3d-modeling

[frank vine]

from what i can tell .. its JUST that one eye, and i already fixed another issue, it was a MESS in there.. the creator just slapped this thing together i swear x.x

the back was worse...

[obsidian nova]

Yeah, no, this is like, horribly optimized as well. You have like 20 meshes & god knows how many materials. I’m not here to shame you though. We all start out making Avis like that. lol

[frank vine]

this is a custom i had made that im altering lol

[obsidian nova]

That’s rough. Who did the commission?

I wouldn’t work with them again.

[frank vine]

uuuh dang, im half asleep right now and it was months ago.. cant remember right now..

[obsidian nova]

No stress

Click on this (while in edit mode).

You should see your shape keys. To fix the eye, you’re going to have to edit them.

[frank vine]

kinda? is that the issue you think? i kept loosing my visemes and eye tracking ALOT in blender working on her.. i think it was mostly from using the "fix model" button.
.
So i click on the eye then edit mode?

[obsidian nova]

No, I mean yes. In edit mode, click on the little triangle button (photo above), and then go to your shape keys. Visemes (and mouth tracking) are stored as shape keys.

Click on the different shape keys in that panel (find all of the messed up ones).

Btw, the all-black emote thing is just a blender problem. It should fix itself if you’re using a shader with transparencies in Unity.

Blender is just weird & it doesn’t like transparencies.

[frank vine]

Nope that screenshot was from in game.. its because i made the "whites" of her eyes black and the material is linked to the emotes..

[obsidian nova]

Ah

Makes sense

Any luck?

[frank vine]

how do i KNOW which ones are messed up though? i can only see the scuff while testing in game 😦

[obsidian nova]

You can see the scuff in blender too. You just need to have the eye selected in edit mode (sorry, you were right).

I just didn’t understand what you were saying. lol

So yeah, select the eye, tab into edit mode, and then click on another shapekey. You should see the mesh preview that shape key.

[frank vine]

oooh okay lol gotcha

[obsidian nova]

Do you have any visemes that change the eyeball?

Like, swap it out for another mesh or make it small…anything like that?

[frank vine]

I dont think im doing this right... also i just noticed i have to fix her eye YET AGAIN because this is a roll back/ fall back save file i did oof

[obsidian nova]

If not, you can fix all of the broken ones at once. With the “basis” shape key selected (in the right hand menu) select the eyeball meshes. Then in the vertex drop down (see pic), select “propogate to shape keys”.

If you’re not seeing any scuffed shape keys, then that means that it’s a weight painting issue.

[frank vine]

This?

[obsidian nova]

Yup

Btw, the split face is probably a backwards normal map, unless that’s like an effect that you’re going for, in which case, never mind.

Normal maps just basically tell unity & VRChat “this polygon is facing this way”. But it’s super common that they flip upside down while your editing things. When that happens, you need to fix them.

To see if any normals are flipped the wrong way, click this drop down arrow & then turn on the “face orientation” check box.

Anything red is backwards…

[frank vine]

yeah i know how to flip normals .. her face is split to match my makeup
My signature is this lil swirly dood-dad lol

[obsidian nova]

Damn, that’s great.

It’s a good look.

[frank vine]

yeah shes fine

[obsidian nova]

So yeah, the eye issue should be fixed.

[frank vine]

heheh thanks :3 im a shape shifter :p tis why im always going to be miserable constantly changing my avatar to match my ever changing look x.x

imma export and test her real quick

[obsidian nova]

Kk

I’m off to sleep. I might be able to help tommorow, but items like 4am here. I shouldn’t still be up. lol

[frank vine]

Its 3 am here :3 thanks so much!

[indigo stirrup]

I want to scale these down into a tiny point inside the feet on the Basis shape key, and have them this size on a "shoes" shapekey, but when I scale down from individual origins, it turns out the white part, the pink part and each shoelace is a separate bit with no linked vertices. so they all scale on their own instead of each shoe turning into a tiny point. What would be the best way to go about this?

Nevermind, I figured out a way

[devout scroll]

Was it move to cursor?

[indigo stirrup]

I just selected all the parts on each shoe and scaled them separately using bounding box center

I knew it would work, but like, I was hoping there'd be a simpler way...

[devout scroll]

I would scale them in then apply to basis to get a reverse shape key

But then I realized shift + s > to cursor with offset unticked will collapse everything into the cursor into 1 vert

in vertex mode obviously

[indigo stirrup]

yeah, scaling to 0 makes it impossible to scale back up

[devout scroll]

Do it with a shape key

Then apply to basis

It will give you a reverse shape key

Or as someone once suggested, use bones and scale those to 0-1

Depending on how you're optimizing, might be easier

[indigo stirrup]

I realize that it would be better and easier to put the shoes as a separate mesh, but then I would have more than one skinned mesh and the perf rank would immediatly dip, and I'm at 24k polys, so imo it's fine like that.

[spiral sigil]

how am i supposed to fix these two

i've tried so much

loops, reducing the counts

yet every time i try, it just creates a tri in another place

and it forever loops like that

[vivid crater]

A tri here and there isn't the end of the world

[obsidian nova]

You’re worrying way too much about tris. The idea is to minimize them, not eliminate completely.

[calm goblet]

tris are absolutely fine, and actually very useful for guiding deformation in certain areas

if you don't want unpredictable deformations put your "accidental" tris on areas that won't deform a whole lot

tris there at the tip of the toe? absolutely no issues from them at all

[obsidian nova]

All quads are tris anyways…lol

[calm goblet]

yeah it gets triangulated in-engine anyway, but for while you're working on the model and setting up your animations placing tris in the right places just makes things so much smoother

[obsidian nova]

I know, I know. 😅

[calm goblet]

put them in the right placfes on a joint to guide the hinge motion and you can make your bog standard vrc rig look like it's actually a fancy corrective rig

combined with good weight painting anyway

although i do hope unity and vrchat some day allow for setting up bone drivers so we can actually have corrective rigs

[obsidian nova]

Hey @calm goblet Do you do commissions? You seem to really know what you’re talking about.

[calm goblet]

i can do, yeah, i'm actually making my first vrc avatar right now for spookality lol

worked as a character artist for a year or so on an mmo in unreal though so most of what i'm learning new is just the unity side

[obsidian nova]

That’s awesome. I already have a character made, I just need some adjustments done. Can I DM you to talk budget & requirements?

[calm goblet]

sure

[spiral sigil]

i wonder if you do a commission for removing a stupid triangle

[calm goblet]

you don't need to remove that triangle, it's fine

[spiral sigil]

no

tri must go.

to be fair

if i can't find another way, then i'll have to do a triangle joint near the foot

redo the whole thing and add the triangle to a joint instead

making sure the rest of it connects nicely

[calm goblet]

why do you hate tris?

they won't hurt your model at all lol

without putting tris all over the place i'd never have been able to get my current piece to move well lmao

[spiral sigil]

because i've heard over the years that it's very bad to have them in meshes that are to be rigged and moved

[calm goblet]

you heard wrong

triangles are useful

[spiral sigil]

maybe in environmental or very low poly

[calm goblet]

even in current-gen character art, triangles are useful

[spiral sigil]

are you saying all my effort in retopologising a bloated 2014 model was a big waste of 3 days?

[calm goblet]

if all you did was try to remove every single triangle you could find? yes

[spiral sigil]

no, i rebuilt a thing from the ground up

with optimisation in mind.

[calm goblet]

if you made some good alterations to the mesh so it would deform better, then it wasn't a waste

and yeah reducing pointless polys is a good thing

[spiral sigil]

i don't know that till i get to weigh paint test it.

i first need to get the dumb feet done

it's the last thing before hands.

