thats the blush
#3d-modeling
slow zealot
https://gyazo.com/f9be137ec495cc38266133b9c0e243fc bit better after figuring out where to set alpha in blender 2.8 still have it as a band 😦
runic nymph
get rid of that gloss WutFace
i recommend trying it out in unity, since youll be using shaders rather than blenders rendering engine and nodes
spiral sigil
Commission requests should be made at vrctraders. Look at the top of #community-servers-old
vivid crater
its been a whole day, why hasnt anyone made cybertruck yet
vivid crater
glad someone is passionate about it, starting now then 😂
runic nymph
🇧 🇦 🇳
fringe rock
Whata that
stable edge
car
hardy agate
if i cared enough i would make one
sharp path
Does anyone knows how to fix blender that keeps crashing when weight painting? Cuz It's really annoying
hollow radish
substance painter sure likes to crash 🙃
learning a lot though, but I have to wait a tone of time to bake stuff
maybe too highpoly
silent junco
if you are baking a ao thats why
they usually take a long long amounts of time to bake
hollow radish
It was mostly to me subsampling and making 4k maps when I should be doing tests
glad steeple
@vivid crater people have made the truck
vivid crater
@glad steeple post truck pics
obtuse escarp
Does anyone here use Wings3D? Turns out I'm clueless at it.
onyx crane
Is anyone working in Blender 2.81? The new sculpt mode is making my grab/draw/etc brush auto-face in a direction I don't want it to. (In this pic it should be sculpting from above but it's sculpting from the front, hence the weird oval)
obtuse escarp
I guess a better question would be to ask for recommendations of a free program for someone whose only experience is a few weeks each in 3DS Max and Zbrush.
silent junco
i haven't tried sculpting in 2.81
high coral
How do I load textures in blender? I drag and dropped it into "UV editing" but my model still didn't acquire all the textures
I'm trying to create new material but I don't think it's what I need to do
silent junco
go into shading
add a image texture node
connect it to the princible bsdf
select your texture in the image texture
high coral
Aight, as a new user I just screw over the user interface, gonna try to reload it completely and follow what you say
So I import a model, it's all grey.
I go into shading and for some reason it's all black, I guess because there's no linked texture
quaint jasper
yeah, if you're starting out, follow guides, because otherwise you'll get lost and frustrated
high coral
I mean I understand principle of it, the model only has meshes and I need to connect a texture to it, the problem is me adding that picture into blender and connecting it together
quaint jasper
hence the guide
high coral
I don't know how to formulate the search
I tried "blender add texture to mesh from image" but wasn't successful
quaint jasper
too complex, "add texture image mesh blender"
high coral
Aight, it wouldn't show on "Shading" workspace but it does work on "texture paint" window
Ah no, even it does work on Shading as well, but hair of the character is black
This one is in Texture paint mode
torn oracle
i opened a hl1 model in a hl1 model viewer to export as obj to use in vr chat but it looks like this any fixes?
honestly idk if im in the right channel so sorry in advance if im in the wrong channel
Oh it's just a shit tool downloaded another worked fine
iron schooner
Hi All I Relase my model https://www.deviantart.com/xeratdragons/art/My-Little-Dragons-Cartoon-Fantasy-821302613 for create you little dragons
https://www.deviantart.com/xeratdragons/art/Family-Dragon-Package-02-821304948?ga_submit_new=10%3A1574605836 and olther package
this is for custom model
dull canyon
wasn't there a way to have the texture paint brush paint "through" the mesh, so if I paint on one side of a mesh it paints the same on the opposite side?
nevermind, found it
backface culling
small valve
protip i learned some time ago and finally put into practice: edit your 3d model's vertex normals if you want to change the shape of shadows that hit your avatar!
a lot of people dont like using toon or shadows at all, especially on skin, because it results in awkward shading on areas that count the most, like the face
but even simple edits to your mesh's vertex normals can make toon shading look much more attractive
blender 2.8 has some tools specifically for editing vertex normals, i had a guide somewhere which ill try to find soon
NOTE: if you look up anymore in-depth guides, shy away from any tutorial involving modifiers. Most modifiers including ones relevant to changing vertex normals cannot be applied on a mesh that already has shape keys, so editing an existing avatar will not be possible
this one shows you how to use the tools without relying on modifiers. I personally reccommend for simple face edits to just point every normal in one direction and smooth out any edges
thorny fractal
i was messing around with normal editing a few weeks ago, i think a better aproach is to use modifiers copying from simpler objects and using vertex groups and vertex paint to tweak it
small valve
will it let you apply that though?
cuz i remember i tried one and it didnt let me
what are you using?
thorny fractal
?
dull canyon
@thorny fractal is each strand in that model an individual mesh?
runic nymph
@small valve did you follow any specific tutorial?
tepid wagon
The one they linked I'm guessing
thorny fractal
yea its curves i just used to block out the hair, this is an early prototype model before i went and did it all in zbrush and the retopoed
runic nymph
that video only describes what every new option does
small valve
nope
i wayched that video
stopped halfway through because i knew enough and started messing with my face
runic nymph
small valve
like i said, the thing i found best if you want to just "get it over with" is select relevant vertex normals on the front part of your face from where your chin begins to when it starts curving into your scalp and either point / rotate them in a favorable direction or smooth them out
then select around and smooth out any edges that look off, such as right when the face and the chin meet
but like chuuko said, its much better to copy from a simpler object ( such as a really smoothed out version of your face)
thorny fractal
you can use vertex groups and paint to mask out parts that you want to copy to so you can have much more control over how specific parts look
but it helps to have topology that acoomodates for that or you can get some weird looks
idk if that makes sense
small valve
ill keep that in mind 0 0
thorny fractal
as you can see in the topology of this face from guilty gear they kinda have this triangular shape under the eye which allows them to edit the normals in a way to get a much cripser edge without having to just subdivide the mesh a ton
i dont have that in my mesh so i got some weird artifacing like look so i ended up subdividing the mesh to make it smoother,
i was mostly just playing around with vertex normals if i was to actually take it seriously i would probably redo the topology in a way that makes it easy toe edit to get some looks
when it comes to vertex normal editing for cel shading i think the topology is something that is woefully undervalued
you could also bake the edited normals to a normal map which is somthing botw did
small valve
thanks for all of the tips...to be honest, that vertex edit i did was the first time i ever attempted that ^ ^`
signal zenith
Ok I created the mouth using the boolean modifier, but I need the upper lip to come forward a bit, any ideas on what I should do?
