open-beta-discussion

[tacit moth]

Users will no longer lose tracking when opening the SteamVR overlay
god bless

[near grove]

Unity bones = everything bones

[sullen elk]

Nodders

[winged scarab]

Here

[sullen elk]

No way you need 70+

[near grove]

Give the debug

We need to see this oddity

[hallow drift]

^ debug on standing with avatar in full view

or a photo of the unity editor

[warm cedar]

So Tuppy, Live release when?

[open kite]

That's not even a limit problem that's just poorly optimized

Even for PC that would be way too much

[near grove]

so only ur hair can move?

[humble pulsar]

Probably later today or tomorrow

[near grove]

bc the transformation limit

[sullen elk]

Yeah, and it doesn't lock my head bone in place.
One component, everything under the Bang_Root is dynamic.
So I don't need 5-8 components for this one silly thing

[near grove]

64 translating bones is max quest

[inner kayak]

[winged scarab]

That'd be quite concerning if he didn't run well with quest users using MacDonald wifi

Lol

[near grove]

LOL

It's just principle that is too much

[inner kayak]

no where are you running well with 26 materials

[sullen elk]

My AVI has more hair (and longer hair) and I'm easily under 8 components and not even at 30 transforms.
You need to consider re-rigging or things to cut at this point.

[near grove]

Unless you consider 20 a well running game

[small surge]

'fine for me' everyone else has you hidden/fallback

[near grove]

The quest realistically can only do about 20 frames per second before frame interpolation starts to break.

[scenic phoenix]

Or when you go to a world that just causes so much artefacting it takes 4 seconds for your head to turn-

[winged scarab]

I show everyone😭

[inner kayak]

or when right lense just dies because of a water shader

[sturdy nebula]

quick question for optimization, is it fine put a physbone on the head to control say ears/hair and using curves to make it so it doesnt effect the head, vs adding a new root bone for the same reason? Ive got an avatar with animations I don't wanna break, but ill redo them if need be

[scenic phoenix]

Actually never had that happen to me

[inner kayak]

most sickening thing i’ve ever felt

[winged scarab]

Why?

[inner kayak]

quest 1 thing in most fancy worlds

[scenic phoenix]

I’m a quest 2 user

:p

[hallow drift]

you'll probably want a new root bone

[inner kayak]

having your right eye flash between 2 frames is incredibly disorienting and will make you sick

left eye is fine

[winged scarab]

True

[warm cedar]

I'm asking every hour lol

[sturdy nebula]

Its what I feared, but im gonna have to update all these .fbx anyway lol

[inner kayak]

keep it in beta long enough for me to test ik beta when i get home

[warm cedar]

ik beta is seperate thoufh

[hallow drift]

you can add a new gameobject from unity to replicate that

[inner kayak]

but it’ll need time to merge

[warm cedar]

Later

not now

[dusk pagoda]

wouldnt that mean breaking prefab? or am I misunderstanding

[hallow drift]

nah you can do the same to add colliders

[inner kayak]

[hallow drift]

you're adding something in, not moving an existing thing around

[sullen elk]

I think the Unity exclusive people who willingly break their prefabs to rearrange bones are insane

[sturdy nebula]

Its probably a better practice, to add the root bone anyway- I just aghh...work.

[hallow drift]

but unity sometimes thinks otherwise and says I need to unpack to move it around

[inner kayak]

i do that when testing a lot

[hallow drift]

but then I just move it out of the prefab, and then move it back in to it's proper spot and it works fine ?????

thanks unity really cool

[sullen elk]

Keyword testing Nodders

[warm cedar]

Contacts don't have a limit it seema

[near grove]

We need more proper optimization in the entire community, I will just say that. Would help if there were more automatic options in unity instead of having to go back to your modeling program to merge things together

And well lower the unique material amount

[warm cedar]

you can do that in blender

[near grove]

But It's a entire process that kinda just doesn't flow well

[small sundial]

CATS is great when it works.

[hallow drift]

a CATS-lite for unity would be a immense help for most

[timber jewel]

they have performance rankings, but no hard limits yeah

[warm cedar]

Being a unity only user, I'd still give blender a chance. It's a very powerful tool.

[warm cedar]

good, that's nice at least

infinite petting contacts

[hallow drift]

that said, blender is easy as hell to learn for vrchat stuff

[near grove]

Very light Decimation can work but that's definitely going to stay a CATS thing

[timber jewel]

PC Limits

[warm cedar]

Hmm yes

32 contacts

challenge accepte

[near grove]

PC limits are just soft limits

[timber jewel]

Quest Limits

[warm cedar]

Oh they do have hard limits lol

more than I would ever deem necessary so I'm good lol

[timber jewel]

oh ture you are right

[warm cedar]

Will try those 32 on pc one day tho, seems like a fun experiment

[near grove]

Hard limit beyond whats listed

[warm cedar]

I know bud. I know.

[warm cedar]

maybe like, a 32 character long code to play an animation....

[wraith island]

The first and only time i ever used blender was to unflip a flipped hip bone

[warm cedar]

Splatoon fan detected, opinion tolerated.

[timber jewel]

lmao

[warm cedar]

Don't judge me

[timber jewel]

I wont

[near grove]

Splatoon is just okay but beyond the point

[noble sluice]

this will never stop being fun

(both of these are the reference amount for Poor)

[warm cedar]

Oh that is satisfying

I'm downloading that

[near grove]

Poor PC or quest?

[noble sluice]

PC

[timber jewel]

hahahahaha ha xD
https://streamable.com/a05l2r

[wheat fjord]

• PhysBones is now part of the Minimum Displayed Performance Rank system, and will now be disabled for any avatars that exceed the set rank if they pass the limits for the Rank set
  • If an avatar exceeds the set Minimum Rank due to PhysBones, all PhysBones systems will be removed from that avatar

Could someone explain this more concisely? Does this just mean now physbones are respecting the performance rank system? Are they removed if they go over very poor ON PC? If so that seems incorrect, they don't on the RC Beta, and no warning is on the SDK ON PC. This seems to be horribly worded

[near grove]

I honestly want to see that turned into a avatar

[warm cedar]

If more than the hard limit are on the avi

it gets removed entirely

[noble sluice]

it is!

[forest quest]

on quest I think

[noble sluice]

that and like, a dozen other tests are gonna be crammed into one

[timber jewel]

That's what my "Performance Test" was btw xD

[noble sluice]

(performance rank will be abysmal but that's how it is 😔)

[warm cedar]

Show off in video ?

[wheat fjord]

That doesn't seem to be true ON PC in VRChat's RC beta that was just released. I'm on right now testing my avatar and what you're saying is totally the opposite of what I'm seeing

[near grove]

Now make multiple different versions with less hairs or grouped hairs.

[forest quest]

i will finally be able to release my galaga port 🙏

[noble sluice]

already done! 😺

[timber jewel]

PC doesn't have any hard limits

only Quest does

[near grove]

We need to see them all

[wheat fjord]

Thanks that's more clear

[near grove]

And the actual hard limit is pretty far off

[wraith island]

Only avatar that still won't get any physbones is my Quest fallback

[warm cedar]

Quest.

Quest has a hard limit

[wraith island]

Because medium Physbone rank on Quest

[timber jewel]

you could though

[near grove]

Just near impossible

Well grouped ears and tail only

[forest quest]

singular physbone on fallback

[timber jewel]

You could give it 4 Phys Bones Octo xD

[inner kayak]

i still use fake dynamics on my fallback

[noble sluice]

they're not all interesting together, the point is to be able to toggle individual tests as needed for demonstration purposes

[timber jewel]

Fake Dynamics?

