quest-development

[grave rose]

and good avatars

[fair tinsel]

okay that's strange

[shell wave]

anyone know what shaders are acceptable on quest? trying to make an avatar quest compatible but the vr toon lit makes it look like crap lol

[lean sundial]

hey im having iusses installing the andoid player

[tough egret]

only the ones under VRChat>Mobile. For avatars is mostly Toon Lit and Standard Lite

[shell wave]

i figured it out

[twin bolt]

Is there anyway to test out quest worlds im making without using a quest headset? I’m stuck with a clunky quest 1 that disconnects from the wifi constantly and crashes Vrchat whenever it can

[gusty ember]

Upload Quest version to PC is best you can do atm without a Quest. In a few months you could test some parts of it using the mobile android version of VRChat

Also if your world is crashing your Quest 1 when you are alone in a world then you are using a lot of VRAM/RAM.

[fair tinsel]

an unfortunately uploading to PC like that cannot answer questions like is this Shader broken on Quest or is there Z fighting

[twin bolt]

Yeah that was my main concern. Some meshes are pure black when my headset successfully loads the world even though they’re normal looking in Unity. It’s not a lightning problem as far as I’m aware, so I have zero clue what it could be

[fair tinsel]

what shaders are you using for the black objects

[gusty ember]

Some shaders just don't work on Quest.

[twin bolt]

Mobile standard

[gusty ember]

VRChat/Mobile/ shaders?

[twin bolt]

Yes

[fair tinsel]

does your objects have vertex colors as a vrchat mobile shaders show them?

[gusty ember]

Vertex color should appear in editor

[twin bolt]

I’ll check that as soon as I can

[sweet zephyr]

Do some of the avatar shaders on quest not support real-time lights?

I'm noticing many avatars aren't lit. And I'm not sure if it's something I could fix in my world.

[shy talon]

realtime lighting is expensive

especially on quest

[shy talon]

so the answer is most likely yes

use baked lighting with light probes to help light avatars/dynamic objects in your world

[sweet zephyr]

I wanted lights that the player could move to light themselves.

But I did a little test and it looks like toon lit and matcap lit don't do per-vertex realtime light for point lights like the other mobile shaders.

So I think I'm scrapping those lights.

[shy talon]

if you can you could probably write a vertex lit realtime mobile lit shader I suppose

but beyond that unless if you are going to suck up to the expense of per pixel (or per vertex would be slightly cheaper) realtime lights there isn't too much you can do on quest unfortunately

[thorny sand]

Uhm
Sorta?

Depends on the quality ig

[shy talon]

it is expensive

[thorny sand]

On population one theres alot of realtime lighting

And the game runs at 70 fps

Which is way better then 20 fps normal vrc lul

[shy talon]

depends on the setup, usually at most I'd say on quest you can get away natively with mabye 1 or 2 realtime lights

if they are shadow casting you will destroy your fps

[thorny sand]

Kek

[shy talon]

now

if they are per vertex, instead of per pixel, things are a little cheaper

[thorny sand]

Real-time lighting VRC on Quest doesnt exist mate

That gets auto-disabled i believe

[shy talon]

but regardless especially for quest realtime lighting is expensive

inb4 newer standalone headsets become more powerful

then it won't be

[thorny sand]

Pain lul

[sweet zephyr]

I was testing on quest when I first asked, so it was working on some avatars. But yeah, not using realtime lights anymore

[thorny sand]

Yeah xd

[remote pasture]

Why are the sounds disabled on quest

Are we gonna get it back?

[fair tinsel]

Avatar sounds was never supposed to exist on Quest people are only doing it using modded sdks

[thorny sand]

Yea like the download limit going higher then 10 MB on quest aswell xd

[fervent siren]

VRChat's Standard Lite shader ignores assigned reflection probes and will only ever get reflections from the skybox. Is this intended behaviour?

[fair tinsel]

yeah the Standard Lite shader ignores reflection probes

[fervent siren]

But is it intended behaviour? I don't imagine that pulling reflections from one cubemap (baked probe) is any more expensive than pulling them from another cubemap (skybox).

I can use other shaders that do support this on Quest for worlds, but Quest compatible avatars that want reflections have to use the standard lite shader I think.

[fair tinsel]

yeah basically you're out of luck for Quest avatars as far as having the environment reflect in avatars

[fervent siren]

You can do stupid things like create a cubemap of the environment, set that as the skybox, and then create a fake skybox "inside" that projected onto the inside surface of a sphere.

But it's all just silly.

[outer raptor]

it can be. objects that share the same material but use different reflection probes will require separate draw calls. it might be an optimization that the VRC devs intended for the lite shader

either way for worlds you're not required to use the lite shader, you can always use standard

for avatars if you want shiny surfaces you might be better off with matcaps. not much you can do about that unfortunately

[fervent siren]

I don't have a problem achieving what I want to see for world objects in worlds, and I don't create avatars at all. I just don't like it when I see avatars wandering around inside a house lit by "warm" lights that are glowing blue because that's the color of the skybox. There are ways to mitigate this but it would be really nice to have it fixed in the avatar shader.

[ebon steppe]

I mean, obvious solution IMO would be forcibly requiring this to be set since it only allows one reflection probe to ever be in use per mesh renderer rather than blending probes

[molten raptor]

Argh... I know there are issues but I don't understand my solution options. I'm not (at this moment) exactly sure what causes it but... I the symptom is that Quest users aren't seeing some transparent items. Most notably the nameplates of players and a menu tablet that is in the room. I believe it started when I added a water shader. I'm going to turn that off in order to test the theory. I read about render queues, etc. but I don't think guessing is the way to go. Assuming I see the transparent menu tablet when I turn off the water shader what settings should that water shader have in order to not interfere with other things?

[wraith jewel]

are the VRChat's official UI only blocked/go completely invisible when it is ahead or behind the water in view?

[molten raptor]

The items are no where near the water just in the same world. I've just turned off the water shader and I'm going to confirm things display correctly.

[wraith jewel]

it might be worth submitting it as a ticket to vrchat as a security exploit since it can be used to trap people in worlds

[molten raptor]

I believe it is already a known issue. People must have worked around it or there would be no Quest worlds with realistic water. Hard to trap a user when there is a an on/off switch on the headset 🙂

[molten raptor]

alrighty then... turned off the shader and things look correct. Turned the shader back on and I cannot see my transparent menu tablet. So I will guess it is a setting related to layers and queues. Would be nice not having to guess.

[wraith jewel]

Git smarter ez

Can I have that water shader so I can spread it to malicious world creators to use

[thorny sand]

Bruh

[gusty ember]

The most common source of crashing is from running out of RAM (ignoring issues caused by the latest update), they aren't going to increase that limit and make it even worse.

[shy talon]

mix that with the fact that people suck when it comes to optimizing their stuff

[tender hinge]

u can already do a lot with 10mb if ur not using 4k or even 2k textures

more than enough

u even recognize urself that thats literally one-fifth of an old quest WORLD size

i blame the asset makers if they dont know how to decimate n shit

like how much more shit could u possibly want that cost so much space

[ebon steppe]

something something texture compression on quest is cracked something something 4k textures take only 1mb something something oh yeah, 10mb is plenty of room when the shaders only use 4 textures per mat slot worst case scenario

[eager scaffold]

i just entered vrc, got sent to home world twice for running out of ram and lagged really bad, vrc should really fix it

[thorny sand]

Idk why you have to complain about it here

Pretty sure you can report issues from the site somewhere

[late zodiac]

As Rawr said saying stuff in here ain’t gonna do much you gotta actually report the issue

[thorny sand]

Im confused, what's the issue about depth?
I don't see anything there cursed..

[terse raptor]

Look at the wall behind me. My hand is showing through my chest.

[thorny sand]

Oh

Wtf

How the hell did i not notice that

Thats so cursed kekw

[terse raptor]

Would love to know what I could do as a solution.

Still trying different settings via trial and error, and thus far this issue has persisted.

[terse raptor]

I'm away from home for a few hours, but from reading forums on Unity in general, it seems I need to set my rendering eyes to none since I'm rendering to a texture.

[terse raptor]

Tried doing some more googling and I cannot seem to find anyone with this same issue where depth is seemingly drawn at random.

[worthy cedar]

How do quest builds work? I know I want to upload for quest but not compromise world quality for pc users. Do the changes I make for android build only appear if loading in on quest? Also if so how much can i change? Can i like remove objects or settings from my in world settings UI in a quest build?

[terse raptor]

Had some help in another server, but the issue was my Render Texture rather than the camera. I was thinking that depth buffer was to display VR depth rather than Render depth. Learned something new today and solved the issue thanks to @sand venture!

[gusty ember]

Quest and PC versions can be literally completely different, but of course that would be confusing to players.

All that needs to be the same is the blueprintID.

[terse raptor]

Important thing to consider is that how your hierarchy is organized needs to be similar for syncing to work between both PC and Quest.

I would heavily suggest looking up Easy Quest Switch to help with substitutes for PC things that don't work on Quest.

[gusty ember]

Network IDs means you don't have to keep the hierarchy the same anymore.

[terse raptor]

OwO

That's awesome! I'll need to look into that.

We can network instantiated objects now?!

😄

[tender aspen]

quest upload, and the PC upload are entirely seperate. so yes one can look better or even completely different than the other, but keep what Draken Stark said in mind if youre having interactable objects they need to have the same hierarchy or at least similar enough to work properly

[tight crow]

hey i need some help

preferably in a vc

[fleet flume]

heads up a quest friend of mine can no longer use toggles on their avatars suddenly and i was wondering if this is a glitch or new bug in the updates?

[late zodiac]

Can’t use toggles? Like can’t open the toggle menu?

[thorny sand]

The expression wheel itself or the toggles themselves?

@fleet flume

[glossy flicker]

I have issues to use a video player in my VRC world. Want to watch a live stream (that I provide from my own cloud streaming server)
However I am struggling:

• which stream-protocol / codecs are required or recommended
• might is NOT work because of SSL issues with my streaming server on the internet?

It works fine for VRC on PC, I guess its because PC takes all possible codecs/stream..
Any recommendations..

[pure zenith]

did they update something so I can no longer make an avatar others can sit on? has anyone else had this issue?

I restarted unity and it is letting me publish it now, weird glitch

[vale mountain]

Hey, ive been trying to use VRChat/Mobile/Particles for an hour now and not sure why its not working. Its showing in unity but in game it dosnt even exist. It seems to just be a problem with the shaders but idk what. any advice?

[thorny sand]

Dont use particle shader
Ez
I dont believe they even work on quest xd

The shader i mean

[vale mountain]

i thought it could be used for translucency on quest but im like 5 mins away from throwing myself out a window

[thorny sand]

Transparency*

Also theres no shader that allows that on quest (the mobile ones anyways)

[vale mountain]

wwhhaaaa but ive seen it on quest before... some witch craft happenin

[thorny sand]

Nah

Modded SDK maybe

(Against VRChat ToS)

[loud spade]

It works. Multiply will make it look darker while additive will make it look brighter.

You need to add a mesh into the Renderer of your particle component.

Iirc however, the material will not work for quest.(need to check again, I forgot)

What you can do is, add a Mesh in the Renderer part, then on Emission inside the particle component, choose the colours you want.

Personally Multiply is better than Additive. It is more visible.

Alpha blend doesn't seem to work tho.

tl;dr: Meshed particles with emission works. However, the material does not(maybe).

If you put a material in there, or if there is no mesh, it'll show semi-opaque cubes in place of the supposed particles.

You can take advantage of this error if your purpose is to create cubes. Emission colour still works as intended.