[calm goblet]

you should know how things'll deform before you rig lol

[spiral sigil]

i can imagine from the current

but i can't tell if it's gonna meet my exact expectations.

reducing polys comes with a cost

[calm goblet]

i do my retopo specifically to guide the way things will deform so i can have more accurate anatomy and animations with less polygons

wasn't 100% doable on my spookality model but it's 5k triangles in total, some stuff is gonna break there lol

[spiral sigil]

i had to sacrifice

made 2 triangles

will prolly have a 3rd

ow

only 2 triangles

[young vault]

TBH, more or less it's a topological flow thing (makes it easier). And the deformation is in certain cases better, which has to do with the topology. Does sometimes cause weird smoothing issues. But, triangles are entirely fine and to be honest, in certain applications expected in a game.

If it looks good with triangles, it looks good with triangles.

[spiral sigil]

i may re-retopologize if necessary.

idk

[calm goblet]

just don't worry about the triangles, specially on the sole of a shoe lol

[young vault]

There's people who only make 3D models in tris, and never make quads in the entire process.

[calm goblet]

use them where it makes sense, avoid them where they'll actually cause issues

[spiral sigil]

i made it somewhere else

the rest is quads

[young vault]

What part?

[spiral sigil]

i'm prolly gonna subdivision the whole finished retopo and then re-retopo with less polys

[calm goblet]

.....

why?

[young vault]

Sounds painful

[calm goblet]

it does

if it weren't for the fact that characters need to be rigged i'd never do retopo lol

[spiral sigil]

dw about the lines. they're messy because i haven't bothered to polish it yet

but that's where one of the tris is

[calm goblet]

i'll certainly never retopo the same thing twice if i'm not making a mobile version and a PC version

[quaint jasper]

it literally doesn't matter

[spiral sigil]

i don't mind a re-retopo

[quaint jasper]

If it doesn't bend/stretch/deform in that spot, triangles don't matter

[spiral sigil]

i enjoy retopo as long as i don't get a dumb tri where i don't want it

[young vault]

That tri doesn't look like it should deform, at least from the picture taken. Looks like the side of the foot?

[spiral sigil]

the weird bone end of the foot

not sure what human anatomy parts are called

[quaint jasper]

You're not doing a hero asset for an AAA game, so i really hope you're not putting way too much effort into something that will literally never be noticed

[spiral sigil]

this area

[quaint jasper]

I have friends like that and now they don't make things anymore

[spiral sigil]

i try my best to put in effort

because when i make something, i want it to be decent

not half-assed

[quaint jasper]

yeah but there's return on investment in your effort

[young vault]

That's the side of the foot by the ankle, yes. That part shouldn't deform (other than keeping up with the actual foot) the deform point should roughly be where the foot starts which looks to be 2 vertices above it. From what I see

[quaint jasper]

Is it worth spending dozens of hours to go from 95% to 100% ? Most likely not

[spiral sigil]

there is no 100%

[calm goblet]

you can find plenty of mistakes even on AAA hero assets

[spiral sigil]

there will never be 100. i try my best to get as far as possible

[quaint jasper]

exactly, so you're trying to get perfect topology in a spot where it doesn't matter

[young vault]

This would 100% be found on AAA models.

[spiral sigil]

but as you all are saying, i probably need to retopologise the whole thing again after finishing this one

subdivision and restart

[quaint jasper]

[spiral sigil]

i'm not gonna be happy till i get my results.

and i will spend as much time as i can redoing the thing over and over, till i get what i want.

[quaint jasper]

I hope you get your results in the end i guess

[spiral sigil]

it's also my first time retopo'ing

so it's good practice.

[young vault]

You sound like you're making a model for pixar.

[spiral sigil]

what

[young vault]

Pixar supposedly only allows pure quad meshes in production. At least that's what some of my animation friends told me.

[quaint jasper]

I legit don't know anyone who did retopo twice on the same model

[spiral sigil]

i retopod the head twice

body once

it's gonna be a 3/2 soon™️

[quaint jasper]

are you looking at guides at all ? Once should be already good

[spiral sigil]

a bunch

but not a single guide that tells me tris

[calm goblet]

why do they use triangles on the face to get the nasolabial crease then?

[spiral sigil]

all quads

[calm goblet]

pretty sure the pixar style joint caps are also using tris in places

[young vault]

Idk, that's just what they told me. But, might've been an earlier century standard?

...Just googled and found that pixar apparently have a subdivision guide that people can look at. Interesting.

[calm goblet]

a lot of things i've learned have been from pixar papers lol

a lot of what we use as standard was at least influenced by pixar as well

[azure rain]

probably because a animated movie is going to use a subdivide modifier a lot more than a real-time game asset

[obsidian nova]

I've never thought about that, but you're 100% right. The sub-div modifier must make things so much faster when it comes to rendering a feature film.

[spiral sigil]

with all the censors in place because 'rules are rules. rules™️' how well is my WIP first retopo? (hands are not done. will get to them soon™️)

sadly the censors don't allow me to show the geometry behind them

i also did some BTS (behind the screen/scene) polishing (not in the pic)

[obsidian nova]

This is great. You're done. ✌️ Next step.

[calm goblet]

yeah that'll work fine

as you learn to animate and/or start using downloaded animations you'll learn more about how you want your topology to be for the way you work

but that's perfectly functional topology

[spiral sigil]

that's all about the progress

practice

lots of it.

lots

Lots! ™️

[obsidian nova]

It's good to be passionate, but don't burn out. Work smart, not just hard, right?

[devout scroll]

Yeah but try not to get stuck practicing™️ too much and not actually finishing anything

That's a trap I fall into pretty often

You can write off anything as practice but sometimes you burn out because of it

Work smart indeed!

[spiral sigil]

ah yes, like abandoning your projects you've planned to make but couldn't ?

[ionic salmon]

Any idea how can i open it and know what exact ver

[full ice]

If you created the project, you would know which version it was made with

[frank vine]

I can relate, and i appreciate your passion, drive and attention to detail. If it's what YOU WANT, don't listen to anyone else telling you its a waste of time. You would THINK that this would be a place to find good support and motivation, and uplifting words to help you stay on your goals to make them a realty. To not give up.. smh anyway, just know i believe in ya and i think you're doing great 🙂

[vivid crater]

not sure who said to give up

and thats the thing, i think hes doing more than fine too
but the perfectionist in him is making him want to retopo it and go through the process again

pretty much any art help anything will tell you that being a perfectionist just leads you to be unsatisfied with your own work, more often than not its labeled as a bad thing for artists

[calm goblet]

there's a point with topology where you hit diminishing returns, you lay down crappy topology it doesn't take much effort to turn it into good topoology and the benefit is pretty huge, you wanna turn good topology into "perfect" topology you'll spend days extra working on it for no noticable difference

telling people not to waste time on things that don't actually yield any tangible benefit isn't telling them to give up, it's helping them to not give up

if you spent a day or two doing retopo on your character, it works, deforms nice, you can UV it clean, no nasty shading, clean bakes, then someone said "oh there's a triangle there and you can't have triangles cause triangles are bad, you go and spend another week figuring out how to go full quads without messing up your flow and find out that it actually doesn't look or perform any different at all

would you wanna carry on after that or wanna give up?

[vapid egret]

I have 3D modeler friends in the professional industry and what Tieguaili is saying is on the dime.
They only spend the extra time on topology when there’s an actually noticeable difference in the mesh. Often it’s around the joints, as how the geometry is folded can effect how the weights move it. Especially when bare skin is present around the pelvis, thighs and shoulders.
Don’t work harder for no reason, work smarter.
I’d look into what professionals put their effort into and what they don’t, as well as what tools they use to save time. If you spend more than 3 hours on it (after practiced ofc) then you’re wasting money

[desert crown]

Is there a way to extract Texture files from a Blend.file? The Blend.file comes with textures when previewing it in the scene, but the texture files are no where to be seen along with the Blend.file outside of blender. Assuming that its somehow in blender itself, how do you extract it?

