world-lighting

[sharp robin]

• what shaders are you using

[versed herald]

Here is my brightness. When i turn up the weight it gets darker, turn it down it gets lighter
unity? shader?

[sharp robin]

Oh its post processing

And yeah thats as expected

[versed herald]

wait so it being backwards it normal?

[sharp robin]

Your post processing volume makes it dark

Increasing the weight of it will increase the amount the darkening effect has

[versed herald]

is there a way to swap it?

[sharp robin]

You could probably just rotate the slider

So flip it 180 on the Z axis or something

[versed herald]

well the slider yeah, but for the weight is there a way to make it so when its turned up it gets brighter and durned down it gets darker

[sharp robin]

You would need to change the post processing volume to make it brighter instead

[versed herald]

whats the volume

[sharp robin]

The component on the game object you have selected

[versed herald]

ok i have the post processing brightness selected. but i dont see volume

[sharp robin]

It's in your screenshot

[versed herald]

ok so what needs changed then

[sharp robin]

If your slider already has the desired effect but is reversed you should just flip the slider

[versed herald]

Turning weight to 1 = dark.
Turning weight to 0 = Light.

i have yet to connect it to the slider

[sharp robin]

Oh

You should change the auto exposure to color grading and use the post exposure option it has instead of auto-exposure

[versed herald]

is that just a better way for darkness and lightness? lol

but uhhh how do i connect that to an animator then

[sharp robin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlGKfcR6Yh4

[versed herald]

dont know coding. iv been watching this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIFzRuDeK4M

[green vault]

https://booth.pm/en/items/3747950 this might help if you only need darkness and brightness

[versed herald]

maybe. but do you know why my animator isnt catching colorgrading?

[green vault]

record button not on?

[versed herald]

it is

the record thing is on and i changed the value i want. but it isnt getting it

[green vault]

not sure then

[versed herald]

i got what i wanted for the values but now i cannot connect the sliders to them. I am vollowing this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIFzRuDeK4M

[green vault]

did you make sure to use customevent on the slider "on value chnged"?

[versed herald]

yeah. here is a photo

[green vault]

not sure., it looks like wat fionna did

[versed herald]

hmm when testing my posts are set to 0 and not changable.

[simple sinew]

The walls in the area are all one mesh. Why does one of them refuse to get any lighting data?

[graceful tartan]

Have you got Generate lightmap UVs checked?

[simple sinew]

Yessir

Let me get a more detailed screenshot

The area light stretches a bit farther from the wall

[fallow lark]

why are your light probes touching the walls

[wraith marsh]

omg backrooms!!

[simple sinew]

I rearranged them and the problem persisted

[fallow lark]

the light probes wouldn't be affecting your wall lighting in the first place as light probes are for handling avatars and pick up objects

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKgUJccjWRU

[tender crag]

Bump

[graceful tartan]

Shouldnt the bounding box be where you want the probe to display and not the whole hallway? so each probe would be its own section of hallway

although i havent played with the blending so could be wrong XD

[tender crag]

I tried that too, but again, it's irrelevant to the problem I believe

I've been given a tip that VRCSDK handles reflection probe blending settings, not Unity itself. There is something to it since blending got borked right after I updated the sdk from what I remember.

I tried deleting and reverting back to previous versions of VRCSDK, but it didn't help...

I guess the question is whether this is a VRC specific issue or a Unity one. When this is understood, I could refer to the appropriate resources for help.

[lean whale]

@tender crag I'll make a copy of my project, check for updates and see if my probes get borked too

My reflections were popping a lot until I adjusted my boundaries not to overlap so much, but yeah that's weird that it is still happening when you do that, really curious what's different on your end

[tender crag]

Also I created a new project with just VRCSDK and Bakery imported, not getting blending either

[lean whale]

Just updated, still working for me

[tender crag]

Just as a sanity check, is your blend distance field active?

Or how do you tell if it works primarily?

[lean whale]

No it's not, I don't think we get access to that unless we're in a certain rendering mode

I would like to have that extra control tho haha

[tender crag]

What does this guy look like for you?

[lean whale]

Fwiw here are the bounds of all of my probes after I adjusted them. Before they were all giant cubes that were overlapping a ton

[lean whale]

It depends on what object I have selected and where it is. Generally looks like that though

[tender crag]

And probes blend as you fly through them in the editor?

Or do you have to go into play mode?

[lean whale]

Umm

What do you mean by fly through them?

They blend if I click and drag a reflective object yes

The view position shouldn't change the blending

[tender crag]

Okay, it seems like I fundamentally misunderstand this feature.

[lean whale]

Are you possibly misunderstanding what reflection probes are used for?

Yeah

They are used for non-static, moving objects which have reflective surfaces, so the reflections on their surfaces change as they move from one probe's bounds to the next probe's bounds

[fallow lark]

like the static geometry which have reflective surfaces also reads from the reflection probes

[tender crag]

Again, here is my use-case. I was thinking of using two probes to blend reflections on the hall surfaces from each pair of lamps

And I thought reflection probes were working for this up to a point

Maybe I'm losing my mind though

[fallow lark]

https://docs.unity3d.com/2019.4/Documentation/Manual/class-ReflectionProbe.html

the instruction manual for reflection probes if that helps

[lean whale]

Dang now I'm confused hahah. But I don't think reflection probes can do what you want

Like, if you only use one probe for that hallway, the issue is that the reflection is incorrect from certain positions, right?

[tender crag]

I visited the page a dozen of times probably, didn't clear much with respect to the issue

[tender crag]

Right, if I were to place just one in the middle, the other two would be blurry

[fallow lark]

question is your floor one model

[tender crag]

Everything you see on the screenshot is one mesh

[fallow lark]

okay just figured I'd ask in case that was making it sample one probe

[tender crag]

Let me phrase it differently, how can I achieve reflections that are physically believable no matter where you stand in this specific case? I feel like placing a reflection probe under every source of light is a bit excessive

And will still get messy without blending

Or is there no way around it?

[fallow lark]

don't know off the top of my head as I typically do one reflection probe per room

[tender crag]

I wish there was a subject matter expert who could confirm (or not) that blending is at all applicable in my case so that it would stop distracting me from the making the world lol

[fallow lark]

honestly I'd suggest probably just go work on the rest of the world until you get an answer back

[tender crag]

I meant in general, not right now. Hopefully someone will hop on this topic while I'm asleep (:

Idk, this looks so fake that I would rather not have any reflections at all, but I still want them :c

[lean whale]

Yeah reflection probes aren't gonna cut it for that, they work best for things where you don't need accurate reflections, so a big flat reflective surface is really going to expose their weakness. I think what you need is realtime screen space reflections as a postprocessing effect

Or RTX on haha

Setting the probe to Box projection might help a bit

[fallow lark]

and all of those effects are kind of expensive for vrchat

[lean whale]

Definitely... I think a single probe with box projection will look fine in this case, but if you're really picky about it being accurate, probably better to compromise on no reflections, or just make the material less smooth so you can't tell

[tender crag]

I am baffled that I wound up persuading myself that static blending of lights was a thing. I'll try doing what you suggested here, thanks

[graceful tartan]

You cant. Reflection probs are an approximation at best and cant do physically correct reflections generally.

[tender crag]

But muh immersion

[fallow lark]

we can't really afford more accurate reflections of the framerate vr needs to run

so honestly I'd probably make the floor less shiny

[tender crag]

Totally, can you have more than two intersecting volumes?

[tender crag]

Managed to get something decent by aligning probes manually. Why it took me so long to come up with this workaround is a great mystery.

[coarse moth]

There are some shaders that allow you to have good reflections however it comes with problems like Performance drops.