[forest quest]

fake dynamics

what

[near grove]

You can fake them

[inner kayak]

animated dynamics using AngularY and VelocityXZ

[timber jewel]

ahhhhh

[forest quest]

fake deez

[inner kayak]

all my avatars have had it for a while

[forest quest]

oh my

[near grove]

It's probably a good optimization trick to get more out of the real ones

[wraith island]

Today I'll swap out the OSC clock with another i currently use. Performance stats will get slightly worse by that

[inner kayak]

https://youtu.be/0vrvnuwIqlg

[timber jewel]

why that?

[wraith island]

Since the clock is 6 mats itself while the current one less

[warm cedar]

or just

fix the clock

and have only 1 mat

[timber jewel]

I fell like fake Dynamics wont really work on my Quest Fallback xD

[wraith island]

Idk how that works

And if it's even possible since it has multiple dynamic elements

[inner kayak]

[warm cedar]

"Questmie please enawbel my avataw :,("

[near grove]

I think a low poly rex would be a good thing to have.

[wraith island]

Also the clock has a automated script for setup

I got this one https://fuuujin.gumroad.com/l/MoonphaseWatch

[timber jewel]

there is one and it looks terrible xD

[near grove]

I mean one specifically low poly

Not just a decimated rex

[warm cedar]

Quest is a shit platform to work for, something we can all agree on

[timber jewel]

the Rex it self is just a tiny bit below the 70k Poly limit on PC, there is no way to get that down to like 10k

[wraith island]

My fallback also looks ass lmao

[inner kayak]

you can, it don’t need to look beautiful

mine is also a bit special

[near grove]

Quest 1 is a relatively bad platform to work on

[timber jewel]

I don't know if I would prefer that over just the plan of shame I currently have xD

[warm cedar]

And it's dragging behind the quest 2

[inner kayak]

my fallback feather turned into a razor after decimation huh

[near grove]

Yep even on other software

[wraith island]

My Quest 1 is a glorified pcvr headset

[sullen elk]

Once I realized how bad my avatar looked on Quest I went out of my way to retopologize an entire new version of it specifically for Quest

[inner kayak]

i set my fallback stuff up when the new fallback system released, and i completely forgot how messy my quest version was

[noble sluice]

max-length chains (the first thing I initially tested ages ago) are still fun to compare

[timber jewel]

yeah I'm not so sure about how that would look here xD

[inner kayak]

it’ll be fine

[silver ledge]

left is fallback, it is doable (well, the complete one is 31k)

[wraith island]

Also Poiyomi v8 released to public. Remember to update ya shaders

[timber jewel]

which side is what?

[noble sluice]

take a wild guess hahah

[timber jewel]

Is the UI still completely different from 7.0?

[wraith island]

Uh yeah

[timber jewel]

yeah no then I wont unless I need any of the new features / fixes

[silver ledge]

it is considered public testing, so if one wants utmost stability stick with 7

[near grove]

I will say VRchat needs to get a few more shader types

[wraith island]

I use poi 8 for months already and it's fine

[toxic verge]

Oh, an author of Bonk Bonk? I often use your avatars to write with quest player. Thank you for making them.

[timber jewel]

@silver ledge have you ready what I pinged you about idk like a 9h ago?

[sullen elk]

Poi 8 is awesome.
Separate dissolve sliders, locking parameters. So good

[silver ledge]

where did you ping? xD

[wraith island]

Audiolink :(

[silver ledge]

separate dissolve sliders are a thing since 7.1 btw

[timber jewel]

here xD

[near grove]

I will say getting avatar objects to have physbones is going to be painful for quest.

[inner kayak]

i use it for desktop pen and umbrella as weapon

[wraith island]

People that like Audiolink Poiyomi 8 is kinda a must-have

[silver ledge]

thats news to me, i will check once they release fully if thats fine

[inner kayak]

i do not care what the topology looks like if i’m using a toon shader

[near grove]

I still don't get the reason people want audiolink

[inner kayak]

my fingers look like celery sticks and that’s fine by me

[modest ocean]

All my physbones avatars are now all ruined damn

[timber jewel]

sure, just confused why it only happens when I disable locomotion tbh

[wraith island]

It's really cool. It's pretty much a main feature of my avatars

[near grove]

It's time to accept your not getting every strand of hair it's own component.

[modest ocean]

Damn );

[inner kayak]

[sullen elk]

Shhhhh <3

[near grove]

You can have the whole hair group though use one or two

[small surge]

pc 49k vs 9k quest (fallback - had to loose some things) 🤷 eh well least i can use it on any avatar that does not have one

[wraith island]

I specifically got Poiyomi 8 cause it allowed me to make a really cool new Audiolink design. Now I've 2 Audiolink designs on my avatar

More to come still

[near grove]

Basically hard to tell unless you want to look closer

[timber jewel]

why has your Quest version a different hair colour? xD

[near grove]

Better compression?

[vast plaza]

quest users can only see 16 colors

[small surge]

its abit old, other uses rgb cycles/emission

[sullen elk]

My model was originally too realistic looking so it scared people off

[near grove]

Nah it's just a blurry gradient everywhere

[silver ledge]

thats a pretty weird thing, the lite does simply stick with fbt idle all times except you move and dislocomotion is disabled. meaning if you toggle it on and off, it should have no impact on your avatar at all. (unlike the full one, it goes into a separate state)

[near grove]

It's Tumblr

[wraith island]

Also with poi 8 i can actually choose the shader fallback

[timber jewel]

hmmm weird

[wraith island]

Which makes my avatars look way better if shaders are disabled

[silver ledge]

again, i will test with the full release. i will make a note

[timber jewel]

👍

[near grove]

They need to update the shader fallback system, or at least make shaders choose their fallback more easily

[winged scarab]

Wtf

[near grove]

They probably want good

[timber jewel]

what? nothing wrong there

[winged scarab]

😭

[near grove]

Or excellent

[winged scarab]

My brain

[timber jewel]

good has a max of 4, excellent has 0

[near grove]

so no physbones for quest

[winged scarab]

Ez

No update needed

[near grove]

It's called start grouping or you lose everything

[sullen elk]

Reading Nodders

[wraith island]

With Poiyomi 8 my avatars fallback to a toon fallback shader instead of Standard which used to make the avatar look glossy with specular reflections. Just didn't look that nice.

[silver ledge]

poi8 👍

[sullen elk]

The standard default is bad :(

[wraith island]

I use the toon one

[near grove]

VRchat even has its own specific mobile shader they definitely could make it better

[vast plaza]

i got poiyomi pro to fallback to toon by adding "-Toon" to the material name. since it creates a new shader when locked that then has the word Toon on it, it will fallback to toon instead of standard

[winged scarab]

Devs seeing the chaos from the limit decision😅

[near grove]

Quest 1 bringing the larger Quest 2 userbase down unfortunately

[silver ledge]

and multylayer math shading

sigh now i need to update even more avis

[near grove]

We really need specifics about the userbase from the devs

[winged scarab]

Back to unity for me💀

[wraith island]

Yeah that one did reset all my shading settings

But i got it again

[silver ledge]

well, he said so. i am happy with the results i got and made it animateable to adjust to a couple of worlds, works way better than i expected

[warm cedar]

Eh, it's fine

They're doing it to avoid the death of thousands of headsets

[near grove]

We can live but we scream in pain internally

[warm cedar]

64 is still very generous

[near grove]

cant they add a option tho so the larger base aka quest 2 can see more

More segmentation = bad

More parity = good

[winged scarab]

😐

[warm cedar]

Quest will never be 100% at parity with pc.

