world-optimization

[hollow elk]

Whilst having a lot of things in view

[hasty merlin]

Figured the lighting would have something to do with it

[hollow elk]

Main thing you would want to work on is drawcalls

[hasty merlin]

How many draw calls are considered acceptable usually?

[hollow elk]

Below 500 for "very good" performance

[hasty merlin]

Yikes haha

[hollow elk]

But you could get away with having about 3500 I would think and still be able to hit 90fps

Are you using static batching?

[hasty merlin]

Does that just mean that every mesh has the static box checked?

[hollow elk]

Yes

[hasty merlin]

Yup, all the world geometry is static

[hollow elk]

What shader are you using?

[hasty merlin]

Poiyomi Pro for the buildings and roads. Standard for certain things.

[hollow elk]

You shouldn't use poiyomi for worlds

Unless it specifically says that the shader is for use in worlds

Suppose you could still use it though depending

Most of the drawcalls are being caused by the realtime directional light with shadows

Disabling the shadows would presumably drop the drawcalls by half

[hasty merlin]

I needed poi because of the rgb mask options and some of the emissive options

Disabling shadows should probably be the first thing I try lol. Easier than swapping the shader for that many materials

Didn't know that the shadows actually affected the draw calls

I really appreciate you checking it out btw. Thanks a ton for the advice. I'll mess around with it tonight after work.

The project file being bloated from files that aren't being used wouldn't affect anything, right?

[hollow elk]

It shouldn't but its not impossible for things to be left in the build due to references that aren't directly visible in the inspector

If you don't have 1s VRWorldToolKit you should consider using it as it makes overall optimization a little more streamlined

[hasty merlin]

I used it in the past on other worlds, keep forgetting to add it to this one lol. I'll do that tonight too.

Would physics have a huge impact? There's the cars, and then there's also gates on hinge joints you can drive through.

[hollow elk]

Depends on the amount

If its a couple though it wouldn't be much impact

[hasty merlin]

I think there's about 10ish gates scattered around? Each has two box colliders connected to a skeletal mesh

[hollow elk]

Yeah that wouldn't have much impact especially compared to the drawcalls

[hasty merlin]

Alrighty good to know 👍

Don't know if you saw them or not btw, but there's some cars in the garage connected to the subway station if you wanted to get around quicker.

[hollow elk]

Was able to get around fast enough using my avatar

[heady silo]

I'm trying to create a custom mirror that isn't the VRC Mirror prefab, and I placed all the components from the VRC Mirror onto a flat triangle I made in Blender, I made it to fit a triangle wall in a room i'm making but the mirror bugs out. Anyone know how to fix it?

[pallid gale]

maybe you could find a different Shader that has those what are you trying to do in particular with it

[hasty merlin]

Sorry, I didn't get a ping from that message. Seems Poi is working just fine. Just realized last night that I forgot to lock in the materials so they aren't all calling for a grab pass 🙃

With the new versions of Poiyomi's shaders you're supposed to lock it in before uploading, but I forgot to do that on 79 materials.

Shadows are now disabled and all 79 of those shaders are locked in and here's the result.

The last one was always the most problematic area, that usually dipped down to 12 fps, now tends to sit around 53-58

The other two usually were at about 17 fps

Still not great but it's a massive improvement nonetheless.

Other areas get around 75-90 fps now

Don't know how to bring up that tool @hollow elk was using to check the amount of draw calls tho 🤔

[hollow elk]

You can use the unity editor to profile yourself in the game view or with profiling tools

The tool was intel GPA

[hasty merlin]

Alrighty I'll look it up tonight after work. Thanks again for the advice, it's actually somewhat playable now lol

[pallid gale]

ideally you'd want to get it to where it's 90th fps on your desktop have you done any occlusion culling

[hasty merlin]

Yup occlusion culling is enabled. There was just one building I had to disable as an occluder because getting near it would cull the whole map

Not quite sure why

[nocturne drift]

Hey, made my first world now, something really simple with only a couple of objects, a mirror, a couch and a movie player, why does it take up 30 mB? Am i doing something wrong? What are your tips for optimization?

[versed lichen]

What are your couple objects and skybox ?

[cinder tusk]

Do you have the VRWorld Toolkit installed? That will give you a build report

[nocturne drift]

idk, how do i check that?

[cinder tusk]

https://github.com/oneVR/VRWorldToolkit/releases/tag/V1.11.2 Download this package and install it like you did the SDK

[cinder tusk]

None of this is useful, we can't guess how big stuff it just by looking at it

Some highly fancy stuff can be super optimised and some basic looking stuff can be terribly unoptimised

Use the toolkit and it will give you a report that will tell you the largest files

[nocturne drift]

installed

[nocturne drift]

Which option?

[cinder tusk]

World Debugger

Then Build Report

[nocturne drift]

Ohhhh

it´s the skybox

[cinder tusk]

Its your skybox

Okay, easy way to squash that

Find the texture file

[nocturne drift]

Thank you so much for introducing me to this wonderful tool

[cinder tusk]

Select it and bring it up in the inspector

[nocturne drift]

"Use crunch compression"?

[cinder tusk]

At the bottom of the UI you'll see various options. Enable Crunch Compression, set quality to about 80->100. Apply.

See what the file size is in the preview data below the panel

[versed lichen]

It's still a 30mb skybox

[cinder tusk]

May take a bit to process

[nocturne drift]

I used a skybox from the unity asset store

[cinder tusk]

@versed lichen For personal worlds where I don't care about size, I've got 100+ for very elaborate ones.

[versed lichen]

Yeah, that's the mistake most beginners make

[cinder tusk]

But then I also rendered that myself :P

So I wanted to enjoy seeing it when I logged on

I'm looking now at ways of reducing the impact though, mixing some rendered and some procedural together.

[nocturne drift]

But i know what´s wrong now! I can find a light texture and my world will be way more optimized

Thank you so much

[cinder tusk]

Depending on the eventual look you're after, there may be future ways to switch to a procedural (on the fly generated) skybox which takes up almost no space. Maybe once you're used to tools and have tried out building a decorative background area for example.

[nocturne drift]

That´s the plan, first the basics, then worry about serious optimization

Literally started today when i got off work

[cinder tusk]

That way the skybox background can be minimal detail, then you create a mid-ground that's low poly but a little more detailed, buildings, or forest or whatever you're after. But out-of-bounds to players. Then closer higher detail stuff within the edge of the play area.

Its a long journey! But fun. :)

[nocturne drift]

True, how about scripts? if i code the things myself without using nodes can i make it more optimized using techniques the generated code wouldn´t use?

[cinder tusk]

Its more a matter of style. If you get UdonSharp for example installed, if you're familiar with code in general, (Like Java, C#, Javascript, PHP), it will be easier I think to work with UdonSharp.

But anything you can do in one you can do in the other.

My day job is a software developer so I found regular Udon to be a little.. hard to follow.

[nocturne drift]

Why would that be the case?

[cinder tusk]

Code flows in Udon generally left to right, rather than top to bottom. I found it slower to quickly add debug lines or find stuff I was looking for. I find it much quicker to type with IntelliSense auto-complete in Visual Studio than using a mouse to code.

But I know for novice users, it can be easier to visualise the flow of code through a node system. I prefer nodes myself working with shaders.

(and ironically, because we've been stuck on old Unity, coding shaders means you can't use nodes)

[nocturne drift]

I´m actually used to code a lot in C, java and C# so i totally understand how an organized code can be better than all the connected nodes in long term projects

[nocturne drift]

That´s the thing that shocked me today, i had to install an archaic version of unity to use udon

[cinder tusk]

I've got for example, a complex script in one project that's almost 800 lines (which really needs splitting up but still). That would be a whole bowl of spaghetti in Udon

They promised we're moving to 2019 LTS this summer so... fingers crossed for August Update. ;)

[nocturne drift]

They did?!?!?! Thank god

[nocturne drift]

Seeing that the majority of people don´t know the basics of OOP languages i totally support the idea of nodes even if they can become hard to read

The devs choose the best path

[cinder tusk]

Hoping there is a beta soon so that people like the prefabs and third party tool people can do plenty of testing and get their stuff ready for launch.

I don't want in on a beta. But I want to know all the tools I use are working on day one 👀

[nocturne drift]

We can´t push them too hard, they are only 9 people, and i know making tools and making the assemblies for them can be quite boring and hard

[cinder tusk]

I read there is going to be a beta soon so hopefully all toolkits will be ready too. X3

[nocturne drift]

But yeah, if they want to release it flawless they need the help of the community to test every single feature

[merry elbow]

Does a render texture introduce much overhead to a world?

[hollow elk]

Depending on the resolution it can have little or a lot

[merry elbow]

Say, 1000x1000 resolution?

[hollow elk]

Would be fine for any modern GPU

I would say imagine it like the resolution of a persons monitor as it's pretty similar in its performance cost

[merry elbow]

That's about how I figured it. I'm just looking to use one to push text through a CRT shader for an old-fashioned monitor effect on a screen (rather than just a flat "screen" surface with a canvas in front of it)

[hollow elk]

Keeping the resolution as low as you can get away with would be the ideal way to use the render texture

And having a toggle to turn off any cameras rendering into it for users who might be on low end hardware is always a good option to have

[merry elbow]

Of course.

[cinder tusk]

One is certainly fine, I've had up to three running before with 8 people using average avatars, plus one running a YouTube video. If you can create something to spawn a camera and playback surface, you could test and review how many your system can handle.

[karmic wraith]

Is anyone else getting the 11 frame bug on their world? Because it seems to only be effecting the instance owner of the world.

because I got 11 frames on desktop mode on a modern computer with an rtx 3070 and a i7 10th gen intel cpu with more than enough vram and ram

Yup tested it out and it is the instance owner that gets the 11 frame bug, is there any way to get around this or is it just an api update we have to wait for?

