world-lighting

[stone agate]

That exists?

[modest vapor]

ye

[stone agate]

I'll try to remember that

[delicate sand]

50 dollars ouch !

[stone agate]

If you do a lot of world building, editor assets are among the most useful things you can buy
But you can also just do it manually

[modest vapor]

@delicate sand magic light probe might also be good

[pine trench]

Just looking for opinions on this, would this be too dark for vr users? Someone told me my older screenshots looked way too dark so I brightened it up a little.

[modest vapor]

That would be fine

[pine trench]

Awesome thanks 👍

[delicate sand]

modify the build a lot but when i try local build it build the last build not the new ??

Can i reset or delete something i have reset the gi cache !

[modest vapor]

you probably have errors in your console

@delicate sand

[delicate sand]

no error

[modest vapor]

mmh, any warnings ?

[modest vapor]

Have you restarted unity ?

[delicate sand]

yes

[modest vapor]

i'm not too sure then, worth trying an actual upload to be certain

[delicate sand]

ok will try that

[delicate sand]

Actual upload did load but not work, but return error so i delete the faulty script, now i can continue Thank ! For the discrepancy in the light i don't know why i build a floor it was ok copy it over the other and have light problem, put them side by side and no problem, so be it !

[mint cipher]

hey so im having a problem were whenever i go to bake my world
my unity crashes
any idea on how i could fix it?
its a big map but i have never had this issue before
i restarted my pc, and tried using progressive gpu when baking

[modest vapor]

Have you cleared your GI cache recently ? @mint cipher

[mint cipher]

Yes I cleared all my baked data

As well as trying to only bake the reflection probes

But I keep crashing and my gpu and CPU spike to a hundred each time before I crash (depending if I have it on progressive GPU or Progressive CPU)

@modest vapor

[modest vapor]

but did you clear the gi cache

baked data is different

[mint cipher]

Ahhh I see

I haven’t tried that yet

Lemme do it now

[modest vapor]

Also if you have an ndivia gpu, we'll always recommend spending a bit of money to get the Bakery asset, it makes lightmapping much much faster and look much better

[mint cipher]

Ok cool I’ll look into that

Also by clearing my gi cache will it possibly mess anything up in my scene?

My cache is 9 gigs

[modest vapor]

nah, it's just old data cached

restart unity after that and try again

also post your settings here just in case

and screenshot of what you're trying to bake

[modest vapor]

oh

Lightmap size should be at 4k

also are you still using realtime lights in your scene ?

[mint cipher]

ye i put it at 64 because i have such a huge map i was thinking that maybe the lightmap size needed to be smaller

and no im only using a few realtime lights...and those r the spotlights

my bf managed to get it work on enlighten setting but i dont like the way it turned out

[modest vapor]

oh

That's a lot of reflection probes

[mint cipher]

hahahaha yes i know

but my entire map is mostly made of reflective mats

like the flooring and walls

[modest vapor]

Does it look bad with a single reflection probe with box projection encompassing the room ?

[mint cipher]

ye when i did that there were places that looked completely off

but tbh this is my first world

so i prob could do something better

idk im not a pro at lighting XD

[modest vapor]

No one is don't worry lmao

Bakery helps a ton though

[mint cipher]

ye im def gonna get that and try it out for this map

question real quick

im about to delete my cache

will that delete the current lighting?

[modest vapor]

I believe it will yes

it's every bake you've made basically

including your latest

hence the 9gb

[mint cipher]

ahh i see ok ok

damn

it keeps crashing

i put it back to progressive gpu

and increased the size to 512

[modest vapor]

So when you said either cpu or gpu spikes, it's running out of both ?

[mint cipher]

no its running out either or

depending on wether or not i choose gpu or cpu in lighting settings

but it works when i bake using enlighten...just takes forever

and tbh i dont like the results

[modest vapor]

You should try 4k lightmap though

[elfin bay]

Hey.. whats up... somebody know how i can fix my light flickering? Thhxxxxx

[modest vapor]

Have less lights or bake them @elfin bay

[elfin bay]

I bake now every light.. and everything work fine. Thx

[proven locust]

pre bake

and post bake

why does it look so horrid?? ;_;

here are lighting settings

[ancient ravine]

@proven locust Try just 20 on Lightmap Res Tex per Unity and 4K res

Baking at 4k allows more room for lightmaps

[proven locust]

rgr

[ancient ravine]

Also you could try using bakery. if you have that GPU lightmapper

[proven locust]

it looks great but covid killed my wallet ;_;

ye 20res @ 4k

no dice

is it a problem with my meshes?

[ancient ravine]

Did u make sure the fbx has Generate Lightmap UVs checked under MODEL tab

[proven locust]

yea

[ancient ravine]

whats your point light settigns

[ancient ravine]

huh

[proven locust]

right?

unity lighting is whack

[ancient ravine]

On your meshes.

Trying increasing the lightmap scale just a bit

like to 1.5 or 2

Under mesh renderer

[proven locust]

okay baking rn

side note this seems to be on most my meshes

[ancient ravine]

strange

[proven locust]

lightmap uvs were generated tho

[modest vapor]

You should merge all those items in blender and generate lightmap UVs over there

[proven locust]

yea think im gonna, cheers for the help

[mint cipher]

Yo, my post processing ambient occlusion is visible through my vrc_mirror, tried moving it around the layers but it doesnt seem to fix itself. none of the other post effects seem to be effecting it.

[modest vapor]

post processing AO is terrible in vr, highly suggest not using it

[mint cipher]

Alright i try bake it in, Thanks dude

[autumn cove]

Having trouble getting the player, player local layers for light. All I see if the normal layers for lighting before the sdk was imported.

I have imported the sdk before anything else,when i copied over the project to a new one all i copied was the assets

I am just confused.

[supple loom]

You need to setup the layers from the sdk builder tab

[autumn cove]

ah my bad

[viral ruin]

Hello 🙂 I seem to be having issues with getting my post processing to work in Vrchat. I want it to look like this but when i upload my map onto Vrchat it seems to have no bloom or anything at all.

Does it have to do if i switch off the sun icon it looks like this as it looks like this as well in Vrchat?

[modest vapor]

Which tutorial did you follow

[dim ether]

where can i find a kirito avatar with the swords?

[viral ruin]

sadly i can't remember since i worked on this months ago was loads of tutorial videos and was really frustrated when i was unable to figure it out and came back to it again today. I did read this one today and tried it though https://gitlab.com/s-ilent/SCSS/-/wikis/Other/Post-Processing

[dim ether]

=>= is anyone going to answer my question?

[modest vapor]

@viral ruin Yeah, follow all the steps and it'll work

@dim ether This is a channel for world lighting, no one is going to answer your question

[fluid mirage]

so whenever I try to generate or bake anything to do with lighting, be it generating lighting or baking reflection probes, etc, sometimes, for seemingly no reason, it just gets stuck. it will say preparing to bake, but then it will stay on "Baking..." forever with no real progress at all
what can cause this?

[modest vapor]

Having too much in a scene, or errors on specific meshes

[fluid mirage]

I think i found it's issue
Maybe
one light was set to an "interactive" layer accidentally, as soon as i changed that it started working

oops

[viral ruin]

So i tried following through the guide again but i still have it where when i go to upload my world it looks like this on the upload screen. I am not sure if i am using the wrong Post Processing version or if i have not checked something? I am not sure /:

But there seems to be no bloom at all

[sonic marsh]

You've got the reference camera set correctly?

[modest vapor]

@viral ruin Are you still using the default layer ?

[viral ruin]

Oh! Yes i am o.o

I switched it and now it does not show up at all o.o Is there something i have to do to have it focus on that layer?

It says to make it the Water Layer so i made it that

[supple loom]

You can try the world debugger in my world tools it should identify the wrong setting
https://github.com/oneVR/VRWorldToolkit/releases

Though make sure you are on the sdk that was released last week as it is dependent on that if you choose to give it a go

[viral ruin]

Shall do! Thank you so much and i apologize for so many questions. I just have been stuck on this for a long time. I really am grateful
for the help!

