3d-modeling

[calm goblet]

i'll always recommend tutorials that're actually good quality

teaching good practices

if people don't at least want to learn the basics of how to do it properly i'm not gonna tell them how to do it badly

they can find plenty of that just googling "vrchat avatar tutorial"

[devout scroll]

Well that's fair

[spiral sigil]

true

how do I make vrchat avatar?

[calm goblet]

learn to make proper characters 😛

then learn the unity setup

[devout scroll]

Read a book on anatomy, one on topology, one on rigging and one on animation for good measure

[calm goblet]

grant abbitt has some good character modelling and sculpting tutorials

[spiral sigil]

on a serious note do you happen to know a good resource on human anatomy

[calm goblet]

read a book? nah you gotta practice

[spiral sigil]

all I have found is whatever is on lobrary gensis

[calm goblet]

anatomy for sculptors ebook

and practice

[spiral sigil]

ok swick

[devout scroll]

Read a book on how practice efficiently

[calm goblet]

always use photos of actual humans in your references

[spiral sigil]

yes practice i dont want to be reliant on references after a while

[calm goblet]

always use references!!!!!!!!

[spiral sigil]

ou

[calm goblet]

doesn't matter if you've been doing it 3 weeks 3 years or 3 centuaries

[spiral sigil]

ok ill use more 3d.sk then too

[calm goblet]

use fucking refs

and download pureref

[tulip condor]

welcome to 2022 yey 😏

[azure rain]

it's not 2022 for another 12 days

[spiral sigil]

death

[spiral sigil]

timezones: good evening

[spiral sigil]

its a start. yeah i got bored sorry (carol baskin)

i completely forgot about her

[spiral sigil]

until today

yeur

[rain fjord]

having problems with my lighting, tried removing ngons but it didn't work

[median pike]

What's the best way to do skirts in vrc? Is the cloth component the way to go or dynamic bones?

[languid fog]

@dapper herald don't do advertising here buddy.

[languid fog]

you mean doing a skirt or making the physic?

[median pike]

The physics

Making a skirt is easy I don't have a problem with that

[languid fog]

dynamic bones is the only way to do cloth physic right now

if i not wrong

[median pike]

That's not true

[azure rain]

the cloth component

[median pike]

You can use the cloth component

Just wondering which one do you guys prefer and why

I tried skirts with dynamic bones but even with colliders my legs still slip trough when sitting

Maybe a combination of constraints and dynamic bones?

I am guessing avatar dynamics will make this trivial but for the time being I need a solution

[devout scroll]

Shorter skirts can usually get away with weight paint on the legs and some dynamic bones

But constraints might be better if you don't want to ruin your skirt wrights

[spiral sigil]

AhaHh human models are hard

half the work is telling myself its not going to be perfect first time around and not letting it slow me down

if I have an entire arm should I make the chest from where the arm starts or no because i feel like that would be really clunky especially for someone who never done this

where ideally would i start polymodelling the chest?

[spiral sigil]

actually it took me 3-2 days or one to get to where i am today. ive obviously improved alot but it took 2-3 days for all this "skill"

[calm goblet]

you mean using a generator to create abominations 😛

[calm goblet]

if you're polymodelling i'd have started with the torso first, not the arm, but you can always start it as a block and fuse the arm later

personally i think polymodelling is the less efficient way to go for characters, even if you're going anime/stylized, but there's plenty of people who'd argue the other way lol

[foggy granite]

I say both is good in there own way but the true legends take advantage of both

[calm goblet]

for what they're suited to, sure

polymodelling is fine for making little hard surface bits, starting to block out some accessories maybe

[foggy granite]

I agree with that

But poly allow you block out shapes quickly then you can use sculpting to refine the shapes so you don’t have to retopo

[spiral sigil]

ok got it, and I will eventually get to sculpting but for now im going to stick with polymoddeling

[foggy granite]

I say start using sculpting tool to refine some of shapes once you got a decently dense mesh to help speed up the process since you can edit multiple verts pretty fluidly

[spiral sigil]

that is true since w polymoddeling im kinda stuck with whatever i can do with proportional editing

[calm goblet]

the problem with that is that when you polymodel and fix with sculpting after you're most likely gonna change the topology enough that you have to go back and fix your original topology anyway

[devout scroll]

you can always do both

i think multires allows for that but i never really tried using it

[calm goblet]

and specially when you subD model and you start adding creases and support loops to make shapes you're sompletely ruining the topology no matter what you do

[calm goblet]

multires is for when you sculpt a blockout, retopo it and then continue sculpting for detail

[spiral sigil]

is there even difference between what subdivision surface and multires does

[foggy granite]

Yes

[calm goblet]

big difference

multires is just a subdivision level for your sculpting

it's real subdivisions

[devout scroll]

doesn't multires allow you to basically keep both low and high poly

[foggy granite]

Yeah

[calm goblet]

subdivision surface is dynamic subdivision, you can't edit the subdivided polygons only the original ones

[devout scroll]

so you can sculpt details

[foggy granite]

Then bake em

[spiral sigil]

OH so you have to use multires if you want to sculpt the subdivided geometry

[foggy granite]

Yeah

[spiral sigil]

and then you can roll it back to low poly

[calm goblet]

yeah, multires is so you can have subdivision levels while sculpting

you can do details on a high level, you can make proportional changes on lower levels

[spiral sigil]

did I miss anything horribly obvious in terms of shape or am I ok on that front for now

last question for a bit

[calm goblet]

you have some incredibly weird topology

and very uneven shapes

[spiral sigil]

tell me more

that sounded aggressive in text lol

[calm goblet]

all this zigzagging uneven shit, serves no purpose at all, having the hand completely detached also serves no purpose

the thumb appeard to be very square from that screenshot, and the rest of the arm seems a bit flat as well

ideally you should be aiming for nice even topology and shapes that match the anatomy of the character you're making

[spiral sigil]

another big problem probably has to do with me not having 1 single character im basing this off of

[azure rain]

https://i.gyazo.com/3fb9f7777e22368836751d76bc73fed9.png also noticed you had lines that go nowhere even though you had like triangles to do a converting 2 into 1

[azure rain]

then you would want to gather General anatomical reference

[spiral sigil]

I copied that weird triangle thing from a model I was looking at and im not exactly sure its purpose

[calm goblet]

also download daz studio to study the topology of the genesis 8 models

it's good topology

not perfect but it's good

[spiral sigil]

i will look at that then i like that idea

[calm goblet]

but perfect topology is defferent for everyone

[azure rain]

like the way you have it currently the triangle is not serving its purpose

[spiral sigil]

oooops

[calm goblet]

you don't even need the triangle there, you're using all the loops

[azure rain]

like that might serve some purpose if you actually had your wrist and hand properly connected but you currently don't at the moment

[calm goblet]

like rain and i said, get some anatomy references, get daz studio and use those models as topology references

then you'll have a bit of an easier time putting together your base

[spiral sigil]

im going to be doing that since I like looking at other models who already have it done

[calm goblet]

eventually you'll come up with your own methods as you get more used to rigging and animating

but you'll have the same base

the differences will be in how you account for muscles and bones in your topology

[surreal flame]

Something I feel people forget: You can be your own 100% realistic reference - why look online for hands when you have two of those?

[calm goblet]

do your hands have a wireframe?

[spiral sigil]

that and im also skinny

[calm goblet]

maybe you want to make the hands of a north sea fisherman, or a dainty princess, you need hand refs suited to those types of characters

[surreal flame]

Not bad. But I'm referring to the shape.