tepid wagon
If you used boolean you probably want to fix topology first and then enable proportional editing, select vert and the edge of upper lip in the middle and move lips into position with a help of mouse wheel to change range of proportional editing
signal zenith
How do I fix the topology?
jagged eagle
tfw my avatar's expressions make her boobs inflate.
i shouldn't have joined her head to her body before i was done editing her body but first time so lol
but i've reshaped so much, including her expressions, that restarting either the head or the body would be a pain
i don't even have a specific question i'm just...lmao, damn
maybe cutting the head off and deleting the body's shape keys will work
quaint jasper
go to the Basis Shape, select the vertices that should never change for any of the blend shapes. The go to options: Mesh -> Vertices -> Shape Propagate.
jagged eagle
oh, or that. that wouldn't interfere with boob physics, right? not that i'm especially invested in those just yknow
oh wait no i understand, nevermind. excellent! thanks so much, saved me time
hardy marsh
So i need to connect vertexs together and im having a hard time i was told awhile back there was a option in blender to just select your whole model and click a few things and it will look for splits in your mesh and connect them
but i forget what it was
dull canyon
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/OWmWJ
https://80.lv/articles/tips-and-tricks-on-real-time-hair/?amp_markup=1
could hair like this be done with just blender/substance painter/clip studio paint? and would it look good in vrchat?
wheat delta
in theory it should work just fine, except you need the aniso values you'd need for it to look as good in the images. You could possibly make/find a shader for it.
dull canyon
aniso?
ah, nevermind
well what I'm more wondering about is, how would I go creating the normal map for that kind of textures?
thorny fractal
you could bake it
or there is a decent hair card texture generator on artstation
thats like $7
dull canyon
well I wanna make it myself first to understand the process
and what do you mean bake it
bake from what
dull canyon
ok, lets back up a bit, how would you generate the initial texture for hair cards? I was thinking you'd just draw it in a drawing program?
dull canyon
well, most of the tutorials I've looked at so far actually use particles or some other means to create hair in 3d and then bake the textures from that apparently
silent junco
that works too i guess
smoky ether
okay so im having an issue where whatever shows in blender doesnt show in unity for example
blender show the mask mouth piece
but in unity it hides it
safe tapir
Hard to tell from just those small images, but im guessing the normal inverted
Just select the face and flip normal
runic nymph
which blender version are you using?
also, a double sided shader would also solve the issue, unless it's gonna mess up the lighting, in which case you would have to flip the normal
smoky ether
blender 2.8
idle niche
Look at it with the Face Orientation mode on (Found in viewport overlays) and see if it's red. If it is, then the normal is facing the wrong direction
Easy way to confirm if it's that or not
signal zenith
Hey guys, I've decided to get started on the feather for his hat and I was wondering if this was a good shape for it?
quaint jasper
If you'd like an accurate leaf shape, you can download an image of a flat leaf, have it displayed on a plane in blender and then trace on top of it
but your feather ain't bad
signal zenith
Thanks, I was trying to go for the look of the feather you would see on the stickers of the elves from the movie as well as using the feathers from bad CGI sequel, 'The Island of Misfit Toys' as reference.
dull canyon
@latent charm do you happen to know anything about how to create hair cards from scratch?
crisp trellis
@quaint jasper knows da pro strats
quaint jasper
I don't know anything about that lol
signal zenith
Ok here's what I have for the model, I know he looks he still needs some work but I didn't want to make him so he wouldn't be seen by quest users so he may be stuck like this for the game.
tepid wagon
You mean you won't rig it?
signal zenith
I'll rig it, when I have more time.
tepid wagon
so you meant you won't be adding more details I assume
signal zenith
Right
tepid wagon
16.5k tris is too many for Quest avatar though, it will be blocked by default
signal zenith
I thought it was 20K
signal zenith
So whats the max for each version?
dull canyon
https://gfycat.com/EarnestActualAmurminnow hmm. no idea how I would go about texturing this without looking like toon shading...
no idea if I wanna go with curves
primal ibex
@dull canyon can't you just select the objects that make up the body in Object Mode and go to Object>Shade Smooth?
dull canyon
I guess I could just really go in and texture each strand of hair individually...
no idea how tedious that would be in something like substance painter
latent charm
@dull canyon Just woke up and read your ping, did I ever talk about using tiltbrush for doing hair cards? Because that'd also give you basic UVs for each strand to work with too.
dull canyon
I think you mentioned it some time ago
latent charm
The other option is to use curve objects and before you convert them to meshes make sure you have these two options set and it'll generate UVs you can use
dull canyon
oh, that's handy. I was dreading having to go into each mesh and mark the seams invidually when doing this approach
also I'm a bit confused... would you not use something like SP for drawing hair textures? I can barely find anything on youtube
latent charm
You're better off using something a regular image editor for making the hair cards, or making a patch of them in the 3D program with strands and rendering it out in a way that's usable as a hair card texture.
dull canyon
okay, that last part is what I'm confused about
like, how do I bake the information of the 2d image I'm looking at through the camera instead of the whole 3d object... if that makes sense
dull canyon
okay, and how would you bake out for instance an AO map from that? at least I've seen that being used for most hair card textures
latent charm
Set what output passes you need and use the compositor to save them out as separate files
dull canyon
https://i.imgur.com/jRzf7El.png so would something like this work?
dull canyon
so when I render and save the AO pass to a file it loses all alpha information, does that matter?