[viral ruin]

Ah! It showed me right away what it was! Thank you! 🙂

[supple loom]

👌

[fallow lark]

that definitely looks like a helpful tool

[fluid mirage]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/676922803781500938/735581225674080336/Untitled.png
what am i doing wrong here? Left is realtime, right is baked. I have my reflection probes and my light probes, I've followed Xiexe's tutorial for doing lights
but when i bake lights, it looks like that.

[fallow lark]

did you generate lightmap uvs for your objects and set them to static

[fluid mirage]

I set the object to static, i did not generate lightmap UVs on the mesh no
i'd read that was a thing but... the last time i tried my Unity just sits at a 0% loading bar once I hit apply, with no real indication that it's actually moving forward, so I tried to go without it

[fallow lark]

yeah that's probably your problem as light baking requires light Map UVs

[real sluice]

Hello! so i have a lighting problem in my world, my world is a relatively dark world in a forest, The Moon (Sun) is casting its light onto the trees and then the trees make their shadow, but when the trees are not in view distance of the player the tree dissapears to prevent lag, But it also gets rid of its shadow data, How do i prevent the shadow from going away?

[gilded niche]

@real sluice Do you have your light baked to the scene? That should permanently stick your shadows to the world.

I'm getting some weird noise in my light baking. I'm thinking it's probably just because the light map isn't detailed enough in the parts with more complex geometry. How can I allocate more of the map to the details and less to the big empty walls?

[modest vapor]

Did you make the lightmap yourself ?

[gilded niche]

I modeled/UV mapped it in Blender and generated the lightmap in Unity.

[modest vapor]

you should generate your lightmap in blender too

[gilded niche]

I tried shrinking UVs of the walls in Blender, but Unity seems to have ignored my effort and scaled each of them back to the size of of individual objects. I guess they need to be combined into a single object?
And I discovered 'Lightmap Pack' within the unwrapping options, but having the machine do it all it seems to have generally made everything worse.
@modest vapor Are you suggesting I should bake lights within Blender, or is it possible/advisable to make a UV(light)map separate from the UV(diffuse)map within blender and then import that into Unity for baking?

[modest vapor]

Uvmap and uv lightmap are two completely different use cases

they're their own separate entity

If you want to bake in blender into a diffuse, that works, if you want to bake in unity onto a lightmap, that also works

But that's not how a lightmap should look like for such an object imo

not surprised you have artifacts

[fluid mirage]

ok so ive done all the stuff relating to baking my lights, I followed Xiexe's tutorial even- and it looks good. but the moment I enter play mode, or build the scene, (such as hitting build and test) it breaks all the lighting as if it isnt saving it, or something
why is this?

[modest vapor]

Any console errors ?

[fluid mirage]

there's a few relating to VRC chairs not being initialized on time, and a few others but there doesnt seem to be anything that relates to lighting or anything like that

is there any steps im supposed to maybe take after all is baked? like anything to turn off or anything like that maybe?

[modest vapor]

Are you baking with Unity's lightmapper ?

[fluid mirage]

im using unity, no bakery or anything like that

[modest vapor]

You set lights to baked, all meshes have generated lightmap uvs and they're static ?

[fluid mirage]

anything that is static for the purposes of baking is static and has UV's

I wonder though.
I do still maintain a single directional light.
Basically the way i have it set up is the interior of the place is baked for the purposes of point lights and such, the exterior has a single directional light set to realtime

again it all works fine until i build, at which point all the baked goods go poof

[modest vapor]

That kind of kills the point of light baking, but i guess sometimes there's no alternative

What do your lightmaps look like ?

[fluid mirage]

looking at it now, they become black when hitting play mode...

I had a nicely done lightmap

but this seems to be the issue. lightmap goes black when I build scene

[modest vapor]

Do you have auto generate on ?

[fluid mirage]

I definitely dont

which is why it baffles me

[modest vapor]

You should go to the preferences tab and clear your GI cache

clear baked data in lighting window, restart unity and post screenshot of your settings/scene

[modest vapor]

what about your lights ?

Did you duplicate your scene or scene objects ?

[fluid mirage]

ok, so, i think i solved it.
turns out I did still have some bakery stuff in the project, so despite trying to not use it, it was still getting in the way, as things like lightmaps were getting placed in bakery's folders
after fully removing it it no longer has that issue

thank you though

probably wouldn't have figured that out

[modest vapor]

my next questions was going to be in which folders the lightmaps were Good that you fixed it !

[fluid mirage]

yeah i hadnt thought to check that lmao

wouldve been over a lot sooner

[vestal hedge]

Hey, does anyone have any idea why this weird shadow issue occurs on some object?

[supple loom]

Looks like missing lightmap uv's you can enable their generation in the model import settings

My world tools can also help find them automatically with the world debugger included
https://github.com/oneVR/VRWorldToolkit/releases

[vestal hedge]

I see, will try. Thank you

I have quite few UVs missing warnings in the log, but it does not tell me which model. double click just asks for external software

those vrworldtools look great. unfortunately latest SDK3 does not work me, build window just disapears

[supple loom]

You are on a older sdk3?

[vestal hedge]

I was on one version back

latest just does this

[supple loom]

I can help you fix what's causing that as well

[vestal hedge]

oh

[supple loom]

Would just need to have a look at your console

[vestal hedge]

these are errors. there is a lot of warnings tho

The type or namespace name 'UdonGraphProgramAsset' could not be found (are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?)

[supple loom]

Did you delete the udon folder before importing the new version in?

[vestal hedge]

no, I can try

[supple loom]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/updating-the-sdk

Important parts

[vestal hedge]

oh yes, now sdk and world debugger world. thank you very much

[supple loom]

👍

You should get a list like this of the problem models

[vestal hedge]

yup, just going trough it. this is super useful 👍

[supple loom]

If any of my tools give you trouble don't be afraid of bothering me 👌

[vestal hedge]

it even shows build size. I was so missing that info

[vestal hedge]

I'm still getting this error Mesh doesn't have albedo UVs. Consider creating them in your modelling package.

not sure if it will cause issues. baking lights takes forever now for some reason

[supple loom]

Albedo UVs? 🤔

[vestal hedge]

yeah, I have a bunch of those errors

[supple loom]

That would sound like there's no uvs at all on those models

Can you show more what the console shows?

[vestal hedge]

oh, thats a full message, except time stamp

[supple loom]

Does double clicking help reveal the object

[vestal hedge]

yes

well, it opens the fbx in external software

[supple loom]

Can you dm me the fbx

[keen delta]

why my tree black?

it's full of purple lights in it, yet it's still black

help

[keen delta]

please help

[fluid mirage]

select the asset in your assets folder and under "model" check "generate lightmap UVs" and hit apply

@keen delta

[keen delta]

thank you

[fluid mirage]

Now I have a question too-
question, when i bake my directional light, it doesnt seem to keep the tint I put on it
anyone know why?
It's a nighttime deal so I have a slight blue/cold tinge to the light, but when baked, doesnt seem to be there

[modest vapor]

I think that's a 2018 bug with color

[fluid mirage]

based

[modest vapor]

#udon-general

[nova lynx]

I need help with my world, only some of my lights (all point) they like, flicker. Like when you step away, they like turn off, was wondering if there is any fix to this, if it makes it easier I can always screen share in a dm call if needed, just @ me

[cunning mirage]

Could be janky occlusion culling

[nova lynx]

I dont have any occlusion baked though

[supple loom]

Real time lighting limits more likely

Bake yo lights or have less of them

[proven fractal]

ye Unity can't run much more than a few real-time lightsources, baking is the only option to have as much lighting as you want.

[compact flume]

anybody got a good guide for lightning an outdoor/indoor world?

[nova lynx]

@supple loom @proven fractal Noted, thanks! If you two have any tutorials as well or can give me your bake light settings if possible that would be much help

[proven fractal]

Check pinned messages

[bold slate]

So my day night toggle is looking really good, but only one problem. The water in the scene (outdoor pool) reflects the start skybox (day) and not the switched skybox material (night). So at night, you still see the day skybox reflected. Am using the "Silent/Clear water 2" shader. What would be the best way to get around this? custom reflection probe for that area?

