3d-modeling

[snow fern]

is there a way to transfer weights from one chain of bones to a new chain? like let's say I make a new spine. can I just copy the weights (proportionally sampled along the old bone chain) to the new bone chain?

[steel skiff]

is there any way to import animated mesh into VRChat like alembic?

I tried VAT and it doesn't support that much polygons

and this is the model I'm trying

[sturdy nebula]

is any way i s can combind thoses to blink shape key

[open scarab]

Set both to 1 , create new from mix

[sturdy nebula]

how to make new mix optoin to pop?

[open scarab]

v small icon near

[sturdy nebula]

ok i did that

thanks for help

[ocean fulcrum]

Hey, sorry, I'm sure this has been already asked a lot, but if I want to learn Blender from step 0, anyone got a good site/free online course for that? I have experience in coding and some Fusion 360 skills to design 3D printed parts (with no texture/animation/physics/anything), but actual 3D modeling seems to be a completely different beast. Obviously my goal would be to then move on to Unity and create some VRChat content but I suppose I must start with Blender first. (I already found some kind of courses/tutorials but they don't really go into the basics. It's just "click there, and there, do this, BAM it's done" and don't really explain anything, so that's not really helpful)

[unkempt torrent]

I'd say Blender can do several distinct things, so you should probably pick a reference goal first and learn through that

[still wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLa1F2ddGya_-UvuAqHAksYnB0qL9yWDO6

[thin shadow]

is there a reason why sometimes the material combiner doesn't includes some materials, despite having the same shading graph as other materials

when adding a item (fbx) into the avatar, weight painted, joined mesh and everything, when using the material combiner, there's always some mysterious reason why that texture doesnt get included into the atlas

it becomes white

[quaint jasper]

I'm going to make a tutorial for that, but yes https://github.com/Gaxil/Unity-AlembicToVAT

It's extremely fucking big in file size though, so be prepared

you might be looking at 100-200mb just for that effect

[small valve]

finally got around to adding glasses

took me like 0 seconds to model dont know why i didnt do this earlier

[quaint jasper]

Might wanna throw a subdiv on it

[small valve]

maybe though it already has a lot of detail

still, wouldnt hurt

PC avatar^tm

[quaint jasper]

There's no detail if it's completely black

Where are these triangles coming from

[small valve]

im reyling on my subsurf maps to do...something

you know what

i might just make these glasses red

[small valve]

hell

i am not good at making curves with the least amount of geometry as possible

[quaint jasper]

Get the EdgeFlow addon

Really helps for that

[small valve]

noted 0u0

[ocean fulcrum]

Thanks, finally back from work, will look into this.
Edit : Oh nice, that's actually several videos all going together, exactly what I was looking for I believe.

[spice pewter]

Cute glasses

[radiant ridge]

hey i cant separate these two bars from one another. can anyone help? i cant move one up without the other. id like to be able to put the animate bar back at the back hidden from view. but i cant.

having a slight Blender issue.

[quaint jasper]

Right click on the edge of the window for the options

[thin shadow]

I have found the solution. For some reason, the texture created when making my own props has the file extension fbm.
So unpack the texture (it will show as xyz.fbm), rename it as xyz.png or whatever file format supported by the mat combiner.
Replace it with the png, repack it again.

[radiant ridge]

after that what exactly am i looking for?

[quaint jasper]

join areas and down

[radiant ridge]

that appears to just get rid of the animation bar

[quaint jasper]

alright, explain what you mean by "back at the back hidden from view" then

[radiant ridge]

nevermind i just got rid of it. thanks for the help

[spiral sigil]

Is there any commonly used license for selling avatars? Would be for selling them in a web like itch.io or similars. (I'm a programmer and maybe I'm mistaking drawing parallels with the importance of the licenses)

[quaint jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZsmhCSjqlw&ab_channel=TLX

[hazy falcon]

Hey guys, I am having a problem with Blender.

I am trying to apply textures and in the tutorial video it shows that if I go into the shading panel, the objects should still look like if I were in layout, however in shading it is all dark with no edges to distinguish each object apart.

When I move it becomes distorted a bit, by this I mean that the previous location of the object stays visible when I move it. Hard to say and capture.

However here is an image of the problem right now.

I am new to Blender and all of the whole 3D arts thing, sorry if this was just a basic problem.

[fresh isle]

You need to make a UV Map.

[hazy falcon]

Oh okay cool, thanks for that, I'll search up how to do it 😄

[fresh isle]

Now to post what I was going to

[hushed acorn]

Nice

I have a model where a little detail has the backface on the wrong side. Anyway to fix that easily?

I'm at school so I got no pictures of it rn

[hazy falcon]

Hey there, so I've done a UV map of the object by simply using the smart UV object thing, however still it won't work and I've gone through two tutorials now on how to do it and have followed it but it still just won't display the texture.

Actually this might be a different question, sorry for that ping

Figured it out

I've had to change the color in the viewport thingy to texture, now it loads ❤️

[hushed acorn]

How do I 3D model from scratch?

I've only done it using a base

Like using a 2D reference

[tough plover]

using references is totally fine. they are useful especially for characters

[hushed acorn]

No I meant how do I do it like that

[tough plover]

ah, I see

if you search up "Blender character modeling" on youtube, you should find some useful videos

https://youtu.be/mjAlFGjKwvk

that one is showing you "Box modeling"

[hushed acorn]

Like where people do it like this

[tough plover]

the alternative is to sculpt then retopo https://youtu.be/f-mx-Jfx9lA

[hushed acorn]

I use Blender 2.8 but I think that will probably work

I'll look into it

I'm still at school lmao

[tough plover]

2.93.3 has been pretty good for me so far

[hushed acorn]

I usually use 2.8 cause I've had issues with CATS when I used it on 2.9

[open scarab]

2.93.3 is the LTS, cats had issues with 2.9 but not anymore

[craggy lintel]

Hey guys does anyone know a good Patreon to buy crazy particle animations? I learn about things via dissection, would love some leads!

Ping me if you have an answer!!!

[craggy lintel]

Hey Lone nice seeing you here UWU

[hushed acorn]

Oh, then I'll look into using 2.9 then

I remember when starting out, I had a issue that was caused by using CATS on 2.9

So I haven't used 2.9 except for like one or two things.

[hazy falcon]

I don't have a base color, it this what I am supposed to do with ambient occlusion?

Also I have no idea how to actually check the final result, clicking on the last node does not work or maybe I am just not in game to test it, but the texture changes when I click on the image source nodes.

Or in this case would my base color simply be the diffuse?

[tough plover]

so let me guess, you downloaded a wood texture pack from some website like poliigon?

[hazy falcon]

sharetextures

[tough plover]

alright. can you send a screenshot of all the textures that were included with the package? (with the file names visible)

[tough plover]

diffuse is the base color. you should also definitely consider using the normal and specular maps

[hazy falcon]

Okay cool thanks!

I've already added the normal map node, just gotta add the specular map node then

[tough plover]

you can use AO if you want, but it's not required

could probably just use a math node and multiply it with the diffuse

the displacement map can be useful, but it requires the model to be high poly enough so that parts can be displaced

[hazy falcon]

Did you mean something like this with the specular?

I'm confused, there was no other node in the list

[tough plover]

no, you plug Color directly into Specular

[hazy falcon]

Oh okay cool then

[tough plover]

also, consider setting the Color Space to "Non color"

do this for everything that is not your diffuse texture

because they should not be read as color data

[hazy falcon]

Okay cheers! Thanks!

[hazy falcon]

Hey guys,

I am having troubles with some of the nodes again.

The texture just isn't working anymore, I've made sure that I didn't make the mistake as the first one and that I am actually able to view textures and other textures. However for some reason my principle bsdf isn't updating the material output node, basically final changes are not being applied, all of the textures that I currently see are from me double clicking on the texture source.

Is there some sort of thing that I need to update?

I haven't found anything at all yet on the internet, the closest thing being similar but just the problem was only because someone was connecting the green connection with the yellow as they put the bdsf into a diffuse node and then into the material output node.

