3d-modeling

[formal wave]

Even if I did know, I can't because I'm at work...

[abstract crane]

what in the hee haw yee haw is going on?

[formal wave]

...

[spiral sigil]

how do i make it to where it uploads a whole other avatar rather than replacing the existing one?

[spiral sigil]

Detach the blueprint id on the pipeline component

[glossy tangle]

In case anyone wants it... I made jens flute from the Dark Crystal.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=18fwm8qWLgw-4zS6h3x3W7ZLvSM8LQKG0

[proud wadi]

3D artist here, (its my dayjob) feel free to ask any questions regarding modeling or texturing (no rigging, lol I suck at that)

I use Blender, Maya, Zbrush, Substance, Photoshop, and Substance Painter.

So if anyone has modeling/texturing questions, hit me up and I'll do my best to answer. People have helped me out, so I wanna help yall out.

[tepid wagon]

Is there a way to make a profile in Blender that will follow certain path while having the same crossection everywhere?

[glossy tangle]

i have a question regarding texturing, when modifying textures, im noticing it appears some models have a "mirror" modifier or symetry set because the UV layout only shows half the models face... how would I go about changing that because i see no "mirror modifier" in the modifier stack so it has me confused as to how symetry is being used for UV layout....

Example, If i want to add a birthmark (green dot for example purposes) its setting on both sides...

[spiral sigil]

There's two uv islands stacked on top of each other.
Separate them, or if you want you can use cats atlas tool to separate them for you.

[proud wadi]

oh ok Just saw, if its directed at me don't foregt to tag me!

@tepid wagon yes!

you need a curve, and a profile

what does the crosssection look like?

there is a way to do it with just curves

and theres a way to do it using an array modifier, and a curve modifier

if you describe the shape I might be able to help better

[tepid wagon]

I already have it modelled with different technique but I really would like to know how to make it quickest way possible, I will sent pics soon

[glossy tangle]

@spiral sigil im checking for stacked uv's but not seeing any. (thought not really sure how to check for sure - still learning)

[tepid wagon]

https://gyazo.com/f3f3cf5dfe48a29bbc407a15fbbd151f

https://gyazo.com/f5c58bd5f089775b65cc6a94cca01910

[proud wadi]

nice! lookds good

make two seperate pieces, grab them in edit mode, convert to curves

then you need to plug one of the curves into the bevel of the other

although honestly, for just a simple curve like that

I would just use the bridge modifier and add cuts in the modifier, it will automatically smooth out the angle

[tepid wagon]

I see. I tried with converting to curves but it comes out looking wrong, lemme show you

[proud wadi]

yeah, getting it do do it along the right axis is tricky sometimes

[tepid wagon]

https://gyazo.com/87294575144252f3b4539c8a86571014

[proud wadi]

ahh ok

try freezing transforms

specifically location, rotation and scale

so.. all of them lol

@glossy tangle sorry yeah @spiral sigil is right. The UVs are overlapping

see how only half of the face is in the UVs

[tepid wagon]

oof got same result after frezzing, maybe some other options are incorrect?

https://gyazo.com/2879b1861567c4909a57cb238d484888

[proud wadi]

both sides of the head mesh are using the UVs from only the right side @glossy tangle

let me try real quick to make sure I'm telling you the right stuff @tepid wagon

oh sorry

[tepid wagon]

I converted both meshes to curves, is that how it is done?

[proud wadi]

yeah thats what you need for this method

I think I mis spoke about freezing location hold on

[tepid wagon]

I also got 1.0 scale, rotation and location at 0

[proud wadi]

make sure you're putting the right curve into the right bevel

put the profile (small piece) in the "bevel object" section of the long piece

[tepid wagon]

I did but it came out funky like I show and if I do it the other way it is also not right

https://gyazo.com/d16bf8fda9e42d5d0386ccf49a9e9a84

[proud wadi]

ack

shoot. idk man, maybe if I was there I could help, its kinda hard without seeing everything.

[tepid wagon]

I don't get it cos I followed a tutorial thinking I did everything like they said and I only getting those wierd results

[proud wadi]

Honestly if this were me, I'd use a different method

I usually prefer arraying a mesh along a curve

more steps but more controllable

and it works with more complex shapes

[tepid wagon]

is there a tut for it?

[proud wadi]

hmm I'll look

[glossy tangle]

@proud wadi @tepid wagon i see. Ok so only half is used... but.... is there a way to reverse that and tell it to use the whole face ? or where do i find those settings? I never knew one could do that with UV. seems handy if both sides are to be identical.

[proud wadi]

https://youtu.be/YQ8chdrYn-8?t=410

[tepid wagon]

@glossy tangle I think you need to hide half of your mesh and than go to your UV and move the island somewhere else to unstack them

[proud wadi]

here someone's doing it the other way

[tepid wagon]

@proud wadi Ok, thank you for your help!

[proud wadi]

no problem! @tepid wagon

@glossy tangle You'll have to select the other half and flip it. Although I should warn, your texture and everything is already set up to be mirrored

if you flip the other side of the head UVs there wont be anywhere on the texture map to put them

so you'll h ave to re do the textures

what's the goal, do you only want to add a mole on one side?

or do you want to learn how to UV and Texture from scratch?

[glossy tangle]

Thats fine. im not affraid of having to repaint i just dont know how that was done to begin with and trying to wrap my head around it.

Well, im trying to add the mole to just one side.

[proud wadi]

lol want a cheat way?

just add a polygon right on top of it

put the mole on that

[glossy tangle]

but if it means relearning how to uv i dont mind...
the more i knowt he better.
Oh! good idea too. transparent png on it...

[proud wadi]

yeah! exactly

depends on what you need/what you want to learn

[wooden gust]

yo I Watch child porn

[tepid wagon]

@glossy tangle It was modelled with mirror modifier and unwrapped. The UV islands have been stacked on top of one another and they stay that way even after modifier have been applied

[proud wadi]

unless you hit "mirror U" in the modifier

[glossy tangle]

Ok im sorry if i seem a little dense at this... so i select the whole face... edit mode, u to unwrap... all over again or what was this about selecting half and unhiding? ?

[daring karma]

<@&397642795457970181>

[tepid wagon]

@glossy tangle If you try moving an island it will move both I believe so to prevent that you need to have only half of the mesh selected for example half of the characters face. It will cause only half of the island to be visible in UV layout and then you will be able to move it independently

by island I mean a part of a mesh that has no seams so it is a single piece on the UV map

[glossy tangle]

oh! i see what you are saying

managed to get both to show now

but they seem to be the same side.

[tepid wagon]

Good. I actually just tried it and was able to move them independently even after selecting both though

Just press L to select entire island

[glossy tangle]

aha

[tepid wagon]

You may want to leave them stacked however to save up space if both parts will look the same

[glossy tangle]

true... just trying to find ways that give me more liberty to modify the texture. \

[tepid wagon]

It depends what texture you want for it. I had to have everything that is in the center of my avatar unstuck on the UV as I was getting visible seams as both skin and cloths have texture to it

[proud wadi]

Great tips @tepid wagon

[tepid wagon]

I see so it won't be symmertical I guess

[proud wadi]

getting rid of seams is tricky, being able to paint in 3d makes it easier

[glossy tangle]

right. trying to find a way to make it antisimetrical but it seems the best option is just redoing the uvmap...

[proud wadi]

I love substance painter for that

yeah agreed, if you want it to be drastically asymmetrical. you'll need to start over on the UVs and Texture

[tepid wagon]

@proud wadi #4987 I made my texture in Substance and used triplanar mode (I think) and the seam wasn't visible on the face but was visible on cloths for some reason so I decided to separate the islands

[glossy tangle]

Ok one more question about texturing...
lets say I took a model, re-made the breast because I dont like mega-milks-jugs on the model...
The way i did it was delete existing breast, and extrude new shape and form it. then when i went into uv map, it was missing... so i selected the missing mesh section and hit unwrap... it put two circles on the map... but not connected at all to anything.

this is what i ended up with (again same issue of body being 1/2 mesh only...

[tepid wagon]

Well you created new pieces of mesh that need to be put on the texture somewhere

[glossy tangle]

but now its a pain if i wanted to paint chest area...

[tepid wagon]

Can't you just scale them down? I mean the old ones?

If you were to scale them down they would stay on your UV map

[glossy tangle]

i tried scaling them but they were so huge... DDD didnt look right

[tepid wagon]

Are they gonna be symmertical?

[glossy tangle]

thats why i remade. but not sure if they can be reconnected?

yeah

[tepid wagon]

I think you can reconnect with "weld" or "stitch" options

[glossy tangle]

i ended up with two meshes... so i just stacked them.

Weld/stick in the uv map?

i mean as it is its attached to the model... it was extruded from existing mesh

its just not attached in uv

[tepid wagon]

Yeah, the options are visible if you press T and go to "Tools" and "UV Tools"

[glossy tangle]

i really appreciate you helping will try. brb

[tepid wagon]

I think if you select one vert the otherr one should be then highlighted and you may than stitch it, I'm not sure though

[daring karma]

don't wanna derail, but I ironically have a substance-related question

anyone know why my textures would look alright in substance but warp/get messed up in Unity when they're the same mesh?