[modest vapor]

Yes, very low quality realtime if replacing doesn't work

[bold slate]

reflection probe and a box around the pool with the texture I want reflected

like a miniskybox

[modest vapor]

I'm not sure why your water wouldn't reflect the correct one though, ho are you changing the skybox ? Is that a material ?

[bold slate]

yes

button that changes skybox mat.

and the main directional light

I think the reflection on the water is baked

oh duh its the environmental reflections, I could set a different cubemap for that

[nova lynx]

So question what setting would I adjust to make my ceiling light up a bit more? I'm using area lights but they only light up the room not the ceiling

That black part is the ceiling I'm trying to have more lighting on it

[rapid isle]

emission coming from the light can also be used put a white texture on it the em slot and put it to w/e brightness you want

[nova lynx]

I did and just baked them and it didn't work

[lucid onyx]

Guys, how do i block light? I got a extra Room very very far away from my main World/Light source and it looks like a bright star in the sky haha.

[nova lynx]

Potentially you could just put a sphere over both rooms, and just invert it and make the sphere the skybox. But I bet there's definitely a better way that's just the way I thought could work. @lucid onyx

[proven fractal]

could it be that indirect lighting is not being baked?

there should be some bounce lighting from the floor at least unless everything is of a dark color

[nova lynx]

Would it be the indirect intensity in the lighting settings?

Yeah it is, I did it and it light up the ceiling

[proven fractal]

gg

Bounce light is more important than direct light IMO.

So take advantage of it

[modest vapor]

Careful not to overdo it, can easily look unrealistic

[nova lynx]

where is bounce light in the lighting settings, is it environment?

[jovial tundra]

so i made a world thats pretty dark so i added a point light i think and made it pretty big so it lights up everything but the problem is that when i walk around it flickers and its really annoying. anybody know a fix to this?

[modest vapor]

Bake it

[jovial tundra]

so i put the baked area light and it only lights up the world but not my avatar. how do i fix that?

[modest vapor]

light probes

[tame acorn]

This is the tutorial I used for learning about lighting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM8QfRzxZpY

[gentle hawk]

Why make it real. Be surreal

[unique trout]

Hey all,
I am wondering if there is a way to have the VRC mirror reflect the unity fog?

[sacred jewel]

So i've found an issue where my lighting looks almost "cloudy" on the surface of everything, any ideas why this may be?

[supple loom]

32 isn't that many direct samples

[sacred jewel]

ill bump it up and give that a go

when i was looking up lighting issues there was lots of talk around the indirect but not much attention to the direct so i had left it alone

[supple loom]

I would do more bounces as well

[sacred jewel]

Nothing changed from changing any values, i noticed its only inside 2 rooms, not any outside lights or even the downstairs room

[supple loom]

How does the lightmap itself look like on the ceiling?

[sacred jewel]

is this what you mean?

[supple loom]

What about the settings on the lights themselves?

[sacred jewel]

there are like 3 types, all set for baked light with various intensities and indirect multipliers, they all use soft shadows as well

the lights in these rooms are the same as the ones in the unaffected rooms

[supple loom]

Hmm

Also disable realtime global illumination if you aren't using it

I've been using bakery so long I'm trying to remember the normal lighting settings

[sacred jewel]

Bakery?

[supple loom]

https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/level-design/bakery-gpu-lightmapper-122218

Much better than the built in unity lightmappers as long as you have a nvidia card

[sacred jewel]

I do but i do not have the funds for that currently, but ill bookmark this for later, thank you

[supple loom]

Yeah understandable

I would also maybe bump up the lightmap size to 2k

[sacred jewel]

yea i have it set to that currently

[supple loom]

And oh the ceiling does have lightmap uv's?

[sacred jewel]

Seems so, im using an asset and it was baked fine until i baked it again

[supple loom]

Does it have generate lightmap uvs ticked in it's import settings

[sacred jewel]

Not on the import settings it seems

[supple loom]

Ticking it should help

If it's not ticked and the model doesn't have a uv2 the albedo uv get's used for lightmaps which can be overlapping a lot of times causing problems

[sacred jewel]

im baking with the change, if it works for the ceiling ill tick if for the other meshes acting up

[supple loom]

https://github.com/oneVR/VRWorldToolkit/releases
You can import my world tools, the world debugger included shows all meshes that would cause that problem so you can fix it all with one click

[sacred jewel]

I'll give it a look, thank you

[stoic valve]

are light probes in unity toggleable? i've got torches in my world that are using baked lighting and lighting probes that I intend to have available to turn off.

[supple loom]

Nope

[stoic valve]

do you know of any workarounds?

[supple loom]

Could try non important realtime lights

But not all avatar shaders support those fully

[stoic valve]

Hmm.. I like your thinking.

[supple loom]

Non important makes them into vertex lights which basically have no performance overhead

[stoic valve]

that's all i need. there are just a few moving parts in my world that need the light to hit them so I was using light probes to do so

[wooden bronze]

Trying to set up lighting in a world right now, and the lights aren't affecting avatars. The player and playerlocal layers are selected, and I do have light probes set up. Am I missing something?

[wooden bronze]

Update: Got the lighting to illuminate avatars, but now avatars aren't casting or receiving shadows.

[modest vapor]

You baked lights ?

[proven fractal]

Assuming baked lights since you have the probes set up, baked lights won't cast shadows on dynamic objects and characters beyond what the light probes offer. You'll need a dynamic light for proper shadows.

[bold slate]

is it still reccomended to use enlighten as the lightmapper ? is there any kind of perf difference between that and progressive cpu or only a difference in how it looks? tired searching the discord and didnt see much

[supple loom]

Enlighten was discontinued by the company that made it and is now just kind of dying slowly. Progressive CPU should technically be faster and all around better.

[bold slate]

will do a test bake to see I guess 🙂

[supple loom]

Bakery is even better though 😄

[alpine current]

Ok, Having this weird problem where the lighting looks good in unity but when uploaded to vrchat it goes to crap, Any ideas on how to fix that?

[plush jewel]

how do i get mirrors to reflect my avatar lights and to properly show the world objects lit by them

[native dome]

any real time lights will not show unless you have Disable Pixel Lights unchecked.

[supple loom]

Ideally you should add light probes though and bake your lighting

And for avatars vertex lights are much better and practically free performance wise

And will also show in every mirror

Just need to set the light to be unimportant

Not all avatar shaders support vertex lights fully though latest versions of poiyomi do but not sure about others

[royal dirge]

Does anyone know why my floor would look like this while baking? It was totally fine before, I didn't change the mesh, and suddenly its ugly like this.

It seems like the lightmap UVs are separating every single triangle, but I dont know why its doing it suddenly.

I found out, I had accidentally separated all the vertices on the mesh. Maybe with a shortcut or something/

[alpine current]

I'm still having this issue with my lighting where the lighting looks good in unity but when uploaded to vrchat it goes to crap, Any ideas on how to fix that?

[modest vapor]

How are you doing your lighting

[alpine current]

baked

I will try to show you an example

https://i.imgur.com/9ix2gp9.png < this is the unity one https://i.imgur.com/Q0UO68u.jpg < this is vrchat

https://i.imgur.com/GORuXti.png unity

https://i.imgur.com/09KGz47.jpg vrchat

the map only has like 3 point lights that are baked, and im using emissions to brighten the area using realtime global illumination

[modest vapor]

Is the color or intensity of the emission being changed in the world ?

[alpine current]

Not that I think so, But whenever I set a value to an emission it always changes

so like maybe it isnt static?

[modest vapor]

Set a value where ? In unity ?

[alpine current]

for example i set an HDR emission to like 1.5 next thing you know its like 1.5593 or something

[modest vapor]

Do you let people turn it off or change at all in your world ?

[alpine current]

intensity

Nope.

[modest vapor]

So why the need of realtime GI

[alpine current]

Oh so I don't need that to get the lighting effect with emissions?