[spiral sigil]

and a child

most models are adults

[calm goblet]

on the upside, you learning as a kid you'll already have some solid skills by the time you wanna actually make some money

[spiral sigil]

thats the plan

[languid fog]

Use inflate, grab and etc

This tools will help you

A lot

You can do more organic shapes with it

[spiral sigil]

okay

[languid fog]

Thats a ngon

I dont think you would like to have ngons there

[azure rain]

https://i.gyazo.com/5aeffb53f2afe7d512266521301b68e0.png

what it would look like with no ngons

[spiral sigil]

its more than just a generator

i do alot to those "abominations"

[tame sinew]

https://gyazo.com/a9a0d429cd7830ecb85d8ed4371ae6a2
How do I fix these polys and make them all flat and regular?

[spiral sigil]

can someone put my model in vrchat?

[spiral sigil]

Watch these official VRChat videos on how to do it yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjS8rreIMos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRAnDMUbWt8

[spiral sigil]

if you are talking about the hard corners you are seeing, you can shade your object smooth instead of flat. So youd just right click on your mesh in edit mode and select shade smooth and then import to unity and it should be better

this is done in blender btw

[tame sinew]

That didn't work...

[spiral sigil]

you should probably add some more geometry to it anyway

dont go overboard

just enough so that yknow its actually decently smooth

curious to see what its looks like in unity w smooth shading to make sure ye did it right

[tame sinew]

https://gyazo.com/1e9c69ef7c9bcf5b7d1dae93089d9151
Looks the exact same...

[spiral sigil]

how are the normals on that thing? they look scuffed i think its the normals that cause that

[quaint jasper]

You can select those four faces and Alt + N > From Faces

Or Y > By Selection

[tame sinew]

Honestly I have no idea
I had to manipulate the normals and geometry on this so much. Originally the back there didn't exist

[quaint jasper]

if it's just hard surface without bevels, could all be flat shaded in the first place

[tame sinew]

Oh wait a sec

I reset the vectors and they look good now

[spiral sigil]

pog

[tame sinew]

https://gyazo.com/c7103e02e026ed35c316762f6e854629
Much better!

[spiral sigil]

any specific reason they dont do the knuckle flow on the bend for the distal part of the finger (did I ask that right?)

[proven creek]

I’m making a Marinette model for my avatar and having trouble finding a good outline node

[spiral sigil]

heres how all my avis start. Im making tuv. a darkweb spooky youtuber

[spiral sigil]

thats not sog

who else makes darkweb spooky videos

[spiral sigil]

whatchu mean

some ordinary gamers

sog

his 200 part series on youtube on the dark web

ive already made a model of him

ooh

[wicked iris]

showing this, because I'm glad the underarm is poking out like a sharkteeth whenever the arms are out wide

[spiral sigil]

i dont thonk elbows are supposed to be able to bend up like that uuhh

not when your arm is straight out at least

[cosmic tulip]

not sure what you mean, that looks normal to me

[cosmic tulip]

are you not able to bend your arm forward when you outstretch your arm?

or are you referring to the armor the character is wearing?

[spiral sigil]

up not forward

without the prt of the arm closer to the shoulder dipping

or wait mahbe you can but you have to force it with your shoulder and it feels a little odd

but since their palm is facing the ground its har

[cosmic tulip]

perhaps im misunderstanding something but i can perform both forward and up at about the angle seen in the screencap

also its worth mentioning the angle of the armor probably exaggerates the direction of the bend

[spiral sigil]

probably

[calm goblet]

you got an example of a finished one?

[spiral sigil]

colors arnt 100% rn but heres an example

[calm goblet]

any better images? can't really see shit on such a tiny screenshot

[spiral sigil]

roasted

render in 4k nerd

[calm goblet]

or just screenshot close enough that the face isn't a minecraft skin

[spiral sigil]

its discords shitty image compression. this is close enough

[calm goblet]

are you planning to do anything else with it? looks like a cardboard cutout atm

[spiral sigil]

wdym

[calm goblet]

it looks like you took a photo and stuck it to a mesh

[spiral sigil]

thats how the generator works

[calm goblet]

that's why i asked if you were gonna do anything with it

you know, something to make it look good

[spiral sigil]

what is there to do to it

[calm goblet]

you don't see a problem with that as it is?

[spiral sigil]

nope

[azure rain]

your avatar is going to look very silly in any lighting because you have all the lighting built-in because you took a photo

[calm goblet]

it's not even the lighting

you don't have separate hair, clothes, eyes, interior of the mouth, no normal map, no specularity, no SSS, and the fact that you ran a generator on a clearly fairly low res image means you have zero details

[spiral sigil]

interior?

[spiral sigil]

i can make a normal map

[azure rain]

from what

[calm goblet]

that isn't gonna help the fact that you have really blown out albedo and nothing else, you have no details you have no shapes in the mesh and nothing's separated out as it should be

[spiral sigil]

dat was easy

[calm goblet]

and it's a shit map

[spiral sigil]

i make these for fun g i aint tryna be the best 3d artist there is

[calm goblet]

you're not a 3d artist at all if that's all you're doing

clicking "generate" on an app doesn't make you an artist

[azure rain]

and I'm wondering why the heck that tool generate a UV map with two faces in it

and that is also a lot of wasted space

[calm goblet]

you'd honestly be better off using something like daz or iclone

then learning how to reproject the textures so you can get them on a single UV map instead of having 8 tiles for just the body

[languid fog]

can you show a wireframe view of the cloth ?

[languid fog]

ic

[spiral sigil]

wut

[azure rain]

could you take a screenshot just showing the face in wireframe as it's so dense we can't see anything in that screenshot

[spiral sigil]

like this?

[azure rain]

question did you just photogrammetry your head

because that is a bunch of triangles soup that's not going to animate good

[spiral sigil]

i have no idea what that means

[azure rain]

how did you make the head in the first place

[spiral sigil]

https://avatarsdk.com/

[azure rain]

I'm surprised the tool generated topology like that

[spiral sigil]

r u saying the shape keys wont be good?

[spiral sigil]

i also decimated it

[azure rain]

oh dear no wonder it's triangle soup

[azure rain]

oh dear

[spiral sigil]

heres what the normal unedited head looks like

[azure rain]

the heck wow this tool does not generate good avatars

[spiral sigil]

its for covid businesses i think something like that

i just use it for my shitty avatars

[azure rain]

I might suggest trying a different tool next time

[spiral sigil]

i use to use character creator 3

but its not that good imo

[azure rain]

hopefully it doesn't generate Dreadful topology character creator 3

[fast nebula]

curious if anyone here knows much or could teach me about asset/cloth creation. I just watched a couple vids but when i try and play the animation it the cloth crumbles on the base in blender. would anyone be able to run me through sewing and cloth creation pleaseeeeee

[azure rain]

oh dear they're using a gear VR in that screenshot

[vivid crater]

[spiral sigil]

i just use what abyssalgod cyberchimp and lolathon etc use

[azure rain]

not familiar with either of those people

[spiral sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/c/ZeCyberChimp

https://www.youtube.com/c/VRLolathon

https://www.youtube.com/c/AbyssalGod

[spiral sigil]

i think you should choose someone you really like to make a person, and make it a big project to somehow make it more realistic

I think it should be markiplier but yknow its your choice

@spiral sigil

[spiral sigil]

8K textures

discord compression looks shit but

[azure rain]

8K isn't going to help if all it has is a smaller than 8K photo to work with

and does help that Markiplier's eyes don't look like he has a case of pink eye

[calm goblet]

you're seriously confused about why an online free tool that uses a single photo doesn't make a good model?