[spiral sigil]

Is this supposed to happen?

[tepid wagon]

@daring karma Unfortunately I don't remember this happen to me and I don't know what is wrong. That is cool clock btw

[daring karma]

Dang, I was thinking maybe it has something to do with Unity's triangulation - but I have no clue! It does it in a few other spots too, I'm tryina chase it down 🤔 (Thanks btw!)

[tepid wagon]

@spiral sigil Idk but I googled: Magenta can mean two things AFAIK, either the shader is broken or you have an unassigned material; The latter is the case here.

[spiral sigil]

Im new to this whole uploading a model thing so Im not sure what most of that means lol

[tepid wagon]

Did you create material and put texture to it?

[pulsar kayak]

you might want to switch the shader, either the shader is missing or its corrupt

try using standard or Unlit for now

i'd recommend to get a simple toon shader from some kind of website

or whatever look you are aiming for

switching the shader, select both materials (pink spheres), on the top right in your unity there is the inspector

there you can select some built-in shaders, as well shaders that you imported into your project

[spiral sigil]

thank you so much

[formal wave]

I need help on how to color this.

Someone mentioned that I need to unwrap the shapes by making seams first, but I don't know how...

[stable edge]

Select edges -> edge -> mark seam. Select all of mesh -> UV -> unwrap.

[glossy tangle]

im having some issues getting dynamic bones working on a model im editing.
I can get it working fine on ears and tail, but not on breast. I can move breast fine using the bone that is weighted, but when assigning dynamic bone, it does nothing even after inputting the settings. It acts as if all Axis are locked.

anyone heard of that behavior ? if so what to check?

looks like i have it weight painted correctly... see anything wrong? Does it have to be two bones?

yet in here... nothing.

[fringe rock]

simple

in blender subdivide your bone

so you have 2

dyna need a end bone. sort of

https://youtu.be/xJ9xzCRr0gY?t=456 watch this for a few second @glossy tangle

@glossy tangle

[glossy tangle]

Thanks. Will try that in a moment.

@fringe rock once subdivided do i need to assign the weight to the tip? As it is now, subdivited, the tip has no weight

[fringe rock]

no need to have weight like i done in the video . 💁 Did you try at least

you can overight the unity file so no need to redo all the components

[glossy tangle]

well i subdivided, but there are no weights assigned to the tip...

im staring at a purple mesh...

trying to make sense of it for a sec.

[fringe rock]

If you dont understand what I just say. Cant help you

[fringe rock]

https://youtu.be/xJ9xzCRr0gY?t=456

I never mention weigh paint In my initial explication. why you bring that up. In the video I say boom here you go.

[glossy tangle]

I mentione it because after subdivide of bone, the tip does nothing. I assumed I have to add weight paint.

[fringe rock]

boom here you go

[dull canyon]

https://i.imgur.com/FTwcBU7.jpg so when you're sculpting a model, how are you supposed to do the cavities for eyes and mouth and such?

I just went in with the draw brush and pushed the mesh in so the eyeballs will fit, but I feel like that's not the way you're supposed to do it

[uneven saffron]

anyone here willing to teach a poor fellow or at least know a video for me to learn basic modeling in unity

[tepid wagon]

Unity isn't really made for modelling. You can put in some basic shapes and scale them but thats it. Use Blender instead, it is free.

[uneven saffron]

oh ok thx

[tepid wagon]

Download Blender 2.8 and learn using it. There are more tutorials on 2.79 but 2.8 has more user friendly UI and you should be able to learn it faster

[zenith relic]

blender 2.8 is a little easier to use...and helps in some cases to build faster.

but also u need a decent comp for that too..

graphic card required.

[dull canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfEyhPXsOCM&list=PLqsAe_7tKzCWqJ0_ZQ1ALUTw80CFmQtk6&index=7&t=0s so if I did my eyes like this in Blender, would there be any way to actually import it into unity to retain all those effects?

like, the shine and gloss and everything

I guess the actual texture for the iris has to be baked

and for the gloss I guess a roughness map, assuming the shader supports it?

[glossy tangle]

Hi, so i used cats to try and apply full body fix... but im having some issues im not sure how to resolve. my character ends up looking like this in game...

when it should look like this...

So i switched from humanoid to generic, applied and switched back from generic to humanoid... applied again seems to have fixed it. Old meta-data? Seems to be fine now. I wont know for sure until i get home to try it on full body.

[fresh dragon]

Yes that is how u fix that @glossy tangle

[indigo stirrup]

What would be the best way to fix this mess of normals? https://bocchi.is-pretty.cool/5bhpdaw.png

[quaint jasper]

Select all and make normals consistent

[indigo stirrup]

like, recalculate normals? cause that aint helpin much

I went the lazy way, duplicated the vertices and flipped them

[quaint jasper]

Make normals consistent is a blender action

[indigo stirrup]

I read up on the interwebs

and it seems those two are the same thing

[quaint jasper]

[tepid wagon]

https://gyazo.com/c98372b0695fda3ee4c5b9b94a867756

The legendary donut tutorial has been updated to 2.8

[thorny fractal]

the antichrist has returned

[quaint jasper]

You mean our lord and savior Blender Guru

[thorny fractal]

to each their own

[hallow bough]

Why the anti christ xD

[wheat delta]

Real-time donuts

[frosty plinth]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/476775601

[quaint jasper]

The rotation seems really wrong, isn't the bone tail supposed to be in the center of the eye mesh ? @frosty plinth

[frosty plinth]

The eye bones were wonky, so i just used it the way it came as... ill fix it later on.. 😄

[quaint jasper]

Also interesting to use automatic weight paint instead of assigning weight through vertex groups

[frosty plinth]

Thanks

[vivid crater]

Donut maker is back

[desert crown]

@vivid crater do you know if the back-top matters when rigging for the bone "chest" ?

is it both top-back and top-front?

[quaint jasper]

It's everything around the bone

[desert crown]

thanks ruubick! just needed to make sure

[desert crown]

vertex weighting is much more accurate than weight painting, but slowly

[quaint jasper]

I wasn't aware there was a difference

[glad steeple]

I wasn't aware either, can we get a source?

[desert crown]

well i'm doing it through vertex group as you see there on the screenshot, not sure if thats your meaning of vertex weighting, but it does mean vertex weighting for me if i am not wrong. Based on this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mCkZ0ouNz4

ofc it all started with this video

ever since then i decided to expand not only the breast, but also other mesh and rig from there.

i do use mixamo to already rig the basics bone from before hand, everything else like hair, clothes, breast are extra added bones and then proceeding as that video described

[quaint jasper]

Yeah I guess it's a method, but it's rough as hell

[desert crown]

yeeee

but very accurate

no clipping for 1st result if you do it carefully

@glad steeple was that the source you wanted?

[glad steeple]

I can't watch it right now but I do appreciate it

[desert crown]

sure

[copper slate]

Does anyone have any advice for how to add decent looking fingers to a model that has none (A knob for hands)? I haven't really done much with models themselves up until this point apart from the usual porting/bone rigging

I'd assume the whole hand would need to be reworked

[quaint jasper]

You could find a free model, take the hands and add them to your existing model

[copper slate]

... Why didn't I think of that. Thanks!

[azure rain]

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbooth.pm%2Fen%2Fitems%2F1381874 this model has some pretty good hands that are very reasonable in their polygon count

https://booth.pm/en/items/1381874

[frosty plinth]

@desert crown I’ll make a tutorial when I get to it...

[desert crown]

with the vertex weight group?

its the best rigging by far, it just takes a long time

[frosty plinth]

DM if you need a push

[desert crown]

i'll keep that in mind thank you!

[hallow bough]

When doing retopology would you guys recommend using a subdivision modifier or adding as many verts as needed manually?

[quaint jasper]

You should look into RetopoFlow plugin

[blazing hill]

yo, how do i select all the children of a bone in blender? ya boi arion is using blender for a bit ree :S

[tepid wagon]

Select parent bone -> Shift G -> Children

[blazing hill]

ty @tepid wagon

[potent pond]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/lVn6eo

Last model that i did
Video of the process it's on the description :3

OC design it's from Hiroki (Hiroki-art) named Hiroyi-chan~

[spiral sigil]

omg thats so beautiful!

great work

[potent pond]

Thankies! (i do really need to do hands better next time lol i was a pain ;_ ; )

[quaint jasper]

Were you able to turn the previous one into a VRC model ?

[potent pond]

Not yet, sadly since i'm trying to make some models for a portfolio to move abroad soon as i can
(My country is blowing up economically, Argentina)
But as soon as i have a free time i gonna go back to work in the other one, i need to do like 2/3 more models to have something to show.
;_ ;

The only one that i could make into VRchat (More than my OC Miushy) It's the Death love and robot Cutie

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/xzeqy1

few friends rigged it and another friend made the visemes

[quaint jasper]

That'ss awesome !

[potent pond]

So yeah as soon as i finish a few models more i gonna be doing retopo and optimizing it for Vrchat :3 ♥

[quaint jasper]

Also, what hardware are you working off of ?

