3d-modeling

[ashen stag]

Oh whoops didnt notice it was already answered smh

But you should look into texture baking so that your look isnt tied to just blender, once you have the textures it can work anywhere

[floral raven]

Can someone tell me where I can find my pfp its my pfp on everything

[radiant ridge]

Another question in Blender how can I make a Mirrored object two separate objects?

[tough plover]

@radiant ridge you mean like, after applying the mirror modifier, take the mirrored half and separate it?

[radiant ridge]

i got it just a little bit ago.

sorry i forgot to say something

[tough plover]

np

[radiant ridge]

So when I tried baking my materials they just rendered black.

[languid fog]

wtf is that hahaha

weird

maybe it is the solidify

[small valve]

all assets are done

time to T E X T U R E

[azure rain]

that looks like a reasonable triangle count hope your texturing goes well

[small valve]

thanky

[worldly tangle]

Modelling the first "Automatic" Rifle(/Revolver) for my 12th avatar (Merhon and Hollingsworth M1855)

[obsidian nova]

More-or-less done modelling the bones for this tiny hangout world. Thought I'd share.

[worldly tangle]

The first ever 3d model of the "Automatic" M1855 Mershon & Hollingsworth Rifle (🇺🇸)

Verts: 885
Edges: 1,625
Faces: 764
Tris: 1,722

[cobalt aurora]

Sup guys, having a small issue, i cut this mesh apart some time ago, but had to stitch it back together using cats, tho now im running into the issue that eventhough i molded it back together it seems like these parts are still registering as seperate pieces, anyone a idea how to fix this?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/390924397726138370/858420223019581450/unknown.png

I seperated it by using the bisect tool, tho a bit later i realized that i cut out too much, when i merged it back together using Cats this what it looks like now everytime i go into sculpt mode.

and now that these "shapes" are there i can seperate the Body by loose shapes

The main issue for me is, is that the edges mess with the weightpaint, which makes it unable for me to get smooth transitions

[white moth]

I discovered that "Transfer Weights" in blender works much better if you temporarily subdivide the model you're transfering from like 20x times, transfer weights, then revert the subdivision.

Is there any way to mimick this without the subdivision?

[tough plover]

@white moth you can just set it to Nearest Face Interpolated

rather than Nearest Vertex

there are cases where one is preferable over the other

jacket that you fit onto the model? face interpolated

skintight fishnets that match the body topology? nearest vertex

[white moth]

I tried that but the results were actually different from, and not as good as, subdivision spam

For making clothes not clip with the underlying body

[white moth]

In vert mode, select all non-manifold and it should highlight the he hard edges. De-select any that are actually important and meant to be there, like lips or eye sockets. Then run merge by distance.

[spiral sigil]

anyone got a protogen model for blender

[devout scroll]

It's a paid model

[quick egret]

I need help. So in Blender ** i am merging my armature ( model ) with the top outfit ( wich becomes a toggle) so i unselect join meshes and select ** Merge all bones But when i do that i get this error suddenly. Does annyone know why its like this?

[dreamy epoch]

If you are in Edit mode then switch to Object mode and try again. At least this is what allows me to merge armatures most of the time.

[quick egret]

nope its still gives the same error for some reason.

This is how it looks like atm

@dreamy epoch

[tough plover]

@quick egret what blender version are you using

[quick egret]

Blender 2.83 @tough plover

[feral veldt]

I'm not sure if this is a right place for the question. I'm sorry if it's a wrong place and please redirect me to the right place. So my question is that I'm trying to make a tire. But I don't know how to put on the multi textures on an object like this one. Tire treads on the sides and a rim on the front and back. I checked the internet and couldn't find anything helpful.

[quaint jasper]

You need specific UVs

[feral veldt]

Can you please show me how?

Btw I have ProBuilder

[quaint jasper]

Ah, i don't think that's possible with probuilder

[feral veldt]

Really? I'm watching a tutorial right now. It's possible with ProBuilder

[quaint jasper]

To make custom UVs ? I've never heard of that, cool if possible though

[feral veldt]

Hmm. What about you? Can you show me how to do it?

[quaint jasper]

I don't know of any way to do that in Unity

[feral veldt]

Ah, ok

I guess I'll watch more tutorials and figure it out on my own

[tough plover]

@feral veldt you should be doing that in blender

if you want to have any control over how to texture it, you need to UV unwrap it

[feral veldt]

I see. I'm new to Blender too XD

[tough plover]

a tire is a simple enough starter project

[feral veldt]

ah, i figured it out now.

yeah, i used the UV editor on ProBuilder

[spiral sigil]

is this a place to ask for help?

I commissioned a model from someone but they don't know why the model imports in Unity/VRChat with parts of the body facing backwards

even my tech savvy bro doesn't know what's up

I think it might be armature or something

[quaint jasper]

screenshots ?

[quaint jasper]

Put your chest bone in

[spiral sigil]

these are screenshots she took btw

chest bone?

[quaint jasper]

It's not in the unity mapping configuration, right side

[spiral sigil]

(I am not very familiar with this process, hence why I sought out someone to do this haha

oh my, I will ask if she could do that

this is their response about it

[small valve]

posting for gen chat

[small valve]

whitty

i like him

[loud pivot]

whitt

thanks

[onyx berry]

Have you deleted the polygons that are hidden by the clothing? And you can definitely lower the resolution on the hair.

Can we see the wireframe?

[small valve]

done, done, the distance from the hair makes it hard to see how many triangles it is. if anything, i feel like it might be slightly under detailed for VR purposes, and im gonna try to hide it with shader magic

the assets all together are 25k triangles, and that combined with the base im using (Koyuki) brings this avatar to a total of 50k, and id rather it not get higher than that

[onyx berry]

Wait, could you set the viewport settings like this, that's hard to see

[small valve]

it is set like that

i can just get closer

yuuuuniform (the vest does not have triangles, the white shirt does have triangles because the entire uniform will be togglable with that being the only article of clothing left

[onyx berry]

Put it in solid mode

[small valve]

ah

shoooooz

hair

i might actually go through and lower the across-detail of the backhair

now that i look at it

also, get ready for sketchy topology

that i still need to adjust by the looks of it

[onyx berry]

You could get rid a lot of the loops on the hair and use prerendered cards for the thinner smaller strands.
And for the sweaters and vests you could bake that to the body mesh itself.

[tough plover]

baking it would not look nearly as good

depth is important

[small valve]

this. id rather not bake stuff like that. i already know what i plan to use as texture and what im going to add as normal

at some point im going to be messing with cloth in order to bake normals onto the coat and white button-up undershirt

[tough plover]

not a bad idea

don't forget about the Cloth brush in sculpting mode

there isn't really a way to adjust the size of the creases apart from the mesh density

so maybe subdivide 1x on a copy and use that

[small valve]

okok

[radiant ridge]

anyone know why my models shoulders are invisible for some reason?

[quaint jasper]

Inverted normals

[small valve]

inveeeeeeerted nnnnnormals

[sterile swan]

Hey, can someone help me attach a amateur to a avatar

[civic depot]

where is the assets file for unity located?

[dusty heron]

If you mean project assets, then: [Project folder]/Assets

[civic depot]

aight in program files/unity?

[dusty heron]

What do you meant by "Assets", Unity engine files? Or assets used in a project?