I'll try turning that off then

[modest vapor]

realtime GI if for illumination that changes position or intensity

emission*

Also are all your walls/floors reflective ?

[alpine current]

Yes the entire foundation is reflective

[modest vapor]

Ouch

[alpine current]

yikes

[modest vapor]

Do you have reflection probes on top of it ?

[alpine current]

Yea it has reflection probes

[modest vapor]

Make sure they're box projection and correct size btw

But regular baking for emission should work better

[alpine current]

Alright lighting is fixed now, but is there anyway to make the quality look better?

https://i.imgur.com/fHsYGF5.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/AVYtCx2.jpg

[modest vapor]

Sure, what are you current lighting settings ?

[alpine current]

https://i.imgur.com/xtfmjOL.png

https://i.imgur.com/CIko73C.png

[modest vapor]

You generated lightmap UVs on everything right ?

You can set the direct lightmap size to 4k and lightmap resolution texel at 40

[alpine current]

oo laright

[supple loom]

With bakery you can make stuff look even better esp emissions 😉

[alpine laurel]

https://gyazo.com/c3fe146d433c44321b26ab8c823887e9

after generating lighting i get this

when i clear baked data its fine ...

what should i do

[charred steeple]

Create another light but with 0.00001 intensity and soft shadows

A directionnal one ofc

[gentle hawk]

Real time or bake?

[alpine laurel]

i will try

bake

@charred steeple it worked with a second one after clearing bake and regenerating lightning

ty !

[supple loom]

@alpine laurel change these settings as well to minimize the performance impact

[alpine laurel]

oki !

ty

[gentle hawk]

I was told to still have a direction light even if everything is bake. What's the deal with that.

[supple loom]

Yeah if you need a depth pass you need a depth pass

Baked light can't really provide that

[gentle hawk]

I don't think I need on android. Just on PC I suppose

[hardy yew]

can someone help me with lighting?

For some reason baked lighting has this weird graphical thing with my meshes

it like causes artifacts of the Lightmaps

[past lintel]

I am trying to figure out what I did to make red sim water shader that requires realtime shadows work in a world with all the lights baked

[supple loom]

Just setting a light to baked doesn't necessarily mean the light is baked

And in that case it would be acting like a normal real time light

[supple loom]

That setting might not do what you think it does 😅

[past lintel]

Well yeah that's why i am trying to figure this out

So what could it be then?

Real time lights add more draw calls as far as i know, but i don't see that here

[supple loom]

https://github.com/oneVR/VRWorldToolkit/releases
You can import my world tools the included world debugger would tell you whether the light is actually baked or not

[past lintel]

Seems that i am getting errors, i need to import post processing?

[supple loom]

Where did you get your post processing from?

Or you don't have it imported?

[past lintel]

I just imported it from the package manager, but there are more errors now

[supple loom]

Those errors look like you had post processing and bakery both at one point imported in your project?

[past lintel]

I will make a new project then

[supple loom]

No no

We just gotta remove the scripting defines

[past lintel]

Yes i had both imported before

[supple loom]

If you go to your Project Settings > Player > Other Settings > Scripting Defines

You can just remove bakery from there

Since my world tools has integration stuff for bakery and post processing it uses those scripting defines that they add to your project automatically to enable those functions

[past lintel]

Yeah i found and removed now it works

This tool is actually great, i've been planning to try it out before, seems that i overlooked some stuff and this fixed it, but anyways here is what the lightning tab says

[supple loom]

Interesting according to that all that is set to baked would be properly baked currently 🤔

I wonder if red sims water halfway functions even without the depthpass

[past lintel]

That prefab is just a realtime light

[supple loom]

Do you have your scene camera set to deferred?

[past lintel]

I didn't change any settings on the camera its just the default ones

The way I was able to make this in a another project was by exporting the water plane as a prefab and just importing it

I couldn't replicate it again

[supple loom]

🤔

[past lintel]

This is not a visual glitch tho, it works every time i generate lights and it works in vrchat too, the mirror also reflects the water properly

It doesn't work before generating lightning

[supple loom]

What if you add the depth prefab into the scene does it change the water?

[past lintel]

It looks exactly the same

[supple loom]

Huh honestly not sure exactly why it works

But I also haven't used red sims water that much

[past lintel]

I don't really know what the depth buffer is but does it show in frame debug window?

I will have to try with silent's water shader and see if i can replicate this

[past lintel]

You are right, that shader partially works without real time shadows which to me is enough it still looks great. It's nothing I did within the scene, It is just the shader code at least with the red sim v.1.4.2 version. The latest one and the silent's shader don't work without real time shadows @supple loom

[supple loom]

Yeah if you are happy with how it looks then all is good

[past lintel]

Thanks for the help, and thanks for the world tools you made, its really useful

[supple loom]

Glad to hear it, I'm constantly working on improving it ^^

[split condor]

hello friends!
I am boggled by how to make a rectangular light in Unity

because I can't figure out how to make a rectangular area light work

[modest vapor]

They can only be baked i think

[split condor]

I know but I should still be able to preview them, right?

I even built the world and zoned into it to see what was happening with the area light and even with illumination jacked up to 10000 it doesn't seem to do anything

google seems to say it's a unity problem and I'm hoping someone has a workaround

[supple loom]

Can't really preview a light that only works baked

[split condor]

I can't hit generate lighting?

I can see it updating

when I move the light around, when I have auto-generate ticked

[supple loom]

So it's working?

[split condor]

the only thing it doesn't seem to do is illuminate anything, it's like it's not even there

[supple loom]

Is you scene set up for baked lighting?

[split condor]

better check, good shout.

wait where's that at?

[supple loom]

Your objects in the scene that you want baked lighting on would need to be set to lightmap static and have a shader that supports lightmapping like the standard shader

[split condor]

okay yup, there's the lightmap settings I didn't configure when I imported, thanks!

[supple loom]

There's a bunch of good unity lightmapping tutorials on youtube ^^

Like the one from brackeys

[split condor]

I reimported my massive base asset and I forgot to check lightmaps 👀

I'll check it out thanks ^ ^

[mint cipher]

Which is better performance, realtime lights with shadows off, or , baked lighting?

[supple loom]

Baked lighting

[split condor]

I use realtime lights with no shadows because they look better when I use imported normals from sketchup
Baked lighting I think is always better performance

[mint cipher]

Right, thank you.

[edgy peak]

actually mixed light with shadows off is the best "realtime" light

as it is a mix of realtime and baked ambient lighting

baked lights are allways the most optimal lights as they are just textures and if you utilize light probes you can add some dynamic qualities back to those backed lights

the most optimal realtime light is mixed/no shadow/ set to unimportant

this makes it a vertex light that changes the coloring of vertexes on the shader of your avatar/environment but at the cost of realism

again it depends on what you are trying to do: static-go with baked lights

movable? Mixed/no shadow/ unimportant

@mint cipher

[mint cipher]

Just whatever is best for performance. Baked lights seem to be the one as i freed up 40fps. I have some realtime lights but they are moving.

[edgy peak]

ya baked is your best bet for the majority of the lights in your world

shadows are the biggest performance hit so make sure you reduce shadow quality/ setting them to soft shadows to hide the lower res, and pick and choose where you need realtime shadows

[civic valve]

hello, can someone help me ? i have a weird problem on my world, in the editor nothing wrong but when i go in play mode, i have this weird shadow effect who appear and disappear depend from where i watch, its evetime on the face in front of the directional light. i don't know how to fix it...

[modest vapor]

How many realtimes lights do you have ?

[civic valve]

0

there all baked

[modest vapor]

As in, set mode to Baked or did you go through the lighting baking process ?

Because i doubt this is baked

[civic valve]

i just set them like this one, not sure if its the good option but there have all the baked

[modest vapor]

yeah that's not light baking

it behaves as realtime until you properly bake them

I think the problem may be on your rock

Which shader are you using ?