[spiral sigil]

what puts me off the most is the eyes

so dialated

always

[calm goblet]

low res photos don't give eny info to work from

and these tools aren't meant for quality anyway, they're gimmicks

[quaint jasper]

8K doesn't matter if it looks like a PS2 game, should never go above 4K in general

[spiral sigil]

8k because funny haha

[calm goblet]

even if you're doing a proper photoscan there's a lot of manual work that goes into cleaning it up and refining it, making the textures actually work, then getting it into a form you can use

[spiral sigil]

just retopo a photoscan like a sculpt

ez dub

[calm goblet]

that's part 1 of the cleanup 😛

[spiral sigil]

poop

[calm goblet]

you also need to remove lighting from the skin so it's usable, you need to go in and add fine skin detail/remove glitches, gotta make the hair etc.

[spiral sigil]

anything to make lord markiplier king of fnaf

markiplier is glamrock freddy secretly

thats the lore

[spiral sigil]

cuz i make the eyes i got some "advice" from abyssalgod so

they were probably under the impression you wanted the character to be as uncanny as possible

i make mine just like theirs

[calm goblet]

using that generator? it's gonna be as uncanny as possible no matter what you do

[spiral sigil]

he uses it and no one says anything

[calm goblet]

who?

[spiral sigil]

abyssalgod

and cyberchimp

[calm goblet]

no idea who that is

[spiral sigil]

and lolathon

whats their socccials do they ever post their creations

https://twitter.com/abyssal_god

AbyssalGod (@abyssal_god)

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[calm goblet]

but if they're using that, their models will also look uncanny as hell

[spiral sigil]

Memer/Cursed Avi Maker

https://twitter.com/VRLolathon

Lolathon (@VRLolathon)

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[calm goblet]

intentionally making bad avatars lol

[spiral sigil]

***I make weird 3D models ***

yeah and abyssal does like funny moments vrchat videos so

it makes sense

[calm goblet]

they probably saw the generator and thought "holy crap this thing takes so much work out of making dodgy ass uncanny abominations!"

[spiral sigil]

I think u should try taking serious time to learn how to make actual realistic huumans

[spiral sigil]

im not doing this to become famous and be the best i just do it for fun

if its just for fun then you can do whatever buttt i think u should go some more in depth

just for funnn

[calm goblet]

just don't expect to make anything that looks good unless you're willing to put some effort in

[spiral sigil]

lol

y hab u do dis

[inner quarry]

Hey uhh

anyone willing to rig a model for me

I already have the .obj

hopefully with textures

i haven't unzipped it yet

yea

it's there

but I need someone to rig it

and pop it into VRChat itself

simply because my stinky intel celeron can't hold unity

[quaint jasper]

Try mixamo

[inner quarry]

kk

[young quail]

Guys, hello everyone, I made a 3D motion style fan video for Quest 2 glasses here, please rate it!

• not advertising. I'm really interested to hear the opinion🙋‍♂️

https://www.instagram.com/ne.motion/tv/CXlwCpalzzk/?utm_medium=copy_link

[teal raft]

Can someone let me know if this is possible, and if so, how? I downloaded this .glb and every single piece is separate. I have no problem taking the time to combine all the pieces to my liking, but what's annoying is that all the meshes are sub objects of these... coordinates? Is there a way to ditch the coordinates and leave the raw mesh behind?

[quaint jasper]

ctrl + J all the pieces, you'll be left with a single mesh, then select one empty transform object Shift + G > Type, that should select all the empty objects, feel free to delete those, then you can select your mesh, switch to edit mode, select everything and do P > By Loose Parts

[teal raft]

Thank you!

[quick bough]

Is there any way to up the scale of an avatar in unity without affecting its size in game?

[unkempt anchor]

Start of my a e s t h e t i c quest world

[spiral sigil]

very dark

BUT an opportunity to make a faint point light follow each player!

or hang up spoopy dim lights

[unkempt anchor]

Yeah this is like still super early blockout phase, once i start adding signs and more light sources ill brighten it

this is where you "land" the subway station

you then work your way through the underground metro through some super weird spots and then up into some other areas

etc etc

[spiral sigil]

OHH you were the one who posted the subway station thing earlier

its all coming togetheR

[unkempt anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

[spiral sigil]

wait is this a render or a reference?!?

[unkempt anchor]

reference!

[spiral sigil]

oh ok i was about to be worried for the questies

[unkempt anchor]

i should be able get very close minus the reflections

yeah im a technical artist/environment artist by trade

[spiral sigil]

ive heard reflection probes are good for this but i have literally never done much more than using a directional light for my obscrure worlds so

[unkempt anchor]

so im going to use trim sheets, and a lot of other optimization techniques to keep it very performant

[spiral sigil]

that is very epic

[azure rain]

very nice

[unkempt anchor]

can also keep it very low poly and combined for the most part too

super low batches, as opposed to kitbashing a bunch of assets in engine

[azure rain]

nice

[thin shadow]

do you have any tips on the best practice on how to navigate and pan through closed space in blender? I know in unity you can hold right click on the game scene and use wasd + qe to move around which is very intuitive for navigating through closed spaces.

but in blender, the navigation style feels more orbit-around-the-object-oriented. Quite difficult to navigate through closed space.

[unkempt anchor]

Yeah that’s just how movement is in modeling packages, I’d say just embrace it and get used to it. There should be a focalization hot key like in unity or may (f key) that helps you get to where you want to be and use the navigation to adjust yourself

I take it you want to do this to get better perspective from a player and for that it’s important you use scale reference

I always model in centimeters

And I make several cube references, that are 180cm tall, like an average person

For stairs and rails, etc I always look up proper size references and model to scal

[spiral sigil]

the focus key in Blender is the period ke on my numpad

and if u have num lock on or off it can affect it

idk if it works when its on or off i just toggle num lock till it works

[tropic zenith]

Hello, does anyone here have the same character and different avatars for different clothes and haircuts? Do you use different blender projects? How are your things structured and is there a proper term so I can search it?

[inner quarry]

Can someone help me import a funny boy into vrchat

I would do it myself if intel celeron came with more than 10 gigs

DM me if you could do it 👉 😎 👉

(I do not have money)

[gritty gull]

Not sure if this is the correct channel or not, but I've made a texture for a model in blender, imported both the texture and model to unity, and am now having trouble applying the texture. It just simply won't let me. I'm super super new to blender and unity so please bare with me :')

[spiral sigil]

are the materials greyed out and you cant change any of the settings for them?

[gritty gull]

Yup

[spiral sigil]

usually works but sometimes the entire model errors out

[gritty gull]

wait nevermind i clicked around and figured it out

thanks for trying to help anyway

[spiral sigil]

oh well fancy that

no probem

[gritty gull]

Alright I have another question, was trying to optimize my avatar and now it's saying there's no "Animator" attached to a game object and a script is trying to access it, and my builder tab in the SDK is empty

[spiral sigil]

put an animator component on the gameobject that holds ALL the contents of your avatar

its going to be the same gameobject that would have the Avatar Descriptor on it

asusming you put it on the right thing

[gritty gull]

ahh got it

uploaded it, and nothing works LOL

it is completely immobile, arms and legs dont move, no expressions or mouth movement

[spiral sigil]

did you set its animation type ot humanoid

im guessing not

[gritty gull]

nope :')

[gritty gull]

well that makes sense

lol

i think this is my last question

[spiral sigil]

ok

[gritty gull]

so, im a quest user, and would like to enable the android support

but its disabled

[spiral sigil]

it means u didnt download the android target support module

unity tries to switch to it but u dont have it

do u have unity hub by chance

[gritty gull]

yep

[spiral sigil]

ok so

go to the installs section

find your unity ver 2019.4.31

and click the 3 dots and do add module

and find the android module

[gritty gull]

gotcha

thanks :)

[spiral sigil]

np

[spiral sigil]

making mr bean. textured the suit n stuff looks pretty cool ngl

mr bean is female?

nope

[surreal flame]

That's a pretty bad texture stretch on the shoulder.