I know Mochie has it

[cunning iris]

got a question, how do i adjust the intensity of emissive materials so that the interior of the building isn't pitch black?

this is the teigeki area fom sakura wars by the way

[green vault]

go to emmisive material. set them to “baked” and apply the intended color/intensity. when you go to bake lighting, set bounces above none and it will bake lighting around the emmission

[cunning iris]

something like this?

i have bounces set to 5 by the way

[green vault]

yep

tis correct

[cunning iris]

and are these settings good?

[mental charm]

oh mah lawd

[graceful tartan]

Doesnt the unity support GPU baking now? That should be a bit faster.

I've had big worlds take like 30min to bake (with bakery) but never 4 hrs

[pallid flint]

yes, however the lightmaps have to fit into VRAM. if the lightmaps are too large, the GPU bake fails and it falls back to CPU baking

[pine fox]

Anyone have any best practices for switching between baked lighting for PC/Quest? On PC I have 1 mixed directional light + Bakery set to Shadowmask, but on Quest I just want everything fully baked for maximum performance. I find when I switch between build targets I need to rebake all the lights even though I already have the lightmaps there for both... other than trying to maintain two separate projects (ugh)... anyone know how to tell Bakery/Unity to switch lightmap settings?

[mental charm]

When i bake my lighting some of my point lights disapear?

[green vault]

are thyne set them to baked as well?

[mental charm]

All of them are

[green vault]

id move that point light out of the mesh as a seperate game object even tho no shadows is enabled

[mental charm]

Alright ill try it for all lights, also is there anyway to bake my lighting as to where it wont take 2 hours

[green vault]

lower your settings a bit

[mental charm]

regarding like what kind

[green vault]

like in the most basic form

as well as making sure uohre not baking directional maps. or realtome dynamic maps either

then theres more advanced settinfs you can mess with to make it faster

generally. lower the texal amount

[mental charm]

the lights disapearred after baking

[next owl]

the light objects themselves, or the visible specular highlights on the walls?

specular highlights won't live through a bake-- you need to either use a shader that will include specular highlights as part of the bake (i can't remember the name of the common one used for this but it does exist), or, you can place self-illuminated light fixtures where your lights are and make sure they're visible for the reflection probe bake

keep in mind that when you bake lighting, you'll usually want to re-bake reflection probes

[fallow lark]

https://gitlab.com/s-ilent/filamented the common Shader with the baked specular

[raven blaze]

so I've got these cute little lights hanging all about, and in Blender an emissive material actually emits light but it doesn't do so in Unity.. and normally for lamps it wouldn't be an issue cause I could just add a light source but with alllll the little lights that's not possible.. so what would be the best way to bake those lights in?

[outer nacelle]

you can create an emissive material in unity by checking the emmisions box on just a basic coloured material in unity and picking a colour you want to light up as, and then define the strength of that intensity. Youd just need to make sure the objects are seperate as you cant have 2 materials on one object in unity like you can in blender

[raven blaze]

thanks for the tip! ^^

[mental charm]

When i bake my lighting all my point lights disappear

[left badger]

if i clear baked data and generate lighting and everything is dark af what could i be missing? (items suposed to be static are checked to be static)

[next owl]

This isn't true, you can absolutely have multiple materials assigned to a single object in Unity on a per-face basis

[outer nacelle]

oh dang my mistake then, i didnt know that thats cool

[next owl]

you just have to make sure the material slots are defined in the 3d app before exporting to fbx and you should see them in the inspector

[outer nacelle]

ohh ok that makes more sense

[wooden bronze]

Anyone here available that has experience with using Bakery for lighting? The lighting in my world is nice and dim how I want it, but avatars are still lit pretty brightly.

[fallow lark]

did you place enough light probes

[wooden bronze]

as far as I'm aware

[modest vapor]

Can you show your lightprobe debug view with a cube where you think it looks incorrect ?

[wooden bronze]

How do I access the debug view?

[modest vapor]

All the way down the lighting window

[wooden bronze]

Like so?

[fallow lark]

yes

probably help if the bottom layer of the probes wasn't in the floor?

[modest vapor]

All the probes seem extremely bright regardless

The very high intensity bloom doesn't help I guess

[wooden bronze]

the bloom intensity is only at 0.75 x.x

[modest vapor]

that's 7 times the recommended value

[next owl]

the fact that your light probes are so intensely bright, but the walls and floor are very dark, makes me think that maybe your color values for those textures aren't PBR-safe

there's a viewing debug mode in the dropdown on the upper left of the viewport that's called something like "Validate Albedo" that will flag textures that are too dark and won't realistically reflect light

[wooden bronze]

That explains a lot of things then. Is there any guides or tips on getting those within a safe range?

[next owl]

yes, but it's going to be a bit technical

[wooden bronze]

That's fine. I'd rather learn the proper ways to set things up anyway.

[next owl]

https://substance3d.adobe.com/tutorials/courses/the-pbr-guide-part-2#:~:text=In terms of sRGB%2C the,-0.04 (linear) range.

the way the Standard shader (and any other PBR-type shader) works, the baseColor is going to determine the color of diffuse reflections for non-metallic materials, and diffuse and specular reflections for metallic materials

that value, for most materials, needs to be within a safe range in order to reflect light realistically. if it's too high it's going to blast way too much bounce light everywhere when you're computing GI, and if it's too dark it won't reflect any light at all

roughly, you never want the luminance of any texture to go below sRGB 30 (out of 255), or above sRGB 240

[wooden bronze]

That actually makes a lot of sense. Thank you so much. I'll give that guide a read through asap.

[next owl]

good luck! it's definitely worth the read

also regarding bloom: it's going to appear way more intense in VR than it does in pancake mode. definitely aim for more subtle bloom if you don't want to blind the VR nerds

[wooden bronze]

Will do! I have 11k hours logged in VR, so I know very well how painful too much bloom can be. haha.

[fallow lark]

https://gitlab.com/s-ilent/SCSS/-/wikis/Other/Post-Processing

a guide on post-processing for VRC

[mental charm]

Certain point lights disappear while other dont?

Green stayed red gone

This happens after playing the scene or after baking my lighting

[glossy meteor]

can you show the light properties?

[mental charm]

like in the inspector correct?

[glossy meteor]

yes!

[mental charm]

First SS is one thats poofing, the second one is one thats not disappearing

Also to mention, to make them come back i have to delete and then control Z to bring em back

[jaunty charm]

If I remember correctly you need to set lights and geometry to static for baking to work.tick box top right corner.

[mental charm]

Lights static aswell?

Well i dont think that would fix it anyways though? Since the broken or working ones arent static?

[glossy meteor]

the intensity/range is likely too low and with low light bounce count, you will have barely any light

[mental charm]

Bounces are on the default two but ill try raising intensity

[glossy meteor]

2 is very little, i would go for 4, which is the max on the built-in mapper i think

[mental charm]

Yeah it is, ill try

[mental charm]

Still have the same lights disappearing

[glossy meteor]

i suggest to ensure the meshes of the lamps do not have the option of casting shadows enabled or move the lights outside

another option is to set the emission to baked and ignore the point lights for now

[mental charm]

Ima just try baking one more time, moved the lights even further from any meshes and raised their range and intensity

Ofc it didnt

I wouldnt mind if they broke after baking but it breaks when i even play the scene

[glossy meteor]

try baked emission instead of point lights

[mental charm]

How would i go about doing that

[glossy meteor]

the standard shader has a selection field to switch emission gi to baked

called: global illumination (gi)

setting it to baked and cranking the intensity up to some value should do

[mental charm]

i mean it could work but it doesnt really cast lighting, just makes it bright where the texture is

[verbal cape]

hehe avoid outrageous levels, a tiny emission with a 40 intensity has a tendency to effect everything for miles.

[mental charm]

So the emmision cranked up on the side walk looks like this

[verbal cape]

got to bake em

[mental charm]

this is what itd look like with point lights

[glossy meteor]

as KevBal said, you need to bake it

[mental charm]

Alright ill try it out

[glossy meteor]

while emission on the material must be set to baked

[mental charm]

Alright

Like this right? Then bake?