[civic valve]

the "standard" shader

[modest vapor]

Did you place that rock manually ? I assume that's just a random object you found online

[civic valve]

its a rock i found on the unity assets store and yeah i placed them manually

[modest vapor]

I guess i'd suggest rotating the light away from these rocks, or moving the rocks, since light baking isn't really an option here

[civic valve]

well its not only the rock, its the floor and the trees and i already try to move the directional light and it did nothing different

[modest vapor]

Can you show the material properties of the rock

inside the standard shader

[civic valve]

this ?

[modest vapor]

the material you used, where you added the textures

also that's a looot of items

[civic valve]

this ? (and yes there are many trees mainly)

[modest vapor]

try disabling specular highlight and reflections at the bottom

[civic valve]

still doing it

[modest vapor]

I'm not sure in that case, working with random assets makes it difficult to find the cause

[civic valve]

ok, thanks for the help anyway

[rapid isle]

cant seem to get video emission to work i have the video player all setup with the right stuff world has baked lights but nothing from video emitting light. (this will probly go unanswered like always) (fixed it main screen wasn't on Video/RealtimeEmission gamma)

[thin fern]

Okay so I just put a skybox in my world but it's completelly dark everywhere anyone know how I fix that?

[coarse moth]

@thin fern Do you have the sun source? (Directional Light)

[thin fern]

Yes

[thick cloud]

Is it possible to use prebaked lightmap textures from outside of Unity without losing light probe functionality?

[edgy peak]

Outside baked light maps generally are apart of the diffuses texture if that happens then it won't work with outside light maps.

Also why are you trying to avoid baking with unity lightmaps?

Or does the mesh come with them?

@thick cloud

[acoustic loom]

Has anyone run into an issue where occasionally realtime GI will bug out when re-baking a lightmap? I've noticed sometimes after a re-bake it won't work unless the resolution is modified (and then baked again)

[maiden ore]

I was messing with lighting, now the world is not lit at all, how do i fix?

nvm, skybox error

[thick cloud]

Is there any way to prevent light from illuminating objects through backfaces?

At least, any way other than slapping hundreds of flat planes around to cover those spots...

Nvm, there is a double-sided option for shadow casting in the mesh renderer settings. Completely fixes the problem.

[coarse moth]

@maiden ore You press on the light icon to see the lighting

It's above your scene window

[maiden ore]

@coarse moth It wasn't that, i deleted all light sources

[coarse moth]

You sent a picture where you have turned off the lighting so I assumed you didn't know about that

This is where you have to press when you want to see realtime/baked lighting

[maiden ore]

ik

[mint cipher]

I'm pretty new at lighting and my light mapping did this

how would I fix this

[modest vapor]

generate lighmap UVs on your meshes

[mint cipher]

Oh probuilder didn't have that enabled thanks

[small garden]

Speaking of lightmaps, is there any reason why baked lightmaps dissappear (room goes back to being pitch black) as soon as I click play?

Or you can clearly see an object has lightmaps in inspector, but in the scene and game its pitch black

[modest vapor]

Which folders are your lightmaps in ? @small garden

[small garden]

if only i knew how to see that ^^;

i should mention its udon

[modest vapor]

It's in the lighting tab, lightmaps at the top

[small garden]

is asset, scene forlder

(my scene is called "Moria", so its in Assets -> Moria scene)

[modest vapor]

Check your console in that case

[small garden]

thing is that i have multiple locations in the world im making, and all of them seem to be working fine, except that one room.
I have all the things set as lightmap static, lights are baked

but for some reason, no matter what i try, this bastard still appears pitch black

real time light makes it look just fine

[modest vapor]

It's fully metallic ?

That causes issues with baking

Also it tells you it reached the max size on lightmap

[small garden]

oh, yeah, its metallic

i guess ill give it a try with different material, thanks

Also it tells you it reached the max size on lightmap
@modest vapor could that be why the room lightmaps disappear when im uploading this? i guess ill try lower resolution..

[modest vapor]

I don't think it would, but it's still an issue

Also you have an error and warnings in your console

[small garden]

material does not have a texture property 'plane' - thats an error, but its a thing im experimenting

and a few self intersecting polygons on meshes im working on

well, thanks anyway!

ill try tweaking arround more, ill see what i can do

[mint cipher]

hey does anyone know how i could get a mirror to ignore the world lighting so its full bright (im bad at explaining)

because avatars are super dark on mirrors

[supple loom]

Ideally you would light up avatars with light probes in mirrors

[mint cipher]

where would i put the light probes im kinda new to this lol

[thick cloud]

Is there a way to make a Directional Light only affect certain meshes without using all my custom layer slots? Never mind, that won't work for my situation anyways. Time for Spot Light's.

[thick cloud]

Actually, this still has the same problem... Basically, my world is a series of interconnected "rooms", each is supposed to have it's own lighting, but some of the "sun" light is reaching into rooms it's not supposed to, is it possible to just cull specific mesh renderers in a lights settings instead of using custom layers?

Pretty sure i don't have enough custom layer slots for the amount of rooms there are going to be...

[modest vapor]

Can't you surround the rooms with a mesh to block the sun light ?

[thick cloud]

Hold on, i think i might be able to make due with this now that i think about it... I don't need a custom layer for EVERY room, only the ones that noticeably have the problem.

Yep, i can fix the problem with just a handful of layers instead of a lot. Problem solved.

I really need to use my brain a bit more before asking for help...

[proven locust]

i always put planes on walls that are culled; is it efficient as it could be? no. does it work? yes, and that is beond more than what i ask for from unitys lightmapper

[modest vapor]

wdym you put planes on walls that are culled ?

[fading schooner]

Does anyone know how to get rid of these Artefacts? Im baking my world with "Bakery"

NVM fixed it, fogot to generate the Lightmap UVs

[astral badge]

hey, whenever I start my lightbaking unity just closes. anyone know what could be the cause of this?

[modest vapor]

Check your unity console

If nothing happens it might mean nothing in your scene is static

[mint cipher]

How would I fix these terrible lightmap UVs from probuilder

I'm guessing it's these settings

I'm using bakery for lighting btw

now it's down to looking like this

[modest vapor]

Can you generate lightmap uvs for probuilder ?

[mint cipher]

I generate them from bakery and probuilder gives you lightmap uv options

I mean I could export the room with probuilder and check if that works

[modest vapor]

Probuilder sucks so yeah that might be better

[dapper hatch]

hi guys question, is there a reason why my avatars look completely black when i test my world?

I have four point lights in the corners of the room

[dapper hatch]

nevermind, adding a directional light seemed to fix it

[brave crest]

don't forget light probes

[supple loom]

Yeah adding the directional light isn't really a solution if you are doing baked lighting

Light probes are the actual solution

[unique trout]

Quick question. Is there a way to have particles not be affected by outside world lighting?

[brave crest]

Oh yeah, is there a way to just rebake the light probes by themselves?

[supple loom]

With bakery yeah otherwise not really

[brave crest]

oh well. rebaking, here I come 😆

ty!

[desert oyster]

any idea how to prevent precomputed realtime GI from doing this?

random black splotches of death

[clear pier]

@dapper hatch where did you get your lights that are hanging up? those are nice!

[dapper hatch]

modeled them myself! You want the model?

@clear pier

[clear pier]

😮 WHAAAT, omg i would love it!!! @dapper hatch

[dapper hatch]

@clear pier

[clear pier]

thank you so much !! @dapper hatch

[dapper hatch]

no problem!! you might have to add your own textures i think it's not textured @clear pier

[clear pier]

thats alright 🙂 Ive been trying to find a model but im also stil learning and trying to figure out what all i need to do @dapper hatch

[dapper hatch]

@clear pier I've been getting pretty good at world building, ive only been working on worlds for about two weeks though if you need any help be sure to ask!

[clear pier]

I would appreciate it ! 😮 @dapper hatch Mind if I send you so pics on what im working on now ?

[dapper hatch]

@clear pier heck yeah! I'd love to see it!

[clear pier]

i msg you @dapper hatch

[ancient ravine]

Any idea why I'm getting artifacts in this specific spot

Using Bakery btw

I tried messing with the Texel count and increasing scale in lightmap

I'm not really worried too much about since this is a small avatar world but it would be nice to fix it.