[thin shadow]

or

[desert crown]

thank the heavens! that worked!

🙏 thank you @thin shadow

[obsidian nova]

@vapid egret 100%; like I just finished watching this VFX tutorial from Pwnisher...It's a dark club scene, so all he needed were good silhouettes. He literally just dropped in some default cubes/characters and then spent 98% of his time on the lighting. Put in the effort where it counts; forget the rest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdtTthV_sXI

[quaint jasper]

FYI that works well because it's unreal engine, Unity can't do most of that

[obsidian nova]

I know 🥲 Unreal is UNREAL. I'm really tempted to swap over. Although, I've heard that it's much more difficult to build for VRC (or VR in general) using UE. Is that true?

[dusty heron]

It's impossible to build for VRChat (a Unity-based game) in Unreal Engine

[obsidian nova]

Good to know. Thanks!

[quaint jasper]

Well you can since you can export it out, but it won't look or function the same at all, so that's be a lot of wasted time and effort

[dusty heron]

You can make Unity look really good, but it's hard to do without HDRP, which VRChat doesn't use.

[obsidian nova]

I feel like Ian Hubert is the best example of "only work on what counts, f*ck the rest." He has some great modelling/rigging tutorials. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgfJIZEDY44

[spiral sigil]

ouch

whoever told me that perfectionist mindset gets you nowhere, ow.

bullet right to my skull there.

i can't help but correct every tiny imperfection i find

it's a bad itch

and an itch must be scratched

[quaint jasper]

It gets you there, but just takes way too much time to get to it

[obsidian nova]

Ha, I think most of us have been in your shoes & we know where it leads.

[spiral sigil]

that's a reason i quit art

i spent 10y making art, then i stopped because i hit my peak performance in 2017 before starting to get very picky with my details

which eventually made me worse, which lead me to discard my new WIP sketches a day or so after

and draw less, and decay more, and then stop.

hate it.

wasted 10 years of my youth on something i stopped getting good at.

👏

[obsidian nova]

You could try making something intentionally bad (call it ironic if you'd like). That usually helps me to get un-stuck when I'm in that "perfectionism" spiral.

[spiral sigil]

i don't have ideas for something intentionally bad

i had that in 2017 as random sketches during classes

[obsidian nova]

The opposite of what you'd normally do.

[spiral sigil]

math classes at that.

[spiral sigil]

so.....nothing ?

i don't do art anymore.

i cba to try and get myself back where i was.

my mind wants quick results. if those quick results don't happen, don't bother.

[iron coral]

listen dawg

i know exactly where u comin from cause i get in funks like that often

[obsidian nova]

How old are you? Still in school or working?

[spiral sigil]

trying to find a job for 2 years

[iron coral]

but think about it like this
you wanna do art
but you think you wont be satisfied
but you clearly still wanna do it

the only thing stopping you is yourself

[spiral sigil]

i stopped wanting to do art

now i have an itch to keep retopo'ing my thing

then start all over again

and again

....and again

.......and AGAIN

[iron coral]

oh yeah bro trust me i retopo'd a character model i had multiple times over the course of 2 years, but havent lately

at some point you have to force yourself to show it off and call it finished

[desert crown]

Any of you guys know how to fix black shade error in viewport shading? I checked google and this is what it says about the strength, but its not it.

[spiral sigil]

and then it's gonna bother me, make me feel guilty of using it, and dump it

real fun.

that's what i do. when i feel like it's not good enough, i get guild trips whenever i use it.

[iron coral]

publishing it to a platform will really help with not having that itch since its out, then you wont want to mess w it

[iron coral]

i think you have to check off scene lights

[desert crown]

scene lights is off though

[spiral sigil]

but what if the given model i find not good enough when around others?

it will make me want to improve on it

and it's gonna be an endless cycle of Vs

V1 V1.1 V1.2 etc

[iron coral]

oh no i meant like enable it

WAIT

no

im dumb

[spiral sigil]

i do wish i had a proper way to test the avatar's capabilities, though

like FBT movements

[obsidian nova]

Sounds like you've got your ego tied up in it. That's a mistake. 👏

I did the same thing for a long time.

[spiral sigil]

i have no idea what ego is in this context

[iron coral]

Is it an issue with the material or the scene do you know?

[desert crown]

just the scene, the other preview works

solid mode, thats right, solid mode works

oh never mind i found the issue, it has something to do with alpha

weird

[iron coral]

ohhh did you have the alpha slider turned down to 0

[desert crown]

yeah

[iron coral]

oh yea thatll do it lmao

god im still not used to principled shaders lmao

[obsidian nova]

Well ego like, I used to care more about being an "artist" than I did about making art. My personal identity was wrapped up in my work. I thought that if people saw errors in my work, they would think less of me.

[iron coral]

you're setting unrealistic standards for yourself because you're trying to hold up an image of your work that you might not yet be able to achieve

[spiral sigil]

that's what i've done for the past 7 years

[iron coral]

it might be as simple as

not doing that

[obsidian nova]

Well said.

[spiral sigil]

having the mentality to not do it is tough

easy to say, hard to do

it's like smoking. easy to get addicted to, hard to quit.

[obsidian nova]

I have this framed on my wall "done is better than perfect; nothing is perfect unless it's done".

[iron coral]

unless you have people to help you quit it

i can guarantee if u sent ur work to some ppl they'd be like "yo thats fire"

[obsidian nova]

You have a profile picture like that & you're worried about perfectionism? 😅😉

[spiral sigil]

usually the people who say that either don't know how to do such things, or are just trying to lighten the mood without lying.

at least to me

[iron coral]

who cares if they dont know how to do it???

[obsidian nova]

Well hopefully you're not making art for other artists. Art's for the masses. ✊ ✊ ✊

[spiral sigil]

i never did.

it's the same reason i help people in tech support for free.

i don't qualify myself to having people pay me for something i'm not as good at as others, with more exp than them.

[obsidian nova]

It's funny, because I find myself having all of these same thoughts. It's uncanny.

Supply & demand. Someone will always be better, but you can bet that if they're at the top, they're charging peak-prices and that they're too slammed to take on additional projects. Not everyone can afford the best and the best can't suck up all of the work, no matter how efficient they are.

[spiral sigil]

i don't know how S&D is related to this.

[obsidian nova]

Sorry, my finger slipped & I posted before I was ready. 👍

[iron coral]

oh yup like i just learned tonight of an artist with commissions starting at $5K and always backed up like aint nobody gonna reach that level

[devout scroll]

starting new ones because you get stuck in the old ones or lose interest

also known as mid development hell™️

The novelty of starting working on a new idea is gone by this point but the end isn't close yet and you're often left with tedious stuff

Get stuck on something or end on a bad note and you want to go back working on it less and less

Mostly because new ideas start seeming more appealing

[zinc jolt]

boom

[obsidian nova]

Leggy boy

[calm goblet]

happens to me every time i get to retopo stage lol

[devout scroll]

Well, it's good to know that everyone goes through this at least lol

[calm goblet]

oh it's perfectly normal, everyone gets bored when they're doing the stuff they don't enjoy

and while you're creating the fun parts during the design process you're coming up with new ideas while your brain is in that mode

then you get to the boring retopo stage and you're just like "maybe if i just pose the high poly, polypaint that and make a nice render, then i can go sculpt something new"

[glad steeple]

box model then you never have to retopo 🧠

[calm goblet]

you also can't do the same things you can with a sculpt

unless you're doing very low detail stuff sculpt and retopo is a faster workflow really

even on low detail stuff sculpting is still an incredibly fast way to play with designs

[glad steeple]

sure.