Below is a screenshot of it.

Thanks for any help and I appreciate it ❤️

Higher resolution screenshot of the nodes

It really is just the basic nodes but I had changed the colors around, such as the base colors.

[tough plover]

@hazy falcon you're in Solid view

not in material preview or rendered

[hazy falcon]

If I go into the other ones:

XD

I've already done UV mapping as well, so I still have no idea why it is not being rendered.

This is my current workspace

Only with these settings am I able to view anything

Woops, actually forgot to UV that one, just did the UV now, but still not solved and unable to render the actual texture thing inside of the principle bsdf node

Actually it really might be because of a rendering issue and not something in the nodes, I'll take a look at it tomorrow then. Thanks Sacred!

[tribal goblet]

Can someone help me

I made socks but they dont move along with the body

im in blender and using pose mode

[azure rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR_Vke__voU

[tribal goblet]

i dont get it

i still need help

[devout scroll]

they're not weighted to the bones

so you don't have to manually weight paint them to the bones you can transfer weights from the legs to the socks

[spiral sigil]

I have done absolutely nothing in the last 3 weeks

[tribal goblet]

how..?

[tough plover]

in object mode, click the body mesh, shift click the socks mesh, then switch to weight painting mode
then, do Weights >Transfer weights
set the mode to "Nearest Face Interpolated"
set Source layers to "By name"
set destination layers to "All layers"
then if you have CATS installed, hit "Delete: Zero weight groups" under Model options > More options

[tribal goblet]

How do I switch to weight painting mode

Also thanks

also that

didnt work

wait

wait

[tribal goblet]

didnt work me me

[tough plover]

make sure the socks mesh is parented to your main armature (can hold shift and drag in the hierarchy onto the armature)

and make sure the socks have an armature modifier on them, with "Object" set to your armature

leave the modifier there, don't apply it

[tribal goblet]

K

If this doesnt work when im back on my pc ill tell you

[tribal goblet]

@tough plover You're a lifesaver

thanks

[tough plover]

👍

[tribal goblet]

got both socks working

[snow fern]

You can also do this with a data transfer modifier which always feels safer to me.
(Also trying to pose your model while the data transfer modifier is active but not applied is amusing, because it keeps actively transfering weight even as you pose, so eventually your model tears off as the weights quit transfering)

[tribal goblet]

lol

ok i need help with one more thing

im using a shoes model but they wont move

when i use move tool nothing happens

[spiral sigil]

making vrchat avatars from scratch, whats better for making the body and head, sculpting or doing it the ol fashioned way?

[snow fern]

you mean sculpting+retopo vs building with good topo from the beginning?

[spiral sigil]

yea

I think

[tribal goblet]

my b i had transform snap on

[snow fern]

another option is building a base mesh "the old fashioned way" with good topo and then using a multires modifier so you can sculpt on it at high res and then bake that onto your original lowres

multires modifier is pretty neat

[spiral sigil]

I am gonna look at demo videos for mr modif

[snow fern]

if it helps, it's like the combination of a subdiv modifier plus a blendshape on the subdivided version

but it remembers the modifications at every level, and you can push them up and down the hierarchy

and baking from it is super easy

[spiral sigil]

Oh ok I see what you mean now thats really useful wtf

[tribal goblet]

@tough plover Alright so I got one shoe working with weights but not the other

when i move the leg it was working with it moves both shoes

nvm got it sorry

[tribal goblet]

alright

[spiral sigil]

may someone pls give me a Samurai shoulders for a avatars i cant find any

[ashen forge]

who likes big fucker hands on their avatars to crumple people up into little recyclable balls?

[foggy granite]

aw yes the rcycleable balls my favorite form of people

[lapis herald]

How would you set up a skeleton if you wanted to make something ass tall as slender man full body

Without having the arms and legs super bent to accommodate a users height

[quaint jasper]

Constraints, but even then you'll run in some issues

[spiral sigil]

Hey, im having a problem with my UV mapping. I scale it up but on the model it acts like the texture doesn't exist unless im in that one specific location. I am not sure why this is happening and its really annoying since im trying to fix it from being a 2048x4096 with like 90% empty space (I wasnt responsible for that horrible auto atlasting I didnt make the model and yes thats why its so low resolution)

[quaint jasper]

Did you apply all the transforms first ?

[spiral sigil]

I just applied the transforms on the mesh and it didnt seem to do anything

also if I smart uv project it again onto the texture its doing the same thing

also the texture im unwrapping too is the same one thats connected in the material

i just double checked

ill show ya just so you can be sure of it

ok so I have absolutely no clue why this was happening but in blender, the material was still previewing the old texture despite me switching it

and I had to change it to Toon BSDF from Princibled BSDF

and now it acts normal again

does anyone have any idea why

[devout scroll]

i think it previews the texture that's selected in the shader workspace

so if you have more than one, even if it's not connected to anything but selected, it will display that

if your viewport settings are set to texture

altho that shouldn't be a thing in material preview mode

only in solid

[spiral sigil]

yeah it might of been something weird in the shader nodes

again this isnt my model so who knows what other fuckery they did

like I didnt make it

[tough plover]

there can be multiple UV maps. it's also possible that the material does not have the correct texture assigned

[spiral sigil]

Why is CATS telling me this texture is 23x23? That material is just a Toon BSDF with a texture in the base color that for sure ISNT just 23x23

I am certain this ties into my problem where when I atlas these all with CATS (its all on one mesh already) and only one texture is kept. Also all of the textures tell me its 23x23 but one

and the one that yknow actually tells me the right values is kept in the atlas and everything else is essentially discarded

I dont know if it matters but all the ones that dont work happen to be Toon BSDF where the one that works is a princibled BSDF

I also checked the shader node graphs for each material and nothing seemed abnormal but im not very familiar with it so I might of missed something

doesnt matter what the surface node is I just made one of the Toon BSDFs a Princibled BSDF and it still got its texture discarded in the atlas process

[spiral sigil]

does anyone else even use cats to atlas or do they just do it manually or smth

its still not atlasing correctly btw

[full ice]

I have a few times. The times it has broke for me were when I had any material that was not using an image, only a color for the Base Color. It could also be that you are trying to atlas different image types, png, tga, jpg.

[spiral sigil]

OHH it must be that different img types

ill do the convert to png thing in cats

[quaint jasper]

https://twitter.com/Ruuubick_/status/1442212498489364480

Ruuubick (@Ruuubick_)

A friend showed me @Sailor_Yon's Frog in a Car from Mother 3, instantly got to work and here it is in 3D ! I'll also be running with it in #VRChat so feel free to clone it🐸! https://t.co/ikk0eOwLq5

▶ Play video

Twitter · Sep 26, 2021, 7:40 PM

[spiral sigil]

froge

poor thing doesnt blink

[quaint jasper]

he's too busy being cool

[idle obsidian]

frogs blink ?

because kameleon idk licks its eyeballs for example

[spiral sigil]

I think some have those clear lids things for underwater and that kinda counts

[unique sigil]

How to hide bones on an avatar so can weightpaint without seeing them?

[hallow dove]

how do i fix these things on this model? (I want to use it as a fallback avatar)

[azure rain]

combine your objects together

[hallow dove]

HOW

[azure rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxelGdpMx-w

[hallow dove]

ok

[hallow dove]

it says to click the objetc menu but there is no object menu

I DID IT

LETS GO

[hallow dove]

do you know how i fix this?

[azure rain]

that should be covered by combining your objects together

[hallow dove]

oh ok

ill try to export it now

[spiral sigil]

manual texture atlasing ftw

[foggy granite]

18 materials bruh

[hushed acorn]

I need to learn how to do this

I use CATS and maybe it's been improved (cause I been using an old version till now) but I've had it leave tons of empty space

[median pike]

I haven't touched cats in over two years. Best decision I have ever made tbh

[hushed acorn]

CATS can be useful. I just disable alot of things before doing fix model

[median pike]

There's never a reason for me to press that button as I make my assets from scratch, the only real thing I found useful with cats is the set pose are rest pose feature

[hushed acorn]

Understandable

I use alot of the buttons it has

I've had to flip normals a couple times and it's made it easy.