[civic depot]

im trying to add my 3d model into unity to put into the vrchat sdk and im not really sure

nvm i got it

[lament pond]

I've been wanting to make her for a while now

Wip

[spiral sigil]

oh wrong channel sorru

[bold oar]

i made my first t-shirt

its not the most polished thing ever but im very proud of myself

[spiral sigil]

I need some help

I cant figure out why its not letting me texture paint on my image

[spiral sigil]

why does it take 3 hours to render :/

[tough plover]

what resolution are you rendering it at

[spiral sigil]

1080p

[tough plover]

check the rendering options

[spiral sigil]

1920x1080

[tough plover]

I meant like, all of the other options

[radiant ridge]

So I’m having an issue with my FBX models legs. The VRM models legs are fine. So why is it the models legs break when I import the same model in FBX form?

[tough plover]

@radiant ridge click Configure under the rig tab, and reset the pose at the bottom under Pose

the issue is most likely that the leg is bent the wrong way

[radiant ridge]

Ah ok then. I’ll try it.

[radiant ridge]

so what am i looking at? @tough plover

[tough plover]

oh tf

it's almost like the legs are also weighed to another bone they shouldn't

go to blender

go to edit mode

click one of the vertices on the leg

in the N sidebar, go to the Item tab

you should see a list of which vertex groups that vertex belongs to

[radiant ridge]

like this ?

[quaint jasper]

you selected a face

[radiant ridge]

this is what is looks like weight painted

im confused what the N sidebar is

also how do i get the upper chest bone and right shoulder bone back. for some reason the bones arent there

[devout scroll]

N sidebar is the sidebar that pops up/gets hidden when you press N

[radiant ridge]

thanks pumkin

[tough plover]

@radiant ridge be in vertex selection, not face selection

hit the 1 key

[radiant ridge]

like this @tough plover ?

[tough plover]

@radiant ridge in edit mode, click on any one vertex

[radiant ridge]

alright then whats next?

just check every one of the vertexs till i find one that isnt group to the lower right leg

[tough plover]

@radiant ridge no, you look in the Item tab to see what groups it's part of

you can clearly see that it's not just one vertex that's messed up, it's the whole lower leg

so you can just check any one of those

[radiant ridge]

right here is where im looking right?

[tough plover]

yes

I suggest using Weights > Clean

[radiant ridge]

how do i do that then? clean them i mean

just erase all the weight painting and start over?

sorry if im not understand much of this. its all very new and confusing

wait i think i got it. the clean up is in mesh in edit mode. but what do i just hit clean and thats it?

i did it but it doesnt look like anything changed

@tough plover should it look like somethings changed after i hit clean?

[tough plover]

@radiant ridge the other group should be gone

[radiant ridge]

oh the group here

[tough plover]

ye

also make sure to select everything before using the clean function

[radiant ridge]

select the whole model?

[tough plover]

ye

[radiant ridge]

alright

[radiant ridge]

ok so i cleaned everything but now its saying i have no leg bones when i change the type from generic to Humanoid

[dim shard]

drag the bones you want to use as the leg bones into the assigning field. In this case the legs are assigned properly just the foot bones have not been

[radiant ridge]

whyd this happen now?

[last chasm]

dumb question, but how do i color my models and keep the color there? (models done but NEEDS coloring)

this is in blender fyi

[tough plover]

if you want to be able to properly texture a model, you need to UV unwrap it. think of it like cutting up your model with scissors and laying it out flat.

if you just want simple colors, then you can create materials for each color, assign them to whatever faces you want. this is fine if you only have a couple of colors, but if you have more than 4 materials, you should definitely unwrap the model and either texture it manually, or alternatively, still assign colored materials to parts of the model, but then bake a texture using that.

sidenote, I like your name. sausage mcgriddles are great

[last chasm]

thank you, that helps, and yeah my names pretty good

since im creating a persona with a lot of colors (itll be a means of self expression and putting myself into the digital world with who i am written all over me), itll be a bit harder for me

[tough plover]

a very good program to texture stuff is Substance painter

yet another thing to learn I know, but substance is very powerful

[last chasm]

i dont mind having to learn stuff, as long as its functional and doesnt take a month to understand, im good

[last chasm]

oh that looks good

[tough plover]

indeed

I learnt substance just by looking at other substance projects and seeing how those were done

but there's good tutorials too

[last chasm]

do i have to make the model into one solid model before painting it?

[tough plover]

you mean join the meshes?

[last chasm]

yeah

[tough plover]

you dont have to, but you should for when you actually export your model as an fbx

substance has "Texture sets", which is essentially its own stack of layers per material on your model

any mesh sharing the same material will be using the same texture set

[last chasm]

alright, the pants my model has are ripped jeans and i want to make sure i dont miss anything or color the wrong things, so its good i can keep them seperate

i can show it real quick

[tough plover]

you don't need to try to paint on the whole model directly

like

what I recommend doing is duplicating your blender project

in your 2nd one, duplicate the model, and put the copy above the main one

then, "explode" that copy

separate each part so that you can easily texture each one

because both models are using the same UV map, you can paint on any of the copies of the model

[last chasm]

oh thats a good idea, thank you

[last chasm]

i see, alright

[tough plover]

anyways, what does your model look like in blender rn

[last chasm]

that

[tough plover]

so it seems to me like you took a base model, and added stuff to it, right?

[last chasm]

yeah, i cant model anything on my own, i had to modify the clothes to fit on the body though

i made sure i was allowed to use it for vrchat

[tough plover]

did you make sure the weight painting is fine?

[last chasm]

im not sure what that means

[tough plover]

weight painting is how you specify which parts of the mesh move with which bones

[last chasm]

ohhhhh

[tough plover]

each vertex gets assigned to one or more vertex groups. if a group shares its name with a bone, then moving said bone influences every vertex which is part of that group

when a vertex is assigned to a group, it also gets a weight, from 0 to 1

0 means it's essentially not part of it

1 means it's 100% part of it

a weight of 0.5 would mean that it would move 50% of the way when you move the associated bone

[last chasm]

makes sense, ill check sometime later, since im not on blender or anything right now

[tough plover]

if you don't make sure the weights are fine, then you'll go in game and see the legs moving, but the pants staying completely stiff as one solid piece

[last chasm]

alright

[tough plover]

to make your life easier, you can "project" the vertex groups from one mesh to another

using the Transfer Weights function

useful for clothes

[last chasm]

will do

[spiral sigil]

Here's a render i did of a Helmet xp

[vocal dune]

i am working with a traditional model for the first time rather than my lowpoly style and I am really happy with how this is turning out :-)!!!!!! I just have texturing and then rigging left ! I am considering making a version for vrchat too if I manage to learn how to set up dynamic bones

[timber shale]

more blendshapes onto one of my vrc models

[grizzled timber]

cute! :3

omg so cute! good job! 😄

[grizzled timber]

praiseeee

[timber shale]

[quick egret]

( THIS IS A NUDITY PICTURE OF A AVATAR I AM WORKING ON FOR SOMEONE MY APOLOGIZE ) So i am still working on my avatar with toggles. however this avatar needed 8 toggles for a reason. ( choker 2 toggles) ( xxxx 2 toggles ) and then we have bottom ( 2 toggles ) and top (2 toggles)= 8 . The person wanted this avatar to become nude. So i had to cut the avatar skin to make it work and it did! Only one problem i just have now. In unity, the skins are all the same material. But when i try it in worlds. the bottom part is either lighter or darker. Does annyone maybe have a solution for this?

[devout scroll]

Drag the spine object into the anchor override box of all your skinned mesh renderers

[quaint jasper]

None of these should be separate meshes, they should be weight painted to bones and scaled...