I dont necessarily agree with the low detail comment, i think you can get away with not sculpting for alot of things.

e.g: old model but, no sculpting on the fabric.

not the best example! https://www.artstation.com/artwork/xJAZyR

[rain fjord]

how do i know what's best amount of geometry detail to have for my world? it will only be the size of my room so i don't plan on having many people in it

[zinc jolt]

Still a work in progress

[cedar quest]

Anyone has an idea how to fix this ? The model i guess was not made in blender so importing the FBX produces this.

Using CATS to fix the model makes the bones look a bit funky.

[quaint jasper]

You need to enable correct bone orientation when importing the fbx

[cedar quest]

The settings were a bit hidden, but found it. Thanks

[cedar quest]

Although the intitial import is still all broken up.

Seems like animations that do bone rotation in unity will need to be remade

as it somehow screws up the rotations later in unity

[zinc jolt]

working on Alastor

[zinc jolt]

he looks unnerving

uncanny looking I meant

[wild root]

so.. I'm new to vr chat development, I'm a 3d character artist working on games and animation projects, but I just recently started to get into vrchat. if anyone wanna team up to make avatars, i can model anything but Im no rigger. and since I dont know how to optimize for vrchat, I would like to learn haha.

[unique sigil]

I need some help, so i mqde a microphone part by part with a few meshes . It looks nice when the meshes arn't combined yet. But when i joined them together the mic's form goes to this.
How can i fix this issue or have i forgotten to do smth?
First image is before combining. Second image is after joining the meshes together.

[wild root]

why r the meshes separated in the first place?

[unique sigil]

well, I'm starting off. begginer and still learning slowly.

[quaint jasper]

Rigging is pretty straight forward #avatar-rigging message

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system

[wild root]

hmm thx, I will read it.

[wild root]

u can retopo the model and just keep it as single mesh. it's a very basic model so it should be easy to retopo.

[quaint jasper]

I know that model and there's no chance at retopo unless you're leaving all the microphone mesh detail behind, since it's all geometry

texture + normal bake might be nice though

[wild root]

yeah but he said his model is built from separated meshes with no uniform topology, a retopo is needed then bake of course.

[quaint jasper]

The subdivision modifier is causing your issue

[wild root]

anyway nice to meet u ruuubick, am still new to the server. so I plan to be active and try to help with anything character related since that's my forte.

[quaint jasper]

glad to have you here ! Do you have a portfolio by any chance ?

[wild root]

yeah

[unique sigil]

So should i not use subdivi ? If so, what should i do instead?

[wild root]

https://www.artstation.com/artsolit_nox

I'm coming from the animation industry, but I plan to learn how to optimize and prepare models for vr

[wild root]

can we take a look at the wireframe of ur model?

[unique sigil]

Yea. Give me one moment.

[quaint jasper]

If you want to use subdiv, you would need to generate crease edges for all sharp edges

[wild root]

yeah or support loops

[quaint jasper]

That looks awesome ! Cool different styles too

[unique sigil]

That's true.

[nocturne shell]

are you planning on normal baking that top tho homie

[wild root]

yeah the mic ball definitely needs optimizing. but at least u have a high poly ready for ur bake lol

[unique sigil]

Yea.

[wild root]

thx ruuubick

[nocturne shell]

noice

while ur at it add a slight bevel to the square

not a big one just to give it a bit of curvature

[unique sigil]

Still learning though.

So baking and beveling to the square.

[nocturne shell]

sorta

[unique sigil]

I'll see what i can do about it.

[azure rain]

very nice

[zinc jolt]

this is very challenging

[foggy granite]

are you making the radio demon from hazbin

[zinc jolt]

correct

[spiral sigil]

so how's my topology? i know that it's important to have good topology and as a newby, i'd like some review.

[quaint jasper]

Topology* and so far there's nothing to review since it's just a few quads

If you're looking a video tutorials, you'll probably be fine

[spiral sigil]

topology yeah

and that's a good point

[obsidian nova]

The best thing to do is to use references.

[zinc jolt]

Exactly

[spiral sigil]

with references, it's best if you can get a clear front, side and back view.

you can then import the images on blender as physical flat objects

arrange them in a way you can see the '3d' from the images.

[calm goblet]

optimizing for vrc is no different to any other game engine, just gotta check the boxes for the performance guide if you wanna target a particular rating

[wild root]

oh alright, thank you.

[oak hatch]

New tikki avatar in development.

[zinc jolt]

That actually looks impressive

[oak hatch]

It's going to be incredibly cursed.

[plain spruce]

anyone ever run into this problem?

https://gyazo.com/a85c7f5dc06fe2288129e8beb5a6fb06

applying all transforms to this model squishes it

does not occur with other meshes

scaling the mesh in edit or object mode also results in squish if I apply all transforms

[quaint jasper]

visual transforms might help

[spiral sigil]

Banjo vibes

[spiral sigil]

you have inspired me i completely forgot about making tiki thingies

update ur progress here when it all done

[oak hatch]

Oh we're gonna have fun.

[spiral sigil]

what are your references?

wait could you just trace out a face from a reference and then knife project it onto a clyander

[oak hatch]

I drew a quick doodle a ways back, but otherwise just Google and nightmares.

I have some visemes up and running.

[spiral sigil]

nice

[vapid egret]

Does anyone know what the next step is after a sculpting? Retopology? The mesh shape is simple but pretty messed up and uneven. Cant UV this.

First time sculpting something so I dont know the process well

[quaint jasper]

Yup, retopo

[foggy granite]

Retopolgy is definitely need if you want that thing to be optimize then you should worry about texture

[quaint jasper]

I'd highly highly suggest the QuadRemesh addon though

paid addon, but insanely worth it

[thorny ivy]

Ya'll got any advice on how to align vertices to faces? Basically, tryin' to get the cylinder's end to line up with the front of this.

I could use knife intersect but that makes thin's real messy.

[vapid egret]

Alright thank you :)

I appreciate the quad remesh advice, Ill check it out

[quaint jasper]

Could shrinkwrap the cylinder and extrude ?

[spiral sigil]

First 3D Model, Zero Tutorials. im tryna remake bonzi buddy cause i have nothing else better to do. and as my first 3d model. im just wondering if this is good at all

[quaint jasper]

I would really recommend looking at tutorials to learn the tools properly first, as to not miss out on important things when setting up

your model isn't symmetrical for example

[spiral sigil]

well its a big WIP and im just posting it here rn for feedback

[quaint jasper]

It's a good start

[spiral sigil]

alr thanks 🙂

[oak hatch]

Eekum Bokum

[spiral sigil]

this is so cool

i really like this

[spiral sigil]

also, here it kinda looks like the tiki is wearing a Rune Med Helm

[merry vault]

The stank of it being a first attempt will add to the suitability of Bonzibuddy.

[spiral sigil]

ah yes

i luve the color scheme

how did u texture the leafs?

[spiral sigil]

i gotta be honest

that is really quality

i can't look away

[chrome sierra]

i have a question, how long i need to play vrchat for put a 3D model on the game. i was playing with my steam account but recently i create a vrchat account for create new 3D Avatars and always i open my model unity shows me this message (sorry for the bad english im new at it)

[spiral sigil]

Good, you already made a VRC account. So all you need to do now is play on the account until its New User

right now its a Visitor, and those dont get upload permissions

you can check what rank you are by opening the quickmenu ingame, and looking straight up above you. It displays ur rank somewhere under the nameplate

[thorny ivy]

How do ya find out the variable value used when editin' stuff post-use?

IE: Bevelin' an edge, confirmin' it, and then wantin' to use the same value for bevelin' somethin' else?