[modest vapor]

@ancient ravine You need to generate lightmap UVs

[ancient ravine]

It is

I always have that checked.

[modest vapor]

I have no clue then, that's the only way i've seen those square issues

check your console i guess

[blazing stream]

do you have any back faces near there?

not sure how bakery handles them but unity's progressive absolutely hates them and can ruin entire rooms

[ruby pelican]

i have issues where some light source dont light up

and the light doesnt refectt what is seen

it shows when i get close

[supple loom]

Sounds like real time lighting

[ruby pelican]

They're all baked

[supple loom]

Just setting light to baked doesn't actually bake it

You sure you baked them?

That cube is already enough with the emissions you don't even really need a light source on it

[ruby pelican]

theres no light sunlight

[supple loom]

What?

[ruby pelican]

theres no direct light

also

idk if that is the reason why

[supple loom]

Still did you actually bake the lights or did you just them to baked?

And I would honestly just remove those lights and use the emission from the cubes

Though if you aren't used bakery it might not look that good

[ruby pelican]

theres no emmsion from cube its just a white texture

with no shaders

[supple loom]

You can't really have anything without a shader that would just be pink

Might wanna check out the pinned guide on baked lighting honestly

[charred steeple]

hello everyone, i actually have a problem with bakery and i still dont know what is causing this:

Is there anyone willing to help please?

[jolly dawn]

So basically I'm creating my own world, and as I noticed when all the lights are on, my avatar's hands and body are getting some weird, not natural shadows. And when I turn the lights off, my body and face just turns black except for the eyes. Is there any way to repair it? I turned off shadows for all the lights

[modest vapor]

Don't turn off shadows ?

[jolly dawn]

i tried also with hard and soft shadows, baked everything, but didn't work for me for some reason, it was still the same

[modest vapor]

I don't think you baked anything in that casew setting lights to baked mode doesn't do anything

[modest vapor]

I don't think anything is receiving or casting shadows

[hushed coral]

I can see stuff through the mirror...

[modest vapor]

that would be a shader issue

render queue most likely

[hushed coral]

It's when I use post processing

[modest vapor]

which ones ?

ambient occlusion ?

[hushed coral]

Yes

[modest vapor]

yeah don't use that

absolutely terrible in VR and looks bad

[hushed coral]

Weird

[modest vapor]

If you want good looking AO, bake your lights

[hushed coral]

I think it makes my terrain look good

I guess I will just turn it off

[modest vapor]

it's still unity terrain

[hushed coral]

true lol

Also do you know how to make it so the grass is rendered beyond a little circle?

[modest vapor]

I think that's unity dependent settings for the grass, maybe LODs, but it's for performance, if you turn that off your frames will tank hard

[hushed coral]

I was hoping that wouldn't be the case. It looks like trash..

Thank you though

[modest vapor]

grass is tough for sure

[hushed coral]

I will find other ways to make it look decent I guess

[buoyant siren]

https://vrcat.club/threads/xiexes-lighting-tutorial-how-to-get-good-at-baked-lighting-101.2081/
I was following this tutorial and I just finished making a area light but I can't see it even after I clicked "Generate Lighting".

Sorry, but are you talking to me?

[modest vapor]

@buoyant siren Did you generate lightmap UVs for your meshes ?

[buoyant siren]

Sorry, I had to make sure that the structure (my walls, ceiling, and floor) was set to static. Dynamic objects are not affected by baked lighting.

[modest vapor]

Ah yes that's the main step

[proven locust]

anyone used magic light probes (unity store asset) with bakery? want to buy it but curious about incompatibilities

[modest vapor]

I think it currently prevents worlds from uploading ?

Personally i've used autoprobe forever and it's great

[proven locust]

this is exactly why i ask, thank u!! also i saw @prisma radish in a forum involving this, do you use this still?

[prisma radish]

I have not deployed anything with Magic Probe yet. But I have used Autoprobe in the past. They use different approaches to generating probes.

[left wyvern]

Hey everyone! I've got a bit of an issue where certain lights in my world seem to turn off if I look at them from a certain angle (or they seem to cull themselves for some reason when they shouldn't), some places in my map it's bearable, others it looks awful, any idea what's going on there?

[proven locust]

gotcha cheers

[hallow hound]

you got realtime light or baked ones?

[left wyvern]

Mostly mixed, Baked doesn't seem to work at all, baked lights don't seem to show up or appear dark

I've just set the mesh of the area to static too to no avail

[hallow hound]

i am not so exp about that but i know if you use alot realtime light the unity close alot i think ther i a minimum options but i am not sure if what i say is 100% true sorry that i cant help ya

[left wyvern]

Hehe no problem!

[modest vapor]

@left wyvern They're not baked, just set to baked

baked mode needs to be baked still, otherwise it behaves as realtime

and only a few realtime lights can affect an object at once, and that's why they cull themselves

[hallow hound]

good to know about realtime ones

[celest sedge]

what version of post processing should I get? 2.1.1?

[supple loom]

The version from the package manager

[sonic marsh]

I wrote a Twitter thread with some tips for world lighting. I'll be doing these periodically!
https://twitter.com/Silent0264/status/1298147738471686144

[celest sedge]

does anyone know if unity project settings will affect the world upload?

wanted to lower the lod bias which is in project settings but not sure if it's gonna apply in game

[supple loom]

Nope

Check pins in #development-advanced for what it's set to on different settings

[celest sedge]

lod bias 2 in high quality settings

well no wonder it runs like shit in game lol

I have so many trees in my scene

guess at least it has v sync count off

anyway thanks

[sonic marsh]

For trees, I recommend looking into the "impostor" technique. There is a free system on Github, and also a paid solution, Amplify Impostors, on the asset store

[sonic marsh]

I've written a guide on using reflection probes! Please take a look and share it with your friends!
https://twitter.com/Silent0264/status/1298236137446629378
https://gitlab.com/s-ilent/SCSS/-/wikis/Other/Reflection-Probes

[buoyant siren]

Please for the love of everything, someone help I have no idea what I am doing. I effing hate baked lights so I tried to switch all my lights to Realtime but now the entire world (except a few objects) are black.

And yes I am already aware that baked lights are better for performance, I just wanted to see the world with dynamic lights.

[supple loom]

Unity can't really handle that many real time light properly to begin with

What shader are you using on those?

[buoyant siren]

I have no idea, I just switched it back to baked lighting.

My biggest problem with baked lights though is that if I have a door in a door frame and build the lighting with the door closed, then even if a player opens the door then the lighting won't change.

[coarse moth]

You can make your door non static so it will not have any baked lighting

You can leave the door frame static because that's not moving

[hexed portal]

Little question, does baking light probes remove the ability to use dynamic shadow casting lights?
I'd like to make a pretty dark map with flashlights you can pick up, is there any point to setting up light probes?

[edgy forum]

Light probes provide ambient light, they can be combined with direct light from realtime lights.

[hexed portal]

ok, great, thanks!

[cloud mango]

Is there a way to change the lighting of a mirror so it doesn't use the directional light that the world uses?

Because my world light is dark and so it's really dark in the mirror

[hexed portal]

turn on a light when the mirror is on?

[nova silo]

can anybody explain to me why The Great Pug's blend probes are only affecting some of my avatar meshes and not all of them, when im using the exact same shader and settings, with the same bounding box on the mesh

doesnt happen on any other world. half of my meshes are super orange/yellow like the great pugs lighting, and half are just unaffected. very annoying

[nova silo]

i found the issue. the probe lighting is much more intense on meshes that have normal maps applied, for some bizarre reason.

in fact - i dont think its a case of it being more intense, it's more like "doesnt exist at all" vs. "does exist"

nevermind, that's not it.

if i spawn in with the meshes disabled and then enable them later on, thats what it is.

[hushed coral]

My post processing works in Unity but when I play the world in VRChat it does not.