I guess not since I'll use the alpha information from the other pass
thorny fractal
you can bake hair card textures from fibermesh in zbrush too
this is kinda neat too, it dosnt look the best but i think its nice to make some quick textures for protyping sake, it might work for your artstyle too but they dont look super realistic
what ive done in the past is used this program, and then curve with the bevel object set to just a line so its a flat card that i can shape easily with curves, and then checekmark the thing for the auto mapped uvs and in the shader i can tweak the uvs a bit with the mapping node and the like so i can have a decent visual representation while im working and its much more easily controlable and non destructive
onyx juniper
In Blender, why are the edges toward the top sharp? They're set to smooth
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276471869857857548/648659561674440715/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276471869857857548/648659605991194666/unknown.png
tepid wagon
Do you have subdivision surface enabled? If so remove or slide down the very top edge loop. If not you gotta either shape it differently or subsurf
onyx juniper
Subsurf was turned off for this screenshot
You know that without something like the very top loop, subsurf rounds off points like this, and it needs to be this pointy
tepid wagon
so you want to have this point to be sharp, my next guess is you were talking about those creases, is that correct?
if so adding 2 more edge loops should reduce them enough
thorny fractal
do you have automsmooth on
with autosmooth theres a value that defines the angle at which it smooths stuff, so on a cube with smooth shading and autosmooth on it wont actually smoothen out the whole cube until the angle value is set to 90 degrees or higher
thorny fractal
is it possible that you have some split edges in there or did you try just highlighting the whole mesh and applying shade smoothing to it again, because some times you might extrude out some faces or somthing that will have smooth sharp on them
onyx juniper
I used "remove doubles," I deleted then bridged edge loops, I deleted and extruded and merged to the old point.
and I highlighted everything and applied smooth again
It remains 2edgy4me
spiral sigil
so i am making a avatar from scratch does this look good?
halcyon citrus
Looking good so far it seems 👌
silent junco
Depends
iron schooner
silent junco
They look good but also really creepy
short gale
my first base mesh from scratch. still need to figure out the topology
runic nymph
proportions
onyx juniper
Don't be afraid to extrude the breasts instead of paste them on.
I don't think you've defined the shoulders so you might have a hard time rigging them later
dull canyon
anyone here working with a Blender + Substance Painter workflow? how does that usually look like when making an avatar from scratch?
median pike
I do.
after unwrapping the model I just do a basic texture to figure out any issues with the wrap, than I edit at any spots where stretches occur and such and than I just put it back in to substance painter and finish it off
dull canyon
by basic texture you mean just flat colors?
median pike
well first I test is seams arent causing problems by just using some simple transitions and flat colors
but afterwards I generally just do a simple design like layout where the fur color changes when I am making an anthro animal or basic colors of clothing
but no shading or details
I I usually use only diffuse for this part
median pike
I try to keep it at one for body and one for clothes
but if I need higher res than I just got another one
dull canyon
and then just export the textures and import everything in unity?
median pike
I usually import them in blender just in case I maybe need to adjust the uvs a bit at the end
median pike
good luck
dull canyon
do you do the normal baking in blender or painter?
median pike
I make my normals in Materialize but thats because I am addicted to that program lol
doing them in blender would probably be a better idea
signal zenith
Does anyone here know of any techniques I could learn to make my model look like he's made of clay and felt like in the actual Rudolph movie.
glad steeple
Normal maps and shaders can get that look
signal zenith
I'm not sure how to do those things.
onyx juniper
Trying for help with this again. Why are the edges toward the top sharp instead of smooth?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276471869857857548/648659561674440715/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276471869857857548/648659605991194666/unknown.png
dull canyon
@onyx juniper have you tried adding a loop cut or two there?
onyx juniper
That only moves the edgy area up
dull canyon
only other thing I can think of is somethingsomething smooth normals
iron schooner
You Like?
spiral sigil
is that scorbunny
spiral sigil
Did you need something?
spiral sigil
Pls help
hollow radish
ah yes slave labour
primal narwhal
If you're willing to pay for someone else to do them you can check the VRC Trader's discord server (top of the list in #community-servers-old ) and I'm sure that someone would be willing to take a commission. Otherwise, YouTube is your friend.
steady zealot
anybody know what could be causing this? Edges are marked as sharp, and seams. It's not the texture.
looks fine in solid mode
looks like this in unity
quaint jasper
Did you try to bake something ?
quaint jasper
What's the black part in solid mode then ?
steady zealot
There is no black part in solid mode, it looks fine
It only shows up in material preview mode
(and in unity)
quaint jasper
looks relevant to me since it's the same shape
steady zealot
I don't know what you're talking about
latent charm
@steady zealot Anything in the alpha channel? I've had stuff in there cause unexpected behaviour before.
steady zealot
Yeah, actually, huh. For some reason my AO map was in there
ok yeah I guess it was my AO map that was weird. Thanks!
dull canyon
@median pike another question, do you texture your hair in blender or painter? what kind of style do you usually do?
median pike
I dont texture anything in blender
And hair is welll
Hard
I am still learning how to do that lol
median pike
But what I usually do is just a flat lego hair style for now
dull canyon
https://i.imgur.com/ATAIwr1.jpg I was looking at these models and I feel like that's the general direction I wanna go
clearly stylized but not like completely flat
guess I'll try the texturing for the hair both in blender and painter when I get to it then
median pike
That shouldnt be too difficult
dull canyon
yea
I was considering hair cards, but they're a whole different beast and might not look as good in game
iron schooner
steady zealot
opaque jolt
How difficult would you say is it to model a character from scratch?
stable edge
depends
ashen stag
As long as you keep your expectations under check you should be fine. I always overestimate how good itll look and end up disappointed
opaque jolt
I know what I kinda want
And I got lots of free time
I just need to fight myself to get through the tutorials
hollow radish
Your going to need more free time than that
cause I need free time
and I have free time
wet brook
how do i make e y e s
hollow radish
depends what the eyes are for
hollow radish
that is the iris
wet brook
do i seperate them?
hollow radish
seperate what
wet brook
the iris and the outer part
cobalt wing
Omg, I think I'm going crazy.
fringe rock
Anime eyes should be concave
hallow bough
Seen people use a lattice deformer to fit an eyeball shape into the eye socket then texturing the eyeball. Seems like such a hassle to me though and doesn't look as well. It works better for non anime characters in my opinion.