[glossy meteor]

yes, and then the HDR intensity value will control light intensity

[mental charm]

Alright, gonna try to bake em now

[wraith wyvern]

Where are my furniture?

[mental charm]

It works for making a light source but it doesnt reflect light on anything else

[wraith wyvern]

I have lost the Avatar Pedestrian code 😰 let me download

[fringe wing]

check the sdk

[wraith wyvern]

Found it! I created a new project, and then import to take the file of the world found the code to copy to another window finally.

[wraith wyvern]

How to insert an Avatar image and apply an Avatar? 🤔

[wraith wyvern]

Who knows, please help

[lean whale]

Just put the avatar id in the avatar pedestal component in the inspector, that's pretty much it

[wraith wyvern]

I can't apply the Avatar

[lean whale]

You need this on there too

[wraith wyvern]

Ok

[lean whale]

There is an AvatarPedestal prefab in the SDK that is already set up like this too, in case you want to just use that

[wraith wyvern]

thanks

[wraith wyvern]

Hmmm

[lean whale]

Is "Change Avatars On Use" checked?

[wraith wyvern]

I don't have such a file UdonExampleSoene

Is it necessary to code a file?

[wraith wyvern]

It was difficult for me, can you help the video

[supple harness]

Add this prefab to the scene, enter your blueprint. Profit.

[wraith wyvern]

Found it thanks ☺️

[shell vault]

okay uhm.... i have no clue if what i made will work or not. just slapped down a bunch of lights... but i do ahve a question.... how do i add post processing bloom?

[nova lynx]

Why are are my walls being baked so weirdly? I tried to convert the world to quest compatible, couldnt do it. Loaded the original scene back up, lighting was messed up, and then I baked it and now the walls are coming out weirdly.

[verbal cape]

need to switch the image format of the lightmaps to astc 4x4 block.

any of the #x# blocks will do but until you read up on them, just use 4x4.

[nova lynx]

Okay, and where do I find this, on the actual lightmap itself?

[shell vault]

the lights are flashing. and i dont know why

[quasi epoch]

how do i add post processing to make my world look better, I'm a beginner and this is my first world, plz go ez on me

[glossy meteor]

are those real time lights? then you must bake them

[shell vault]

uhm... how do i bake them?

unity is dumb

[glossy meteor]

look into VRWorldToolkit, it has an automatic post processing setup

[quasi epoch]

i did vrworldtoolkit

it still looks like ass and i dont think the reflection probe works correctly

[glossy meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKgUJccjWRU

[quasi epoch]

because i tried to bake it and it was black

I'm trying to go for more of a darker clubroom look

but i think realtime lighting works better for that

idk if lighting = emissions

but I'll look into it

thanks for the advice ^^

[shell vault]

he has settings that i do not. dont think i can bake the lights

[glossy meteor]

contribute gi equals lightmap static here
unity just reworked some lightmapping concepts

[shell vault]

question. how do i use/set up the light probe? the video does not explain it and it seems very uncecesery for what is basicaly baking a texture of the lights to a uv

and i cant find any decent video to explain wtf its used for

i will just assume this is correct?

[glossy meteor]

light probes are for dynamic objects that move, for instance the player model

and when you hit bake, the light probes will sample how the light is at that specific position

[shell vault]

oh alright so it basicaly stores a volume of the lights?

okay is now baking 👍

will take an hour haha

[glossy meteor]

yes

[glossy meteor]

tweaking settings is important throughout dev

many just use bakery cus it's a really good paid lightmapper

[wraith wyvern]

Where can I get a password?

[shell vault]

random number generator?

[graceful tartan]

I'd recomend you get your baked lighting setup first before you try play with post processing.
Lighting will make things look much better.

[quasi epoch]

i did

it did make it look better

[graceful tartan]

pick number between 0000 and 9999 and you have a passcode

[wraith wyvern]

No, where to get a model?

[graceful tartan]

That'd be more of a #udon-general or #world-development as it's got nothing to do with lighting

but to quickly answer, check VRC Prefabs, i believe theres at least 2 on there.

[twilit sluice]

with bakery can i bake rooms separately?

[glossy meteor]

look into bakery sectors and bakery lightmap groups

[twilit sluice]

and how i can make these groups?

[glossy meteor]

https://geom.io/bakery/wiki/index.php?title=Manual#Bakery_Sector

[green osprey]

Okay reflections are giving me a bit of a hassle here. i have a marble floor and im trying to get the reflections to look nice problem is when i place down reflection probes and bake the lighting/reflections it looks nice in the scene view in unity but looks nowhere near the same in game. also how do i use use multiple reflection probes for separate rooms so lets say the bedroom isnt reflecting the main lobby?

[next owl]

reflection probes have volumes... make sure the probe volumes are tailored to each room you want to reflect. also, if your walls/floors/etc are all combined together, the probes are going to have a hard time understanding what is bedroom and what is lobby even with the volumes placed... keep the 3D objects that make up these rooms separated from one another

if in-game testing is on a quest, keep in mind quest doesn't support box projection for reflection probes

[green osprey]

the lobby and bedroom are all a single mesh.... so how im taking this is reflections are a pain and i probably should forget about them

[next owl]

or just separate the meshes?

it's better for optimization anyways, so things like occlusion culling will work properly

[green osprey]

hmmm. good point. WELP back to blender i go! now for after i separate the meshes how do i go about putting a reflection probe in that room and having it reflect only whats in that room? in the lighting tab for the environment reflections i can either have it set as skybox or custom though custom only allows me to add 1 reflection probe map.

[next owl]

just drop a probe in each room and adjust the bounds of each so that they overlap the objects that make up each room

then bake reflections, and adjust bounds again if you need to. you should be able to see reflections shift as you tweak the bounds

make sure that any object you want to contribute to reflections is set to static

[green osprey]

just to note. i did make a quick little box separated by in 2 by a wall and tossed 2 reflection probes in and adjusted their bounds. in scene view i could see that the 2 rooms were reflected correctly but when i loaded vrchat up in desktop mode the room was reflected as if the wall separating them wasnt there.

[next owl]

that's weird. you're using the standard shader?

[green osprey]

mhm

[next owl]

that wall separating the rooms is a separate mesh, set to static? and you can see it in the reflection probe gizmos?

[green osprey]

yes. i had 1 light and 1 emissive texture in each room and in the reflection off the floor and in the gizmo i can see the reflection of those light sources from the adjacent room

[next owl]

are you sure the reflection you're seeing isn't a specular highlight from the light?

[green osprey]

pretty sure. i had a cylinder with a pink emissive texture in one room and i could see clear as day the pink glowing cylinder from the opposite room in the reflection

[next owl]

ok. what i think is happening based on your description is that the floor is blending the contributions of those two probes because the floor is one single object

I'm not sure why it would look correct on the editor and not in the build, that's a little odd

try splitting the floor where the wall separates them into two meshes

[green osprey]

Hmm that makes alot more sense. ill seperate stuff in blender and let you know if anything has changed. thanks for the help

[next owl]

🍻

[mighty crow]

baking a lightmap with Bakery, what could cause these artefacts?

[next owl]

uv overlap? coplanar faces or some other topology problem?

[mighty crow]

i've set lightmap uvs to be generated by unity itself...

[next owl]

in that case i'd check for topological errors on the mesh, like overlapping faces. or some other object in the scene overlapping those boxes

[tepid chasm]

how do I make my floor not so... bright

[verbal cape]

a quick work around might just be to increase the lightmap padding in your bakery settings. Its at 3 by default. Usually knocks out overlap issues.

[mighty crow]

okay, i will test it out, thank you!

[tepid chasm]

hmm, guess it's the skybox that does it, intensity multiplier makes my floor have this white bright shine to it..