[still wadi]

as long as the poly count is low tho

[quick egret]

This actually fixed it! The skin is normal now again! Thank you @devout scroll ^-^

[devout scroll]

But what ruuubick said it also true. Join your meshes if they there's no good reason to keep them separate

[white moth]

What program? Noticed the face capture

[desert wedge]

Is there a way to uv unwrap this so it takes the shape of the object?

The UVs are all just squares taking up the entire texture

And it obviously does not work like it does in probuilder

[glad mortar]

Probably cube projection?

[azure rain]

where you would probably want your UV seams if you're doing it manually https://i.gyazo.com/7f8ca2d030df177d18e52ef268752a24.png

[desert wedge]

Thats what would make sense but fist there are bevels everywhere so a lot of faces. I wanted to know if it could automatically do it like this

[tough plover]

@desert wedge no, that's not how UV unwrapping works lol

put the seams in the same way rainbow showed you

the bevels have no effect here

[azure rain]

and that would look weird having the wood be one solid piece like that

as you did not make a window out of a solid piece of wood windows are made out of multiple pieces of wood

[desert wedge]

Kind of

Probuilder did it automatically and it was fine

[spiral sigil]

seeing how the UV is wrapped exactly would be nice too, just go into edit mode on the left panel or the panel that currently isnt in the UV Editor

[desert wedge]

I know how to do that, when I do it is just every face is either some weird shape or some square taking up the entire image for some reason

I have not mapped it or unwrapped it properly yet I would imagine

[devout scroll]

make sure your scale is applied in object mode before you unwrap

[desert wedge]

Noted. By the way, did you make the avatar tools?

[devout scroll]

Yes

[desert wedge]

Good work, I use them often

[devout scroll]

Thank you!

[spiral sigil]

do people sell services for 3d modeling and rigging avatars (idk if its the same thing correct me

[dusty heron]

People do, but more in VRCTraders in #community-servers-old

[vague parrot]

I've been following a tutorial for making heads, and i had to use a other persons model because their isn't really any reference thing i could use and i couldn't remove the hair ;-; but here's my best so far still more to do though.

[spiral sigil]

ooh

[thorny ivy]

s u s

[split aspen]

elf ear sketch

[craggy lintel]

Not bad

At all

Do you want your chin that complexion?

[craggy lintel]

The sharpness of the chin

[atomic hamlet]

That's really good for a first avatar from scratch, don't beat yourself up and call it trash like that.

[foggy granite]

Looks good but the nose looks a bit too wide should thin the bridge a tad bit but it looks good once you start texturing it should be even better

[foggy granite]

Head looks small

The body looks stretch mainly around the torso and arms

Elongated

Shape in general topology looks fine

Are you using q reference

And also yes

Yeah

And also I recommend using sketchfab to observe the edge of other models to make areas like the pecs more define

Alright and one more thing don't go too far above the poly limit

[spiral sigil]

^If you are going over 125k polys on a regular human avatar then you still have some room to improve in the geometry

The looks of it are great though

[atomic hamlet]

Well, not all anime style human characters have completely accurate proportions anyways, so i think it looks fine.

[azure rain]

cool

[foggy granite]

Nice that’s a good start

[foggy granite]

Okay that’s a good improvement

I would say to increase the size of abs and lower them a bit

[tough plover]

that looks really good actually

[foggy granite]

If you looks at photos abs reach the groin

[tough plover]

I feel like the pelvis bones could be more defined

[foggy granite]

And also the hips need a tad bit of work

[tough plover]

^

[foggy granite]

I would like to see a side profile

[tough plover]

that's some really good anatomy though

well done

[foggy granite]

Calf need to be longer and shoulder need to be inflated so it looks more bold and define

One thing knee look a too low

Should push it up so it’s a bit below the center where the thigh and calf connect

Calves mainly looks short because of the position of the knee

[tough plover]

discord is on crack

or more like, lack thereof

[foggy granite]

The body looking good

Do he even have nips

Wow

I would say just refine the legs a bit and it’s ready to go

Np happy it turn out well what’s the outfit you got plan for him

Theirs a lot option

You can got for a simple Hawaii shirt and shorts to show off the body

[tough plover]

||playboy bunny||

do it no balls

[foggy granite]

Toggle

What about this one

[tough plover]

oh god

not exactly what I had in mind

[winged anchor]

Thats a giant tail

[tough plover]

but I mean

lmfao

[foggy granite]

Got to make them teeth

I make more props then anything but Im trying to get into avatar scene but it hard to get thing how I like them

But I know enough about avatar to fix issue and refine point but making them from scratch nope

[split aspen]

Judy Hopps sketch

[small valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/577999283916111885/873966419757383730/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/577999283916111885/873966465328492604/unknown.png

god giveth good topology

[spiral sigil]

guewd

[small valve]

improved it to be specifically for shirts

[tough plover]

very nice

breasts look a little odd though

very pointy

[tough plover]

shouldn't be but could always fix that

[small valve]

good fucking clothes for once???

[quaint jasper]

can't recall seeing this topology on a shirt before

[small valve]

trying to go for good shoulder deformation while also having it look more like the way a shirt would deform, which meant moving seams around until they lined up with real life seams

i hung my real life white button-up shirt to refer to when making this

[quaint jasper]

yeah as long as it deforms correctly it doesn't matter

[small valve]

i could get rid of them but i dont plan on bringing it higher than this, theyre so small that any subdiv shouldnt fuck it up in case i want to bake n ormals from cloth or somth, and my current solution for converting the middle to quads is uh

not ideal

[quaint jasper]

that's worse than triangles

[small valve]

i like how i just massively leveld up my topology

this is so much better than my first set of clothes

though there are a couple of curiosities

[azure rain]

so good

[small valve]

yeah bitch

i saved some triangles too, which means that i can add more detail on some parts that really need it

[unborn lark]

I just imported and added this shield I made to my avatar and somehow even though it's only 16K tris it makes the poly count jump from 136K polys to whatever this number is

[spiral sigil]

i would love to figure out how model my own characters, cuz all these look amazing

[spiral sigil]

Odd, there should be a red error coming up in the builder tab for you to auto fix talking about mesh read/write.

The number is the 32 bit integer limit

[small valve]

which basically means something has gone horribly wrong, and thats not an actual measure of triangle count but an indication that something fucky wucky is going on

[spiral sigil]

Can you try seperating the shield from that avatar, adding a vrchat avatar descriptor to it, and then go select that one in the builder tab to see if you can get some big red error button to show up so you can auto fix it

if that doesnt work then something else is def going fucky wucky

[unborn lark]

there's no red error button >~<

[spiral sigil]

can you toggle "Read/Write Enabled" for me when you click on the fbx of your shield and look in the right panel in the inspector tab

or whatever other model type you have

You should set it ON

[unborn lark]

I didn't even know you could turn that off .-.

[spiral sigil]

I wasn't aware how to change this manually until now so thank you

is it working?

[unborn lark]

that fixed it, thank you ^~^

[spiral sigil]

perfect

[quaint jasper]

You just need to enable read/write on the mesh asset

[ashen trail]

I have a question. The viewpoint ball on the avatar discriptor is nowhere to be found. I tried almost everything. Any suggestions?

[slow hound]

Is possible that your avatar is either very small or giant. You can test this by creating a cube, which is 1m tall. Place it next to your avatar to compare their sizes. The view ball will always be about 1.5m (1.5 cubes) tall regardless of your avatar size.