dull canyon
yeah, I'll try doing an actual eyeball with the one I'm currently working on
wet brook
so should I join the iris and cornea seperately or merge them
dull canyon
if you're doing an anime style character just do one big oval
and texture the iris and cornea
wet brook
So the iris and cornea don't have to be seperated?
dull canyon
shift-a, circle, edit mode, select all, extrude inwards a bit, merge at center, add a few loopcuts, make it slightly elongated and move the center back or forward a bit, position in eye sockets
jagged eagle
ookay, i'll bite, whyy can blender and even paint 3d see my avatar's textures but not unity after a cats export?
wet brook
Okay-
jagged eagle
?
dull canyon
yep, looks about right
wet brook
thank you!
dull canyon
might wanna move the center with proportional editing a bit back of forth, usually back
dull canyon
the highlight can either be a separate mesh (careful with the wording) or just painted on
in the end your whole avatar should more or less be one object, just with separate meshes, but while you're still developing it having separate objects is fine
you just need to join everything before you export it to unity
runic nymph
hallow bough
Yes everything 😄
dusty badge
weird question
when projecting a texture using a sphere projection, is there by any chance a way to move the sphere it is using for the projection?
hm actually, might be able to using vectors..
bitter leaf
you could do this instead with the white of the eyes its easier to make following eyes without animation like they are always looking in direction. I find it more useful then playing around with the iris
dull epoch
How do you select all children in blender 2.81 using the outliner?
Previously you could do this by ctrl left click but they changed it so it doesnt work anymore!
Shift +g works but that is just painful compared to the old one, would like to know if i could get back the old method somehow
spiral sigil
you mean this?
quaint jasper
Ctrl + a ?
vivid crater
You can box select in the outliner now
dull epoch
yeah i want to select the parent as well as all children
ctrl + a doesnt do anything
box selection doesnt select all children
only the ones that are open
so for example: Im editing the armature and I want to delete the head as well as everything on it like hair, eye bones.
So for that I want a quick way to select the parent (head) and all children even the ones that are not open
this was done very easly in previous versions with ctrl left click but since the new update this doesnt work
Shift+g works but is way to slow and just a pain compared to the old method.
dusty badge
@bitter leaf problem with that mainly is how exactly the model's eyes are setup in the first place and its texture
source models do a method of eyes that honestly is so fucking complex
hm actually
dusty badge
ok so
i think i understand something now; the qc might actually be defining the texture's uv
on a "sphere" (all source eyes are mapped upon an invisible sphere right in front of the white)
blissful shadow
did not see this was shared so, https://www.blendernation.com/2019/09/09/add-on-modeling-cloth-for-blender-2-8/
is alternative of blender internal cloth sim with more real-time interaction and some tool is streamlined. also is sewing feature
stable edge
me too, thanks for posting!
dusty badge
i cant eye help
barren quiver
You could always box select in the outliner
dusty badge
update i eyed and also im too tired for this bs
spiral sigil
Alright my fellow 3d-modellers. I appear to be running into an issue with my FBX exporting process.
Currently using Blender I am attempting to export a new avatar that I've been working on; everyting appears to be correct in Blender, but upon export from blender and importing it into unity; the model is lacking a mesh. The rest of the hierarchy with its armature is present, but the Model's mesh has disappeared.
Inside of the .fbx's components under my assets section however the section labelled as my mesh is present but it is lacking any verts/tris. How can I go about fixing this issue?
((Also, heres some screenshots of the errors that are in unity is currently showing, and the state of the .fbx file in unity.))
Hopefully this helps (And I hope I put this in the right channel.. not sure where else to put it, in all honesty as its a FBX error which is all I've identified so far. Google hasn't helped me either)
I've also identified that the mesh renderer has strange bounds.
dusty badge
nan is a good center tbh
spiral sigil
Trooo
blissful shadow
apply scale on mesh perhaps. if not already it isn't 1
spiral sigil
mesh's scale is indeed set to 1 on all axis in blender
blissful shadow
origin is set as world centre?
spiral sigil
Correct!
blissful shadow
correct already it is centre or correct did so fixed it?
spiral sigil
It is indeed already center
blissful shadow
assumed so, odd to set so far as accident but worth check 
in transform panel is all three dimensions within reasonable range?
spiral sigil
0 0 0
blissful shadow
all say 0??? that shouldn't be so
spiral sigil
by transform are you referring to location or dimensions
blissful shadow
dimmensions
spiral sigil
X 13.3m
Y 9.71m
Z 20.4m
blissful shadow
for avatar that seem very big? gundam or something like? anyway it is not a problem i think. hmmm...
spiral sigil
part that makes it stranger is reimporting the fbx into blender again comes up fine, but importing it into unity breaks it
blissful shadow
generally it is sensible because blender/modeling suite has greater range for number than unity have.
still is odd.
spiral sigil
maybe I'll try scaling the model down a bunch
blissful shadow
can try in edit mode select all, Mesh > Clean up > Delete loose.
spiral sigil
I'll give that a go too
blissful shadow
maybe but, it is odd because unity say min and max of bounding box often are inline with root axes.
when import fbx to blender, still dimensions are accurate which you want?
also, in blend file before export, is any modifier more than Armature active?
spiral sigil
Non, the only active modifier is armature
Reimporting into blender keeps same dimensions
I cut down the models height by moving the decimal point along by one, so lets see if that works
it did not
blissful shadow
worth try but because the massive high number only change by factor 10 probably isn't enough.
ack! hmm
check scale for armature object if it is 1 or not.
spiral sigil
scale is indeed 1
blissful shadow
truly run low on possibility beyond scan data block for errant entry...
did create in 2.79 or 2.8+ ?
spiral sigil
2.81
blissful shadow
okei. are you fine to share blend file with me? maybe able to more easily scan to spot anomaly but otherwise with simple thing to check i cannot think of some
of course cannot guarantee solution if shared but still am interested to try
spiral sigil
Sure
rain mulch
So ehm
If I want help with something like: My teeth clip through my mouth in game but not in unity OR blender
Where do I do that?
spiral sigil
If you show a screenshot I'm sure you could get help here!
blissful shadow
anyone with interest of Capsy's issue, some shape keys had damaged vertex positions which is out of range for unity. solved with propogate to shapes from Basis in ctrl v menu on non-face vertices. for future reference. 👍
spiral sigil
SaSa is amazing 💜
blissful shadow
some possibility:
1- perhaps one of blink shape key also modify teeth. in blender check in edit mode by select any other shape key not basis
1.5- possibly non-blink shapekey also is cause. same check method.