[crimson turtle]

have you tried udonsharp?

because that is probably exactly what you're looking for

afaik like half of the people out there using udon at all use it heh thats how good it is

[cinder tusk]

Yes, i use that

[crimson turtle]

oh wait

i think i read over that

yeah neat

[robust olive]

I had this issue the other day, no clue why

The difference is that someone else also had the issue in my case

Are you using any advanced prefabs?

any Udon stuff?

[nocturne drift]

Hey! Where do you guys find light skybox textures?

[unique kite]

• asset store
• https://polyhaven.com/
• Custom made with normal assets and a reflection probe

[karmic wraith]

Define advanced prefabs and I a using udon yes

[robust olive]

It turns out, it's not the 11fps bug

check all your scripts, see if anything is being synced that shouldn't be

[karmic wraith]

It is 11-15 frames on desktop and vr and only if you are the instance owner

[karmic wraith]

Do you think it's the new manual or continuous sync they add to udon scripts?

because I set things that should be continously synced to manual

[robust olive]

In my case, it was a variable that didn't need to be synced at all

[karmic wraith]

Well my world has a lot of variables, what sync method are you refering to?

Are we talking about in script variables or the sync method on the component?

[robust olive]

in the script

[karmic wraith]

hmm let me see

These yes?

[robust olive]

those

[karmic wraith]

Ya I never understood what those do since they didn't provide doucmentation about them. I will look through all my scripts to see what might be causing the host issue

Ah I might have found the bottleneck but I can't be sure till I test it. While we are on the subject what does linear and smooth do for synced?

[karmic wraith]

Ok turns out that worked! Thank you so much for the help!

[robust olive]

what was the variable for? mine was for a teleport

[karmic wraith]

It was for a depreciated system that we never released that was experimenting with networking systems before they put out more documentation on the matter.

So we disabled that old system and removed all the old synced variables that would only launch if someone used a mod to force it to launch

So in other words you needed a mod to even see the animation it caused. So we just scrapped it and disabled it.

[cursive sun]

building a world for quest and i keep getting this warning:

world uses unsupported shader "Legacy Shaders: Diffuse"
but it doesn't from as far as i can see

i literally went through every damn material in my asset folder and found nothing that used it

i'm worried about uploading my world now
i have no idea where it could be

help plz

[versed lichen]

don't use legacy

[unique kite]

Look into Shader > VRChat > Mobile; should have what you need there for Quest. Legacy is shaders that are used on all the old unity asset store stuff. 9/10 it doesnt even work in pc mode. You wont get an error on pc builds, you will just get pink objects in game.

[cursive sun]

I know that but like

I don't

know whats using it

im asking of there's a way to navigate to it

[unique kite]

If you use the toolkit it will direct you to bad or incompatible shaders upon build in its debugger. I am not at my pc but the link can easily be found by googling vrchat toolkit

[lilac saddle]

Hey, I have a question. Does the world load in everything that has been downloaded into the unity project or just the stuff that you put into the world? I tested my world and it has over 200 mb (well, maybe it's big, but i plan on putting in much more).

Should just have everything present in the scene

If you have a lot of disabled stuff still in the scene then yes those do get included

I see, thank you very much!

if its only in the assets tho and not in the scene its not included

so basically just clean up your scene

My scene is still quite empty though.

are the textures crunched?

that helps a lot

crunched?

my avatars 8192x8192 texture atlas fits in about 900kb

[lilac saddle]

compression

I kinda don't want to lower quality.

if you set it up right it doesnt

i am sorry, but if you dont know what crunching is, you probably have the textures set up unideally anyways

so maybe you even gain quality

I...just download stuff, put in the material and maybe edit it to look better

yeah those textures are really badly set up then

they look horrible compared to what you can do if you know how to set up textures in Unity

Let me grab a screenshot

I'll send two. My progress is limited. I only worked like 20 hours.

what I am curious about is the settings of the texture itself

thats not the texture setup

thats the material...

Uh...

Sorry, I'm a noob and kinda taught it myself...

click on the texture in the asset folder

and then the inspector

Here's the floor for example

yeah default settings

and look its compressed to hell and back already

what resolution is the texture natively?

Um...I'll open photoshop

One sec...

Is this right?

okay then set max size to 4096, leave compression at Normal, enable crunch, crunch to 95 to 100% and raise aniso level to 8

should look tons better and be a heck lot smaller

[hollow elk]

@lilac saddle https://github.com/oneVR/VRWorldToolkit/releases/tag/V1.11.2 Use this it has many tips that will help with world creation including optimization

It has a build report that will tell you and direct you to the largest contributing assets to the world filesize

[lilac saddle]

Interesting, thanks!

[lilac saddle]

Thanks, however, it looks the same.

well whats the file size say in the preview window tho?

like the one below the inspector

Nevermind, I'm dumb. I used a similar texture.

2.7 mb

Thanks! I learned something new today.

try around with the crunch factor, sometimes 99% is a super great improvement in filesize and you dont see a difference

and always set Max Size to the size of the texture

else you really just throw away the detail

Alright.

...darn

...it was not there before, however, i did not download any scripts...?

[hollow elk]

What does the unity console say

[lilac saddle]

Should I turn on the yellow ones?

[hollow elk]

Honestly just restart unity and see if you get any errors or if it fixes it

[lilac saddle]

This kinda crap also happens to me in every other programming software at school.

I'm cursed >->

nope...

[hollow elk]

Try re-import the SDK

[lilac saddle]

On it

Strange.....

Nothing

[hollow elk]

I would recommend removing scripts not related to the SDK

[lilac saddle]

Wow

I...

did it

I just imported the toolkit and it started working.

[hollow elk]

Yeah not really surprising honestly

[lilac saddle]

I have no idea how it works, but it must be a wonder script thingy

Thank you for your time!

[hollow elk]

The creator of it built it to auto fix issues

Amazing time saving tool

[lilac saddle]

He must be a chad just like the creator of the cats blender plugin.

[true reef]

hii
can anyone tell me how i do that ,
if someone turn a mirror in the world then turned another mirror...the first one will turned off

sdk 3

btw

[unique kite]

yo, where did you get your mirrors? The starter kit has built in toggles to kill all but the active mirror. Ied recommend that if you don't know where to start with scripting or nodes

https://gitlab.com/xlwnya/vrc_starterkit/-/releases

[novel thicket]

tips to optimize a pc only world for low end hardware?
i tested my world with a friend and he says he runs the world at extremely low frames, i want to see if i could change stuff to gain more frames
already tried to bake lighting, but can’t get it done right
any suggestions?

[true reef]

i got my mirror from sdk3 world from vrchat website

[unique kite]

Avoid constant Updates if you are using udon. Reduce draw calls by simplifying your shaders; maybe use mobile shaders, reduce texture resolution, use occlusion culling, baked lighting, if possible combine grouped objects into a single mesh and have them use an atlas instead of separate textures.

[unique kite]

So basic, try the link I provided. Its mirror is setup the way you want. If you want to code it yourself you are going to use an array and for loop to close the other mirrors
for(var i = 0; i < mirrors.Length; i++){mirrors[i].SetActive(false);}
don't copy and paste that its probably got syntax error.

[true reef]

THANK YOU

[velvet linden]

Yoink, thanks.

Also do you know if those pens work for quest?

[unique kite]

not sure, its just a particle emitter so for the quest upload change the shader to VRC > Mobile > Particle > Additive and your set.

[velvet linden]

Ok, thanks.

[deft yoke]

Does unity/VRC have built in LoD support for individual objects? I was about to write a script for that...

[pallid gale]

https://docs.unity3d.com/2018.4/Documentation/Manual/LevelOfDetail.html

[hidden hollow]

Are there any benefits to having a single mesh with multiple materials vs a single mesh for each distinct material? Total unique meshes are < 20

[versed lichen]

More batches with separate meshes with their own material

[jolly heath]

though if you merge every mesh occlusion wont do anything lol, so probably a sweet spot somewhere in the middle

[signal sinew]

All depends on what your world is

[zealous sand]

Does anyone know how to hook up to occulus app?

[nimble mortar]

Would anyone be able to help me with further optimizing my world? I have tried many things, used world debugger and more and still feel like it isn't perfect for having large groups

[hidden hollow]

In theory what would be more peformant? 2x material atlases @ 4k or 1x @ 8k ?

[pallid gale]

2x material atlases @ 4k as you using considerably more vram on 1x @ 8k

[hidden hollow]

Had the same assumption, thanks!

[pallid gale]

and also if you're talkin about like 2 texture for the whole map or so you're doing pretty good

[hidden hollow]

LOL sadly a few more than 2 for the whole map

[pallid gale]

https://i.gyazo.com/89bbcd261c3119cb0dbea660555dc38d.png

https://i.gyazo.com/0b533aac98406558f6785cd2ffa9103c.png

if it helps the vram difference between the two of them

and that would go even higher if pbr because you would require 2 to 4 textures

[bleak tendon]

dunno if this is the right place but i have made a world in blender and with some assets from booth the world is pretty small but its still 48mb and i dont know why its so big i already downscaled lots of materials and the world also dosent have many verticies
This picture basically shows the entire world btw

[hollow elk]

@bleak tendon https://github.com/oneVR/VRWorldToolkit/releases/tag/V1.11.2

Add this to your project and it has a nice UI for showing you what assets have the largest file sizes

[bleak tendon]

Oh thats nice thanks i will give that a look then ^^

Where can i find that ui ?

[hollow elk]

It should have added a tab at the top of the unity window called VRWorldToolkit under that you want to open the world debugger > build report

[bleak tendon]

so i now know that the main world is taking up a lot but i still dont know why

[hollow elk]

On that meshes import settings make sure you have blend shape normals set to import and not calculate

[bleak tendon]

I think i might have found it there are a shit ton of animations on the fbx but idk why or is this normal ?

