osprey]

Just add the probe and then bake your lighting. Probes automatically get baked in

[left holly]

Even if it's matcap, the light will affect how bright it is I think

[hardy horizon]

I figured it out. Spotlights behave WILDLY different with baked lighting. Had to essentially set my atmosphere to black and adjust the spotlight to compensate to the different behavior.

After that probes worked.

[sand mantle]

http://www.csc.villanova.edu/~ekim/classes/CSC3150S17/tutorial/unity_tutorial8.pdf page 7

[jagged nymph]

can quest avatars use normal maps?

[eternal onyx]

yes

[jagged nymph]

Is it while using the bumped diffuse? and do you happen to know how many materials are allowed for a fallback quest avatar

[eternal onyx]

i don't. the standard lite shader is typically what you'd want to use on quest

[jagged nymph]

standard lite. ok. i'll use that. thank you for the info.

[hardy horizon]

Eh wouldn't work for my needs, and I already got it working anyhow (apparently baked spotlights commonly need their intensity multiplied by 10, and range doubled, to mimic their realtime counterparts).

[sand mantle]

weird, usually other way around unless you confused it with specular being part of it but ok lol

[hardy horizon]

Nah, I actually ran into other forums that said the same thing when researching different issues. Spot lights (which expand from a point in a specific direction, conically) apparently are fickle to bake? I guess when baked they "fall off" based on their range, whereas realtime they only fall off towards the 'edges' of the cone.

So at a range of 10, baked, it would mean it'd be brightest at 0, and dimmest 10 units away. Whereas, at least in the editor, a realtime spotlight of 10 would be the same from 0 to 10.

It's possible that "in game" realtime behaves the same, but then that means the editor is showing an unrealistic behavior of the lights and cannot be trusted, lmao.

[hardy horizon]

In my case I have a spotlight shining down from a ceiling, to the floor 3 units away. with a radius that makes it extend outwards just slightly before the edges of the floor. In realtime, in editor, it behaved sorta like a "contained"/"shaped" directional light, and illuminated the floor in a circular shape, fading at the edges.

Baked, it was completely black. No light. Or, with default atmospheric lighting, it'd be completely lit. No in between.

Extending the light's range by 2 resulted in the light reaching the floor when baked.

[sand mantle]

right, cus bounces, i think I know 🤥 what youre saying, its just vocab weirdness tripping me up lol

[edgy kraken]

real time and baked behave differently yeah, because it is possible for baked light to bounce

[sand mantle]

wait, double checking: you made your meshes static right?

[hardy horizon]

yup

[sand mantle]

gen lightmaps/made uv2 stuff?

[hardy horizon]

Only thing more messed up than the light's behavior was the ambient lighting. Had to set it to a color and make it near-black to get the right appearance with baked.

[hardy horizon]

I did generate the lightmap. IDK what you mean about UV2 though.

[sand mantle]

lightmap uvs

[hardy horizon]

It generated them during bake if that's what you mean.

[sand mantle]

is it probuilder/any unity built on mesh maker or is it an imported model?

[hardy horizon]

The floor was a simple Unity plane.

[edgy kraken]

i feel like it could be possible your spotlight just isnt strong enough in baked and you have to trial and error to see where the light actually projects strong enough

[hardy horizon]

That's what it was. We're talking retroactively here.

[edgy kraken]

ah okay

[hardy horizon]

I had my light set to an intensity of around 2, I think, realtime. It's 20 baked.

And my range was .1 units past the floor, realtime.

Baked it's double the distance.

[sand mantle]

hmm, I guess 🤔 another thing that couldve happened was that the material was set to a high metallic level and ate up the lighting

[hardy horizon]

It was using the VRChat mobile lightmapped shader.

Completely unlit except for the lightmap.

[sand mantle]

oh, then thats a weird behaviour

[hardy horizon]

And I tested with other shaders too.

None of them received light until I doubled the length.

[edgy kraken]

interesting

[sand mantle]

their loghtmap shader is usually pretty good at mimicing the matte lighting

[hardy horizon]

Granted I never tested the realtime lighting in VRC, but in the editor, if the spotlight was set to realtime, and the floor used the standard or standard lite shaders, I could have the light's range just a smidgin beyond the floor.

With the baked lighting (using Unity's built in lightmapper) it would barely reach objects half way up to the light, and never reached the floor.

I think this may be unique to spot lights though. I didn't try point lights or other lighting types.

[edgy kraken]

at the very least i did observe them to be completely different, i didn't measure their distance though

[sand mantle]

well, theres many varibles that couldve caused this

[edgy kraken]

i think "mixed" is kinda iffy too

[sand mantle]

but im here with 6 years experience who can actually bake lighting without even looking at the realtime counter part before bake

[hardy horizon]

It's possible I could've changed some lightmapping settings enough to get the same result, but the fact that lightmapping is not WYSIWYG to realtime lights, and the fact I'm still green to a lot of this, meant I didn't have the patience or knowhow to do it "right".

As long as my lights are baked it makes no difference.

[sand mantle]

so i havent really seen realtime lights be so drastically different unless some setting was meshed with or something else

fair game

[hardy horizon]

I did set the lightmapper to subtractive, but using the default option (shadowmask) made no difference.

[sand mantle]

id do shadowmask for more accuracy

ohhhh i wonder if it was the directional map

[hardy horizon]

Di...rectional... map?

Huh?

[sand mantle]

the default is to also bake a dir lightmap, which can kind of mess with results a bit if youre not careful

[sand mantle]

imagine a normal map, but its for uv2/lightmaps

[hardy horizon]

Oh that setting.

[sand mantle]

just makes lightmaps look more ”depthy”

[hardy horizon]

IDK why that'd effect a flat plane though.

[sand mantle]

me neither but anything is possible in unity

i recalled one time that the dir lightmap made the main lightmaps way darker and birghter than they should

i also recomend not using directional when youre new to light baking

just as like: a general thing

[hardy horizon]

I'll remember that.

I do remember seeing a post that said that too, but I noticed no difference with it off at the time, so I ignored that.

Though that was before I figured out the ambient light, so EVERYTHING was lit.

Possible that would've fixed my intensity issue after I figured the ambient situation out.

[sand mantle]

right, the environment or whatever its called now

oh, was ambient occullsion on?

[hardy horizon]

No. It only lets me turn it on in the lighting settings if I also enable the "deprecated" realtime lightmaps.

If I'm understanding correctly.

[sand mantle]

i dont think youd need rtgi

[hardy horizon]

Oh wait I confused it with the AO mode.

[sand mantle]

AO is like excess shadows between meshes

[hardy horizon]

Yes it is on, though it wasn't before when I was having issues.

I turned it on after the fact.

[sand mantle]

i would turn that off, that could make things darker since thats one of the key things itll do

[hardy horizon]

I actually liked it, currently. The contrast of the harsh shadows is nice. It made no difference off with the spotlight distance thing.

That I did check.

[sand mantle]

k

ye, AO is usually favored by new people, just dont use it on PP

[hardy horizon]

PP?

[sand mantle]

post processing

[hardy horizon]

Oh. Isn't PP disabled on Quest.

I have 0 intentions to make PC only worlds.

Since, well, I primarily use Quest.

Oculus doesn't support VMs, even though my MacBook meets the specs to run VRC in it. (GPU thing. No AMF or NVENC).

[sand mantle]

ye but just as a general rule, AO for PP is just not a good idea for vr right now lol

[sand mantle]

what macbook you use? is that what youre using for unity?

[hardy horizon]

MacBook Pro Late 16/Early 17 13-Inch Fn Key model with 16GB RAM and an AM RX570S eGPU over thunderbolt 3.

I can bootcamp windows, and do have it installed, but it's a bear to switch back and forth.

And the lack of R/W APFS drivers for Windows makes it excruciating.

[oblique remnant]

yes, post processing is not available for quest builds

[sand mantle]

k, theres like a tiny commune of quest macbook unity peeps and theres not many for vrc so im just curious whay your status of it was lol

[hardy horizon]

It honestly needs replaced though because it's really starting to show its age. If I had money I'd get an iMac with the M1. Would be eons better performance wise.

[hardy horizon]

I started off with AltSpace for practice, but when a major update completely halved my world's performance to a slideshow I gave up.

Granted I couldn't get light baking to work then either.

Baked lights just destroyed my world on the defaults, and unlike the spotlight issue recently, then I couldn't figure out how to fix it.

[sand mantle]

m1 lightbaking is a speed demon

[sand mantle]

in asvr?