[loud spade]

but yes, real transparent shaders are illegal. Don't mod the Sdk unless you are prepared to get reported and banned

[dry meadow]

I have a question, How would one do blood splashes like in blackout

I tried messing around with the projector component but i think im messing it up or it just doesn't work anymore

[split field]

Hello, i am trying to find some replacement foliage for the quest version of my world, but i have only been able to find tree models that utilize shaders for the leaves with transparency. What do other people do for foliage in their quest worlds, as i am hitting a brick wall with this conversion of mine. (moved question over to here instead)

[dry meadow]

if your leaves are just a texture you can use one of the particle shaders for transparency

[vapid lotus]

How different is Quest (Android) compared to Windows ARM?

And what would happen if VRChat would be able to also support Windows arm64?
would this lower the cliff between PC Players VS Quest Players?
Currently as I know, Windows x64 is the only supported (PC) plattform, right?

[gusty ember]

It wouldn't change anythhing, mobile hardware literally can't handle things like transparancy, and some shader, as well as PC hardware.

The only thing that close the gap is better hardware, but PC hardware will be moving away as quick, or quicker, so...

[vapid lotus]

and Windows ARM?
Because Unity supports it in 2023+...
Would it also not support transparency?

[gusty ember]

ARM GPUs, to become as power efficient as they are, were built intentionally lacking the parts that allow PC GPUs to do transparancy and etc well.

Nothing will change until ARM GPUs are re-architected to support stuff like that.

Quest isn't being limiited by software, it is limited by its hardware.

[vapid lotus]

do you think that quest 3 will support GPU rendered transparency?

[gusty ember]

Highly unlikely. And doubt we will see this change anytime soon.

And VRChat have already stated that they won't change anything performance related for the Quest 3, doing that would make it impossible for Quest 2 users to continue playing (because of even more crashing).

[vapid lotus]

But quest 1 support is cancelt from vrchat, right?

[gusty ember]

Meta stopped supporting the Quest 1 and that means various Quest APIs and SDKs won't be updated for the Quest 1, making it so VRChat is forced to drop support.

[vapid lotus]

thats good.

[fair tinsel]

all the Avatar stats are already including the quest 2 power in mind so the quest one deprecation isn't going to change anything

[fair tinsel]

wouldn't help because that would still be using the same mobile gpus

[vapid lotus]

what would be if one day, meta would also drop support for quest 2 and we would have a quest 3 and quest 4... as supported headsets by meta...

[fair tinsel]

that's going to be a long time considering they still plan to sell the quest 2 alongside the quest 3

[vapid lotus]

Could this influence the quest avatar posibilities, like adding a transparent shader or allowing more poligons and materials or increase the upload limit?

[fair tinsel]

basically don't expect transparency to ever come to Quest avatars

[vapid lotus]

I mean in this case, would it not be interesting to know if a Quest 3 would be capable of rendering transparency?

[fair tinsel]

technically the quest can run transparency they just don't do it at a acceptable frame rate to be practical

[vapid lotus]

Oh, so its like how games was not be able to run "realtime" ray tracing, until the RTX 2000+ was realesed?
Before it was already possible but not in realtime, right?

[vapid lotus]

But also a comming topic is, that Windows ARM64 was realesed now for Unity 2023+
And I just was interested in, how this could effect the interaction if VRChat would ever update their game and SDK to such a high Unity version?....

[fair tinsel]

Windows arm is of no use to VR chat as no VR headset is using that

and it would be stuck with the same limitations as Android as far as rendering

[vapid lotus]

everyone is hyping this plattform and even I did used it and found out, that Windows 11 arm for example can run arm64 and also x64 applications.
And until VR Devices supports it is just a question of time, especially windows it's own Mixed Reality, or if you use a Steam Headset like the Index or the comming Valve Deckard, that uses build-in drivers from steam.

[fair tinsel]

that would still be running the mobile class gpu so stuff like transparency giving it a hard time wouldn't change

[vapid lotus]

even for high end gaming PC's with ARM CPU? and Windows 11 ARM?

[fair tinsel]

from what I can tell you cannot attach a gaming graphics card to an arm processor

Windows ARM is basically just for tablets

[vapid lotus]

I mean, I tested windows 11 ARM on my raspberry pi 3 and did succesfully run a Unity Windows arm64 game on it.

[vapid lotus]

was microsoft not also developing notebooks and PCs?

with Windows ARM.

[fair tinsel]

a netbook would be in the same ballpark as the tablet as far as low-powered portable device

[vapid lotus]

https://youtu.be/ZREP2KoiWYA?t=18

(that video is nearly 2 years old)

I mean Unity added support for it in Unity 2023 Version while they sadly still not support Linux ARM...
The reason for this was because its expensive and they made it with windows arm because it will profit in the future.

Why should they add support for windows arm in a new Unity version, if it would not be becooming a big deal later and profitable?

[fair tinsel]

still wouldn't be helpful for mobile VR at all even if Unity is hedging their Bets with support for that

as you can not put a high-end graphics card in a mobile headset

[vapid lotus]

whats with that quest link and virtual desktop stuff?

And also, whats with the PC Windows ARM itself if it uses a PC-Headset?

like a mixed reality or a valve index?

[fair tinsel]

then at this point this stuff is kind of Irrelevant for the quest Channel as you're just talking about PC VR

[vapid lotus]

but the PC VR on Windows ARM would have better interaction possibilitys, if they have the same architecture than x64 PC + Quest?

or am I wrong?

[fair tinsel]

a stand-alone mobile VR headset is never going to be capable of rendering the same stuff as a gaming PC consuming like 600 watts of power even if they were both on arm

& most people are not going to be swapping their gaming PCs to arm in a hurry

[vapid lotus]

atleast it is x64 compatible.

even if the performance could be better of there was a arm64 version of your application.

[fair tinsel]

I doubt that would be enough to save vrchat performance problems

[vapid lotus]

why do I hear then now so much rumors that VRChat will be realesed to google play soon?

is that fake?

[fair tinsel]

vrchat is getting released for Android phones not Windows for arm

[vapid lotus]

I think the performance on android phones will be way lower than a large PC, pluged into your power outlet and taking as much power as its need, while a android phone only have its battery and all the hardware that can fit in it's small case.

Microsoft is having "dev kits" now on their ARM PC's but they are real PC's just with ARM architecture....

[fair tinsel]

what would be the benefit your imagining in this world where arm gaming PCs are popular?

[vapid lotus]

Besides your battery-life or energy bill, it would also have the positive side-effects that your android phone can be better connected to your PC and ARM processors are a lot faster than Intel processors because they are designed to work on simple tasks that don't require the same clock speeds as their Intel counterparts.

[vapid lotus]

"“We expect to see an inflection point in Windows on Snapdragon PCs in 2024,” he said during a call with analysts, adding that this is due to a “significant number of design wins to date” when it comes to the use of Snapdragon on Windows-based PCs.

Unlike Apple, which is using its own Arm-based processors to power its Macbook computers, Arm chips have yet to be as widely adopted by the Windows vendors, which typically deploy silicon running on Intel’s x86 architecture, but this is starting to change. "

https://techmonitor.ai/technology/silicon/qualcomm-arm-windows-pc

[fair tinsel]

okay so what would be the benefits to vrchat?

[vapid lotus]

PC-VR support.
Also, I wonder if taking the performance power of your ARM PC would be more efficent with oculus link if your PC have the same architecture like your quest?

but besides that VRChat sadly doesen't still support Linux, even if it supports some VR Headsets...
Maybe it could be time then to support Windows ARM atleast.

[gusty ember]

It would not be more efficient

[fair tinsel]

that is literally going to make no difference whatsoever as the quest link is just sending video from your computer to your quest and taking inputs from the quest

[gusty ember]

It does support Linux, the Steam Deck is officially supported.
Getting it to work on other distros might require extra work since they all differ.

[vapid lotus]

I know you can use Proton to get the windows .exe of VRChat running. but would it not work more performant and more compatible if VRChat would ship directly a depot with Linux .x86_64 application for a true compatible game?

especially if you try to use VR, its getting strange if you emulating a windows execution backend to run the .exe application.

I know that sadly OpenXR is not supporting Linux, but as far as I know, VRChat is not using that.

[gusty ember]

Both Windows and Linux run x86 architectures.
While it is true that there is some performance loss with Proton (although not always and with older games they can run better with it), it is generally marginal enough that Valve considers a game that works with Proton as having Linux "support".

The biggest issue with running VRChat on Linux is that for a while (I think it has been fixed now) video players did not work.

[vapid lotus]

so wheres the issue?
does some assets break if they change their target plattform to linux?

[gusty ember]

You sure about that?
Can't find anything that says it doesn't support Linux and the OpenXR github has build instructions for Linux (which would indicate they do support OpenXR).
Is it SteamVR you are thinking about?

[gusty ember]

Probably just annoying to support.
When you would only gain a single digit percent of performance, is it really worth the extra man power when Proton works?

[vapid lotus]

I was working on a own unity project with OpenXR support and I always got the error:

so I had to disable OpenXR and was forces to drag and drop except: "OpenVRUnityXRPackage" in a desktop folder until I was finished with exporting my build for linux or mac. and then, I only had a desktop-only version.
Windows x64 is right now the only plattform.

[gusty ember]

That is a Unity thing and them being lazy, not much the VRChat devs can do about that.
Possible that it works through Proton though.

Almost for sure that whenever Valve releases the Deckard, SteamVR on Linux will support OpenXR.

Assuming it doesn't already work.

[vapid lotus]

The thing is, VRChat is not even using OpenXR because they have to rebuild their own game from scratch to add support for that. They started building VRChat, there was OpenXR not even existing.

[gusty ember]

Which is why I think they were going to do that with the upgrade to Unity 2021 that they are doing.

[vapid lotus]

Windows ARM64 is supported on Unity version 2023+

and right now, they realesed a few days ago 2022 as LTS

[gusty ember]

VRChat is unlikely to start supporting 2023.
While they did say that they might jump over 2021, that isn't a sure thing, especially as other social VR platform ran into problems doing 2022.
And supporting something as untested as Unity 2023 would be risky and probably really tedious.

[vapid lotus]

I'm not talking about yet!
Unity 2023 is not even stable. its still alpha and beta. They realesed 2022 as "LTS" (Long time support) few days.

[gusty ember]

Still do not get why you want VRChat to support arm64 on windows. (many years before that is relevant)

[fair tinsel]

especially since that's going to have like no changes or positive benefits to Quest VR chat

[vapid lotus]

Its power efficent, compatible with other arm-devices and even faster because they are not designed that heavily like CISC-based processors like x86.

Its just a matter of time, there are even yet some PC's out there and windows is planning their own PC's in 2024

[fair tinsel]

okay how does this power efficiency stuff have anything to do with VR chat

[vapid lotus]

I want to say that its an architecture and OS, that is getting really big in the next years.
You can even play it right now because Windows 11 ARM have a compatiblity layer for x86/x64 applications.

And if Unity even started to add build support for "windows arm64", why not also thinking about VRChat?

[gusty ember]

Because VRChat can't, unless their Unity version supports it.

[vapid lotus]

so, thats why this all here is just theoreticly and we talk about (posiblities) that might can come to the future...

[fair tinsel]

most of the windows arm devices are going to be too low end to even run VR chat decently

Googling the best Windows ARM device has specifications that's way too low in to even try VR chat

[vapid lotus]

where did you get that from, that ARM = slow?

if ARM-hardware is not forced to be cheap and fits into a tiny case, it also can be way more powerfull.