[near grove]

Definitely how it should be ideally

[warm cedar]

Get that. in your. head.

[near grove]

dude we never lagged tho when there wasnt such a tight limit

whats harm of 5 more componets

[near grove]

And I know that point.

[timber jewel]

gosh please no, I don't need a 5th version of my Avatar I need to maintain

We already have PC, PC Fallback, Quest, Quest Fallback

[wraith island]

I'm just waiting on VRChat to fully release avatar dynamics so i can be able to update my avatars again. As long as it's not released i can't update any avatars

[timber jewel]

enough is enough

[near grove]

You can and should

[wraith island]

I can't currently

[winged scarab]

Welcome to vrc

[timber jewel]

it will hopfully come out soon :p

[wraith island]

Since it would remove dynamic bones

[heavy jacinth]

Duplicate your project

[wraith island]

Then i would have no dynamics at all

[near grove]

Well that's just how it has to be

[wraith island]

Since on live version of VRChat physbones isn't a whitelisted component

[tough lagoon]

I just made a copy of my project and I'm converting and re adjusting the bones and stuff before its released so I can update pretty easily

[near grove]

Unfortunately unity project sizes are huge

[wraith island]

My avatars are already now setup with physbones but outside a test avatar i can't update any of the public ones currently

[heavy jacinth]

mfs who have one mega project 💀

[near grove]

5gb unity project with several avatars

[wraith island]

5gb isn't that big

Relatively small

My project is 2-3GB with only one avatar

[near grove]

What in god's name is in there

[heavy jacinth]

20 gb is fun

[wraith island]

Tons of assets

I do have 20+GB of assets alone

[heavy jacinth]

All in all I’ve got like 600-700 gb of unity projects?

[near grove]

I'd just imagine a single 1tb project.

[heavy jacinth]

I once had a 250gb unity log file lmao

[silver ledge]

~250gb of assets/avatars/textures etc. and the unity project folder is still calculating

[near grove]

That's about 60 avatars plus props.

[wraith island]

And with assets i don't even include unity projects, only textures, models and unity packages of single objects

[heavy jacinth]

substance painter projects are the file type that takes up the most space on my drives

[wraith island]

I've all in a cloud saved but soon I'm moving everything from cloud to external hard drive. Cloud backup recently got annoying as hell.

[tough lagoon]

my unity project folder was once at 500gb of stuff. I cleaned it out not long ago nows it under 50gb

[noble sluice]

one last preview, showing off the visible cube mode with two of the tree-based examples

okay now I really gotta get back to work

[silver ledge]

i feel your pain, i even excluded the auto saves from my backup:

robocopy "E:\unity-sources" "\\servername\unity\sources" /MIR /XF "*_autosave_1.spp" /XF "*_autosave_0.spp"

[heavy jacinth]

But sometimes you work on those autosaves cause the shit crashed midway 💀

[silver ledge]

oh, thats manageable

[near grove]

2020 unity might make things better by a small margin

[timber jewel]

is red Phys Bones?

[wraith island]

Oh yeah i might be able to actually run substance painter now. I should still have a cracked version laying around lmao

[noble sluice]

no, green

[near grove]

But at this point just give us 2021

[noble sluice]

physbones has been on the right of all of my examples

[timber jewel]

ohhh

wow

[heavy jacinth]

lmao

[timber jewel]

Then Phys Bones look wayyyy better xD

[silver ledge]

yeah, but i always ensure if i am working on stuff that the project gets properly saved before hitting my backup script

[heavy jacinth]

2020+ has not been done yet for a reason lol

[wraith island]

Currently i only have mobile data so uploading affects my ping heavily same as downloading

That a why i can unfortunately hit 2000+ ping in VRChat very easily

[timber jewel]

I'm honestly surprised at how much better it looks with Phys Bones

[near grove]

The change to instanced-single view stereo, or is there more to consider?

[wraith island]

It's a very complicated update as this will result in a big content wipe

[noble sluice]

to be fair, both cases aren't 1:1 matched perfectly, they're just default settings (which ARE similar AFAIK)

[near grove]

I still don't know the specifics.

[heavy jacinth]

Isn’t 2020 URP/HDRP only?

[near grove]

Nope, Legacy seems to stay the entire time if I remember

[wraith island]

Upgrading to 2020 will break most shaders

[noble sluice]

but like, even with tweaking the settings- DB is still a far more jittery system and can't handle long chains even remotely well

[near grove]

Honestly that kind of upgrade can do so much to shaders it's not even funny

And in theory allows for custom shaders on quest

With limitations

[heavy jacinth]

And would break every current avatar lmao

[near grove]

Yep

[heavy jacinth]

and world while we’re at it

[near grove]

Unless somehow we can convert to it automatically

Or fallback

fallback shaders for everyone

[heavy jacinth]

Hell no, they are not forcing fallbacks on every avatar lul

[near grove]

I'm just being funny

[heavy jacinth]

I know I know

that would be awful though 🥴

[gilded rune]

yo, does anyone have a decent booba jiggle physics?

[wraith island]

Yeah i don't want to play quest experience lol

[gilded rune]

i'd love you forever

[near grove]

Though in built fallbacks exist

[wraith island]

Not having shaders would be a huge turn-off for me lmao

[muted bloom]

Dynamic bones aren’t getting removed

You’ll still be able to upload them

[wraith island]

My Dynamic Bones in my unity project got converted to physbones though

[muted bloom]

Only because you hit auto fix on the inspector

[raven laurel]

still dynamic bones gonna be converted in future

without being able to use them

so dont use them at all now

[muted bloom]

Not by force, anyone can disable the auto converter and continue to see dynamic bones that were uploaded that way if they want to

[wraith island]

So because i updated my avatars in my project they technically aren't live compatible anymore

[muted bloom]

It wasn’t advisable to convert that early because the converter wasn’t perfect early on

[inner creek]

So you didn't duplicate your model to test avatar dynamics?

[wraith island]

No since i always have project backups

[heavy jacinth]

I know, and believe me, with like 90% of avatars using a toon shader of some sort, this is not happening haha

[muted bloom]

You should duplicate your model to keep a version of dynamic bones so you can run a newer version of the converter at a later time

[inner creek]

Then if you have a backup what is the problem?

[near grove]

I mean it can happen and would be beneficial to the quest version.

[safe zephyr]

anybody has some good jiggle physics for butt and chest? I figured hair settings out but the rest is just annoying

[wraith island]

Working on dynamic bones for other stuff would mean double work since i would have to do the same work on the Physbone versions then too

[near grove]

Once the physbones beta is live you won't need to keep the dynamic bones version

[wraith island]

I don't even have the dynamic bones version anymore. I keep backups only up to a certain time

Older backups will eventually get deleted and only most recent one stays

[heavy jacinth]

The quest doesn’t even use standard unity shaders

[inner creek]

I don't know why you wouldn't just do the dynamic bone and physbone version in the same scene. This seems like a you problem

[near grove]

Hopefully the update comes out to live soon

Probably not just yet

[real gate]

Yo does anyone know If dynamic bones beta work for quest yet or is the bugs still messing it up

[timber jewel]

it will

[open kite]

ALL Shaders actually, no exception

[wraith island]

I already have 7 different versions. Adding for every single one another version which i would need to keep updating for every change unrelated to dynamic bones/physbones would add up a ton of work

[near grove]

*Physbones

Not the same system

[wraith island]

I said most since we got future proof in sdk now for shader compiling

[shrewd estuary]

no shaders? :megamindnobitches:

[warm cedar]

Tupper live release when?