[hardy horizon]

Yeah. In AltSpace. I was practicing at the time since a friend of mine was too nervous for VRChat. I had the world working stable with realtime lights, as long as I didn't go overboard. BUT after the big update that added merged Microsoft accounts my worlds just became utterly unusable.

I tried baking my lights at the time as I knew it'd give a performance boost, but my lights were always muddy, colors were washed out, and shadows were very poorly rendered, using the defaults. The realtime had clean shadows, bright lights, and vivid colors.

[sand mantle]

couldve been a drawcall reset to the world

[hardy horizon]

TBF I probably had a lot of bad practices in the world. I always meant to improve it, but seeing my world go from useable to 2FPS slideshow killed any motivation to improve.

[sand mantle]

I remember asvr wpuld run pretty well woth rtlights, i cant remember why

[hardy horizon]

I imagine the CPU load was small.

[sand mantle]

id make new then, but asvr lets you have rtshadows

[hardy horizon]

IDK what they changed with the big update but whatever it was, it completely changed the stability of ASVR worlds.

[sand mantle]

thats unfun

[hardy horizon]

Yeah.

If it was just a slight perf. drop it'd been fine. But it went from stable FPS handling me AND a friend, to being a slideshow solo.

It's like something fundamental to how they rendered worlds changed.

Granted it could've been the RT lighting. But the fact that the performance overhead changed that much was baffling.

[hardy horizon]

Yes

Occlusion culling is actually pretty important too, as it reduces rendering overhead.

https://gitlab.com/s-ilent/SCSS/-/wikis/Other/Occlusion-Culling

Learning to bake occlusion for static objects is also important, similar to baked lightmaps.

[formal grove]

Use standard lite.

[hardy horizon]

Don't forget to bake lighting! Quest is restrictive on lights.

[sharp zinc]

Never used to though

[heavy vortex]

not sure why but my baked lighting still doesnt show up on the quest version of my world, i always make sure to bake before uploading also

[sharp zinc]

Me when optimise

[slate ruin]

Does anyone know how to optimize the hyenid for the quest?

[turbid python]

@slate ruin you'd have to edit the topo

And remove physics etc if there are any

[slate ruin]

What do you mean? The hyenid in the files has a quest friendly fbx- if I use that and export it to unity like a normal avatar with the SDK and all of that on an android build would that be quest compatible?

[turbid python]

Ah it has a quest version? You should use that one yeah and check if there's any specific instructions for said version

[slate ruin]

Ok! Thank you ^^

[glad fossil]

anyone know how to swap recording eyes from right to left during streaming?

helping out a friend with this and just thought i should throw this in here

[sharp zinc]

Is it normal to have 30-70 fps on vrchat with quest 2? My pc spec is 3070ti, 16gb ram and i7-11700lf. If I turn on dynamic bone it even hit 10fps sometime if there more then 8 people.

[lone stone]

anyone know why i cant see some peoples actual avatar? There are some people that sometimes have a default skin when they really have a different not default avatar

[humble canyon]

probably because they have a very poor Avatar so it shows a fallback Avatar

there is no way to automatically show all very poor avatars because that could crash your headset as there's no limit to how much resources a very poor Avatar can use

[shell jay]

Be neat if you could specifiy certain limits it'd be okay to auto show instead of just "ranks"
like what if you're comfortable with how a 45k tris 10 material avatar effects your FPS but not avatars above that so you could set it to auto show avatars with those stats and/or below

this would equally be useful for PC

[austere grove]

Is it possible to edit locomotions on quest/fallback avatars? Like walking/sitting animations?

Never done much within these limits

[humble canyon]

yes you should be able to do that

[austere grove]

Thanks

[graceful vessel]

Can you upload a custom avatar to quest if its performance is medium

[humble canyon]

yes there wouldn't be any problem with uploading a medium Quest Avatar

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system#quest-limits

https://i.gyazo.com/e3494532b884ac7597469e9f5f89b508.png

[graceful vessel]

Ok awesome

Thank you!!

[humble canyon]

but I would know you would still need a computer with unity installed to upload the avatar

[graceful vessel]

I have unity. Ive been trying to implement an avatar for awhile now and after doing the auto fix in the SDK it said the performance was medium though wasnt sure if that was fine for Quest

I still cant implement it cause I have to fix something that cant be auto fixed but im getting there

[humble canyon]

I would note that the SDK tooltip about the performance rank is showing for the current platform you have active

[shell jay]

I'm trying to optimize a VRoid head
The only thing left that had transparency is the eye brows
So I'm attempting to use the knife tool to just manually cut the eyebrow out of the box but when I do then shapekeys completely break
How do I cut it out without breaking shapekeys??

[turbid python]

You cant

The moment you edit vertices it'll break the shapekeys

[shell jay]

Hmm

fun

For people in future
I think I figured it out
make a duplicate, use knife, delete all shapekeys, then use mesh data transfer to transfer original shapekeys

[humble canyon]

https://i.gyazo.com/f6f67e347bbeecd31f500b61d77a9214.png

the green shows a safe cut but the red is a bad cut as it introduces a new Vertex in the middle that it has no clue what to do with

[shell jay]

I'm pretty sure I only did safe cuts

anyhow I figured out a solution

[humble canyon]

cool

[graceful vessel]

Ok I just uploaded my first avatar though after I uploaded turns out I can only use it on pc

How do I upload it for Quest

[uneven spade]

That's fortunately a question Google can answer, there's several YT guides on the subject and it's very easy.. assuming the model is optimized.

[graceful vessel]

Its a medium performance avatar right now

[graceful vessel]

Ok yeah that did not translate well at all

[opal violet]

hey i know how to do this!!

basically the picture rainwolf sent

but you can make multiple cuts

so if you cut through the blue line it works fine!!

[sharp zinc]

How can you improve the graphics on VRCHAT from Quest? There’s so much glitches from images and some are pink because of errors

[humble canyon]

there's not really anything you can do about that because that's mapmakers doing a poor job with their worlds if you're getting pink errors

[sharp zinc]

So I guess viewing the worlds will be better on PC

Is there any best worlds for Quest?

[humble canyon]

https://everythingimmersive.com/communities/vrchat-worlds/so-you-got-a-quest2-2 not that it would cover all of them but here's some nice worlds

[sharp zinc]

Not much interesting worlds though

[humble canyon]

curiosity is there particular kind of world are you looking for?

[sharp zinc]

I’m looking for furry worlds as well as retro stuff worlds

[shell jay]

I have a list of "pretty" worlds that are Quest compatible should I try and save that in a sharable form later?

[untold night]

Yes

[sand mantle]

yep

[humble canyon]

yes

[muted oak]

I'm on quest 1 and was wondering what settings do I change to better enhance my graphics

In sidequest

[radiant osprey]

You can't change graphics quality on Quest. The only thing you can do to improve FPS it to limit avatars more harshly

[shell jay]

Up the GPU/CPU level and if you can handle it lower the texture resolution

[shell jay]

Nah you can change graphics stuff

ADB commands

@sand mantle @humble canyon Hope this is good

[humble canyon]

cool I'll have to check some of those out

[shell jay]

I have only seen a few of them on Quest so the "Pretty" aspect might be uncertain..

But the ones I have seen natively on Quest from that listed looked okay

[humble canyon]

yeah I don't have a quest as well to check

[shell jay]

Not in the list because I forgot I didn't have it saved/favorited
Cozy Cave is nice

[radiant osprey]

Aren't these only for Oculus itself, not VRChat?

[shell jay]

The ADB commands control the Quest itself yes but that directly effects VRChat
It's like changing your monitor resolution on your computer or overclocking your CPU/GPU yes that technically doesn't do anything to your software but it undeniably has a direct impact on it

Does that make sense?

[radiant osprey]

But sidequest is running on a quest, right?

[shell jay]

Nope

Sidequest is a PC application

[radiant osprey]

So then you could run VRChat in PC mode

[shell jay]

No

Sidequest is an app sideloader and ADB interface

basically

[bleak ocean]

I'm testing mobile shaders and I've instantly got a problem. First thing I tested was this gun, which loses its' colour with 'standard lite':

I can see why, as the usual shader lets me pick the colour.

Is there an easy way to assign colours to these? Having them grey on Quest wouldn't be a complete disaster, but it's still a step down.