[foggy granite]

Like this menu

width tells your range

[thorny ivy]

I understand that but post-confirmation is what I'm after.

Basically, a way to see what the modifier value was.

[foggy granite]

I don’t think you can once the modifier is applied that data is gone

[thorny ivy]

Damn.

[foggy granite]

mind showing her tail

[devout scroll]

👉 👈

[spiral sigil]

breast topology looks really weird

maybe it's just the clothing being in the way with its own topo

but DAMN it's clean

[thorny ivy]

Anyone know what's up with my bridge loops?

It was workin' fine a bit ago but now it's doin' this for some reason.

[oak hatch]

Selection order maybe?

[thorny ivy]

Just tried it both ways, outer-inner and inner-outer, same results.

[languid fog]

The tail is looking really bad right now tbh, i just did a sketch

[foggy granite]

alright up date me then

[languid fog]

Thx, noted

[spiral sigil]

i'd love to make a model from scratch at some point

cba when i can't even get my OC's design finalised, which has been in alpha stage since 2014

[languid fog]

dam, you can always do a commission with some 2D artists and get a really nice design (I did it)

[spiral sigil]

it's not that

i've been trying to figure out my OC's design for the past 7 years

so far, i still don't know what's best

it always changes

and since i have no idea how color theory works (ain't an artist), i can't tell if my colour choices fit or not

[languid fog]

well for me i just blend everything that i like, Mitology, Animals; Anime and etc

[spiral sigil]

the design is mostly based on japanese cartoons

but

[languid fog]

and choose my favourite colours haha

[spiral sigil]

i'm talking outfit, respective colours, hairstyle, eyes, etc

the small details

if i told an artist i commission to finalise my OC, it wouldn't be mine anymore, would it?

that means they take the credit for the last bit of work, which finalises the whole thing.

[chrome sierra]

thanks

[languid fog]

The textures, dam thats cool

Gj

[bright perch]

is there a way to sculpt multiple meshes at once? if not, is there a way to apply the same sculpt work you did on one mesh to another?
for example I'm trying to physically alter a human body with clothes on it but the clothes are on a separate mesh

[spiral sigil]

2.0 First Model, Bonzi Buddy, Front

Side

is this good at all?

[quaint jasper]

For a beginner, sure, but really use references and existing 3d models of the character to know what you're going for

[spiral sigil]

i am using a reference

[quaint jasper]

front and side ?

Also i would still recommend symmetrizing your mesh in edit mode so you can use symmetry in sculpting

[spiral sigil]

mirror it?

[spiral sigil]

theres no side view of bonzi buddy

[quaint jasper]

other people have made models of him, you should use that as a target

the more references you'll have, the better it will go

[spiral sigil]

alr thanks

[quaint jasper]

Also start with big shapes first, then do detail

Proportion is too important to do it last

[spiral sigil]

seeing as i went from this

To this

i think ive done good 🙂

[plain spruce]

tanks

[spiral sigil]

hows this look?

[thorny ivy]

Got a weird bug. Can't find the head armature's origin or even move it.

Body's works just fine though.

[spiral sigil]

Yeah I dont understand why sometimes I cant use grab to move around armatures, but if I press N to open that menu and go edit the transforms there by the sliders for the XYZ axises it moves then

[quaint jasper]

You can do Shift + S to easily move the 3D Cursor around and then set object's origins

then snap back to something else

[spiral sigil]

SO CLEAN

[zinc jolt]

Looks nice 👍

[wintry gale]

working on a cool avatar idea

doing like an xray cyborg type thing

[foggy granite]

Thats an actually pretty cool idea

[wintry gale]

this is how it's coming so far

using godfalls "godprince" as the base model

[spiral sigil]

noice i think

how did you carve into the chest?

[wintry gale]

a lot of steps lol

I selected the vertices and removed them from the rest of the mesh, after that I then brought them back and extruded the edges to fit the body

and with a few other magic steps I got it to fit perfectly!

also here's a render of the heart/valve in his chest I modeled from scratch

[dusty heron]

That looks sick!

[thorny ivy]

This might be a boon to anyone who finds visemes nonfunctional/distorted.

The add-on
https://app.gumroad.com/d/e6155aa997a5019a1ecb00f45d9789b3

Quick tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLr6YdJIQxw

[spiral sigil]

Ok should I make this tail protruding straight out and deform it with bones?

[subtle mirage]

the things that yall are doing make me feel stupid lol

keep up the fantastic work 🙂

[spiral sigil]

ahk this is pain

apparently the main body is difficult

[wintry gale]

Thank you!!

[spiral sigil]

at what point do you say "maybe i should restart" a specific part of a model?

i can't really figure out how to shape this body very well

with the other parts turned on...

[quaint jasper]

Are you still not using a tutorial ? You're making this super hard on yourself, the process is well documented at this point

[spiral sigil]

i know

i don't really know what to search

how to make a person in blender maybe?

obviously "how to make a vrchat avatar in blender" videos always start with "find and use a premade base" but i want every part including the base to be made by myself

[azure rain]

then check for how to make a person blender

[spiral sigil]

i will tomorrow

[spiral sigil]

took a stab at redoing it. and i seem to have done better this time. stuck closer to the techniques that i learned from the foot tutorial

[obsidian nova]

Just look up a tutorial, it'll save you some time.

[spiral sigil]

it's time to google for reference sheets

like this one here

https://www.deviantart.com/jugapugz/art/base-female-body-reference-sheet-355193010

[wintry gale]

little update

[outer pawn]

so it wont let me post the full body in here for some reason but do the eyes and jaw have to be merged with the body for riging it with skeleton

[spiral sigil]

for some reason, this part bothers me

[obsidian nova]

It looks fine to me. It’s part of the look.

[spiral sigil]

going good so far..

i've been messing with the chest shape all day

finally getting better

[devout scroll]

make sure to look at some references

[spiral sigil]

yep

[oblique wagon]

Y DO people MAKE mirrored UV's!@!#? when there making models for vrc none of us painters want them when texturing your models what drives me nuts is when some one makes two sets of textures for mirrored and non mirrored uv's and doesn't give you the second mesh for the other uv set.

[stark radish]

Maybe the model has the other UV map and you just have to select it in Blender?

[calm goblet]

yeah if you have 2 uv sets on a model you can just selevt the other one and use that

you don't need 2 separate models

[stark radish]

Also for mirrored stuff in general it can be more convenient for stuff that's the same on both sides

but yeah it's a pain when you want to change one side

like heterochromia or tattoos

[calm goblet]

or just wanting to make your model actually interesting

symmetry only goes so far, you wanna do something cooler you gotta break symmetry

[stark radish]

Luckily with some marked seams and new UV projection it's not always a pain to unmirror stuff

or you can be lazy and just make an extra material

[calm goblet]

yeah you could add more draw calls for literally no reason

[stark radish]

Yep which so many people have done and I hate it

but I understand why

[calm goblet]

i don't

it's not that hard to repack your UVs

[stark radish]

It is if you're just starting out and are scared by how much UI there is in Blender already

[calm goblet]

if you're just starting out it's better to learn how to do things right

[stark radish]

I agree

[calm goblet]

rather than learning how to do them wrong and having to unlearn that later

[stark radish]

but there's laziness and misinformation to take into account

[calm goblet]

yup, which is why i try to shove people in the direction of good info when i can lol

[stark radish]

Same

[calm goblet]

already made plenty of stupid mistakes and learned plenty of shitty workflows, no reason everyone should have to suffer the same

[stark radish]

Mhm

I've mainly focused on learning Blender as that's where most people seemingly haven't

optimization is really important to me

[calm goblet]

optimization and quality are my main things lol

[stark radish]

Mhm

[rain fjord]

why is this connector flickering?