[hollow elk]

You can go to the models animation tab and disable import animations

[bleak tendon]

Will that also remove the animations from the active object ?

[hollow elk]

Only if you are directly using one of those animations stored in the model itself

[bleak tendon]

No i havent used any of those so i need to pull the fbx in again ?

[hollow elk]

Shouldn't need to

Just disable import animations I think

[bleak tendon]

Thank you a lot already btw i dont know why there were so many on there but without you i wouldnt have found them

thanks ^^

[hollow elk]

Not sure how a model could even get that many animation clones

[bleak tendon]

Yeah i also dont know i have created the model in blender and thats all i did

Maybe accidentaly started to animate in blender or something idk

[vital hinge]

I downloaded a ready-made keyboard for worlds in vrchat, but the texture is for some reason white, how to fix it?

[thick musk]

Does anyone know how to toggle objects in a 3.0 world?

[light totem]

hi

is this 2x side or 1x side shader exist and available to download in github?

any help pls

...
because i need this for my world optimization
you can see example for stare rail how much polygons (in cylinder shape) can cost

actually (when i calculate edges of cylinder shape object) in total it can cost 45 polys

so with that shader the amount of polys can drastically be reduced
in a way that it can only cost 2 polygons (if 2x quad object are created and this shader be apply'd on both sides)

[unique kite]

There are plenty of double sided shaders. But shaders don't reduce poly; they just determine which vertices and the faces are to be rendered. Toonlit shaders are common and have double sided options here is one that I have used in the past https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/vfx/shaders/free-double-sided-shaders-23087

here is one git https://gist.github.com/naojitaniguchi/62ccf37c801ea55517b7

[light totem]

ty

[ivory spear]

Do VRchat mirrors reflect inactive objects in the world?

[narrow seal]

Is there any reason those wires can’t be long cubes instead? Introducing a new shader, and therefore a new material, is a lot more expensive than a double-digit addition of polygons.

[light totem]

@narrow seal
no cause if you use cubes instead cylinder it will cost more poly's because of more faces

well it's only my idea i didn't know that shader or material exist or not

and those shader or material that i represent is much cheaper then creating more poly's
bcz more poly's means poorer world performance

[narrow seal]

VRChat is heavily CPU-boottlenecked, so additional drawcalls will start impacting performance long before more polygons would. Batching as many as 1000 more polygons (1000 is a lowball estimate, the real upper limit there is probably much higher) into an existing drawcall (because you used the same material for the wires as you did for the rail and posts) is almost always significantly cheaper than adding a new shader or material to get a specific detailed effect.

[unique kite]

^ Search Atlas Texture for how to achieve this efficiently.

can also look into Mesh Baker which is a Unity asset for combining meshes and automatically creating atlas'.

[pallid gale]

like heck it can be worth it to add more triangles to make it easier to tile texture inside a texture Atlas because drawcall are more expensive than a couple of extra Edge loops

[light totem]

@narrow seal
yeah that's probably true
and using same materials for other objects i better then using different one's

[narrow seal]

You’re talking about the Eventide atlasing technique, right?

[pallid gale]

yeah that would be an example of it

[cinder tusk]

If the the mirror is told to reflect the layer they are on

[visual swift]

I've run into an odd issue where in my world the instance owner will have terrible performance when others join in but only when there's someone else there. If the instance owner leaves, whoever takes over gets the terrible performance next. So far I've disabled all video players, audio, join audio trigger trying to figure out whats causing it but no luck

Any suggestions?

[hollow elk]

Udon or SDK2?

[visual swift]

udon

[hollow elk]

You likely have variables set to sync that are un-syncable

[visual swift]

Ah okay. Is there a way to know if thats the case?

[hollow elk]

If you opened the output log debug menu when in game as the master you would be able to see if it was

[visual swift]

Ok can I do that from the Build and Test version or does it need to be within vrchat proper?

[hollow elk]

Build and test should work with two clients

[visual swift]

yeah thats how I've been testing it and it does cause the issue to happen

How do I enable the output log you're referring to?

[hollow elk]

Press right shift ~ 3

[visual swift]

ok

giving it a go now

looks like some of my toggle buttons are failing

Thanks for the help! I know what to look at now

[hollow elk]

Whats the exact error?

Serialization failed?

[visual swift]

yeah

it had another msg with it

but it was always the same button just scrolling by over and over

another one appears periodically

[hollow elk]

Yeah you just need to disable sync for those udon behaviors

[visual swift]

ah understood

I also noticed I'm using an older version of the local object toggle, a graph I made myself early on. I might just swap it out for the local toggle from Jetdog's prefabs

[kindred sleet]

So I know transparency isn't supposed to be supported on Quest, but I know people have found ways. I'm just trying to figure out how to do dark, single-color windows. Any suggestions?

[pallid gale]

you can use transparencies on Quest world they're just expensive compared to PC

[kindred sleet]

Ah, okay. I'm gonna try changing the shader to a sprite and see what happens

[pallid gale]

and question are they Windows where you see the interior contents

[kindred sleet]

Yeah

[pallid gale]

that's probably not going to work as intended

[kindred sleet]

Yeah probably not.

But my Build and Test option is greyed out, I assume that's because I need to fix some shaders, yeah?

[pallid gale]

that's because you cannot locally test Quest Maps

[kindred sleet]

Oh, cool

[pallid gale]

and you probably want to convert your shaders to the standard light

[kindred sleet]

Done, just not with the windows

Thanks

Does a skybox have to be converted to VRC skybox?

[pallid gale]

I don't think so cuz you're not getting an error message about that

[kindred sleet]

Sweet, thanks

Just a pain, and I feel like it'll work fine

[median sundial]

okay okay okay. light maps have just come out of the oven, the textures are nice and crunchy. what else should i do to make this world less big?

[gentle gust]

https://github.com/oneVR/VRWorldToolkit/releases/tag/V1.11.2
put this in your project if you havent already. it will tell you what takes how much space in your world

@median sundial

[median sundial]

i have i used it to crunch but what can i do with it more?

[gentle gust]

i mean, it literally shows you which texture uses what amount of space

you can also lower lightmap resolution at the cost of quality

atlas'ing everything could help too

[median sundial]

atlas'ing?

sorry i started with unity this weekend

@gentle gust

[gentle gust]

putting every texture in a single one. helps with performance and filesize

just hella annoying to do, especially with multiple maps

[median sundial]

and how do you do it?

[gentle gust]

with CATS Blender plugin and its material combiner inside blender

[median sundial]

on a scale from 1 to 10 how necessary is it and on a scale from 1 to 10 how much of a pain in the ass is it?

[pallid gale]

well I suppose you could always start with texturing the non tiling textures so that it's a bit less of a headache to start

[versed lichen]

How much lightmaps do you have ?

[median sundial]

7 apparantly. why?

my map is 200mb rn kinda big

and again quick reminder im very new at this so sorry in advance

[versed lichen]

7 4K lightmaps ?

What else is in your world ?

[median sundial]

i dont know if they are 4k but if they usualy are then yes

[median sundial]

want me to show you a picture?

[versed lichen]

You can see at the bottom of the lighting window

[median sundial]

like i just added post processing and that still need fine tuning

[versed lichen]

Yeah a screenshot would help understand what the size should be

[median sundial]

it says 8 directional lightmaps 10.48 mb

[pallid gale]

okay so that's not the file size consumer

[median sundial]

okay keep in mind post processing is not done

AND its my first ever map

[versed lichen]

Did you publish it privately yet ? Would be good to see the build size result from the toolkit

[median sundial]

you mean build it and test it?

[versed lichen]

Sure, whichever works for you

[median sundial]

yes multiple times

[versed lichen]

Did you look at the toolkit build report ?

[median sundial]

what is the toolkit build report?

[versed lichen]

You imported the vrworld toolkit earlier, might wanna open it

[median sundial]

yes i used it to crunch everything and for post processing. what specificly am i opening

(rlly sorry)

[versed lichen]

vrworld toolkit window, top of your screen

[median sundial]

yes and then i get post processing and about etc

[versed lichen]

yeah, then the build report window

it's the main tool page

[median sundial]

i only see post processing, on build functions, custom editors, quick functions , world debuger, usefull links, and about

[versed lichen]

world debugger

[median sundial]

thanks!

build size: 197.7

need a pic?

[versed lichen]

yep

[versed lichen]

build report window is what we need

You'll want to fix what the toolkit tells you is an issue later

[median sundial]

will do!

[versed lichen]

looks like you have 8K normal maps

So your textures are the issue still

You want to downscale everything down to 2K, you can keep the albedo (main texture) to 4K if you need it

[median sundial]

and how can i do that? do i just go to every file and do it?

[versed lichen]

You should be able to click in the list directly, but the toolkit has a tool to do this too

[median sundial]

you mean the import function that can crush? that doesnt do normal maps right?

[pallid gale]

https://i.gyazo.com/cfc2a5af2dd634b73e165090eef91f4c.png

[versed lichen]

crunching is a different process

Yeah the mass texture importer does help

[pallid gale]

in this case were trying to make the texture physically smaller because it's too big for what you actually need

[median sundial]

alright so for all the big files i need to set them to that setting

[versed lichen]

You need to set everything to 2K, without ignoring normal maps

crunch compression to 50

[median sundial]

and this can be done trough the same menu?

and do i press scene or assets?

[versed lichen]

scene

[median sundial]

alright now its doing stuff

quick question in the mean while. i have a local movable mirror thats always on. and since always on mirrors is bad. what to do?

[pallid gale]

doing this should make the file size a lot smaller with like no noticeable quality loss because some of those textures is too big for how close you're going to be anyway

[pallid gale]

make it to where you have to turn on the mirror

[median sundial]

thanks so much!

[versed lichen]

The toolkit also said you had another camera in your world, which also causes perf issues

[median sundial]

like a little button next to it?