2- teeth maybe weighted to jaw bone and when vrchat animation system active idle position is offset of expected. fix may be alter orientation of jaw bone.
when idle in vrchat does teeth randomly move?
rain mulch
No
blissful shadow
more probably is 1 or 1.5 issue. doubtful is you use jaw as lipsync option so 2 should not be such case but if it is so then...
blissful shadow
in blender do you know where shape key are listed?
rain mulch
Yh
blissful shadow
in edit mode, selected shape key in that list will activate it. just try each one and see if tooth do weird thing.
blissful shadow
checked with each shape key?
rain mulch
Yup
blissful shadow
could be some is additively blended. two way to test. in unity with different part of blendshape set to 100 and see if teeth get glitch
like this way
blissful shadow
so quick you checked each pair?
rain mulch
Oh
blissful shadow
though really i would think only some combination of blink blendshape is cause, checking multiple can help.
otherwise only thought is weighted to jaw bone and/or other bone which it should not be.
blissful shadow
for now nothing else i can't think of. when more people is on try to ask again. also try #avatars-2-general maybe
sorry
rain mulch
Ok, thanks
stable edge
could be your normals too
you might want to also check whats assigned for the rig in unity (mouth bones may be listed as eye bones)
rain mulch
Where do I check that? :p
stable edge
avatar in unity
rain mulch
Yeah but where
stable edge
select the model, under inspecter go to rig
should be humanoid and just customise the rig that was auto generated
then in the rigging menu change the eye bones to be the appropriate ones or none
stable edge
^^ i dont have unity open so i cant screenshot to guide
stable edge
nah i appreciate it!! 
blissful shadow
correct, jaw should be set. usually viseme lip sync option is used so most time this is so.
glossy tangle
any idea why the uv map shows highlighted orange even thought i have it deselected in the uvmap editor?
vivid crater
you can have em in select the same thing if you want i guess
glossy tangle
ah!!! ALT+P to unpin them. They were pinned for some reason. I must have tripped on a keyboard shortcut.
spiral sigil
can anyone who has maya help me out? trying to get some armour for one of my models but the only formats are .ma and i need em in fbx. thanks!
hope this is the right channel for it
spiral sigil
ive been trying to work with maya and its not working out well, if someone could yank it into maya and change it into an fbx fit for blender id be grateful :)
quaint jasper
What issue are you having ? Inport and export in Maya is pretty straight forward
arctic sluice
gotcha, sorry, will keep in mind
spiral sigil
so im not exactly the best with blender, and im currently trying to add a bone to this mesh. if anyone can tell me where to start off and how to finish thatd be helpful!
quaint jasper
I can't tell what it's supposed to be
spiral sigil
I don't know how that is supposed to transform.
its the way i had it, heres the better version
theres not many models of pompadours
quaint jasper
I'm still confused
primal narwhal
Unless you planned on using Dynamic bones, only thing you need to do is put it on your mesh and weight the vertices to the head
runic salmon
^
real grail
Question if I wanted to make a shirt and pants similar to this for someone who never used blender would it be easier to just find a model and chop it or to make it?
spiral sigil
@blinx find a model. either way. if its your first time in blender be prepared for a lot of frustration
dull canyon
https://i.imgur.com/h329TsL.png I'll never get myself to enjoy doing hands... why are they so hard to get right
dull canyon
:rooBlank:
neat ocean
WIP Millie. The shoulders are being a bit troublesome
silent junco
shoulders are another word for fuck you in my oppinion
spiral sigil
idk what in hells name that is but ok you do you
spiral sigil
how do i make two things one?
runic nymph
ctrl j
runic salmon
nice!
coarse kestrel
haughty pond
yo, I have a question! I accidentally installed blender 2.81 and it's messing with my brain. How do I enable selecting backfaces while I'm editing a model?
I already looked through the 2.81 documentation, but it just shows pictures of the old UI...
vivid crater
should be off by default, but heres where backface culling is
primal narwhal
You can press N I believe to pull up that menu fast
haughty pond
haughty pond
what in the world is lookdev
vivid crater
click on the one next to that
primal narwhal
Click on the all-white circle then hit the arrow, in the same little bar that the arrow is on
haughty pond
oohhhh!
vivid crater
the four balls are for the viewport modes, click the second one
haughty pond
Thank you! 🙂
vivid crater
thats like, the "pretty" mode
vivid crater
all it takes is a little move of options to completely confuse someone
haughty pond
and the textures are all different too, which also confuses my small brain
I'm just gonna redownload 2.79, I'm a big baby and I just wanna play as final fantasy characters
haughty pond
why does blender insist on yeeting random bones from .dae files
primal narwhal
Using .fbx is a good format for models in Unity
haughty pond
Maybe I should just swap to that... I'm using FFXIV models that naturally export as .dae files, so I figured it'd be good to save them like that, but then unity's like "wait. what direction were these bones facing again...?"
but only sometimes
runic nymph
import them into blender, export as fbx
youd also be able to fix/add whatever you may find
also, it probably yeets empty bones that dont have weight
haughty pond
thank you! 🙂
yeah, I think in the future I'll just use fbx files...
this guy is almost done, thank goodness, so hopefully the nonsense is over
runic nymph
fair winds o7
haughty pond
thank o7
cinder wraith
@warm jetty Are you using blender and substance painter?
dull canyon
hmm, so if I'm using actual spheres for my eyeballs, and I wanted to do shapekeys that for instance change the size of the iris, how would I best do this? if I just edge slide the edge that makes up the iris it will change the shape of the mesh and possibly look weird when looking closely
warm jetty
@cinder wraith yes I do
silent junco
I kinda continued and even i am afraid
little bramble
@silent junco yes. Good.