[green vault]

make surface metallic to make darker

[tepid chasm]

makes it darker when there's no skybox

otherwise just makes it brighter

(using just the standard shader for the floor there)

hmm seems to entirely depend on what skybox I use. D:

[green vault]

you can set your environment reflection to “custom”. same with gi

[next owl]

i don't recommend using the metallic channel to darken surfaces unless it's actually supposed to be a metallic surface. better to adjust lighting, or to use ambient occlusion instead

or customize reflections / GI like spring man said. but if you can get it working by adjusting your albedo or occlusion textures, that's generally the best way to go.

[tepid chasm]

hm.

and yeah, I agree, I don't want to make something metallic just for the sake of it being darker.

[opaque garnet]

anyone know if this works in VRChat?
https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/particles-effects/aura-2-volumetric-lighting-fog-137148

[outer nacelle]

Sadly it dosent

There are some volumetric lights that work with shaders on booth if you look around a bit

[mint cipher]

the skybox light isent baking how do you do this?

[fallow lark]

https://gitlab.com/s-ilent/fake-lights

https://gitlab.com/s-ilent/XSVolumetrics

[green osprey]

so after splitting the meshes placing light probes and setting their bounds to the dimensions of the room im still getting this where its reflecting the emissive materials through floor and walls. the blue light strip is in the lower room and the lower room is its own mesh. i have no clue what im doing wrong 😅

[modest vapor]

Most likely reflection probes bounds

The meshes might be using multiple reflection probes, you can see which in the mesh renderer component

Adjust the bounds or set overrides

[next owl]

ah that's a good point, i forgot you have that debug info available in the inspector

[green osprey]

ive adjusted bound and it dosnt seem to change

[modest vapor]

And rebaked ?

[green osprey]

is there a certain way i should have my lighting tab set up? maybe im stupid?

in all fairness all this is probably cuz im stupid

[next owl]

you're likely not stupid, real-time CG is hard

[modest vapor]

Not stupid, just new to it

Select one of the floor meshes that has incorrect reflections and post a screenshot of its mesh renderer component

[green osprey]

this?

[next owl]

yeah, so that means that one mesh is blending together the results of three reflection probes

you need to tailor the volumes so that only the probes you want are overlapping any given object

also, this is unrelated, but you have a ton of individual materials on that one mesh. that's going to affect performance

[green osprey]

should i isolate everything more? so walls ceiling stairs and everything are their own mesh with their own material?

[next owl]

well, for the reflection probe thing, you just have to make sure that the bounds of each probe are set so that the upstairs probes aren't overlapping the ceiling of the downstairs. that's how you're getting those reflection "leaks".

[green osprey]

their not overlaping is the thing. ive adjusted and adjusted and made sure their not

[next owl]

the materials stuff i'm just mentioning as an optimization thing. you want to use "atlasing" to minimize the number of unique materials you're using in any given scene. the reason the standard shader works the way it does is because you can define lots of different kinds of surfaces with a single material instance just by using textures to vary things

if you look up material atlasing you'll get a sense of what i mean.

[next owl]

they must be overlapping somehow, because the mesh you selected is blending the contributions of three different reflection probes.

you can see the three probes in the inspector screenshot you shared.

[green osprey]

i have no clue where or how theyd be overlapping :/

[next owl]

it's hard for me to say without having your scene open in front of me

[green osprey]

yeah i get that.

HM

[next owl]

is the floor of your top room the same object as the ceiling of the bottom room? like are they just two sides of one cube?

[modest vapor]

Set your own anchor override !

[green osprey]

i have 0 clue what that means lmao

[modest vapor]

Create an empty and then you can chose which probes it will blend in specifically

[next owl]

ah that's also really good advice, duh

the anchor override lets you set where an object "sits" as far as reflection probes are concerned

so you can just place an empty group somewhere just underneath the ceiling and set that group as the anchor override transform for the ceiling geo. when reflection probes are trying to determine what objects are inside the probe volume, they'll use those overrides if available

reflection probes aren't smart enough to know if they're overlapping part of an object or not. it's all or nothing

anchors are a way to fine-tune that

[green osprey]

lmao

oh okay gotcha

[opaque garnet]

anyone know if this package works for VRC?
https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/utilities/magic-light-probes-157812

[next owl]

I think you'll need to delete the component or helper objects it creates before testing or publishing, but the light probes it places will still be valid

[opaque garnet]

ok thanks

[verbal cape]

MLP works as is with VRC no need to delete anything. Its bad tho. Unrealistic probe placements is what you get when you grid out your world.

[next owl]

which component was i thinking of? i know there's another light probe placer out there that works well but is incompatible with VRC

[verbal cape]

I know which one you are talking about, just dont know what its called 😛 *Maybe its just called "Light Probe Placer"

[graceful tartan]

For anyone that hasn't already got it:

BAKERY IS CURRENTLY 50% OFF

https://tenor.com/view/vvm-coin-vvmc-coin-virtualventuremediacoin-crypto-gif-23957279

[mint cipher]

Oh damn never knew I'm definitely gonna look into that

[graceful tartan]

Bakery is the standard for lightmap baking as far as im concerned. It makes everything look much nicer than unity default.

[mint cipher]

Will it help with size issues as well?

Like mb size and such

Bought it

[quasi epoch]

how do i combine both realtime and baked lighting

so my emissions give off light

[graceful tartan]

Emissions should give off light for baked lighting too

unless you specifically have something that is moving that is giving off light, you can just bake it

[graceful tartan]

Possibly? You might have your texel density set too high or your lightmap resolution too big

or maybe just huge objects that you can turn down the lightmap scale on

[quasi epoch]

no like, light that reflects om the floor

and ceiling

[graceful tartan]

Is it doing something that you cant just use a reflection probe for?

[quasi epoch]

audiolink

lights are dynamic

[graceful tartan]

i know vrsl audiolink lights should do that out of the box, but not sure about emissive lights

[quasi epoch]

my emissive lights are from... poiyomi

its a poiyomi toon material

[quasi epoch]

they're textured objects reacting to audiolink

via emissions

should i just attach vrsl audiolink lights to those objects?

because

I don't really give a hoot about optimization

[graceful tartan]

Na they're more for dynamic stage lights to shine light around with audiolink

if you dont give a hoot, just have a realtime reflection probe

that'll get your lights reflecting

[quasi epoch]

where can i get those btw, I'm actually looking for those

[graceful tartan]

https://github.com/AcChosen/VR-Stage-Lighting

[quasi epoch]

i already set up baked lighting for all my other light sources though

[graceful tartan]

That's fine, reflection probes arent affected by lighting bakes

[quasi epoch]

how taxing are realtime reflections tho

on a scale of one to "i should not have more than 10 desktop users in this room"

[graceful tartan]

I've only used one once before, and it was fine.

but im sure that highly depends on the resolution you set it to

[quasi epoch]

what is a good resolution to set it to?

512?

[graceful tartan]

the lowest you can have it without things looking crap, lower the better. Hah.

[quasi epoch]

my floor isn't a mirror

it's just wood

it should be fine

... right?

[graceful tartan]

Yea, wont pick up too much detail off it anyway so low res shouldnt look bad

[mint cipher]

@graceful tartan

Is this good too

[graceful tartan]

Haven't heard of it

[mint cipher]

That's surprising

Apparently it combines meshes and stuff

Text atlasing

[outer nacelle]

so im having a little issue with bakery specificly heres my scene view and game view in unity vs in vrchat, any ideas?

[mint cipher]

https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/modeling/mesh-baker-5017

[graceful tartan]

What directional lighting mode do you have it set to?

[outer nacelle]

on my point lights?

[graceful tartan]

in bakery

in the bake settings

[outer nacelle]

none

[graceful tartan]

From the bottom picture it looks like you arent using bakery lights, so baking likley wont give you any lighting

To create a bakery light you go here

[outer nacelle]

there pointlights with bakery scripts attached

[graceful tartan]

it doesnt use the built in unity light

Ah ok. Weird setup but ok.