[supple loom]

Make sure you actually set the reference camera in your scene descriptor

[hushed coral]

Right. I made a new VRCWorld

thanks lol

[supple loom]

Yeah that would do it 😄

[topaz bobcat]

Hey I'm trying to light up this map but when i use baked lighting it makes this prop have black lines all over it.... what am i doing wrong (i checked my UV's in blender and nothing is wrong with them)

[supple loom]

What about lightmap uvs? If your albedo uvs are overlapping that's gonna happen. You can enable generation of lightmap uvs in the models import settings.

[topaz bobcat]

thats from other areas this is the whole map

[supple loom]

How does the albedo uvs look like then?

[topaz bobcat]

is this it

[supple loom]

Just the uv for that object in blender

[topaz bobcat]

oh here it is (it was converted from hammer)

[supple loom]

Well yeah that's why you should enable the lightmap uv generation in unity

[topaz bobcat]

i did

still causes problems

this is the light map for the prop thats causing problems as well

and here it is in unity

[supple loom]

And on that specific object you enabled this checkbox right?

[topaz bobcat]

yep

i did it on the buiding as well

[supple loom]

Okay good was just making sure we were on the same page

Oh looking back

Your lightmaps are all 128x128

With a lot of stuff on all of them

That would easily cause stuff to bleed over like that

[topaz bobcat]

i tryed putting everything together in blender with the unwrap option but that stretched the textures

[supple loom]

What are your lighting settings set at

[topaz bobcat]

here are the settings

[supple loom]

Well first of all turn your lightmap size to 2k or 4k

[topaz bobcat]

ok

still nothing

[supple loom]

Maybe up your lightmap resolution to around 20 as well

[topaz bobcat]

ok

nope still nothing

[supple loom]

Select the problem mesh and show it's location on the baked lightmap

[topaz bobcat]

i think this is it

[supple loom]

🤔

[topaz bobcat]

i dont know if i can post the obj file into discord

[supple loom]

You can dm it to me if you want

[modest vapor]

Have a mesh around it that blocks the light

[deft moat]

is there a tutorial on how to make bloom lighting in your world?

[modest vapor]

You can look at Silent's post processing tutorial

@deft moat

[deft moat]

thank you~

[hexed portal]

Ok I'm not sure if this is possible but I have a point light I'm using to fake bounced light for a flashlight. Thing is, even with a very low intensity, it still creates some kind of specular highlight on reflective surfaces, which I don't wand and would like to get rid of if possible... Any ideas? (all the lights mentioned here are realtime)

[dark rain]

How can I ensure that my lighting is not baked in to my world, because I want to have players equip candles

[proven fractal]

go into the lighting panel and disable auto-baking light

then just, don't bake

[proven locust]

u can bake lighting and parent realtime point lights to a candle @dark rain

dont have no lighting, thats just gay

[dark rain]

It won't bake point lights in?

or I have to set them to realtime

nvm, they are already set that way\

[proven locust]

yea

https://vrcat.club/threads/xiexes-lighting-tutorial-how-to-get-good-at-baked-lighting-101.2081/ read this to get an idea of how baking works

and do it, realtime lights in excess kills frames and makes me sad

my little gpu requests it

[dark rain]

The world is going to be pretty optimized otherwise but it's going to have several candles so, alot of realtime lighting

[modest vapor]

lots of realtime lights = not optimized

[dark rain]

Well, about how many candles/spot lights can I put in without seeing much/any lag

The first time I made the world, it had a candle spawner on it and people spawned like 50 candles and it seemed to work fine

This time round I want a set limit to how many can exist at once

[rugged harness]

Whether or not they cast shadows and what kind will affect their performance. Ultimately it'll depend on the world and what you do with them. I wouldn't push 15 though tbh.

[modest vapor]

@dark rain Why can't you bake the candles ?

[dark rain]

@modest vapor I want players to be able to walk around with them

sorry I probably should not have @

[modest vapor]

nah it's fine

well if all players see all other candles that's pretty bad

Unless the rest of the world is extremely well optimized

[dark rain]

I'll probably want all players to see all candles, as many as 5 might be enough, it's a small world

[modest vapor]

press play and show the stats menu

[modest vapor]

yeah that's a lot

[dark rain]

damn

[modest vapor]

If you can't reach above 60FPS in desktop then you can guess what it can be like in VR

[dark rain]

It's been super fast in vr for me

Unless I turn on the high def mirror

but I should probably optimize that more, I just don't know what I should do to it

[modest vapor]

Do you have static realtime lights ?

[dark rain]

I honestly don't know what static realtime lights are

[modest vapor]

lights that aren't moving in the scene

[dark rain]

currently the candles do not move, because I haven't looked into how to make moveable objects in udon but I fully intend to do that, otherwise The directional light is baked (I think?)

[modest vapor]

Set to baked or did you go through the whole process of light baking ?

[dark rain]

set it

[modest vapor]

yeah so it's not baked

[dark rain]

ok so I need to look into how to bake lighting

so can a world be effected by both baked and realtime lighting?

[modest vapor]

Yes

[dark rain]

I have a gate that opens upon joining the world, should that not be baked?

[modest vapor]

if it's moving usually it shouldn't be baked with the rest of the environment

[dark rain]

What layer are point lights on? Is there a way to make the lighting in my Low quality mirror work while keeping it more optimized? because the level of normal lighting in the world just makes the mirror dark as heck

[modest vapor]

everything is on default layer by default

[dark rain]

should I move them to another layer and then show that layer

[supple loom]

Sounds like some missing light probes

If you are doing baked lighting like ideally you should

[dark rain]

I don;t know anything about light probes

[supple loom]

Are you doing baked lighting?

[dark rain]

my world will have both baked and realtime lighting

[supple loom]

Baked lighting can't cast light onto dynamic objects without having light probes

[dark rain]

I baked it last night but idk wtf I'm doing so idk if it worked

I'm pretty lost

[supple loom]

There's a guide to baked lighting pinned in this channel

[dark rain]

I've watched several guides

[supple loom]

https://github.com/oneVR/VRWorldToolkit/releases
You can also import my world tools to get pointers on stuff you might be missing doing wrong

VRWorld Toolkit > World Debugger after importing it

[dark rain]

Thanks!

I'll use this and read/watch all the pinned before I ask anymore questions

"your lighting data asset takes up 30.16 MB of your worlds size" Last build size: 35.16

[supple loom]

Do you have realtime gi on or something?

[dark rain]

lol idk

[supple loom]

Unless you actually need it turn it off

[dark rain]

If I have player moveable point lights (candles) do I need it on

[supple loom]

Nope that's not realtime gi

Most cases if you need to ask what it is you don't need it on 😄

Since it needs a proper setup to be used

[terse hazel]

so im having an issue with my lighting
i've been migrating a world from sdk2 to sdk3 in order to use UDON
but basically despite everything being identical to the project i migrated from my mixed lighting will not work
i can have either all baked lights or all realtime but not mixed as its supposed to

has anyone bumped into this issue before?
because i cannot find any similar cases on google
either way im stuck and would seriously appreciate any help i can get

[astral badge]

so my scene is baked, but it isnt showing the lightmaps in the mesh renderer. is this a bug?

[modest vapor]

They're probably not baked then

check the console

[astral badge]

they were, for some reason one of my objects I had disabled before baking caused it

[peak mirage]

Why is my lighting like this? I've tried several variations, and this is at least better but I cant get the build to match the editor in Unity even remotely really

Currently just a directional light atm

Post settings

[modest vapor]

@peak mirage Fog disabled ?

[peak mirage]

@modest vapor yup

[supple loom]

@peak mirage can you show the settings on your main camera?

[supple loom]

Do you have the editor running in deferred?

[peak mirage]

Uhh, is that an explicit setting? Im not sure where you'd do that

Im going to assume, no

[thick cloud]

I thought the editor is forced into Forward rendering cause the SDK package sets the editor to VR mode.

[supple loom]

It doesn't stop you from running deferred stuff if you really want to there's even some people using it for world mechanics

Not just that usable for normal cases

I was just thinking since that would be one thing that could explain that difference

I gott hop out though hope you figure it out

[modest vapor]

@peak mirage I think the realtime light is being reflected off of your surfaces somehow, do you have specific materials ?

[peak mirage]

Specific mats in what way?