[solar fossil]

when in doubt, blur slope

[spiral sigil]

jooooeee BIDEEN

[tropic zenith]

Hello, is it possible to use the move/rotate/scale tools with weight paint? As if there was a bone? I'm trying to make shape keys for mouth movements.

[devout scroll]

You could just create a bone, make the shape keys then remove the bone

That's basically what you're describing

@tropic zenith

[tropic zenith]

To move the bone I'd need to go into pose mode. When I go back to the mesh's edit mode, it snaps back to resting position.

[devout scroll]

Apply the armature modifier as a shape key

Or well, applying will create a shape key with your pose mode changes as the shape key essentially, but will also remove the modifier

so use save modifier as shape key instead which will do the same thing but keep the modifier

https://puu.sh/IyhUg/10a5da3701.png

Your modifiers might look different since I have an addon but there should be a button for it

And also if you click this it will allow you to show your armature modifier (pose mode changes) in edit mode

https://puu.sh/IyhUW/c7ba5632a9.png

[tropic zenith]

That worked, thanks!

[calm goblet]

i didn't know that was even a thing, gonna have to use that in future for simple things like blinking

[devout scroll]

Yeah I've used it once to create lipsync and blinking visemes on some final fantasy character with no blendshapes but with face bones

There's a bunch of modifiers you can apply as shape keys I'm pretty sure

[calm goblet]

fair enough, for anything like lipsynch i think i'll still prefer to just do it in zbrush

unless the model already comes with a really good facial rig that allows for all the nice subtleties of facial movements to be captured

but for blinking, eyebrows, that kind of thing, bones would get it done nice and fast

[median pike]

You can use proportional editing

[devout scroll]

Bones are better than proportional because they're non destructive

Technically neither are shape keys but you don't want to have to start over if you messed up and can't undo

But you would need to split a bunch in order to avoid it grabbing what you don't need

[devout scroll]

lol no, it was just a bunch of bones for the face and a few for the lips and jaw

but my friend who asked me to do it for him didn't need it to be particularly realistic

I ended up making the 3 blendshapes that cats can use to generate the rest

But I made those as close as possible to reference mouth shapes so it looked pretty decent in the end

Making them all would have taken quite a long time

Still, it was a good learning experience

[calm goblet]

yeah useful to know about

not sure i'd ever trust cats with my mesh though

[devout scroll]

fair, but generally things that aren't "fix model" or the atlasser are pretty safe

[spiral sigil]

How would I go about making it so that one of these lamps is all of them at the same time, so id only have to mark seems and unwrap one, instead of every single one of these 17 times

yknow what nevermind ill just do it first before I distribute the hangs

[languid fog]

Put all on the same spot

In the uv map

[devout scroll]

stack them on top of each other

then optionally move all except one by 1 uv space to the right or up

those uv look like they might need a few more seams tho

[calm goblet]

i just don't trust it to get things right when it's gonna be approximating visemes based on what polygons were moved for other visemes

[devout scroll]

Yeah it just blends

[spiral sigil]

of course i wasnt going to leave it all in whatever the hell it was then lol

[spiral sigil]

Does anyone here know of anyone who tried/had 3d sculpted their own body? curious

[pallid pasture]

So, I'm trying to put on the finishing touches for my model yeah? Yet the issue is I'm running into a problem where the material ends up like the black blob in the picture. When in reality...

It's meant to look like this...

[azure rain]

did you set your material to use transparency

[pallid pasture]

Not 100% sure how to check..

[azure rain]

could you take a screenshot of your material settings

https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/StandardShaderMaterialParameters.html

https://docs.unity3d.com/uploads/Main/StandardShaderNewEmptyMaterial.png

[pallid pasture]

Yeah. Also juuust found out

It's not the glove/cuff

But rather the skin....

[azure rain]

basically you need to change the rendering mode setting at the top of the material to one of the transparent settings

[pallid pasture]

Yeah, turns out the issue arrives with the arm itself rather than the glove...

[azure rain]

then I suppose check the arm material?

[pallid pasture]

Arm material is fine

Issue is the sleeve part here of the glove, is somehow meshed with the arm material

But deleting that removes the cuff of the lower half, and the rolled up sleeve portion...Yay...

[azure rain]

then I suppose set the arm material transparent?

[pallid pasture]

Oh...

Wait

<-<

I had Albedo and Specular fucked up

Skin texture issue, but that's easy to solve.

Just rub out the tattoo bit on the skin texture and boom. Problem solved

[azure rain]

cool

[surreal flame]

Why do you have a separate transparent (=Quest incompatible) mesh for the tattoo if it is literally surface paint?

[azure rain]

yeah that is a good question as you could apply it to the arm texture and use less vram

[quaint jasper]

Isn't that super ugly to stack two different tattoos on top of each other though ?

[pallid pasture]

True. May just clip the tattoo bit and just use the stuff I got on the skin material

Makes it look more natural as well as it blends on the chest/legs/neck area

(Now I get to learn how to separate the thing! YAY)

[spiral sigil]

layers layers layers

[pallid pasture]

Looks way better

[spiral sigil]

agree

[pallid pasture]

Too so many attempts to get the outfit to cooperate with everything XD

[spiral sigil]

khaby lame

thats the most accurate face yet

i found a different way of doing pupils

[quaint jasper]

Still not how eyes look

[spiral sigil]

close enough

[quaint jasper]

For the most important part of someone's face, i'd say not really but ultimately up to you

[wicked iris]

easily, the most fuck you process in Blender

baked the texture

[spiral sigil]

sheesh you really used all the space you could get

[wicked iris]

yep

got to use all of it somehow

[azure rain]

very efficient UV layout

[wicked iris]

Now I have REDO the baking again

So i have to give it anti-aliasing using a stone age technique

Why tf does Blender have to be like this in it's default feature

What I'm doing is baking it as an 8K texture, then scale it down so the downscaling gives it the Poor Man's AA look

[spiral sigil]

are you talking about getting screwed over by mipmapping because you dont have color outside your seems

[wicked iris]

No, the black parts are the unused areas

[spiral sigil]

yea but doesnt the black bleed over onto the color its ajacent to when mipmapping does its thing

something something like that

[wicked iris]

Baking with Cycles doesn't give texture any AA

[spiral sigil]

oh nveermind iread wrong

[quaint jasper]

Make sure you give yourself enough padding for mipmaps

[wicked iris]

yep

[spiral sigil]

how do these stitches look?

[wicked iris]

there's some space outside the UVs

so potential for mipmaps not looking like garbage

I went through mental hell doing this

[quaint jasper]

might wanna increase it slightly more just for safety

[wicked iris]

yep, checked it at 128-256 res, will be painting the background on these parts to prevent these lines

[spiral sigil]

Sooo just realised you can texture paint with a gradient that acts like a color ramp node

kinda epic

[copper flax]

just curious if anyone's found a tutorial for blender stuff for vrchat that's up to date for version 2.92 of blender?

[spiral sigil]

Wym blender stuff for vrchat

if you are new to avatar/world/content creation you should really learn the fundamentals of blender via tutorials for random things before getting into avatars or worlds

if u go straight into avatars your going to frustrate yourself because you won't understand and will have a hard time learning without knowing other fundamentals prior

[copper flax]

i remember following the tupper tutorial for setting the stuff up a while back and that got me on the right track, but it seems like blender's changed since then

[spiral sigil]

yea its alot nicer now

all the buttons are there but whwre they are may of changed

[copper flax]

i was able to make a few avatars back in an older version of blender so it's just a matter of finding where everything is again

[spiral sigil]

just follow some beginner blender tutorial, i bet there is one specifically for people used to old blender to learn new blender

youtube has alot of videos who knows

obviously you know the stuff already but going through the basic stuff in new blender will show u where the stuff is

[copper flax]

i'm actually looking for only a few specific things actually lmao, where do you find the shapekeys and materials in this new version of blender?