Sorry I meant if you were using a tablet to sculpt

[potent pond]

LOOL

I cleaned it

No, i sold my Tablet

so i can move abroad

all of that is pure mouse

[quaint jasper]

Impressive !

Which country are you aiming for ?

[potent pond]

Europe / Spain / Barcelona

I've double citizenship so i can stay legal

😚 the most important fact hahahah!

There is so much stuff i want to model :eyes_shaking:

i've 4 in sight, also i saw in VRC traders a few comissions that even if they pay for it i kinda dont care lol, i gonna do them just for fun when i have free time.

[quaint jasper]

Better to get paid !

[potent pond]

That for sure, but if doesnt happen then i just gonna do it anyways (just not telling the owner until it's done and maybe the person do like it ~) I wont mind donations! hahahha

[onyx juniper]

@potent pond As soon as I saw him in that episode I thought of VRChat

It was inevitable

[potent pond]

insert thanos meme

yeah same, but never thought it was going to be me the one who was going to make it

hahahah, but a friend told me "i want that avatar", so then i said, "Wait i can make it", and i did it lol

[slender holly]

that is a vey broad question for a very difficult question

are you wanting to modify an existing model or create from scratch

[tepid wagon]

The easiest way would be to put it together from some primitive shapes, rig and weight paint it

[azure rain]

but downsides you look like you're from the 80s CGI

which I suppose you can make work

[tepid wagon]

I just told them what is in my opinion the easiest way to make a 3D character, which is what they asked for, they did not specify any particular type of 3D character

[slender holly]

Honestly, you dont need anything except blender.

Theres some good courses on Udemy

but you dont need fancy tools or expensive programs if you want to create from scratch, youre just gonna need to start learning the basics of blender, Bevel, modifiers, textures, UV mapping, Rigging anotomy and other things

https://www.udemy.com/

@void shoal

so in short theres no real easy way of making 3D models by scratch, if you dont want to be just another kitbasher on deviant art, you need to put in the work

[azure rain]

and even if you were an MMD kit Basher you need to learn blender

[azure rain]

https://twitter.com/artofallan/status/1164023854798295040

Allan D. Parker (@artofallan)

Looking for rug ideas? Just stretch those UVS out!

Twitter

https://twitter.com/artofallan/status/1164048847871459328

Allan D. Parker (@artofallan)

@Mrdodobird Thanks for letting the world peer into the eyes of the lazy man, How far can we go? What about a single texture for a whole scene? https://t.co/CRirtxyHrW

▶ Play video

Twitter

[glad steeple]

I did this for the Junkyard & Crafty Climbers 😊

[mossy tendon]

ah yes

a place for 3d modeling

anyone mind to give me a helping hand with blender?

[potent pond]

I skip your question , I'm a Maya / zbrush modeler lol, if I knew blender I would tell you 👌

[tepid wagon]

If you don't mind telling what you need to know than maybe someone will be able to help you with Blender

[mossy tendon]

clicked fix model comes up pink

fixes when i import it into unity right

[quaint jasper]

Not a modeling question but yes

@potent pond Are you ever going to give blender sculpting a try ?

[potent pond]

Damn yes i will! ♥ , i've seen videos around of Blender 2.8 and they look damn good. Even Rendering with Eve and Cyclops i think they are called. I've seen retopology tools and even Addons that are kinda Marvelous designer.
I'm prepared to receive in my life Blender, i have a secret mega list of addons for what i actually do, but for me i need to understand first the UI, i'm kinda.. Lost and mostly is the fault of been multi program.
I know 3dMax, Maya, Zbrush, Modo, (almost nothign blender), 3Dcoat, Mudbox, Substance painter, Marvelous designer, Photoshop, Meshmixer, etc etc. And allll those UIs are conflicting in my head all the time.

Tried Blender long time ago when i started playing Vrchat in January 2018, so i could learn how to do proper videogame avatar (I normally do advertisement and it's much different lol, at least the workflow we use here).
But Blender scared me a bit and mostly because it's a new UI to learn and re discover stuff. I want to skip the basic tutorials but i cant :eyes_shaking:
Funny fact is that... many friends know that i support CAT TOOLs, i'm the first button on supporters, i've been there since 15 months .... but i dont know blender so i just support because i know many people use it, and supporting their effort in the tools is giving people the chance create more stuff, and if they create stuff i can enjoy their creations too so we all win lol-

So resume, Yes, i will but first i need to work on this portfolio thing i'm doing to escape from here with my actual knowledge lol.
Gotta go fast @quaint jasper
Time is ticking and i've 2 months left Awooo!

[quaint jasper]

I believe in you !

[silent tapir]

Me making First Robo Give me thoughts yes First time really using blender for this

[quaint jasper]

@silent tapir if you're making a robot you should look into using the mirror modifier, you only need to make half the model and the otheer side is automatic

and it'll be symmetrical

[spiral sigil]

for something one starts

[gentle sonnet]

Hey, got some issues with blender when i try to fix my model or merge any armatures to it.
Was working completely fine with no problems earlier, then i exported the fbx and put it in unity but had to go back to blender and now it crashes whenever i merge armatures, fix model or join meshes.

[old field]

[covert fractal]

So I have a model someone made for me for free. It has an auto-blink thing going on.
Problem is, when having an 'Eye Closed' animation (in Unity) and the blink fires, the blink goes through the mouth.

Is there such a thing as being able to do an 'Anti.Blink' BlendShape to counter this, that I can slap into the toggle animation which would disable the blinking (while also achieving the desired effect)?

[old field]

[open terrace]

@covert fractal you can have "empty" shape keyses for vrc blinking, extra Animator on Body with self maded blink animation and disable it with animation on trigger or emote, timecode about how to disable animator https://youtu.be/sbL9k0VA4OY?t=723
also you need to change files from binary to text: Edit > Project Settings > Editor > Asset Serialization Mode > Force Text

[covert fractal]

Ok, but I do not know how to actually disable the auto blink (in Blender) that he had set up. I don't think it's a ShapeKey. May've come with the eye tracking, I guess?
Where do I look for that?

[old field]

Empty vrc.blink left and right in blender make sure they stay in same order

[dull canyon]

so, when sculpting in blender... when should I use relative and when absolute detail for dyntopo?
I'm using relative detail in areas that need more detail but when I then zoom out and work on an area near that high detail area it always produces ugly artefacts

[open terrace]

@covert fractal yes it's eye tracking that enables with visemes, you can import that model in blender with installed cats addon, remove first 4 shape keyses after selecting Body mesh, then in cats panel in eye tracking tab disable blinking and keep eye tracking enabled, that will create "empty" shape keyses for blinking, after export as .fbx to unity

[wet moss]

How to fix this issue?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNZ5snPpTSg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsQLIA2peJM
child object transform always in broken state after re parenting or changing child object

[small cloud]

@wet moss apply transforms with ctrl+A

[zinc egret]

Does someone know why this looks all rippled and not smooth in object mode but looks smooth af in sculpt mode? did i set something weird up?

If i put it into Unity its messing around with the fake shadows etc.

[amber idol]

Go into the same meny as shapekeys, there should be a tab called normals, turn off auto smooth

[zinc egret]

Oh wow

So i accidently activated that ? or is it on by default now?

never used to be activated i think

[amber idol]

It's on by default

Is for me aswell atleast

[zinc egret]

it never used to activate so i was a bit worried

Thanks a lot for the fast answer!

Appreciated

[amber idol]

nps

[zinc egret]

@amber idol pardon for the ping, i've seen a "Double Sided" checkbox as well there, would it be helpful to have that checked ? I remember people that disabled my shaders in VRC would see partially holes in my hair because it was every now and then a strain was flipped

[amber idol]

Yea it dosen't hurt to have that checked :> Might not do anything though when you put it in vrc. Try messing with your shader if so

[zinc egret]

I see, thanks again 🙂

[amber idol]

[wet moss]

@small cloud It does not works: it's just applies transforms relative to "virtual" origin, but changing object to object in relations breaks everything

[gritty dagger]

So Im a beginner when it comes to modelling, and Im really struggling with how blenders lighting works. Is this object just missing geometry or why does it look so patchy? (Smooth Shading, with Blenders default Mat, Auto Smooth Normals turned off)

[spiral sigil]

you subdivide?

[gritty dagger]

No its 3 seperate shapes, without any subdivison

[tepid wagon]

It is stretching shading like that because it is lacking an edge loop close to the edges (If it is HP) or it lacks sharp edges (If it is LP)

[gritty dagger]

Sooo as I assumed its just lacking Geometry?

[tepid wagon]

If you modelling high poly, yes

Why is it already triangulated?

Triangulating your mesh may be necessary to properly texture it but you can just put a triangulate modifier at the end of modifier stack and tick apply modifiers in your export options

Triangulating mesh like that makes modifing the model more difficult and time consuming, try working with quads

[gritty dagger]

I imported that model

[tepid wagon]

Oh, I thought you made it

[gritty dagger]

So I subdivided it (a lot) and it now has over 2 MILLION vertices (way to many) and it still doesnt really look much better if you ask me... so is that because its triangulated?