Also I use the atlas thing cause idk how to do it myself yet.

[inner lake]

A

can someone make this into an avatar for me?

[hushed acorn]

You could see if theirs a port of it from a game.

Or ask on #avatar-search-old

[fresh isle]

I never made an update post when I finished it did I?

[hushed acorn]

epic

[spiral sigil]

ay something unique dont see that often

[crisp crater]

woah what is this

[crisp crater]

where did you get that robloxian model lol

[fresh isle]

Tasque Manager from Deltarune Chapter 2

[thin shadow]

Now that is some excellent topology

[fresh isle]

I need to post a higher quality screenshot of the test of the body but I have a close up of the face

Also the mouth works like this and I'm pretty happy with it. https://gyazo.com/17c697e9a9cbd3e0a9edb61ae926b0a8

[tough plover]

interesting

[median pike]

But blender already has shortcuts for 90% of what cats does. Flip normals is shift N for example

[hushed acorn]

Didn't know that

Thx

[devout scroll]

Actually shift N is recalculate which doesn't flip them but you can check the box to do it

There is a dedicated flip button in the normals menu

Generally you can F3 and search for anything

[tough plover]

alt + N > Flip

redotix is right that a lot of the things CATS does are already part of blender, the point is that in a lot of cases it can help do things faster

and that remaining 10% are things that blender can't really do normally

merging bones and their associated weights is something that CATS makes a lot easier to do

[devout scroll]

yeah and even if you make your own stuff sometimes you might want to reduce bones

also armature merge is nice for when you get two close but one might have extra bones like twist bones and you don't want to just delete them and hope the vert groups match up fine

[tough plover]

mhm

and then there's Bake

[devout scroll]

bake and atlas never worked that well for me so i don't use them

[tough plover]

atlas was meh

Bake worked super well for me

just need to tweak a couple of the settings and you get something really good

[real isle]

I am getting the criticism that the model I made here looks rather masculine. Any tips to fix that?

[tough plover]

I feel like the hair is really flat

like

apart from the long hairs, it looks like a bowl cut

you should add asymmetrical strands of hair

on the top of the head, sides, and some in the front

[real isle]

Ah.

[tough plover]

using toon shading would probably help too

[obsidian nova]

Dead serious advice, look up facial feminization surgery…I never understood how to draw women properly until I fell down that particular rabbit hole.

It’s a messed up process, but learning about it was hugely helpful in figuring out what makes a face masculine or feminine.

[real isle]

For the shader bit, I use Poiymi's.

As for the surgery bit. Wow.

Though I do see the logic.

[obsidian nova]

Weird little things, like, women generally have a lower hairline than men, higher eyebrows, smaller/flatter noses, and less room between their nose & upper lip.

This wiki page was a good starting point…luckily, there are no images and you can just skim past the parts about actual surgery… 💀 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_feminization_surgery

[real isle]

Ah. Intreasting insight. Grim reality of the stuff though, but that's a topic for another time.

[craggy lintel]

Hey guys

Does the Max VRC lens mod have Diff focal lengths, shutter speed, iris control, DB gain, and full frame?

I want to use my cinematography profession in game lol

[spiral sigil]

is this like a camera prefab or something?

[craggy lintel]

Yea

I think so

Cine cam on VRC would be so cool

[spiral sigil]

can you link it to me

[craggy lintel]

And if I could shoot LOG would be sick

[spiral sigil]

probably can gather good info from the source

[craggy lintel]

https://booth.pm/ja/items/1886403

[spiral sigil]

ig u can translate the stuff and the subpages they link u to on that page for the prefab while u wait for someone who knows alot about it

[craggy lintel]

Oh yes

True

[craggy lintel]

Hey all

I want to ADVISE against UV stacking.

It is completely not called for unless you have a specific plan to do it. I would not recommend doing this action unless you're ready for hard painting. Or if you want two parts to be painted exactly the same.

[inland skiff]

What's UV stacking?

[white moth]

Anime messes with me because I see pointed chins as masculine looking

[craggy lintel]

It’s the practice to stack UV’s to create either
A) a more visually pleasing Map
Or B) to create multi mesh textures at once

It’s sorta like telling two meshes in the texturing process to act as one and it can be a big mistake

[azure rain]

and I would honestly say that would be more like to cut down on vram usage by not having to uniquely texture the whole model

or like increasing perceived texture density

[tough plover]

I used UV stacking for the belt loops on the ZPD outfit

worked fine

and looks fine

definitely helped clean up the UV map

[azure rain]

like I'm not particularly sure what's the big problem with UV stacking if you do it properly?

like I could probably find lots of games still doing it

[tough plover]

it's just that it can make painting some parts of the model harder

because painting on one part would paint on all of them

[azure rain]

of course which is why you'd only be wanting to stack symmetrical things not stuff that's going to be textured differently from each other

[craggy lintel]

It’s not good for things you want to paint asymmetrically at all

Just wanted to point it out because ppl don’t

[frank vine]

So im having an issue with backface culling... i want to NOT see through my tent as if the inside doesnt exist. i have multiple objects that do this. ive followed youtube tutorials but after flipping normals i now have the same problem only now i can see into the tent as if the outside isnt there.. Ive tried selecting all the panels that i flipped in edit mode to maybe duplicate and flip to see if that fixes it.. but i cant seem to figure out how? besides clicking on mesh for "duplicate and move" that doesnt work out.. how do i fix this?

Heres after i clicked "face orientation"

[devout scroll]

Never was intended to be. It's used for mirroring mostly

if you're gonna paint either uniquely unwrap or paint only half then mirror

[tough plover]

in that bottom picture, select the visible faces that are red (don't select everything, only what should be visible from the inside)

then do shift + D to duplicate, and while you still have them selected, do alt + N > Flip

[frank vine]

thank ya ill do it that way next time had someone tell me to dup everything and that fixed it but i can see how that wouldnt be optimized. especially since im building for cross platform.

[severe jungle]

I suck at blender and I have a hard time even with yt vids

[silent cargo]

Has anyone here used Google Blocks vr??

[quaint jasper]

You can also use a solidify modifier to help with 0 thickness meshes, but if you don't want that, then just disable backface culling on whichever shader you'll use in unity

Or disable backface culling in blender when making stuff

[craggy lintel]

Keep working it then lol

[spiral sigil]

thank you catmill clark for somehow making my blocky couch curveeyyy

ignore the 52k tris thats irrelevant

[hallow dove]

i exported my own roblox avatar from roblox of course and put it in blender

[crisp crater]

yes but how

[cobalt aurora]

Hey party people, I have been looking into doing a body and face texture from scratch using substance painter, tho one attempt just looks worst then the next, does anyone know any good tutorial video that might help me in that direction or maybe if someone is feeling extra generous give me a Lil tutorial themselves? 👉 👈
Thanks in advance!

[frank vine]

Ayyy so is it safe to delete a "normal map" from my textures without issues? i hear they AREN'T necessary... but they are taking up SO MUCH SPACE, even after compressing ..