I also have this bottle (and other objects) with the shader selection greyed out on some parts, like the label:

[humble canyon]

go to the object import settings and there should be a extract materials button then the materials will be available to be edited

[bleak ocean]

Thanks! I should have known that as I've done it before! 🤦‍♂️

[humble canyon]

and something that might help out with optimization in general would be combining the textures of your non tiling materials so that you use less draw calls

https://github.com/maxartz15/MA_TextureAtlasser found this tool that can handle generating the texture atlases in unity and even handle PBR materials and it generates a new copy of the object with the texture Atlas so your stuff is left intact

[sand mantle]

ooooh i see one of mine made it in lol

[crude venture]

Aah I just wanted to ask if anyone here has purchased a booth avatar before and if so how did you get those converted to quest compatibility? (if you did that is ^^;)

[sand mantle]

depends on booth model, sometimes they come with specially decimated models for quest, some come with cheaply auto decimated models, some dont at all. if its pc only, youll want to optimize it

[crude venture]

hmm okay I think I kind of understand that,, though if it is pc and you have to get it to quest how do you upload those if they say very poor performance ? :< bc most of my crossplay avatars say that

but when I try to upload one myself like that the button goes grey

[sand mantle]

set your unity project to android, then reupload the avatar (shader switches are required)

[crude venture]

ooh yes I did that! but she says very poor performance or smth the one like this and due to that it doesn't allow me to uplaod her :<

I think that was it I might want to check again I had wanted to buy another model too (Rindo) but I do not know if I'll be able to as she's also a very big avatar

and I am afraid to get the same thing with very poor preformance to where I might not be able to upload her it really confuses me to how other people do upload them even despite that

hghj sorry if that was alot-

[plush jacinth]

you usually have written how much polygons avatar have before buying

below 20k is good thing

materials isn't problem since you can make atlas

[crude venture]

https://booth.pm/en/items/3443188 Well this is the avatar I'd wanted to buy for a while and the description

[humble canyon]

yikes that's a very heavy Avatar even on PC

[crude venture]

I do have a public version of her which is converted to quest aswell?

[crude venture]

yeaa I noticed I had no idea before

[humble canyon]

like how the heck do you use 90 materials on a avatar

[plush jacinth]

90 materials holy moly

it would need so much optimization

[crude venture]

[plush jacinth]

for it to work on default settings

[crude venture]

ooh nooo

[plush jacinth]

unsupported shaders too

it would be more worth to do retopo of it

[crude venture]

retopo ? :o

[plush jacinth]

well but that would require some skill

[humble canyon]

basically rebuild it from the ground up to be not so ludicrously High poly

[crude venture]

A-

[humble canyon]

but that's probably not a good beginner project

[crude venture]

oh my gosh

[humble canyon]

question is Quest your primary platform or just a consideration for Quest users

[crude venture]

consideration as my friends are on quest ^^

I am too but it is hooked up to my pc so I do not have any issues with that myself

[plush jacinth]

it could be possible to make it so quest can see it but only when someone enables it manually

maybe use some addons that optimize avatars and it could work

most important thing is materials and polygons

[humble canyon]

yeah but like $70 is a lot when you don't have a lot of experience with Avatar optimizing

[plush jacinth]

that's true

paying 70$ and having to do optimizing is not worth it

[humble canyon]

like honestly I would suggest finding a free to download Anime Avatar to practice on

[plush jacinth]

or vroid

it's nice to make there anime characters

not super hard to learn

[crude venture]

I do already have one !

she was also really hard to do though

[humble canyon]

that it shouldn't be too tricky to adjust some settings in vroid and have it be in the quest budget

[crude venture]

https://booth.pm/en/items/3040745 I bought her

my friend had set her up for me however! But even she had alot of trouble with it and she's very experienced

[plush jacinth]

she is pc focused too

[crude venture]

mhmm, I guess that should've been obvious since they are from the same creator :<

[plush jacinth]

i mean yeah with blender addons it could take even couple hours to optimize it

[humble canyon]

like if you just need a customized Anime Avatar to be a fall back https://hiroiheya.booth.pm/items/1381874 this Avatar is Quest compatible and has a decent amount of little pieces to customize

[crude venture]

nono I really have wanted the Rindo one for quite a while bc I thought she was a really unique and pretty character but hearing this I don't kow if I would be able to actually get her

[humble canyon]

question have you ever Quest optimized a Avatar before

[crude venture]

noo T.T I really have no experience it's kind of why I came here

[plush jacinth]

i know there is payed unity addon that optimize avatars for quest automaticly

i heard from someone that uses it that it's pretty good

but it costs 30$

[crude venture]

oh my reallyy? do you think it would work on even such a big avatar as this?

[plush jacinth]

that i don't know sadly

i don't have it

[crude venture]

ooh that's okay ^^;

[plush jacinth]

i don't use avatars made by others

sometimes i rig other avatars

but that's it

[humble canyon]

myself I use pre-made avatars that I modify but I tend to go with ones that are Quest compatible out of the box

[crude venture]

I've tried to see if there were people who took commissions to set up big avatars like this for quest but I couldn't rlly find much :<

[humble canyon]

https://markcreator.gumroad.com/l/Polytool

[plush jacinth]

ye that what i meant

it has demo version tho

might be worth a try

[humble canyon]

that's a bit of a problematic commission type to do because that requires both parties to have the model or you're engaging in piracy

[plush jacinth]

you could try with avatar you have already

[crude venture]

ooh yea you're right I hadn't even really that that far ahead yet

[crude venture]

I will do that then ! ^^

[humble canyon]

like that kind of works okay with furs models because there tends to be like a lot of potential customers so it's worth it for the person doing like texture edits to have one already purchased so the both parties have it already criteria is met

[humble canyon]

yeah definitely wouldn't hurt to try as the tool has a free trial

[crude venture]

yees that is true! I will try it though for now I will also hold off from buying anything too quickly then thank youu for all the help here!

[turbid python]

If all fails there's always retopology

[crude venture]

huuh what's that?

[crude venture]

ooh oh I had another question! is there a way to know a hairstye won't get ''back face culling'' ?

since it sometimes goes invisible with the mobile shaders

https://tenor.com/view/confused-question-anime-question-mark-huh-gif-16142378

[radiant osprey]

Typically you want backface culling for performance reasons, but many popular shaders support it being turned off such as Poiyomi

[crude venture]

Ooh I don't exactly know how to phrase it bc my knowledge is really limited but currently when my avatar is on quest the front of her hair disappears

And I can't use poiyomi for it since that's a pc shader and won't allow me to use it for quest :<

I don't know if there's any way to fix it or know it won't happen with other hair sets

[oblique remnant]

look into geometry's normal direction in eg blender, it may be the wrong way, flipping can fix this

[eternal onyx]

turning off backface culling in the shader can cause performance problems. the best way to get around this is by duplicating your hair geometry and then inverting the normals, so that you have two coplanar surfaces facing in opposite directions

that way you'll be able to see the hair cards from either side

[crude venture]

Ooh thaank you that is so incredibly helpful!!

[slate cradle]

If you open it in blender you can turn on the option “Face orientation” - Anything that turns red will go invisible in a one-sided shader

You can select those areas and run the command “flip”

So that the blue side faces outward

If you need to see both sides of something you’ll just need to duplicate it and flip the duplicate. More triangles.

[shell jay]

If it needs to be two sided you can duplicate the faces and flip the duplicates normals but that will result in a higher poly count obviously

[tacit beacon]

I just use Solidify at 0

[molten brook]

Anyone know how to make an pc avatar quest compatible?

[eternal onyx]

assuming you have the project files, switch the build target to Android, switch the materials over to VRChat's standard lite shader, and reduce the polygon count if necessary

[loud zenith]

excellent rated avatar :3

the cats bake feature is so easy i didnt have to do anything

[humble canyon]

good

[turbid python]

Cats can bake?

[slow hearth]

Cats get baked on catnip

[gloomy wraith]

Same with Tigers but not lions

[dim bluff]

I swear I need to come up with a better name for it, but I've been struggling for months and can't think of anything

• cat kiln
• kitty kiln
• chelseabake
• lodbake
• frisky fricassee
• purrcolate
• clowderbake (sounds like a kind of chowder)
• pawtisserie
• biscuit bake
• purrista

for being about cats and, potentially, loafs, you'd think it'd be easier to come up with a pun

[loud zenith]

its sooo good tho, it's literally fire and forget with no effort

i find it works best with furry avis tho since they dont usually have clothes

but you can always delete geometry behind clothes

but seriously, thank you for the feature in cats

[sand mantle]

click on material, and at the top is a drop down for shaders

[pure wind]

how will i know my avatar is ready for quest? its just a reskin of a free model, it said it was quest and sdk3 compatible

[humble canyon]

try switching your build platform to Android and see what the like Avatar stats say

[pure wind]

ok

[pure wind]

this is currently what my control panel looks like

you want me to switch the target to android right?