[wicked iris]

quick question, VRC supports detail maps, correct? (plssayyes x10)

[azure rain]

yes

[wicked iris]

thank goodness

[calm goblet]

detail maps? you mean normal maps?

[azure rain]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/StandardShaderMaterialParameterDetail.html

[calm goblet]

weird way of doing it

i just put the pores in the main normal map

why bother having a whole extra set of images when you could put everything into your first texture set?

[azure rain]

this method let's use lower-resolution maps

[calm goblet]

but more of them

[azure rain]

yes but that's less vram overall

[wicked iris]

it's a way making blurry textures look bearable to look at up close

[calm goblet]

if you're repeating the same detail over the whole thing though you're not gonna have as good a look as if you just used 2k instead of 1k, or 4k instead of 2k

i doubt anyone that isn't on quest is gonna be screwed over by using higher res textures, considering they're way more screwed by multiple materials

[azure rain]

looks like it honestly might be more handy for environment art where it would be a waste to like use high-res textures when you only need them when you're sticking your nose at it

like I've heard it used quite a bit on like tiling wall textures & like rocks

[calm goblet]

that's what LODs are for

[azure rain]

okay but why would you want like a 4K Rock texture when you could get the same look with like a 2K and a detailed map?

[calm goblet]

cause you can't

tiling details will never look as good

and if the rock is important enough that you're gonna get that close, why wouldn't you just make it really nice in the first place?

[quaint jasper]

Detail maps are for micro details

Which are usually tiled

[calm goblet]

depends how good you actually want it to look

[azure rain]

games have the texture memory budget to worry about so if that can shave a bunch off developers would use it

[azure rain]

there are some map that are Quest compatible that outright crash the quest-1 from running out of RAM so yeah it's quite possible for there to be too much textures for the quest

[calm goblet]

you're replying to me saying andyone that isn't on quest is unlikely to have vram issues by saying that old quest models can have vram issues 😛

[quaint jasper]

But yeah basically this is wrong because that's not what detail map is for, Miner's use of it will definitely look good

[wicked iris]

^

[wicked iris]

[devout scroll]

I feel like detail textures and normals are a good idea when doing stuff like skin and other things with fairly low detail

Having a huge texture for some gradients and blurry shadows or whatever skin shading usually looks like isn't practical if you expect the normals will be detailed when you get point blank to your mesh in vr

[quaint jasper]

I abuse detail normals in my worlds now, it's like a superpower

[calm goblet]

skin is one place detail maps doesn't make sense for, cause the type of pores you have on your nose are different to your forehead, different to your chin, cheeks, neck, hands etc.

either embrace the toon look and keep it smooth, or get in there with some alphas and make a proper normal map

[steady zealot]

Detail maps are actually OP. They add a lot of nice close-up detail but while being relatively low res themselves.

Love them

For clothes and stuff mostly

[calm goblet]

that's one area where detail maps would shine, fabric texture

as long as you could get it to actually follow the flow of the cloth

[steady zealot]

Just gotta make sure those UVs are good

[calm goblet]

gotta make sure it projects properly as well

[steady zealot]

Of course yeah

[calm goblet]

some things just don't project that well

and you can't always make your UVs completely square and lined up, cause that just begs for stretching

[quaint jasper]

https://fxtwitter.com/Ruuubick_/status/1474653382786883584

[devout scroll]

that's cool as heck

[quaint jasper]

[hushed acorn]

Well done. I couldn't tell if that was really good 2D or really good 3D.

[wicked iris]

Thank you ❤️
Just one step closer to bringing it into VRC

[spiral sigil]

OMG HOW do u people texture paint stuff this good you fricking wizards

[quaint jasper]

No texture painting, just substance generators and a couple stencils

[spiral sigil]

WHAT

[quaint jasper]

I wish I could texture paint lmao, but substance is dogshit for that

[spiral sigil]

i thought it was meant for that i am confusion

[quaint jasper]

That's how they get you

[spiral sigil]

although when i tried it i didnt really get used to it the only good stuff was the procedural materials

they failed lol

[quaint jasper]

Yeah having to bring your textures to a proper image editing software to use a blur brush is mind-blowing

[spiral sigil]

blender blur brush SUCKS and is so slow

literallt everywhere else its so good and fsst

[quaint jasper]

At least it has one lol

[spiral sigil]

i supposeeee

i really want to make a smol candle in a little itty bitty bowl with that color scheme now

[quaint jasper]

I'll probably make another model tomorrow, should be easier to model but harder to texture

[spiral sigil]

but it will look PRETTYIER

its worth it

ok bye merry christmas

[languid fog]

The hardest part for me is the texture one ;-:

[devout scroll]

Blender texture paint sucks in general

But there's one thing you can do in blender that's not too bad

As long as you don't need layers

[spiral sigil]

whats the one thing you can do in blender

stencils is what you mean?

[devout scroll]

https://puu.sh/IyrXe/280df90290.png

Just essentially take a screenshot of your viewport

Then open it in an image editor like photoshop

Make your changes and project then back onto your texture in blender

[spiral sigil]

why would you edit a screenshot of your viewport

[devout scroll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqnF3LCm-cA

blender texture painting sucks

[spiral sigil]

what do i texture paint in thENnnn

aah

[devout scroll]

it's not great if you're doing pbr and need normals and other maps

but for purely diffuse it's nice

[spiral sigil]

what the

thats more wizardry

[devout scroll]

not the best way to do it given the resolution but it's nice for little details here and there

https://puu.sh/Iys8H/07e0aad66a.mp4

i guess for terrain making a node setup that projects a texture based on vertex color would be nicer, then bake it to a texture

that is if you're not using substance painter

photoshop is just a lot more versatile

[spiral sigil]

well damn i didnt realise clone tool is good for that

[devout scroll]

as long as the hardness is low you can blend pretty decently

but maybe a rock texture wasn't a good example

[wicked iris]

render, nothing else

[languid fog]

It is sucks but some ppl do amazing stuff with it

Like Shonzo

[azure rain]

very nice looking Miner out of curiosity the triangle count

[surreal flame]

That realistic rugged armor looks vs. the super smooth stylized anime face bothers me a bit.

[devout scroll]

It's just very limited, with no layer support or material painting

You can do perfectly fine with it it just takes longer

I'm just waiting for them to improve it so I don't have to use substance

[calm goblet]

if you want a great texture painting tool, 3d coat is the way to go

they have a texturing only version called textura that's cheaper

but personally i'd recommend full 3d coat cause that'll do all your sculpting, retopo, UVs, and texturing way better than blender ever will

[spiral sigil]

i havent tried the trial period since you last mentioned it so ill have to download it today

[calm goblet]

it's an unlimited trial, just no exports

[spiral sigil]

ACTAULLY

thats a pretty epic way to do it

[devout scroll]

Kinda expensive

Textura itself is reasonable

But the full one is pretty expensive

[calm goblet]

cheap as shit considering the only way to get beter tools is to buy rizom, marmoset, topogun, and zbrush

[devout scroll]

Yeah but as hobbyists might be too much

[spiral sigil]

who says im staying a hobbyist

[calm goblet]

for a serious hobbyist it's not expensive at all

[devout scroll]

Well if you wanna get serious and can afford it, sure

[calm goblet]

i spent more on my first guitar, spent more on my first guqin, spent more on weights

and neither the wieghts nor guqin will ever make me money lmao

[devout scroll]

Well I could afford it now but a year or two ago would have been too much and I'd consider pirating

But I'd rather use open source than pirate

Just nothing is good enough yet

[calm goblet]

there's a problem with open source, blender is the best open source 3d tool

and blender sucks in a lot of ways

it's also great in a lot of ways

but it really does suck in a lot of ways lol

[devout scroll]

Blender is great compared to other open source software

[spiral sigil]

cant i just free trial spoof until i can afford expensive stuff

[devout scroll]

In other fields

[calm goblet]

that's called piracy 😛

[wicked iris]

currently around 64k

[devout scroll]

Image editors are pretty much all kinda bad

[spiral sigil]

frick

[wicked iris]

will go lower

[devout scroll]

Gimp is ok, paint.net is ok, krita is fine

[calm goblet]

64k and mostly in the hair and gun i'd guess?