[tepid wagon]

If you intend to use it for VRChat you can ignore those shading issues if you use cartoony shaders but with standard shaders it won't look good

wow xD

I think it should look alright with triangulation let me test something

Shading changes just slightly after triangulation it seem, but not much

[gritty dagger]

well then is that just how it is? Does it just look awful in Blender, or is there something fundamentally wrong?

[tepid wagon]

WIth that standard shading in Blender everything looks bad except for flat planes

Try matcap

Press N -> Shading -> Matcap

See if it changes

[gritty dagger]

Still quite visible seems

[tepid wagon]

Very first one that is light gray should look much better already

[gritty dagger]

It does this to a table (better angle)

[tepid wagon]

The table seem to have normals inversed

Maybe that hook also had it's normals on the wrong side

go to edit mode, press A to select all, than press ctrl+N to recalculate normals

[spiral sigil]

just don't worry about the end result, you use textures on that and shader

[tepid wagon]

If it won't change anything press T-> Shading/UV -> Flip Direction

[gritty dagger]

These are the normals

[tepid wagon]

Looking good

[gritty dagger]

Well I know that shaders and textures can do alot

but Its still weird that the lighting is just completely unlike anything you would expect it to be

[tepid wagon]

Try hitting ctrl+J to untriangulate the mesh

[spiral sigil]

in blender it looks but in unity not, and VrChat less

[tepid wagon]

This one is very simple so it should be able to do it

Yeah, like I said - If you intend to use it for VRChat you can ignore those shading issues if you use cartoony shaders but with standard shaders it won't look good

Do you know what shaders you gonna use for these?

[gritty dagger]

Well I dont intend anything for these models right now. Im mostly just experimenting with different things. But assuming you want a Shader that works correctly with Unitys lighting (or even a PBR shader) then Toon wont do it

Also this is what Cycles Renderer does with the Table

[tepid wagon]

If you untriangulate this you should have only rectangles

[gritty dagger]

Ctrl+J does nothing

[tepid wagon]

I think with this asset you could than just select all with A, ctrl+E -> Mark Sharp, than go to Object Data (Vertex Groups) -> Normals -> Select Auto Smooth -> set angle to 180

[gritty dagger]

its Alt+J

[tepid wagon]

oops my bad

[gritty dagger]

Well alright that worked for the table. Because its a very simple shape

but that is not often the case

[tepid wagon]

I created a sphere and triangulated it and it still looked alright, idk what is wrong with yours

and I even made quite a low poly one

Try untriangulating these round parts too, see if it helps

than press W -> remove doubles

[gritty dagger]

Well Im gonna fiddle around with it a bit more, but thanks for helping so far

[tepid wagon]

If it won't help just redo them, those are very easy to do

Idk exacly how many poly would be reasonable for this hook (hopefully it is a hook) but it should be closer to 100 than a milion, so try to make it around this value

[gritty dagger]

Well I used those models because they were rather easy. Do you expect me to remake all models that I do have similar problems with? ;P

[tepid wagon]

All of them have shading problems?

If you place them in a world using soft lights or dim lights may be enought for those faults to not be visible

[vivid crater]

try turning on auto smooth and tweaking the angle if you have to

if you have it on shade smooth it just assumes everything is smooth, even the parts that are supposed to be sharp edges

[potent pond]

last model i did today

almost 3 am

@quaint jasper

💋

Spinel from Steven universe movie

[quaint jasper]

Wonderful !

[potent pond]

i ahve teh T posed saved just in case

before i fucked up everything for posing lol

now i gonna go sleep

3 am here almost

and i need go work in 5 hs

[quaint jasper]

good night and good luck !

[solar fossil]

Now thats a pretty epic model

10/10 epic gamer

[potent pond]

💋

and funny fact

that's 1/3

THIS is my Original Idea

now i need to model the other spinel

and finish the background

and in them middle of the spinels, 1 spinel crying

[solar fossil]

What a madlad

[potent pond]

ahahhahah 😘

[slender holly]

KRISU

dont you need to sleep?

wait maybe its me who needs to sleep

[potent pond]

when i do this models i normally sleep 4 hs

Kinda i get excited

and i want to finish it :eyes_shaking:

and normally thart happen around the 3/4 am

but now i gonan take a bath

and go work

this gonna be a loooooooong day

lol

[slender holly]

when you first started your journey into this art medium, did you have that drive when you were first beginning?

Im kind of in a weird spot between beginner and intermediate, i work on it every day, but its more of a feeling of "I can't miss a day, no matter what i have to keep going" which isnt i feel is a bad feeling, its nice waking up with a purpose in mind.

Im just not at the stage of enjoying it and being able to work on it for hours without focusing hard

I mean i enjoy finishing a project and i have had that euphoria of acomplishment, but i guess it feels like limbo for the past couple of weeks

[potent pond]

I have been working in advertisement for over 7 years, joined the placed wanting to learn character creation, ask me how much characters I did.. Almost none. Every work I did there I dislike and the things I like will never come, I learned zbrush to show them I could do more, they don't even bought me a simple Wacom or bamboo, I got demotivated and stop my grow, letting myself sleeping. I were like that until I joined vrchat. The moment I knew there was another world and then that I COULD make that world changed my motivation. Start woke up since Jan last year when I first joined. I met wonderful people. I'm rusty and what you feel, I feel the same looking at artstation masters. I don't even know a proper workflow to make my lvl grow up yet, same advertisement for over 7 years same and same for so many time, what is my drive then? I don't wanna go back in that routine limbo of disappointment, I gonna keep pushing even harder, even if that takes my sleep away. The you are not something is already settled if you don't push, that's why I fight for the i'm something, I wanna be.

[slender holly]

Wow, I needed to hear that.

thank you.

You know, its kind of like going into a dark tunnel, it's hard to see the end result, but i know theres gonna be a light at the end if WE keep pushing forward.

[potent pond]

Just let you know I dropped a tear typing that, because been able to type that down and acknowledge it, after so many time and finally waking up, somehow feels like I finally accepted me.

[slender holly]

Yeah im pretty emotional too because you kind of described my feel for VRchat, I want to give people a place to go and a place to be. a place where its disfuntional at times, but the connection with people is unlike anything else i've experienced before.

Can't wait to see what the next few years of virtual realities future, I believe its a bright one.

[azure rain]

yeah I'm excited for the potential of virtual realities

[opaque jolt]

Are there any good tutorials on 3D Modeling in Blender?

And i mean 3D modeling as in taking a sphere and working on it with different tools

[reef lotus]

as in sculpting?

there's a few tutorials online, but they generally just go over the tools

[quaint jasper]

You can give Sculptris a try first

[glad steeple]

You dont have to start with a sphere also.

[potent pond]

Spheres are cool b ruh

You can always start from a base

like a MMD base and then do the props to practice

Or you can use a base body and then start modifying it as you want

[opaque jolt]

I wanted to try making a few character parts from scratch

I mean at least the face

Even if it turns out a bit nightmarish

Most of my avatars up to now were slaughterbits edited together

Like MMD base and adding stuff

Or taking stuff from some and compiling them

Wanted to try and make accesoires or the heac by myself

But for that i need to learn how to sculpture, how to add it to a MMD body and how to add it to the skeleton

Or even try making an avatar from the base up

Although i heard rigging can be difficult

Or rather creating bones

[potent pond]

First do a prop

later a part of the body

[quaint jasper]

For a beginner i'd recommend starting off of a sphere really, you need to get used to the tools first

[potent pond]

Sadly i dont know blender to drop you a hint or make a tutorial but i normally start from a sphere in other program 👀

[quaint jasper]

try Sculptris

You can export to zbrush or blender after that

[potent pond]

Listen to Ruuubick~

[quaint jasper]

Yeah i'm the one with the least experience so i'm closer to him 😄

[potent pond]

oh i see :3

[quaint jasper]

At least that's how i started and i loved it

i feel like if i had to start in blender or zbrush i would have felt overwelmed

[potent pond]

probably

[coarse kestrel]

https://i.imgur.com/F8RhKm1.gifv

[quaint jasper]

Do you create the edges around bends before or after weight painting ?

[coarse kestrel]

You mean making tris on the elbow, fingers and knees? yeah. i usually do them right before weight painting. as they're kinda just a minor edit.

I like to keep the retopo process quads only.

[opaque jolt]

So you would recommend Sculptris over Blender for modeling?

Will try to remember that

[slender holly]

well its more of a starting point

[opaque jolt]

Ahh okay

[slender holly]

remember that "modeling" is a very broad term

saying modeling means like 60+ different things

[opaque jolt]

That is true

[quaint jasper]

Sculptris is like a tricycle before a bike

[opaque jolt]

I want to learn how to create 3d objects by myself.

So you can do stuff easier but not as good?

[slender holly]

so like Low poly objects?

[quaint jasper]

Yeah, it's a very simple program to teach you the basics

you only do stuff on a sphere

but you can export that to blender if you want

[slender holly]

What i would do is research exactly what you would like to do, theres tons of things you can specialize in. Hardsurface, Repto, low poly, Architecture, Texturing, UV mapping ect.