[heavy jacinth]

which everybody turns off 💀

[real gate]

Has any bugs been reported yet

[wraith island]

That one you can't turn off

Shader futures proof is different from the normal future proof option and is always enabled on recent sdks

[open kite]

No, that's not the issue, the issue is that from 2020 onwards the way Unity renders VR is fundamentally different. Shaders require specific coding to be able to get rendered in VR. Upgrading VRChat to a newer Unity Version will break every single piece of content that has ever been uploaded, because none of those shaders meet the render requirements. Shaders get compiled on upload so there's no way to change them. Upgrading Unity would mean a content wipe.

[wraith island]

It automatically runs during compilation of shaders

[wraith island]

What about Poiyomi etc that already support and compile with the new system?

[muted bloom]

They may continue to improve the converter in the future so it’s always handy to keep a duplicated model that still has dynamic bones if you really like how they move, the converter may make phys bones more similar post-conversion

[open kite]

They do?

[wraith island]

Yes

[open kite]

Well that's great actually

[wraith island]

Poiyomi 8 is confirmed to be 100% supported for unity 2020

[open kite]

But everything that was uploaded without that new system will unfortunately break in VR

[wraith island]

Yeah

[toxic verge]

Are we talking about for SPI or URP supported shader?

[open kite]

And Unity 2019s LTS is ending this year

[wraith island]

That's the reason i said most shaders. People that use newest sdks and a compatible shaders will get lucky probably

[timber jewel]

just jump directly to Unity 2022 xD

[open kite]

I don't get why they don't aim for a bigger jump actually

[timber jewel]

stability most likely

[open kite]

Seems like it

[heavy jacinth]

Is there even a point to upgrading Unity versions at this point if we’re staying on SRP?

[timber jewel]

and Untiy 2021 just entered LTS

[raven laurel]

unity 2021 released lts version so it is more likely

2022 is not near lts

[open kite]

We have to at some point

Technology advances, long time support runs out

[timber jewel]

there are also other nice features in newer Unity version than just URP or HDRP

[open kite]

Shader Graph and VFX Graph babyyyyyy

[wraith island]

Unfortunately some shaders on my avatar will die

But these are pretty minor features so eh whatever

[timber jewel]

I was honestly surprised that you could just run VRChat in DX12 mode btw

works completely fine but Post Processioning is broken with it xD

[wraith island]

For world's i wonder if mochi will upgrade the waterbed shader and the Audiolink one

[raven laurel]

and only in desktopmode

[timber jewel]

ahhh okay haven't tested in VR mode

[raven laurel]

but dx12 fixes for some performance issues

which is weird

[wraith island]

Lol for VRChat i also now force V-Sync on if on open beta

[wheat fjord]

because thats generally not what you would expect?

[crisp dragon]

Wait so is physbones releaseing today?

[warm cedar]

Tupper live release when moment?

[raven laurel]

i kinda expected it since rtx 30xx series seems to only be affected

[shrewd estuary]

perchance.

[wheat fjord]

Today or tomorrow if there's no major bugs

[shrewd estuary]

tupper can't play game rn, vrcat took headset.

[wraith island]

Rufjfjdj

[scenic phoenix]

Thank god physbones gives my crappy avatar testing laptop powered by a ryzen 3 3250u more frames

[wraith island]

My vrcat is in package station ahdh

VRCat pics today

One more plush for my plush pile in my bed

[warm cedar]

won't stop me asking

[crisp dragon]

Gotcha, just trying to prepare myself mentally to update 100s of avatars iade for commissions

[warm cedar]

Yeah I'm gunna ask 2 paypal bucks to convert something from now on, sanity tax.

[crisp dragon]

Nah Im gonna do it on my own time so that way I can actually do commissions that pay well so I'm not charging

For now

[wraith island]

If i would do commissions i would do a rule that excludes me have to fix avatars from other people if they aren't broken

So only an actual breaking change would allow for free fixes

[crisp dragon]

Yeah I'm gonna tell people that I can't for a while. I only do it to get food publicity for my work and plus when someone on quest sees it they are more likely to commission when they see floopy ears or something

[vague wolf]

Smart

[crisp dragon]

But if they demand and are ruse about it...$5 rudeness fee

Rude not ruse lol

[warm cedar]

Englosh mometrnr

[scenic phoenix]

Or just charge an update fee a friend of mine does commissions and charges extra for toggles and accessories over a certain limit

[near grove]

I'd do it with a period of free updating, and then charge a update fee

[heavy jacinth]

Fixing or adding things after game changing updates should only be done if agreed upon beforehand and shouldn’t be expected from avatar artists for free

[sullen elk]

Who’s making creators update their commissions without agreement
I’ll burn their names into my memory

[turbid saffron]

Translation: I still use stolen assets and claim I made it from scratch by pinching the nose and making the lips stupid.

[crisp dragon]

I also start deleting files from really old coms so people don't come to me like a year later being like can you update for free

[heavy jacinth]

lmao

[turbid saffron]

That said, depending on how much traffic it gets, it's probably okay to drop it.

[crisp dragon]

It gets dicey tho when you get like 20 coms a month

[turbid saffron]

Old models are old models.

[sullen elk]

I still respect my boy who customized his model by making the arse flat

[crisp dragon]

Storage becomes an issue really fast

Like really fast XD

[muted bloom]

That’s standard license. Do you not give your commissioned work with a license? If not you should.

Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS, WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.```

Technically you don’t even need to, it is standard

[heavy jacinth]

Tell me about it 🥴

[crisp dragon]

At its peak my folder was taking up 800gbs

[shrewd estuary]

good christ

[near grove]

Honestly avatar warranty could definitely be a nice addition to a license

[heavy jacinth]

Unity projects only? Or unity projects + substance painter projects?

[wraith island]

I don't need to deal with licenses as i don't do commissions

[crisp dragon]

Both

[shrewd estuary]

hey we're calling you to talk about your avatar's extended warranty

[heavy jacinth]

Nice, I probably have some 1.5 tb of stuff by now

Can’t get myself to delete anything

[crisp dragon]

I'm planning to do a huge upgrade to my PC just so I can keep up better

[muted bloom]

Like heck it does. Once you get your model I’m burning your phone number

[heavy jacinth]

I absolutely need to get more storage

[raven laurel]

just buy hard drive they are cheap

[digital swallow]

Hmm constraints with dynamic bones worked before by constraining the dynamic bones to ittself, with the interaction now working as intended with physbones this means its time to fix things

[crisp dragon]

I do this kind of stuff

These one took up a gig 🤣

[near grove]

Perfectly reasonable in my opinion

[crisp dragon]

I mean the base file is 10 times smaller

I want a big ssd over a hard drive. Lower risk of failure and faster speed outweighs the higher cost in my opinion

[shrewd estuary]

ssds are worth it

[raven laurel]

i have 2tb nvme for projects

bought it on amazon when it was super cheap

[near grove]

I'd be scared of that unless it's a brand that's well known

[raven laurel]

wd green

so it's good

[near grove]

So decent pci 3.0 speed

[obsidian wagon]

i’m pretty sure i have like 20 projects on a ps4 hard drive just sitting in my case

i like living on the edge

[heavy jacinth]

and like 40 tbw

[raven laurel]

yes but kinda sad bcs it is almost 1.5 tb full

[small surge]

2 local backups + nas + cloud (encrypted) auto synchs only files that change

[wraith island]

The cloud i used fucked up their program

If i pause the upload and continue it later on it will fail to finish the upload and restart instead

[small surge]

Like the 2tb firecuda's tbw on them are much higher then my old ones, whenever i upgrade this 🥔 pc

[crisp dragon]

I'm gunning for an i9

For that maximum speed 🚄

[wraith island]

I think there is actually no cloud provider anymore which program allows to continue the upload later even after restarting the pc

[sullen elk]

Cloud storage is awesome

[wraith island]

Yeah but now all of the sync programs suck

No one meets that one demand anymore

[sullen elk]

I picked up an i9 11900. It’s been awesome

[wraith island]

To be able to continue uploads even after restarting the pc

[crisp dragon]

I'm going for the 12900k

[wraith island]

So I'll probably resort to local backups from now on

[sullen elk]

I wish I had the socket type to go further beyond ;-;

[wraith island]

I've a i9-10900k

[inland minnow]

So why is the hard limit of bones for quest so low?