[fair tinsel]

all the windows arm devices are laptops or tablets you cannot put a beefy graphics card in either of those

[vapid lotus]

hybrid architecture?
Eficency cores + Performance cores

[fair tinsel]

I mean you literally cannot fit them

[vapid lotus]

they started already with alderlake.

[gusty ember]

ARM is quick in certain workloads.
The less instructions has its downsides.

[vapid lotus]

Apple is also based on ARM, but does apple have slow PC's?

[gusty ember]

I feel for the engineers that would need to make firmware for that.

[vapid lotus]

Windows 11 have that firmware build-in.
its called the: "Thread-Director"

[gusty ember]

Apple made their own chips, it is basically their own architecture, but based on ARM.

[fair tinsel]

folks aren't going to exactly be doing much gaming on a Mac

[vapid lotus]

their phones, their PC's they have all the same architectures and they are ARM. but are they slow?

• I don't think so.
  They show us what is even capable of doing with ARM, while everyone else is sadly not that smart as apple, but that doesen't mean that the next gneration of comming Windows ARM PC's in 2024 are all potatos.

[gusty ember]

The reason why you compile for each separately is because if you ran a x86 program (using converted x86 assemby instructions) it would run terribly on ARM.
That is the annoying bit and why the engineers will have a terrible time.

You would need to install both the x86 and ARM version of programs and the programs would only be able to run on one of the core types, allowing programs to use both cores would be inefficient and hell to program.

[vapid lotus]

windows is publishing their updates free-to-access, thats how I was even able to download the latest update and install them on my raspberry pi.

[fair tinsel]

how does that address the engineering concerns in the slightest

[gusty ember]

Which is an issue when it is an issue.
By that point Microsoft could have a competitive Rosetta layer, like Apple, where performance isn't terrible.
VRChat will have to decide if they will just rely on that, or support a Windows ARM version.

[vapid lotus]

I just want to say, I made a bit my own experience with it, to see what the future will may deliver us.
and hey, if maybe windows ARM will be the next big deal, I was asking myself, how huge would be the changse that VRChat would add support for it one day, if they would be ever on Unity version 2023+...

not today, not tomorrow, but maybe in a few year?....

[fair tinsel]

I don't see most of the PC Gamer crowd swapping to arm processors

so maybe in like 10 years but not like the next five

[ebon steppe]

do any of you actually think I want ~80% of my steam library to go kaput because most of my games don't even support 64 bit let alone ARM? not happening until ARM CPUs can reliably emulate x86 code fast enough for older games to be playable.
oh hey there I go proving your point

[jagged steeple]

is there way to play youtube lives using converter like nextnex

[jagged steeple]

also how to make reflections

[shy talon]

reflections on quest? ooh boy

your options are very limited

you can still use reflection probes if I recall, but if you want better more accurate reflections there is an old school way of doing it

it does involve transparency though, which is not really a good thing on quest unfortunately

[subtle cloak]

Is there any alternative to rotation constraints for quest use

Quest

PC

[grand blade]

I usually parent the top skirt bones to the leg bones

For quest

Otherwise no

[wraith jewel]

@main cairn

boop Do you have quest

[thorny sand]

p a i n

[grand blade]

Yeah

[lean cloud]

does anyone know why unity doesnt have all the bones my avatar has in blender?

[vague iris]

Idk where else to put this, but this is to do with airlink. I believe this is the best place to get help for this kind of thing.

Anyone know how to fix this error: visuals glitch as if they were pinched like an "X"

What is shown in the video shows the e having a hard time describing while I us glitch does not appear when I use the q as a standalone. I have already tried:

-Restarting the headset

• Factory resetting the headset
• Uninstalling the Oculus software
• Unpairing and pairing the headset again
• Turning down graphics settings
• Restarting my router

Has anyone else encountered this error? I'd love to know if anyone finds a solution. Thank you for your time. less

(If there is a better place to post this, I don't mind reposting it over there.)

[thorny sand]

How is this the best place for your issue??
This channel is for development stuff xwx (for quest not pc)
I suggest going to #user-support-old

[river breach]

Does anyone have experience using Bakery with Unity Terrain? No matter what mode I use, Unity's Terrain is really dark and doesn't seem to really grab the lighting from Sky or Direct Bakery components. Have tried full lighting, shadowmask, subtraction, etc and all the results are pretty much the same. Left is PC build, right is Quest version. Both using Subtractive Dominant Direction

[dim oak]

Heyo how do I get video players on Quest to work for my world, rn its just blank for them

[river breach]

You need direct video links ending in .mp4, Quest does not support the video parser VRC uses with unity, so stuff like YouTube wont work

[jagged steeple]

how i prevent crashes that happen mostly when someone change videos

[gusty ember]

You need to use a resolver.
The most publically known one is https://nextnex.com/

You just input the URL there and it will give you the link you put into the video player, it should generally work, some times it does not, depending on what video and where the people trying to watch that video are.

[dusk oyster]

So while I was away from my PC on vacation, the spawn for my world started having issues. It wasnt happening when I left, but now some people are unable to walk around in the world. They're just stuck floating above the ground and nothing works to fix it. Im not sure if it's a Quest/PC thing, because it affects some people and not others. I tried updating my SDK and it didnt work. I didnt update my world while I was gone so it's a vrchat thing, is there anything I can do?

[tender aspen]

does anyone know the name of that package that tells you whats taking up space in your quest avatar builds?

[lapis wigeon]

Does anyone know any good examples of worlds with nice Trees that are quest compatible? I'm trying to find out for a world I'm making.

[lapis wigeon]

the trees and grass look really nice in the PC version. I dont have experience with bakery, i just use the default lightmapper. but I know quest cant use cutout textures on the materials. and it looks like the leaves and grass brighten up the scene a lot in the PC version.

[thorny sand]

This is not VRChat related-

[warm light]

Ah sorry

[thorny sand]

And if its not sending you the code it seems like its a meta issue on their end

Nothing you can do other then trying again

[warm light]

Ugh i waited an entire hour, and i sent them a message this morning

[restive finch]

Hey, so I'm having an issue uploading the android version of a model

cant click on publishing when selecting the quest optimised version

It shouldnt be down to the android sdk, I have that installed
especially since it let me change build target to android

mmm nvm, managed to fix it by hiding the other avi

strange

[thorny sand]

Not really strange
It cant be uploaded on quest so sdk disabled button xd

[stiff pewter]

Is there a layer that effects other people in lighting? I want a light that only effects yours and other peoples avi's

[still grove]

What

[wraith jewel]

I hope it's not too late, there are 3 layers you can use:

• Player : Layer representing all other players except you
• PlayerLocal : It's your avatar without your head, when you look down and see your arms and body
• MirrorReflection : This will only be rendered in mirrors reflections

[hard kayak]

Can I pay someone to help me make my word quest compatible I’ll also include you on the world credit looking to collab lol

[stoic canyon]

I just got a quest pro and i cant figure out how to use vive trackers quest pro with index controllers while having the face tracking to work please someone help

Since virtual desktop does not support face tracking through the quest

I have to use air link but then i dont get the trackers connected

And vrc wont pick uo the face tracking i did stand alone with air link and no face tracking and im using avatars with the face tracking

And i cant find anything online to help

[snow wren]

ALVR has a VRCFaceTracking module

[ebon steppe]

for face tracking you need to use VRCfacetracking (an OSC app), since it's not officially supported.

[tender aspen]

It's annoying as hell. It disables the build and publish button for every avatar just because one avatar has a problem or isn't compatible.

"Like yes thank you I know that avatar over there isn't compatible but that's not the one I'm trying to select here is it?"

[latent lion]

There's a fix coming out for the sdk at some point that'll fix this. They previewed it in a devlog a couple weeks back.

[wraith jewel]

does anyone know how to fix vrchat so it doesn’t show 3 dots when loading in and then crashing?

[gaunt spire]

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[polar ermine]

Hey all, happy weekend, hope it's a lovely one. 🌈

TL; DR - how to make things look underwater?

I was wondering if anyone had suggestions/methods for worlds to look underwater? Best case scenario, when the camera/eyesight of the player goes before the surface of the water, their vision changes, "volumetric" darker blue, possibly vision slightly blurred and distorted. I can think of ways to do it with post processing, but I need it to work on quest. Almost anything I can find online either uses non-VR chat scripts, or a fancy render pipeline. I know it's a big ask for Quest compatibility, but in my mind, there's always workarounds. Any ideas are welcome please and thank you 💦💧🌊

Also, it is possible to turn on/off fog with the same method?

[teal python]

huh?

[teal python]

aight

[wraith jewel]

I can think about a quad that you attach to the head's player with a transparent shader for the darker blue. I dont think you can blur/distort without a grabpass shader which won't work on quest

[viscid bridge]

Does anyone know how to make particles collide with your avatars? Or at least a part of it? I've seen it on a couple of avatars and it would be awesome to learn how to do it myself

[polar ermine]

fantastic idea!! thank you for your response ❤️

[sour elm]

When you click on your particles there’s a collider option

Scroll down to where it says colliders and adjust how it functions.

[sour elm]

Doesn’t deleting the avatar fix that issue anyway, or disabling it so it does not pop up?

You can always undo your delete

[tender aspen]

Yes but when you have multiple avatars in the scene, and thats not even the one you selected anyway it shouldn't matter. I shouldn't have to delete or disable everything that's not on the avatar I'm trying to publish

[tender aspen]

This person says there will be a fix for it soon. Good

[sour elm]

Idk, i just have everything in different scene

not the same file

[tender aspen]

That's fine. It's just annoying if you have PC version and quest version next to eachother

[viscid bridge]

Thank you but in order for the colliders to collide with something it needs a collider and quest avis don't really have a collider?

[sour elm]

it has only colliders to ur avatar not actually ones

its meant for particles and phybones

ill show you what it is in a moment

[sour elm]

have you ever messed with physbone colliders

that sort of system is on particles as well

you can select what transform youd like

[sour elm]

For better system to collid with everything you would use world

change it to everything or adjust it as whatever you'd like

also take note this will make your avatar go to poor

[limpid totem]

i wanna make a crossplatform world for my friend group, how would i go about it?

i've made many avatars before, i'm great at taht

but never a world

[snow wren]

have you uploaded quest avatars before

it's the same process basically of just switching build target and uploading on the same world id

[limpid totem]

i've made cross-platform avatars, PC avatars, and Quest avatars

[limpid totem]

but how would i go about it. is there a VRC World descripter? i can't find it when i search.

how do i add mirrors and markers? how do i do the climb thing some worlds have

[snow wren]

I'd use the VRCWorld prefab that's included with the world sdk for the world descriptor part

[limpid totem]

where

and why does this channel have slowmode

that sucks

[late zodiac]

All the channels do

[limpid totem]

that's inconvenient

[late zodiac]

Nope it’s just to stop clutter

And spams

[limpid totem]

i mean i get for a general channel but why a help channel where talking needs to be done often

also yeah how do i find the world descriptor

[late zodiac]

Yeah but if too many people talk at once it’s hell

[limpid totem]

yeah i guess

but then add tings like help2 or general2

[snow wren]

Packages\VRChat SDK - Worlds\Samples\UdonExampleScene\Prefabs

VRCWorld is inside that folder, just drag that in the scene and it'll act as a descriptor

[limpid totem]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[limpid totem]

thx

[molten raptor]

weird alert I met a friend with a Quest 1 in VRChat yesterday. He says his home world worked fine, the world we met in worked fine and then we entered my world. Immediately his right eye was "totally black" and he could only see from the left eye. I have an option to hide most assets in my world to show only the skybox and when I switched that on he said both eyes displayed correctly. When I switched it off it the right eye froze rather than display black. I think it is something in my world, could I have a setting wrong?