silent junco
Ok
dull canyon
@latent charm do you maybe have an idea how to approach this issue I wrote a bit further up?
once you're awake
dull canyon
nevermind, I think I've come to a conclusion
thorny fractal
substance painter
stable edge
eyup
barren kelp
carmine siren
Yo, I want to make a avatar but I don’t know how yet, I looked up how to make one but nothing pops up
@ me if u can help
tepid wagon
I was worried the internet has been deleted but no, everything including avatar tutorials are still there phew
median pike
@carmine siren buddy. I can guarantee theres even tor sites that talk about vrc avatar creation
did you google without any internet connection or what?
spiral sigil
That doesn't feel allowed.
median pike
neither allowed or in the correct channel
clever cypress
👍
median pike
wooo
carmine siren
what SDK do i install
primal narwhal
The current one if you want to upload and it work now. Can be found on the VRChat website.
steel stone
Is this were I ask about unwrapping?
median pike
Yeah sure
steel stone
I cannot figure out how to unwrap a prefab hair map, so I can put the map on custom meshes/colors
quaint jasper
Are all the hair strand individuals ? @steel stone
And are they all joined in the center
steel stone
Yes to both. @quaint jasper
quaint jasper
Joined by a single vertex ?
What happens if you go in edit mode and press L with your cursor on one of the vertex of your hair
quaint jasper
Screenshot ?
steel stone
quaint jasper
Neat, so now press space to get the search bar and type boundary
You should be able to select the boundary loop of that piece
steel stone
I did.
quaint jasper
Which you can then mark as a seam and then unwrap
steel stone
How do I mark a seam..sorry its my like third time in blender.
quaint jasper
Search bar and then seam
You can also click the edge text button at the bottom left corner of the view and it should be one of the option in the list
steel stone
Uv or mesh? and thank you so much
quaint jasper
Mesh
If you also want to make your life easier, there's a blender add-on for 2.79 that unwraps stuff in a rectangular shape
Super helpful if you want to move UVs on a gradient
steel stone
Can I have the link please?
quaint jasper
Am in my bed so you might have to search 
steel stone
Okiedokie, thanks for the help none the less.
median pike
I wish there was a too that can move parts of the uv and the texture under it at the same time so you can rearrange/ atlas without needing to allign stuff everytime
quaint jasper
There is
If you need to do something in 2.79, almost guaranteed there's an add-on for that
median pike
@quaint jasper I tried looking for them but never found one and yes I am on 2.7
steel stone
TYSVM
quaint jasper
Actually you might be able to select all hair and do the step for boundary + seam on all at once
quaint jasper
Is that unwrap or smart UV project ?
If that's the result of an unwrap then either the boundary loops were wrong, or something else happened, in which case you can still revert to the previous method and do it one by one @steel stone
silent junco
Pressing control E is a quicker way to do seams
I think he marked everything as a seam
quaint jasper
Yep possibly
silent junco
At least it seams that way
quaint jasper
Nice pun
steel stone
FOr me, yes. My hands always shake so getting right on it is a near impossibility
silent junco
You can zoom
There’s like a billion solutions
Actually not really a billion but there’s multiple
Also learn the control E shortcut
Allows you to mark seams and sharps a lot faster than searching
steel stone
I do understand that, but it is just tasking for me personally. As I said, I did get it sorted.
icy sluice
open terrace
@icy sluice resave thos pngs with any image editor to png but without compression/etc
neat ocean
Any wise words on how to weight paint a mantle? 😞
quaint jasper
use orthographic view from top by press 7 on num pad
and the use gradient weight paint brush from left to right
on the arm bone
but your arm bone might be too long already
it's moving part of the shoulder
neat ocean
Huh, fade tool really seems to do wonders for this, thanks for reminding me that exists
cold plank
For the featured avatar row, I'm really surprised by the suggestion for avatars to be 167cm (~5'6") to 180cm (~6'0").
In many parts of the world, the average woman's height is about 5 feet, which means half of all women are below that height
fully grown mind you, and vrchat is 13+
tepid wagon
Could be that prefabs for chair and overall world assets are more suited for avatars of that size
cold plank
That's like saying "chairs around the world are made for people over 5 feet tall"
while what you're saying is true, the same is true in the real world 🙂
tepid wagon
Well yeah although irl it works better - shorter people may just not have their feet reach the floor when they sit while* in game they sink inside the furniture
cold plank
that actually can be fixed on the avatar side
I can make a short avatar sit in a chair properly by changing the seated animation defualt
using vrchat's chair prefab as a guideline
tepid wagon
Would like to know the secret behind it
cold plank
it's extremely nice to have avatars that match your own height and proportions exactly, I rock one myself, I totally get that
but I'm suggesting they're aiming a little high
I bet over half or more of their players are under 5.6 😛
latent charm
in game they sink inside the furniture
Pretty sure this is one of the reasons why
Also it's a suggestion, not a hard rule from the sounds of it.
cold plank
true, I just think it's a bit tall
obviously you're more likely to be considered if you tick all the boxes, they might have been aiming for average heights of people generally speaking
latent charm
Nah, both numbers are within the average globally for each sex.
cold plank
but if the playerbase is 13+, and assuming 50% female, then the average should start at 4 foot 10 maybe a little shorter
latent charm
Global averages:
women: 163cm
men: 176cm
I see no problems whatsoever with the suggested height range.
cold plank
tepid wagon
wow I have super average hight
cold plank
I do. 😛
especially considering 13+. Maybe that's true for global average adult height, but it's pretty tall actually
every girl I know except 1 is at least 6 inches shorter than the suggested
ashen stag
I would assume the height recommendation has nothing to do with IRL, and more to do with the general height of avatars in game already. 6 feet tall is quite normal for nonanime characters
cold plank
yeah, usually following western averages for human height, but you'll find MOST MMD males are 170cm or below
because japan
ashen stag
Well then their range is fine imo, slightly taller than the anime stuff and slightly shorter than the other stuff. Right in the middle
cold plank
but yeah, when you think about it 50% of japanese men over 20 are under 5 feet 7 inches
under
and 50% of women are UNDER 158cm
which is a full 4 inches lower than their starting range
ashen stag
I don't understand why Japan matters in this situation, should go off global averages like gallium
cold plank
people under 18 are obviously shorter. I'm going by vrchat's playerbase, the majority of players are from america, japan, uk, eurozone, brazil, russia, south america, aus and a smattering from china, and I met a few people from south africa and trinidad too
it's not a huge deal, just that if we're going to put the time in for what is purely exposure it's best to aim for bullseyes
and I found that height recommendation surprisingly low considering who plays the game
latent charm
Yeah, in case it wasn't obvious each time I said global averages here it is again. global averages
cold plank
right, but vrchat is not played by a majority global average playerbase. There's a massive japanese playerbase where that is way too high
latent charm
And Scion makes a very good point, real-world heights don't mean shit here.