[humble canyon]

yes

question does your download have a quest compatible package as those stats are suggesting it's a bit heavy for the quest

[pure wind]

just came with one package

but here it is now

[humble canyon]

good to know

[pure wind]

i did get an error at the bottom stating

Switching to Android:AndroidPlayer is disabled

[humble canyon]

did you install the Android build of unity

[pure wind]

no thats what i was just wondering

should i go do that and retry all this

[humble canyon]

yes you should go take care of having the Android build installed otherwise it's not going to work

[pure wind]

i was asking that earlier because to make sabers for modded beatsaber on quest you need android build

[pure wind]

alright

the model used some thing called skinedit so i should be able to remake it quick

wait should i delete my current unity version since i wont be making pc avatars ever

[humble canyon]

you should upload PC versions of your avatars because there's no reason not to as it's only 2 extra minutes

as it's no good for chunks of user base being unable to see your avatar

[pure wind]

ohhhh

wait so when i upload an avatar for quest it isnt for pc and quest

just quest?

[humble canyon]

yes you have to upload for both platforms

[pure wind]

ahhhh

but

[humble canyon]

because the different platforms literally get different files for handling the avatars so if you just upload to the quest you only have the quest files

[pure wind]

when i upload for both platforms it merges them right

[humble canyon]

yes if they both have the same build ID which happens when you go upload one platform swap platform upload to the other

[pure wind]

i just need the one install right though, with android build support

[humble canyon]

yes you currently have the Windows support so you just need to install the Android build

and then resume your avatar uploading

[pure wind]

uhoh

i uninstalled windows

BUT

i do know from seeing earlier that it does windows and android

from downloading versions for beatsaber

it downloaded windows now its doing android

[humble canyon]

question what version of unity does the beat saber modding do as that's potentially a different Unity version than vrchat uses

[pure wind]

it is different

[humble canyon]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/current-unity-version

[pure wind]

i just downloaded the vrchat one

2019.4.31f1

android/windows support

[humble canyon]

cool

[pure wind]

alright thanks for your help

im gonna retry and see if it works

i cant import the package anymore

the sdk is in still

[pure wind]

do yknow why?

[humble canyon]

no I don't quite know why

[pure wind]

think i know why it could be

my stupid disk is full

yup that was why

i cleared it tho

its been full all the time and whenever i recycle like 30gb of stuff it just comes back

[humble canyon]

did you like completely delete this stuff or just put them in the recycling bin as stuff in the recycling bin still takes up file size

[pure wind]

completely delete

but i did have hundreds of things in recycling

got rid of em all

but its building now 👍

[humble canyon]

cool

[pure wind]

sort of

im switching to android first lol

uploading it for quest first just to make sure i have it for myself

also will it ask me for an avatar name and to be private or public and that stuff

[humble canyon]

yes

[pure wind]

just checking!

[pure wind]

huge thanks again for all the help :)

[humble canyon]

glad to be of help

[pure wind]

nooooo it says theres a shader on it

but the avatar said it was quest compatible

[humble canyon]

https://github.com/kurotu/VRCQuestTools#readme

[pure wind]

?

[humble canyon]

the triangle count listing your screenshots exceeds the the recommended amount of triangles for the quest so the Avatar is going to be very poor and would require people to manually turn on the Avatar to see it on the quest so it's not especially Quest compatible

[pure wind]

yeah.

[pure wind]

download this?

[humble canyon]

you don't need to you just need to swap the Shader to a vrchat mobile Shader I just find that tool handy for speeding it up

[pure wind]

ok

i dont even know how to do any of that

lol

should i set this

[humble canyon]

click select on the first error message it'll take you to the material so you can swap the Shader

[humble canyon]

sure probably wouldn't hurt

[sharp zinc]

can someone help with converting avatar to quest

[sharp zinc]

would you help me?

[humble canyon]

what part is currently giving you trouble about the quest Avatar

[sharp zinc]

i uploaded it already and did nothing to it

but it was a pc avatar but the package says it’s quest

do i have to manually make it quest

?

[humble canyon]

well yes you have to upload the quest version of the avatar

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/cross-platform-setup

[sharp zinc]

and do i make it quest

[sharp zinc]

oh

uhm

yea i mentally can’t learn from that

i’m a visual learner

so i like genuinely can’t read and actually do it correctly bc i’m dumb :,))

[humble canyon]

https://youtu.be/rRAnDMUbWt8?t=645

[sharp zinc]

😮

[humble canyon]

vrchat official tutorial that mentions Quest Avatar upload

[sharp zinc]

alr alr

always a backup

[humble canyon]

I would also recommend the whole video series but it jumps straight to the quest portion with that link

[sharp zinc]

i just need the quest part

hopefully that helps

if it doesn’t

then i’m just stupid

[sharp zinc]

if i perhaps still can’t get it right can you walk me thru it over call.. or- if not it’s fine i could wake up my friend and have him upload it for me

[humble canyon]

not really in the mood to walk through as you need to pick up the skills of being able to understand from video tutorials

[sharp zinc]

i’m

autistic-

👀

meaning i’m mentally slow

[radiant osprey]

Google can get you the answers you need

[frail hill]

How to omit object in quest in Unity?

[eternal onyx]

just disable it in the quest version of your project

[frail hill]

Got it

[rapid arrow]

Video players linked to drop box randomly breaking? Has anyone experienced this problem before?

[royal copper]

Can someone port an avatar to quest for me? I would prefer it be through decimation because it's simple

[sharp zinc]

i uploaded an avatar but it didnt upload bc it said error to save blueprint

[flat granite]

Upload?

[royal copper]

no

I have a pc only avatar

and i want it on quest

can someone use decimation in blender or unity to decrease poly count, delete dynamic bones, and then upload for quest

[flat granite]

Vrchat automatically gets rid of dynamic bones

[sharp zinc]

I have an avatar that’s pc only but would like to have on quest as well, problem is I don’t know anything about avatar optimization and stuff like that

It’s a Sebastian Michaelis avatar

[flat granite]

I saw ur bio u hate whoever that is and are uploading-

[sharp zinc]

Trust me it’s for a very good reason

Mainly just to tease my girlfriend
Which is the main reason I hate him lol

[flat granite]

Oh

I would help rn but I'm uploading for someone

[sharp zinc]

You good

I’m not home rn anyways lol

[flat granite]

Ah okay

[sharp zinc]

I just wanted to know if there was a way I can have it done

[flat granite]

I could do it maybe

[sharp zinc]

Or if someone could help me get it done

[flat granite]

Dms?

[sharp zinc]

Sure

[sharp zinc]

How can you add a render system for VRC worlds so that quest can run optimally

[humble canyon]

the quest upload and the PC upload of the map can be different

so you could use like lower resolution textures with simple shaders and less triangles on the quest build

[mild crown]

How can I make my pc only avatar quest compatible?

[slow hearth]

The most basic thing is simply making it available

you can do that without optimization or whatever, you'll just risk it having shit performance

on the docs there is a page that goes over it

its basically: do that same thing you did for your PC avatar, but you switch the build target on the project to Android

then it'll upload for android in the vrc SDK

[sharp zinc]

Go easy on me, I am very new to avatar uploading.

If I hit "select" it doesn't show anything about the things mentioned in here, I already solved two out of five but am kinda stuck with these three. I know how to find shaders and change them to Toon Lit and all, but I literally can never find these three errors anywhere to fix. Anyone willing to help me sort this out?

What I'm trying to do is make an avatar that's been given to me, into an Quest-compatible avatar so that I can upload it as a private to my account.

I don't know where to find the option to change these thingies.

I am beginner when it comes to uploads.

I know now I have to use Toon Lit but where do I change these into Toon Lit? I already cjanged two to Toon Lit but cannot find where to change the other things.

Yes, I would appreciate someone to explain me where to click and how to find them stuff.

My laptop might be ultra slow tho

No that was serious, I actually appreciate it because I literally do not know where to find these things and how to change some.

I got an entire avatar pack from a friend and am allowed to do with it whatever but I am a Quest user and now have to find my way into making them Quest compatible.

Aight, will call you.

Booting up Discord on my PC rn.