That way you can focus on learning the stuff youre interested in learning.

But i highly suggest getting used to the UI of the program youre using, so look up on some basic blender tutortials and mess around

[opaque jolt]

Mhh both things i can use in VrChat (so low poly i suppose), but also something i can learn to join in when my high school holds a game jam or month long game team again (not for programming, but just for creating objects and models)

[slender holly]

Okay, so you most likely will want to learn how to model assets for the game engine unity.

[opaque jolt]

Won't i need to know that for VrChat avatars aswell?

[slender holly]

Yeah, Low poly is a great place to start

you'd be suprised on how uncommon it is to make a avatar out of scratch

[coarse kestrel]

cough

[slender holly]

so it takes a lot of work and dedication, but if you learn the trade, you'll be able to make a career out of it.

if thats what you want to do

thats my dream someday

I've been modeling for like 8 months and have barely scratched character modeling

[coarse kestrel]

I'd say learn blender and stick with it, you can do just about everything most other tools can do without costing your arms.

[opaque jolt]

I am shit at drawing but i am good at 3D thinking and making characters by slice and dice

So even if i won't find a hobby with it, i can at least create characters or ideas i can't draw on paper

[slender holly]

im shit at drawing too, but im forcing myself to learn because i want to draw logos and concept art

you dont have to learn 2D art

im just stubborn

[opaque jolt]

So Low Poly Blender, will have fuuuuun searching tutorials xD

[quaint jasper]

@opaque jolt Try sculptris for a while, try to make something, if you enjoy it, get Blender

[opaque jolt]

Okay

[quaint jasper]

If you start right away with blender i'm afraid you'll get overwhelmed

[slender holly]

http://puu.sh/EfmLT/062f412f60.jpg this is a base mesh for a character i tried making with no scultping whatsoever

Oh god the hands what was i doing

[opaque jolt]

Hah, i got overwhelmed with the blender tutorial pinned on this discord

[quaint jasper]

it's very outdated

[slender holly]

oh yes start on UI tutorials

[quaint jasper]

blender 2.8 is much much better

[tepid wagon]

People not making stuff from scratch isn't anything surprising. The amount of work you need to put in isn't worth it if you just want different avatar

[slender holly]

and make sure to view "blender 2.8 tutorials"

[opaque jolt]

The problem with that video was that it is not sculpturing, but making things by dragging and adding edges

I updated to 2.8 already i think

[slender holly]

Eh, Im stubborn Kohi, Im obsessed with doing things on my own.

[quaint jasper]

that's one way of making models

both are fun

[opaque jolt]

Nope

I am still on 2.79

Where is the update button in Blender again?

[quaint jasper]

uninstall it completeely

[slender holly]

And yeah mac thats what i did, you can make a very basic avatar and rig it with only edge loops and cylinders

[quaint jasper]

there isn't, you get it on their website

[opaque jolt]

Oof

But i have all the vrchat plugins installed

[quaint jasper]

you can install it again

[opaque jolt]

Dont want to have to search them all again x.x

[quaint jasper]

takes 10 seconds

[opaque jolt]

Or will plugins be kept?

[slender holly]

yeah use 2.8, its a lot easier imo

probably not no.

but if you keep on using 2.7 its gonna be harder to find tutorials as time goes on

[quaint jasper]

tbh there's an immense list of tutorials for 2.7 because it's been there foor so long

but 2.8 has easier workflows to get into, the tutorials are easier to understand

[slender holly]

i started in 2.8 beta and it was difficult because tutorials were scarce

and im so glad i stuck with it

feels like im ahead of the curve a little

[opaque jolt]

Could someone please send me the link for blender 2.8? Dont know if its because i am tired, but i cant seem to find it

[quaint jasper]

https://github.com/michaeldegroot/cats-blender-plugin/releases/tag/0.14.0

[opaque jolt]

Thank you

3D Modeling is a subject that interested me as a child already

I learned most things for the way i made avatars by myself or with help of others
(Watched the creating avatar tutorial, but that is not what i mean. I learned most things related to taking existing 3d models apart, editing them slightly and putting different things together)

I basically frankensteined my way up to now

[glad steeple]

Kitbash

[opaque jolt]

But i want to create something by myself

[quaint jasper]

nice !

[opaque jolt]

I was known for my stupid ass Pikachu avatars a year or so ago (had to leave VrChat because of university)

The only thing i did up to now that you could really call creating an avatar was taking an existing 3d model of a mimic, splitting it into its basic objects, making it so it would correctly open is mouth while talking, adding 6 pairs of legs to the body and adding them to the bones.

[slender holly]

Just make sure you get consent from creators when you kitbash

[glad steeple]

Like theyre going to get permission from nintendo to be a pikachu 😒

[slender holly]

i've heard of people getting hit by fines by using trademarked textures

Im talking about models created by other people blue

[glad steeple]

Oh, i guess humans didnt make the pikachu models, eh? 😉

[opaque jolt]

Oh no

If i use stuff like from deviantart, i tend to ask

[tepid wagon]

Got fines by using avatars with said textures or by selling avatars with them?

[opaque jolt]

If it is ripped from a game, i use them freely

[glad steeple]

Not specific to VRChat* kohi

[slender holly]

blue im not sure what youre on about

[glad steeple]

You said "models made by other people" i was pointing out that theres still a guy or two at nintendo who made those models

it was mostly a joke, 😅

[slender holly]

@tepid wagon selling them, hasnt happened on VRchat from what i hear, but selling assets on the unity asset store with copyrighted textures is a big nono

you can create a pikachu from scratch

So i was just confused

[glad steeple]

You can but given the context clues, it was clear it wasnt.

[tepid wagon]

Oh, I never expect someone to be that well educated

[opaque jolt]

Or if it is stuff like glasses or hats i either take them from ripped models or from people who dont ask to be credited or who put them out for free usage

[slender holly]

Yep, I'm just giving you the same warning other creators will give ya

Textures are the main thing to watch out for

don't go into google images and just copy and paste any texture you find on there

[glad steeple]

check licenses before asking, sometimes they will deny, sometimes they will be open and not require you to ask.

[opaque jolt]

How difficult is it to create textures btw?

[glad steeple]

Depends what you mean

[opaque jolt]

I watched a video by Oney where he showed of flesh textures and renders

[glad steeple]

creating a "texture" is easy

Depends on the content and context

[slender holly]

Texturing is easy, UV mapping is the tricky part.

[opaque jolt]

UV mapping?

[glad steeple]

UV mapping is easy, just tedious

If you have an idea of what your texture is going to be its simple enough

[slender holly]

Think of UV mapping as transfering a 2d image into a 3d object

its about removing seams and adding extra geometry without actually modeling the object.

I know what im speaking is probably gibberish but its real easy once you spend a bit of time learning it.

[opaque jolt]

I understand a bit what you mean

Quick question for you peeps. Do you tend to make more realistic avatars (MMD level ones) or rather cartoonish looking ones?

[tepid wagon]

Cartoonish in form with realistic textures in my case

Wait what? Why did you change it so it seem like MMD models are realistic?

They are not

[glad steeple]

mmd is not realistic 😕

[tepid wagon]

You could say PuBG models are realistic, while Fortnite are not

[opaque jolt]

I do not say they are realistic

I mean with cartoonish looking ones stuff like the two-legged coyotes for example

And title those on MMD level as (more) realistic

[tepid wagon]

so you meant as close to realistic as mmd models?

[glad steeple]

So not realistic at all

[opaque jolt]

Or ones on MMD base

I don't think you can do realistic ones on VrChat apart from putting full body photos on models

[glad steeple]

You absolutely can

[tepid wagon]

Mkay but please don't use world "realistic" when speaking of mmd models

it was confusing

[glad steeple]

Its just unity, you can do realism.

[opaque jolt]

Okay, i should have phrased it as MMD-level or human-ish

[tepid wagon]

Think the two legged coyote would be called furry although I'm not sure

Correct me if Im wrong

so you could ask do you tend to make human models or other creatures

[azure rain]

yes a two-legged coyote is furry

[glad steeple]

As in anthro?

or two legs and no other limbs

[tepid wagon]

uhh

[azure rain]

that would be a very unstable coyote if it had no front legs or arms

[glad steeple]

I feel like id prefer it that way

[azure rain]

but yeah anime people not realistic in the slightest

[vivid crater]

I think they just mean human looking in general

[glad steeple]

even then its a stretch

[vivid crater]

Vs like a super small chibi

[tepid wagon]

They are simplyfied so they are easier and faster to draw

We recognize them as humans yet at the same time it's easy to tell they aren't really humans

[vivid crater]

We recognize non humans as humans a lot too, silly facial recognition 😳

[latent charm]

Pareidolia and Apophenia are great

[azure rain]

https://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Anime+skull_55ed09_5533698.jpg

[opaque jolt]

Okay, then stuff like Ugandan Knuckles, most video game characters in the likes of Mario, Kirby, Bard

Or chibi yes

[tepid wagon]

I don't like these very much. They keep asking whether I know the way but I don't know

[azure rain]

yeah the only sort of realistic looking folks around here are folks doing like make human avatars or some of the mixamo avatars

[latent charm]

Hello Hi my avatar looks realistic (for some people a bit too much, it's great)

[azure rain]

mind if I see a screenshot

[tepid wagon]

@latent charm Are you that guy who makes selfies with other ppls butts?