[pallid gale]

yes

[median sundial]

i have 2 cameras one for interactive water and 1 for post processing

[versed lichen]

hopefully it's a small amount of water

[median sundial]

no its ALLL the water

[versed lichen]

yikes

[median sundial]

but like it runs well. on my pc at least

[versed lichen]

it's really not meant to be used for water

it's for small ponds and pools

everything runs well on people's pc, until it doesn't

[median sundial]

i know that but i couldnt find any good looking water ANYWHERE

[pallid gale]

question could you just have not interactable water

[median sundial]

painfully true

[pallid gale]

because honestly most folks aren't going to be jumping in your Lakes

[median sundial]

i could probably figure out how to disable the interactive part. but if you guys know some actually good looking water you find in vrchat world please do tell

[median sundial]

yea you are probably right

[pallid gale]

how's your processing going

[median sundial]

bout 2/3

ahem 1/3

sorry

wrong button

and btw thanks so much guys you 2 are great!

[pallid gale]

glad to be of help

everyone's going to have a nicer time on your map not downloading a oversize guitar texture

you could fit like eight avatars in that download size of a guitar

[median sundial]

yea i rlly want people to have a reasonable good time on my first map

[median sundial]

its just one HELL of a guitar

solid 40 percent now

[pallid gale]

like honestly that guitar is more than the entirety of Animal Crossing city Folk

[median sundial]

its more then some games

bout 65%

[pallid gale]

while it's loading probably pretty obvious but generally smaller objects should have smaller textures than bigger objects

[median sundial]

that sound logical

[pallid gale]

yeah it was just mentioning it because your guitar and ATM was severely breaking that

[median sundial]

yes i know... i just wasn't aware of their sizes

[pallid gale]

that's why that button that tells you the size is very handy

[median sundial]

yep! so thanks a lot for telling me how the hell that works

[pallid gale]

how's the progress bar doing

[median sundial]

DONE

now to build again

[pallid gale]

cool let's see what the file size is now

[median sundial]

yep

117.3 mayor improvement but how can we improve this further

[pallid gale]

I have to go head out to take care of some stuff IRL but basically see if there's any objects that are like small but have big textures at your new maximum

to make smaller like the guitar

[median sundial]

alright and adjust those manually?

and good luck on you trip!

[pallid gale]

yes

but when I get back I'll definitely check on the improvements

[median sundial]

great thanks!

[pallid gale]

apparently I have some 30 minutes before I need to head out so I have a little bit more time

[median sundial]

well aint that amazing!

could you tell me some good way to replace my ugly water?

[pallid gale]

go poke around the vrchat prefab database for its water shaders

[median sundial]

alrighty thanks!

[pallid gale]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTP-eIkYLZh7pDhpO-untxy1zbuoiqdzVP2z5-vg_9ijBW7k8ZC9VP6cVL-ct5yKrySPBPJ6V2ymlWS/pubhtml

[median sundial]

so for compression i just change the max size setting then hit apply?

[pallid gale]

yes

[median sundial]

512 good for small assets?

[pallid gale]

would depend on how small and you're like Texel density but probably a decent place to start if you're using 2,048 as tiling texture size

[median sundial]

nope its like avatar size or smaller

[pallid gale]

a other way to check would be to get the object as big on screen as you're going to see it that's not like sticking your nose in it and cranking the settings down until you don't see any noticeable difference

[median sundial]

128 it is

[pallid gale]

that might be a little too small for a guitar but probably fine for a coffee mug?

[median sundial]

256 then?

[pallid gale]

I can't know for sure without looking at your assets and your desired Texel density

[median sundial]

a pic?

[pallid gale]

perhaps just start with all of your avatar sized and smaller stuff being 1,024

as you don't want to make it look too blurry

[median sundial]

alright will do

[pallid gale]

sorry I can't give a more precise number

[median sundial]

no no thanks a lot for your help!

building again

after post processing everything became kinda laggy at around 40 fps so i rlly need to adjust that too

[versed lichen]

Basic post processing doesn't cause performance issues

[median sundial]

welp mine does. so that has to be fixed

[versed lichen]

If it's the one you got from toolkit, it's not the cause of your problems

If you still have the camera and the mirror, that would do it

[median sundial]

it is and after the post processing it became 40 fps

before that it was 150

[versed lichen]

Max you have in desktop is 90

You can use the game window and enable the stats in Unity

[median sundial]

wierd maybe something wrong with my fps counter

but now its back to normal

[pallid gale]

so what's your new-build size

[median sundial]

117.3 so about 0.4 mb improvement

o wait forgot to refrech

its now 109 mb

so 8 mb improvement

[pallid gale]

can you take a screenshot of the thing that shows all of your assets to see what's up

[versed lichen]

From 197 that's good, still probably textures though

[pallid gale]

oh dear the guitar is still causing trouble as 15 megabytes is a bit too much

have you done crunch compression yet?

[median sundial]

yes i have

[versed lichen]

Some static batching too seems

[median sundial]

but thats a unity asset

not the guitarr

[pallid gale]

I added up the total of all of your guitar textures to get the 13

https://i.gyazo.com/77de7be2b5505e79dcacd9b9bf905a6f.png

[median sundial]

oh uhmm sorry im stupid

so what now?

[pallid gale]

could you like click on one of those so I could see how big the texture currently is in like resolution

[versed lichen]

compression is set to none

Might wanna check all your textures at the top

[median sundial]

what should it be?

[versed lichen]

normal quality

on every textures you have

[median sundial]

the rest are all normal quality except the skybox wich is hight quality

[pallid gale]

https://i.gyazo.com/1d2fa196be8b449e6e1c7423309d79b4.png

an example of how you should have your compression setting set

[median sundial]

done

should the skybox also have normal quality?

[pallid gale]

yes it'll probably be fine like that

you should probably see a decent reduction in your file size setting everything that's not a normal map to normal crunch compressed 50%

[median sundial]

alrighty lets try it then

i think everything is on normal and compressed to 50

[pallid gale]

okay hopefully it is now because it wasn't earlier

[median sundial]

otherwise ill just redo the crunching

[pallid gale]

but yeah if it does the trick it should make it a lot smaller as 2048 is 0.5 mb at crunch compressed 50%

[pallid gale]

98 that's pretty good

[median sundial]

more then 100 mb lost but can we do even better?

improvement above and beyond

[versed lichen]

Do your rock textures have compression ?

[median sundial]

just checked yes they do

[versed lichen]

might want to reduce the scale

[pallid gale]

I have to go now but great job at shaving off 100 mb

[median sundial]

thanks so much!

you're great!

[pallid gale]

okay I'm back from my errands how goes

[lilac saddle]

What is the recommended poly count for worlds?

[signal sinew]

While a little outdated (it still references submitting worlds to be made public) this is a good guide to follow. A little on the strict side, but is a great guideline.
https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/submitting-a-world-to-be-made-public

[lilac saddle]

Thank you ^o^

[cinder tusk]

I'm wanting to switch away from using a sky box image (night sky with twinkling stars, nebula, etc) to something more procedural to improve download size.
Is building something in amplifier a valid choice?

[signal sinew]

There's a few solutions for this now, I recommend TowelCloud since it's pretty nice and still performs well.
https://gitlab.com/towelfunnelvrc/towelcloud/-/wikis/TowelCloud

[cinder tusk]

Ah thanks! Is that just clouds or does it do stars too?

Oh. I see further along in the video it does

[signal sinew]

I believe just clouds, though you can use whatever you want texture wise and I could easily be wrong. RedSim's skybox is a bit more feature rich, but dramatically more taxing on your computer and paid on patreon.

Ah good

I only do day scenes lol

[cinder tusk]

I'm doing a ring world so... even the day scenes probably want a few stars in... :D
May have to get creative and have several layers of skybox to get everything to layer correctly...

I'm currently using a pre-render I made but that's 100mb just for the texture

Which is a little obnoxious

[pallid gale]

did you do any crunch compression?

[unique kite]

If you do a legit ring world... Oh boy... I was crushed when Arks' Gen2 was fake ring world.

[cinder tusk]

Yeah. It seems to go 'that's nice' and doesn't change the size at all.

[cinder tusk]

@unique kite they are regular maps, but set on a ringworld. I do have a few prototypes up with the static backdrop and a private test world where I loaded in the full geo.

I'm thinking then my various worlds will be placed at different locations across the ring. Or in orbit of it, above it, etc

[pallid gale]

that sounds very cool having multiple maps that feel like they share the same location

https://i.redd.it/v7a5wt4e46k41.jpg

[cinder tusk]

You have to do a bit of cheating to camera with size change in the object etc as it were to make it look like the object is much larger than it actually is.

So it gets physically smaller as it moves further away and so on

And is actually distorted, but you can't see that from your tiny view point around world origin

Which if you think about it, is how old school movies did it too. But in our case the physical limit is not reality, but floating point maths. XD

[kindred kite]

Dam thats a cool world

My world is just with cubes XD

[cinder tusk]

We all start with cubes!

[vital hinge]

Unity hangs when I click Clear. How to fix it?

And the hang happens in any of my worlds.

[icy hedge]

So this is gonna be a really broad question at first, but I've been playing with the Profiler in 2019, and while in editor profiling mode, i can consistently achieve 200+ FPS on the CPU (>5ms response time), but when in VRChat, my cpu is almost maxed out. I know VR adds an obvious overhead, but wouldn't that be on the GPU, not CPU?

I just wanna know where the discrepancy is in performance is i guess

[versed lichen]

It's both CPU and GPU, what kind of CPU do you have ?

200FPS in editor isn't very high

[icy hedge]

Ryzen 7 5800x

this more comes from having issues between trying to figure out if its actually my world that's running bad or my pc, because a few days ago before windows updated, i was able to hit 144fps in my world at 120% SS on a valve index

[versed lichen]

What does your world show in stats, in the game window ?