Huge thanks to @sharp zinc! Problem is now solved and fixed! 🙏🏻

[prisma dagger]

would anyone be able to hop in a call real quick to look at my quest world to see what would lag quest users? idk much about quest optimization and theres something lagging them but idk what it is

[worn wadi]

i can in about 20-30 mins if thats okay

my oculus is charging and pc isnt set up

[prisma dagger]

thats too late for me sorry i more mean someone look at the unity side who is would be able to look at the heirarchy and say like oh these two things would be lagging people im free for like 15-20 mins

i know where people lag and the weird nuances of them lagging i just dont know how to fix it in unity

[fluid axle]

guys i have a model i export from a game its have more then 30m polygons

as i try to decrase its kill the model

any other idea how i can fix it

[humble canyon]

I suggest trying a different Avatar than that as that's going to be hard to optimize

[humble canyon]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/quest-content-limitations

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system#quest-limits

[mint iron]

Under 10 MB, no dynamic bones, only VRChat mobile shaders

[humble canyon]

no Cloth. Constraints. FinalIK Cameras Lights Audio Sources Physics Objects in Quest

[crimson mural]

Basically all the fun gets removed? gotcha

[eternal onyx]

you're gonna want to use something like zbrush or blender to remove most of those polygons, or manually retopologize on top of that old model. you're looking at a maximum of like 10,000 triangles, so you have your work cut out for you

to get some of the fine details back, you can bake mesh maps from the high resolution geometry down to the low resolution. substance painter is great for this but there's other tools out there that do this. basically you're projecting the fine details onto the simple mesh, to create normal and occlusion maps

30m polygons is crazy by any standards, even for a PC avatar you'd never have even 1/100th of that

[humble canyon]

like that's even absurd for the cutscene quality models used in AAA games 30m

[heady wing]

I think you’d have to manually redo it as I don’t think most computers would have enough memory or cpu to decimate that many tris.

[eternal onyx]

depends on the software and how many different meshes are adding up to that poly count. houdini could make short work of remeshing even 30m polygons in a lot of cases, but blender would choke to death for sure

comparatively short work anyways. you'd still be waiting a while.

[heady wing]

Blender would probably crash from just having to store undo history

[sharp zinc]

So I have come to needing to make an avatar quest compatible and the shaders look so bad with it and idk how to even make it look a little good with the quest shaders

Any tips?

Find a good matcap. Or if the avatar already has maps, apply them in standard lite.

[sharp zinc]

Why couldn’t Quest just update

[candid ore]

hey can someone help me optimize my model for quest?

ive been trying for the past few days

but im getting nowhere

and yes

I would like to keep my meshes seprate for rigging and toggle resons

also my shape keys wont transfer over

[cloud pivot]

Is there a outline toon shader for quest? or do i have to double the poly count just to have a outline

please @ me if you respond c:

[sharp zinc]

Maybe if you had a decent matcap that gives off the impression of such.

You can do a lot with matcaps

[cloud pivot]

hmm kk thank you

[radiant osprey]

Not possible if you want seperate skinned meshes
https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system#quest-limits

[humble canyon]

because it's bad for the framerate

and one Avatar doing that might be okay but a whole room of avatars also having eight materials would be bad for the framerate

the size of the textures isn't going to affect that as it's the CPU being hit by lots of material slots

pretty much all of the why can't I do that questions could be summed up with its a cellphone power-wise The Quest 2

[radiant osprey]

All the performance stats for quest were made for a reason. They all have a performance cost and they're limited based on that cost

[eternal onyx]

keep in mind that the performance brackets weren't made for just one avatar... if you're in a room with a dozen other avatars on a mobile device like the quest, that's gonna add up fast

[humble canyon]

especially if there's a mirror

[sand mantle]

losing 2 frames is a lot imo

[compact cobalt]

2 frames per avi is a lot of frames when there's 20 people.

[humble canyon]

like that's 40 frames

[graceful moss]

Each material is an extra render that is likely unneeded

The only time you should have seperate materials on the same object is if its transparency vs solid, or that a shader that can preform all the needed functions is more expensive than the extra passes

(So basically never)

Its difficult to optimize materials/shaders without tech knowledge but its possible

[green ferry]

I make it not lag

how

[ivory kite]

good-rated quest avatars are a myth

[humble canyon]

actually they are doable you just need to be knowledgeable on low-poly modeling

and pick a style that can be done in the constraints

[ivory kite]

nope they're a conspiracy theory

I hope someday someone manages to make one, but it'll never happen

[humble canyon]

there's plenty of avatars floating around that are from like literal PS2/GameCube/wii/3ds games that manage good just fine

[ivory kite]

hmm nope pretty sure it's impossible

maybe AI will be able to do it one day, but humans can't achieve it

[humble canyon]

why does it benefit you to say it's impossible

[sand mantle]

i have an excellent avatar i use sometimes

[sharp zinc]

85% of my avatars are a medium or good rating on quest. But that's mainly because I stick with lower-poly models for the most part

Mobile Game Shtuffs

[ebon thorn]

Aren't all fallback avatars rated good?

[humble canyon]

yes

[ebon thorn]

I've made a fallback compatible avatar, it was really easy IMO, I am probably less skilled in avatar making than most people who upload even just recoloured avatars

[humble canyon]

also I guess it would depend on what you're using as your Source material on how easy it is to make a fall back

like if you're running around with a recolored MMD model kitbash you're going to have a lot harder time

[ebon thorn]

My source material was my mind

[humble canyon]

like at these here to manage the budget if you're doing the modeling yourself

[ebon thorn]

I think by the end, my avatar came in at 3.5k polygons, I would have to look again

[humble canyon]

very nice

[ivory kite]

jokes aside, that's an insane poly budget

got a pic?

[ebon thorn]

Yeah, lemme just try to find it...

The blue one was the first version and then I uploaded a few different colour variations

Oop, found the fbx file, it's 4702 polygons

3603 vertices

[naive sierra]

I was trying to optimise for quest in blender, I am currently at the atlas for the material combiner and it doesn't seem to work properly. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or what but it tells me to download it but I get an error when it tries to load

[foggy bridge]

0.0

[steep cobalt]

hey so after i switched my avatar to the andriod build i got a pop up asking if i'd like to set my texture compression to ASTC. Do i have to do that or should i ignore the pop up

[lean hare]

I mean, if it doesn't break anything then I don't see why not?

Also I'm dumbfounded as to how some people can get avatars below 5K polygons that's uh... wow

[sharp zinc]

usually they arent human avatars

[lean hare]

True

[sharp zinc]

the hair takes alot of geometry

[lean hare]

True, it does tend to take up a lot of that

[ebon thorn]

I can't do hair, so with my past human avatars, I just used a hair texture

They all looked really creepy

[sharp zinc]

thennn make ur character wear a hat and have a PONYTAIL

league of legend charavter models seem to do blob hair so u can look at that too vallee

agree

but fr you can make hair look good and be like bulbous

its just ALL sold in the texturing

[ebon thorn]

I like to make my avatars reflect me, I don't like either of those

[sharp zinc]

nahh aww ok

i get the reflection tho

what kinda hair u got?

[ebon thorn]

When I get it cut, I just have it an inch all around

[sharp zinc]

oh bruh

[ebon thorn]

I don't do much with my hair

[sharp zinc]

grow it out bro

dont trim

[ebon thorn]

I let it grow out sometimes, but then it becomes hard for me to maintain

[quick solar]

Does anyone know how one could fix this? When I do the auto fix, it pretty much removes the avatar. 😦

[open forum]

reload the sdk

its a bug

[twilit notch]

I’m booting VRChat for the first time in 3 days and it’s taking forever to download VRChat home when it usually takes 5 seconds, what gives?

[sharp zinc]

There’s been an update to it as of the dynamics beta…?

[violet jewel]

im on quest 1 and vr chat wont load?

it gets to the loogging in as omgseal (my username) and then it dosent load beyond that, its just stuck on a blank screen

[lavish whale]

when adding any supported shader to a material for the quest version of an avatar, the eyebrows and eyelids get messed up (shader used: standard lite, this one also causes a discolouration)

[sharp zinc]

they rely on transparency to properly get cutout

quest shaders dont support transparency

youd need to manually knife tool out alll of the gemetry that would be where alpha is 0

[twilit notch]

Didn’t know at the time, thanks

[gleaming depot]

Post processing, it does not work in Quest worlds correct?

[humble canyon]

yeah you can't use post-processing on Quest

[gleaming depot]

Thank you 😄

[left holly]

You have to fake it.

[gloomy storm]

Is anyone able to take a skin and make it quest compatible for me?