[radiant vortex]

Master chief

[rain fjord]

yeah?

[full ice]

Probably Z fighting, you have two meshes in the same spot so as you move the camera they "fight" for rendering, at least that is what I have known it to be called, might have another proper name. You should check that you don't have 2 meshes there, or that the cylinder for the connector isn't very thin with 2 sides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-fighting

[rain fjord]

@full ice that other connector is far away from it, it's not z fighting

[full ice]

is the other connector even enabled for visibility in that image? Check that mesh that is flickering with nothing else enabled, if it still flickers then you have some faces that are occupying similar space in that object, if not, enable one by one other things

[rain fjord]

@full ice only flickers when the monitor's stand is visible

[full ice]

Then the issue is with that object. You can try to merge by distance and see if that clears it, if so you have faces occupying the same space and need to delete, after undoing the merge, that's up to you to figure out how to select. You can do this in edit mode.

[rain fjord]

@full ice didn't work

[full ice]

did you select everything before doing the merge?

[rain fjord]

@full ice yup, still didn't work, do i need to mess with the settings in the little window that shows up?

[full ice]

no, the default should work, especially if you are getting z-fighting. If it wasn't time for bed I would continue to help but I can't, good luck with that

[desert crown]

Does anyone know how to apply png textures in blender 2.8 or 2.9 adding Alpha? I saw some videos of it, but then they are doing it the "nodes" way and its hella confusing.

[subtle mirage]

u guys make blender look easy

[hasty abyss]

blender and unity suxxx

[dusty heron]

Says the person on the VRChat Discord server... the game... made with Unity

[dawn anchor]

this is my first time modelling somethin, is the topology/edge flow okay? (there is a subdivision modifier, i just turned it off)

hole is where a tail would be

[quaint jasper]

Good start yeah

Might want to prepare knee topology ahead of time if you care how it'll bend

[dawn anchor]

yeh, was gonna put the bending faces (i forgot what it's called) later after I model the whole body

thanks!

[spiral sigil]

Oh there are special faces for armatures to manipulate?

I guess I need to look more into rigging than I have so far

[foggy granite]

No, it's all a matter of edge flow

[spiral sigil]

Oh

[foggy granite]

Learning edge flow allows you to get smoother and cleaner deformation/bends

[spiral sigil]

Alright

[spiral sigil]

Very nice

[thorny ivy]

Anyone know how to fix missin' origins for Armatures? Recent issue, origins show for non-armatures + have 'em on as a global option.

[spiral sigil]

speaking of your model

how do you know where to accurately place creases for the sleeves?

you using clothing sim?

[celest onyx]

Would I be able to get an assist? I'm trying to make a model quest-compatable, but when i go to change the textures to toon lit, it turns them black

[quaint jasper]

Might want to share your unity screen

[celest onyx]

Where would I do that at? Just curious

[quaint jasper]

Here, with a screenshot

[celest onyx]

Ok!

and the next image is with the Toon lit ON

[quaint jasper]

FYI quest does not support custom shaders

It says so in the error at the top of the SDK, on the left

[celest onyx]

I know, I was seeing if there was a workaround to get it to where it does toon lit with the proper textures

[quaint jasper]

That's the skin material, what about the other materials ?

[celest onyx]

That's the killer, the others are already on toon lit!

it's only two textures that have the bizarre custom one

[quaint jasper]

What are the texture settings ?

Does the model have vertex color ?

[celest onyx]

I'm going to be honest and say I have n o clue

[quaint jasper]

Yeah, i don't think this model will work on quest still, it's already very poorly optimized for PC in the first place

[celest onyx]

Alright...well thank you for the help though

[quaint jasper]

It would take a huge amount of effort to make that good enough for quest

[honest heart]

I’ve gotten unity and it just runs very slowly all my clicks are delayed, does anyone know what may be causing it? This happened before I tried loading a avatar file in it aswell.

[spiral sigil]

whats it lookin like in task manager?

is it getting like 0-1% CPU usage

[honest heart]

im unsure give me a moment

yea it goes from like 0 to like 0.3%

[spiral sigil]

lookup threads about super laggy unity and very low cpu usage

make sure the executable running as unity has affinity on all of your cpu cores

also id try doing a clean boot https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/how-to-perform-a-clean-boot-in-windows-da2f9573-6eec-00ad-2f8a-a97a1807f3dd

[honest heart]

ngl kinda unsure what the second sentence means but i understand the first one

[spiral sigil]

for thr affinity part just scroll till u see pictures to get to the tutorial http://simpleitpro.com/index.php/2020/07/06/how-to-set-cpu-affinity-in-windows-10-with-task-manager-or-system-properties/

[honest heart]

So I did the steps aswell as restart my computer like it said, but there is no change. there are alot of background tasks running and im not sure if i should end some of them.

[spiral sigil]

disable all startup items

in taskmgr

not sure if google crash handler is a normal background process if you have google chrome installed

[honest heart]

the bar is greyed out so i cant disable them

[rain fjord]

hello, i'm having a serious flickering problem, there's no z fighting and i've tried both increasing clip start and merging by distance but still no luck

[languid fog]

That avatar look sick

Trying my best to keep the low poly counts possible

[quaint jasper]

Still alright without the subdiv ?

[spiral sigil]

Hey does anybody know how I fix the origin point to be in the center of my model? I imported it in, and it went wack
dunno if this is the right channel for this, my apologies.

aight nvm I found out what to do. I just had to find the individual origins, and then just put it to my 3d cursor! Thanks for the help though!

[spiral sigil]

Is that a insanely thick tv

holy shite

[teal trout]

bro such technical talk and im too dumb for it

[dense crescent]

me who started 3d modelling 5 seconds ago

I’m just here staring at ball

[teal trout]

ez avatar just a single ball i approve 👏

[gloomy cipher]

im questioning weather i should try and fix this

[spiral sigil]

Yes

[spiral sigil]

Also what happened here? How did it happen?

[gloomy cipher]

exported from the forest, fixing it up

now the next part is these textures

UV map is correct, idk whats the problem

oh

blend mode was wrong on the material

now im gonna go do what i can with it

[spiral sigil]

Oh you can easily fix this transparency view by going to the model’s materials! Click the material, scroll down to settings, and change it from alpha blended to opaque. But it seems like you already know what you’re doing, so great job!

[craggy lintel]

Select all and then put zero for each value

so like

“a” and then press G, Z and then press 0

Then do the rest

Then do for the other values

[spiral sigil]

I guess that could work as well! Thanks, I actually didn’t know that! : D

[craggy lintel]

That’s faster

It’s how I do it

[spiral sigil]

Nice

[craggy lintel]

It also helps for flattening objects fast

[dim bloom]

can someone help me with an avatar in blender

[spiral sigil]

how is your geometry so smooth here?

[gloomy cipher]

Learning to be a game developer does that to you, thanks!

[gloomy cipher]

Im guessing Object view, object, shade smooth

[spiral sigil]

not that

the wireframe is so curvy and smooth

[gloomy cipher]

oh

subdivide

• subdivide
• subdivide
• subdivide
• subdivide
• subdivide
• subdivide

[ashen stag]

[languid fog]

nope

I only have sub lvl 1

[ashen stag]

If you subdivide too much youll just end in a tube

[languid fog]

ik

I trying to use the less polys possible

thats why i make the topology smooth

[ashen stag]

Yeah the 1 sub makes it so much easier to clean topology. Cleaning dyntopo sculpts makes me 🤮

[languid fog]

idk how to sculpt

i do poly modeling

:c

[past stump]

yo i need some quick help fdhkljgn

[ashen stag]

Nah thats good imo, I only use sculpting for a fancy proportional editing really. I cant sculpt from nothing worth shit

[past stump]

how the FUCK do i fix this
for some reason their eyes shoot forward when i pose them to bend down

theyre literally connected to no other vertexes

[celest onyx]

I'd hope so...money was involved 😶

[ashen stag]

When you weight the eye to the eye bone, make sure you are using auto-normalize to prevent them from being weighted to anything else

[languid fog]

without sub + shade flat

Shade smooth

without the sub the tris count is 4.324 (+Solidify)
with sub the tris goes to 16.584

[languid fog]

weight paint?