[outer nacelle]

i did also change them to regular bakery lights same result

[graceful tartan]

If you remove the unity light component from it it should remove the light icon too from the 3d object

Do you have a post processing volume thats turned on in the editor but not ingame?

I can see one there

[outer nacelle]

i do have it, setup with world toolkits, ill delete it and try again

same result with and without the post processing volume

[graceful tartan]

Grab a screenshot of one of the light's in the inspector for me?

[outer nacelle]

here ya go

[graceful tartan]

Hmm, looks normal

clear baked data and rebake?

[outer nacelle]

no luck, my lightmap dosent even look as highly concentrated as the in game view it looks like unity

ive had this problem before too, couldnt figure it out just made a new project but id like to avoid that if posible

ima just export my stuff try a new project and hope for the best see if anything changes

New project fixed it, i love unity ❤️

thanks for trying to help though i appreciate it

[graceful tartan]

That is weird.

[outer nacelle]

well atleast now i know how to export unity packages

but yeah very weird

[lyric heart]

When I make my environment gameobjects marked as Static or more specifically "Batching Static" they become solid black and seem unaffected by lighting/shader/emission
Why?

[glossy meteor]

they must be marked as contribute gi (and then enabled for lightmap static in the renderer, on by default) to be baked

[lyric heart]

I'm not trying to bake them I just want it to
"Combine the GameObject’s Mesh with other eligible Meshes, to potentially reduce runtime rendering costs."

[glossy meteor]

what's your lighting then?

[lyric heart]

Just a realtime directional light

[graceful tartan]

Ewwwwww

but to answer your question, you can expand the static options and uncheck the lighting related ones

[lyric heart]

I did

[lyric heart]

""Specifically "Batching Static" ""
As far as I'm aware isn't lighting related

[lyric heart]

Yeah yeah whatever it's not even my world I'm just trying to find easy ways to improve the look and performance of a friends world I'm not gonna go over baked lighting
And even still 1 realtime directional light is pretty minimal as far as that goes
If they had a bunch of point lights and reflective stuff or something yeah I'd getcha but it's fine ya doof

[mint cipher]

anyone got a good tutorial on bakery

[tepid chasm]

heh, good timing. I don't have a great tutorial on it, but I have something that'll get you started, @mint cipher . I just took a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDIOze0XndU and that seems to be fairly decent.

Which leads me to my question, what's the best method of lighting your avatar when using Bakery?

[mint cipher]

Yeah I saw that one but it doesn't really tell me much about what each thing actually does

also having a lot of issues sadly

[graceful tartan]

Light probes

[tepid chasm]

those work with the bakery lights to light up your avatar?

[graceful tartan]

Assuming you mean, how to light avatars that are in your world.

Then yes

[tepid chasm]

yeah. I wanted to make sure my avatar would be lit based on the surroundings, but wasn't sure if it was possible with just the bakery lights or not.

[graceful tartan]

Indeed. That is exactly what light probes are for.

[tepid chasm]

hmm, that'll be sweet then, since I just purchased Bakery. But was scratching my head on how to light up the avatar.

Most of the videos I've found related to VRC have only showed the world from unity, and not from within VRC itself.

(at least, with Bakery.)

[next owl]

light probes are basically a volume where each probe is a voxel that samples the lighting at its location

non-static objects will interpolate those light samples between probes as they move

[tepid chasm]

do I have to do anything special, like mess with the layer or tag?

[next owl]

objects that you're baking light into need to be tagged as static

[tepid chasm]

yeah, that one I figured out for bakery

just wanted to be sure about the light probes themselves

[next owl]

you don't need to do anything special for the probes, just place and bake

[tepid chasm]

I'm rendering and going to upload to test real quick

sweet

I might need to look up some light probe videos or something to get a good idea of placements for smaller light sources / larger light sources compared to room space and what not

might have to upgrade to the 4000 series cards when they come out, rendering isn't super fast on my 2060.

[next owl]

light probes are pretty cheap so don't worry about placing too many

[tepid chasm]

nice

whoop, the probes worked

easier than I thought

[peak warren]

So, is the built in light baker for unity just incapable of producing good results?

[tepid chasm]

I think it can produce good results, but probably requires a lot more effort to achieve those results.

but not entirely sure tbh

[peak warren]

Does anybody know if it's possible to bake the data unity needs for lightmaps using blender?

[next owl]

you can define a second UV set in blender and choose to use that instead of letting unity compute them

[peak warren]

I get that, but I'm not sure what I would actually bake. Like... are unity lightmaps just baked direct and indirect lighting? or is there more to it?

like, lightmaps baked by unity don't look like anything I've seen before.

[next owl]

lightmaps in unity aren't necessarily the same as just baking illumination in blender. they can store directional lighting information as well, depending on what mode you're using

[peak warren]

yeah... I've tried finding resources on it but it's been difficult. I'd speculate that the directional info is stored in the alpha

but I don't have any clue what the encoding or contents of that would be.

[mint cipher]

Bought bakery and MLP and now I feel like I'm just left with more work and things breaking, man I hate that it's hard to find good tutorials

[next owl]

if you have specific questions, ask them

it's pretty hard to help someone who says "it's broken"

[mint cipher]

I mainly just need good tutorial videos so I can get started on Bakery and MLP

Things are likely only breaking because I don't know what I'm doing

[lean whale]

This is a great video that gets posted a lot here. Definitely helped me get started with baked lighting/Bakery. I've never used/needed MLP though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKgUJccjWRU

[mint cipher]

Awesome I'll check it out I noticed in the timestamps it mentions bakery so hopefully I'll learn something there

Now I just need to get my hands on a MLP tutorial or guide of some sort

[lean whale]

Yup I'd still watch the whole thing though, they go over general lightmapping concepts first and then apply that knowledge to using bakery

Probes are pretty easy, like at least when you're starting out you can pretty much just use a big grid of them all over your world and call it a day, it won't be perfect but if you want more accurate lighting you can just redo them when you know more about it

[mint cipher]

Alright will do

[mint cipher]

I used to do that but it seems like MLP will get much better results

[lean whale]

Ah right on. Well I would hope a paid asset like that comes with a good quickstart guide or tutorial video

Or that it's just like, a one or two click process that magically does a good job

[mint cipher]

It had a super sped up tutorial that explained nothing xD

Maybe I missed something

It's supposed to be easy

[mint cipher]

Thanks to this video I learned somethings I was confused about earlier

[outer nacelle]

If i have bakery lightmaps, do i need to export anything else with them into a project without bakery for them to work/look the same as within a project that has bakery imported?

[sharp robin]

Only if you are using the bakery specific SH or RNM modes

And if you are & you are using udon you can use this https://github.com/z3y/UdonBakeryAdapter/releases/tag/v1.1.2 otherwise for SDK2 you would need this https://github.com/MerlinVR/VRC-Bakery-Adapter/releases/tag/v0.4

[outer nacelle]

havent changed any bakery settings but heres what my worlds look like first is with bakery second is the new scene with import in the project without bakery

[lean whale]

Do you have the Lighting Data asset from your scene as well, and is it assigned in the lighting panel here?

@outer nacelle

[outer nacelle]

yes it is

[lean whale]

Hmm yea I'm not sure then sry

[outer nacelle]

no worries

[lean whale]

Haven't tried that before but I'm curious too

[graceful tartan]

You do need to export it with a few files, i cant remeber which though

theres some documentation on it somewhere though

[outer nacelle]

kinda assumed i was missing some files, just didnt want to export the whole bakery package but thanks ill look into it more

if you do happen to remember just at me but ill look around

[graceful tartan]

I dont currently, but i can have a look later

[outer nacelle]

that would be much apreciated

[lean whale]

https://geom.io/bakery/wiki/index.php?title=How_do_I...#How_do_I_share_a_scene_with_someone_who_doesn.E2.80.99t_have_Bakery_installed.3F

Looks like you need those scripts as well

[outer nacelle]

you absolute g, ima try that now

[graceful tartan]

👍 Perfect, thats the one i was remebering.