[crimson mural]

The propper way to add items to a model on quest, how does one do that exactly? I was thinking of adding another material slot (this would make it medium, no worries) to atlas all the textures of the models I need and just place them all on the mesh with bones

I'm not a blender user so if anyone knows any better ways to do it, please tell me

[sharp zinc]

you would want to atlas all the materials into one or 2 yea

and id actually have only one mesh and toggle the prop with a scaling bone animation

not have it as a seperate mesh and animate the mesh being disabled and enabled for a toggle

[crimson mural]

this is how I've been doing it for a long time now

[sharp zinc]

yea most people think of that first its okay

[crimson mural]

I'm not good with blender so I suppose I should get the basics for it first

but importing a cherub model is a pain. I guess that could be the test I would build up for

[sharp zinc]

yea do learn the basics

just know the bone, mesh, and material stuff will be setup in blender

unity should only be used for animating those bones or meshs or blendshapes or whatever

unity is game engine and blender is 3d moddeling software

[crimson mural]

I'm not that stupid xD

Thanks for your help though 🍪

[gleaming depot]

Are reflections very expensive and are there any mobile shaders which support reflections or do I have to use the standard?
I noticed another world with reflections and I think some things in the world that I am working on definitely should have it if it is not too much a drop in performance.

[twin token]

Is anyone able to convert an avatar for me by any chance, I know a bit of how unity works, but not enough to do this on my own. The last person that "helped" kinda broke the package so I can't upload anything and deleted just about everything, so I have to start over with finding someone new to help (I paid for the avi package too) (pls @ or dm me)

[eternal onyx]

baked reflections should work fine. quest doesn't support box reflection probes, but regular reflection probes will work. just gotta flag your static objects as such, place probes and bake

[gleaming depot]

Thanks 😄 Ran a test on the world recently with a solid 72 so I will try some reflections in a bit. I want as much quality as I can get while maintaining framerate 😅

[eternal onyx]

there's a lot of ways you can tank framerate, but generally the way to avoid problems is to minimize the number of materials you're using (via atlasing / trim sheets / etc), absolutely minimize transparency, use only baked lighting / reflections, and don't use mesh colliders unless you really have to

[humble canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUJShalzWy8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IziIY674NAw

[gleaming depot]

I think maybe I can atlas a few more things. I was really surprised by transparency, this is my first time converting a world to quest. I only had one transparent object in the world, a priority particle additive shader to fake stage spotlight effect. It tanked the fps from 72 to low 40's! 😅

[eternal onyx]

transparent particles = overdraw everywhere

[humble canyon]

basically it's a cellphone for the processor so it doesn't have nearly as much power as a PC to handle transparency

[vast oasis]

Use blender + cats plugin

[vast oasis]

So that it's only one skin mesh renderer

If you are trying to make it a fallback then you'll need to decimate it

[elfin badge]

Does anyone know where i can find a quest friendly hologram armband

[sharp zinc]

be careful with decimation as your model may turn into a triangle soup with no geometry to bend and disform on

retopo is harder to do and takes longer but is immensely better than decimation

retopoflow is a good addon that you can add into Blender for manual retopo, youtube has tutorials about it

[sharp zinc]

Why couldn’t Android have sharp graphics instead of having a downgrade feel (it feels like a PS2 lol)

[humble canyon]

because it literally doesn't have as much processing power as a gaming PC

[sharp zinc]

To be honest I like quality than quantity

[humble canyon]

it would run at a unusable framerate if you did that

[sharp zinc]

So if I want better graphics, I should get a gaming PC right?

I’m so cheap lol 😝

[humble canyon]

yes that's basically your only option cuz vrchat cannot waive their magic wand and make it capable of rendering current-gen graphics on a mobile chipset

like the PC graphics card is literally bigger than the whole Quest motherboard

https://preview.redd.it/jg4kkiw6mbt51.jpg?auto=webp&s=a228f5f7f21733ac34c7d9d08bffbe29512968e4

https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/AdobeStock_301935235.jpeg?w=1024

[sharp zinc]

Let’s hope the next headset will be better then Quest with new hi definition graphics

[humble canyon]

a mobile chipset is never going to be as powerful as a gaming PC

[sharp zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/peanuts-charlie-brown-sad-frown-sigh-gif-17091780

So what does cellphone graphics do best at? I’m so confused about different technology

[humble canyon]

like you can definitely make nice-looking Quest Maps but you're not going to have a good time chasing photorealism on a processor mobile processor having rendering at a high resolution and frame rate

[sharp zinc]

Okay, but what does Quest be better at? Perhaps just other games?

I’m dumb lol

😆

I’m just not good at how these things work

[twilit kettle]

it has basically 0 cables, the resolution is one of the bests for the price range etc.

[sharp zinc]

0 cables? I guess the cheaper you the pay, the cheaper the graphics will get huh?

[humble canyon]

basically if you're using it without a gaming computer it is using the on-board cellphone processor to render so it has cellphone graphics. but if you plug it into a gaming PC it's using the gaming PC to render the graphics so it has PC quality graphics

[twilit kettle]

hmm yea but the vr doesn't need a cable in order to work

[twilit kettle]

ye, you can use the air link too

[humble canyon]

https://uploadvr.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Population-One-Graphics-Comparison.png

https://uploadvr.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Onward-Graphics-Comparison-1024x576.png

[twilit kettle]

i was talking about quest 2 btw, idk about quest 1

[humble canyon]

https://cdn.zephyrnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/04194815/vox-machinae-graphics-comparison-quest-2-vs-pc-vr-scaled.jpg

[forest crescent]

I dont normally use blender as I typically use vroid and go right to unity but I needed quest optimized and cats is being... weird

how did-

[sharp zinc]

It’s sad that Quest2 has downgraded graphics compared to a PC

But you get what you pay for

[twilit kettle]

I think that a Quest 2 with Air Link and a good PC is op imo

[humble canyon]

as I've mentioned you literally cannot cram a gaming PCs amount of Graphics Hardware into something the size of a granola bar

[sharp zinc]

Yeah I guess you’re right, I’m not complaining or anything

I’m just confused and a bit disappointed that’s all

[humble canyon]

similar reasons of literally it's smaller is also why the Nintendo switch can't push out as much Graphics as a PS4

[sharp zinc]

I just can’t get a gaming PC to play VRCHAT

[twilit kettle]

I meant a gaming PC in general, you can use it for work, study etc

[humble canyon]

but yeah basically there's nothing you can do about the graphics quality that's not coughing up like 800 bucks for a gaming PC

[sharp zinc]

The only thing I have right now is a IPad and I don’t think it won’t work for VRCHAT

[humble canyon]

vrchat does not work for an iPad and that would still be a mobile processor so it wouldn't help your graphics at all

and something that also doesn't help for vrchat is because all the content is user-generated so a lot of folks don't have the skills required to make graphics that would look nice but would be fast enough for the quest chipset like looking like World of Warcraft would be quite achievable on the quest

[sharp zinc]

I guess I just can’t keep up with it

So anyways, when I can’t see peoples avatars because it’s PC only I hide there avatars and I only see is floating robots

[humble canyon]

any particular reason you don't want to see their fallback avatars

[sharp zinc]

Yeah, because it’s hard to know what there avatars look like

I don’t like the robots as well when I hide there avatars

[twilit kettle]

but if you don't hide avatars you see standard avatars iirc

i mean on my quest 2 it works like this (gonna play on pcvr with Air Link soon)

[floral barn]

Anyone else experiencing unity problems like this?

And it saying no asset bundle found when switched to android build? 🤦‍♀️

Stuff be driving me batty

[eternal onyx]

you need to install the android libraries for unity

use unity hub to install the android module, then you'll be able to switch build targets

[azure marsh]

I asked this before but are they ever gonna add avatar sound for quest

[humble canyon]

nope because the quest CPU doesn't have enough processing power to handle that and Avatar voices

[oblique hinge]

Two M2's might challenge that.

[azure marsh]

I see

[humble canyon]

that would be a very expensive headset

[oblique hinge]

That is exactly the rumour.

[sharp zinc]

What’s M2?

[oblique hinge]

Apple's CPU for their laptops, and what looks like might be in their next phone.

[sharp zinc]

I wonder if Apple can make a VR headset

[oblique hinge]

They will, it’s in progress. They have done a lot of work in AR already.

[tacit beacon]

You can reassign the materials

[sharp zinc]

I'm really tired and I just wanna get this uploaded so I need some help with how to handle this error.

Idm the poor performance, I'm just... the component type warning is what's got me.

Nvm. Changed back to windows and then back to android and it fixed

[sharp zinc]

Yea it's an odd error, in unity console it comes up as Malformed Avatar

That would fix it, or closing and reopening the unity project

[humble canyon]

@lone flume don't post the same thing in every channel

[crimson mural]

This is a joke, right?

Is a quest That underpowered?