[ashen trail]

Still won't show up weirdly enough

I scaled down the avatar to .3, and I clicked edit

I figured it out I think

[small valve]

me when i almost forget this avatar's fucking collar

now i can do the ribbons, bows, hairties, and socks

[lament pond]

Wip

[hardy turret]

anyone got good resource for texturing models from scratch?

[tough plover]

@hardy turret you should definitely consider using Substance Painter

[hardy turret]

no

[small valve]

im practicing blender renders since i also like doing those now i guess, but trying to mak e a good toon shader is difficult

me when i forget the outlines on the HAIR

it is O.K.

right now im doing a generic toon shader

[still wadi]

you need to handpaint at least some stuff to make it look good for this type of stiye, only depending on it will always look weird

[small valve]

and then im gonna try some really stupid shit to see if i can get that manga look

yeah ill hand paint stuff

eventualy

eventually

[still wadi]

it's almost the most important part to actually make model look good with any shader

[mild bluff]

Anyone know why some imported models have this messed up shading effect on the mesh? Normals and quads look good otherwise

[foggy granite]

change normals angle

and face looks flip

[mild bluff]

cool thanks

Although Normals look good...

Flipping and recalculating normals has no effect

Clearing sharp also had no effect

[tough plover]

@mild bluff alt + N > reset vectors

[mild bluff]

Hey wow that worked!

[tough plover]

there is more to normals than if they're just pointing inside or outside

the angle matters a lot

[mild bluff]

Roger that... I'll go research that

Thanks so much for the help

[tough plover]

in that same menu where you found Face orientations, you can enable the normals at the bottom

[mild bluff]

I see that...

Chaos incarnate

[tough plover]

lol

make the lines shorter

and maybe don't enable all 3 at once lol

[mild bluff]

haha yup

[languid fog]

One piece anatomy goes brrrr

[quaint jasper]

Nice poles !

[languid fog]

thx m8

[ashen trail]

Anyone know what might of caused this with the eyes?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545084902639534082/874398642369339412/4cb626fb31fca6b3de827941a50a0991.png

[full ice]

possibly needs transparency on some parts of the eye that are clipping with the iris?

[ashen trail]

Apparently it's this. When I uncheck it, it goes back to normal

[full ice]

I think that is still a transparency problem, some of the textures probably have alpha channels and whatever shader you are using for them should be set to cutout

[ashen trail]

How would I go about fixing that? My apologies. I have no experience with Unity

[full ice]

Based on your first screenshot you have already extracted the materials, and are in the material folder, find the one from your second screenshot, NihonKawausu2 and change to Cutout like

you'll need to enable that object again for anything to show if that did work

[ashen trail]

I feel like such an idiot. You're a saint. Thank you!

[full ice]

you will probably want to change off of the standard shader to something that looks better, or is at least more customizable, but if you are going to stay on Standard for now, check if changing any other material to Cutout makes a difference, there might be more that need to be

[ashen trail]

I already use Sunao Shaders for this one

Now, one more question, to change colours, do I simply put the 2d textures into a photo editing program and save as the same name as the original?

[full ice]

if you are just wanting to modify the textures and not change them dynamically with controllers and stuff in vrchat, yes, just modify the texture in some program and overwrite the old one, when when you switch to unity, it should automatically refresh and load that change

[ashen trail]

Thank you!

[craggy lintel]

Hey guys do i trust the light for normals in blender or in unity

Because in blender my normals are great but in unity it's displaying opposite shadows

Blender

Tbh I feel like I should trust blender

unity is usually garbage

Def a higher level question

[azure rain]

Unity is what would be actually displaying in vrchat

[craggy lintel]

Why tf is it so wrong

Why is blender showing me what I intended to do but unity is fucking things up for me?

[azure rain]

no clue

[craggy lintel]

Higher level question i knew it

base making has to be one of the hardest things to do

https://gyazo.com/b55f75f5e688af27f97e0888fc10017f

really close to giving up

like gonna cry type rn

[tough plover]

^ got it figured out

[quaint jasper]

What was the issue ?

[tough plover]

normal import settings

[azure rain]

maybe take a screenshot of what they should look like the normal import settings

[oak hatch]

1k tris, 2k texture, we out here ballin.

[tough plover]

fancy

[oak hatch]

I went crazy trying to stay below the tri limit.

[azure rain]

you did a good job with that

like heck even a quest user could use it

[oak hatch]

It's set up for standard shaders, too

[quaint jasper]

1k tris before or after triangulation ?

[atomic hamlet]

Is that what i think it is...?

[zenith cloak]

Hello, can I ask for some avatar modeling help?

3 days ago I have created this and I feel like I've botched it in several places.

[glad badge]

https://i.redd.it/d1a230gs7rj51.jpg

[thorn moth]

Looks alright from the outside, what's wrong with the mouth?

[zenith cloak]

Well, it was supposed to have a shape key to switch it to a smile, but now it's not

By the way, here's how my model looks like in Blender

[thorn moth]

Double checked that the shape keys are still there in blender?

[zenith cloak]

There's only one shape key, other that the "Basic" and it's the one that changes the eyes to "Angry"

I've deleted those that were there before, because Unity broke them

But now I don't know how to deform the mouth to a smile without ruining it

[thorn moth]

How long ago did ya delete em?

[zenith cloak]

2 Days ago

[thorn moth]

Ah, guess not any undo history to get back to em now

[zenith cloak]

I was in a rush and didn't save it

Any Ideas how to make a new one?

I'm just confused because proportional editing is being unhelpful and turning the mesh upside-down just looks weird when animating

[oak hatch]

@quaint jasper after.

[thorn moth]

Worse case could redo the mouth piece in a more neutral pose

[zenith cloak]

I actually accomplished the shape like this by using subdivision surface on a slightly deformed plane

[lone forge]

I'm trying to get the hoodie to match its armature pose

so i had it t-posed, but when i set as rest pose it made the hoodie A-pose and now wont go back

[devout scroll]

Pose the armature in edit mode to match the hoodie

If you want to pose something you should use cats' apply pose as rest pose button

[spiral sigil]

lol

[devout scroll]

Applying rest pose in blender usually takes more steps like applying the armature modifier, applying rest pose and then attaching it back, but if you got shape keys it takes even more steps so just use cats' button for it

[lone forge]

well thats what i did and i ended up with this

[devout scroll]

hm

is the armature actually attached to the mesh

or mesh attached to the armature rather

not sure why it wouldn't match

[lone forge]

it is

[oak hatch]

Speaking of clothes. Does anyone have suggestions on how to model/weight folded or wrinkled clothes?

[valid magnet]

So i parented the face to the rig but my facial expressions refuse to follow even though they are part of the face. ???

[oak hatch]

Can you show the weight paint?

[oak hatch]

If you can revert to before you set the pose, that may at least help a bit. It's possible that the pose mode is messed up, or that there are keyframes being made; that can cause weird bone issues.

[valid magnet]

As soon as you said that, i forgot to redo weight paint after assigning the bone

[lone forge]

believe i'll just re-import the hoodie, thank you tho

[oak hatch]

Decimate the mouth, make the shapes needed, set your creases (edge mode, select sharp edges, crease) subdivide. You won't be able to apply the modifier because shape keys, but it should export correctly.

[oak hatch]

Lmao, big mood.

[oak hatch]

That works. Watch out for CATS, it's a jackhammer. Useful sometimes, but it tends to break things.