[small valve]

unless something has gone horrifically wrong (im talking some real eldritch shit that only drugged up shader programmers could dream of), removing normal maps from your material will not brick the entire asset and it should still upload as expected BUT...it sounds like you do not know what a normal map does, so you should probably understand that first before you make the decision

which i will also explain:

[frank vine]

First thanks for that image and laugh BUT i DID look up what it is/ what it does

[small valve]

alright then

do a before/after of your model and see if it satisfies you

if you would rather keep your model's normal map, compress it better

[frank vine]

The person i get prefab from on patreon makes EVERYTHING high rez like 2k-4k- with like 4 or 5 texture images PER ITEM ... and each image/texture is like 2-5.7 mbs a piece aaand mostly like 0.5- 0.9 AFTER compressing and i simply CANNOT deal with that.. im building for cross compatibility here sobs why there no "lite" version? D:

[frank vine]

How does one..... "Compress better"??? I dropped it down to 1% quality and its STILL 0.5 mbs

[frank vine]

Actually here, look at what i mean.. this one is 0.7 mbs the textures from the prefab ALONE take up MOST of my 50mbs limit for Quest

[small valve]

you should probably just delete the normal map on quest. if crunch compression isnt working out i would reccommend changing the acutal resolution of the texture in unity. also, mess with the compression presets (if its set to high quality it is always going to be really large no matter what, try normal. low tends to not be good for normal maps)

this is for the single 5.3mb texture atlas for my main avatar's normal map

ah, you cant change the compression quality on android, only on pc. but you can still change the resolution of the normal map

[frank vine]

same file

[small valve]

though it may have less than ideal results depending on the material as in the actual texture of what you're going for (gentle gradients such as clothing folds tend to fare better than sharp details like hair strands or engravings)

[frank vine]

Wait... what do you mean you can't change the compressor quality on android? the slider is there, just as it is for pc

[small valve]

not that, this:

[frank vine]

ahhh thought you meant the slider.. i thought that carried over though?

[small valve]

i...dont actually know. id assume it does, try it

50% on low quality

[frank vine]

from what ive seen i thought it did

[small valve]

90% on normal quality at half res

[frank vine]

squints i cant teeeelll lol

[small valve]

0.5mb vs 0.209kb

2k high quality 50%*

[frank vine]

OH! sorry im sleep deprived lmao

[small valve]

1k normal quality 90%

2k low quality 50%

(for reference, 2k high quality at 50% is 5.3mb)

[frank vine]

i cant tell much of a difference in the avatar.. but maybe thats just me??

imma T R Y removing the normal map from this dang bean bag chair .. paws crossed AAAAAAA

Thanks so much for the input!

[small valve]

to be honest i cant either...at least, in the editor

but in VR all of the differences will be come immediately more apparent

thats why for visual quality its best to test in VR and not just in the editor

[frank vine]

i feeeel that lol

[small valve]

which im about to find out

[frank vine]

niiice :3 good experiment i hope

[small valve]

also ive seen that beanbag asset reused so many times

im convinced that either people are using cubed's unity shaders for some reason, everyone else is removing normal maps, or that normal map on there does next to nothing

you can definitely get away with removing the normal map on quest

because i ddi not know it came with one until this point

[frank vine]

hmmm interesting okay :3 thank ya! Im building an Unus Annus world with this prefab

[small valve]

very coOl

[frank vine]

Im getting rid of and compressing stuff to make room for CAMP UNUS ANNUS right outside ! lol i NEED this to work!

[latent raptor]

Working on my personal avatar! Not sure if this is the right channel to post this WIP hah

[quaint jasper]

Looks cool !

[dusty heron]

That’s amazing, even for a WIP

[digital hound]

is this from something, I just stumbled across it in a video

progress

[molten sail]

so its been awhile since i used blender and cats but im trying to somewhat "optimize" my avi but i cant figure out how to properly join armature but leave the meshes and materials separated, i just want to combine the bones into one not the meshes. can anyone tell me what to do? please @ me if anyone has any help since i don't get notifications, thanks alot!

[full ice]

Custom Model Creation, uncheck Join Meshes

[molten sail]

hm ok, i tried that before but i guess i messed somthing up, will do thank you alot!

[full ice]

If the Bones are all named the same, they will all be merged, if any aren't named the same in the Armature being merged into the one you want to keep, those bones will stay. Join meshes just does the same thing as selecting more than one mesh and Ctrl+J, making them a single mesh, which is what you asked about. Materials don't get changed in any of this

[molten sail]

hm alright thank you!

[random whale]

Can I get some help if anyone is free? ;v ; I'm new to this stuff but I'm tryna export a model from blender to unity and for some reason the skirt gets all messed up in unity

[quaint jasper]

are your arms straight ?

I feel like there's some weight paint fuckery going on

[random whale]

i think their straight? I'll look if the weight paint is on them

there isn't any weight paint on the skirt connected to the arms

[past stump]

hihi i need help lol
i wanna do cartoony eyes but everything ive tried just doesnt look right

[small valve]

do you have a reference for what you want these toon eyes to look like

some sort of drawing or anything

as wel as details about what makes these eyes "not look right"

[past stump]

yea i have 2 refs

heres the sketch itself

and heres what im wanting to do

i tried to make the eyelashes and they ended up being messed up due to the curves of the face
then i tried to put the eyes caved inside the head but it looked really uncanny and unexpresive

i would send an image of these attempts but for some reason discord really doesnt like it when my model is in grey

[small valve]

first id like to say that you should revisit inset eyes since they are most common for stylized avatars if you want pupil movements, next to just using planes for eyes. judging from the look on that toriel model it looks like those eyes folllow the same format. its really difficult to nail but when you get it right, it works. example: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/869828593688117288/892471144454701136/VRChat_1920x1080_2021-09-28_01-13-03.692.png

using sharp edges helps a lot. you also want to try and hide as much of the eye contour as you can with the eyelash itself to hide the fact that its inset. a smooth edge like this is probably whats giving her that uncanny chuck-e-cheese vibe:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAh4ELHWEAQOMqD?format=jpg&name=900x900

[past stump]

the model i was wanting to refrence actually did the eyes like this which slightly confused me

but that could just be they cheated a little since the base color was already white

but even then i still really dont know how to do the eyelashes to cover the uncanny look

[quaint jasper]

that's just a mesh on top of the head base

[past stump]

im really new to modeling aha- ;;

[quaint jasper]

just create a new shape out of a new vertex or shape

same way you did your eyes

[small valve]

second, try your best to simplify the planes of the face. undertale characters are definitely more on the toon side of stylized, which swings them further from say, beastars, which although is very stylized is still very much rooted in realistic design choices:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5WuH99G7bqg/maxresdefault.jpg

someone like louis for example has really realistic deer eyes, which are heavily cantered (there is a dramatic angle between them) as a result. it can be tempting to do the same thing since in 2d side profiles of toon characters and even anime characters, a lot of work is done to make the eyes still visible:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81u8kc88fnS.jpg

but the reality is that this side profile needs to be sacrificed a little in 3d. your reference may lead you towards making sure that there is a canter in anime characters, and especially in a lot of animal type characters, but the reality is that it also ends up making the overall face look a little uncanny, kind of like you are looking at it through a fisheye lens.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjQr01vVcAEXEnd.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/577999283916111885/893301475403501568/unknown.png

that's the first ever from scratch base i ever made. next time i do something like this, i would massively simplify the planes of the face so that way the angle between the eyes was close to 0 as it is on most professional 3d models, maybe at most a canter of 2-5.

[small valve]

likely. you could try creating white circles matching the topology of the face underneath, though you still need room for your pupils to move around without clipping. at that point you may want to make them a little more convex, but for that you would need extra room... its likely whoever made that toriel model is either an expert in topology, is not using pupil movements at all (which circumvents the entire issue), or that the normals have been so heavily edited that they have effectively rendered the inset invisible.

[small valve]

forgot to add, you can see in my model pictured first that the eyes are facing directly ahead, and in the toriel model you can see that once again the eyes are cantered by maybe at most an angle of 5.