[edgy kraken]

yes, unlike graphics, handling sound when you can have like 20-40 players in the world, sound cannot be culled. Sound must be processed every frame to sound proper. That's why voice processing is so heavy and you get a performance boost simply from not hearing some people

graphics, you can skip frames

also for example, if you are not looking at a player, they can simply not be rendered, saving up graphics. But if a player plays a sound behind you, the sound must be processed no matter whether they are in your screen or not. That's why sound cannot be culled as easily as graphics

[crimson mural]

Everyday I wonder why they keep trying to make it work with this many restructions

restrictions*

[eternal onyx]

because the pcvr market is vanishingly small compared to quest

[oblique hinge]

Can quest users simply disable sound entirely for an optimisation?

[eternal onyx]

I'm not sure if there's a way to do that in a way that would actually disable audio processing.

[oblique hinge]

Ah, pity.

[sand mantle]

unity has a voice count system. there are "real voices" that are the sounds being played and can be heared. and then theres "virtual voices", which is audio that is still being processed, but is not played. you can set a limit to both of these. usually the max amount of real voices is lower than the max virtual voices. im not sure how vrchat handles the audio exactly but there are still present issues even on pc for audio. i dont dought the ability of quest handling audio but with how the cpu is handled on quest currently. its understandable. the best thing i think they could do to implement audio to quest avatars is to have a component dedicated to it on the sdk for them so that theres at least more control over it rather than letting people upload an avatar with 100 audio sources.

[oblique hinge]

I’d be happy with being able to just turn all the audio off.

[junior stratus]

Yeah but it’s not like every avatar in the given world will be using sound

[dreamy gorge]

so, I want to work on optimizing one of the avatars I bought, but I'm not 100% sure where to go after changing shaders and disabling dynamic bones

[eternal onyx]

the builder window should tell you if there's anything else you need to optimize. using a single lite shader and minimizing number of bones / skinned meshes / polycount is generally what you need

[dreamy gorge]

Yeah, I just...

Don't know how to reduce things like bone and poly count for the quest version lmfao

[eternal onyx]

you'd have to import the fbx into blender or Maya or whatever, maybe export skin weights, unbind the mesh from the skeleton, reduce the poly count with whatever tools you have (or manually), remove bones where you can get away with it, then bind the mesh back to the reduced skeleton

you could possibly import skin weights back to the modified mesh/skeleton but you'd likely have to repaint or adjust some weights to make up for the missing joints

it's not really a simple process

[radiant osprey]

When you make a game, you have to anticipate worst case. If one person can add sound to their avatar, everyone can and then your quest would die

Assuming not everyone will have sound is not a safe assumption

[junior stratus]

That's fair

[humble canyon]

which is also why the Avatar stats count any disabled objects in its totals so that it is assumed the worst case scenario of all of them are all at the same time

[sterile prism]

What did you change your shaders to? I just realized the ones i got with the model won't work with quest

[sharp zinc]

Depending on what the model looks like and if it has maps, matcap lit is usually your best bet for quest shading. You can do a lot with them if you find good ones

[sterile prism]

Well the file names are .mat

[dreamy gorge]

I changed mine to the vrchat mobile shaders

I'm also curious if anyone does optimization comitions

because I don't know how to use blender or maya whatsoever

[sterile prism]

It’s actually really easy

I did it myself yesterday

[sterile prism]

https://youtu.be/8MkgXcidxg4
I followed this video and was able to remove like 30,000 polygons with what they said in the video

[humble canyon]

cool

[toxic hollow]

pog

[tranquil lantern]

Ive been having an issue with trying to change a shader to mat cap lit
the problem is I cant find what its telling me to change whenever i select it it doesnt show what i needed to change

I'm still a very new avatar maker so its confusing at times!

^^'

[sharp zinc]

there are other meshs that have materials

and those materials have their own shader applied

just use the search all materials function in the Project tab for now and change the ones that need their shader changed

[real canyon]

Anyone have a solid answer on how many meshes are allowed on a quest avatar? Currently developing a public avatar that I wanna make mostly quest compatible and it’ll have multiple props and I can’t find an exact number

[sharp zinc]

vrchat docs online have charts of exactly what # of x thing makes what performant rating

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system

[real canyon]

Thank you

[sharp zinc]

remember that an avatar exceeding Very Poor limits will still be uploadable but please dont upload garbadge optimized content

Quest devices on default settings hide avatars of Poor and Very Poor automatically

they can change the setting to only hide Very Poor avatars and show Poor, but in now way can they show Very Poor avatars automatically

they will be forced to manually show your avatar just as any other Very Poor avatar if its Very Poor

thats not even considering the performance implications but the quest has been unexpectedly resilient

the problem seems to arise when mirrors are introduced but without them the quest can take a decent bit

MAKE IT at least

[real canyon]

Yeah I’ll keep that in mind
The quest version of the avatar I’m making will probably have to be pretty simplified compared to the pc version sadly but yeah I’m definitely hoping to keep everything well within the limits

[coarse sandal]

I ended up having to settle for Medium. I'm still not proficient enough to model myself, so making a retopo one for Quest Loona wasn't happening and I still think decimation lives up to it's name TOO much for 10,000. So, Medium it is. You'll always show, so long as you make it into other people's Safety Settings.

I'm debating on making one a bit more generous for private use, not a public avatar, but seeing it hit red still keeps me up at night...

[sharp zinc]

as it should

u are one of the few who feel the pain of unoptimzation

[radiant osprey]

Good or better gang

[coarse sandal]

Telling ya, I've seen 10,000 loona, she's borked beyond belief. Until I learn how to retopo its just not happening, as it's a port of some else's model.

I can get good on pc though, but quest is... Well, it's a task.

Someday I hope to do so.

[crimson mural]

18k polys, too much for quest or is that alright? recently made a public avatar and I didn't feel like destroying it completely with decimation, for now.

I know that 15k is the limit for medium, but is 18k too much for Quest 1 users? (It's perfectly fine on all other aspects)

[radiant osprey]

Honestly 10k is too much IMO. You can get some decent results with manual decimation to 15k at most

[crimson mural]

1 issue, I have no idea how to use blender, Complete decimation it is then

[humble canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=343&v=8MkgXcidxg4&feature=emb_title

[crimson mural]

No I meant as in, I can't use blender

I can't import the cherub to modify it lol

[radiant osprey]

They you either need to learn, or deal with Poor on Quest

[crimson mural]

That was the question...? "Is that an alright avatar on quest".

I can deal with poor, I was just making sure I'm not nuking quest 1 users

[radiant osprey]

Not really but if you can't do anything about it then you shouldn't even need questioning

[crimson mural]

...that seems a bit illogical but I'll take it

[radiant osprey]

It's not nearly as bad as many "quest compatible" avatars but it's not ideal

[crimson mural]

Yeah, mine only has 2 mesh renderers (body + face), So basically it's a pretty optimised avatar for what it is. Quest 2 can handle it just fine (tested publically) But I don't see quest 1 users super often

[radiant osprey]

2 Mesh renderers isn't super performant on quest. It is on PC, but not as much on Quest

[crimson mural]

Well, I'll wait until someone tells me my avatar lags them out, no need for action yet

Most of the time my avi is the least laggy (... those lobbies are filled with plenty "Quest compatible" Avatars). But I am working on a fallback so there's no need to explode yet xD

[radiant osprey]

Nobody is going to notice your avatar lagging them, since VRC just always lags with players. But I do believe your avatar is much better than a majority of quest ones

[crimson mural]

Definetly, even on pc with a "medium" rating for audiosources, Been called out for having a good rank without the audio, as it's uncommon af on pc

[sharp zinc]

i recommend keeping a folder with any material you use so you dont get into this situation

and if you alr do then go thru that folder and change the materials to matcap lit

[sharp zinc]

Do I need to switch over to the Android build in order to upload for quest or is it already ok since it says "Android support: YES"?

[coarse sandal]

Yes you do.

Swap build targets, then upload.

[crimson mural]

I hope this makes some people's days, got it down to a medium

Living on the edge, going from 38k -> 15k is a big jump

[sharp zinc]

Thank you!

[dim bluff]

I wish I had one of these to link for CATS Bake

[humble canyon]

yeah a video tutorial definitely be handy

[molten shard]

yo, are constrains still blocked on quest? I am making one that is heavily dependant in constrains and if it would be visible on quest would be a great plus

[humble canyon]

yeah you still can't use constraints

[molten shard]

life is sad

the level of optimization it would run on a nintendo DS. yet constraints are ilegal

thanks ya

[humble canyon]

https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1181-constrains-on-quest

I suppose you can help upvote this post

[sharp zinc]

upvoted

[gaunt summit]

is there any hope this will be available?