[dense osprey]

shouldnt there be less restrictions for avatars, worlds, etc. because of v.55?

[gusty ember]

No?

Quest is struggling regardless and biggest limiter is either hardware architecture or the small amount of RAM.

[snow wren]

Using shaders that don't have Android in mind will do that

[molten raptor]

Thanks, let me confirm a few things

[dense osprey]

Do you think it will be better on quest 3?

[snow wren]

the ram upgrade for the Q3 is rumored only 1.2gb more

7.2gb is probably still not going to give enough headroom as people keep trying to slam avatars made for PC into Quest ones with VRCQuestTools and Crunch Compression

[gusty ember]

Yeah, Quest 3 is not going to change much, especially since Tupper has stated that they won't up any limits (which means nothing short-medium term at least).
That 1.2GB more is just going to go towards making the game more stable.

[teal python]

For the people who get the Quest 3, it will most likely improve their performance significantly, but it’s not going to increase the avatar and world restrictions. We want the Quest 3 to be an improvement in performance, not the same performance with two more phys bone components allowed

[jovial mural]

is there some trick to getting quest logs to work? i followed the instructions on this page https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/9521522810899-Where-do-I-find-my-output-logs- but no files show up in the Logs directory. a colleague had the same problem turns out it's Documents/Logs, not in root as the page says

[fair tinsel]

Wow that's a pathetically small amount of extra ram

[snow wren]

it's basically why they're keeping the specs until around launch

[teal python]

I mean that is a sad increase in ram for a "new generation" of headset, but to make the quest version of vrchat stable and run decently, thats just maybe enough

or not but idk, guess we will find out

[misty pumice]

I'd be impressed if they managed to get it to 7GB without making some things worse.

[sour elm]

Apple be like

Same phone each year

[hazy pier]

This is quest development . . .

[oak nimbus]

Wth 😭

[wraith jewel]

How the fuck you do that you angry pomeranian

[stable bough]

Gotta go through all the work of manual 3d eyebrows and lashes because quest doesn't allow cutout... 😑

[fair tinsel]

you could have just painted on those eyebrows?

[teal python]

thats what I was thinking

[stable bough]

Like 2D...?

https://tenor.com/bRC21.gif

[fair tinsel]

most people are not going to be staring close enough at your eyebrows to notice the difference

[upbeat bough]

After I crashed yesterday my microphone stopped working. The microphone symbol wouldn’t light up and my friends couldn’t hear me, I tried powering off my headset and powering it on again but it didn’t work

[sour elm]

Go to settings, voice, change input and or output systems

In vrchat

[upbeat bough]

I tried and nothing worked. I think it might be the new update because this never happened before and my controllers started glitching as well but I honestly don’t know

[sour elm]

That’s just stick drift most likely

And meta updates

You might of broken your headset if you changing your mic output and input not working and even hard resetting your headset

I don’t know what to tell you other then making a support ticket or searching online

[rough prawn]

i keep having a weird thing happening where everyone’s avatar get big then my screen goes black then everything goes back to normal BUT i cant hear the world or any people i cant hear ANYTHING but my mic works and at that point i just rejoin the world.

[kind niche]

how to exceed quest poly count with just your eyebrows

seriously that avwill crash a quest

[teal python]

I don’t think it will crash anyone, unless any of those are their own material lmao

[arctic swan]

Also it depends the size of the model in the game

[zealous fog]

Can someone in the vrchat team add FSR, to both quest and pc versions

[fair tinsel]

basically everybody's custom shaders prevents that from being implemented correctly

[native kraken]

google said something about quest 2 finger tracking maybe coming to pc, this text I read was maybe a year ago, is it happening? tried it on quest just now, kinda impossible to move or do anything, wondering if the pc version would work better, if it comes ever :d ?

[fair tinsel]

basically meta isn't allowing hand tracking data to transfer to PC and it would have the same control problems

[sharp forge]

Does anyone have knowledge of the vrchat network protocol? I'm trying to analyze the traffic coming into the quest, but I've checked that UDP is coming in very high. Does anyone know what information UDP exchanges?

[gusty ember]

It uses Photon for networking (all I know about it).

[gusty ember]

FSR 2.0, DLSS and other actually good upscaling solutions can't be realistically added for the shader reasons Rainwolf mention.
For FSR 1.0 they wanted to implement it correctly, which literally isn't possible in BiRP, so it doesn't seem to be happening.

So they just recommend lowering the resolution manually, which honestly can look better than if you gave the final image to FSR, especially if there is post processing.

[sharp forge]

Thanks to you, I knew where to start.

[upbeat bough]

Almost every time I crash my microphone stops working and I have to reinstall vr chat because of the new update, please patch it up

Now my mic isn’t working anymore even after reinstalling it 3 times

[nocturne sparrow]

i think people on quest should be able to change their info on the app not the website for quest

[late zodiac]

Wdym by info?

You can change ur user, password, and bio on the website

[loud spade]

this happened to my and my friends when on quest-standalone version too.
Was freaking out thinking I broke my earphones or something.

I have noticed that it happens when I try to play something on a video player inside a world, when using quest standalone vrc

[rough prawn]

That makes alot of sense

The first time it happened i was in the movie world with a friend

the other times i was watching something on the videoplayer

Im glad someone else finally has the same problem. (I don’t wish it upon anyone) but i thought it was just me😭

[loud spade]

here's hoping they will stop screwing over quest users with every update

[gusty ember]

With them now deciding to support both Quest and Android, one would certainly hope the standalone version of VRChat would get more stable.

[safe ginkgo]

after i switch my build target to android any edits i make on the android target ver in unity wont affect the pc version right?

[gusty ember]

What you upload with the android build target does not affect the pc version.

[safe ginkgo]

thnx

[nocturne sparrow]

I’m talking about not on the website like staying on your headset and no having to sign into your account on your phone or something.

[late zodiac]

What?

[nocturne sparrow]

Are u dumb

What I’m trying to say is, I want to be able to change my email, bio, password ON MY HEADSET and not on the website

[late zodiac]

Why?

[late zodiac]

You worded it horribly the first time. Do not call me dumb you were making no sense.

And you can change the bio on ur headset

It’s not like you are gonna be changing ur user, email, or password all the time

You don’t need to be able to do it on ur headset? Plus it’s much easier on phone/computer

[nocturne sparrow]

No

[late zodiac]

No what?

[late zodiac]

What are you saying no to 💀 I mentioned multiple things

[snow wren]

Quest has it's own browser btw

managing accounts through the game is gonna be rare to find for almost any game

[late zodiac]

@nocturne sparrow ^^

[chrome moth]

Quest baked fog?

My normal pc fog doesn't work on quest for some reason.

Also... post processing? Is that not a thing for quest?

[gusty ember]

Some shaders do not work on Quest and post processing is not a thing on Quest.

[fair tinsel]

and fog is not a post-processing effect

[chrome moth]

Two separate things.
I meant custom volumetric fog not unitys basic fog

Well why doesn't the quest allow post processing? Android can do it. Quest is android.

[alpine dome]

It's extremely performance heavy and the quest is already at it's limit

[chrome moth]

It isn't anything special for Android itself. So like is it to protect against people using stuff like pp AO which actually kills the performance

Maybe something with it being vr?

[fair tinsel]

the headsets manufacturers developer documentation says don't use post-processing

https://developer.oculus.com/documentation/unity/po-art-direction/

[rare gulch]

fun lil thing thats happing

anyone have any ideas i cant really fix or do anything when i cant even reupload lmao

the whole panle its self just kinda break's down

[empty sorrel]

avatar uses usaported sharder anyone know how to fix

[sinful mist]

hey does anyone know how i can make my world quest compatible so my freinds can play with me?

[gusty ember]

You switch the build target to android (there is a button in the SDK for that, below the title and above where errors or warnings can appear.) and while you should definitely remove unnecessary meshes and shaders in the world (and take a look post-upload since some shaders straight up do not work) you could in theory just upload immediately after swapping.

[sinful mist]

Alr

If I make a change and trip load will pc and quest both change

*reupload

[gusty ember]

No, Quest and PC are completely separate content wise. You need to update each separately.

To help understand, your Quest world could be entirely different from the PC world. PC users could see Quest users walk through walls and vice versa because their version is different from the other platforms version.

[sinful mist]

Ah ok thanks

[steep heart]

I don't know if this is the right channel but does anyone know how to fix my problem with VR chat and probably with my Oculus when I try to join my friend in a world it sends me back to my home world because of low memory I don't know how to fix can anyone help me?

[sinful mist]

Clear your cache (local and avatar) in the settings (specifically the debug menu)

[steep heart]

How do I do that? Do I have to go on a computer or something?

[sinful mist]

So Yknow where your settings are (like avatar cloning) scroll to the bottom and (I think) under tracking and Ik there will be debug click on that and there will be two buttons below the cache size click them then restart VRC

[steep heart]

Okay

[sinful mist]

Did it work?

[steep heart]

Sort of I guess when I log into vrc it still says it after I log into my home world and also still happens when I join that one world in vrc is like half life

[hallow tundra]

.

[late zodiac]

Ah yes everyone will totally fall for this

[dreamy isle]

Will vrc quest ever let you film by camera?

[teal python]

That would be expensive for the quest to pull off, but one of the main reasons is prolly that even PC doesn’t actually have that feature built in

[snow wren]

PC doesn't have it as maintaining an ingame recording software would just be really eh

it's gonna have to be really good compared to OBS for people to use it

[teal python]

And the quest is lucky if it’s running VRChat over 40 fps, and even then half of those frames may be fake with how quests render, so taking a large chunk of the CPU to capture and encode would lower your frame rate even further making for a slideshow of a recording

[snow wren]

yeah it would require another camera and somehow have VRChat be able to record that to your headset's gallery

another camera on Quest would just be horrid

[fierce ingot]

I have this problem daily and clearing the cache doesnt work for me at least

[steep heart]

Hm

[late zodiac]

Cuz there’s literally not much of a fix

[late zodiac]

^^^

Quest 2 doesn’t have enough RAM a way to help is to not show very poor Avis and you use more optimized worlds but sometimes that doesn’t even help

[fierce ingot]

Yeah at least it's not that big of a problem I mean it's not like it's stuck in a loop

[steep heart]

👍🏻

[late zodiac]

I’m just saying quest 2 just doesn’t have enough ram 🤷‍♀️

[late zodiac]

. But this can help

[fierce ingot]

Ok ty

[shut salmon]

The fun part is, the "memory problem" we're having on quest wasn't a thing a year ago, idk what have they done to the quest ver of the game to run this bad actually

[sweet tundra]

(Yes it was, it just didn’t do it as gracefully)

[shut salmon]

I'm a PCVR player but when i upload a quest avatar i have to open the game standalone to test if everything is fine but sometimes the "low memory" loop never ends and i can't even join the optimized box ...

[shut salmon]

i never have that problem before untill last month

[sweet tundra]

People have been complaining about quest crashing issues for years, including resulting screen corruptions until a restart

Those were due to lack of memory, the memory issues aren’t new, just the warning that you’re out is

[shut salmon]

Maybe less memory leaks can fix the problem idk 🤔 i'm not a programmer but sometimes on pc my VRC eats 30 GB of ram before crashing much haha funny moments

[sweet tundra]

Well the quest has 6GB, 2 is already taken by the OS

So crashing is bound to be more prevalent, especially considering how infrequently people actually consider the quest limits

[shut salmon]

i think if you don't enable everyone's avatar your game can run in 4gb

at least on pcvr i have checked it and it goes from 700MB to 2~3gb

[sweet tundra]

People don’t do that though
they usually complain about crashes the most

[shut salmon]

i know but we are talking about a bigger problem,

where did those 4 gb of ram goes when i open the 1's optimized box alone?