[icy hedge]

for the profiler?

[versed lichen]

no, in editor, game window > stats

[icy hedge]

ah, give me a moment

302 fps @ 3.1ms on the CPU

[versed lichen]

at 200 batches yeah i'd be surprised you would hit max CPU load

Are you using FPSVR or XSOverlay ?

For the specs utilization

[icy hedge]

bbbbboth

[versed lichen]

and they show the same thing ?

[icy hedge]

yeah, though i dont really keep as close an eye on xso

[versed lichen]

You tried disabling some things in your world to see if it makes any difference ? Does the same issue show in other worlds ?

[icy hedge]

yeah, i've got udon pour on a small handful of props, like 8 at most i think
disabling them improves it, but not enough to call it case closed

also, i noticed while using the profiler that having the SDK window open increases my cpu time compared to other unity windows, but that doesn't really matter, more just a thing i noticed

[versed lichen]

Yeah, that's fixed in the next SDK update

[ionic jay]

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[gentle gust]

you can use any 3d modelling software if you want. to Atlas the textures i just use Cats Blender plugin. its fast and simple

[versed lichen]

Texture/Mesh compression is done in unity

[ionic jay]

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[versed lichen]

https://github.com/oneVR/VRWorldToolkit/releases

[vale dock]

this has probably already been posted hjere but this was a quick benchmark done by twitter@Metamensa to see how performance changed as vrchat upgraded to 2019.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15FU5FT6wNrDVuZbe2blL2N6xik4yA2Qd_vXDTIbafcw/edit#gid=0

to the person who got accidentally pinged, that was an accident. nothing to see here 0u0

there is more information in this thread:

https://twitter.com/Metamensa/status/1423114326479720451

Metamaniac (Table) (@Metamensa)

Hey #VRChat users! THE LONG-AWAITED UNITY 2019 UPDATE HAS RELEASED! And with it... The Big Boi Benchmarks™ (now with 50+ worlds!)

And the verdict is...

WE JUST GOT THANOS-SNAPPED!
50% OF CONTENT IS BETTER!
50% IS WORSE!

Let's talk about why! (a thread)
https://t.co/re5QYqhLo8

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[ionic jay]

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[versed lichen]

Did you look for tutorials ? There's quite a bit of info out there

[ionic jay]

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[versed lichen]

occlusion doesn't reduce file size

it actually increases it slightly

[ionic jay]

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[versed lichen]

performance

[unique kite]

so, you don't need vrchat examples for everything. You are using Unity not a VRChat engine.

Occlusion works off scale, thats what the top slider is all about. Scale calculations break if you combine scaled items with original sized items.
example would be a probuilder wall (original) with a plane scaled to match.

You dont set all items to occluder, only the solid stuff that is of the same scale. Occludee is for transparents and or really tiny shit.

[ionic jay]

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[unique kite]

did you reduce the texture resolution and crunch compress?

Literally no one with moderate experience and above uses any resolution higher than 1024, and most people stick around 512. Really generic textures 128. You can speed up the process with the toolkit.

[ionic jay]

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[pallid gale]

https://github.com/oneVR/VRWorldToolkit

install this so you can easily batch process everything

[unique kite]

I mean, you cant just keep adding stuff to your world, and have it stay small. If you want a crap load of pictures, you need to reduce their resolution.

[pallid gale]

and you'd probably need to put all the pictures together into a texture Atlas

because you can't run well on the quest if using lots of draw calls

[unique kite]

thats a good idea, i don't even bother lol but I should.

[ionic jay]

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[pallid gale]

basically a big picture that holds all of your little pictures https://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060126/figure1.jpg

[ionic jay]

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[pallid gale]

basically it's more efficient for the processor to only have to look at one picture instead of a bunch

give me a sec to have Unity load so I can show you what buttons to press so you can crunch compress all of your textures

[pallid gale]

https://i.gyazo.com/ec98e972fef4a9bac00d30865f43537b.png

[pallid gale]

and for your PC build you can always just use detail maps with your tiling textures to make them look nicer

[ionic jay]

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[pallid gale]

hopefully that does the trick

https://i.gyazo.com/a284f1e962fb02fedf4f54378ec5887a.png there's also a tool in it that when you attempt to test upload it tells you how big it is and where exactly all the file sizes going

[ionic jay]

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[pallid gale]

very handy so you can check for like textures that are like way too big

like no I do not need a 4K texture for a potted plant

[ionic jay]

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[pallid gale]

you'd want to bake your occlusion later after you get your textures compressed

as honestly a single texture that's like two big could take up more space than your occlusion baking

[solemn tapir]

Compression has drawbacks. It's best to physically reduce the size of all textures using Photoshop or similar. This reduces their total size in memory whereas compression will result in large textures in memory after decompress.

Should reduce actual texture res physically & use compression in unity together.

[versed lichen]

texture scale can be changed in unity FYI

[unique kite]

and its not destructive. No need for duplicates/backups

[tulip berry]

i have a 2 story house im building, would it be better to have sections of meshes combined (ex. the couch into the wall its on, rug to the floor) or have everything combined into one mesh or something else? i understand that less meshes = less drawcalls but is there a certain flow to how its done?

[versed lichen]

Combining objects that are often seen together is the best approach

So if you have two separate floors, combining the objects of each room on each floor would be best

[tulip berry]

ooook that makes sense thanks

[pallid gale]

yep so you can just play around to see with how small you can get away with without committing

[hazy pier]

Keep in mind that setting something as static will instruct Unity to statically batch it (combining the Meshes).
Combining the meshes manually usually leads to better performance though. You can check how Unity draws your scene via the frame debugger window.

[gritty cobalt]

Hello ! I believe it's the best channel to ask this.

I noticed that having "Generate Mip Maps" turned on for a texture actually increase it size drastically

Anyone know the usage of the said Mip Maps ? I can't find anything specific on google about it.

[spice thicket]

@gritty cobalt In general, mipmaps are pre-generated, lower-res versions of textures that are used when the object the texture is on is at a lower LOD (farther away)

It increases rendering speed/FPS, since you don’t have to load/process high res textures for something super far away, at the cost of increasing size

Difference in quality is minimal since you’re usually too far away to see the difference in texture

[gritty cobalt]

I see ; since i'm not using LOD at all I guess that's kinda pointless then ?

[spice thicket]

unity documentation
http://docs.unity3d.com/2020.1/Documentation/Manual/TextureStreaming.html
I don’t think it’s actually based on LODs, it just works similarly- so it’ll work regardless

VRC highly suggests it for avatars, and those don’t have any LOD

and the main benefit isn’t fps but rather memory, since ram can store smaller textures for faraway objects

[deft goblet]

LOD models are different from LOD textures. LOD textures are automatic merely from having mipmaps enabled on the texture. No components or setup otherwise

[gritty cobalt]

Gotcha, thanks you two.

[versed lichen]

Texture atlas is just multiple textures tiled inside of a bigger texture size

[pallid gale]

https://i.stack.imgur.com/sGxAD.png

you could combine textures together in image editing software or see if there's any Unity or blender plugins that automated it

[eager wave]

Is that a San Francisco map

[pallid gale]

nope just a little made-up European town I'm working on

[placid harbor]

I have a problem with a world of mine when i upload the quest, and i enter to test everything is miss textured and idk how yo fix it im using the Vrchat/mobile shaders

[boreal marsh]

how to fix stuttering when player change avatar or joining my world?

[versed lichen]

Which shaders

[versed lichen]

What's the performance of your world currently ?

[versed lichen]

That's a bit low, but nothing that should hitch badly

Are you triggering things when people join ?

And does that happen regardless of the avatar performance ?

[boreal marsh]

Yes.

[autumn glade]

Often if the avatar has audio on it, decompressing it will cause load lag for each person

[boreal marsh]

Only joining notifications and player list udon

[boreal marsh]

Hurm maybe🥺

[bold field]

Is there a way to see which elements makes your world actually that big ?

[rose wolf]

vrworldtoolkit or "Editor.log" if youre in a hurry

[bold field]

thx ^^

[autumn glade]

How do I decipher the report to get file size down, it's not adding to 52mb. is it counting uncompressed audio or textures? It's 52mb in game.

meshes are on low mesh compression, world audio on mono/compressed in memory/32% quality/optimize rate (14mb->5mb), lighting textures are down to 512 and crunch compressed, other textures are atlased and 70kb or less. I do have 4mb of reflection probes, maybe I can refine that

[gentle gust]

if a bigger filesize comes with better optimization, then i wouldnt mind the bigger filesize

[autumn glade]

I'm trying to target a quest upload with this when finished, some more geometry and udon will give it a few mb but something is inflating this. It was 10mb before I put in lightmaps and audio. This is my lightmap produced from bakery

got them down to 256k each, so it's strange it's adding so much

[versed lichen]

Audio can be compressed to 70% without any difference easily

[autumn glade]

I think I'm understanding the toolkit. the summary totals is counting the fbx in the assets, but not in the scene. if a fbx says it's 100kb, but I have 10 in the scene, it's going to be 1mb in the upload but the toolkit shows me it's 100kb value.

did high mesh compression on the largest fbx sizes, shaved 8mb, will need to rebake though, I think I'll just remove some scenery on quest to hit the 50mb

[versed lichen]

Don't do high compression, that destroys lightmap UVs

[autumn glade]

hmm is medium safe? yhea the lightmaps just obliterated on the high compression

[versed lichen]

Medium is safe yeah

[lilac saddle]

I am working on a world, and it has 154k tris at the moment and 51 seperate meshes

I want to optimize it as much as possible, is having lots of separate meshes good because I can make them when not looking at them?
Or is there a better way to go about optimizing a world

[versed lichen]

It depends if you're going to look at those objects at the same time or not

Merging objects that will be occluded together is good practice

[lilac saddle]

Hmm alright I will do that

[jolly heath]

Just don't merge entire rooms into a single mesh lol, let occlusion maps do thier job

[green kindle]

If I have occlusion culling set up in my world, do players get culled too or do they always render? And if they always render, is there a way to make them not ?