[latent charm]

Sure hold up a sec, (note didn't model it since I don't enjoy character modeling)

And yes, that's me

Unless there's more

[glad steeple]

Basically all of vrcprefabs 😏

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337679085599850499/611966719438618715/VRChat_1920x1080_2019-08-14_04-28-49.069.png

[tepid wagon]

Did you make that model yourself?

[glad steeple]

He just said, no.

[latent charm]

... LITERALLY the image I was going for Blue

[tepid wagon]

oops

[glad steeple]

grate minds fink alike

[latent charm]

All the shaders I did myself though.

Which when you're dealing with a realistic model are pretty important.

No use making something as realistic as possible and then just slapping a toon shader on it and calling it a day.

[tepid wagon]

it would look wierd

[glad steeple]

Awful would be my word of choice

[latent charm]

Absolutely! Since nothing in the real world has perfectly sharp shadow terminators like toon shaders have

[vivid crater]

If you're actually going for realistic ye

[azure rain]

that's why you would use the standard Shader for a realistic person

[latent charm]

Or in my case the standard model with preintegrated subsurface-scattering

[vivid crater]

Some cel shaded games have pretty detailed models that would look pretty real if shaded different

[quaint jasper]

y'all might want to move to #shaders

[vivid crater]

Nah, let's talk about the butts gal takes pics with 😳

They look pretty good half the time

[latent charm]

Well I was about to bring it back around to modeling with how Guilty Gear XRD's setup was heavily dependent on the models themselves and their GDC talk is well worth watching since there's a fair bit in there about the modeling & UV trickery they pulled off.

[azure rain]

yes It was a very fascinating talk to watch

[vivid crater]

A lot of people now a days who look for a cel shaded style refer back to that gdc vid

[azure rain]

even though that's certainly not a good way to do quick and dirty cel shaded as their setup is rather complicated

[vivid crater]

probably not a task for a single artist like a lot of people here
unless you really wanted it perfect

[azure rain]

and most folks aren't going to put up that kind of effort as most folks just kitbash MMD models

[tepid wagon]

It is the best way to make yourself a personal avatar if you take both effect and time spent into consideration though

[azure rain]

myself I doing mods to the hyena avatars

[vivid crater]

yea, making an avatar from scratch for the very first time is a daunting task

[tepid wagon]

or so I think cos I never tried that, I watched some tutorials though

[azure rain]

yes it is very daunting

[tepid wagon]

Quite frustrating as well as you correct the same thing over and over again

[vivid crater]

ive made bodies before, but not hair
and as it turns out, the thing ive never done is giving me the most trouble right now

[opaque jolt]

The only good thing about Ugandan Knuckles is the creativity it sparked

[azure rain]

be honest most folks here in probably be slightly more content with a second life type system as far as putting avatars together

[opaque jolt]

I mean like the dark souls armor that opens up to show a ugandan knuckles behind the helmet

[slender holly]

Honestly if we had a second life system where we could attatch body parts together instead of having to make an entire model

that would be insane

hell maybe udon will have something like that

it would be so user friendly and would spark creativity for people who dont have modeling experience and would open the floodgates for new users.

[latent charm]

And for users who have a base body, being able to swap outfits without having to do it in unity would be amazing too.

[slender holly]

Y E S

I would love to make clothes omg you have no idea how much fun i would have.

pretty much what you can do is make a base mesh of a clothes and sell it on the marketplace and make it modifiable so other users can texture it and make cool patterns

[tepid wagon]

Wouldn't that only work if your avatar be quite standard sized human though? One of VRChat selling points is that your avatar can be anything

[slender holly]

Thats why you make the clothes only compatible with a certain base avatar

[latent charm]

Yeah, from a software side it'd be pretty difficult to do, or be limited to humanoids only.

[slender holly]

or you can script it so it comforms to your torso

but if your avatar is large it will most likely cause distortions

[latent charm]

My guess is some way to do it would be you attach a component to your avatar (or a special mesh or something) and that defines where on your model what body areas are, and the software re-fits it to that.

[slender holly]

yup! basicially how second life does it

where you can attatch an item to a body part

you can also resize and adjust the size of the item in the actual client and adjust it to fit your body

[azure rain]

and also the trickiness of the way Second Life is kind of the opposite direction of trying to have as few draw calls as possible with texture atlases

[latent charm]

It's also kinda how I fit clothes in blender.
Duplicate the body mesh (minus un-needed details), add shape key, expand to fit clothes, bind clothes to expanded key mesh with surface deform, set expanded shape key to 0, apply modifier on clothes. Whoosh. Fitted to new body shape.

[slender holly]

Second life also has this cool thing

where you can drag a texture from your item list and just put it on an item

so you can actually open up about selling Textures on VRchat as well

Say you sell a blank shirt mesh and affiliate it with a brand

somebody can make textures and map it to that specific model

so all a user has to do is drag and drop it into the model

[tepid wagon]

I saw VRChat is hiring someone to deal with game economy or something

[slender holly]

Thats what im referring to. I imagine that UDON will hopefully make character creation easier.

[azure rain]

yes that would be quite Nifty but hopefully vrchat actually bothers to enforce having avatars be optimized and not have the face mesh has more triangles than is in allowed on an avatar on vrchat like second life does

[slender holly]

Second life has a very outdated but extremely powerful network from what people tell me so they can handle a high polygon count

[tepid wagon]

uhm they recently made it so that we are no longer limited with tris count, didn't they?

[azure rain]

they just don't care about frame rates

on Second Life

[slender holly]

I'm not entirely sure, I havent played SL in like 4 years or so

[latent charm]

In VRC yeah, there's no 'limit' now. I mean, once you go over 70k you instantly get marked as very poor

[azure rain]

weighted incentivize not using your entire Avatar budget just on a face

[tepid wagon]

I find 70k limit to be very high, model with 70k tris can have tons of details with really smooth mesh

[slender holly]

For newer modelers 70k is extremely low

[latent charm]

If you're going for realistic your poly budget should definitely be weighted towards the head overall though

[azure rain]

yes but you shouldn't use more than a triple A video games triangle budget for a face

[slender holly]

I'd like VRchat to do their own spin on these things

take the good from SL and other user created content platforms

[latent charm]

I'm just under 70k and I think about 1/3 is on my head 🤣

[tepid wagon]

I don't like there is no poly limit anymore

[slender holly]

and maybe do their own spin on it and maybe give us something new

[tepid wagon]

Think my avatar tris budget is about the same Gallium

[azure rain]

https://polycount.com/discussion/141061/polycounts-in-next-gen-games-thread

[latent charm]

Kick your safety settings to poor and it'll nuke almost everything because lol performance ranking system

[slender holly]

I think a lot of features we are missing and isnt being replaced probably is going to be introduced in udon

i dont think VRchat want a broken game.

Sorry, unfinished

but its a early access game so im willing to cut them some slack

[tepid wagon]

I payed nothing for this game so I won't demand anything from it but obviously making it better will make me visit more often

[small valve]

kind of related but i always wanted to know this

i remember like a month ago some peeps talking in vrc-general about how "the vrc team should really just upgrade from tris lol," i think in a joking manner

whichh is to imply that there's other ways of rendering meshes (live) other than through tris, which i did not know about

they named it but i completely forgot what it was, im just wondering why someone would want ot use something other than tris in a video game

maybe im not remembering it correctly and askign a rlly dumb question but i swear i distinctly remember this

'i dont see any other way of going about drawing meshes so...why?

speaking as someone who justbarely knows enougha bout 3d modeling to make shitty low poly quest avatars in blender

[slender holly]

honestly i dont even know what upgrade from tris means lmao

[azure rain]

all video game engines rendering tris okay technically voxel engines draw in voxel

[tepid wagon]

Low poly doesn't equal shitty though

[latent charm]

Well, kinda, in some contexts yes and also no and sometimes maybe.

They might have been talking about how unity can do some stuff with quads directly?

[small valve]

i know i know, im calling my first and only quest model shitty cuz it was the first time i ever tried >u>

[slender holly]

like are they talking about Ngons?

[small valve]

ah. ehh...maybe?

[slender holly]

Im confused

[small valve]

i literally have no idea

[azure rain]

and a lot of folks are waste triangles cuz they're trying to decimate MMD models

[latent charm]

At the 3D modeling level, you've got tris, quads and ngons
All of which can be used while modeling but considerations have to be taken based on what you're doing and what you're using.

[tepid wagon]

The idea of changing meshes of tris to something else...can't imagine and even if you throw in quads and ngons they get changed to tris anyway

[azure rain]

and in the engine it's all triangles

[latent charm]

For example if you're using subdivison modeling techniques tris & ngons can make shit go real fucking weird, especially regarding edge loops.