[fresh yarrow]

hey, im getting the RTC_SUCCES error, but the docs only say to "enable rtx mode". i have a 3080; how would i do this?

[outer nacelle]

in this documentation, is the "scene" its referencing the temp bakery scene?

[graceful tartan]

The 'scene' is the one your baking.

[outer nacelle]

hmm must have missed a script then

[graceful tartan]

you obviously need to have the lightmap files as well as those ones too.

[outer nacelle]

yes yes i have thoes too

[lean whale]

Are those Bakery editor scripts in a folder called Editor?

[outer nacelle]

ye

are you trying this too rn?

[lean whale]

Did you re-copy the scene over after you copied the scripts?

[outer nacelle]

got it, must have missed a script

[lean whale]

No not now but I'm going to at some point

Oh its workin?

[outer nacelle]

i got it to work so reach out if you need help

[lean whale]

Ok sweet!

[outer nacelle]

ye thanks @graceful tartan

and you too jason

[lean whale]

Np glad ya got it

[outer nacelle]

the only difference betwenen my two tries is the temp scene, so i guess try that as a trouble shoot if it dosent work first go

[graceful tartan]

Sweet. Im gonna need to try that out too at some point so good to know it works.

Problem is if you do it to sell a world project and they want to change anything, they cant bake the lights again XD

Hmm.

[outer nacelle]

yeah thats why i questioned using bakery cuz i do wana sell this world but... yeah still a delema

[graceful tartan]

Bakery just makes everything look so much bettter though 😭

I understand the dilemma

[outer nacelle]

i know and it works so much faster

i guess you could leave some small props non static and let probes do the lighting work so they can edit thoes?

move/remove

[outer nacelle]

also misfits world is mint, good stuff

[graceful tartan]

Ty ty. Still slowly remaking lots of it since i've learned a lot since I first made a lot of it. ❤️

[outer nacelle]

fair enough, thats how i feel about my worlds

just gotta rework all my old wack work

[glossy meteor]

you can, just remove bakery
the lightmaps will still work
the buyer either needs to get bakery on their own or use unity's lightmapper

[mint cipher]

quick question boys

what bakery script do i add for spot lights

[next owl]

spot lights are effectively point lights

read bakery's manual if you haven't already

[mint cipher]

i think im on the manual

[green vault]

youd do bakery point light. but set it to “cookie” i believe. or cone (one of these options may crash the project)

actually. go to the bakery tab at the very top. theres a preset spawner for spot lights i believe

[mint cipher]

seems like it did that automatically

[mint cipher]

preset spawner?

[green vault]

yea

[mint cipher]

this is gonna sound dumb but what is that xd

[green vault]

like a prefab

[mint cipher]

im not really sure where that is in the options

[green vault]

the bakery drop down button

[mint cipher]

ahh i see now

also somewhat unrelated

getting this when im trying to calculate volume with MLP

it just having so many problems now with these new programs

think i fixed it

[mint cipher]

nvm

it jsut

just

loves to pop back up

[mint cipher]

keep trying to look up the issue but there is nothing relevant to my situation

[dense cloud]

I messed my project up heavily and the backup i tried making didn't work. I managed to somewhat fix it, however my lights are still messed up. This is a spotlight that works normal, however it is ALSO acting as a point light, the lighting you see in the picture is not intended at all, and should only be a small circle of lighting, the problem is, the real light is in there still. When I disable the spotlight, it also removes the unintended light. I have no idea what settings have made this happen, the exact effect is happening to the rest of the project, but it isn't just that. All lights in the world cannot be selected in the scene, but only from the hierarchy. Idk what to do from here, what settings to fix and such. This all happened because I installed High Definition Render Pipeline

when I search for it on the hiera, it appears, otherwise this is how it is permanently, even selected. I cannot edit the size of it using the scene anymore. I have now uninstalled HDRP

[lean whale]

Click "Gizmos" in the Scene view toolbar

[lean whale]

Regarding the spotlight, does it work if you set Render Mode to Important?

[dense cloud]

it didn't change

(Gizmo fixed the lights not appearing btw. thank you for that)

[lean whale]

Hmm what if you increase this number in project settings > quality?

You definitely have too many realtime lights in your scene, once it hits this number Unity will change the way lights behave to simplify them. VRChat keeps this number at 8 maximum, but you can increase it while you're in the editor just to see what things look like. Having lots of realtime lights hurt performance which is why light baking is so important

[dense cloud]

hasn't changed the behaviour

[dense cloud]

The lighting issue only came up after I did stuff with HDRP. Do you think that would have changed any important settings?

[lean whale]

I mean probably yea, that's a big chunky thing to install that totally changes how rendering works, definitely could have borked something

How about if you click this at the bottom of the lighting tab

Clear Baked Data

[dense cloud]

wasn't that either

[lean whale]

Hmmm. This is set to none?

[dense cloud]

found out

[lean whale]

Ooh what was it

[dense cloud]

So. Mobile shaders were enabled.... not standard... THAT WAS IT. I can't thank you enough for helping dude, seriously. I'm so so sorry i'm this stupid

[lean whale]

Oh snap good catch, I wasn't even thinkin bout materials

No worries this stuff ain't easy

[fresh yarrow]

does anyone know how to effect GI with an emmissive rendertexture? so that the whole room lights up and changes dynamically with a tv screen / movie.

like this person's scene
https://imgur.com/T316bRR

[fallow lark]

https://github.com/pimaker/ltcgi

[peak warren]

I've tried dabbling with light baking many times in the past but have never gotten a result that's even close to what I find in other worlds on VRC. No matter what settings I use I often get massive ugly seams on the boundaries of my UVs like this:

here's my lightmapping settings:

there's only two static objects in this world, this cup of geckos and the floor.

the lightmap is 4k but it's super blocky and doesn't even use the whole space...

it looks so baaaad....

[rugged harness]

Did you check "Generate Lightmap UV's" on the mesh import settings?

[peak warren]

No, I want to use my own. This mesh has a second UV that created for the lightmaps.

[rugged harness]

Ok, but have you tested baking with it enabled anyways to see the result?

[peak warren]

I'll try that again, but that hasn't really helped in the past.

here's the result

[peak warren]

Is there anything in my scene settings that I should adjust?

I should note that generating lighting also takes suspiciously little time...

[rugged harness]

I thought that too, but There's nothing that stands out to me unfortunately. Maybe try following the pinned video's settings and see if that makes a difference

[peak warren]

will do

[oak elbow]

Try more samples, possible you got hard shadows on the lights? Maybe try with soft shadowing instead

[peak warren]

increasing the samples seems to help. Also the CPU progressive took way longer but had better results... I'm wondering if it means anything that during the baking my mesh has large UV islands all black?

[outer nacelle]

yeah i find alot of artifacting/problems with the built in gpu lightmapper when i used to try it

[peak warren]

I only have one light source in the scene for the sun, and I'm using the skybox as my ambient lighting.

I would much prefer to bake in blender if anyone has some resources on how unity lightmaps are actually encoded.

[outer nacelle]

not sure about that specifically, but if you have cash burning a hole in your pocket bakery has worked amazing for me but i get what your saying

[oak elbow]

During baking it finds what faces needs it, and etc. It's completely normal to have different faces have different color. It's all about what it looks like at the end. Though, it could potentially also mean that part of the mesh has duplicated/separated vertices.

[peak warren]

so far the CPU bake, while taking way longer, avoids any artifacts like the GPU bake produces.

I'd still like to be able to use my 2080ti, though.

[sharp robin]

You could try this to see if it helps

As for it not taking up the whole lightmap area you could try increase the lightmap scale on the mesh renderer

[peak warren]

I'll give that a try. I don't fully understand the backface test... but... I wonder if the lid of my cup being a backface might be causing so many artifacts?