[sweet tundra]

Could be a multitude of things

Could be your avatar, lingering memory that’s not yet cleaned by the garbage collector from where you were before, that’s really all I can thing of

[shut salmon]

As i said, i'm not a programmer, i know it's difficult but they should take care about memory usage on quest, a big chunk of their player base are questies and soon androidies (?

[sweet tundra]

There’s not much the team can really do while the game has such open UGC

I know they will be limiting texture sizes in the next Unity update (to prevent 16k textures instead of the current engine limit of 8)

[shut salmon]

let's hope the jump to the 2022 ver of unity helps

[sweet tundra]

And they have added texture memory usage limits to performance ranks

[shut salmon]

I always keeps my avatar in the greens on that one specially

[sweet tundra]

And the android version has forced very poor off (with no option to turn it on)

So the teams is definitely trying, there are just limits to how far they can work without encroaching on user content

[uneven spear]

hard limit on texture memory should help

[tranquil silo]

can you have follower on quest ?

like the amongus one ?

[scenic sable]

Just out of curiosity, is VRChat gonna bridge the finger gestures with the finger tracking for Quest 2? I know we have Virtual Desktop that allows Quest users to use gestures without controllers, but they didn't add finger tracking for gestures without Virtual Desktop.

[gusty ember]

It isn't on VRChat to support, they can't do anything until Meta allows PC games to use the hand tracking and currently they aren't, with no indication that they are even thinking about allowing it, so I would say it is best to assume PC VRC will never get Quest hand tracking support.

[snow wren]

fun fact, Oculus Link has hand tracking support but only on the Unity Editor for some god forsaken reason (https://developer.oculus.com/documentation/unity/unity-handtracking/)

[scenic sable]

Wait, I asked why the Quest platform on it's own doesn't allow gestures without controllers, not the other way around. 0.0

[gusty ember]

For many months now you've been able to use hand tracking on Quest standalone

[timber totem]

for a little while i was using it on pcve thro virtual desktop. idk why that stopped working

aslo does any on here know anything about osc for the quest

im trying to get it to talk to a pc application

[gusty ember]

If you mean you can't click anymore then Virtual Desktop swapped to OpenXR, which has lacking hand tracking support, so they dropped that feature.
Personally I was relived, since it was so easy to accidentally click on stuff.

But I do miss it making gestures, still, it is personally more useful for me now.

[wheat coral]

Ok so like when is quest sound coming back to quest ? I feel like that was the most best thing that happened to quest. And was curious on why you removed it. It was amazing to finally hear things that pc users can only hear. Like an boop contact on the nose making an squeaky sound. It was amazing

[fair tinsel]

Avatar sounds are not coming back ever to the quest as they were never officially implemented featured just people using terms of service breaking modded sdks and a bug that allowed them to be uploaded it all and some of the reason they would never be officially implemented is the CPU is not powerful enough to handle all of this sound effects

[wheat coral]

Ah ok

[arctic swan]

The only possible way is if they create a "sound dynamics" like the physbones but I think they will not develop this feature right now

[scenic sable]

According to reddit and ask.vrchat.com, it is possible that VRChat may have a more sophisticated way of getting Quest avatars to have audio again. Yes, third party noninvasive software was used to get it to work in the first place, but like hand tracking, their's room for improvement and development in our every day enjoyment of VRChat. Which is also why we love it so much.

[sour elm]

Honestly 1 sound should be allowed , and if not at-least make it so I can have it local. Be able to play goofy stuff to myself would be nice.

[astral pier]

Hey everyone! Quick question for you. I'm teaching basic VR development at university and from this year want to start teaching VRChat dev in Unity for Quest to my students. I use PC but all my students use Mac. I know that VCC is only available on windows, but is it possible to dev without VCC on Mac? Pretty sure it's possible but just wanted to check with y'all to confirm.

[fallen portal]

Not to my knowledge, they don't release SDK anymore outside of VCC, so not really

If your limited only to mac I would check if those old SDK builds still work to upload on live, won't have some features but that might be the exchange you may have to make

(So if your college offers PC's for development, may be the option for mac users, either that or having someone extract the SDK (Which is probably not ideal for a university class))

Wish you the best of luck though!

[fallen portal]

I will warn you though, uploading to VRC requires getting basic ingame ranks, so if your teaching a class, getting everyone to "upload/SDK usage rank" may be difficult (Hours of playtime at least), so perhaps getting some accounts for students may be a pre-requisite you may need to account for

[teal python]

You would prolly have to put a limit on the file length and quality as well, prolly force mono audio, but it could maybe be done then. Granted that could also double the audio performance cost on the CPU because every avi could potentially have one plus the person talking

Tho maybe one would be fine, normally I instantly say no to audio on quest but that’s also cause the discussion is generally “audio should be just like pc on quest”

[gusty ember]

Glitchy is actually incorrect about there not being ways on Mac, there are multiple ways to get it outside of the VCC.

There is VPM, which is a command line tool https://vcc.docs.vrchat.com/vpm/cli#mac-and-linux-support (technically is VCC, but in command line form, but VPM works on Linux and Mac, VCC does not.)

But even then, you can actually still manually download a up to date SDK when logged into the website, it is just under the button for downloading the creator companion in the collapsed "Manual SDK Installation" tab.

[astral pier]

@fallen portal @gusty ember Thanks for the info! I really appreciate it. I was able to set up the SDK manually yesterday and found a repo for ClientSim as well, so we should be good for setting up on Mac

https://github.com/vrchat-community/ClientSim/releases/tag/1.2.7

A couple of follow up questions:

About how long does it take to get to "upload/SDK usage rank"? In other words, how many hours of play before students can upload to VRC?

Finally, has anyone here used the unofficial VCC for Mac by AranoYuki1?

https://github.com/AranoYuki1/VCC-for-mac

[fallen portal]

As for how long it takes to get rank, not any finite number I’m aware of

It’s variable but it’s at least 5-10 hours so not feasible for students

I would probably see if it’s possible to share or pre-create accounts for students or contact VRC to see if they will give an exception

[sweet tundra]

The only guaranteed way to immediately jump to it is to purchase VRC+

[astral pier]

Awesome. Thanks for the info. And great idea about reaching out to VRC directly. What I might do then is have students develop and test locally, then upload the worlds though my account (if they can't reach status). I'll be creating a sort of hub anyway from which people can visit the student worlds.

[jade talon]

Is it possible to make a questies screen shake like a pc player's without shaders?

[uneven spear]

no, and you should generally avoid those kind of shaders, they can be very disruptive

[wraith jewel]

day 1 of asking: please remove the new update that sends us back to our home whenever anything lags us out a tiny bit. I was fine with the lag, now I crash anytime I join a world with more than 6 people.

[snow wren]

It’s either that or the game crashes. The Quest 2 only has 4gb of available ram that games can use, best thing you can do is not load too many very poorly rated avatar.

[fluid estuary]

The game glitches so much where worlds cannot load on quest. “There is no memory” but I clear data and only have 16mb in use. Can this be fixed? It’s been an issue since June 2023.

[fair tinsel]

memory is referring to Ram consumption and no not really as far as doing anything about it

[fluid estuary]

:((

[fair tinsel]

as vrchat cannot do anything about increased Ram consumption potentially caused by the quest OS

[fluid estuary]

Vrchat is the only game on my headset I’m just annoyed at the constant issue

[uneven spear]

blame the users uploading the extremely poorly optimized content, not the devs

[teal python]

And if there are devs to blame, it is mostly the devs in charge of updating the QuestOS at Meta

[wraith jewel]

Bullshit. I've had this quest since it came out, been playing VRchat ever since then, I only crashed around 5-10 times in that entire period. It was only ever from crasher avatars. I never had a single issue otherwise
Now, when I join a world with more than like 10 people in it, EVEN WITHOUT LOADING THEIR AVATARS, I get sent back home.

I can't even play games like Zombie tag anymore because the world itself is apparently too much for the quest to handle now.

[snow wren]

Are you wearing a very poor rated avatar yourself?

[wraith jewel]

Nope. I always wear an optimized avatar.

I used to be able to hop into Zombie Tag with like 10+ people, all avatars shown, running great
Now I can't even open an invite only instance by myself.

[teal python]

It’s a wonderful combination of slightly the VRChat team’s fault and then meta bloating the QuestOS. The quest has had a lotta new updates and features over time, and even if they aren’t on, they don’t come free (partly cause they are kinda bad at making operating systems, granted it is like their first one ever) which leads to the operating system taking more memory then it used to that used to be free for VRChat to use

[scenic sable]

I hope vrc adds another Shield function. One that protects me from an attacker.

[late zodiac]

Wdym an “attacker”

[scenic sable]

I'd want a function that allows only my friends to see my avatars or I can select individually who I want to see my avatar. People get hateful when I use anything but an eboy.

I don't want to have to block someone for upsetting me just because I use an Umbreon or a cute avatar.

I was about to get vote kicked just for using a knight in Blackout.

[late zodiac]

Then block them

[late zodiac]

Well no other way around it really

[scenic sable]

It was 4 people

[late zodiac]

Either you block them or ignore them

Ok?

[scenic sable]

I wish I didn't have to use just a fallback in public instances.

[late zodiac]

Whenever someone doesn’t like the Avis I wear I either mute, block or just ignore

Just don’t listen to them it’s their opinion so just block them

[scenic sable]

T-T

[late zodiac]

Well idk what else to tell ya

[snow wren]

preventing people from seeing your avatar will turn the entire game into fallback chat

[fair tinsel]

and yeah you should probably just block and ignore those people who are mean because you're not wearing a e-boy

[ebon steppe]

wow they really like their ugly ass models huh.

[scenic sable]

I KNOW!? RIGHT!? E-boys and e-girls aren't the only models.

[late zodiac]

Some people aren’t a fan of certain models. As the person said above seems like they don’t like their models everyone has their opinion

But if you don’t wanna get hated on for it just block them it isn’t that hard

[low canyon]

Im interested to develop in VR chat, how can i get started? is there an SDK for unity?

[scenic sable]

If you do have a rank (New User or higher), consider downloading the Creator Companion available on the website. It has everything you need. :3

[low canyon]

thank you!

[scenic sable]

I recommend you get a gaming computer

As a side note, I do appreciate vrc adding a feature that allows players to use a thumbnail when uploading stuff and I don't have to play in the Game Window to upload.

[sweet tundra]

Although for lighter content creation (like avatars), weaker devices will work fine

[scenic sable]

Let's just hope they don't fry their computer with pcvr. X(

[sweet tundra]

Just talking about uploading content here

Without the whole “VRChat” part Unity runs well enough on lower end specs

[scenic sable]

Indeed

[low canyon]

thanks. yup i have one

[dreamy isle]

Is vrc gonna get an update for more memory on quest avatars?

[fair tinsel]

the quest has a fixed amount of ram so there's not really anything VRC can do about that

[ionic socket]

Anyone know how to dev good with saccflight

[tired atlas]

Hey guys I am conducting a little survey on backend tech that game devs and studios are using. Can you take out 2 mins of time to fill this survey and do pass it to your other friends who are in game dev https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdUGE5FemlJrKX7ahOpvhYt0DSOEk63iNMwFDxvM-F_tBoc-Q/viewform?usp=sf_link

[upbeat tundra]

If anyone has advice on how to properly put music in a Quest world much is appreciated

[worn ingot]

Why is it that when I turn my head, terrain in the distance gets cut off? It's like there's some sort of draw distance render issue. How do I fix that?