cold plank
that's exactly my point
a lot of people who play, say 30%, are under 18
another like, I dunno 15-20% are japanese
latent charm
Which invalidates all your prior points, namely that the height guides are under or over whatever range you think is acceptable.
ashen stag
People don't pick avatars based on their real world height. If anything the height that only matters is the height relative to other avatars
cold plank
then why suggest 5 foot 6 at all
ashen stag
Because that is in average in game
cold plank
I can tell you, with all the confidance in the world that the average is probably more like 3ft lol
not that I think that should be the minimum lol
ashen stag
Lolis and very short avatars don't count, I'm talking about normal humanoids
cold plank
if you're going by normal humanoids, let's say TDA or Sour or LAT base MMD mesh?
Average is 4ft 11
and below
more on the below side
ashen stag
Ok, then you get all the tall Spartans and other game rips and bam, 5'6 average
cold plank
the percentage of those vs remixes of open mmd models is like 60:1
ashen stag
That depends on your friend group
cold plank
I'm an authority on this, trust me. ACross the game in average, it's 60:1. I thought we were talking about the entire playerbase?
ashen stag
Even then the default avatar row is not exclusively anime, so it shouldn't be as short as anime
cold plank
that's because the default avatar row has to be unique models and there's selection bias
but yet the most popular ones by far are 2a-7s LC and similar
just like it was unity-chan before
who btw is 4.10
meiko too
who is super short
I dunno, just an opinion, I appreciate the feedback from you folks
ashen stag
Gonna be honest I don't even look at the public avatars row or even use public avatars. I'm tall biased so for me 6 foot is normal
cold plank
mmhumm, I get that. I've spend a lot of time with a massively wide variety of people in the last almost 6 years and I think if they polled the userbase the result would be clear
a really easy way to figure that out would be to look at the most popular avatar ids in the database by usage over the last 12 months
I DON'T think they should base the suggestions on that though, something fresh would be really cool
I'm sure most of you agree
latent charm
I think you're making a big deal over nothing and that the ranges posted are fine.
cold plank
I think the minimum height is almost a foot too tall
That's really my only gripe
and if it negatively impacts the selections that sucks
ashen stag
Minimum height is there because the hand menu starts breaking when your avatar is too small or too large, depending on the world
If the camera cut off is too soon then you can't even use the menu as a tiny avatar
cold plank
I make my avatars to exactly my own height, with my own proportions. If I was to do that for my wife, it would be 6 inches shorter than that.
that's all I'm sayin'
ashen stag
I don't have a single avatar that's my exact height, it ranges from 2 feet tall to 7 feet
cold plank
and she's taller than most of her friends.
so if furnature and props are scaled to global averages, as they arre in the real world, 5.6 is asking a lot
digital harness
i dont understand the 3d model making 😦
fringe rock
It's an art in making
silent junco
My avatar size goes from 30cm to 3 meters
slow zealot
the cats plugin really dislikes this model ...hitting fix model destroys the weighpaint of the shoulder bones and after manually fixing the armature and getting cats to add eye tracking this happens
all weightpainting gone except for the hip bone area
small cloud
manually fixing armature
to me that seems to be the issue, it's you did something wrong and not cats breaking it
cobalt prism
Hello Ladys and Gentleman, is there someone who knows how to edit vsimes? Example: Adding a Piercing to the toung and it will move with the Vrc visimes like (AA) pls PN me if you have Knowlege about that.
ashen stag
You have to edit each blendshape manually in blender and move the piercing where it would be when the mouth is in that position
cobalt prism
yes ive benn told that before but i still dont know how to do that
is there someone who can show me or have a video about it?
ashen stag
cobalt prism
this is about creation not editing
but its fine someone helped me thenk you anyways
ashen stag
Editing and creation is the same thing but whatever
cobalt prism
no its not
ashen stag
If you know how to create a viseme you'll know how to edit them, I linked the video because it shows the location of the menus that you would need
cobalt prism
oh yeah thenk you but i m not new to blender its just i never needed to play around visims and the Vrc shape keys are made in cats thats why
but dw i know how to do it now thenks my lad 🙂
silent junco
It’s literally the same method
warm jetty
silent junco
When you walking
silent junco
Make it do some animation to test the rig
steady zealot
Anybody know how to fix these normals on the Blender side of things without setting the import settings in Unity to Calculate the normals automatically? I guess the issue was created when I used a mirror modifier on a mesh with custom normal data.
left is how it currently looks, right is how I want it to look (but without letting unity automatically calculate for me)
vivid crater
In blender edit mode select all and search up set normal from faces
steady zealot
didn't work
vivid crater
Do you have it set to smooth or something too?
steady zealot
no the edges are sharp
silent junco
Do you have sharps marked
steady zealot
yes
tepid wagon
What do you have in export settings in Geometry -> Smoothing?
silent junco
It’s for testing
steady zealot
silent junco
You can also rip the edges I guess
tepid wagon
Can you try changing smoothing to edges only?
silent junco
Changing blender settings will not really change anything
Seeing as it’s blender settings
steady zealot
changing to edges only seems to have sort of worked
tepid wagon
some different issue?
tepid wagon
A hole appeared in it?
silent junco
That’s probably a normal facing the wrong way
steady zealot
there's a tiiiiiny hole in the middle, so I could unwrap it as rectangles (quads) to position the UVs along an edge
like a trimsheet
silent junco
I have no idea
tepid wagon
Are you planing to make a texture on it that will be easier to make flat and it will wrap in round shape on the mesh?