Like the roof of the cup is just one big backface

[shell belfry]

was working on light baking, the bake came out awfull so i cleared it now all the lighting is flat and none of the light sorces work at all???

[shell belfry]

recovered some of it but the lighting in what was the dark room is stuck flat even with a totally different shader on top

(Before i tried baking)

[lean whale]

Did you clear the baked data from the bottom of the lighting panel?

[shell belfry]

yeah thats what caused the lighting to become flat

the origional bake was really scuffed but i fixed it so the bakes look decent again but the lighting in the project still seems pretty scuffed and light in every dark area

[lean whale]

Hmm what if you click this button in the scene view toolbar

[shell belfry]

i, think.... i might be er... pretty dumb

yeah that was it, how... after 500+ hours do i make a mistake like that >.>

[lean whale]

Heh I've been there. Unity is full of tiny little buttons and toggles and hidden settings that'll mess everything up 😭

[shell belfry]

ah right ok that might not have been that

looks ok in the project window but in the game window its back to flat

[shell belfry]

ok new issue, only one of my 3 light points are baking?

[glossy meteor]

can you show the point light settings?

[shell belfry]

turns out there was an issue with the FBX when i reset the lighting maps that for some reason deleted the UV2's on the FBX

[harsh radish]

Hi! so i have a pool that i wanna add some lights to on the sides. shown in the picture. but they dont seem to emit any light? i have a mesh for all the water inside the pool. and a plane on top for the surface water. i assume its cause of the mesh with water underneath. that it dosent emit any light? its bassicly just a box with a underwater shader. do i need to enable something on the box for the light to emit through/inside of it?

idk if its just the shader im using

[glossy meteor]

have you baked the lights or are these realtime?

[harsh radish]

They are baked lights baked with Bakery

[glossy meteor]

is the pool ground static?

how does the material look?

of the pool floor

[harsh radish]

Ahhh i hadnt marked it as static actually dont know why. could mayve be that!

[harsh radish]

let me try to bake again quickly

thank you

[glossy meteor]

good, the material looks ok, sometimes people put dark albedos

[harsh radish]

Ahh i see! gonna try to bake it quickly and see if i just had to mark it as static. i feel like that might be it

since it worked in the viewport

[mint cipher]

Nice water shader where did you get it?

[harsh radish]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/32252234

[mint cipher]

thanks

[mint cipher]

hey boys

I am not sure what I am doing wrong here

but

my lights dont want to bake

at all

using bakery

[nova lynx]

did you use any tutorial?

[mint cipher]

yes

things were working before

now they just dont

idk how to explain it

iv added bakery scripts to every light source and did it correctly

but when i go to render it, it gets stuck at rendering lightmaps, preparing

and doesnt actually bake anything

[nova lynx]

Umm, I do know that if you have a mirror active in the world, it prevents it from rendering, like it will loop constantly, do you have a mirror currently like on?

[mint cipher]

i have no mirrors in the world

[nova lynx]

What tutorial are you using so I can see

[mint cipher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDIOze0XndU

im disabling my light probes i use with MLP and trying to bake and see what happens

[nova lynx]

Yeah I have no clue what he's using to bake, like his settings. I have this tutorial here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKgUJccjWRU

This is one I used, he goes into depth on how to bake everything, he does use bakery too. I have 0 experience using bakery, I just am not paying for that to make vrc worlds

[mint cipher]

baked but its acting like i have no lights in the world

[nova lynx]

Are your objects static?

[mint cipher]

iv seen this too but ill revisit it

[mint cipher]

yup

[nova lynx]

And on any 3d models you imported you applied the UV map to them?

[mint cipher]

all of them should have lightmaps generated but ill check UV

[nova lynx]

Okay

[mint cipher]

ye i have em

[nova lynx]

But yeah, unfortunately like I said, I don't own bakery and don't plan on owning it, so I couldn't help you with it. My best plan is to try to bake without bakery and see how it goes. Can you SS your lighting settings?

[mint cipher]

ill ss my bakery setting and lighting settings but bakery doesnt seem to use unity's lighting settings

[next owl]

yeah bakery is going to ignore that shit

[mint cipher]

^

[next owl]

so bakery is getting "stuck"? it just sits on the "preparing" thing forever? no errors in the console? does it ever get unstuck or do you have to restart?

[mint cipher]

yeah it gets stuck or it finishes but nothing changed

i onyl get 1 error

which i think is irrelevant

i am gonna try to make the rror show up again

[nova lynx]

Ah I didnt know bakery ignores personal settings

[next owl]

you can also use the bakery menu to clear all your bake data, might be worth just purging what's there

bakery uses its own lightmapping settings

[mint cipher]

thats actually a good idea

this is the error

oh i just read it

its definitely the problem

every place i search online for this error

is jsut

just

irrelevant

[nova lynx]

Yeah personally the best help I can give you is settings without bakery. The only other thing I can ask you too is are your lights on bake mode?

[mint cipher]

yes

[nova lynx]

And are they intense enough

[mint cipher]

all lights are baked. all lights are properly set up

they worked before

[nova lynx]

Like for my home world my ceiling light has an intensity of 75

[mint cipher]

it looked amazing

now

it looks like shit

[next owl]

okay, so what changed?

[mint cipher]

it just doesnt render

its black

[next owl]

did you modify the meshes, for example?

[mint cipher]

everything is darkness

[next owl]

did you update drivers recently? anything else that may have triggered this?

[mint cipher]

the only thing i modified was adding bakery and MLP scripts to the lights

now

they just dont work

[next owl]

remove MLP and try again

[mint cipher]

like completely delete it from the project?

[next owl]

yeah. backup your project, then nuke MLP completely

[mint cipher]

backing up rn

[mint cipher]

completely removed MLP

and nothing changed when i try to render

[next owl]

ok. you deleted all lightmapping in the scene first? what exactly happens when you hit the bake button?

[mint cipher]

all lightmaps and baked data gone

imma hit render

and show you what pops up

it works normally for a sec

then

this pops up

and

i get this error message

this error is definitely responsible for the problems

[next owl]

never seen it before. you have an nvidia GPU right?

[mint cipher]

i do

and this popped up now

and i think its the object in the error

i gave a nvidia gpu 2060 6gb RTX

[next owl]

yeah just making sure

[next owl]

i'd delete all bake data from the scene, there's a bakery menu option to do this

if that !ftraceLightmaps thing still exists after you do that, try blowing it up

then rebake

[mint cipher]

this right?

[next owl]

yes

[mint cipher]

hit clear its still there

so imma delete it

hitting render

same issue

except it just instantly failed

[next owl]

i'm out of ideas dude. it'd be worth setting up a clean slate project and seeing if you're getting the same bug? but i don't know what you're dealing with right now.

https://github.com/guycalledfrank/bakery-issues/issues

that's their bug tracker. you could submit an issue / contact the author via the unity asset store

[mint cipher]

man this is very hard to hear

i dont know what to do either

i have located a general idea of where the problem lies

i toggled off all bakery scripts on the lights

now it works

so its something to do with

okay found even more info

all point lights being enabled with scripts workas

the errors lies in the area lights

[lean whale]

Can you share your inspector for an area light

[mint cipher]

might be mesh render issues

but idk how to deal with that

if i add mesh render it asks for mesh filter then asks for matieral

[next owl]

apply the light mesh component to an actual mesh, like a grid. area lights are effectively softboxes

[mint cipher]

what do i apply to area lights then?

[lean whale]

What if you click "match lights to meshes/area lights"

That should set it up for you I believe

[mint cipher]

nothing happens due to the error

[lean whale]

Ah

[lean whale]

Well yea if it's like a rectangle just put a quad on it

That matches the shape you want

And then match lights to mesh

[mint cipher]

how do i add that?