[past stump]

Hm
alright

[past stump]

ack hold on its blocking my image again for some reason

[past stump]

would you say these planes of the face are too complex then? i did try to keep them simple and optimized besides the mouth where it needed more

[small valve]

here's an exampl eo fwhat i mean when i say simplify the planes of the face:

of course the rules, muscle structure, and anatomy of animal faces is different from human faces

[past stump]

ooh

[small valve]

but the idea of trying to break everything down as much as possible stays the same

especially the idea that most of the face should be a flat or curved / cantered plane facing the same angle (the white part in that image)

this face, while a lot smoother, does follow the same rules

[past stump]

well then i should be fine? as besides the mouth the face is almost flat (as ive adjusted it to be alot flatter inbetween my eye attempts)

[small valve]

yeah it looks fine

oh yeah, i also wanted to show you this

[small valve]

yeah that should just kind of work out. the canter is more dramatic but like, she's a deer. so it should work out

continuing, idk if you have viewed this model with flat shading but you could remove a lot of the uncanny "sunken in" eye look with flat shading and sharp edges around the eye sockets, as seen here:

how on earth was that image explicit

whatever lol

[past stump]

i would do flat shading but then it kinda
screws with the rest of the model
id add a subdivide but it removes alot of detail from the body

[small valve]

ah, thats not what i mean by flat shading

[past stump]

oH

sorry my apologizes as i said im really new to this aha

[small valve]

thats flat normals, but flat shading is what i just sent, where there isnt any shadows at all that would tell detail about your avatar's shape, so all you have to go off of is occlusion and silouette

ur good

everything except for some low poly hard surface objects should be using smooth normals even if youre going for flat shading

[past stump]

alright ty ill try this stuff out :]

[small valve]

yeyeyeye

its likely you will be using flat shading, or hard-edge toon shading, which can circumvent that problem entirely. you can also use normal smoothing on the head and eye sockets as a whole, though it is a little more advanced albeit accessible and achievable enough if you are already modeling

[past stump]

i do plan on using a toon shader, if it works for quest that is

i know shaders are kinda fucky with quest sometimes

[small valve]

quest's toon shader is only flat lit so you'

re good

[past stump]

OK cool ty

[spiral sigil]

does anyone have an absolutely amazing tips to combat lack of inspiration or motivation, or hitting a roadblock on what to learn next and what to go more indepth into

[craggy lintel]

Tbh

[craggy lintel]

I wouldn’t block out your hair like that

Curves look way better!

[small valve]

o yea u right u can do some low poly curves and get some neater lookin hair

[quaint jasper]

That's like 4 different things, which thing is actually your main issue ?

[spiral sigil]

mainly a roadblock on what to learn next

I probably need to start learning sculpting but not sure where to learn to apply that

probably searching the wrong things on youtube

lots of probablys

I have basic familiarity with it and dyn topo I just have no skill for turning it into anything i intend it to for worlds or avatars

[quaint jasper]

You should find one thing you know you want to make and start from there

you acquire the skills for things you actually work on, pointless to learn how to do things that you won't do

Doesn't matter if it's a piece of a world or an avatar, start small, acquire knowledge over time

you'll be there faster than you think

[spiral sigil]

yeah cant let myself be impatient

thank you

[past stump]

I kinda chose to have it that way as I didnt really like the look of curves
I wanted it to be one big thing for simplicity
I dont plan on really animating it or anything anyway

[wicked iris]

Working on an avatar for myself, planning on doing VTuber stuff.
Don't have any good experience in VRC/Unity, so I'll be patient on some feedback for rigging, etc.

[quaint jasper]

Looks great !

[wicked iris]

thank you ❤️

proud of it, feels good transitioning my ocs from drawn to 3D

Just recently joined this server, so I hope I get along here well

[median pike]

I just hope you're keeping the polycount at bay

It is a VR game afterall

[wicked iris]

What's a safe amount of polycount for a model

for vrc?

Will be deleting polys that are unseen

[median pike]

Under 70k

Around 25k is recommended if possible

[wicked iris]

Ok, my model is currently around 44k, but it's not in optimization phase yet, so could be at a more safer count later on

[quaint jasper]

44k is absolutely fine

[median pike]

Yea

[wicked iris]

another question, does VRC support lods for characters

[quaint jasper]

Nope

[median pike]

The image looked very high poly to me for some reason. But than again I have no idea if you will be baking it down or no

Yeah no lods sadly

[wicked iris]

Ah i see, would be cool if they end up being supported

[quaint jasper]

Might be a bit too intensive

[median pike]

Probably never will as 90% of the creators would never make use of them

Most people are completely content with avatars that are 500k polys and have 45 materials

So the game runs like crap :D

[wicked iris]

to me, kinda a shame, I like optimizing stuff
There are ways are limiting players from entering with overly detailed avatars, correct?

[median pike]

Yes

[wicked iris]

cool

[median pike]

Basically avatars get a performance rank depending on what is on the avatar

Toy can choose to block avatars above a certain performance rank

[wicked iris]

I see 👌
Also, to clarify, don't have VRC right now, but am looking forward to getting my mind used to it

[median pike]

Though again 90% of the players, at least on pc are "very poor" which is the worst performance rank. So if you choose to block them you won't be able to see most peoples avatars

[wicked iris]

ok, understood.

how my wireframe looks so far

[quaint jasper]

[wicked iris]

Might do multiple versions of my avatar to pick, with different levels of detail

[quaint jasper]

Did you triangulate it already or is that with a triangulate modifer/shaded view with wireframe ?

[wicked iris]

modifier with shaded view

wireframe enabled in view

[median pike]

Topology lookin good

[quaint jasper]

So pretty

[wicked iris]

thanks ❤️ Been fooling around with Blender for a while

Mindset of mine is making sure it all flows nicely with lots of quads

also, am a sucker for detail

[median pike]

Finally someone that knows how to cut holes properly in to a mesh

[wicked iris]

yep lol, boolean modifier

Can't stand it when I see odd normals on the surface

[latent raptor]

Very clean. Heres mine so far

[devout scroll]

Well we technically got one LOD

Performance blocked sends your avatar straight to the fallback brush avatar

Or if you used cats to decimate it to good quest rank

[dapper cobalt]

yesss new fallback system is pog

[thin shadow]

https://streamable.com/u50zny
why does it do that when i try to bevel the side? must've something to do with the mesh not sublime enough for bezel. If so, how do i clean it up

[devout scroll]

is your scale applied?

and also you have a giant ngon

you might want to connect some edges into quads and triangles

[thin shadow]

i think i have skipped a few steps

i might think of different approaches, like separating the segments into smaller pieces

[devout scroll]

https://puu.sh/IfiqO/3c1da2860a.png

[thin shadow]

yeap the topology in this thing needs more workaround

[idle obsidian]

That looks fine bro, check mine

True optimization

[devout scroll]

poggers

[maiden phoenix]

any blender gods in here?

that can help a degenerate like me lol

[idle obsidian]

Yes, giv me your model and I will make it like above

True optimization

[maiden phoenix]

i dont want it optimized i'm just trying to figure out how to bind clothing to stuff ;3;

[idle obsidian]

Try auto dresser on both

[maiden phoenix]

auto dresser? O-o

[idle obsidian]

Japanese magic

[maiden phoenix]

is.. that a plugin?

[idle obsidian]

Ye

For unity

[maiden phoenix]

oh uhhh okay

[idle obsidian]

You want to bind clothing to you r character right?

[maiden phoenix]

yes

i already have the clothing i want

[tough plover]

would recommend doing it in blender, not unity

there is most likely more tweaking needed than just putting the clothes on

[idle obsidian]

Well auto dresser is made for clothes designed for your character

People often sell additional costumes

[tough plover]

that's expecting that the clothes are already made to fit a specific model

perfectly

[maiden phoenix]

so i'll need blender

[tough plover]

but that is typically not the case

[idle obsidian]

Still good tool

[tough plover]

any kind of model edits like that should be done in an actual 3d modeling program

like Blender

definitely a valuable skill to learn

[maiden phoenix]

thats what i'm trying to do lol

but.. so many things are on the screen it makes me dizzy ;-;

[tough plover]

I know exactly what you mean

the more time you spend in it though, the more sense everything starts to make

[idle obsidian]

I would rather never leave unity because I always break models in blender and it's billion times slower

[tough plover]

...what lol

Unity is a game engine, not a modeling program

[idle obsidian]

You can do lots of stuff in unity like mesh edit or texture edit in real-time lol

It's just convenient

[tough plover]

that doesn't make it better than dedicated programs

[maiden phoenix]

;3;

i just need someone to help me through it lmao

kinda.. stuck at one part and i tried watching countless tutorials on YT

[tough plover]

I could but I'm at work right now

and after work I need to texture a tiki hut roof for cnlohr's ballpit world

[oak hatch]

Slooowly, new public bot avatar.