I mean literally everything in the scene has a material applied to it of some kind. Nothing uses the standard one

Ie. the terrain:

[modest vapor]

smoothness power to 0 ?

[peak mirage]

I guess I can try that, seems odd but Im pulling straws at this point as it is

Should I rebake that?

Im assuming yes, for brevity, running that

Well now the editor looks weird af:

nerp

[modest vapor]

Do you really need such a complex shader ? Can you try with the standard shader with the textures you can use and look at the difference ?

If you're using the A channel of your RGA textures, then i can see why it'd look odd

[slim crescent]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/nAI47tauqkHuqSZIDpivJbDb2WLsJkpqdPt6Q-cb6jc/https/i.gyazo.com/5329d6af589f5ececd07c2a910568ae0.gif
anyone ever had this issue before? when multiple people are in my world the lights start to flick on and off (or rather the intensity of it scales up and back to the actual value) depending on the view angle and position.
i am using 4 realtime lights and controlling their properties via a script
feel free to DM

[peak mirage]

I can try a diff shader, its w/e already came with the asset pack. Its certainly possible it uses the A channel.

Actually, that wouldnt make sense now that i think about it because the demo for the pack I was able to build & test and it looks fine. Only difference is that it's using realtime lighting instead of baked lights

[peak mirage]

Must be something wonky with that scene, I moved everything to a new one and with realtime lighting it looks the same. Altho it seems that postprocessing isnt working??

[modest vapor]

@slim crescent Unity culls lights when too many realtime are affecting the same object

[slim crescent]

Never happens when im alone, so Shaders/Materials from Avatars of other people must be affecting it too which makes it very hard to test/stresstest.
Is there any general fix for this?

[modest vapor]

I doubt people's shaders are doing this, unless you're running out of shader keywords and it's somehow causing those issues but I don't think that's the case

Looks like Unity's culling to me

[slim crescent]

So is the only way to avoid this culling by removing the lights until im left with only one?
I tested it for over 8hours and tried realtime and mixed lights

[rugged harness]

You can bake the lighting and use light probes. The lights won't cast shadows then but if you have them not casting shadows then it won't matter anyways. It's generally less "realistic" than using realtime lights but then you save a lot of performance overhead as well.

If you really want realtime lights, you can duplicate the lights, make those realtime, disable them and then use a switch or something to toggle them on locally for yourself.

[modest vapor]

@slim crescent Use one at a time if you need to, but if those lights are static they should really just be baked

[slim crescent]

yeah thats the thing, im offering the users a UI to change light color, temperature, intensity etc. so changing to baked is not an option sadly

[sterile arrow]

My world seating targetable area changes after I bake lighting into the world.. any idea why? If I make the chairs and don't render the lighting, when you target the chair it correctly outlines just the chair. After I bake lighting the target area becomes a large cube around the chair... Examples below. 1st image no light rendering, 2nd is an example of the cube target area that would show up around each chair after baking lighting.

so that tiny stool would have the large cube around it post rendering/baking light

[ancient ravine]

@sterile arrow put a box collider set as trigger(so players dont collide with it but can interact) and edit the bound sizes on the main root of the vrc chair prefab

It'll outline to what size you set

[dense elbow]

how do you make it so lighting shows in mirrows

[modest vapor]

you have pixel lights setting on your mirror ?

[dense elbow]

lemme check

no i dont do i need that enabled

oh snice

thx

now i just need to figure out the mirror toggle thing

[crisp marlin]

Sooo, it's been well over a year since Bakery dev informed me VRChat devs contacted him regarding including Bakery scripts in the game to enable use of RNS and SH lightmaps without the use of Merlin's VRC Bakery adapter. Still no word on that from VRC devs, though? Really would like to know when Bakery integration will make it to VRChat to make world creators' lives easier.

https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/whitelist-bakery-gpu-lightmapper

[modest vapor]

Nothing planned for now, but you can use SH with Merlin's tool

[crisp marlin]

Good to know, thanks.

[dense elbow]

so is there a way to bake my lightd easily with out spending 55$ on a asset im only gonna use a handful of times

[modest vapor]

Sure, set it up correctly, press generate lighting and wait for hours

[weak glade]

Baking lights can take hours... i am glad bakey exists lol

[dense elbow]

any good tutorials of how to do it

[modest vapor]

yes it's pinned

[dense elbow]

[hearty fulcrum]

has anyone ever done like a multiple UV sets thingy in unity? im like trying to get my masks to work with my first uv set and then texel density with my second UV set and I like want my lightmaps to be generated in like the 3rd UV channel but I dont see anything that would let me tell unity to generate lightmaps uvs from my first channel and then place them in the 3rd channel

[rare umbra]

someone know how to change baking device on the gpu lightmapper? the device its using is not the preferred one and i want it to use my gtx 1060

also is lightmapping with gpu even ideal for vrchat worlds? 2018.4.20f1 in general?

[edgy forum]

@rare umbra The builtin GPU lightmapper in 2018.4.20 is broken, sadly. Lightmaps have weird artifacting on them.

[rare umbra]

sadddd

[rustic fern]

Hiii, i'd like to know how to fix this, i want a uniform lighting, i tried baking the lights but my unity just keeps crashing every time, so i want to know if there's another way to do it because some avatars look really bad like this one

[acoustic loom]

Is there a way to make realtime GI materials effect avatars via light probes and not just geometry?

[odd anchor]

I'm baking my lights and my pots are shaded weirdly, any hints/tips where this can come from ?

[glad fox]

i have that same problem with my world so if anyone knows how to fix it that would be amazing

[acoustic loom]

From what I understand that is due to a hard seam in your lightmap

Frankly my understanding of lightmapping and uvmapping is still terrible, but what I gather is that unity sees that as a hard 'edge' where a shadow would be cast

I'm sure this can be solved by proper lightmapping which someone else might be able to elaborate on, but clicking "stitch seams" on that object in unity might help you

http://prntscr.com/uco6a4

I believe you'll have to re-bake after toggling that option to see the result

[dense elbow]

sorry for music but i need help fixing what ever is causing this and none of my friends know what could be causing it and the glass isnt reflecting correctly either

[modest vapor]

There's a limit to how many realtime lights can affect something in Unity before they get culled

[mint cipher]

There's a setting in quality settings that increases the pixel light count if that's what it is. Or you can just try not to overlap too many realtime lights.

[supple loom]

Changing the setting yourself won't help when it's a setting set by vrchat

[cloud mango]

I hit generate lighting in my world so I could bake it but now the lights are just pitch black. any help?

[modest vapor]

Can you show any of your setting/components ?

[cloud mango]

yes one second

I have 2 directional lights with a toggle but only one works

and my point/spotlights dont work

@modest vapor

[mint cipher]

If to many real-time lights they can get culled

[cloud mango]

They're all baked

and they worked before

but then I clicked generate lighting

and it just went crazy

[mint cipher]

Had this bug a while ago don’t remember how I fixed but wish you luck

[cloud mango]

Thank you I appreciate it lol

do you know how to clear baked lights?

[mint cipher]

Hold up

[cloud mango]

I think t's because I don't have auto generate on so I have to

clear and rebake them

[mint cipher]

The sun source is it directional

[cloud mango]

yes it is

[mint cipher]

Can we see the light component

[cloud mango]

yep one second

[mint cipher]

K

[mint cipher]

The color is very darkish

[cloud mango]

yeah but it showed fine before

now its PITCH black

[mint cipher]

Does this only happen with this one

[cloud mango]

yeah and my point lights aren't working either

[mint cipher]

Does the day work fine

[cloud mango]

the day one does work

[mint cipher]

That makes sense

Hm

I know you can

How about post prossing to increase brightness

It’s not a fix but could work

[cloud mango]

let me try that

is that under the light rendering

?

[mint cipher]

Post ev is what would recommend

Click windows packages manger then type post and install

[cloud mango]

got it

doing that right now

[mint cipher]

I can help you in 10 min via screen share we just got back from camping

[cloud mango]

that would be amazing honestly

thank you so much!!

[mint cipher]

Ya no problem dude