[languid fog]

just need some optimisation

[quaint jasper]

If you clear custom normals data and set the normal threshold for sharp a bit higher, it would look pretty nice

[celest onyx]

I mean if anybody's ever bored, I have the unity package for it if like you're really bored

[quaint jasper]

You can try the Cats bake function

[languid fog]

you mean like this?

[quaint jasper]

Yeah !

even without the subdiv it should look nice

[languid fog]

ps1 vibes

[azure rain]

yeah that does look very nice

those shoes have more triangles than entire PS1 character even un subdivided

and like reminder that view is not going to occur like 95 percent of the time you're actually playing vrchat

[languid fog]

noted

[azure rain]

like most people are going to be seeing your shoes at like this size

[languid fog]

yeah i understood that

that's my issue tbh, i keep trying to make the minimum details when it is not necessary

[vivid crater]

hidden avatar with the drip

[azure rain]

yeah when your game modeling it's important to consider like how big your stuff is actually going to be on screen

like you wouldn't need to put nearly as much detail into an SimCity Building compared to the like one in Spider-Man

[spiral sigil]

PS2*

PS1 couldn't even handle this much

[oak hatch]

tikki brikki

[spiral sigil]

pls tell me the eyes spin and the neon stripes waver in emission strength

[oak hatch]

Oh, ye of little faith, it's so much worse

So, SO much worse.

[spiral sigil]

YESS

[oak hatch]

The visemes are cursed, too

[spiral sigil]

the transition is so smoth

show

[oak hatch]

The emission will be toggleable on a hand gesture (left fist+left trigger)

This is a collab project with some really cool dudes, they're making the limbs and body r/n, whatever is done is gonna get a final polish on thurs/fri and then I'mma wear it for Halloween

[surreal steeple]

looking for someone to 3dmodel a simple character for me

[spiral sigil]

I could definitely envision a wooden tiki frame

im just wondering how the proportions work out

[oak hatch]

The body and arms are mostly done

[spiral sigil]

OOOOO

[oak hatch]

Those heads -should- spin with the main one

Not asure if they're modelled to do that, but I offered it to them

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/aBalRR7BAq-1X51tPwp8Yd_Oo4rBQ4uYsW0nqvbdGbY/https/i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/977824e99f4b2b8545d17dfd15706eba-png.jpg

[spiral sigil]

it really works

[oak hatch]

I'm stoked tbh

[spiral sigil]

how professional are you an your friends

you seem like demigods

[oak hatch]

It's fun to do collabs like this, we basically pick random themes and mash them together and each get a random part

It's all practice, lmao

Best part, this is gonna be a public avii

Muehehehehe

If I have time, I might give him a EEKUM BOKUM staff

[grave aurora]

Character I’m making for VRChat. Nothing is finalized here, just blockout sculpts

[calm goblet]

normal maps are your friend, you can have a super low res mesh that looks incredibly high res that way

[calm goblet]

where does the punk part come from? planning to add some patches and spikes to the jaket?

[median pike]

Speaking of shoes

Done with this for now

Like 2 million polys if I remember correctly

[languid fog]

Need to learn how to do that

[calm goblet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l59_R7RENxE

just retopo your high poly mesh, UV it, bake your map in handplane (it's free and way better than blender's baking) and you're good to go

[median pike]

Oo

Gotta try handplane out

[median pike]

How well does it compare with marmoset and substance?

[calm goblet]

it doesn't

marmoset is still the king of baking, substance a decent 2nd place

[median pike]

Got it

[calm goblet]

handplane just roflstomps blender's garbage baking lol

[median pike]

Yeah you can't do much worse than that

Was just hoping it to have a better workflow

Building cages is annoying

[calm goblet]

as an upgrade to blender though i'd definitely recommend 3d coat, sculpting, retopo, UVing, baking, texturing, all massively better

and relatively cheap, considering what you're getting, and considering the price of getting a specialist tool for each task lol

and personally i still think coat's texturing is the best if you want to do any kind of painting

[median pike]

I got lucky. My schools adobe license includes substance products

[calm goblet]

i don't like substance personally

[median pike]

Than again substance is pretty cheap in the grand scheme of things

[calm goblet]

only if you go perpetual with no lts

if you want continued support you gotta sub

another reason i prefer coat lol

[median pike]

Well at least the option is there unlike other software

[calm goblet]

true

but marmoset and 3d coat both offer good perpetuals and cheaper upgrade options

[grave aurora]

Yeah hopefully in the texturing phase!

[calm goblet]

ahh fair enough, spikes i'd probably add as geo if they're gonna be more than those small pyramid studs, either way should look pretty nice

[grave aurora]

The studs were kinda supposed to be a replacement for spikes.

She's a space punk in the sense that it's more of a polished pilot just doing whatever she wants in space, though that will probably change if I actually write stuff about her.

[oak hatch]

Anyone got any tips for modelling a braid at low poly?

Or more like medium poly, caus ea tube witha texture isn't gonna cut it

[calm goblet]

use curves

make the braid

job done

if you wanna be fancy you can duplicate your curves, have a hig hand low poly, do a bit of sculpting on the high poly to get some of that hair texture with how it crosses over itself and whatnot, bake that onto your low

[languid fog]

Noted thx

[calm goblet]

np

[exotic obsidian]

Warden.

[languid fog]

thats cool

[spiral sigil]

ok this is embarrassing but i somehow removed the orbit controller from my viewport

[quaint jasper]

orbit controller ?

[spiral sigil]

the thing at the top right that controls the veiwport camera

[edgy fog]

Edit > Preferences > Viewport > 3D Viewport Axis

That is if I'm understanding correctly and you're talking about this?

🙂

[spiral sigil]

yep that's what i'm talking about

toggling the setting didn't fix it though

[edgy fog]

oop

[vivid crater]

this guy?

[spiral sigil]

thats an F

[spiral sigil]

ah yeah that was the issue

thanks

[spiral sigil]

booba

[quaint jasper]

Would still suggest highly using references

[glad steeple]

one of the only excuses you have to look at boobs on the job 👍

[spiral sigil]

why boobs so squished

what r u doing m8

[spiral sigil]

what blender do i need to see fbx folder that I need to edit avators

Heres Johnny

[spiral sigil]

Beautiful

[spiral sigil]

agreed

[spiral sigil]

what have i made

[past stump]

I just like how this topology looks.

Makes my brain happy dksgskab

[quaint jasper]

Looks on point !

[foggy granite]

Are asking about importing file to exit you can use any blended past 2.7x but the currently should use 2.9 or 2.83

[opaque linden]

Struggling to weight this dress, it seems to just be and issue with this mesh. Any solutions to either this error or the weighting in general?

[prime zenith]

What happened here ?

[past stump]

Your normals might be flipped? Tho I'm not sure

That or it could possibly be a rigging/weight painting issue of some sort, detaching the feet from the shoes

[prime zenith]

It did the thing even just when I imported it. I don't understand what happened at all

[past stump]

Are the faces that make up those parts of the shoes still there?