[white moth]

My avatar has tennis shoes so I’m not going to give it articulated toe bones. But I’m told I should still make dummy toe bones so that the walk circles can have better IK.

Where is the most ideal spot to place the root of the toe bone? At the shoe tip? At zero height? I’m never sure.

[ashen stag]

If the toes are fake, I usually put them at the tip of the foot, if the toes have weight, I usually put them at the first knuckle of the middle toe

[spiral sigil]

hey guys do you have a sample VRChat model file my friend could analyze to fix their model?

[devout scroll]

depends what's broken, if it's the rig (weird leg position, animation etc) then you can check the example image in #avatar-rigging

[craggy lintel]

Hey guys

Before a base is released

How do you guarantee customer satisfaction? Do you have someone test it?

[quaint jasper]

Friend of mine goes to public instances and asks people in FBT to clone in and use it to know what they think

[oak hatch]

Sensible

[zenith horizon]

how do you weightpaint shoulders so they dont look really janky when you lift your arms up?

[wispy verge]

bend your own arm and watch how it moves,

the shoulder specifically

[zenith horizon]

hm

maybe im bending the arm too far up

[wispy verge]

maybe, show a screenshot

[zenith horizon]

got it looking better

I wish I could view the skeleton in game to see what the bones are doing exactly, I always try to recreate the poses in blender but they never look how they do in game

[oak hatch]

There's a shader for that

Some testing worlds have it

[zenith horizon]

do you know which ones?

[obsidian nova]

Does anyone have a clue what's going on here? I'm trying to tile my flooring, and it’s doing this weird banking in the corner (along the topology). I don't think it's my normals (I’ve tried flipping & averaging them). Any advice is appreciated, I feel like I'm going insane over this. Might be caused by smooth shading & pinching in the bevel of the wall? Not sure how to fix that though.

[spiral sigil]

yea a LOT of it is broken

spine and feet import backwards

[stray thistle]

guys I wanna buy these

how?

[ashen stag]

Probably from who made them

[small valve]

me when i find out about averaging face normals and thinking about how every other avatar ive ever made could have looked as clean as this one 🙃

[oak hatch]

Not offhand. Any avatar testing world aught to, tho.
I have one saved as my home world, but I'm out of office so I can't check it.

[oak hatch]

Check the UVs. It may have some weird bending/splitting, or your texture isn't perfectly tiling due to the image not being perfect. If you have Photoshop, you can offset filter the image 50% and it'll show you.

Wait no

It's smooth shading issue.

Pick an edge loop around the flat surface and sharpen the edge.

[oak hatch]

If you have the name of them, check CGtrader, Gumroad, Booth, and Sketchfab.

[abstract knoll]

how long do i have to wait to publish models?

[oak hatch]

It's based on trust level.

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/vrchat-safety-and-trust-system

IIRC, as soon as you're a new user (aka have an account) you can upload avatars.

[tough plover]

Visitor is the default rank

new user is the one after that

just having an account doesn't get you to new user

[dull gull]

Finally got started on my second modelling attempt
I'll keep this low fidelity, since I want this to work for quest anyway

[hybrid stag]

I'm not sure if this is exactly the correct place to ask this question but does anyone know how to fix this issue I've been having? I learned how to add accessories to my models and it works fine but it completely destroys the dynamic bones and makes the avatars stiff. I have to create a completely new unity project to fix it.

[obsidian nova]

Thanks @oak hatch For some reason, when I flip the UV (scale x: -1) it fixes the issue, but only like half of the time...

Otherwise it seems like it's just a matter of fiddling with the vertices on the UV map.

Then it suddenly clicks into place.

[dull gull]

Base model finished
Next I will attempt to do texture

[cyan plover]

Hey I have a question, is a transparency like this posible in Unity/Vrchat?

[tough plover]

yes, but not on quest

[cyan plover]

fak- ok thanks

[tough plover]

can't do transparency of any kind on quest

[cyan plover]

guess I'll have to figure out a work arround for quest, thanks for letting me know!

[solemn quail]

where do you make 3D models???

[inland carbon]

Blender

[solemn quail]

k thanks

[unique sigil]

Im not sure if i did smth wrong on this but i wanted to ask if anyone knows why the leaves are not on hte stem when i click offset object, object empty and do G Z to line it up on the stem
Like the leaves on the bottom are not attatched like i want them to be and also sjowed up on the bottom not even attatched to the stem

[quaint jasper]

Did you apply your transforms ?

[onyx juniper]

As much as I hate the big ugly square shell hatches on the offical current Blastoise's design...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/799591881922052116/875518981887361054/Spr_6x_009.png

They might be an elegant and purposeful solution to the problem I'm facing now:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/799591881922052116/875519218219647006/unknown.png

They have to pop out to go over his shoulders

[fallow isle]

I wish there was a real Drifloon backpack like this, I'd buy one just to have it.

[spiral sigil]

how does one use blender properly please dm me so i can learn this stuff

or so someone can teach me

[devout scroll]

look up YouTube tutorials, there are so many for anything

can't just teach you, you gotta look it up yourself and ask questions if you're stuck

[spiral sigil]

i didnt...?

spam

but ok

[azure rain]

that's a very cute backpack

[fallow isle]

Thanks 🙂

[unique sigil]

I have not
If there is an apply button i did not see it

[tough plover]

ctrl + a > all transforms

[unique sigil]

Oh ok ty
Ill try that next time

[uncut scarab]

so i have textures in blender from MMD that are .bmp. I need to convert them so they work in unity. theres a button in cats that says convert all textures to png, but when i press it it says converted 0 textures. can anyone tell me how to get it to work?
help! these .bmps have special channel properties too them so i need this tool to work because i assume it knows what to do to convert them correctly. i cant just open it export it as PNG
either that or somebody please walk me through gimp because these textures have like alpha, but not in the alpha channel, like if i just convert this to png it will erase the data.

[young vault]

That sounds like you need to change color channels around

And then export as png

Although, I'm not certain mmd has any bitmaps that have alpha in color channels other than the alpha channel

But, it is model dependent so...

[spiral sigil]

You can if you use vrchat particles additive

[tough plover]

sdk doesn't let you upload it

[spiral sigil]

Yes it does

[small valve]

texturing phase is finally done, i can now get on to weighting all of these

[tough plover]

@small valve well done 👍 looks great

[tough plover]

45k not bad all things considered

that's model + all clothing?

[small valve]

yes

[tough plover]

nice

[small valve]

taking into account that clothing will be removed (coat, vest, and skirt+bow+shoes+socks can be removed in stages)

[tough plover]

neat

wondering what would be best performance wise for all those toggles

stuff like the jacket and skirt could be their own meshes

I'm still not sure about the exact performance impact of shape keys, but last I heard it's actually not as bad as people make it out to be

[small valve]

gonna try the funny silent shader trick

[tough plover]

the issue with that though is that it won't work for people without custom shaders

I think

maybe the shader fallback system will work with it

[azure rain]

I guess that would depend if you would look silly or not with all of your clothing toggled on

[tough plover]

kek

for that reason I have my clothing toggles as separate meshes, with the default state of how I want it to look as the default

so hoodie + shorts + socks enabled, everything else disabled

I use parameter drivers to turn off other toggles when you activate one

for example, if you enable the sports top, it'll disable the hoodie

if you enable the thigh highs, it disables the short socks

so you never have stuff that overlaps

unless, of course, you want it to

you can also do this kind of stuff one way

like if I enable some outfit, it can disable the hoodie

but it won't stop me from re-enabling the hoodie afterwards

since parameter drivers run once

[tough plover]

fancy

[hollow ermine]

I simplified a few things and added a few curves here and there.