[tough plover]

looks great

[maiden phoenix]

dang

[craggy lintel]

Hey guys

Complicated software question

Does Blender/unity create big Cache files?

[quaint jasper]

Lighting GI cache can be very large over time if you bake lightmaps/lightprobes often in Unity, other than that no

But even if it was that, it's not invisible files, so it's something else on your computer

[thin shadow]

try to use tree sizer to see

[dapper cobalt]

linux is also a solid choice if it's an option for you

[maiden phoenix]

In blender right, you go to your cats plug-in thingy and click fix avatar to yknow fix everything. But for me it's like turning the model into a silhouette or something?

[dreamy epoch]

Fix model should mostly be used on specific types of models, most commonly MMD. In other cases it might break stuff if you don't check what it is supposed to do.

[spiral sigil]

Is there anyway that I can make an ocean work once I get it into unity that moves via a displacement modifier on a subdivided plane and its coordinates are controlled by an empty game object

because when I import it to unity and move the empty it doesnt affect the plane at all which I guess makes sense since it doesnt support blender modifiers

nevermind

[quaint jasper]

a specific shader could do that but you'd need to find/commission one

[spiral sigil]

yeah I dont want to make a shader with like idk a flipbook of 100 states

[spiral sigil]

no water needed but it kinda is bland :{

[quaint jasper]

could be clouds

[spiral sigil]

YES good idea

[tough plover]

mochie's water shaders look good

[spiral sigil]

i will try mochie soon

[lilac crater]

I'm actually pretty proud of this chair

[wicked iris]

the sketches I used for reference

[errant furnace]

let's say you have a chain on an avatar that you just want to move around. what is the best you can do with it to make it move?

[foggy granite]

Dynamic bones

[jovial pebble]

Can anyone tell me why using data transfer to make custom normals completely break/remove shape keys?

[tough plover]

@jovial pebble it's a modifier isn't it

you can't normally apply a modifier to meshes with shape keys

so when you export, blender discards the shape keys and applies the modifiers

the fix is to use ApplyModifierForMeshWithShapeKeys

a Python script add-on to do just what it says

[jovial pebble]

Is it an addon for Blender?

If yes can you give a link to it?

[devout scroll]

You can do data transfer as an operator

It doesn't have to be a modifier

Just F3 and search for it

@jovial pebble

[craggy monolith]

hello I have a question because when I play vr chat I get robots you must of people

[oak notch]

what's going on with the nose, it's visible in unity aswell under the correct lighting

[quaint jasper]

using a mirror modifier ?

Might have to assign your normal manually for that vertex if not

[past cloak]

made all the polys connect so it's one object

[foggy granite]

What’s the poly count

[past stump]

im so terified to rig but this is what i got so far

[warm fox]

is there anyone who has free time to set me in the right track to making a avatar

[past stump]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSjFpQ6OxyAUcRerrGyyAKeQ_KjXG9JjN

this series will help

[warm fox]

ty

[small valve]

rlly good compared to a few days ago, nice work 0u0

rigging is either going to be a small or large pain in the ass for stylized avatars but for someone like her it should be somewhat okay. hands are the most tedious, shoulders are the most frustrating. everything else is managable, with each joint having unique challenges but ones you can figure out. except for shoulders because shoulders are fucking stupid but, its f i n e

[past stump]

im just super worried about the face

i might just have someone else do the rigging for me because its just
not clicking in my brain :(

[small valve]

rigging the face is the last tricky bit actually. your main issues more than getting the bones down is doing it without the normals messing up under deformation. had that problem last time and because i did not look up actual face rigging tutorials i put up with it and was like "welp guess im going to have sketchy shadows every time i close my eyes 😔 "

be smarter than me. learn how to rig faces, adn dont just assume you can do it because Oh I Can Rig An Entire Body Myself except for shoulders Without Mixamo

[merry vault]

To me the rigging diffcultly depends on how the actual model's verts are set up, like if there's a lot of verts at joints for the kness and elbows etc.

[small valve]

the secret to good rigging honestly is its synergestic with good topology. if your topology is not good, no amount of rigging will save it.

[past stump]

ive never rigged anything before

this is like
my first model

[merry vault]

I could help rig but I only like doing my own stuff in my own time.

[small valve]

also depends a little on being smart about bone placement but thats the easier part

[past stump]

id like to say my topology is decent

but idk

the hood is where it gets a bit messy but eh

[small valve]

youll be fine. id say try to make the loops on her sleeve align more with her arm (forgot the exact keys you need to push) but everything else should be fine.

you can just weigh the entire hood to your chest

or thats what i would do 0u0

[merry vault]

Doesn't look too hard. The hardest part might be the elbows/shoulders.

[past stump]

yeaaa thats where i got a bit lost

[small valve]

what i meant when i said align the loops to the arms* a little more

[past stump]

id fix it
but it might fuck with my uvs
and i really dont wanna remake the textures

[quaint jasper]

If you edge slide, the UVs will be fine

[merry vault]

What's an edge slide?

[quaint jasper]

Pressing G twice

[merry vault]

🤔

[quaint jasper]

wait nvm, not edge slide, i'm thinking of another method that's non destructive

[small valve]

g twice. if you hit E it will match the shape to the adjacent edge loop, you can choose which one to align to with F. i believe what you would want to do is start by using even on the loop to the very edge of the sleeve and working up from there to realign every loop. clamp (alt or C) may also help

worse case scnario depending on the texture you can always rebake her coat

[past stump]

good enough for now ig

i just really wanted to get this done today fr
i thought id be able to grasp rigging just fine but it honestly has me extremely stressed

been workin on this shit for 20 days now 😔

[small valve]

should prob take a breather. rigging is one of the trickier parts, and also one of the less interesting parts for most people unless theyre like. animators. or me, because i like rigging 0u0

[past stump]

yeaa
ive literally enjoyed everything else but this

cos im more creative then technical

[merry vault]

I don't really find rigging hard. Just time consuming.

[small valve]

the good news is that if youre doing the bare minimum for vrchat, vrchat does not ask you to do much. you really only need to get creative with rigging if youre going to have stuff like eye blinking and mouth movements, but thats about it. me personally, im an idiot, so i did my first facial animations completely with proportional editing and not with an actual rig. why? who fuckin knows 0u0

[past stump]

i wanna mimic some of the sprites of this character tbh

[small valve]

i did want to learn how to rig faces really well the next time i modeled anatomy however after finding some very interesting black magic from twitter artists

[merry vault]

The thing that pisses me off is making face flexes it just takes SO LONG.

[small valve]

https://twitter.com/MelindaOzel/status/1430217134496489482

Melinda Ozel (@MelindaOzel)

Been seeing a lot of rigs showcasing eye movement, but many of them lack the subtle changes that make ocular motion interesting.

Things to keep in mind 💡

1️⃣ The plica semilunaris is not stationary! It contracts and stretches with eye movement.
2️⃣ . . . https://t.co/rSP6wAF1xi

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this for example is something i would adore to add onto koyuki or one of my future avatars

[past stump]

suffering pain pain suffering

[merry vault]

The funny deer.

[past stump]

i also wanted to do (ch 2 spoilers) her ||snowgrave|| animation as a toggle but i feel
like if i cant even get the rig done doing that will be impossible lol

[spiral sigil]

oh no i need to leave i havent watched jackspedieceys playthrough yet

no spoil pls

[small valve]

i dont know what that is but if its like a prop or something thats actually much easier to do than rigging

[past stump]

its an attack animation

[small valve]

once you get into unity things very quickly become a breeze

[past stump]

i can send a video of it if youd like

[small valve]

perhaps

if you like already animate then you just need to learn how unity works on a technical level, a little bit about sdk3, and then go from there

but that is in the f u t u r e

[merry vault]

Reminds me how I want to make a low poly Spamton model but I'm lazy and haven't started it yet.