[raven laurel]

bcs of quest 1

[sullen elk]

Bones or phys bones

[crisp dragon]

It retrospect it really isn't

[near grove]

I'm the AMD camp, AM4 maybe going out but the chips are really good either way.

[wraith island]

F on that part

[inland minnow]

Phys bones

[wraith island]

Honestly just drop the support for Quest 1. Game can still be available for it but not considered for anything anymore

[sullen elk]

It isn’t that tight, you’re not maximizing their usage and efficiency

[inland minnow]

Isn’t the limit like 6?

[near grove]

8

8 bone chains

[sullen elk]

8 components, 64 transforms

That’s plenty. Make smart uses of Roots to group chains under and you’ll be fine

[inland minnow]

alr

[near grove]

It's reasonable if tighter than expected

[wraith island]

I think i have 4 components

[near grove]

We know definitely 16+ is perfectly fine on Quest 2, at least for a single avatar

[fresh notch]

after I let go a phys bone on a limb that's been streched the next time I stretch this happens
I've been trying to reach out on the feedback page but no response
I've updated the project with the latest version just now

[obsidian wagon]

the bad thing about grouping together is your only able to grab 1 bone in the group at a time

[wraith island]

Btw anyone else disables posing here? i did

[near grove]

Should be able to grab multiple but I'm not sure of specifics

[obsidian wagon]

last time i check when grouping my hair under 1 component i could only grab 1 at a time

[sullen elk]

Sacrifices and compromises to make

[near grove]

Still relatively good

[obsidian wagon]

yea

just unfortunate when wanting to play with both ears and once 🥲

[near grove]

Use a few more components

You'll likely be very poor but it works

[median furnace]

Have there been any good video guides to physbones yet??

[obsidian wagon]

my avis are already very poor lmao

[timber jewel]

I think Phys Bones aren't really meant to be on your Armature xD

[obsidian wagon]

but it’s funny

i made an L model’s armature a physbone component

[fresh notch]

then why do they work in the first place?

works fine except for the stretch part

[warm cedar]

Tupper live update when moment?

[near grove]

I will say we need to take a vote as a community to see if we should keep quest 1 in the scope of VRchat

[timber jewel]

are you going to ask this every 30 min from now on? xD

[obsidian wagon]

i say we nuke quest 1’s

[warm cedar]

No not really

but maybe....

[wraith island]

Agreed. Pointless to still support that platform

[ebon marlin]

Vrc has taken steps to extend quest options since majority of people are on quest 2 now. Don't think they are restricting things too much still based on quest 1.

Like world size was increased a while back.

[near grove]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1189-change-quest-hard-limits-to-a-toggle

[near grove]

Still based for quest 1, the world size increase does work on quest 1 either way

[wraith island]

Most quest users don't even know performance options exist lmao

[near grove]

(also old quest/rift s controllers really show that fact off

[warm cedar]

This is why you should always create medium avatars

they are hurrendously hidden

[near grove]

Safety needs a proper update

It's just not good visually

[wraith island]

Not possible with a pen unfortunately

[peak charm]

Aren’t medium avatars getting to that rank kinda hard depending on textures and materials for Quest 1 & Quest 2?

[near grove]

Why are you having a pen in a avatar?

[peak charm]

Especially good avatars?

[near grove]

On quest

[warm cedar]

it shouldn't be if you know how to optimise.

[small sundial]

If you're trying to cram something made for PC to Quest it can be a challenge, but still possible.

[timber jewel]

I would say those are some really fair limits on Quest

[warm cedar]

not E-girls, at all

[near grove]

Fair definitely for quest 1. Kinda odd for 2

[warm cedar]

I don't even use "good" on my avatars, this is VERY generous

[median furnace]

People have pens on their avatars so they can communicate without a mic

[timber jewel]

even for Quest 2 it is

[median furnace]

Or just to have fun and doodle

[timber jewel]

you can have 64 bones that can have Physics, which is a lot

[wraith island]

Also getting to medium rank would make it complicated with how i manage textures and material toggles

[warm cedar]

people overestimating a quest 2, times never change

[warm cedar]

sounds like a you problem, sorry bud

[wraith island]

I know

[warm cedar]

no worries, shaming has no point here

do your best, that's what matters

[wraith island]

I've 9 different colors + one toggle for a galaxy design on Quest.

[timber jewel]

your Quest runs on a smartphone chip.....

[warm cedar]

Albeit overclocked

[timber jewel]

that is more then enough

[warm cedar]

not very stronk

smartphone calculation not stronk, unable to commit physiek

[finite mango]

CPU is underclocked on the Q2

[small sundial]

On a Quest 2 you almost never get 72fps on your average world.

[warm cedar]

Oh.

OH.

[wraith island]

I maybe could try cats baking feature

[timber jewel]

Yup it is

[small surge]

yep it is, to much heat

[warm cedar]

Yeah mhhm, that limit is more than generous.

yep. I agree 100% now

[outer python]

I'm kinda pissed cause now my eastern dragon puppet avatars is basically useless to me

[sullen elk]

Making a good bake is a very gratifying process

[wraith island]

I need to figure out how to make all textures compatible with the same atlas then though

[warm cedar]

UV wrappin' my fjiends

[near grove]

Unfortunately the pico neo 3 isn't going to be better

[hazy geode]

No bug reports?

[sullen elk]

And UV map names

[hazy geode]

[warm cedar]

Thank you, whomever made this

[hazy geode]

Today release??

[warm cedar]

you saved the life of several headsets

[raven laurel]

wonder how meta cambria gonna perform

[hazy geode]

I already want to start updating my models

[spice pawn]

Most times I get like just over 10fps on worlds

[timber jewel]

I did lol

[median furnace]

I think a lot of people are still testing for bugs

[wraith island]

Yeah dunno how that works and if it's possible to UV map multiple textures together + apply the same UV to all other textures

[warm cedar]

[I know, but I think the questies will kill you]

[hallow drift]

can you link that plz <3

[timber jewel]

pff idc

[finite mango]

The best we can hope for is that the CPU isn't underclocked, but it will still be a XR2

[warm cedar]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1189-prevent-avatar-upload-on-quest-when-phys-bones-make-it-very-poor

[sullen elk]

There was one bug report but that’s phys bones on a humanoid bone which is known to not play nice already.

[hallow drift]

cheers

[near grove]

Probably better especially with the analytics they got from the quest 2 that showed quite alot of heat and CPU usage

[outer python]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1189-change-quest-hard-limits-to-a-toggle

[median furnace]

I've gotta test all my avis again. I know a bunch of stuff got fixed but I've been more focused on ik beta instead of physbones.

I still have to learn physbones tbh

[raven laurel]

would be funny if it still had same limits as quest

[wraith island]

The only thing really holding me back on the possibility of getting medium rank is that i don't know how to handle all different color textures + eye textures and make them all compatible with the same UV layout

[sullen elk]

Not home so I can’t upvote right now

[wraith island]

Oh and bracelets textures too

[finite mango]

Will probably, the amount of Cambria's won't be many enough to warrant change.