[quaint jasper]

Personally preferred the previous outfit, but the new one is cool too

[thorny ivy]

New pants look like spandex/body suit but then... tuck into boots, which is honestly a bit upsetting as you try to figure out what's actually what..

Think the design might be more clear if the pants followed a similar pattern as the gloves.

Also hard to tell what's suppose to be "skin" and what's cloth since the two are both black + relatively close in shade too.

[spiral sigil]

Now that you mention it I cannot unsee it

[thorny ivy]

[Curse successful]

[spiral sigil]

Maybe its intended

[thorny ivy]

Only one way to find out: @hollow ermine, was it intentional to make the pants look like a bodysuit/form-fitting only to tuck into the boots like regular pants?

[spiral sigil]

.

[vivid crater]

yea thats what i was thinking, kinda looks like wrestling undies and knee pads

[small valve]

model is finally unified, after a quick texture atlas she can go to Unity

empty space is going to be for all the props and tools and fun stuff i will put on this avatar in the future

[foggy granite]

What type of props

[small valve]

for this character specifically, a knife, a taser, a giant duffle bag, and a large easel

[foggy granite]

A canvas holder?

[small valve]

mhm

and then maybe a cute smartphone

thats discounting personal items which i plan on having on all of my avatars which is just

a few signs

[foggy granite]

Alright I feel like a smartphone would fit nice

[small valve]

she needs the easel because uh

reasons

[foggy granite]

plot reasons

[onyx juniper]

I guess this guy is coming along. I need to remake the back shell

[small valve]

v epic

[hollow ermine]

I will say the only clothes my character is actually intended to wear is a jacket, scarf, and a pair of boots. Those gloves are hands. Think astroboy or megaman

[hollow ermine]

In short

Bodysuit yes?

Intentional also yes

[tough fulcrum]

Forgive the spam, but I want to show a sneak of a project I'm working on

Making a Vintage Aesthetic Diner basically

It's bare bones but I'm gradually working on it from time to time.

[quaint jasper]

Good start !

[thorny ivy]

Gotcha. You'll definitely need to adjust the design then to actually communicate what's worn and what's part of the body since multiple people (including me) expressed confusion as to what's suppose to be what.

[hollow ermine]

You think if I make the knees silver on v2, that ought to fix things?

[thorny ivy]

No, don't think it will. If anything, it'll make the design even more ambiguous. This is what I suggest:

Strip everything away until it's just the body itself. Decide what color it is and have that color be exclusive to the body itself. Most people will assume the character's some sort of robot by the head alone so you'll wanna figure out what color fits your intended vision + communicates that best.

For the limbs (feet + hands), go with a different color. This'll help designate them as such and not blend in with the rest of design or get confused as another piece of apparel.

As for the hands and feet themselves, they look 100% like clothing. The hands' terminate like gloves along the arms + extend well past the wrist. The feet, well, just come off as boots with pants tucked into them.

Since you mentioned Mega Man, that's what I used as a loose design basis for my suggestion.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/3/30/MM11-MegaMan.png/revision/latest?cb=20190127075055

[hollow ermine]

Will consider it

[thorny ivy]

In the end, it's your design + character, a visually distinct one for sure, but there's always room for improvement.

[stable acorn]

I wonder how i should texture this though

[onyx juniper]

kewl sward

[foggy granite]

It remands me steampunk/dieselpunk so their colors would look nice

[paper trail]

So I've been meaning to either make or commission a personal avatar, and it would need to be mostly from scratch, but I've never modeled anything before and was thinking of starting in Blender. Does anyone have recommendations for me on a good video to watch to start learning, or where to find good assets to download, etc?

[stable acorn]

yeah I took inspiration from one of those kinds of swords

[foggy granite]

you done a great job

[stable acorn]

tyty

[foggy granite]

whats the poly count it looks pretty detail and smooth

[hollow ermine]

@thorny ivy I took a bit of your advice and decided to dial back for the time being while I consider my options.

In the meantime, the boots are getting attention

I plan on giving the old model this design change as well

[tough plover]

@hollow ermine have you considered adding cables going from the torso to the traffic light?

as the "neck"

could do like 4 really fat cables lol

4 because 3 for the lights and one common ground

[spiral sigil]

Hypothetically would I be able to play as this just sliding around everywhere

[hollow ermine]

I like this reason, honestly. I'll keep it in mind. Not sure if I'd do it, but I will keep. it. in. mind.

[tough plover]

👍

[wispy verge]

@spiral sigil yes

[hollow ermine]

Proof of concept

Given it some thought, not bad

Gonna sleep on it

[thorny ivy]

Pants and boots do look better!

And digging the cable-neck, looks pretty cool!

[hollow ermine]

Butter my biscuit

[thorny ivy]

To give a bit more structure, maybe have a large, central cable the other three, smaller ones wrap around?

[tough plover]

hey not bad

[hollow ermine]

I dunno, I dunno

[tough plover]

kinda like it

[hollow ermine]

I like the way it looks but I'm still into my floating head design

Maybe I'll try the wrap idea next

I'm of the opinion that assymmetry Makes It in some cases

[tough plover]

for sure

could maybe have like a corrugated rubber pipe

[drifting depot]

cries
my model is 600k polygons and I have no idea how to reduce it

[tough plover]

the clean way is to dissolve edge loops

the dirty way is to decimate

fast way to reduce poly count, but ruins the topology

[stable acorn]

yes, you could even make the legs move but that's a bit more complex

[drifting depot]

YES! the decimate thing is working!

[tough plover]

@drifting depot definitely keep an original copy of the model. working on a decimated mesh is horrible

[drifting depot]

oh no I am keeping the original seperate for renders and animations I make

cause I spent a lot of time on it

70k triangles is too much right?

[drifting depot]

I've brought it down from 600k to 70k

[small valve]

70k triangles can be kind of hefty but you can still get away with it if you separate your face+head from the rest of your body, since thats the part that has blendshapes or shapekeys, which control your mouth movements and what not, which takes more time to render than the rest of your mesh

if its going to be a high poly model at the least get it to below 70k even if its like 69k something so that way you dont automatically get blocked by people who are blocking very poor avatars by default

[drifting depot]

well its 67,065 to be precise

[small valve]

yeah youre fine, just bring it down to one mesh, or preferably two as i mentioned above, and itll be fine

[drifting depot]

hmmm

what channel can I ask for advice on rigging?

[small valve]

i guess #animation @drifting depot

[valid magnet]

So i have a character in blender and i add fur to it but the fur also going into its mouth and teeth. How do i get the fur to not spawn in its mouth?

[steady zealot]

Vertex group mask I imagine

[tough plover]

@valid magnet be very careful doing that, you could easily bring the poly count extremely high

typically fur is either done through texturing, texturing + modeled out fluffs, or using shaders

[valid magnet]

Any alternate suggestions?

[tough plover]

the above

[dusty kiln]

is there a way i can export or make my avatar hierarchy into an fbx? id like to put some avatars in blender for rendering but that would mean reassembling everything, which is not something i want to do

[quaint jasper]

export as fbx from blender ?