[devout scroll]

But photoshop is just better

[spiral sigil]

in ur mom

[calm goblet]

clip studio 😛

[azure rain]

maybe time for a wire frame

[calm goblet]

i'd love to see someone make a 3d painting plugin for clip actually

[devout scroll]

Yeah my brother likes clip studio, never tried it myself

[calm goblet]

CSP brush engine for painting 3d models....

[devout scroll]

I like Photoshop because it's general purpose but i hate adobe

[calm goblet]

clip has a lot of the techy tools you get in PS

[devout scroll]

I tried krita for painting but I'm not good enough at it to really comment on it

[calm goblet]

not all of them though

krita is decent but it gets laggy as balls as soon as you try to make an expressive brush

[wicked iris]

since I now baked the textures, I will be dissolving a lot of the linework

[calm goblet]

you start layering things up to make a nice natural feeling brush in krita and it chugs

[wicked iris]

The gun i'm holding will be remade, as that's a placeholder

[devout scroll]

krita has a cute mascot uwu

[calm goblet]

you could retopo that down much much lower, no need for any of the panel lines to be geo if you use a normal map

[devout scroll]

I'll probably pick up csp soon

[calm goblet]

wait for a sale, they run them often and it's always 50% off lol

[devout scroll]

yeah that's when my brother got his as well

[wicked iris]

yep, next time i'm up, will check out that

[calm goblet]

i bought it 4 days before a sale lol

[devout scroll]

[calm goblet]

it's still well worth the money

was just a bit annoying that 4 days after i bought it a sale came up

[devout scroll]

How is the license

Can you run it on multiple pcs

[calm goblet]

i have it installed on my surface and my PC

never tried running it on both at once cause why would i be painting on 2 machines at once?

[devout scroll]

Yeah that's fine

Some licenses are one machine only, some are one machine at a time

[calm goblet]

yeah pretty sure clip is one at a time

[tight merlin]

How much it cost for anyone to make me a avatar

[azure rain]

a lot of money

[tight merlin]

Im just saying what is the price

[clear geyser]

Varies from person to person

[bold urchin]

Huge variance.
Depends on what you're asking for.
Can go from $50 to $5000 easily.

[tight merlin]

Im trying to make my avatar look like me

Im guessing it's 500

[bold urchin]

I recommend checking out commission sheets first and see the information artists asks for and what skills they'll apply to figure out what you want done.

[tight merlin]

Thanks for your help guys

[azure rain]

and if you want an avatar that looks kind of like you on the cheap https://readyplayer.me/vrchat

[tight merlin]

Thanks bro

[azure rain]

it also lets you download a fbx file of the Avatar if you want to do modifications to it later

[hushed acorn]

One thing you can do is learn to do basic avatar ports of models you like and do basic retextures and model edits

That's how I learned and still am.

If you want help learning, DM me. But keep in mind I'm also learning some.

[languid fog]

Thats a good way to start with 3d, editing stuff

[spiral sigil]

bruh 3dcoat makes me have to rebind my keys by hitting the end key over the gizmo

problem is my end key AINT working wih num lock on and off, its like split hetween the home key its in one key

nevermind i got it to sense my home key but it isnt registering my mouse when I click it for a hotkey

omg its so iffy when i paint on the edges this is hell for low low poly

[calm goblet]

no it isn't lol

are you vertex painting or per pixel painting?

[spiral sigil]

the brush tries to face the opposite way of the face its under which makes sense but its annoying on brush with low radius

i thought i was pixel painting

does me making the height 0% affect anything

[calm goblet]

no it just removes height from the paint channels

[tight merlin]

Thanks dog

[spiral sigil]

How do fix? Plz help lol

[bold urchin]

So your normals (backfaces) are flipped on those weird sections, you can solve this by recalculating normals in blender and putting the model back in, or using a shader that has a setting that lets you not cull the backfaces

[spiral sigil]

How does one recalculate normals?

wAIT

Thanks a ton

Figured it out

[spiral sigil]

i tried to do a cool weird render of vanny.

[copper flax]

so I'm attempting to add custom clothes to my model in blender using the proportional editing tool, however it seems like when I try to scroll to decrease the effective range of the movement, I just zoom in instead, is there something else I should be doing?

[bold urchin]

You need to activate any type of transform like a rotate (R), translate (G) or scale (S)
Hit any of the hotkeys I put in parenthesis

[copper flax]

ahh, that makes sense, it works now, thanks!

[tardy elm]

I'm looking to make things easier on myself. I'm working on things for VRC and a personal project, and I'm looking for a way to turn 20 material slots into 1. I'm having problems finding the tools to do this. I know the texture quality will suffer as a result, but if anyone knows of a blender plugin that combines materials, and creates texture atlases, @ me or DM me. I've been looking to speed up the process of making worlds for a game, and for VRC potentially if I ever work up the courage to do it again. There's a link in CATS to a page that supposedly has this tool, but it leads to a dead site.

[azure rain]

https://github.com/Grim-es/material-combiner-addon

[copper flax]

it also seems like the when i import clothes for a base, it seems like when I try to position the clothes on the model, it moves the base even though I don't have the base selected, how do I move the clothes without moving the base properly?

[tardy elm]

Oh! I saw this, and wasn't sure if it was legit. I count this as confirmation that it's the real deal. Thanks 😄

[azure rain]

if a prerequisite to have that installed for cats to do the material combining

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVw4v9P1-mM

[spiral sigil]

wait is the material combining the atlas maker thing?

[tardy elm]

Yeah, I need it for avatars, and for a game I'm working on.

I want it to pretty much be able to run on any system from 2010 onward.

[spiral sigil]

gl on that

[tardy elm]

It will look like a PS1 game intentionally.

So, more software rendering than OpenGL.

OH!

Not OpenGL, Good Luck! 🤣

https://tenor.com/view/no-brain-loading-slow-gif-16361840

[spiral sigil]

this isnt cursed at all

[tardy elm]

Add a bit of emotion to the sourpuss rabbit.

[spiral sigil]

u do realize thats a girl in a suit right? from fnaf security breach. its a like a fursuit head im tryna make it look natural talking for whatever reason

theres the original thing

[tardy elm]

Yeah, I know. They did the same thing to the Pyro from TF2.

[spiral sigil]

all i really did was make her thicc

i got bored dont ask

[tardy elm]

Nothing wrong with that. Trust me, I made all my avatars even further beyond thicc.

[spiral sigil]

like this? but thiccer?

[tardy elm]

• belly and the rest of the body. Sumo body.

[spiral sigil]

photo for uh. research?

jk

[tardy elm]

I won't post here, last time I did, there was an outbreak of hell trolls.