[warm cedar]

material swaps, my tentacle friend

[sullen elk]

Atlasing, baking would do a similar thing by baking all your colors onto one texture but you need a good spread out uv layout

[hazy geode]

Easy

[median furnace]

I'm sure there's people in the server who could help with figuring that stuff out. Might just take some extra work.

[near grove]

I will say I want to see how a Ryzen 6000 with the RX680M performs with VRchat.

[warm cedar]

Better on the cpu, maybe even better on the gpu if possible.

[sullen elk]

I like sliding my UVs around :)

[warm cedar]

unless this is an old old processor

which is unfair to compare

[hazy geode]

Cats has a mesh joining plugin

My quest model is already medium performance. And all my toggles still work (glasses, hood, hoodie, earrings,)

[wraith island]

Ye that i know. But what i for example don't want is different models for every texture. Idk i just don't know blender

[warm cedar]

In unity smartass xD

[small sundial]

I'm not sure what your texture looks like, but I use a technique where I use texture offsets to swap the appearance of the avatar. I use a flat colors method of texturing so I'm unsure if it will help you.

[warm cedar]

Simply change the hue of the different materials, and create a blend tree

[wraith island]

Not possible without texture masks

[median furnace]

They don't want multiple materials is what they're saying

[warm cedar]

I did not read

[median furnace]

Oh texture offsets is actually genius

[warm cedar]

sorry, been a long day 😅

[outer python]

We need the hard limit to be a toggle like dynamic bones had on PC

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1189-change-quest-hard-limits-to-a-toggle

[silver ledge]

and no, its not released yet

[near grove]

Considering I get at least 20 fps overall with a 3500U and a Vega iGPU.

[silver ledge]

:p

[inner kayak]

[wraith island]

Texture contains multiple colors and not every color should be affected by a color swap. But they're different avatars for each color anyways

[inner kayak]

limits bring on creativity

[warm cedar]

NO! You don't get to respond! Tupper does

[inner kayak]

look at fake dynamics and fake playspace for example

[near grove]

And that is with a active video encoding load

[scenic phoenix]

I honestly prefer it just removing the bones than declining the upload simply for the fact of (ease

[hazy geode]

I just hope it comes out today

[scenic phoenix]

And my auto correct hates me

[hazy geode]

I don't see any bad bugs

[hallow drift]

I see a bug

[sullen elk]

Slide them UV maps around, it’s fun I tell you

[outer python]

I hope it doesn't come out today they need to let us choose whether or not we have the hard limit on quest

[hallow drift]

the spider is getting too close to my basestation

[warm cedar]

Spray it

[hallow drift]

I'll see myself out now thanks for coming

[warm cedar]

destroy it

[hallow drift]

nah spiders are chill

I'll scoop him outside

[warm cedar]

Spiders terrify me

[outer python]

Burn it with fire

[warm cedar]

throw it outside

[small surge]

pinch a leg and flick it out

[warm cedar]

Volkor: spiders are cool
the rest of the vrchat community

https://tenor.com/bCZRi.gif

[hallow drift]

do you not just scoop it up into your hands?

[timber jewel]

I hate spiders

[hallow drift]

man non-aussies are odd

[median furnace]

I still gotta explore video guides for physbones

[timber jewel]

@tender dome is working on one :p

[outer python]

That's a huge nope

[median furnace]

I'm not good at figuring stuff out on my own or with text explanations so I was lost last time I was trying to learn when it first came out

[hallow drift]

talking about spiders - damn I really need to work on the spider avatar ik stuff

[median furnace]

Thank god lmao

[hallow drift]

I reallly can't figure out how finalik works

[wraith island]

Yeah basically i want to have all textures work on one avatar base after atlasing them. However different colors go on a separate avatar upload each so they shouldn't be one big atlas too. Just one atlas per color

[median furnace]

I shouldn't have put off learning anyways but this wasn't the part of the beta that I was as excited for so I just waited

[hallow drift]

quest?

[wraith island]

Yes

[hallow drift]

ah

[wraith island]

Currently it's split into 3 mats

[hazy geode]

I hope it comes out today,

[hallow drift]

I was gonna say just be lazy and hue-swap mask

[warm cedar]

Tupper release moment when?

[outer python]

Still think we need the limit to be a toggle

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1189-change-quest-hard-limits-to-a-toggle

[muted brook]

I hope open beta comes out today so ik beta can be up and running by tomorrow

[warm cedar]

If they add this, and you cry about your performance once, I am going to call you the biggest clown.

[hallow drift]

actually, is it a single flat colour?

[near grove]

bruh pc has it why cant we

[warm cedar]

I'm out for today

[hazy geode]

[ebon marlin]

I got them to finally notice my canny bug so they better get that fixed before release.

[warm cedar]

You guys handle this.

[median furnace]

I guarantee it's gonna be a long day of a lot of complaints when people start having issues with physbones at first when the update releases

[hallow drift]

or does the texture have a proper, well texture to it

[wraith island]

No

[hallow drift]

ah welp i'm out of fancy-hack ideas then

[sullen elk]

They’ll deal with it and learn to live with it in time

[median furnace]

"I miss dynamic bones please bring back dynamic bone it was better :((("

[wraith island]

It'll be around 5 colors on one atlas

[outer python]

I rarely hang out in large groups and my avatars are all like "what's performance"

[hazy geode]

@outer python There is a reason it's not a toggle ..

Lots of quest users will complain about performance lose

[median furnace]

I wonder if dynamic bone lovers are gonna be similar to the people who won't let go of SDK 2

[near grove]

dont be salty

[hazy geode]

And it's not hard to optimize an avatar

[wraith island]

Eyes, bracelets have its own color + the body texture has 3 colors

[warm cedar]

Think so actually, but they'll get deprecated eventually

[hallow drift]

someone has told me that it's possible to switch out materials on the same slot and it counts as one material still, not sure how true that is though, might be worth just swapping out baked textures for each colour

[sullen elk]

Make a 5x10 color grid
Each set of 5 is a different color set, some colors stay the same for all sets
Slide your UV’s down in an animation

You now have 10 sets of 5 colors on one texture/material

Flat color Atlasing is very nice

[warm cedar]

I'm expecting the team to expand the conversion later on, so they might become near-perfected, or have some in-game customization

[wraith island]

That will make vram explode

[hallow drift]

depends on how big the textures are i guess

[warm cedar]

Hehe, Ram go brrrrrr

[wraith island]

In total it would be 9 2k textures

[hallow drift]

yikes

[near grove]

1k texture atlas

[hallow drift]

for a quest avi I'd just give up and put them down to 1k or less

[wraith island]

That's why separate avatar each color

[hallow drift]

me being mean but mostly lazy - want better textures, buy a pc

[wraith island]

1k looks really bad and blurry

[median furnace]

Yeah my initial issues were that every single avatar I had was broken with the conversion because of issues with force and some locomotion layers. I'm assuming the force stuff is probably better now and that locomotion is possibly still broken since that's not really their fault lmao.

[hallow drift]

yeah but how often are you changing colours

[near grove]

Honestly the texture problem is partially facebooks guidelines

Other part VRAM

[wraith island]

They're public avatars

[wet bluff]

1k looks great with a good uv unwrap

[hallow drift]

ahh

either way theres probably some smart-person way of doing it properly that I'm too braindead to think of

[warm cedar]

Don't worry about it, the vrchat team may be a bit slow and overlooking, but eventually they get things right

[hallow drift]

maybe a mix of atlas+offset + materialswaps

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[median furnace]

Octo's avis are all super cool and fancy without a lot of strain on the PC. They're fun.