[tepid wagon]

Well edge loops only travel through quads

[latent charm]

Exactly

[small valve]

thats what i was thinking, i just wanted to clarify whether i was right or wrong. i also cant see how a computer could render a mesh in any other way than "ehhh just draw a line from this point to that point uwu"

[slender holly]

it really sounds like the dude had no idea what he was talking about tbj

tbh

I dont know how you upgrade a shape

[latent charm]

you'd be shocked at some of the shit people come out with. Accusations of normal maps causing lag 😡

[slender holly]

no way

a normal map

[small valve]

nomral map

[slender holly]

jfc

[latent charm]

Yup.

[tepid wagon]

There is also that way of rendering CAD software uses, rendering with curves etc

[azure rain]

that's how you prevent lag by using less triangles? and handing the lighting to the normal map

[latent charm]

Which still ends up as tris eventually.

[slender holly]

lmao if you think blender has a learning curve trying to learn a CAD program is yikers, thats what machinists use

[latent charm]

Triangles are amazing because it's literally impossible to make them nonplanar.

[small valve]

dude, there's like "i have 20 materials and think tris dont matter" bad, but then there's "i have 200 materials and think normal maps cause lag"

how the fuck

[tepid wagon]

If normal maps would be causing lag than game devs wouldnt be using them instead of adding more tris

[slender holly]

"Bake my textures? is that some sort of candy from china?"

[azure rain]

the joys of user-generated content

[small valve]

user-generated content by teenagers*

[tepid wagon]

If I were to import avatar to unity and see 200 materials I would say f**k this and quit this project I think

[slender holly]

the entire reason normal maps exist is to generate geometry without modeling geometry

[azure rain]

that's mostly just stolen Japanese models intended for offline rendering & video games

I would say it's more accurate to say it's for having more detailed lighting with less geometry

as you still have to model all of that detailed geometry to bake the normal map from

[slender holly]

Depends on if its a bump or normal, they are similar but i feel like bump generates a more 3d feel

[latent charm]

Yeah, normal maps don't create geometry.

[slender holly]

i usually just use normal maps

generating geometry isnt the right word

[small valve]

the way i explain normal maps is "its the greatest illusion. they tell the lighting engine how to light a surface in such a specific way that when you look at it, it forms a 3d pattern." then i just show them my hair and thye're like "ohhhh"

[azure rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_-NNKc4lrk

[small valve]

grossest explanation but hwatever

[slender holly]

Idk about you guys but i use a normal map generator and that works for me like 99% of the time

idk about you guys tho

[small valve]

i havent had to use a normal map gen in so long

[latent charm]

It's not far off. They basically say "hey, I'm pointing ◀ this way 😉" when it comes to shading.

[slender holly]

or i just do it in Krita

[azure rain]

that's not going to get you quite as detailed normal Maps compared to baking from a high poly

[tepid wagon]

Normal maps within each of their pixels save data about the normals which makes them kinda like a great array of tris which you can wrap your model around with

[small valve]

i only ever see a need for normal maps in like my hair so i have like one tileable map i repeatedly use

[latent charm]

Awesomebump is great for generating normal maps from textures. Not gonna be 100% accurate but with enough paramater fiddling the results are pretty good.

[slender holly]

i think i was mixing normal maps and displacement maps as far as explanation goes

whoops

[small valve]

@galllium im aware uwu, i just prefer to see if people get it intuitively first. then if they want more info i get technical and go "uwu so like this color = this direction" and what not

[latent charm]

Might be, displacement is intented to change the geometry in some way, combined with a tesselation shader and they can look really nice.

[slender holly]

only problem with displacement is for it to look REALLY good you have to add tons of subdivions in my experience

i may be doing it wrong though.

[tepid wagon]

Using "non-technical" description of how something works you came up with means you understand how it works. Memorizing a formula doesn't make you necessarly understand it

[latent charm]

At least with shaders in unity you can have view-distance based tesselation, so it just subdivides based on how close the camera is, and not on a per-object level but a per-tri level, so the entire object isn't being subdivided evenly.

[slender holly]

explaining things in a technical aspect is hard for me especially

I try to use euphemism and analogies

or atleast i tend to.

[tepid wagon]

Does Unity changes LOD on its own or do you need to provide several models of different quality and tell it at what distance use which?

[azure rain]

you need to provide lod models as it doesn't have an auto generator

[tepid wagon]

gotta use that decimate modifier

[slender holly]

can i just say

Decimate is a cool word.

[azure rain]

there are better ways to make LOD models then that like you can get pretty decent results with Furniture just removing Edge loops

[tepid wagon]

Removing edge loops takes more time though

or much more time depending on how complex it is

WIth modifier you only move a slider

[azure rain]

yes and it makes a big mess as it doesn't know what's important or not

considering basically the decimate modifiers completely unusable on faces and hands

as it completely butchers the topology

[tepid wagon]

I see. To be honest I never used it, just tried it out

Think it connects faces based on angle

[azure rain]

pretty much which means it's going to end up butchering the loops required for the animations to work

[tepid wagon]

aye, but how about a furniture? Seem pretty reasonable to use it on those

[azure rain]

yes but Furniture probably is not going to have such over the top density that you couldn't just remove the loops yourself

[tepid wagon]

Maybe I should make some furniture first before trying to prove my point :p

[azure rain]

or you could just try downloading some off of sketchfab

[tepid wagon]

I want to become 3d artist so I try doing everything myself

[azure rain]

which is why it's important to learn how to do stuff not half-assed

and using the decimate modifier on everything is half-assed

[quaint jasper]

that's how it's often done in the game industry

and kinda the point of LODs

[azure rain]

yes there is a place for automatic LOD generation but that's slightly different than using the decimate in blender when it would just take 30 extra seconds to do manual LOD by stripping off some Edge Loops or turning off the bevel modifier

[quaint jasper]

decimation is faster and easier, the point of LODs is retaining the general shape with a lower poly count

[azure rain]

https://cdn2.unrealengine.com/Unreal+Engine%2Fblog%2Fan-in-depth-look-at-unreal-engine-4-20-s-proxylod-tool%2FMesh_With_LOD_s_Wireframe_00-3072x937-3729f5af2f718cff50b5390f0ea5c23d17a47381.jpg

[tepid wagon]

Why are there so many tris there? For displacement texture to have more breathing room?

[azure rain]

or vertex painting

as vertex painting is used quite often in the AAA game industry for texture blending

[tepid wagon]

If that wall was to be visible from that one perspective only than 18 tris would be enough

[azure rain]

you would require more than 18 to make the part of it that sticks out

and you're not only going to see it from that one perspective so a normal map wouldn't cut it

https://assetstorev1-prd-cdn.unity3d.com/package-screenshot/51b40ff1-af17-4307-b09b-4b57f1416f27_scaled.jpg

[tepid wagon]

I should have said visible from that side only, so there would be nothing behind it

[azure rain]

the buildings you can go inside so it requires the back wall

https://cdn2.unrealengine.com/Unreal+Engine%2Fblog%2Fan-in-depth-look-at-unreal-engine-4-20-s-proxylod-tool%2FBuildingExplode-4cca00a5311cb9be7e243e02fa9cd425b068c7ef.gif

[tepid wagon]

so if other side was flat than 24 tris would suffice

[azure rain]

okay but the point is being that's not an LOD that was made by decimating

[tepid wagon]

I just don't understand why is there over 300 tris there

Maybe they are made from modules so to say

[azure rain]

I don't know all the details about fortnite Works to know if the extra geometry was required

[tepid wagon]

It would be possible to make them destructable

[azure rain]

to make the closest LOD as silhouette wise it looks pretty much like the next LOD

https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/tech-blog/an-in-depth-look-at-unreal-engine-4-20-s-proxy-lod-tool?sessionInvalidated=true

here's the article I was grabbing the screenshots from

and no that's not it as they just delete the whole wall piece when you destroy it

[vivid crater]

a lot of people in blender use the multires modifier since its pretty non destructive so you can go back to a lower poly version by just lowering the subdiv count again

[potent pond]

@quaint jasper finished finally ♥

[quaint jasper]

Wow ! Even the lighting is wonderful

I hope you're getting that money !

[slender holly]

That looks amazing!

[potent pond]

Money? i did for love to art lol. What money hahahah

[potent pond]

buuuuuut today a beautiful person gave me a donation ;_ ;

[gaunt abyss]

That looks amazing

[silent acorn]

seriously, that's smooth as heck! nicely done!

[glad steeple]

👀 good

[potent pond]

Someone posted it on StevenUniverse Subreddit

and oh boi lol i never had so many likes in my life

hahahhahaha

But it was the Character without the Diorama so i posted the diorama

and oh boi

i'm so happy it was so well received ;_ ;

[vivid crater]

Well deserved, it looks great

[vivid crater]

Do you have an artstation?

[stable edge]

^^

[tulip condor]

hi

i'm a pretty annoyed because if i want to make some avatar in blender
or import some avatar to blender i get default opened options and i need to delete camera,light and shade target every time i open blender

so is there a any tutorial how i can implement customized saved
___.blend file in context menu in registry so i will be able to open:
.blend, .fbx, .obj, .dae, .pmx etc.etc file's from context menu

so for example if i go to unity project folder
and click on some model file type then to open-up context meny and find
open with ___.blend file (not blender.exe).

btw
if that matter's for modifying registry,
i'm using windows 10

any help ?