And I bet someone's already done that in 5 seconds of the game's release.

[past stump]

deltarune ch2 spoilers ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7izeWzy0Z-g&t=5s&ab_channel=salasmisto||

just the first battle

[merry vault]

But my friend made a model of Queen so that's cool.

[[not mine]]

[past stump]

i also wanted to make a toggle for her to have like
white finger trails to look like ice powers i dunno

[small valve]

yeah if you ||want to fly around like a scary bitch youd have to know how to animate characters. but literally everything else, the fx, the snow, the ice box - all of that can be done really easily with particles. the only thing im unfamiliar with is how to collide with player capsules as an avatar - if thats even possible - which if it isnt, its going to be very easily possible in t he very next major update whcih should be coming before the end of this year. but other than trapping people in ice, you can very easily do the snow n shit after learning unity particle systems for like an hour, and then figure out how to synergize everythign after messing with sdk3 for another hour||

deltarune spoilers

[past stump]

oh i didnt want the ||ice capsule||, just everything else lol

[merry vault]

I can make Unity particles but probably not really crazy shit.

[past stump]

i can probably figure out the unity stuff fine
seems straight forward enough

and ive animated in sfm
so i know how to animate

i just cant rig lol

[merry vault]

Have you tried compiling models for sfm?

[past stump]

nope

[merry vault]

Good.

So that means you're sane.

[past stump]

hjbjdfnkdn

[merry vault]

But if anyone by some rare chance needs to compile a model for Source then tell me about it.

[past stump]

lmao

[wicked iris]

definitely will be lowering the detail for multiplayer lol

[craggy lintel]

Does anyone know the solution to gravity hair but not the hair being pulled down?

[craggy lintel]

https://gyazo.com/0be9871357733fc1056e84a982f4072b

Would like some help with this..

please lmk!

[ashen stag]

How are you trying to get the hair to be pulled down? The gravity parameter of dynamic bones only works if rotated from its rest position where as the force parameter is always active

[craggy lintel]

Gravity parameter never renders for me in playmode..

@ashen stag

And I’m one of the rare ppl who actually bought dynamicbones

[ashen stag]

Just stop using gravity, I always just use force

[uneven bramble]

yep

[spiral sigil]

Hey I wanna commission someone but the only way I can pay is through steam items

[craggy lintel]

Yeee but I am tho

It just deforms my sculpted hairs

as I sent previously

Left is force applied and right is no force applied

[ashen stag]

What do the bones look like? If they are already pointed downwards then nothing is going to happen if you dont move the model

[brazen depot]

is this where i can ask help about why my avatar body and head is messed up....? I never used blender before

[quaint jasper]

messed up how ?

[quaint jasper]

Did you try to join two different things together ?

[brazen depot]

mhm the head wasn't from the body at the first place (sorry for my english)

[quaint jasper]

In that case you need to use Cats armature merge, the head should have its own bone

[brazen depot]

mhm i merged it with Cats

[quaint jasper]

what does the armature list look like ?

[brazen depot]

like this (btw thank you so much for helping me)

[quaint jasper]

Try opening spine and check if there's chest > neck > head

also how many meshes you're left with after

[quaint jasper]

Is the head one of these meshes ?

[brazen depot]

material8 is the whole body (without any clothes)

[quaint jasper]

Join all those you want, and rename that to Body

[brazen depot]

like this?

[quaint jasper]

Yep, now try rotating the spine bone again

[brazen depot]

same probleme :(

[quaint jasper]

Alright, in that case, select the body in edit mode, select a single vertex on the face, and select Item in the side panel you open with the N key, it should show you what vertex groups those vertices are under

[quaint jasper]

Ah, do you have a vertex group called head in your vertex group list ?

the upside down green triangle on the side menu

[brazen depot]

mhm

oh wait

I do

[quaint jasper]

what happens when you press "Select" at the bottom of that menu ?

[quaint jasper]

Oh boy

In that case i'd suggest going back to where you were earlier with everything not combined

[foggy granite]

why is the skirt so dense

[quaint jasper]

running the translation with Cats on everything first

[quaint jasper]

Probably disable the checkbox and then translate all

[brazen depot]

it says i got ban by google translate...?

[quaint jasper]

?

[spiral sigil]

oh because CATS uses google translate

did you spam the button?

google translate might of got mad at you for that

rate limiting and all that

[brazen depot]

i clicked it once

[quaint jasper]

I wonder if it thought there was a bad word in there

Can you ask in https://discord.gg/zRd4m2Ev

[brazen depot]

mhm

[quaint jasper]

Fixing the head would be easy, but as we saw, your chest is also weight painted to your head, so its a whole big mess

Where was the head before btw ?

Did it have an armature ?

[brazen depot]

In all honesty, should i redo everything?

i can try to work with the body only, i saved it in another file

[quaint jasper]

Yeah it would be good to make sure everything is correct first before trying to merge other parts in

from the names being translated and the vertex groups being correct

[brazen depot]

thank you so much

[quaint jasper]

np, lmk if you eventually figure it out !

[dense nova]

How do I get rid of this weird darkspot at the tip of the beak?

[brazen depot]

is there something I shouldn't check?

[quaint jasper]

Worth saving and trying again if it doesn't work, but that seems correct, merging all bones might help if it doesn't work like that

[brazen depot]

damnit same probleme

is there a way i can make it so my head is considered the head?

[foggy granite]

It won’t affect the texture but it would affect how modifier interact with the mesh I reccomd just start with a cube subdivided a couple times

[craggy lintel]

Hey, they follow the lines of the hair unfortunately

It’s just my rigging style

To have bones not physically touching hair, I just hate the process for it

[coral island]

got bored so I made a donut, then I made this...

[brazen depot]

i think the problem came from wrong names so i renamed some but i still got problems

[quaint jasper]

glad you're solving it ! That's why merging multiple items from different places is difficult, because they are often built differently

[brazen depot]

im ready to give up-

[drowsy rune]

so this happened when I was previewing blendshapes in unity and I'm certain its an issue in blender.
How can I fix this?

[craggy lintel]

Kiteman

[quaint jasper]

All shapekeys ?

[quaint jasper]

Which issues do you have left ?

[devout scroll]

the end is too sharp. select the pointy vertex and bevel it with ctrl+B then V for vertex bevel

[dense nova]

Thanks!

[grave forum]

Keep it looks cool

Make a great meme avatar

[wicked iris]

This is why I don't take my sketches up for granted, final look always tend to be slightly different proportion wise

[spiral sigil]

Guys I wanna get into blender modeling how do I start?

[devout scroll]

There's thousands of beginner tutorials on youtube

Watch a bunch, find someone you like the teaching style of and get a basic understanding of blender

[spiral sigil]

Ok thanks

[thin shadow]

by downloading it first

[gloomy cipher]

I have found something and i must make it a reality

[wicked iris]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-leaving-walk-out-walk-away-gif-12008922

[gloomy cipher]

sus

[rough lintel]

Nasus

[gloomy cipher]

Ah, susman, we've been expecting you in the reactoooor....

[wicked iris]

might've nailed the shape of the legs

[main gull]

Someone able to create this for me? Darker brown hair

[lyric nimbus]

Anyone open?

I have a request

[quaint jasper]

https://ask.vrchat.com/c/commissions/avatar-commissions/35 @lyric nimbus@main gull

[spiral sigil]

pain machine 🙃

[idle obsidian]

no

[quaint jasper]

That's a lot of material

[spiral sigil]

must be all those wires

[spiral sigil]

context:

but w h y

[devout scroll]

nice 3d printer

[spiral sigil]

Mom pick me up I’m scared

[exotic obsidian]

Should I be glad to not know what that is/does?

[tame sinew]

I have a model of a skull, but there’s this weird bump on the bottom that I can’t take off. Can anybody help?..