[unique kite]

Players should be culled as they are dynamic objects on client side. Unless otherwise changed by vrc. Its a standard default unity setup

[cloud hound]

So, I'm trying to make an island world and I'm setting up the water planes, however my terrain is quite large, so I have to put up a lot of water. And it's gotten to the point where the editor is frozen because I have so many objects. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to do large sections of water without killing my computer?

[unique kite]

one big ass quad. or just replace the planes with quads. 50% less poly

[errant flicker]

I have a question relating to pc world creators

[lilac saddle]

ask

[errant flicker]

Why do they set it to pc only? I know some world creators and they say it takes only three clicks to change the building platform to make it quest and pc compatible

To me it just seems a bit selfish to set it to pc only

[unique kite]

3 clicks? lol.

[errant flicker]

Yes

[unique kite]

bullshit 😉 3 clicks to switch to android. 2+ hours of shader changes, and compatibility testing.

[errant flicker]

Bruh what shaders are you using

[unique kite]

Most pc worlds use shaders that have no quest alternative. Why deface your world for a quest version? Its not selfish, it's sloppy to release crap.

[gritty cobalt]

Litteral reason why I asked the vrc support to delete the quest version of my world.

Basically, it's a lot of work to get it under 50mb, the videoplayer on quest seem to struggle with caching issues ( the big files randomly stop midway etc for no reasons ) ; youtube isn't working, world look a lot worst. Bad quality overall so I just decided to not allow it.

Also inputfield aren't working on quest since a long ass time but yeah that's something else

[vale dock]

it heavily depends on that specific world project, or any specific world project

if youre designing a world from the very beginning to be on the android bui;d and just so happen to be developing for Windows first, then yes there are tools out there that make it easy to just switch the project and change the shaders that your project is using. if you're designing for the android build as a priority and the assets would be exactly the same on either platform, then you would literally only have to switch the build platform on unity and publish again

if however like most players you're designing for the PC build primarily and not for the quest build, then no amount of asset store or world creation tools will help you make a quest build in less than a day. creating an android build for a lot of worlds would be less of a conversion project and more like creating a new world parallel to the PC world

it is absolutely and frustratingly true that there is a high number of worlds that can and should have quest builds but simply do not. and yet on the other hand, you have to think that a single world project for PC is a big project that can be overwhelming, and at the same time, PC worlds are much more forgiving than Android worlds. old garbo laptops with mobile hardware running the desktop client would still be able to do things that quests with mobile hardware just cannot do. but arguably even more importantly, the process of creating a PC world has a lot less friction involved; you will very quickly run up to the point where serious optimization must be done, but because PCs are chonkers this can usually be split into stages, where so long as optimization has already been considered for your assets, you can worry about batching and baking as a different stage of the process. but when developing for Andorid, optimization is no longer something that is performed and considered in steps-stages but instead something that envelopes the entire project and demands your constant attention.

unless your worlds are hyper stylized like blueasis's works, you are going to have a hard time.

because you have to think about how you can make every asset work with a mobile shader instead of just having a shitload of texture maps and assuming it will work out, you have to actually set budgets for drawcalls and polygons whereas on PC (at least in my opinion) exercising some basic common sense is more than enough since most VRC worlds are not as big as the devouring or other massive game worlds that come close to, while, being games

[unique kite]

I don't understand the frustration. If worlds were paid content sure. No one expects a person walking down the street with a bag of Doritos to share with everyone they pass. It's actually quite insulting to even suggest a pc only world is selfish. Most worlds I develop are quest compatible. A few are not because they were built for a purpose that would not have the same effect in Quest.

[vale dock]

this basically

yes it sucks but these things are really fucking hard

[calm wave]

how can i make a world portal smaller?

[charred plank]

I need help with this big world and making it's pretty damn huge and then using Oculus collision and I don't know what kind of settings I should sit as I always make it so it's not 500 mb

[versed lichen]

Are you using the vrworld toolkit to get a build report of your world size ?

[charred plank]

Is at in the pins

It is that help me do will it tell me a like what I need to reduce what kind of pot Oculus collision I might need to use

[versed lichen]

occlusion culling doesn't help with file size

but the vrworld tooklit has the build report function that will show you what the size of things in your world are

[charred plank]

where the world sizs at

oh nvm i see the build report

[frosty prairie]

hey guys, how do I optimize a world for quest users that uses this asset: https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/3d/vegetation/trees/realistic-tree-9-rainbow-tree-54622#description

Whenever my friend with a quest looks at a SINGLE tree, her frames drop to basically nothing. We tested it in my world

This is what it would look like for a PC user.

[unique kite]

Transparencies and Cutoffs are nuclear to Quest. Good luck with realism. Best tree alternatives are ones with mesh leaves that don't require shader magic. Mesh leaves/grass is going to make your world have a mcuh higher poly count which will also creep up on the Quest user so you will have to occlusion cull with really tight settings and set the reference camera distance as low as possible.

[pallid gale]

most of the Quest Worlds I've seen with transparent trees have something closer to like a PS2 polygon count where it's big triangles not lots of little transparent triangles

also like not a whole lot of line-of-sight blocking with that map layout

[unique kite]

also cant use trees with a skinmesh renderer. If the physical leaves can move (not texture leaves) its a skinmesh and that will also nuke Quest

[unique kite]

uhuh, which is why they need to reduce the max distance. If the camera cant render it, it can be culled.

[pallid gale]

of course but that would look kind of bad compared to a map layout that makes it less noticeable

[unique kite]

yep. maybe throw in a few ultra low poly homes, break it up a bit

[pallid gale]

big rocks are also a good choice

or having your terrain not being a big flat plane

[frosty ocean]

Can I use mesh collider for walls and furnitures? will that influence performance a lot?

[astral trout]

it can have an adverse effect performance if those meshes are high poly especially

you'll want to avoid use of mesh collider's whenever possible

[frosty ocean]

which one should I use for a cylinder?

[versed lichen]

You can use a sphere

[astral trout]

capsule collider is probably the best

[rugged ruin]

Occlusion Areas can make a Zone-A and Zone-B ?

If yes , the result can let player stay Zone-A would let CPU GPU not Rendering Zone-B ?

I am confuse to do this and don't know my world occlusion Areas is correct ?

[unique kite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC1kXk-mQHs

[rugged ruin]

I'm sorry even i do this in Unity, the FPS also not perfect

(I do Off mirror (Low) , bake all object , Resize the texture under 1024 ,2D skybox )

Hmmm, have any opinion i can do ?

😩

[eager wave]

Should I be baking environmental lighting?

Right now it's set to realtime

[pallid gale]

yes all of your lighting should be baked

[rugged ruin]

I want to keep my QV pen and chat keybord not occlusion but idk how to change that (I do not choose occlusion these 2 item but still be bake in Unity ?)

Anyone know how to change it ?

[dapper meadow]

my world is like getting lagger as time goes on. is there a common thing that causes that? im sure i didnt add something to cause it but ofc if i didnt then this wouldnt be happening. SDK 3.0 Unity 2019

[unique kite]

adding more content increases size. Each model you add or duplicate, each texture added. You can reduce the texture size(resolution) in unity without using an editor and it is not destructive meaning if you set it to 512 and it looks like shit, you can revert it anytime.

select the texture, and your inspector will look like this(sort of) and then you can change the max size.

[stiff badger]

can anyone help me optimizing my world? it keeps saying this

[versed lichen]

Not an optimization question, your project has unity console errors

[stiff badger]

oh well do you know how to fix?

[versed lichen]

No idea, worth googling first

[eager wave]

Ok wow, I never knew you could use the other tab, the default options are garbage now that I found this out... I can render an 8k texture at the same size as a 1024 with default compression... This is insane

Only reason I need a higher resolution is because it's a sprite sheet, now my fire won't look like hot garbage

[unique kite]

setting max size to 1024 will reduce the resolution to 1024. It wont show an 8k with less size.

[pallid gale]

that would be crunch compression you're looking for and you probably wouldn't want to use an 8K on anything as that is a large amount of vram

[eager wave]

It's a sprite sheet of a fire animation. Setting the resolution to 1024 makes each tiny sprite look like a blurred pixelated blob. The sprite sheet needs to be a large resolution so each sprite can look good.

[eager wave]

Unless you know another way around this?

[pallid gale]

see how it looks at 2K or 4K

[eager wave]

I did, I had it at 2048 before I figured out you can change the tab. It looked bad, which is why I started playing around with the other compressions

[pallid gale]

compression only deals with download size not how much vram it takes up

[unique kite]

If download size is a concern, then you have to toe the line between quality. Find what works. You can also try looking for alternative textures with a natural lower resolution and use those. When you reduce resolution or increase it beyond its natural size the algorithm has to interpret the pixel difference and fades between them causing blur. So if you have/find a texture that looks good in 512 then you have a suitable alternative.

In most cases 1024 looks alright for realistic, you can use a higher resolution normal map and ambient occlusion to blend imperfections as well as decals. Baked AO not post processing. Sometimes it has the reverse effect so you just need to play around.

[lilac saddle]

Super late but that means you need to install the android build target for 2019.4.29f1, basically if you try to switch your project withOUT that it gives u that error

Did you install your Unity 2019.4.29f1 directly through unity hub, or off an official unity webpage

[stiff badger]

Sorry I’m a little late to, no I fixed the issue awhile ago and optimized the world, but thank for trying to help

[lilac saddle]

pog optimization

bake literally EVERyTHing

[jolly heath]

You know how default cubes have like two triangles per face, would merging those 2 together on each surface have literally any impact on performance or are those low numbers insignificant

[unique kite]

I guess it depends on how many cubes you are going to have. With a handful the time invested no matter how little won't compensate for the performance. But if you are doing a sudo voxel build, sure.