[tender aspen]

So let me get this straight

Quest shaders don't allow you turn off backface culling

So I have to duplicate my mesh and flip the normals

Doesn't that result in the exact same performance impact? Or technically worse because it's a higher poly count now?
Can someone help me find the logic in this decision?

[fair tinsel]

That would be less triangles rendered over all because you're not having to render the back sides of faces that are completely hidden

[tender aspen]

I mean if I have to duplicate the mesh and flip the normals isn't that just going to be worse performance than if I just turned off backface culling

I guess since yeah I'd skipped over hidden ones, I'd only be duplicating parts that need flipping...

Still feels like it should be optional,

[fair tinsel]

You wouldn't duplicate every single face on the mesh

[tender aspen]

No I wouldn't
But I think it should still be an optional setting.
It's not like quest is especially performant anyway, for example it literally doesn't even have a poly upload limit or material limit anymore

Having to bring a model back into blender to duplicate and flip some normals for quest is such a pain if the model is already set up with a ton of stuff in unity because that will most likely break everything from re-importing the model and exporting it again if you don't have the blend file.
Would be nice to just have a quick fix to be able to turn off back face culling just to make so many quest models look better without 10x the hassle

[teal python]

if you keep the FBX names exactly the same, you can delete the FBX file in unity, inport the new one with the same name and it will slot itself back into the scene and everything

you need to redo any import settings you made on the FBX file in unity like lil edits to the humanoid rig for example but thats it

phys bones, avatar components, all the stuff is good unless you changed the bone names or something

which you can also get away with if you know what you are doing with the bone hierarchy

[gusty ember]

Don't even need to delete, I have had luck just overwriting the fbx from Blender when exporting.

[uneven spear]

^

that's what I always do. I have the unity project folder my models are in bookmarked in the blender export window. when I want to update my model, I click that folder, select my export preset, and click Export. when it's done, I click on Unity, it re-imports the model, and the model updates in-place

[tender aspen]

thats only if you have kept the .blend file which usually i do, but thats not always the case.

[uneven spear]

you can just grab the FBX from the unity project and toss it into a new blender project

[teal python]

and the name of the exported FBX, which is what matters, isn’t dependent on the blend file

[tender aspen]

Oh God do NOT do that

Unless you plan on remaking most of the unity stuff again.

If you edit it and overwrite it like that it will absolutely mess up the model

[uneven spear]

excuse me? no, it does not. I've been doing this for 3 years.

[tender aspen]

Do not touch the rig or the weight paint and then overwrite it, it will absolutely break

[uneven spear]

if it's messing up your model, you did something wrong along the way

[tender aspen]

Been doing it for 5

[uneven spear]

the hell? are you sure you're qualified to be giving advice about this?

[tender aspen]

Are you?

[uneven spear]

definitely

[tender aspen]

Cool story

[wraith jewel]

These Canadians. Only good to us for their significant exports of nonfuel minerals

[tender aspen]

You can edit shapekeys, rename or add meshes, add materials,
But if you change something about the humanoid bones, like their position or weight paint, it will absolutely get corrupted in unity.
Importing the model into blender also reorders the material slots, which breaks unity animations for materials, and reorders the shapekeys which can be a pain for vrchats lip sync and auto deletes shapekeys that have no vertex changes. So now you've just lost the .sil viseme already which will cause issues in vrchat.
I don't need to go on

If you must reimport it into blender, export it as a new fbx. Do not overwrite

[wraith jewel]

Ok but seriously there is interaction between unity with model files and stuff so taking advantage of the time saving feature is only natural

Whatever you are doing in your process isn't quite the same as Sacred apparently

[tender aspen]

🤷‍♀️

It's fine if you have the blend file as long as you don't touch the humanoid stuff

I'm not trying to like personally attack you, I'm just trying to warn people

[uneven spear]

it will only get "corrupted" if you didn't export with the same export settings, a common mistake. I will say that if you're unsure of what settings were previously used to export the model, notably Apply Scalings, you should export as a new FBX the first time, use Pumpkin's to copy all components from the old model, and subsequently override that new model with the same export settings.

to be able to have the model properly update in the scene, you also never want to unpack the FBX in the scene. doing so breaks the prefab link. things like meshes would still update, but any pose or hierarchy changes would not, and that could cause problems. otherwise, everything should update just fine. the worst thing that you'll likely have to do if you change bone positions, in which case it's a simple matter of going to the rig config, doing Reset pose, and doing Reset pose in the scene with Pumkin's (often not even needed).

not knowing how to properly update models in unity will waste a lot of time. I've been working on an avatar today and have updated the model at least a dozen time.

[wraith jewel]

What if I'm a chad object file user

[uneven spear]

I pride myself in efficiency, and I try to optimize my blender/substance -> unity workflow as much as I can.

[tender aspen]

Reimporting still re aranges everything and deletes shapekeys with no movement

So id say to new people be cautious

[uneven spear]

no, it does not. if you're using CATS's "Fix model", perhaps, but that should never be used outside of MMD models anyways

[tender aspen]

I don't

Oh well

[uneven spear]

I'm not here to argue with you, we don't need to continue this. my point is simply that updating things in-place in unity will save you a lot of time. there's just a few things you need to keep in mind, and you won't run into issues.

[tender aspen]

And I'm just trying to warn people these are common issues that happen.
Always make a backup of your fbx if you plan to overwrite it. And always save the blend file to reduce hassle.

[wraith jewel]

What do you consume on a daily basis to get visual input for your substance painfer

[uneven spear]

sure, both of those are good advice.

[tender aspen]

👍

[uneven spear]

if it's your first time overriding the model, definitely make a backup. if you've made yourself a blender export preset, and it's not the first time you've exported the model, overriding without a backup should be fine.

in terms of backup, it's probably a good idea to have a backup of everything. I personally use Backblaze's personal backup, it's like 7$ a month and my entire PC could go up in flames (that exact thing happened to a friend of mine), and I'd be able to recover everything.

[cosmic sapphire]

I’m having a problem in which my Quest version won’t load in. It downloads and people can even see the avatar icon + it’s stats, but my avatar stays as the blue diamond loading avatar in T-pose

Link to more info:
#1156637549402525806 message

[dense osprey]

Question. Will vrchat quest to pcvr limitations be increased for quest 3 specifically?

I mean it looks a lot better based on what we’ve seen.

[snow wren]

the price difference warrants that there's probably not gonna be many Quest 3 users compared to Quest 2

[fair tinsel]

they are not changing the limits at all as most folks will still be using the Quest 2

[gusty ember]

As Rainwolf says, they are of course not going to make the game uplayable for everyone that doesn't want to cough up those 500 dollars.
And VRChat wants the game to gain a bit of stability on Quest.

[teal python]

even if magically everyone moved to quest 3, I think they still wouldn't increase any of the limits much. Quest 2 is unstable with the current metrics, we wanna use Quest 3 as a buffer, not increase the limits instantly for the same experience on quest 3 plus a couple extra phys bones

[torn copper]

The quest 2 barely runs vrc

The more lightly ideal vrc would be on quest 3

[hasty gyro]

because people don't optimize

I've had 70fps moments before

[hasty gyro]

I've seen some impressive 20k poly avatars before I really don't think optimizing is hard when you do it while modeling
and not after exporting

smaller poly count and then scale up textures to compensate a little

[hasty gyro]

ah

Q2 can handle some impressive maps tbf

just not certain lighting iirc

[magic bear]

This probably has been asked before:
Is vrchat going to allow more instructions/transparencies on the quest 3 with vrchat? or will the resolution just be upped?

would be cool to see the roadmap for a quest 3 build of vrc.. as world devs and shader coders can prep for maybe being able to do more on the more powerful hardware... would be nice rather then just having more resolution to bridge the gap more between a pcvr user is my hopes.

[sweet tundra]

Probably not because any performance would be going to make sure you can maybe get 45 fps once in a while

[magic bear]

thats a shame if true.. i mean i can get 45+ fps with quest 2.. i think most of this is avatar related rather then world.. so I hope they expand the reach for worlds at least.

[sweet tundra]

was kinda joking but the quest 2 is already running it incredibly thin for performance already

And Meta does have performance requirements for quest store games

It’s honestly a miracle the game’s on there as is

And the quest 2 will still be supported for quite some time longer, and one platform split for content already took quite some time to resolve

[magic bear]

i think they benchmark the starting world.. for social platforms there must be an alternate rule

[sweet tundra]

I think it’s more for VRChat there’s an alternate rule because the game is really popular

[sweet tundra]

But along with this, the quest 3 will still have similar rendering pitfalls to the current quest because they’re both mobile architecture, so too much transparency will still kill it

[fair tinsel]

they're not changing Avatar limits at all for the quest 3 and transparency rendering would still give the Quest 3 a hard time

[hexed creek]

I'm really not sure why, but background music just doesn't work on Quest in my world anymore

it works perfectly fine in the client emulator but not on quest

I also had some issues like "Connection Timed Out" and "Cannot join instance" when loading VRChat with the world set as my home world, but they didn't show up when loading the world normally, i really have no clue what's going on

shorter audios like sound effects work perfectly fine

[magic bear]

no changes despite the hardware improvements?

thats not fun

[fair tinsel]

most people would still be using the Quest 2 and they would want the extra Hardware in the quest 3 to go to a higher frame rate not immediately get spent on more triangles on avatars

[hexed creek]

couldn't they just add a separate graphics tier for the quest 3

[hexed creek]

also, does anyone know what could be causing this? it worked perfectly fine before the latest update

my audio clips are set to Streaming on Quest, does that option not work in vrchat?

[fair tinsel]

that would be annoying as all heck for Developers

[hexed creek]

true

[fair tinsel]

and a lot of folks are uploading very poor avatars anyway so they would still be very poor even under upgraded Avatar ranking

and like material count would no go up even if they were only worrying about the Quest 3 because of the ram of it being not that much higher at only 8 gb

[magic bear]

Avatars I can agree but worlds...I would love more option

[fair tinsel]

the ram not being a significant Improvement would get in the way of Worlds looking better

[scenic sable]

Tupper did the right thing. The bugs started happening so we needed to roll back.

[hexed creek]

i just hope the update they're gonna push in a few hours doesn't break things again, the announcement in #open-beta-announcements doesn't really mention anything related to the memory issues, "VRChat is not responding" or "You cannot join this instance", just crashes when leaving worlds and an issue with avatars

[winter ice]

yep

hmm for my painful head that I use that is not quest compatible I am considering migrating it to use a fur shader for those parts of the head mesh (since it is a loose object I can easily separate them from the head to consider splitting those parts into a separate material before rejoining them lol) 😅

[scenic sable]

Sometimes your avatar got stuck. Like, my friend was carrying guns but his avatar, name plate, voice were in a different spot ... just frozen. He can move but his avatar, audio space, and UI will stay in one place. It looked like he was a blocked user carrying blasters but wasn't.

[winter ice]

Anyone know if it might be a good idea to use a fur shader for eyelashes / eyebrows though?

[scenic sable]

would a normal map be better?

[winter ice]

could, but I need a way to simulate a cutout without using cutouts 😅 due to it being expensive for quest users.

[winter ice]

I still need to figure out on using a normal map with doing some trickery like say for example:

• I want a part of the model, but I want it to use a single color material that uses a normal map which then at runtime is used as a shader to make it look like the item uses an image that has multiple different shades of that same color (or could be shaded all the way down to black for example on parts of it) 😅.