[dusty kiln]

no, like i built my avatar in unity, and ive added hair, clothing and other stuff like that, im hoping theres a way to export that in an fbx or some other way so i dont have to worry about setting everything up again

[thorny ivy]

Don't think there is as far as I know.

Unity isn't designed with proper avatar work in mind.

It's useful for making some adjustments/simple changes but anything more complex, you wanna do in a program like Blender.

[ashen stag]

There is probably some software on the store to export a scene somehow, but yeah should be done in blender in the first place. Doing it backwards otherwise

[craggy lintel]

Yeaaa don’t work with decimated topo!! it’s a nightmare

[tough plover]

no, you should really have been doing that in blender from the very start lol

Unity is not a 3D modeling program, it is a game engine. you're meant to import assets into it to create a game/assetbundles

adding stuff to a model in blender is not that hard

can be done within seconds/minutes

[ruby cypress]

Is there a really good tutorial on 3D modeling an anthro avatar?? I’m gonna try to model and rig my fursona in Blender, though I have little to no experience with Blender.

[tough plover]

not that I know of, but it might exist. you could also look at other models in blender to get a better idea of how they are done

should definitely start by learning the basics of blender for sure

[ruby cypress]

Alrighty. Yeah, I’ve only ever modeled in something suuuper basic called Sculptris lmao.

[tough plover]

should consider following some Blender guru tutorials

[tough fulcrum]

Okay this is something small but it makes it so much better using a tool called 'Graft' to help seamlessly merge objects together, like man, this would have taken me a good hour to figure out how to smooth this out seamlessly between three objects, this cut that time to just 10 minutes, adding in finer work to make it look nice.

Man I love this tool for so many reasons.

The Wireframe

Excessive for rounding on a small object I know but I will edit that later in optimization.

[quaint jasper]

What does the addon do exactly ?

[tough fulcrum]

better to just show the github

https://github.com/greisane/gret

its a load of multiple tools in one

I primarily enjoy Graft most

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/greisane/gret/readme/graft-demo.gif

from the Github

But pretty much a good slice of everything to make modeling way less tedious.

[quaint jasper]

oh gret, yeah definitely

[solemn quail]

where do you make 3D models???

nv found it

[unkempt nova]

Blender or get custom from Vroid Studio

I am new in ..Vr avatar and Vr Home making..still trying

[lament pond]

I've seen that before, it's like magic.

Wip

[languid fog]

The egg head

[limber walrus]

is there a way i can have a shape key on this hand where i can have two mats one hand where its just this texture,another where its another texture

[foggy granite]

You can't use shape key to change materials you should be able to have toggle-able material in unity though

[limber walrus]

how

@foggy granite

[foggy granite]

https://youtu.be/N95CCEFxBrc

[limber walrus]

thanks

[rigid cosmos]

Nearly finished with the main sculpt for my avatar build

just need to do rigging and texturing

[oak hatch]

Buggy boy.

[spiral sigil]

I want that as a pet

crawlin around

[languid fog]

This fanart is taking a lot of work

[oak hatch]

It's part of a collab, I'm making the torso, three others making the arms, legs and head.

End result will be a public avatar.

[rigid cosmos]

Got my model ready for testing

[quaint jasper]

probably want to smooth shade it first ?

[rigid cosmos]

Ah, good point

[unkempt bear]

Can somebody make me an avatar id rlly appreciate it

[languid fog]

You want to someone spent 2 weeks to do a entire custom model from scratch, mesh, texture, rig and unity stuff for free?

Thats not how it works m8

[unkempt bear]

I was only askin

[bright hollow]

I mean if they didn’t really care what kind ready player me could make ya one quickly for free on their website

[hollow ermine]

I love being a traffic light.

Stickers on my head, let's go

[spiral sigil]

You NEED a fancy S Superman symbol sticker

Idk what its called but if you know you know

[fallow isle]

This is like 50 miles outside my comfort zone, and it took me around 4-5 hours yesterday. Did it for a personal project. Forgive the lack of gears and chain, I forgot about them completely and then couldn't figure out how to shoehorn them in so I forewent them and now this Acro Bike is just Ghost- or Rotom-operated. 🙃
Literally first time making anything even remotely like this.

I did NOT take the time to UV map. Didn't need it for the project. Don't know if I will take the time to UV map. Material nodes work fine for purpose for which I built it. lol

[quaint jasper]

That looks pretty sweet, did you use refs from a single bike or used multiple and pieces stuff together ?

[fallow isle]

It's based on the Acro Bike from Pokemon, so I used some refs. Two were official (I think?) artworks of the bike, and the other is just a thumbnail of the actual 3D model from the 3DS games.

This was the main reference https://cdn2.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/3/31/Omega_Ruby_Alpha_Sapphire_Acro_Bike.png/1200px-Omega_Ruby_Alpha_Sapphire_Acro_Bike.png

Took some liberties with some of the design 😛

[quaint jasper]

Might be worth using a big bevel on the main armature piece, other than that it's pretty spot on

[fallow isle]

Thanks!
The geometry of the main frame piece didn't support an edge bevel very well due to the density of the mesh, so I unsubdivided that piece and beveled the edge then reapplied the subdivision. Looks much better now!

Dunno why I didn't bevel it to begin with. The other rectangular piece is beveled, so I should've beveled the main piece as well. lol

[azure rain]

out of curiosity any plans porting the bike into vrchat

[pearl quiver]

what to do if my vrchat sdk wonts show up there

i missed something?

[azure rain]

is your console showing any errors

[quaint jasper]

https://github.com/oneVR/VRWorldToolkit/wiki/Fixing-Build-Problems

[azure rain]

also that's the wrong Unity version

as I see unity2020 in the screenshot

[pearl quiver]

yeah i didnt update it

is that the reason?

[azure rain]

vrchat doesn't support unity2020

[pearl quiver]

oh okay thank you

[azure rain]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/current-unity-version#section-unity-hub

[pearl quiver]

i watched a video on how to make avatar i searched for dynamic bone on component but it shows nothing-

[tough plover]

"Dynamic bone" is a paid, third party asset you have to buy on the Unity asset store

[azure rain]

that's because that's a paid add-on you have to install separately

[pearl quiver]

wait its paid? i had unity back in 2018 and i used dynamic bones on avatar i just messed with. Or am i just mixing it up?

[tough plover]

yes, if you downloaded a model from somewhere, there is a chance that they included dynamic bones

which is piracy

[pearl quiver]

Oh i see

[fallow isle]

Not at the moment, no. It's not even UV mapped, and it's over 300,000 tris. I made it specifically for a personal project in Blender. I'd have to UV map and significantly reduce the poly count if I wanted to use it for anything in VRChat.

[azure rain]

would be good practice for high poly to low-poly normal map baking

[fallow isle]

No normal map baking needed. Don't need practice with that, either. There are no fine details to the mesh whatsoever, just subdivisions.

Reducing the polycount and UV mapping aren't necessarily difficult, just time consuming and tedious with all the individual parts and pieces. There's no point in doing any further work on it atm, given it was created specifically to be a background prop in another project. Maybe someday, but certainly not anytime particularly soon lol

[small valve]

finally getting around to adding funny props

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/740683034281508968/876986047391735808/unknown.png also did you know that every time i thought that i couldnt pull an ian hubert on a particular model i have been proven wrong every time

[snow fern]

❤️ ian hubert's instinct for cutting corners

[small valve]

or rather, i prove myself wrong every time

[small valve]

ian hubert is on another fuckin level

[lament pond]

Legs wip

[zenith cloak]

Hello? Can I ask a Question? How do you make eyes? No, seriously, what in VRChat qualifies as eyes?