[hollow elk]

If you mean merging two tris into a quad it wouldn't change anything because unity will split that quad back into two tris for rendering anyway

[jolly heath]

Ah nice good to know

[tawdry otter]

anyone know what layer the PlayerLocal layer becomes when they sit into a chair? I'm trying to make trigger-based culling systems...it works but whenever I take a seat everything disappears.

been having this issue for a while with SDK2

dunno what it is, or hell what would work instead of PlayerLocal. if they have to scan for 2 it dont matter

@ me or whatever bc i'm dying to know

[tawdry otter]

Found it: if you put "PlayerTracking" on the trigger it doesn't turn off

maybe...the website should say this?
I literally didn't know it for a year and a half and it's only now that I'm finding out through Guesswork

double-checked that....
now it's not culling correctly.

I don't think that was the layer....like somehow playertracking is a universal layer....wtf?

might've been added by some asset, not too sure.
any other guesses would be great.

gonna keep looking for it but I can confirm after a second upload test, it's not PlayerTracking

yeaa so apparently that's not part of the SDK by default. It has to be one of these. http://vrchat.wikidot.com/worlds:layers

[tawdry otter]

Still haven't gotten it.

Does anyone know what layer the PlayerLocal becomes when they enter a Station?

Or, more specifically...

I'm trying to setup manual-culling by making SDK2 VRCTrigger-events for OnEnterTrigger and OnExitTrigger in the PlayerLocal layer.

It works fine...except when the player enters a VRCStation/chair.

The trigger acts as if the player has exited it, even if the seat's IN the trigger, and plays the events associated with OnExitTrigger.

All I need to know is what's going on, and how to fix this. There's no way somebody else hasn't encountered this issue before.

Is it a layer I'm not targeting? What layer does a seated-local player become? Do I need to do something with the VRCStation(s)? What's the solution to this???

[rose wolf]

how expensive/taxing is having overlapping colliders cause?

[versed lichen]

If they're static i'd say none ?

[rose wolf]

static negates that?

[versed lichen]

I wouldn't expect any collision checks to happen between two static objects

(ie no rigidbody on it), it's not a player of a physics object

[rose wolf]

ok. that makes sence

thank you

[tulip berry]

kinda weird question that i tried googling first, i see all the time a max poly/triangle count and mat slots, etc for avatars, but would anyone know any good info about these kinds of limits for worlds?

[unique kite]

I believe the doc says 50MB and 50k or less poly. It says world total but really its just what is rendered that counts. So if you are smart with your mirrors, lighting and occlusion culling, you can easily keep your rendered poly below 50k on a quest world. https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/quest-content-optimization

[tulip berry]

thank you, i was wondering about pc content tho

for best experience, while still having the best quality, basically good values for balancing performance vs quality

[unique kite]

It's the same principles just less aggressive. Reducing draw calls via atlasing, combining meshes, baked lighting, occlusion culling, not using expensive shaders. You can use the Unity profiler to see whats being the most taxing in your world.

Make sure to use cyanemu and the toolkit so you can test and debug from within unity without launching vrchat. The stats display + the Profiler will give you more information during play mode than you will get just looking at FPS in game.

[frosty ocean]

will camera still cost resources if its render layer is deactivated?

[frosty ocean]

Ok it did==

[coral edge]

Hello, Somebody told me I could use blender mixed with Unity to make a world, like, for using 1 texture and shape instead of using many

to create a wall or a floor, and I was wondering how to do it, like, after making the shape on blender, how to get it on unity and on the correct size

also I was wondering how to make folders to organize better the objects I create on unity

[gentle gust]

export -> fbx -> import the FBX into unity

[gentle gust]

and you can create folders yourself however you like them. i for myself like to make one folder for all the models, one for all the textures, one for all the materials and one for all the prefabs. imported stuff i usually dont touch, unless they drop stuff into the root folder

[coral edge]

I meant like the left side of the screen objects, u are talking about the ones on the lower left side?

[gentle gust]

i was talking about the asset explorer at the bottom

do you mean the hierachy?

[coral edge]

yes

bc i have like 26 cubes I want to put into a folder bc they are all walls

[gentle gust]

ahhh gotcha
well, you can create empty game objects as container for more things

[coral edge]

holy

[gentle gust]

right click in the hierachy -> add new empty game object -> set it to 0 0 0 (good pracice, you dont have to) and then just drag n drop all the cubes into that one game object

[coral edge]

and about the assets I should delete

assets i'm not using

?

only leave the folders I am using?

[gentle gust]

in the hierachy or in the asset explorer?

[coral edge]

asset explorer

or it doesn't affect at all

unless I'm using them

[gentle gust]

just leave them

there is always the risk of deleting something that something else depends on

[coral edge]

Oh I see

[gentle gust]

you can delete if you are 100% certain about it being useless

[coral edge]

I see

thank you!

I will probably ask again once I am learning blender (right now just trying to make a world with a mirror and if possible add some seats)

[lilac saddle]

good to start simpleee

then soon you can kitbash a world together

[coral edge]

what is that hahahaha

[lilac saddle]

just means you put a bunch of assets together to make one product

so like getting a bunch of furniture models and putting it in your world and going through them all until you get something you like

[coral edge]

Oh I see, thanks!

[jovial sentinel]

what are some good tips for optimizing for quest?

[pallid gale]

question optimizing a existing map or making a new one with the quest in mind

https://www.reddit.com/r/VRchat/comments/mlsm08/a_comprehensive_and_changing_guide_to_build/ found a decent Reddit post covering Quest tips

[frosty ocean]

If I use For loop to look for certain element in an array, How can I stop the for loop and right after I found it?

[frosty ocean]

Hi there, I want to use AudioSource[] to store my sound effect but that didn't play for me. Use Audiosource variable to play a single file seems fine. Both are set to public.

[astral trout]

array indexes start at 0, not 1

[frosty ocean]

Thanks, that helped

[mild rune]

if an object isn't being rendered, it isn't being rasterized, textured and shaded/lighted, right? But the collision data is still there so technically the computer is still accounting for the object. How performance intensive is it to account for these objects that aren't being rendered?

I know collision data for static objects is baked in

but what if the object has other data

[versed lichen]

What kind of other data ?

Disabling an object is cheaper, bit re-enabling it has its own cost

[unique tulip]

Hello everyone, I'm having issues with atlasing/optimizing my maps textures...

Before I had all my textures atlased there were no seams between the tiles now that I used cats plugin or tried to make the atlas manually there are visible seams on my map. What do I do?

I used blender to build this project

What it is supposed to look like/what it looked like before atlasing

[pallid gale]

scale down your uvs ever-so-slightly

[unique tulip]

I have scaled it down by up to 90% of the original size, the uvs are still messed up for some reason

[pallid gale]

would you mind showing a picture of your UV layout on top of your Atlas

[pallid gale]

basically need to scale down the uvs so they're not touching the edge as the texture get scale down with mipmapping it sampling the other tiles

https://i.gyazo.com/35b29a40d9323203da1ca321e9f32132.png

[unique tulip]

so the textures in the atlas cannot be touching eachother?

[pallid gale]

your uv need to be smaller than the edge not the texture as if you put like some blank pixels in between the textures it would sample that instead

[unique tulip]

so i need some similarly colored blank space

or to stretch out the edges somehow...

to ensure the uv is the same size as the texture but that there is some room for 'bleedover'

[pallid gale]

anything wrong with just like scaling down all of your uv like 5%

[unique tulip]

yeah the issue persists

and the textures stop being seamless

that's my biggest problem - the black lines between the tiles of the ground are really disruptive

my grass and the stone floor is made using a seamless texture

[pallid gale]

question are you trying for the quest or PC

[unique tulip]

both

[pallid gale]

okay so yeah you'll definitely have to play around with your uvs or modifying the texture to add some padding as you cannot use any custom shaders on Quest

https://forum.unity.com/threads/how-to-deal-with-texture-bleeding-and-mipmaps-in-atlas.417132/

[stiff bolt]

Hello! I've been making worlds for a while now and only learned that this was bad practice
I was wondering what kind of issues this could cause as if they are significant enough i may convert my worlds

[unique kite]

Those issues are usually with scale and rotation. proper scaling is essential in VR to prevent Mesh distortion. If you have ever picked up a card in VRC and watched it stretch thats what happens when your scale is fubar. There is almost no point in using blend files as Unity just converts those files to an fbx anyway only without your input. So it just makes more sense to export from blender exactly what you want and how you want it.

[rose wolf]

not to mention if you update blender or unity for some reason cant find blender. the blendfile will ceuce. and also sharing a project with blendfiles is just pure evil and considerably rude

[vivid dirge]

i hate when someone sends me a .blend file and it has their disgusting custom blender layout

[cobalt leaf]

Me, a default general enjoyer

[pallid gale]

probably not the best spot for that as at the opposite of what we would want to do

[gentle gust]

nah, having an 8k floor texture is fun in a super mario 64 world

[olive bronze]

Why.. why everything shakes like mad in my map? it's just 1 Mb in size, its a tall tower

[unique kite]

like physically moving or flickering textures?

[versed lichen]

Your world is too far from 0,0,0 in Unity

[solemn tapir]

You can see what this does to you to better understand it's effect in the world https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_b9f80349-74af-4840-8ce9-a1b783436590

But yes, need to be near 0,0,0. Having your far clip on the camera set really high can cause meshes to also shake on lower end rigs, or on the quest Far clip especially will cause major shaking so double check that you don't have some absurd far clip value set too.