[scenic sable]

that is hard. the shaders are limited and I wish they were reworked.

[winter ice]

ye

it would be cool to have special textures though that act like that, but at runtime are used as shaders 😅.

(so then they actually do not use texture VRAM)

[scenic sable]

yeah ... that hurts both the memory and performance

[winter ice]

yeah large textures do be like that.

[drifting narwhal]

So I’m having an issue where I can’t see invite/request notifications. Simple as that. They don’t pop up at all

[uneven spear]

no, really bad idea

for PC, use Hair cards. for quest, you can either use little pieces of cut out mesh, or you can paint it directly onto the face

[uneven spear]

it also seems like you don't quite understand what a normal map is, and what shaders actually do

[ebon steppe]

"hair cards"
Woah, VRchat avatar creators don't know what those are, obviously individually modeling each strand of hair or using a fur shader is more efficient /s

[fair tinsel]

considering hair cards are not available at all on Quest I'm not surprised

[ebon steppe]

welcome to why the quest version of my avatar for the longest time just had square feathers

[hexed creek]

are there any shaders that use dithering for transparency on quest? i want to have a rolling fog effect above the ground in an area of my world

[fair tinsel]

you can use custom shaders on worlds

[hexed creek]

i know, i am doing that, but are there any quest/android specific dithering shaders for vrchat? i couldnt really find any

[brave salmon]

I wanted to connect my Quest 3 to PC but there is no Oculus 3 option in the oculus app on PC, anyone else solved this issue?

[chrome totem]

It hasn't been updated for the oculus app. I believe it will be out soon. It may be out right now and you should redownload the oculus app

[drowsy sparrow]

Not too familiar with the Snapdragon from the Occulus 2's specs...

What I want to know is if CPU or GPU of the Quest 2 has a higher budget, so I can better decide how I want to go about this world I'm doing...

Does anybody have a Lameman's term for the comparison between the two?

[fair tinsel]

Ram would be more your limiting factor as far as how detailed could you make your world

[boreal palm]

i think it identified my quest 3 as a 2 but it still worked

[grave hamlet]

My friend is having problems trying to get on VR chat. He said that it loads and takes it straight to the oculus world. He has an oculus two. He said that the problem has occurred ever since the new update. What do I tell him?

[hushed hedge]

yo, so my friend is kind of stuck, they restarted everything but their router. Their just stuck in the ground not being able to move

[late zodiac]

It’s a recent problem

Don’t think there’s a fix rn

[tranquil mesa]

Very excitingggg!

[wraith jewel]

Finally i hated that

Nearly destroyed my quest because of it

[tranquil mesa]

Yeah, I thought I was going crazy too

I went as far as to go down to the hardware level and profile with qualcomm's tool and it was showing wacky number so

hopefully images provided helped with addressing that!

[delicate spruce]

i need help how do change the shader to vrchat moblie shader and how do i remove some physbones

[raw ledge]

wdym?

[delicate spruce]

well i watching the video and it says i have to remove some physbones to convert the avatar to quest

[grave hamlet]

I'm playing right now and every three seconds it lags

[raw ledge]

Yo, imagine if the VRC devs found a way to get audio sources for quest avatars working with out crashing you or anyone else. that would a dream come true

[fair tinsel]

that's not something vrc can fix without major rewrites to the audio system

[sour elm]

The modded audio system ran perfectly fine back when that was a thing. So it’s confusing on how that would require major rewrites to the system.

They function similar to the normal audio system.

[fair tinsel]

the quest 2 headsets are all identical so if vrchat tested it they could get a answer as far as if it was satisfactory amount of not crashing

and also VRC has to consider scenarios where like everybody has one of those not just a couple of people

[sour elm]

Only the future could tell

[fair tinsel]

vrchat is not going to change any of the Avatar system for the quest 3

[sour elm]

It still would be nice to make local audio sources

[sour elm]

Quest 3 doesn’t change much I know that

I meant in general if audio systems could be a thing

As on quest2 I am able to listen to YouTube and play whatever world

[dry meadow]

How do you make volumetrics on quest like in The Smile room?

[twilit hare]

i found a few shaders to do this, but i dont think th eones i found look that good! let me know if you find the asnwer!

[dry meadow]

I found an answer that works well enough for me I take a cone adjust to my liking, duplicate it and the wider edge loop I shrink and if I want more density I make more clones

And then a gradient texture that fades from white to transparent

And then unity texture compression does the like noise for me

[dry meadow]

And it looks passable and I'd imagine if I have more tweaking it'd be even better

[dry meadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyFx5HDbgSU took a minute to find but this is the amazing video i used

[pulsar fable]

uhhhh guys am I tripping or has the shader update just been secretly dropped without mention????!!!!

this is on SDK 3.4.1

[dry meadow]

oh shit

yipieee

[twilit hare]

oh my god it's so simple i love it lol. i will use this! thank you!

[dry meadow]

:3

[twilit hare]

oh wow!!! i haven't checked out the standard lite shader in a while! looks like it was updated on 6/29?
https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-29-june-2023/18711

[pulsar fable]

it wasnt made live then

it was only recently and they havent announced it

[twilit hare]

makes sense! i was trying to figure out if i could use the standard lite shader for my map and it wasn't doing what i wanted it to. i'll give it a try now that it's out!

[pulsar fable]

also it finally has shadowcaster support so post processing should work properly if you use it on PC avatars now

[fair tinsel]

question has it been tested if the upgraded features show up when actually uploaded to vrchat

[pulsar fable]

not yet

[velvet flicker]

so I have been noticing audio sources dont load on the quest side(not sure if the quest 3 users are experiancing the same problem) but im new to making audio work in my vrchat world for quest and curious as to if there is a way to get around audio not working

[raw ledge]

Audio sources aren’t allowed on quest g

[raw ledge]

And the way to get around audio on quest to work is with a modified sdk which is against tos and not allowed

[velvet flicker]

im talking worlds not avatars

[pulsar fable]

how many sources do you have?

also unitys audio priority system is odd so id look into that too

effectively though it shouldnt behave differently to PC world wise as far as I know

[velvet flicker]

one and ok i'll look into it... so far it disables the audio source when I'm in and I have a toggle to turn it back on but most of the issues are on quest side. thanks for the reply @pulsar fable

[sour elm]

I can’t believe I got excited over new texturing abilities lmao

[pulsar fable]

Frankly anything they change at this point is something to get excited about and I hate that :/

[sour elm]

Now we wait for imposters

[tough hill]

Are there any performant & aesthetically pleasing assets / approaches for stylized water that works well on quest

[kind glen]

thats a very open and vague question to be honest

[formal kelp]

Guys when i try to load any world what is bigger 300 mb after some seconds back me in my HOME world and dont let me join "bigger" words why ? what i can do now ?

[sweet tundra]

The quest has a world size limit of 100mb, hence you cannot join larger worlds

You cannot change this

[formal kelp]

Ooh ok thanks yu

[tough hill]

I think 'looking for approaches to stylized water that perform well on Quest!' is pretty specific, even if there are a variety of such approaches!

[primal swallow]

Mochie's water shader can work very well with quest. While the default settings are Quest-destroying, it gives you enough options to make it quest compatible. Once you do that, you can replace the realistic looking normals/textures with something toon styled.

[analog temple]

what quest compatible shader allows transparency?

[gusty ember]

On worlds, pretty much any, on avatars, the closest I think was particle additive, was one of the particle shaders at least.

[analog temple]

oki thank you

multiply seemed to work the best

[tough hill]

Thank you! Has a very nice look as well.

[cunning linden]

How do i set the world volume for avatars in my world in Unity. They fade off real quick?

[warped cairn]

can I ask whay is this ? because i try every fix for me but there is nothing

[keen depot]

Hello everyone. Are there any updates on using Quest 3's mixed reality in VRChat? I envision a board game, similar to VegasInfinit, that allows placing the poker table in one's actual environment. Looking forward to your responses. (I would like to program a mixed reality board game.)

[cunning linden]

I’m having issues with hearing other avatars voices at a distance in our world what settings do I have wrong here? 🫠

[jolly harness]

you have it set so starts to roll of at 1 so i would try changing your min distance up more on the 3d sound settings

[cunning linden]

on the spatial blend? What would you recommend?

[fair tinsel]

There is no official support for that and folks are just using virtual desktop to chroma key out worlds that have green backgrounds to do a mixed reality setup in pcvr

[mighty ruin]

@JMMM, I've noted similar audio problems recently. My audio sources work fine on PC, but "play on awake" suddenly stopped working with Quest. I was experiencing the problem in all my worlds. Some have a few scripts that I might be inclined to blame, but others are very simple, with only one audio source, no toggles, no volume sliders, and no scripts other than the VRC_SpatialAudioSource component.

This was the hack I came up with to jumpstart my audio. I created an empty, called SoundStart and just placed it in the scene. I added the script component (Udon graph) to the empty. The script is called by the OnPlayerJoined event. It checks that it is the local player (the player who just joined). If true, it makes sure the AudioSource, named FireSound, is enabled, and it plays the sound. You would need to add additional enable/play blocks for each AudioSource that is supposed to to be playing when a person joins the world. After enabling and playing the AudioSource, the script deactivates the empty, SoundStart, so the function can't be called again. Deactivating itself is probably not a necessary step, but I wanted be sure nothing continues to run in the background. I tested the script with two players and multiple rejoins. My sounds are now behaving as desired.

https://i.imgur.com/nbr5ZJs.jpg

[velvet flicker]

@mighty ruin I have been trying out ideas like enabling audio source through udon and this is exactly what I have been looking for Thank you soooo much for this!

[mighty ruin]

Does anyone have a favorite shader for cutouts/foliage on Quest (preferably with lightmap support)? Are there any tricks you've discovered? Some worlds seem to get away with a fair amount of foliage, while others have unbearable distortion and artefacts. My own experiments have given mixed results. I've had decent luck with the z3y lit shader. I love to see how far a mobile chip can be pushed to render complex PBR stuff, and I'm amazed at how much the Quest can handle before losing framerate, but avoiding peripheral visual noise is challenging.

[long zenith]

can anyone recommend a world where devs meet up to share ideas etc?

[plush gorge]

Why not create a new accessibility feature to the camera that allows quest users to film videos using the ability of the VRChat Camera? Not just being able to only take photos

[fair tinsel]

vrchat doesn't have any video recording functionality

[alpine dome]

Recording video is very intensive and the quest is already at it's limit

Would be intersting to see if they've tried it before

[gusty ember]

Tbf, you can already half do it using the built in recorder, except it is only your view beibg recorded.

However last new year they did demo a in game recording feature that I am pretty sure was available on Quest as well, it was a button you could press that started a one minute recording of a drone flying a preset path in that world.

Seems like they didn't get around to doing anything with that feature though.

[rapid gazelle]

funny! new update and theyre still not taking away the lag per second

aka preloading.

[light cloak]

Did they fix they lag yet

[rapid gazelle]

nopee

[late zodiac]

It’s been fine for me

So idk

[rich oar]

My vrc has been “stuttering” for a while now, is that normal or could it be a internet connection issue?

[dim hedge]

Mine used to stutter alot

When I first got my quest 2 like a year ago

But I havnt seen any since then

[dim hedge]

Did it start happening after the newest update

[rich oar]

I believe so

[clever kraken]

Usually mine works fine unless I access my wide menu, then my game starts lagging every few seconds. So ig if you don’t want the lag, try not to go into your wide menu

[violet night]

thats a fun bug totally not annoying

[gloomy parcel]

can a Quest world have Multiple Reflection Probes? or only the one in the lighting Tab?