[brazen depot]

i was wondering if anyone know how to merge a skirt with physics on my body

[tough plover]

physics is typically done with dynamic bones, all that requires is for the skirt to be rigged

if your skirt has an armature and you are trying to merge it to your main model's armature, that can easily be done in blender

some more context and screenshots would be helpful

[brazen depot]

mhm give me a second

so im basically wondering how to merge this skirt on my body. The skirt have bones and when i merge and fix the character, the bones disapear

[tough plover]

oh jesus fuck the amount of bones

[brazen depot]

TuT should i abandon the bones?

[tough plover]

no, you should reduce the amount of bones

[brazen depot]

oo

[tough plover]

by for example, merging every other one into the one above it

[brazen depot]

i- idk how to do that

is it this?

[tough plover]

hm

not what I was thinking of but maybe that could work, I was not aware of that option

let me test it

[brazen depot]

tyvm

is this a good result?

[merry vault]

My god what are you doing?

[tough plover]

that does look a lot better

however

[brazen depot]

awesome, i dont need much physics on my body

[tough plover]

it seems to have only reduced the amount of bones in each chain

[brazen depot]

skirt*

[tough plover]

not the amount of chains in total

3-4 bones per chain and like 5-6 chains would be optimal I think

[brazen depot]

should i erase some manually?

[tough plover]

I would probably go the manual way

[brazen depot]

thanks

[tough plover]

I can call and show you an example

[brazen depot]

ill try and then see if a call would be useful

im not verbally comfy in general

[tough plover]

blender is still a complex piece of a software and trying to explain where everything is over text is not always easy

[tough plover]

seems a lot better

did you delete the bones or did you merge them

deleting them is an issue

[brazen depot]

oh

lemme spam ctrl z XD

[tough plover]

because there are still vertex groups on the skirt's mesh that are referencing those bones

merging with CATS also assigns the vertex weights to the bone you're merging with

[brazen depot]

i think i will look for a new skirt

[tough plover]

why?

that one will be fine after some optimization

can't expect everyone online to be putting out top quality work for free

[brazen depot]

im scared to mess up

i know

[tough plover]

the worst that can happen is you need to go back to an earlier point

blender keeps autosaves

[brazen depot]

o

[brazen depot]

O_O

i didnt know this-

thanks

well if you really dont mind i would appreciate the call and the guidance, but i dont wanna be of any trouble

[tough plover]

I already whipped up a demo scene

[wintry vector]

do you know how to weight paint a model that occludes itself in the viewport?

does anyone know?

like if one part of the mesh blocks another part of the mesh that needs to be weight painted

and its all kinda clustered

[tough plover]

select the part of the mesh you want to weight paint in edit mode, go to Weight paint mode and enable either one of these

[wintry vector]

@tough plover Thank you. I've been doing blender for over a year and this was a major roadblock for me which is why I avoided weightpainting

[tough plover]

another pro tip: before entering weight paint mode, click on the armature first and then shift click the mesh. once in weight paint mode, ctrl + click bones to select the bones and the associated vertex group

you can then manipulate the bones using R to test the weights

[wintry vector]

yep

[tough plover]

note that it doesn't work if you have either face selection or vertex selection enabled

I recommend creating shortcuts to enable/disable those, I have mine on the keys 1 and 2

[wintry vector]

is there any way to hide the rest of the mesh while you weight paint only selected verticies?

[tough plover]

you could enable X ray mode while still in edit mode

you could also do ctrl + I to invert the selection, H to hide them, then A to select everything before going back into weight paint mode

[wintry vector]

ah, this

@tough plover how do we unhide them when we're done

[tough plover]

alt + H

[wintry vector]

these two tricks are going to make this so much easier lol

[gloomy cipher]

Now, now, if you follow standard insertion procedures, everything will be fine.

[ripe escarp]

first time 3d modelling, following dikkos series and its going pretty well

[forest garden]

Hi guys, just asking kind of noob question here, sorry 😄

I'm trying to put some 3D models into unity, those models we ripped from Xenogears by people much more klnowledgeable than me

The issue I have is that for some models, transparency is not rendered properly, while it should work.

When putting an asset into unity, is there something particular to do to force transparency ?

I wonder if i made a mistake importing it.

The only thing i'm making is 1) drag and drop the file into the scene / rotating this / select all and put a mesh collide so that the player does not fall of.

i end up with this :

while it should be this :

Also, as you can see, the textures are a bit blurry, could this be because of the scaling?

[spiral sigil]

this first one looks like you need cutout on your shader

[wicked iris]

I barely have any Unity experience, but I can say, the textures should be fine, it's just the texture blur filter is enabled by default.
Best I could say is find the shader/texture settings that enables the alpha transparency and filter

[forest garden]

Oh there are shaders, i did not see

i'll disable anything then, let's try. thanks guys ❤️

[wicked iris]

this hair has 14K polygons, 50% of how much the body has lmao
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664340987430174720/894915313349574686/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664340987430174720/894915394861670400/unknown.png

once it's all done, I'll remove all the polygons that are hidden underneath

[spiral sigil]

the hair do be like that

[wicked iris]

how it looks on the character

still adding some extra strands to improve the shape to how I want it

[forest garden]

beautiful, congratz 🙂

[wicked iris]

thx ❤️

here's a full shot of him so far

[forest garden]

Ok

so I was able to go to the shader thing

I'm pretty sure the "opaque" rendering is the issue, but I cannot change it

doesnt do anything when i try to change optinos... Any clue?

with 'edit shader' i get this

which does not seem to lead anywhere, 0 option again :/

(ok found how to remove filter from textrue, going forward)

stioll strugling with transparency

[tough plover]

you don't edit shaders, you edit materials. materials are using shaders to determine how an object is rendered

as for transparency, you either need to use the alpha of the texture itself as transparency, or use an alpha map (depending on how the game was made)

[forest garden]

Yep for the no shader thing i edited the texture input

here by putting 'no filter' in Filter mode in stead of bilinear

I tried "alpha is transparency" but it does give anything yet, and i don't know how to edit this alpha

[tough plover]

careful, "material" is not the same thing as "texture"

a texture is an image, a material is something applied to a mesh which takes as input textures and other values and is governed by a shader to determine how an object is rendered

[forest garden]

Ok yes, this way diff alpha can be defined for diff objects i guess

then my issue remains that for materials, i cannot edit them

[tough plover]

that's because it's trying to use materials included with the FBX

[forest garden]

would like to change in these options, for instance opaque > transparency, but i can do anything

[tough plover]

you either need to create new materials and assign them, or you can click "Extract materials" in the model's import settings

when you click that, it'll prompt you to select a folder. make a new one called "Materials"

it'll then create new materials for every material slot on the mesh(es), assign them, and dump them into the folder.

[forest garden]

Oh ok, and if I have a "level" made up of materials placed in good places, with right textures etc

( . dae file)

will there be also a new dae in this new folder with all the new materials ?

[tough plover]

no, it'll assign the materials to the original .dae

[forest garden]

Or will i have to swap themm all manually?

oh ok, even better

well, thanks a lots 🙂 trying to get this done asap (good that we did not made too much worlds already, sincewe now have almost to restart from begining)

thanks a lot

hope it'll work 🙂

[oak hatch]

Taking an old gun model I made and cleaning it up for use w/ an avatar. Sub 2k tris.

Need to make a holster, and redo the UV mapping

[spiral sigil]

looks like a p2020

is there a resource with lots of gun schems?

[oak hatch]

Yessss. But also a bit of CZ

Yes, my workshop, lmao

[spiral sigil]

giv

me your guns

[oak hatch]

Melon Lobe! Cold dead hands! Reee 🤣

But yeah, having them makes doing some of this stuff so much easier.

And since they are currently gathering dust, because ammo prices; might as well use them to design some cool stuff.

[spiral sigil]

Yeaaaa

[oak hatch]

Next model will be a MacDaddy sorta thing with a little AFG. Basically a SciFi tec9

[spiral sigil]

Mac10v

?

[spiral sigil]

what the

hell

[oak hatch]

Yes

[spiral sigil]

are those all practical attachments???

geez