You do have a pretty wide margin as well. You have like a 1K meter squared area where you'd be hard pressed to notice the effect. Going out over 1k will start breaking down, getting progressively worse. Around 10k meters it will become hard to use your menu but still doable. anything past that will get very hard to use your menu. Around 100-300k m your screen will break down to nothing but random pixels and you'll eventually crash as you keep going (not in the world linked, just speaking in general)

Don't know where your center point is? easy. Spawn a 3D Cube in the root of your hierarchy and then set it to 0,0,0 on it's position and that's the world center. Center everything in your world around this point.

[pallid gale]

that was a very trippy map

[solemn tapir]

Yea, It's a nice demonstration of the concept of float point errors and a unique way to take advantage of them.

[cobalt leaf]

I was looking for a map that showed this

I know there's one on Roblox lol

[toxic stag]

I made the smallest world with mirror!
https://vrchat.com/i/toby-roarchalmers-37b72

[lilac saddle]

Thx everyone for developing environmentally frendly world with low power use

[lilac saddle]

Should I worry about Wind Zone(s) in unity being generally bad for performance or no

is the movement like baked?

[unique kite]

You can roll baked lights without shadows and be better off if you need wind. If you do have shadows with a bake you need to disable wind.

[lilac saddle]

ah ok thank you

[static pewter]

Vrcworld is not giving me the players jump,run category to change it. Is there another way thru udon behavior?

[versed lichen]

it's on the vrcworld udon behavior'

[static pewter]

I found it. Was on the side arrow of vrcworld

[ivory spear]

So other than limiting the number of active particles on a particle effect, are there any other tricks for optimizing a world with a lot of particles?

And it seems my fog/mirror issue wasn't fully resolved, it only partially helped. When looking at mirrors my unity fog bleeds through textures regardless of the shader being used.

[unique kite]

In 2018 Unity implemented GPU Instanced Particles into the particle system which is intended for mass particle display. Requires a rework of anything you have already setup. You assign a mesh, you tick the gpu instancing box in the particle system, and assign a shader that supports gpu instancing. The link will explain how to set it up. https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/PartSysInstancing.html

[ivory spear]

thanks

[solemn tapir]

He's erroneously calling GPU instanced particles "GPU Particles" these are not one in the same like he has implied and are infact entirely different in practically all ways of how they function and why you may use one over the other.

"A mesh gets assigned" no, you have to give it a mesh yourself. This is because you can only instance meshes in unity, so to instance a particle, it needs a mesh and a shader that supports GPU instancing. Billboard or meshless particles can not be instanced. Instancing a unity particle system also still relies on both CPU and GPU as the CPU is managing the particle system and sending that data to the GPU and can cause wait periods whereas GPU particles run entirely on GPU and can render faster.

GPU particles however, like Kev has already been told, do not use the unity particle system at all, they use a camera/CRT or a grabpass with a light to base depth and then draw all the particles inside a shader, though cameras or a grabpass isn't implicitly required just typical, point is you're drawing your particles as points inside a shader. This is vastly more performant than unity particles as you can draw millions of particles and it all runs on GPU, freeing CPU overhead for more important logic while eliminating CPU to GPU wait time entirely.

If you need a large volume of particles, consider using GPU particles. There are a few solid prefabs out there made specifically for VRChat now a days. These can not be easily made yourself without knowledge of shader writing and cameras but the prefabs are easy to setup.

If you are using unity particles and are using meshes on your particles and these meshes are low poly, enable GPU instancing and use a GPU instanced shader.

I personally don't know of any assets that simply enable GPU instancing for a particle system, that's a trivial task and doesn't exist as an asset that I've ever seen. Though there are GPU particle prefabs, but as mentioned in this post, they are entirely different and not easy for someone to make themselves, though the prefabs are easy to setup and use. I'm not sure where that statement of his came from of there being assets to enable GPU instancing on unity particles pre 2018 when that wouldn't have even been supported but he may purely have been confused.

TL:DR GPU Particles are NOT GPU instanced particles and depending on your project, overhead, bottlenecks, particle count, how many particle systems, how complex the meshes are, if you have meshes or need them at all, etc, determines what you may desire using.

[solemn tapir]

dude.

Funny because I actually linked you that page and you still seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of particle instancing and what GPU particles are.

The page linked is purely regarding Particle instancing. It has nothing to do with GPU particles at all

The examples of shader code are examples of implementing Particle instancing in your own shader, not examples of GPU particles.

Ah the old "I was proven wrong over and over but instead of admitting my mistake I pretend it's a funny joke" thing

Mind telling me what the assets you mentioned that were made pre 2018 that somehow enable Particle instancing in a version of unity that is unsupported?

I would love a link

No, you made statements implying that GPU particles and Particle instancing is the same thing

Mind sharing those links though?

still waiting

No there isn't

"In 2018 Unity implemented GPU Particles into the particle system" no they didn't

how can you claim you didn't imply they are the same thing. Literally say it right there

Instancing is NOT GPU particles, are you really this head strong, how they function, their execution, what they rely on, where they run in your system, are all entirely different

[unique kite]

this is pointless. good day dude

[solemn tapir]

Wow.

[unique kite]

if you want to debate we can do it in dm not in here. its inappropriate

[solemn tapir]

1: never provided proof of claimed assets that don't exist
2: clearly implies GPU particles and Instancing is the same thing
3: ignores all information about how these systems operate
4: runs away happy to provide bad information later

Providing accurate information to people is important and appropriate. Knowing when to accept fault or when to say "hey, I guess I didn't know that, or hey, I was wrong and mispoke" is important. I shared my information so others wouldn't be mislead with misleading information

"In 2018 Unity implemented GPU Particles" You call them GPU Particles here clearly

"There are also third party assets that do this most of which predate the 2018 update." You claim there are assets pre 2018 that can do this, there isn't. unless again, you're confusing GPU instancing for GPU Particles which you simply back peddled on to save face

"When you can't be bothered to read the official unity documentation. Darn, and I even provided the link. shucks." you mock me when the documention provided is only for instancing and has nothing to do with GPU particles

"No i didnt. There are older setups the reinvent the same thing." No there isn't. Pre 2018 you couldn't instance particles and GPU particles are entirely different so they aren't Reinventing anything the same, they are entirely different systems

I also didn't recommend anything. I clarified the difference between GPU instancing and GPU Particles

Do you know the difference between Particle instancing and GPU Particles?

you literally state GPU particles multiple times and make statements that elude the to fact that you were confusing the two and are now backpedaling. this is sad. Hopefully you've learned regardless because I don't really want to type all that out for a third or fourth time for you. I know I'm not the only one who's clarified this. You know, darn well, that your statements are clearly misleading and have thus ignored everything I've posed of you but I'm here to help people and here posting this to provide accurate information. hopefully you'll do the same moving forward. cheers

wow man

Dude, you stated this entire convo that

Literally unable to even own up to your own statements and actions

"When you can't be bothered to read the official unity documentation. Darn, and I even provided the link. shucks." Mocking someone providing accurate information because you lack knowledge on a topic instead of taking that information and correcting yourself

And still, doing the same. You've learned nothing. and will learn nothing. I'm wasting my time. I'll just save the timestamp on this convo so I can just link it next time you provide misleading information, or mock someone correcting you I guess.

[unique kite]

I added the two missing words to the original post. So sorry to have offended you.

[solemn tapir]

Amazing. Shame you had to cause this entire back and forth instead of just saying that and doing that from the beginning. Glad you removed the false statements about assets that don't exist as well. Cheers

can you seriously not stop? I've already made numerous posts about exactly why it was clear your post was misleading and not just a typo and your follow up posts only confirm that fact

This is pointless. I'm blocking you. Goodbye

[cold prairie]

This is not the appropriate place for arguing any further messages on the matter you will have to go away for a day or few to calm down

[unique kite]

absolutely right "] KevBal: if you want to debate we can do it in dm not in here. its inappropriate"

[solemn tapir]

No worries, I already blocked him. Just was trying to share accurate, not misleading information which Is reflected in my posts. Cheers everyone.

[ivory spear]

Does anyone know of any sort of.. automatic HD enhancing tools for old textures from PS2 era? Like maybe some readily available machine learning online generator?

[versed lichen]

Waifu2X

[ivory spear]

yep that worked

[ivory spear]

How much pressure would 80 animated dynamic bones put on a world?

[solemn tapir]

So long as you avoid collision, and your world is fairly light on cpu usage, it wouldn't be worse than most e girl avatars lol. Dynamic bones runs on a single core of the CPU, so if your world has pretty high CPU usage already, it could be felt more than if not. Profiling your world using unitys profile tools can be helpful in determining if any specific change had a negative impact

[rich geode]

is there a method of deleting all unused assets and materials from your project?

[versed lichen]

Some unity assets do that for you

[rich geode]

like lets just say ok yep im good for now i dont need to add anymore right now, just to clean up my project folder... is there a way to select all unused files and get rid of them

[versed lichen]

But it's really destructive if you're not paying attention

Better to do it manually tbh

delete folders after checking

[rich geode]

manually is fine... is there a way i can tell if an asset is withtin the scene or not?

i have a habit of importing alot of stuff at once and only using bits of the package

[versed lichen]

You can use an asset checker for that purpose, but id' keep the deletion process manual

[rich geode]

ahk right right, is that on the store? or package manager

[versed lichen]

store, plenty to chose from, depends on what you want to pay for tbh

[odd tiger]

HELP : Unity stuck at "Preparing Bake..." for nearly 6 hours, how to fix it ?

[rustic canyon]

I have a question about what number of objects is appropriate for the world FBX file. Usually when I make my 8-bit worlds, I try to have as few objects as possible by combining things, but I'm not sure if that is the wrong approach.
Currently this model is 663 objects and 25 040 tris. In my previous 8-bit worlds I just combined every piece of furniture to be a permanent part of its respective room, or alternatively, combined every world prop into one or two megaprops.
What kind of approach should I take here? This is not going to have any baked lighting or shadows.

In total this has 7 rooms acting as separately culled areas. The main world you see here, and 6 villa interiors.

View of the interiors