[prime zenith]

normals seem ok

[past stump]

Hm that's odd

[prime zenith]

Weight painting is also ok for the whole thing

[past stump]

Hm
All I could really reccomend is removing the feet, as I'm not the most well versed with importing things into blender..
Normally what I do to prevent clipping issues with clothing, is delete all the faces that the clothing hides

[prime zenith]

The thing is it is a toggle, so I need to have both 😄

[past stump]

Aah

[prime zenith]

Ok it's some kind of material setting, I just copied from the origial using Pumkin tools and it works ok

No idea what exactly it is thiough lmao, I guess culling

[prime zenith]

It was actually blendshapes, there was an animation that makes the feet smaller to fit them into the shoes. Lol

[past stump]

Ooooh

Ok that makes sense

[oak hatch]

Was juust boutta say

[quaint jasper]

godzilla but fish

[visual vigil]

yee

[past stump]

i made them look so fluffy oh my god

[spiral sigil]

why is it so damn clean

[quaint jasper]

Good normals

[spiral sigil]

i'm gonna have to take some more lessons on topology and subdivision modelling

[gaunt pendant]

hi!! can anyone help me pls? i just need a dress and shoes thrown on an avatar. dm me if u can !! tyty

[fallen lichen]

so i made these hexagons how would i turn in to a mat

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/fqVjSB8Ydbuw2iYXQ2ReQtk68TcQOdCiQMBOwoCKcFo/%3Fwidth%3D1193%26height%3D671/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/885213965016256582/902180927273328650/unknown.png

[oak hatch]

Explain what you mean by mat

IF you intend to make it into a normal map, I have a tutorial that can help

[fallen lichen]

like put this on adobe

so i use it for like this

like spider man suit with hexagon were blue is

[oak hatch]

ok, so yeah, you can just use a hexagon pattern in photoshop, you don't have to make it in blender

You only really need to make a hexpattern like that in blender if you are making normal map stuff, IMHO

Woudl you like a repeating hexagon pattern for photoshop? I can give you one

[fallen lichen]

oh

[fallen lichen]

ok

[oak hatch]

I sent you a DM with the image pattern, lmk if you need help setting it up.

You can use it as a mask, if you are unsure how, look into "Photoshop image masking" on youtube.

[quaint jasper]

I'm pretty sure substance has a few hexagon patterns already

[fallen lichen]

not good for spider man

i use them

[thorny ivy]

So I've put myself in a bit of a corner, not quite sure how to get out of it.

I set a pose earlier to make it easier to model some custom clothes but I swapped to tweakin' the body some. I made a shapekey for the pose versus a, well, actual pose and now I don't know how to align the mesh + armature.

[full ice]

couldn't you just activate the shape key and set it as basis?

[thorny ivy]

Only the mesh was affected by the shape key and I've already set it to the new base in an attempt to fix this.

[full ice]

Fairly certain it gives you an undo shapekey when you do that

[thorny ivy]

Maybe, I'm familiarly new to even messing with shapekeys and posin' in the first place though might've overlooked that.

[thorny ivy]

A solution, far from ideal, but still one nonetheless.

1. Disable deform on target bones.
2. Reposition bones to where the mesh currently is
3. Apply as rest pose.

[thorny ivy]

Know profile views ain't all that stellar for showcasin' but I am tryin' to get the face to look more natural/" "realistic" ". The nose and chin are what I've been tweakin' recently, feel like they're decent right now.

Here's a more proper 3/4th's view.

[quaint jasper]

it's a good profile

Eyebrows seem way too thick though

[thorny ivy]

Which "brows"? The smaller, bean-shaped ones or what's suppose to be lashes from the original model?

[quaint jasper]

the longer lashes

[thorny ivy]

I'll see what I can do about reducin' 'em any. Don't wanna mess with the pre-existin' shapekeys any more then I have to.

[serene spruce]

why my blender doing this (there is a strange vetex not being properly affected when i grab the hands with mirroring, I am trying to space my hands)

[quaint jasper]

mesh isn't symmetrical most likely

[foggy granite]

Or maybe an overlapping vertex

[serene spruce]

can you elaborate?

[past stump]

about to start rigging :]

[surreal flame]

I hope you don't get problems with the A pose because in all of my two attempts at creating an avatar an A pose ended up with messed up shoulders in Unity (and consequently VRC) and had to redo them in a T pose.

[past stump]

I've made 2 other characters in a pose and they seemingly turned out fine

[surreal flame]

That's fair. For me the shoulders always ended up lower than they should have been.

[spiral sigil]

could also make a shape key that switches from A to T

[surreal flame]

That's true, but personally I don't see any reason why not to do everything in T right off the bat.

[spiral sigil]

same

[surreal flame]

And I can't tell if it's my weight painting or a general issue but reposing the model requires some repainting as well, which is something blend shapes don't really help with.

[spiral sigil]

are you making a museum??

[atomic hamlet]

That's not required. You can just put the model into a T-pose from the humanoid configuration menu in Unity after importing.

[visual vigil]

No

[spiral sigil]

that would be amazin

u can take the idea 100%

[keen tulip]

This sounds pretty dumb but uh, how do I get the materials to load onto the FBX model on blender?

[wintry vector]

the left and right side of your mesh are either different topologically or your mesh isn't centered correctly. So when you use x-mirror to move the vertices in edit mode, one or more of your verticies isn't actually mirrored. For example left it might be x = 1.241 and right is might be x = -1.235

that's my best guess

[keen tulip]

I think it has something to do with finding the materials on the file directory or something like that?

[wintry vector]

press z

and select the material preview

also make sure viewport shading is on

you're on solid

[keen tulip]

Ack, I might have to manually put em back on.

[wintry vector]

need to be on material preview

yeah your materials are messed up

[keen tulip]

LOL

[wintry vector]

uhh by the way it looks like you have a lot of separate materials. Please atlas them so you get more than 30 frames in game

its easy to atlas materials with CATS

[keen tulip]

Not planning to do that actually.

[wintry vector]

why not

it takes 5 minutes or less

just leave separate materials for whatever togglables you have. nvm in 3.0 you dont even need to

[keen tulip]

Well heres the thing...

I already have him ready in vrchat I'm just going back Just separate the hair by materials in blender and delete the copies

Hence why I'm on blender, just fixing up a hair issue.

[wintry vector]

yeah and atlassing your textures changes none of that, its just a courtesy to the people around you and yourself as you'll see better frames. And in VR better frames means better immersion

[keen tulip]

Oh no I get that, I'm just trying to remove materials that have metal like textures because in some worlds the hair gets shiny.

But once I'm finished with him, I'll be doing some optimization.

(He won't be a public avatar, just a private avatar. I only put it on to do some testing purposes)

[wintry vector]

sounds like its something with roughness and metallic maps

[keen tulip]

Yep, it's the metallic maps.

[wintry vector]

or if you're not using PBR maps then its the shader in unity

roughness will make it glossy

metallic is actual reflectiveness

[keen tulip]

Wait.

[wintry vector]

this isn't Rav the League of Legends Youtuber right?

[keen tulip]

Could I just remove the normal maps on unity and that would solve it?

LOL NO

[wintry vector]

normal maps define the bumps of a surface along with height maps

shouldn't affect reflectiveness as far as I know

you'll lose detail without a normal map

[keen tulip]

I should probably show what my shader settings are on actually haha, one sec.

Maybe I don't have to do blender to fix the problem.

[wintry vector]

depends on if you're using shader sliders or using your maps to define the reflections

also sometimes VRC lighting can seem inconsistent

let me see shader

[keen tulip]

I use Poiyomi Pro shader

[wintry vector]

you said the issue has to do with reflections?

[quaint jasper]

Why are your normal and AO set to 0 ?

[wintry vector]

also his metallic on 1

[keen tulip]

His hair in some worlds are shiny.

[quaint jasper]

Yeah you're not using any texture and you set the value to max for metallic

[keen tulip]

wdialdkslfgkj, input error fudge.