steady zealot
I'm using an existing texture
tepid wagon
and it is rectangular?
steady zealot
yes
Technically it's reused from another part of the mesh
This model is essentially a heaaaavily edited model
tepid wagon
would it be ok to spare some tris to make an edge loop around the opening?
steady zealot
As in I made the blade from scratch and am using the textures on the original model and trimsheet style UVs around that
silent junco
Are you using any other map than texture map
silent junco
Can you show them for that part
steady zealot
silent junco
Spec?
tepid wagon
Do you have sharp edge around this micro opening?
silent junco
He has
steady zealot
I think so
but I can't get close enough to check
is there a zoom extents shortcut
silent junco
Control scroll wheel?
tepid wagon
I understand you don't want to try making another edge loop around the opening to see will it keep it from expanding? Those are triangles though so you gotta use "I" key instead and delete the outer edge loop cos it will be unnecessary
Actually they may be quads
steady zealot
It is marked as sharp
anyway, yeah, the circle is made of quads
that's why there's a small hole in the center
so that they aren't tris
so why does setting export to edges only fix it?
is there no way to fix the normals?
no kind of reset?
tepid wagon
I don't know. I only remember making model and exporting with edges smoothing was always exporting correctly while with normal smoothing it was adding random sharp edges so I thought I could try telling you about it and maybe solve the problem
Do you can Textools addon @steady zealot ?
Nvm I just tested something and it isn't working after all. Sorry for the ping
spiral sigil
Thank you so much
steady zealot
Np
vivid crater
Cover up them toes, scandalous harlot
spiral sigil
Does anyone know how to make a model gradually thinner or fatter when selecting a group and such using this
edgy kiln
i kinda want to make a vrchat model but i dont know how to do ANYTHING
trail forum
Im in the same boat. Ive been watching tutorials, but I really want to learn how to change out the hair and eye colors and clothes what have you
hollow radish
learn the basics first so you get an idea of what to search for specifically
trail forum
Do you have any suggestions on where to start? I've seen some tutorials on how to port them and everything, or even optimize them before putting them into unity and all that. At this point I want to just learn how to change up the models.
hollow radish
well, materials are assigned to polygons on a model
each material can have a texture or just a plain colour
each mesh can have 0 or more materials
changing clothing depends on what you want to go for
some people make clothing from the body itself cause it saves time and the clothing bends similar to the body
since similar topology
trail forum
Ah? Rather than using downloaded things?
hollow radish
downloaded things?
trail forum
I saw tutorials how they downloaded clothing from deviantart, imported it, and then attached it to the model
hollow radish
this is a #3d-modeling channel, might be best to talk in #avatars-2-general or #avatars-mmd
silent junco
Textures could use some improvements
oak notch
Yes
echo kraken
yes!
hello
can you help me?
can some one help me with the blender cats plug in? the i dont know how to get the plug in in cause user prefrance isnt poping up
iron schooner
okay but you like
onyx juniper
Why is this selection mirrored in Blender and how do I make it stop?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276471869857857548/653387564065095720/unknown.png
spiral sigil
Do you have the mirror modifier on?
echo kraken
Can anyone help me?
spiral sigil
Sure, watcha need
onyx juniper
@spiral sigil Yes mirror is on
The painted bones have .l and .r designations though
spiral sigil
Well there you go, that's your problem.
Apply the mirror and start painting
onyx juniper
That's BS, I've not had this problem before with painting weights on limbs with active mirror modifiers
indigo stirrup
I must be real stupid but uhh, how do I enable grids on the facing axis when in orthographic view? https://raytracing-benchmarks.are-really.cool/8yikWr9.png
Everything on Google is about disabling them
echo kraken
@spiral sigil can u help me with the blender cats plug in? the i dont know how to get the plug in in cause user prefrance isnt poping up
indigo stirrup
press ctrl-alt-u
echo kraken
nothing is happening
indigo stirrup
Are you using Blender 2.8/2.81 or 2.79
look in the menubar
under edit
at the bottom
echo kraken
i clicked prefrences
indigo stirrup
if you alt-tab, is it there
the last time a bug that caused the settings window to not show up was reported in 2.78, so like many many years ago
indigo stirrup
- dont extract the zip
- just import the zip directly
- you might have to do this https://raytracing-benchmarks.are-really.cool/5SyTgsS.png
and most importantly
Also, #avatars-2-general
indigo stirrup
check testing at the top
echo kraken
indigo stirrup
actually, what did you download
echo kraken
??
indigo stirrup
inb4 you clicked this https://raytracing-benchmarks.are-really.cool/AbYN2ag.png
indigo stirrup
nevermind then
echo kraken
?
indigo stirrup
if you'd downloaded the github repo instead of a release that would've explained stuff
echo kraken
oh im sorry
indigo stirrup
and actually I checked, CATS' is supposed to show up under Community...
And now I have no idea, either it's something that's super obvious to me but that you're doing wrong
or your Blender is fucked
echo kraken
did i download the wrong one?
indigo stirrup
no thats the right thing
echo kraken
I'm completely lost and worried i did something wrong
indigo stirrup
I'm even more lost
echo kraken
im sorry
indigo stirrup
nah nah, its fine
echo kraken
um so now what?
echo kraken
hello?
quaint jasper
You should really follow the tutorial on the cats download page or any tutorial on YouTube, this doesn't seem to be working
It's usually a few simple steps
echo kraken
i looked at tutorials but
that is the one thing that gets in the way
i cant put cats onto blender
quaint jasper
Then you enable the add-on and click save
quaint jasper
Are you seeing errors ?
echo kraken
what do you mean by errors
also is the the right one? this is the most recent one it seems
quaint jasper
Get 2.8 basic then
quaint jasper
Add-on support and reliability
echo kraken
also how do i get 2.8 basic?
quaint jasper
Doesn't matter
quaint jasper
then look for mirror downloads of 2.80 elsewhere
echo kraken
isnt 2.81 add on support and reliability
echo kraken
oh shit thank you