I'm asking because I have seen avatars with differently designed eyes (including those in all the wrong places) and I wonder how it's done so I can implement it in my own avatar I'm making.

[quaint jasper]

It just needs bones

[zenith cloak]

Really? Just bones?

But what if it's a 2D eye?

[quaint jasper]

Also bones

There's eye shaders out there, but there's a lot less control

[zenith cloak]

Ok, I see. Thanks.

[tough plover]

2D in what way?

like, on a TV head avatar for example?

[zenith cloak]

Oh, good question, because I have a TV-headed robot that's in a dire need of a face

[tough plover]

that is possible to do yes, but it does require some fancy rigging

rather than using one bone per eye, you'd be using 3

alongside unity constraints

once you understand how it works it's actually pretty straightforward

[zenith cloak]

Well, that's the problem: I don't quite understand it

[tough plover]

so this is the basic setup

the one in the bottom right is the head bone

we can ignore that one for now

the one on the very left is the one that the eye is actually weighed to, notice how it's also parented to the head

so by itself, it would not move

[zenith cloak]

I see

[tough plover]

the bone in the top right is the one you actually specify in the avatar descriptor and the rig config, that one is the actual pivot point

and lastly, the remaining bone is parented to the bone on the right

when the eye bone rotates, that one moves with it

the fun part is in unity

[zenith cloak]

And what is the bone parented to the head?

[tough plover]

the one highlighted blue in the last pic?

or the one on the left

[zenith cloak]

No, the other one

The one that didn't move

[tough plover]

that one is the one the eye mesh itself is weighed to. it's parented to the head because you don't want it to directly move with the eye bone that is controlled by the vrchat eye tracking stuff

now, the way to make this work is in Unity, using a Position contraint

a Position constraint will make the transform of object it's on copy the transform of the object set as the source

the key is that you can specify which axis(s) it should copy

in Unity, X is side to side, Y is up/down, Z is forward/back

you would keep X and Y checked, but uncheck Z

which means that when the bone rotate and drags the other one with it, the bone the eye is weighed to will move aswell, but only up/down/left/right

and not in/out

thus, you get an eye moving in a 2D plane

used on this model

[zenith cloak]

Okay, but how do I pull this off on my model?

Which looks like this

Note: the screen is actually separate form the head and is supposed to be transparent, I just don't quite know how to pull this off.

[tough plover]

I see

is the screen actually curved?

[zenith cloak]

Yes

[tough plover]

hm, that might complicate things

[zenith cloak]

it's a plane that I deformed while following a tutorial

[tough plover]

so it's not actually 2D here

because it's curved, you could probably just rig it normally

[zenith cloak]

The space behind it is flat. so it might work

[tough plover]

but have the bone really far away from the head

so that the actual "radius" of the curve matches that of the screen

if you took a cross section of the screen, you would get a curve

now imagine you extend that curve to form a circle

the bone should be placed at the center of the circle

[zenith cloak]

Here it is again with the glass hidden

I know that it isn't perfect, but it's because I made it years ago, when I was just getting used to Blender

[tough plover]

I see

also you probably want to set it to smooth shading lol

[zenith cloak]

Oops! I forgot!

Oh no, It looks broken...

Like I said, it's one of my first models

[tough plover]

probably because of that weird topology in the corners

that whole "cross" should be gone

[zenith cloak]

How do I fix this?

[tough plover]

you can just go to vertex selection, and dissolve the vertices in the middle of those crosses

to dissolve, X > Dissolve vertices

[zenith cloak]

It looks better now, but those polygons bother me...

Dissolving those vertices resulted in weird N-gons

Also, how do you fix normals in Blender again? I hit auto-smooth, but it doesn't seem to stay that way.

[tough plover]

alt + n > reset vectors

[zenith cloak]

Much better

Now what?

There are now those blue edges

[tough plover]

blue edges mean sharp edges

you can add/remove those to make specific edges sharp

when using smooth shading

[zenith cloak]

I actually know that, I just am not sure that function assigned them properly

NvM, I just cleared the unneeded sharps

Now I'm guessing I need to add those bones you've mentioned, some planes for eyes and voila, am I right?

But how do I make that glass transparent, or rather semi-see-through?

[tough plover]

you change the shader settings for that, but the way it's done in unity and blender is completely different

[zenith cloak]

Will Poiyomi Toon shader do?

[tough plover]

yes

[zenith cloak]

I just change the "alpha" of the material

[tough plover]

also fyi, quest does not support custom shaders, transparency or constraints

ye

[zenith cloak]

BTW, what do I do if I want Quest support then?

I just want everyone to see what I made

[ashen stag]

You need to upload your model while your project is built for android support

[zenith cloak]

Now, I wonder, how those avatars with eyes AND Quest support work.

@ashen stag I know, it's just the requirements are strict

[ashen stag]

Yeah its the main reason I dont do it 😔

[zenith cloak]

One thing I noticed, is that Unity doesn't support quads and will convert them to tris on import, basically doubling the amount of vertices on my model.

[ashen stag]

Kind of a misconception, quads dont actually exist in 3d rendering. Blender is just faking it for you

[zenith cloak]

Oh, figures.

But for real though, is there a way to check in Blender how many tris there will be before importing to fbx?

[ashen stag]

The Tris value is always the triangulated result of your model, where Faces is the non triangulated value AFAIK

[zenith cloak]

Thanks, I was just wondering, because the process of retopology is often irreversible.

[ashen stag]

Thats why you have a bunch of saved versions, should always save before destructive edits

[zenith cloak]

I have at least 5 backups for my Sadboi model, and there will probably be more once I finally learn how to make clothing.

Just letting you know.

[oak hatch]

HEADS UP, sharp shading breaks outlines in Poiyomi.

It may be wise to select all sharps, and apply a bevel modifier, then full-smooth the model. This will fix the problem, at the cost of Tris.

It sucks, I know.

[weak ermine]

So I want to make this face curved, but don't know how to make it look good

What would you all recommend I do to curve this?

[oak hatch]

Oh, I can actually help here.

Step one, remove your subdivisions

Step two, add a single loop cut at the center. Stretch to the corner.

Step 3, bevel edge.

I'll post a pic, moment.

The corner is going to always be """past""" the curve you want.

IIRC, you want to set the bevel to "Percent" and the Percent to 100. Then merge by distance to clean up orphan verts.

[weak ermine]

How do you bevel?

[small valve]

select an edge and control b

in which i actually uv unwrap my hair instead of abusing project from view* because i need anisotropic reflections to work right

[oak hatch]

Oh that pain, I know it.

[hollow ermine]

I am become the monster

[tough plover]

that's awesome lol

it's like siren head, but traffic light head

[hollow ermine]

That's the idea, oh yeah 👍

[tough plover]

will it be a jumpscare avatar?

would be funny lol

[hollow ermine]

I had the idea this morning before I slept. I learned my buddy is a bit easy to scare. I wonder if this is his cup of tea?

[tough plover]

Poiyomi allows you to make something only visible in the mirror

or not visible in mirrors

or both

[hollow ermine]

Terrifying

[tough plover]

you could have the lights be visible in both

but the body not visible in the mirror

someone looking at the mirror would only see floating lights

until they turn around

[hollow ermine]

I like that

[tough plover]

if you need sound effects, I started replaying bioshock infinite yesterday

https://youtu.be/SMY19CjcvXE