[spiral sigil]

o no

[bold urchin]

The Bake tool in CATS is very powerful

But UVPackmaster is also an incredible asset as well. https://uvpackmaster.com/uvpackmaster-for-blender/

[tardy elm]

I may check that out later. I want to test one plugin at a time.

[spiral sigil]

i still dont know what baking is

rip

depends on what kinda baking

[tardy elm]

Mashing all materials into one material with an atlas.

[spiral sigil]

light map baking or normal/reflection/glossy/diffuse baking

atlasing is considering baking now?

interesting

CATS can do it quick but ive had problems with it just straight up not working or breaking materials or leave too much empty space on atlas

manual atlasing is the best way since you can manage it yourself and cram stuff yourself if you are willing to learn it

[tardy elm]

I'm not sure how to do it. Do I make all the materials, then move the textures onto an atlas in an image editor, then take each UV map, and throw it onto the atlas somewhere? I'm not sure how to do it honestly.

[spiral sigil]

what the hell does that sentence mean?

[spiral sigil]

you gor the right idea yea, youd atlas a bunch of textures via photoshop. put it back in Blender and then transform the UV mapping to fit the new atlas

there is a little bit of math to do but its just ratios for scaling

so like say

[tardy elm]

Oh... Why am I now scared?

[spiral sigil]

you have x4 1024 textures you want to atlas

you put them in photoshop and make 1 atlas thats 2048x2048 now

give me a moment i always forget whoch way to divide

[bold urchin]

I personally let CATS start for me, export out the texture and uv mapping - then pare down the result in an image editing program, move pieces better and remove all excess, readjust the UVs to fit after back in Blender now that it's smaller with less waste.

[spiral sigil]

OOAY BACK

so because the new resolution is 2048, you would divide 1024/2048 and you would get .5 and thats how much you scale your UV half on X and half on Y

it sounds complicated but it becomes easy to do quick once u actually understand

if you atlased x2 1024 textures ONTO A 2048x1024 then you would need to only scale the UVs of each by .5 on the X axis not Y

you wouldnt on the Y because the Height stays the same

for that one person that cares about the stuff i make. i will start upload my avis now. cuz i finally got fullbody tracking

swag pog

[spiral sigil]

so basically. i redrawed all the skin on the face for an avatar i prob wont even upload

[shut mountain]

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/hexagon-wall-decoration-no-texture-sadly-d220ac4634484bee851d5bdc9c8b9226 i made a hexagon wall decoration for vrchat worlds, you can download it for free on sketchfab. The only problem is that the shader and texture for it are in progress.

[frank vine]

Can someone PLEASE walk me through HOW to properly merge this jacket with my avatar ? i did a data transfer and a bunch of other things.. but i keep failing.. the biggest thing is that i cant get the jacket sleeves to STAY aligned with her arms. when i fix model it resets the jacket placement OR makes the sleeves go into her chest.

the jacket has an armature as well.. i tried merging that. didnt make a difference. i deleted the jacket armature and merged with body.. also didnt work

[bold urchin]

Ah yes, the Cyberpunk rigs

[frank vine]

??? this is a jacket made from scratch ... its not ripped from the game

[vale prism]

you need to rig it

aka weight paint it

[frank vine]

it has an armature ... and i DID transfer weightpaint over via data transfer

still not working

[bold urchin]

That's fine lol, it's still the similar design.

I'm just gonna guess your bone names (vertex groups) are not named the same so your weights aren't merging to the same bone.

[vale prism]

bones must be named different, it you modeled them shouldnt be too hard to redo

[frank vine]

no im working with prefabs

[frank vine]

interesting.. care to tell me more about how to fix that?

like what do you mean exactly?

[bold urchin]

If you want Merge Armatures to work, your bones need to be named the same so that the left arm parts move with left arm parts.
As you can see here, my left arms are named differently and won't merge the bones together when I try to combine them.

The reason why people religiously hit Fix Model is because it automates a lot of the process of renaming bones to be closer to Unity standard rigs.

Completely stripped down example, take as demonstration - not practice

[frank vine]

ahhh i gotcha.. ill work on that, thanks

[bold urchin]

And the reason your jacket is returning to place despite moving it is probably because you're posing the model, but not applying your new pose as the default.
So hit Apply Rest Pose.

Again - assuming you're using pose mode.

[frank vine]

i did actually

i hate blender

[bold urchin]

Neat, apply your transformations as well too

[frank vine]

??

[glossy totem]

I've got an issue in Blender when texture painting, I have to click and drag to paint, I can't just click and paint a single dot.

I can't figure out how or why this happens, has anyone else ran into something like this?

[quaint jasper]

Make sure you don't have stabilize stroke enabled

[glossy totem]

It's off, first thing I checked

[quaint jasper]

Did you mess with other settings ?

I think falloff can do that too sometimes

[glossy totem]

Fall off is just the shape/size of the brush, doesn't change anything switching between different profiles either

[bold urchin]

Press E to change the method of drawing your strokes in UV paint mode.

Space is the normal one we use, you currently have Line enabled.

[glossy totem]

Mine's already on space

Doesn't matter what stroke I use, it's just wonky for me

[bold urchin]

Any strength or pressure settings enabled?

[glossy totem]

Pen pressure settings don't change much either, and it's the same with a mouse and pen tablet

[spiral sigil]

is 3d modelling like say clothes hard?

[clear silo]

Depends on how complicated the clothes are. The only hard part in my opinion is rigging and weight painting clothes

[spiral sigil]

something like doc ocks coat

ive never 3d modelled anything and im trying to start with clothes and im just asking if its hard

[clear silo]

I think that wouldn’t be too bad! It’s just weight painting and adding bones and such to the cloak would be tricky. Also, clothes aren’t the easiest things to start with modeling in blender and such.

[spiral sigil]

what should i start with?

[clear silo]

I’d say just start with simple character models

[spiral sigil]

should i start with sculting? or what

[clear silo]

You should always start with modeling, then sculpting to make it look nice 👍🏻

[spiral sigil]

mk thanks 👍🏻

[clear silo]

No problem :3

[dense swift]

Never been much for art, or modeling or design, never really touched any of it, but now this game has me wanting to make my own avatar and I dont even know where to start, im on the quest 2, and am wondering where to start and if my idea is even possible

[spiral sigil]

i got bored. and made this weird thing of snotty boy in like 15-25 minutes

getting there

sorta

[dense swift]

I'm wanting to make an avatar with some draconic features and wings that floats slightly off the ground at all times

[tight remnant]

how do i fix colors n shit

[spiral sigil]

my 2nd from scratch 3d model lookin good ngl.

[quaint jasper]

Normals are inverted, head is missing its texture

[quaint jasper]

I wouldn't say good but it's definitely a start

[azure rain]

and it's somewhat recognizable as the character so definitely a start

[spiral sigil]

made a mouth interior and added some teeth

[spiral sigil]

i guess im tryna aim for realism in a cartoon model. when im done with this i gotta make the body from scratch. that will be tricky

again. for my 2nd 3d model from scratch i did pretty good

[spiral sigil]

made some bad lips

[devout scroll]

good start is always some YouTube tutorials

[still wadi]

@spiral sigil looks like shit, keep up good work

[stoic spoke]

i just want to appreciate the people who make these avatars such an amazing talent

[spiral sigil]

In Blender how would I make my view look at a specific face I select in a perfect orthographic way if that makes sense

similar to how i would be looking at a Plane i instanced into blender and went into Ortho mode and looked in top-down view

i know how to enable orthographic mode just not the locking the view perfectly onto a face

i cant describe this right and because of that google isnt helping me much

[vivid crater]

i believe align view to face is like shift + numpad 7

you wanted something like that?