[small cloud]

ctrl+U = save startup file

[potent pond]

@vivid crater

https://www.artstation.com/krisu

omg

keeps going up lol

never had such a feedback like that

normally is 10 likes

hahaah

[quaint jasper]

Now get that money !

[tulip condor]

wow it work's
thanks a lot
@small cloud

[potent pond]

IDK Ruubick i think i gonna get a Copyright problem... BUUUT i think if i make a Gumroad and place it free so people can donate i wont have any trouble.. right?

[quaint jasper]

Ah fair enough yeah, though individual commissions should be alright, if it's anything like Etsy

[hallow bough]

Donations for your work are perfectly fine I'd say 😃 Seems to be a gray area as far as selling copyrighted character models. People still do it though but if you want to be safe just do original commissions and accept donations 👍

[potent pond]

Yes yes

I gonna try that, gonna check gumroad

[reef lotus]

Patreon is a good choice as well

[potent pond]

Patreon it's not a monthly thing?

In my case it's only a figure

[reef lotus]

yeah it's a monthly thing, but lots of people do support artists through patreon

[quaint jasper]

@potent pond You could release High quality version of your renders for lower tiers and maybe the models or some of the pieces for higher tiers

[potent pond]

what i dont understand for example is that in turbo squid they sell models from Copyrighted characters

And it's like... what? lol

For example you look for pikachu

and there is stuff with 99 USD price

but Pikachu belongs to Pokemon

game freaks and nintendo

So idk why they are able to sell that then 🤔

[reef lotus]

yeah fan art is a pretty grey area, but most companies don't seem to mind too much

[daring karma]

I've seen a straight up game asset rip on TurboSquid before for like 80+ USD 🙃

[rugged mountain]

how do i fix the legs

[coarse kestrel]

Legs aren't bending in the correct direction. make the legs completely straight vertically and then push the knee out a tiny bit @rugged mountain

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/604339602869977094/621458226864717825/JMix9e3BUT.gif

[quaint jasper]

@rugged mountain #avatar-rigging

@coarse kestrel Do you manually retopo ?

[coarse kestrel]

Mhm, I do. I tried using Zbrushes remesher but it just wasn't giving me good results nor did I trust using it as well, it's real obvious when you use it. @quaint jasper

Also doing it manually is kinda relaxing

[quaint jasper]

Do you rely on a blender plugin ? Retopoflow or something else ?

[coarse kestrel]

Nope. I used to use the snap to surface feature the last time i did retopo a couple weeks ago. but this time I tried using just the shrink wrap modifier which I'm pretty sure most retopology addons use heavily? The only addon I actually use that helps with this is Smart Fill that just makes the F key toggle between grid fill and the normal face fill.

https://i.imgur.com/R6e7FnA.gifv

Then after I've done a large section I'll go back over making sure everything flows smoothly

I religiously avoid any tris during this phase besides the comical amount of poles https://i.imgur.com/Z7VMgpl.png

Of course if retopoflow finally comes out for 2.8 I'll be sure to get it. as much as i enjoy retopology it takes a good while.

However when I do this I typically end up with models that are only 12 - 15k tris

[spiral sigil]

uuuffff

[quaint jasper]

impressive !

[thin bison]

I keep 2.79 around just for retopoflow

It speeds up retopology by quite a lot

[latent charm]

If you really want to you can grab the 2.8 branch of Retopoflow from their github page, best worth just keeping an eye on it to see how development of it is going for a release, since it's unstable as hell right now.

[cold plank]

@coarse kestrel ! thank god someone else knows how to do retopology

retoflow in 2.79 is okay, then I go immediately back to 2.8 to bake textures

@latent charm tried that last week and it wouldn't even install

@coarse kestrel look into F2 addon

helps a ton: https://artisticrender.com/blender-f2-addon-explained/

also, do you use the HQ mesh to do a bump/normal/specmap?

you should

because then your low poly retopo will look almost every bit as good

[coarse kestrel]

Yup, I bake the AO and the Normals from the HQ to the retopologized model then I go into substance painter to do everything else. though I could probably do all the baking from substance using the HQ model. I'm not all that knowledgeable with substance just yet but I'm learning it. @cold plank

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/blazo-23175d0af9174a1e9bd3f7711784ae0a This is the last model I made using these techniques

[dusk turret]

You bake AO in blender?
Substance Painter can do AO baking with a normal map and it's bloody fast!

[coarse kestrel]

Except it doesn't look right at all to me. I can try it out for this model but substance seems to give wacky results sometimes

[cold plank]

then I would have to use substance painter. 😛

[coarse kestrel]

substance painter is a god send

[dusk turret]

Alright, at least you've tried it. :P

[coarse kestrel]

I was actually thinking of painting the AO myself this time

[cold plank]

pretty decent results. Do you have a <7k version?

[coarse kestrel]

7k version of substance? huh?

[cold plank]

no, a 7k version of the model

that one is 12k

poly

[coarse kestrel]

I do not no, I wasn't asked to make a quest version but I doubt I wouldn't be able to get it down that far.

[cold plank]

and yeah, if you bake normals/AO from the HQ model the bumpy details are godlike

you probably could. It's really easy to look incredible with a normal bake like that

7k is necessary for quest

well, under 10 anyway

[coarse kestrel]

For my next public base model i do intend to release a quest version of it. But that's gonna take a while.

And I'm not even sure how many people will make use of it

[cold plank]

this is a poor example, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4o-sgp8PSU

trust me, many many users are on quest

you may not even notice because the look like everyone else unless you check

that model is 5k. It's not one we made, I just did significant mesh edits - but my wife is a god with textures

imagine that with a normal map

[coarse kestrel]

Fair. But I've yet to really have a need to make one. back when I made the lexichi v4 the quest wasn't even out

[cold plank]

the thing is, even if it's not up to your standards, they really, really apprecate

it

[coarse kestrel]

Everything has to be up to my standards :P

[cold plank]

when you see vrchat through their eyes at a fairly big meetup it's dissapointing most of the time

sea of robots, one or two users with avatars, and those are usually new users still on the default row

[coarse kestrel]

But I'll see if I can make a quest version of this renamon

[cold plank]

My group stands out like ketchup stains on a white sheet: usually if you just remove some loops it's just fine

with a smoothing shader you won't even notice the vertex blends

and keep in mind, you won't have to look at it 😛

[toxic zephyr]

Im kinda new to this and what im about to ask is kinda unrelated but can you use any assets from the unity store for vr chat or is it specific ones

[cold plank]

even if it's half decent, you'll be praised for considering them

@toxic zephyr yes, you can. Anything without a script or that doesn't require a script on export to function (like probuilder, standard assets) will work in worlds. Some addons are white listed

all shaders that compile for pc dx11 work on pc worlds including compute shaders and all shaders that compile for android work in worlds

docs.vrchat.net

[coarse kestrel]

Still wonder why more scripts haven't been whitelisted from the asset store like dynamic bones and finalIK was.

Thought the whole idea was that people were untrusted with uploading their own

[dusk turret]

(Compute shaders?!)

[cold plank]

@coarse kestrel because of forward compatibility I imagine. Many more things WERE but they also need to consider security being one of if not the largest sandboxy virtual world to exist today

[toxic zephyr]

Ok so scripts are available just only some ones that are whitelisted?

[cold plank]

correct. https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/whitelisted-world-components

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/whitelisted-avatar-components

@dusk turret yes, compute #shaders can be an incredible adjunct to custom 3d modelling, though that's a better channel for it

[toxic zephyr]

Thank you friend i appreciate the help❤ @cold plank

[cold plank]

anytime! can't wait to see what you create

[dusk turret]

We can't use them though!

[cold plank]

I was fairly certain you could use some aspects of them unless that's changed

and if that's not the case, how on earth does the atari 2600 world work

[toxic zephyr]

Hopefully something good im paying 60 dollars worth of assets 😭

Maybe more

[cold plank]

many people pay for assets for vrchat, don't worry

[dusk turret]

@cold plank Custom Render Textures

[cold plank]

I misspoke, you're correct

[toxic zephyr]

Ik they do im just saying hopefully i can make something good with the money im spending

[cold plank]

I bundled them together in my brain my apologies, render textures are one form of arbitrary scriping you can still do in vrchat I suppose

[dusk turret]

Well, they're more like storage. :P

[cold plank]

oh, here's something I haven't played with, standard assets are whitelisted, correct?

but on avatars? does the lookattarget script work there too

humm

[dusk turret]

You linked it yourself. :P

[cold plank]

lol anyway, way off topic now. 😛

more on topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTwOaSSMqAk

Maebbie did a great job, the world looks great.

[blazing hill]

yo, i selected my nails of my avatar, made that a unique material (left and right hand into one) how would I change the UV mapping to have that a texture like this can apply to the nails in the middle of each nail?

[cold plank]

@blazing hill I actually did a tutorial on this recently but I'm not entirely satisfied with it