[mint cipher]

^

[lean whale]

Wait. Can you show the rest of your inspector

The non bakery area light component

[mint cipher]

some are set as area

and some arent

and idk why

[lean whale]

I mean, aren't they set as area because you set them that way because that's the lighting you want?

[mint cipher]

they came in that way from their prefabs

[lean whale]

But anyway: bakery light mesh is not for spot lights

Spot lights should use bakery point light

Not bakery light mesh

[next owl]

bakery light mesh will not work on spots

[mint cipher]

yeah i just noticed some of them were lies so ill fix those

i guess prefab just fucked them up

so those will be on my list

man it sucks that i have to hop off unity once i get a lead on how to fix problems xD

[lean whale]

Did they come with the bakery scripts added?

[mint cipher]

no they didnt

[lean whale]

Yea so it sounds like the prefabs weren't messed up, you just added the wrong bakery scripts

[mint cipher]

i had to manually add them but i did them in batches so thats likely why its messed up

[lean whale]

Ah

[mint cipher]

i just high lighted all things named area light and add the component

same with point lights and spot lights

it was quicker but little did i know some of them were named area light but they were actually point lights

so thats my bad

[lean whale]

Ahh then yeah guess they were named incorrectly

[mint cipher]

mhm

hopefully thats just the issue

but

ill have to look into it after work sadly

[lean whale]

Yea that's gotta be where the error was coming from

[mint cipher]

hopefully

thank you for pointing that out for me

i hope i can fix it

[south yarrow]

Is there a way to exclude specific game objects from post processing?

[modest vapor]

Everything gets affected by post processing, no way around it

[verbal cape]

wait, really? whats the point in the post processing layers then? I thought Unity's post processing was layer based?

[modest vapor]

It's the camera's layer that's relevant

[verbal cape]

ah kk

[mental charm]

so i have post processing and whatever, but i want to know how i could get more glow to come around the front side and emit more light to around the front

[glossy meteor]

increase the intensity of the material's emission

also set the emission to baked and then light-bake it

[mental charm]

EXCUSE ME

please tell me how i can lower this lmao

[oak elbow]

Either GPU bake or bakery would lower it. Potentially stats as well.

[glossy meteor]

we need more information.. what lightmapper? what settings?

[shell belfry]

How would i best go about baking lightmaps with the VRCBCE Billiards? if i make it static it breaks it, but when i bake it, it goes compleatly black?

hmm, ok so... not sure what happend but the lighting on some stuff like the billiards table seems to have gone very dark no matter then intensity?

(turns out it was a culling thing, but a new issue is, how do i get unculled light with shadows that doesnt roflstomp framerates?

main thing im struggling with atm is trying to light the world + players without pushing real time shadows

but with shadows turned off the dark room i have lights up, so im stuck for how to treat it

[pallid flint]

do you have light probes in the world? [if not, non-static objects won't get any baked light whatsoever]
you should be able to make only parts of the prefab static[namely the main mesh of the table], while leaving the other objects on the prefab dynamic

[shell belfry]

ye, was using bakery

[glossy meteor]

you don't need batching static
only the contribute gi as static flag to bake objects

[shell belfry]

yeeee figured it out, i think its just trying to get the player lighing right for mirrors cause the lights dont come from the mirrors, its dark

not sure how to tackle it

[mint cipher]

Dear god

[shell belfry]

another something, how best could i get these spot lights to fall off nicely, se look very flat?

[fresh yarrow]

is there a way to make bakery's lights appear on avatars? Ingame everyone is pitch black while the world is lightmapped.

[next owl]

you need light probes

[fresh yarrow]

oh, should I do anything special for bakery or just google a general light probe tutorial

[next owl]

it's the same process, nothing special for bakery. just place the probes in your scene, any tutorial ought to be fine

light probes are very cheap so you don't have to worry too much about optimization. just place them anywhere the light is going to change for dynamic objects. a loose grid pattern is fine to start, then place higher densities in areas where the lighting is transitioning

[mental charm]

this is my lighting settings

https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/simple-light-probe-placer-58290

@fresh yarrow

[mental charm]

BRUH

this is all the world is ;-;

[mint cipher]

where is your light probes?

also what kind of pc do you have

[next owl]

sounds like your lightmap density is far too high

[mint cipher]

yeah something is up

that is an insane time

[mental charm]

my lighting settings

do i have too many ;-; idk what im doing lmao

[mint cipher]

rn i am using MLP & bakery and my time is about 5min per bake and its a very big map

and i got wayyyyy more probes

[mental charm]

MLP?

[mint cipher]

magic light probes

it places the probes for you

[mental charm]

i used an auto placer aswell

[mental charm]

dis one

[mint cipher]

thats what the auto placer did?

damn lmao

[mental charm]

yeah

[mint cipher]

ill show you what mine did once im done baking

[mental charm]

alright

i can change how many there are

its not like auto auto

[mint cipher]

i dont think the probes are the problem

it has to be some kind of setting

something must be set too high

have you done bakes before that werent this long?

[mental charm]

yeah but that was only to test if some thing would look how i wanted it to

before lightprobes and everything else

[mint cipher]

how long were those bakes

[mental charm]

mm

10-30 mins i dont really remember

too long i feel

[mint cipher]

hmm

yeah

sounds like it

did you change settings after those bakes?

[mental charm]

nope

[mental charm]

jeeez lol

[mint cipher]

yeah very different xd

[mental charm]

veryyyyy

[mint cipher]

seems to be a lot more accurate

im still getting used to bakery

things seem very different

some parts are def higher quality

some parts are just very dark

[mental charm]

yeah

[mental charm]

what do you recommend i do to try to lower bake times? cause im scared of doing a 30+ hour bake LMAO

[mint cipher]

its really tricky to explain

there can be many factors effecting it

[mental charm]

that looks awesome

jesus i cannot type LOL

[mint cipher]

for that pic the lighting is very good but the walls are veryyyyd ark

also thank you

[mental charm]

yeah i can see

[mint cipher]

there is def a problem

these lights arent doing anything to the wall

which is odd

ohhh

i just realized

what could be causing long bake times

this is a problem i had

check your task manager

[mental charm]

gotta get better lighting on this world aswell

[mint cipher]

when you start bake

back when i used normal light mapper

[mental charm]

yeah ive had an issue with point lights doing nothing after a bake sometimes

[mint cipher]

my cpu would always go to 100% that means it was at full power and it went very fast

sometimes

it would be like 30%

[mental charm]

lemme try

[mint cipher]

and the times would take ages

so i rebooted pc

and it went to 100% after i started

[mental charm]

yup, cpu 100

[mint cipher]

and its still that long?

damnn wtf

[mental charm]

still says "Baking..." right now

[mint cipher]

hmm lets see the time then

[mental charm]

yeah waitin on it

you know what. it might be some of the bushes i have and the "carpet" made out of retextured gras?

[mint cipher]

try disabling them

or turning off static

and try again

for those objects

[mental charm]

44 hours KEK

yeah ima try just disabling them

[mint cipher]

i wish i could provide more better answers but im still pretty new too

[mental charm]

nooo youre alright

[mint cipher]

i only got 4 months of unity vrchat worlds under my belt

and lighting was never my strong suit

[mental charm]

50 hours KEKW

[mint cipher]

BRUHH

[mental charm]

LOLOL

[mint cipher]

next thing i can think of is to try and reset light mapper settings

[mental charm]

alright i disabled em

[mint cipher]

sadly these things are just trial and error

you gotta keep trying to narrow down the problem

[mental charm]

reset lighting settings aswell

[mint cipher]

i had 3 what i like to call "unity fail days" where i spent the entire day trying to fix one or more problems and fail xD

finally figured out my issue after 3 days

[mental charm]

KEKW happened to me aswell before

[mint cipher]

all apart of the learning curve xd

[mental charm]

it was either the grass and bushes, or lighting settings