[fair tinsel]

you can have more than one reflection probe

[livid harbor]

I'm planning on converting my world to Quest. would it be possible to make some areas inaccessible on Quest that are accessible on PC?

[gusty ember]

Quest and PC contents is entirely separate.

Which means that yeah, if the Quest version of a world lacks a room, then Quest users cannot enter that room and PC users will appear to phase through a wall.

[livid harbor]

Sounds good. I just didnt know if it would cause sync issues or anything.

[livid harbor]

I’m trying to convert my PC world over to quest. Right at the end of the process where Unity reimports everything after switching the platform to android (which takes a few hours), Unity just crashes. Hoping someone can help.

[full oak]

if you open back the project it should be already in "android build mode"

and complete the atsc texture compression

[livid harbor]

I’ll give it a shot.

Unfortunately it’s still on PC.

[full oak]

remove all the things that cant work in the quest version then switch

probably it's a script

[livid harbor]

Sounds good.

[rapid gazelle]

man i love the fact that the lagging per second, preloading, turned to half a second! love it vrc! (er)

[livid harbor]

Got another issue going on. The SDK seems to reload itself as the world is uploading. I managed to get it uploaded earlier but unpublished it to fix some issues.

[tight sentinel]

guys if i delete my meta account it unmerged form my vrchat account?

[south lily]

anyone noticing avatars shaders are loading in wrong?

[weak yew]

Your not the only one

[winter topaz]

Because the update fucked up the shaders

[rapid gazelle]

we dont need these many updates lmao

for the game not sdk

[wraith jewel]

what did this update do? is there any way to fix it?

[weak yew]

Idk

[pearl matrix]

Standard material cutouts don’t work neither

[fair tinsel]

The standard shader isn't supposed to be available for quest avatars

[harsh epoch]

wait are sure shaders gucked up

[harsh epoch]

i’m pretty sure they meant the lite

or whatever it’s called i forgot

[wraith jewel]

wait yeah why are some mobile shaders weird looking?

some of my avatars in this new update don't look like they normally do (and I don't use modded stuff)

[fair tinsel]

do you have any pictures of what they look like before and what they look like now

[wraith jewel]

I think my friend has a pic of what it looked like before

and i can get one of the current one

[fair tinsel]

cool as it's easier to narrow down what's going on if we can see it

[wraith jewel]

my friend doesnt have a old pic but this is what is looks like on quest (it's used to look alot more brighter before)

[gusty ember]

Buggy changes from the open beta seemingly seeped over to live accidentally.

[crude umbra]

What development mean?

[last yarrow]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[gusty ember]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/

Make sure to check that someone hasn't already made a similar feature request.

And post it in #feature-requests (the devs don't read the channel) if you want input on your feature request.

[earnest moon]

SO
I have an avi that I made a while ago, I have the unity file ready to publish for android (so i can use it on quest) and there are no errors top tier performance etc etc. But I can't because I haven't played enouth or smth? It's the ranking system I believe. If someone with a rank high enough to publish could I would really appreciate it, but if not, what should I do? I play VRchat all the time and my rank never goes up. I've shelved the file since like late 2021 because I could never put it out

If a cool guy wants to do it for me DM me for the file (I dont want someone stealing it)

[gusty ember]

The person could not upload to your account since that would be against the rules and put both of your accounts at risk

And you of course couldn't share the files if you paid for them or they aren't supposed to be shared.

[gusty ember]

And for the ranking thing, in VRChat is your rank really still "visitor"? (you can check in the profile).

[earnest moon]

yeah!! I play a healthy amount which is like. multiple times a week and i still can't when i try to upload

account name is mothman18 if thats any help

[gusty ember]

I assume you aren't much in populated instances then?

People mainly doing solo stuff usually don't rank up easily at all.

[earnest moon]

Black Cat mostly

[earnest moon]

Hey, when I go into unity and try to export an avi for android it says I need a different shader for the material, but won't let me edit the material. how do i fix this

[earnest moon]

so NOW the problem is that when I export the .FBX into Unity the index finger distal bones just. stop working

its fine in blender, weights etc

but when I port it they lose the part of the hand they need to move and it sits still

[alpine dome]

Is there a way to limit the quest 3's performance to that of the quest 2 for testing purposes?

[sour elm]

Ask meta ig

[sour elm]

I happen to have issues like this so I just delete the avatar and undo. It fixes if it’s a unity issue, if it’s not, you’d have to go and fix it on unity

It’s not hard to assign the bones as you just search for the same bone and put it as select bone

[past sable]

(not recorded by me)

[tough garnet]

Can anybody fix this situation blue stuck bottem i try so hard to fix it doesn't work I use the cleaner machine but doesn't work what I can do to fix it????

[past sable]

take your batteries out for 30 mins and then put them back in if that doesnt work restart your headset

[tough garnet]

@past sable i did and is still dousnt work

[late zodiac]

What exactly is happening I don’t really understand

[past sable]

you may have to factory reset your headset

[long lynx]

Everytime I load vrchat it's saying "make sure your starting vrchat from the oculus pc app" I don't know what this means

[charred magnet]

It means stop using the Oculus pc app and start using Virtual Desktop. I hated that message. Virtual desktop makes everyting so much easier.

Use Virtual desktop and SteamVR to run VRC

[long lynx]

I use stand alone Quest tho

[charred magnet]

Ah, That's weird then.

[long lynx]

I have no idea what to do and it won't let me click the ok button :[

[charred magnet]

Try uninstall then reinstall

[long lynx]

Ok

It's fixed thank you!

[keen reef]

I have an issue where if I go into my social menu enough times my game will start stuttering

Every 3 seconds it'll freeze for a second then unfreeze, it's better or worse for some people so I'm wondering why it's doing that

[winter dagger]

That's what it's happening to mine

[ripe seal]

Seems kind of ironic how when I use Airlink so quest can handle everything perfectly fine but if I use normal link with VR chat everything is horrible doesn’t this just proves that the quest is capable of running PC level graphics

I think they should add a disable quest limiter function giving that user the pc renders

Of course it’ll be defaulted to off

Especially with the quest three supposedly being more powerful than the two

I don’t have one so I don’t know

[coral wave]

Any word for a cutout shader option for quest?

[fair tinsel]

that is never happening because the quest can't handle it reliably

[coral wave]

Doesnt quite make sense, but alrighty

[sweet tundra]

No, because in both cases your PC is doing the rendering, not the quest, and the quest is acting as a glorified video player.

[sour elm]

I mean if you wanna crash every second lmfao

There’s a reason to the limits, as much as it sucks, they are there so you can enjoy vrchat without issues.

I’m pretty sure everyone who owns a quest knows that frustration not being able to see certain things, and hear certain things.

[fair tinsel]

that is technologically impossible as your computer and the quest are speaking different chip architectures so they're literally incapable of seeing each other's content

[gusty ember]

Primarily because Unity's asset bundles just aren't compatible cross-platform and are built specifically for the platform selected.

[valid marsh]

this, some avatars have shaders and parts that wont even build on quest, which is the first step to getting it to show in game. nothing avatar makers or vrchat can do about this besides some avatars using different shaders or removing buggy parts to make a quest specific version.

[gray lion]

standard lite update did this

[ripe seal]

Well I think they should at least give quest users the option to disable fall back so that you can see the actual avatars

[ripe seal]

That’s the most annoying part of quest version

[kind glen]

fallbacks are there for a reason tho

[sweet tundra]

Fallbacks are there for when you wouldn’t be shown the actual avatar

[kind glen]

half the time its because the avatar wasnt built for quest
so you literally cant see it either way

[sour cargo]

Arm vs height slider has been broken on quest for a bit

I wanted to tell someone but I wasn’t sure where to go to do so

[wraith jewel]

Vrchat acting up

[granite wren]

yea i cant get in

ive been in the loading menu for an hour

[dense geode]

Servers are down #server-status

[wraith jewel]

Im in, but ive been in

It hasnt crashed yet

[dense geode]

Are you in a home world or error?

[wraith jewel]

Is it working for people pc-vr

[wraith jewel]

No im chilling ina friends+ wit my friend

[dense geode]

How long have you been in it

[wraith jewel]

About almost an hour

[dense geode]

Outage only started at like 10:30 so

[wraith jewel]

Idk whats goin awn

[dense geode]

It’s mostly an API issue

[wraith jewel]

Frl?

Ohhhh

[dense geode]

It’ll be fixed within an hour I’m sure

The downtime is gonna be insane

Imo the issue is when people spam to get in and only make the servers worse

[granite wren]

my fav world

[wraith jewel]

Jesus…

[normal mulch]

The best world

[granite wren]

right

[wraith jewel]

Omg that world is so prettyyyy

[normal mulch]

Who esle hanging there rn?

[granite wren]

just me 😍

[wraith jewel]

Oof

[dense geode]

I was in error for awhile, but the smart thing to do to lessen the load is to stay off till things have been fixed and allow time for things to settle

Just general rule of thumb tbh

[granite wren]

that’s what im gonna do

and i can adore this photo in the meantime

[dense geode]

Is that supposed to be baby

[granite wren]

yea some type of her

[dense geode]

That’s wild 😭

[granite wren]

FR 😭😭

[dense geode]

bruh

[wraith jewel]

Lol

[dense geode]

Auto-mod be dumb fr

[normal mulch]

I was blasting all i want for christmas is you in a fnaf game on vrchat when it crashed.😭

[wraith jewel]

Me and my friend chilling man, we aint crash yet

[hidden warren]

I'm kinda worried whit that too

it just happened to me jajaja!

[granite wren]

itll be back up soon

[normal mulch]

Can someone checks status it wont let me check

[hidden warren]

it's kinda of an error in general

[simple smelt]

That’s crazy me to

[normal mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/clash-royale-clash-royale-emote-gif-23858585

[hidden warren]

i wasn't abble to change worlds or rejoins

[hidden warren]

VR fall of XD

[simple smelt]

Real

[normal mulch]

Being in floridia is crazy

[vivid niche]

if i am using steam link am i a pc user or still a quest user?

[normal mulch]

PCVR

obv

[vivid niche]

they don’t make it v obvious

[normal mulch]

My steam link is low laggy and is potato quality

[fair tinsel]

is your computer hooked up to the internet via Wireless or connected directly to the router

[dense geode]

Dude I won’t even lie, Nightshift is a good game, but it’s so annoying lol

Can’t wait for nightshift 3

[stray siren]

How's it annoying?

[dense geode]

Well, kids who don’t know one thing abt the game just coming in and ranting abt things that have never happened 😭

[stray siren]

I mean that's in a lot of games but yeah lmao

[dense geode]

Atp everytime I hear a kid I just block em

easier on my ears

[stray siren]

Yeah same

[normal mulch]

its out just wip

[dense geode]

Since when?

[normal mulch]

it came out today idk i think

its crappy but fun

[dense geode]

so i assume they have the shadows, and spring?

[normal mulch]

VRchat still down

[grim forge]

I joined to see if I could find out what's wrong, now I know

[normal mulch]

they have phantom freddy and springtrap that work. phantom chica doesnt work and most of the charcters are unfinshed.

[dense geode]

dang

thats to be expected tho ngl

the coding for them isnt easy

[normal mulch]

its brand new. i found out when i saw a friend playing it.

[dense geode]

give it two weeks and im sure itll be playable

for now, 2 is the only one thatll work fine lol

[normal mulch]

the cool new feature is that you can walk around and jump to pull up your animatronic menu and jump to close it.