[warm cedar]

World question mark

I require lin

link*

[hallow drift]

^

[outer python]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1189-change-quest-hard-limits-to-a-toggle

[warm cedar]

I want to favourite it, so I can check them when AD releases

[timber jewel]

could you stop spam posting this?

[wraith island]

VRCat arrived

[inner kayak]

honestly you’re better off campaigning in game than posting in this channel over and over

[warm cedar]

WORLD

Please

[timber jewel]

mine also got here today

[warm cedar]

VRcat cute but I require your WORLD.

[median furnace]

https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_50b1e2e7-235c-4fb1-bee9-72ce6956a4d6

[near grove]

We got other channels here

[warm cedar]

YErsh

[inner kayak]

i steal the fluff

[timber jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/746219315820363826/966684871374303232/20220421_145824.jpg

[median furnace]

@wraith island is great

[outer python]

Omg I want one

[median furnace]

I tested the avis for ik beta and I loved em

[warm cedar]

Octofloofy good because they are a splatoon fan which is make people yes

[scenic phoenix]

It was limited time

[hallow drift]

audiolink compat

hell yeah

[wraith island]

Alright someone posted link already

[warm cedar]

Bruh how in the world did you get 60k visits?

I can barely get 2k XD

Depends on the type of avatar you're giving out I suppose, cherubs aren't all that interesting compared to this

[small sundial]

Shame you can't favorite worlds directly from the website.

[wraith island]

I'm pretty much top 5 results if you search for Audiolink or Hobkin

[vast pier]

omegalul

[warm cedar]

I'm 2nd with "cherub"

Nope, first even

[median furnace]

The hobkin legs are so fun lmao I don't wear avis like that but I was having an insanely fun time with the way the hips and legs move

[wraith island]

Though my avis are mainly designed for pc. On Quest you don't have 99% of features.

[inner kayak]

quest support

[warm cedar]

Hey my avatars have just as much quest support!

[inner kayak]

then uh

[near grove]

Intrest

[inner kayak]

update a lot so it’s always in the recently updated row

[warm cedar]

Wish I could, next update will either be another update for the avis, or the beta -> live release update

[wraith island]

Lol i know how to kinda exploit the recently updated tab

[median furnace]

I've gotta put my VR on here in a minute and look at the beta stuff again

[wraith island]

I don't actually need to update the world to put it into the recently updated section

[warm cedar]

Lot of people ask me if I can get the hue to work on quest, with shaders.

Advice to you all: If someone talks about adding shaders on quest that are "verified", report and block them immediately.

[inner kayak]

rename, description, or thumbnail change i think..?

[warm cedar]

EXPLOITS

[wraith island]

I just quickly toggle debug on and off

[warm cedar]

debug?

[wraith island]

It's the last setting in world settings

On the website

[vast pier]

Highly frowned upon in the creator community.

[wraith island]

Enables debug gui for everyone

[lime yarrow]

This is a great conversation to be having in the public vrchat discord in the open beta channel

[wraith island]

But i don't really use it that much since i rarely play anyways

[warm cedar]

yeah but I'm not going to be doing it

Prefer to do things fair and square

[inner kayak]

oh you’d hate offtopic and avatar3help then

[drowsy lily]

most of the conversation here hasnt been about the beta, lmao. smh

[warm cedar]

every time we talk about the beta it becomes a near neo-political view on the limits

[lime yarrow]

Well Off topic is anything goes more or less so no surprise there

[wraith island]

I just once figured it out randomly after changing description on website and explored the limits of it. Don't actually use it. Yesterday i updated my world in a legit way and before its status didn't change for a few months

[sullen elk]

I just want to keep showing off my avatar

[warm cedar]

oh, you know what time it is

Tupper release live when moment?

[wraith island]

My world seems to have a few hundred visitors Daily by nature without me doing anything

[warm cedar]

well, you're giving an avatar that would attract mostly furry-types

and there are a LOT on vrchat

so, bigger crowd is a lot more interaction

[vast pier]

Avatar worlds generally have alot more active users

[crisp dragon]

I love showing off my stuff lol

[vast pier]

do it in #avatar-showcase

[sullen elk]

Were you the person I ran into yesterday?

[wraith island]

On sites like en.vrcw.net you can track your visit and favorite stats

[olive surge]

How do I convert dynamic bones to phys bones in Unity? I imported the SDK from the open beta announcement, but it didn't seem to come with Phys bones scripts and I dont see any way to convert

[crisp dragon]

Maybe I'm kinda everywhere lol

[warm cedar]

reimport it

[olive surge]

I did

[warm cedar]

happened to me too, could also be the wrong unity version

[sullen elk]

Did you do the world sdk or avatar sdk?

[crisp dragon]

Wait aren't you friends with zay?

[olive surge]

Avatar

[olive surge]

2019.4.31f1

[sullen elk]

Odd, search Contact in components, if there’s no contact scripts too then that’s a console debugging time

[olive surge]

Nothing

[drowsy lily]

delete sdk > close unity > re-open unity > re-import, unity can be a bit borked sometimes when it comes to reimporting things

try that

[olive surge]

Alright

[warm cedar]

Hehe, borked

[sullen elk]

Zay, I’m unfamiliar with that name unless you mean Ray

[warm cedar]

I see this as an insult

[olive surge]

This will be a true unity moment if it works

[sullen elk]

Sometimes you need to rebuild your library for Unity to be happy again

[olive surge]

It worked

Wild

Thankies

[lime yarrow]

It happens

Unity do be wildin

[warm cedar]

Unity is just a bitch.

[drowsy lily]

glad it helped

[warm cedar]

just sayu it

[olive surge]

Ive made 300 avatars and never have run into a problem that requires that💀

[lime yarrow]

No, I love unity

[wraith island]

Sometimes unity just refuses to be happy no matter what

[lime yarrow]

It's accessable and free

[olive surge]

Unity be doing a little bit of erroring on occasion

[warm cedar]

Stop living in your fantasies

[lime yarrow]

Lmao

[olive surge]

Same

unity based

[warm cedar]

That program will stop at nothing to pop a blood vessel

[sullen elk]

Unity is a good crude tool you can make beautiful sculptures out of

[warm cedar]

5 years later and it still taunts me in my dreams.

[wraith island]

Unity crashes if i try to change the shader on the Audiolink materials

[lime yarrow]

Like chisels and wood, vs a high end CNC router

[sullen elk]

That sounds like that material’s source file is borked from changing settings too many times

[wraith island]

I never changed the settings though

[sullen elk]

Swapping shaders always leaves behind a little bit of crud

I’ve had a many corrupt material back in the day of sdk2 and master shader

[inner kayak]

i spent a long time looking for a tool to clean up my materials for quest because of that

[wraith island]

Also i have a tool that removes left over junk from materials

[crisp dragon]

Nvm I'm think of someone else

[sullen elk]

I just give up and make a new one and copy paste the material settings

[wraith island]

I can't do that

[inner kayak]

my materials were like 2mb total but the tool stripped them down to a couple kb

i don’t remember the tool name though

[sullen elk]

I’ll have to look into this tool 👀

[wraith island]

My materials are often referenced in animations

[outer python]

How

[inner kayak]

swapped shader from poiyomi to matcap lit for quest, but the extra shader settings still existed

[sullen elk]

Neat, duplicate it, delete the source, make a new one with the same name in the same location and Unity will be like “ok i use this now”

[lime yarrow]

*outside of unity in the folder itself

[sullen elk]

Nodders

I do mine in Windows Explorer

[outer python]

Still think the quest limit needs to be a toggle in performance

[humble pulsar]

Damn we went so long without that being mentioned xD

[sullen elk]

Rally up more people to upvote your post instead of belaboring to the same crowd

[warm cedar]

he's trying to

we just have common sense

[sullen elk]

We’re the same crowd, we haven’t left ;-;
I haven’t left in 4 years

[warm cedar]

I haven't left because Tupper Live release moment when?