[spiral sigil]

YES

it works thank you

[spiral sigil]

MURDER muahahahaa

some of my divots are more curvy than id like because in real life they would have rigid edges

[spiral sigil]

weird wip syndrome model thing

its better than my organic sculpting ill give you that much

[devout scroll]

look at some sculpting tutorials, there's a bunch of things you might want to know about dyntopo and stuff

sculpting with lots of detail or variable details

since some of your mesh looks less and more detailed

[spiral sigil]

dynamic topo is op

and maybe you should learn how to sculpt other things besides human stuff first

or at least like arms and limbs because its alot less complex than a face

by the time you master those you will have a much better sense of sculpting so your trial and error working on hard organic shapes like a face will take you less time

if u see what i mean

[spiral sigil]

anyone know what i could improve lighting wise for the renders

[devout scroll]

more point lights

lookup a lighting tutorial

there's standard light setups

[spiral sigil]

ok thanks

[short zephyr]

https://siccagronkonko.gumroad.com/l/sdlsf

[spiral sigil]

interesting concept

I never thought id see that

[calm goblet]

dyntopo is shit

voxel remesh gives you much more control

there's only 2 reasons to use dyntopo, you just wanna do a really quick rough sketch and have no idea what you're making, or you wanna do some fine engraving on a couple areas

[devout scroll]

yeah i'm not sure when to use it myself

sometimes i use it then remesh

but i've mostly been sculpting rocks

[calm goblet]

the 2 times it's useful are the ones i just listed lol

but for the main suclpt it lags way too fast and doesn't give you as much control over your surface

[spiral sigil]

oh yeah i forgot you can use voxel

[spiral sigil]

im going to lose my mind Occlude isnt functioning again

literally trying to save polygons here and it just paints straight through the plane with specially cut out holes I put in front/top of it

with the plane joined to the mesh im trying to paint on and not joined, with bacefaces facing me and facing against me

i even gave the plane its own material with an image texture i just made for it and it still doesnt work

the plane has thickness too its not just a plane anymore its a rectange with specially cut holes

I think I realise why i keep getting this problem

its because im masking to texture paint on specific faces, and I guess Occlude ignores the faces that are "masked"

fricking heck this should be in documentation

now it works

[spiral sigil]

yeah i just decided to restart, nose isnt the best rn. but we gettin there hopefully

[copper flax]

just curious, but where's the model importing options in cats? the options like mesh, armature, physics, operator presets, etc aren't showing up on my screen

[devout scroll]

those are export options i think

[devout scroll]

Pretty happy that I got baking down

Going from a few textures to an atlas takes a few minutes

Baking emission for an alpha mask

Using uvpackmaster to pack but not entirely satisfied with how it packs

Sometimes you can get a prettier pack and leave a bit of space for whatever little details you might need later

Also just noticed

https://puu.sh/Iz2jd/1927834228.png

Glad that's dead for me now lmao

[spiral sigil]

that is some really nice unpacking

jealous of the texturing tho >:[

[devout scroll]

obviously not textured by me

[spiral sigil]

oh no?

rip

[devout scroll]

just atlassed an existing outfit

[spiral sigil]

ohh

[devout scroll]

went from 4 textures to one atlas

[spiral sigil]

btw why are you feeding uv nodes into the img texture vectors

isnt they using the most recent uvs anyway like the new uv packed one

[devout scroll]

for baking

the bake uv is a uv with all the uvs in one unpack

and i'm baking from that to a new texture using the new uv

[spiral sigil]

okay that makes sense thank you

anyone smarter than me, I need your guidance

[devout scroll]

old uv is 4 materials so 4 different things overlapping

https://puu.sh/Iz2zr/6056256642.png

new uv is as you see

https://puu.sh/Iz2zI/3cf46b7056.png

[spiral sigil]

maybe I need to get UVpackmaster

[devout scroll]

i packed it manually but yeah you can

[spiral sigil]

oh nvm then

[devout scroll]

i mean I packed with uvpackamster first but then i changed it

[spiral sigil]

you can simply bake them in blender though

[devout scroll]

it did normalize the islands for me

[spiral sigil]

aaa

[devout scroll]

you can normalize manually with TexTools

[spiral sigil]

what does normalize mean

in this sense

make the image not get stretched

wouldnt apply scale fix that

eh... yeah but not really

it really depends on the model

ig sometimes the islands you want small are actually big on the model or vice versa?

something like that

uh?

nevermind its the morning

[devout scroll]

yes, get even texel density

[spiral sigil]

oh geez more words

google

[devout scroll]

since some textures might be for small details and if you would just pack you would get your small details to take a lot of space on the texture

texel density just means how much space it takes on the texture

a texel is a texture unit, kinda like a pixel is a image unit

except uvs aren't calculated in pixels because they're relative

[azure rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-mIY87314g

[spiral sigil]

might be getting it

i watch now

is it not common sense to pack your UVs to fill the maxiumum amount of space and have the more detailed bigger elements take more space than simple small ones?

bro obv im@not gonnna unpack one leg take half the UV space and make the next one like super smol or somethin

[devout scroll]

you want them to be have consistent density so that one thing isn't blurrier than the other

[spiral sigil]

yea

[devout scroll]

but it's not a rule of thumb, sometimes you want to give something more resolution

so you make it take more space

for example if you have a backface on something that's probably not gonna be seen much

you can make it smaller

[azure rain]

if you're map maker it's a lot more important to actively think about Texel density outside of just making sure everything is scaled proportionately to each other in one texture

[spiral sigil]

ive been thinking about it in pixels lol

[devout scroll]

oh yeah texel density is usually important for your scene as a whole so things are similarly detailed

[spiral sigil]

if it's something you can get really up and personal with, you'll want it to have as many pixels as possible, and therefore be as big in the texture map as it can

[devout scroll]

it's not about the texture map, it's about how much of that texture what takes

[azure rain]

texel are functionally pixels there just a different term to distinguish between the textures pixels & the pixels that make up the final image on your screen

[spiral sigil]

what happens to texels if your texture isnt a power of 2 tho or a square

do they stay square shape or warp

[azure rain]

not quite sure off the top of my head but it's recommended to be a power of 2 because the graphics card likes that better but the power of two can also be a rectangle

512 x 1024 is a fine and dandy texture resolution

[spiral sigil]

if im making a texture for a sword I usually make it disproportionately more height than width for example

is that bad for performance even if the w and length are powers of 2

like a 1024x4096

[azure rain]

yes that should be fine

[spiral sigil]

okay good

[azure rain]

https://www.artstation.com/marketplace/p/nVn7/texel-density-and-other-bits-of-texture-theory a free 90 page PDF that goes into more detail into Texel Density

[spiral sigil]

oh fun theroy ill stash it

but for now i need to brute force learn how to make epic swords!! I will get it one day

[azure rain]

hope your sword goes okay and that's definitely a object where you would probably want even scaling on everything as you're going to be rotating it around constantly so you would see all of the sides pretty often

[spiral sigil]

yee i plan to make both sides identical so I just snap the UVs onto each other

[azure rain]

cool

[spiral sigil]

So fricking hard to texture im trying to mess around with procedural textures and make my own scratched metal but holy hell its hard

[azure rain]

and definitely would recommend the pdf later if you get around to making a vrcmap

[spiral sigil]

ive made a few but i didnt really keep that in mind much then heh

[azure rain]

https://i.gyazo.com/353df9c29d2523d7dbe441219bde02aa.jpg example of something where Texel density isn't paid much attention to

[spiral sigil]

oh geez my eyes

i wouldnt ever let thst happen now

looks like the LOD didnt realise your close to it