[humble canyon]

post says tracked internally so they're least keeping an eye on it

[granite pecan]

Can u pls add avatar moderating so that the vr won't just die

[sharp zinc]

It's called safety settings. Unless you mean something else

[icy hare]

Does anyone know how to delete the quest build without deleting the pc one? the sdk forced me to test after publishing for quest (greyed out for testing). So I published it and it has lousy performance. Want to publish in labs but cant til I can remove the quest option.

[sharp zinc]

As far as I know, there is no way. But it doesn't take much to republish

[solar storm]

someone help how do i fix this i have everything switched to mobile shaders but some of them wont let me switch the standard

[coarse sandal]

You'll have to unpack them from the fbx. Find the fbx file your avatar uses, navigate in the inspector to the "materials" tab and click "extract materials". It will pull them out of the file and allow you to edit them.

[solar storm]

tysm omg

[austere slate]

Try this,it helped me:
https://youtu.be/ViunVb98xOk

[sharp zinc]

Got it below 10K and did not lose an arm or a limb (or a shapekey)

(Model base and clothes is UltimateKissMa)

Maintaining the eyes was the most painful part, and the UV caused some issues, but I resolved them with either more paint, or more time.

[humble canyon]

nicely done

[sand mantle]

wooooo youve done it

[sharp zinc]

I do wanna see what the quest user sees while I am full body later tonight'

We'll see who I run into at the black cat tho

[humble canyon]

are you going to put Avatar Dynamics on the Avatar when that's out

[sharp zinc]

Yeah, that is why I am maintaining the hair and ear bones

Usually I just rid of them for performance

[sharp zinc]

Highlighted is the optimized Quest Variant, while the other is the PC one.

[sharp zinc]

This makes me happy, makes me smile a little, maybe even a little bit of a grin?

[humble canyon]

good job

awesome that it's fall back compatible as well

[sharp zinc]

Yeah, took a load of trail and error, but that mesh is at its lowest

3DS renderable levels of low even

[analog saffron]

quest moment

i wish i could optimize things that well

[sharp zinc]

can someone send a link for a working Texture atlas generator?

link's busted

[sharp zinc]

Just google my friend

[sharp zinc]

https://github.com/Grim-es/material-combiner-addon/releases/tag/2.1.2.2

There is an entire GitHub

[molten brook]

Ok so I commissioned someone to make me a avatar a long time ago and they uploaded it to my vr chat account on my oculus quest and they forgot to quest optimize it and now it’s just sitting in my “my avatars” tab not being used at all. I don’t have a computer and I can’t optimize it. The avatar creator doesn’t know to optimize a avatar to quest and I can’t tell them because they don’t understand English.

[sharp zinc]

Imma be real with you, without the base files, nobody can do anything about it.

And if this person is commissioning without the ability to understand how to quest optimize, then maybe they shouldn't be commissioning at all. Even if it is hard, it is possible.

And in a professional matter: anything you put out there should be the most optimized it can be.

[sand mantle]

they probably shouldve told you upfront that they couldnt do quest

[dawn frigate]

does somebody know how to optimize avatars in an easy way im trying to use d4rks optimization program but it doesnt work for some reason

[humble canyon]

a video tutorial that shows how to use vrchat cats to optimize to quest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mS9WlQMpfI

[dawn frigate]

thank you

[flat granite]

please look at dms..that the avi i had made and asked for on everything..bunbun is my name and i wanted to use it for videos i sent screenshots of proof of buying

[slow hearth]

wat

we're saying that it's hard to do anything if the guy doesn't give you the files

nothing about ownership

[sharp ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/baklang-aso-rikithewor-id-gif-23027312

[slow hearth]

our lord annd saviour matcap lit is here to stay

i've been converted by its magnanimous faux-celshaded light

[sharp zinc]

This is the way

[flint rune]

hey! is there a way to seperate quest and pc avatars, in terms of shaders and dynamic bones? i wish to make my avatar quest compatible although by doing so it seems to remove my dynamic bones for windows, too

[radiant osprey]

You upload it for windows, and then switch to Android and upload your quest version. They can be separate versions

[flint rune]

ahhh okay, i think i understand

so, am i making a new project file just for quest uploads?

so when i change shaders and remove bones it doesnt affect the windows one when i want to, say, change a texture

[radiant osprey]

New project or new scene. Either one works

[flint rune]

fantastic!! thank you so much

sorry if this seemed silly, im only like two or three days into avatar stuff 😅

[radiant osprey]

Everyone starts somewhere

It's the people that don't understand after they've been explained it 40 times that I have issues with

[flint rune]

😅 i try not to to be like that

[burnt spruce]

if you know left from right youre already above half of the people in this discord

[radiant osprey]

Actually true

[sullen moat]

So true

They are vrchat players after all

[gloomy heart]

when making a fallback avatar, can I upload Windows version first, and then Quest?

[sharp zinc]

Doesn't matter which order you upload it. So long as you check the fallback box on the pc end, you'll be all set

[gloomy heart]

great, thanks

[gloomy heart]

what about face expressions dependant on hand gestures?

if I remove face-hand gestures from my fallback, will they still work when I am using my main avatar?

[sharp zinc]

Um...I guess when people see the main, they'd see the facials, and they won't with the fallback. But if the avatar in question is the same, I see no reason to remove the gesture facials. All a fallback means is that an avatar is good enough to be used as a fallback, nothing should need to be changed if it's already that good

[sharp zinc]

I am curious, if I don't use poi shaders on an avatar and just use the basic one, will that dramatically improve the performance of the avatar? I am new to this.

[sand mantle]

depends but usually yes. but you cant use poi on quest avatars

[sharp zinc]

Oups! I didn't realize where I was.

[civic mountain]

Any help I try making the atlas for my new quest avatar and it breaks my textures

[sharp zinc]

It does that for some textures for some reason, I have the same problem with my Birbogen avatar. Parts of the tail are transluscent on pc, but transparent on quest. That might be comparable to the experience I had with that avatar. If you want to optimize it for quest, you should A. Use a simpler texture, or B. no texture at all and just a color. Honestly, I'm not too knowledgeable on the subject, so you may find better advice from an expert.

[gaunt summit]

Did you get this to work?

[civic mountain]

no

[minor comet]

@civic mountain quest shaders are completely incompatible with transparency and translucency

alpha gets rendered as #000000

[jolly cedar]

actually i have a question related to that. is there a way in blender (not unity!) to disable transparency and see it more like the quest shaders?

it would help me test a fallback avatar

[radiant osprey]

If you go to the area in Blender where the materials are, somewhere in each material is a Transparency setting that you can uncheck

[placid flax]

Sidequest, modify GPU and CPU, does it do anything expect increase performance

[sharp zinc]

I guess...and maybe the temperature of your headset, as well

[minor comet]

nope

thrill tested it and the results came back identical to stock

[placid flax]

What port (ex: 5555) does the quest 2 use? Like what does it listen out for? Trying to work woth beajurger because sidequest isn't working

[sharp zinc]

I don't understand why this is happening, i have all my shaders set to vrchat/toon lit.

This seems to break the unity project as well

[flat granite]

there is something in the avi that is standard

[sharp zinc]

Welp it broke the entire avatar

file wise

Like all the verts in blender are messed up now

[zealous shore]

anyone wanna play on quest?

[gaunt summit]

need help?

[sharp zinc]

i've managed to fix it, luckly had a backup save that wasn't too far back in the avatar making process.

so stuff is fixed aha

[sharp zinc]

POV: you thought vrchat actually cared about their quest users

What.

Vrchat does

Tf you mean

[static jolt]

How do I optimize an avatar for vrchat that I only have access to the unity package

[sharp zinc]

Pins

Check the pins

[static jolt]

I checked it and read through it, it didn't help due to the fact that I didn't have access to the model itself. Only just the unity package, I would use the CATS plugin on unity but I can't extract the model from unity (there's no current way that I've found that actually works). I'm out of options.

[sharp zinc]

Im sorry, but i havent ever made any avis before

[sand mantle]

ist thou no fbx given when ported?

[static jolt]

What

I didn't have a fbx file alongside the unity package

[sand mantle]

my suggesoth: import the unity pack into the unity of said usen case. then one must go to the package manager and to what to find an “fbx exporter”, this said exporter shall allow thy to export whatever model youd like to use from whince into blender

in theory

[static jolt]

I've tried using a fbx exporter, didn't work.

CATS plugin and blender didn't support ASCII, even when I put it as a binary fbx file it still acts the same.

I'll send a link to the model that I was trying to get working for quest

[sand mantle]

what verse of blender obtained?

ok

[static jolt]

https://trixxedheart.tumblr.com/post/189192445733/your-hollow-knight-x-oneshot-3d-model-in-vrchat

It's the Hollowknight x Oneshot post, there should be a download link in there.