[vestal vigil]

ohhh

[lime yarrow]

That's a whole ass mood

[humble pulsar]

I’m a PC user but have upvoted it. I believe the best course of action they should do is keep the hard limit on quest but increase the amount of components that can be added.

[wraith island]

I'm still here sometimes

[near grove]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1189-change-quest-hard-limits-to-a-toggle

[outer python]

Ya see it's the fact that different people are on at different times and I want other quest users to have a chance to see it

[lime yarrow]

Lmfao

[wraith island]

I don't play nearly as much as 2020 and 2021 but sometimes on weekend i am

[sullen elk]

That’s a reasonable thing to me, 8-64 makes the assumption that each chain might equally all have 8 children which is kinda insane.

[outer python]

Cause the people that are like "that's a bad idea" are mainly PC as they don't care about quest users

[near grove]

yes

[oak anvil]

Anyone know when beta will be open and out for quests? I heard it's out for steam, quest PC and meta or something like that

[vague wolf]

Meta is quest

And it’s not released yet,it’s coming out sometime this week

[humble pulsar]

I admit I was in that camp 2 years ago but the game should be good for both PC and Quest so it’s important both parties are happy ^^

[sullen elk]

I’d like the assumption to be about 4 children per component instead of 8 myself.

[outer python]

Ya the beta got updates on quest my noodle dragon puppet is now an uncooked noodle

[near grove]

thats why toggle is good idea

it benifits both parties

[humble pulsar]

Increasing the hard limit by 50% is probably the easiest and the most likely solution (if any) they would choose.

I doubt they would add a toggle for quest

[sullen elk]

[warm cedar]

We'll just have to wait and see what the team says

[wraith island]

Most people wouldn't know about this toggle anyways same as they don't know safety and performance exists

[outer python]

No a toggle kinda makes the most sense like increase the hard limit by like 25% and add the toggle aswell

[small surge]

Still waiting for next ui update , not sure they would put that in until that is out (like putting config.json in there would be handy) , right now its clutter all over to find anything

[tacit moth]

Most users who stick around will know about it, which is who we're trying to benefit. No one wants the normal average new user to be bombarded with performance issues.

[humble pulsar]

We’ll have to see wether or not they listen to the complains before it launches later today/tomorrow

[sullen elk]

People will adapt. They were fine before phys bones and they’ll be fine after release.

[humble pulsar]

This is what I think they will do, they probably will not make any changes and leave it as is. Sucks for quest users but hey at least they have physics bones at all

[outer python]

Yes we were fine before it because we didn't use avatars that needed it to look good

[vestal vigil]

what if physbones could interact with the world?
so physbones had world collision?

[raven laurel]

it's already possible

[humble pulsar]

Plus only people who played beta know about there being a time with no limits. For people who only play on live they will not know any different

[sullen elk]

Then don’t use avatars that need it to look good. Problem is solved

[outer python]

But now like my display pic I ordered him al dente but I got him Raw

[muted brook]

you can put a collider plane on your armature so that things interact with the ground

[vestal vigil]

ah true

[muted brook]

i got that for my avis tail

[outer python]

Neat idea

[vestal vigil]

but when I say world-collision I mean anything and everything the physbones will collide with

[sullen elk]

Quest avatars all had short hair for a reason.

[muted brook]

that would be nice

[tacit moth]

HAH i disabled the long hair on my avi for quest users

looks way worse but atleast they see hair at all

[sullen elk]

Exactly.

[wraith island]

I'm lucky and both Quest and PC will behave exactly same with physbones

[warm cedar]

I'd be surprised since they're already removing the ability to upload max limit physbones

[outer python]

Still need a toggle for the limit

[warm silo]

I guess Physbones and IK isn't coming at the same time

[humble pulsar]

No, IK will release at a later date

[worldly temple]

We already knew that, they said in an announcement if I remember

[small surge]

vrchat would implode by all the people asking what changed

[outer python]

True

[oak anvil]

Sorry what does IK stand for?

[humble pulsar]

I wonder what’s next after these updates anyway? I’m assuming the UI update

[warm silo]

I did not know that, I just kinda thought so because both betas are out at the same time

[buoyant crescent]

What’s IK?

[sullen elk]

Inverse kinematics

[warm cedar]

Tupper did say that people reacted the same way about shaders and poly limits

guess we'll have to wait out this storm as well

[sullen elk]

It’s how your legs and arms move and how they interact with your body

[buoyant crescent]

What’s that?

[outer python]

Any quest users should give this a look

[buoyant crescent]

I see

[warm silo]

Crazy that Quest will have hard limits now but it makes sence

[worldly temple]

You know how VRChat makes your arms move naturally even though it's tracking your hands and nothing else?

[outer python]

Ya I don't think my tongue moves that way

[sullen elk]

What

[outer python]

Unable to say the words joke

[near grove]

yes

i sent to all my firends

[outer python]

Posted in a few groups myself

[sullen elk]

Godspeed to you all.

[outer python]

Or at very least let us see our own

[muted bloom]

IK is live compatible so you will have both as soon as phys bones is released to live

[outer python]

Oh heck it has more upvotes than the disallow the upload one now

[sullen elk]

Go for it. Put them voices as votes.
I’ll be watching the flagged posts

[outer python]

Watch Phys bones will be released then ik will Bolinger be live cause something broke

[warm cedar]

Disallow the upload is "In progress"

[sullen elk]

That’s the reason why it’s a separate network compatible beta in case something like that does happen. Lol

[outer python]

Hopefully that will change

[outer python]

Ya kinda what I'm thinking will happen like honestly I don't see a reason why it should break but I would not be surprised if there was some conflict

[warm cedar]

You do you kid

[near grove]

i love vrc so im shareing and telling as many ppl as i can i bc i belive as many others do this will make a big improvment

it will become the player choice how much bone they see

[sullen elk]

Better to break things in betas and make major changes in beta while everything is in the air and not be entitled to the beta versions of products

[outer python]

Exactly

[near grove]

like if u have firends i say send them the link and tell them abt it

[timber jewel]

Can this channel talk about something else then the Quest hard limit please? This is basically the only thing this channel is used for since yesterday...

[wheat fjord]

If it doesnt some creators wont upload to quest at all when they otherwise could. That will reduce content for quest users even more with creators that are lazy.

[near grove]

exactly

[outer python]

Like I'm kinda pissed that in the blink of an eye my al dente noodle became an uncooked noodle

[formal breach]

half the issue is that people already complain about VRChat's "poor optimization" as is, enabling them to make the game worse (especially as the limits are in place so you can fit ~80 people into an instance without it literally killing the game) will just make them complain more, even if you think it's just a "player choice" thing

[outer python]

It's beta discussion man

[timber jewel]

It's called a beta for a reason

[formal breach]

^ you signed up to this knowing it was all subject to change

[timber jewel]

Yeah ik, but there is more to it then just that one topic

[near grove]

tbh in reality no one shows alll 80 avis bc u have to manualy show avis or its fallback

[sullen elk]

So smaller pool because creators are too lazy to do better

Which means the ones who do will give more quality avatars and things intended in the first place to work and look good on Quest.

[outer python]

Right

[timber jewel]

if it would have been there from beginning no one would have complained

[near grove]

so thats why i think that they should of tested 40 or 30 ppl instead bc who the heck is in a lobby with 80 ppl