avatar-rigging

[hallow lance]

ok i got the chest, but I think I need to make the shoulders and hands.

[ornate cairn]

ah yes i didn't noticed you have no shoulders

you need add them in blender too

[hallow lance]

already on it, how do i link it to the previously existing bone for the upper arm?

wait I think i just found it.

[ornate cairn]

you gonna need to add the shoulders and the shoulder gonna need to be parent of upper arm and child of chest

[hallow lance]

yep did that

also I think I don't need to worry about hands. looking at unity's thing, it just needs an upper arm, lower arm, and then hand. 3 things, and I have 3 things already.

so i think i just need shoulders and then reassign the arms possibly.

testing it on the unity I still had pulled up, yaaay Unity isn't screaming at me anymore!

now i just gotta wait for the other version to finish downloading and then hopefully its smooth sailing to final touches.

[ornate cairn]

remember to assign bones chest bone usually isn't assigned when there is no upper chest

[hallow lance]

I did

[ornate cairn]

remember to use right version of unity

[hallow lance]

yeah that's why im waiting for the one you told me to use to download.

it's almost done

[hallow lance]

so I got the model and everything pulled up with no errors now, but now in the megatutorial thing it's saying to mess with all this stuff but it's all greyed out and noninteractive, and when I imported my avatar they weren't transparent like the example in the video. Is this a version difference or did I do something wrong or wha?

[ornate cairn]

extract materials

[hallow lance]

does that have to do with the material here or my single one in the material folder?

wait I think i found it

yeah now the ball is in with the uv map thing

[wheat shoal]

how would i go about rigging this guy

[fading verge]

not sure how to fix this

[narrow heath]

can i uncheck these 2 boxes? im joining the head and body

[narrow heath]

i think you have to click on your fbx model and click on materials in the inspector window and then extract materials , after that you have to choose a folder to put everything in and after that it should work!

[orchid echo]

necros ur msg owo

I've solved quadrupedal avatars if you'd like to take a look at my setup. https://manyblinkinglights.itch.io/anytaur-quadrupedal-avatar-base-for-vrchat-no-final-ik

My baserig is free. It has the ability built-in to switch to using your forearm+hand to drive the rotation of the leg on that side ("forefoot pickup"), instead of the Humanoid leg, which it normally rotates like.

[hallow lance]

Figured it out a while back, but thanks for the help!

[keen bough]

So I'm struggling to hell, I'm trying to make a floating head character for vtubing, but I'm having to use a VRM file. I'm bringing the model to blender, and I got the humanoid rig working, but my issue is that I'm running into this. Anyone got a suggestion for me? @_@

[wheat shoal]

Help? I have no clue how i even got this far

[void canyon]

Be a bit more specific with the help you need

[wheat shoal]

like getting the arms and hands to fit in the model

and legs

[keen bough]

Click the part you wanna move and hit g on your keyboard

R for rotation, s to scale

[wheat shoal]

that should help thanks

[keen bough]

What'd you do, download a model and a rig separately?

[wheat shoal]

downloaded a model, then used rigify

[iron trench]

does a rig for blender using metarig or rigify generated rig?

[sage patio]

neither will work well for VRC. if you intend on using that to rig your avatar rather than doing it manually, you'll need to do a lot of cleanup and removal of useless bones

[sleek isle]

Still mad about the not strait bone

[sleek isle]

The meta of rig change often anyway.

Will wait and see waht is the best practices with the new ik

Am still conflict where the upper chest bone should be

[iron trench]

does vr chat support sewing?

[sleek isle]

What sewing

@iron trench

[sleek isle]

You do that and then skin it to bone

Or use cloth physic in Unity

[hollow mountain]

Hey question how would I rig eyes?

[sage patio]

100% weighed to their respective bone

[iron trench]

how do you do that?

[sage patio]

normal weight painting

[hollow mountain]

Rotational or general movement?

Or are both a way to rig the eyes?

[sage patio]

not sure what you mean

[hollow mountain]

To move the eyes using tracking (mouse or eye)

[sage patio]

you just specify the eye bones in the avatar descriptor

[hollow mountain]

Would I rotate the bone's tip

Or would it just move around normally

[sage patio]

you can only set up rotation

[iron trench]

but the skirt already has physics?

i dont understand

[hollow mountain]

Oh ok! Thanks that helps a lot

Now I just need to finish the texturing and quickly rig up the eyes, and I'll be finished with my model, thank you so much

And make the eye model lol

[sage patio]

no it does not

a blender sim does not work

it has to get converted to a normal mesh

then you weight paint it

[vagrant holly]

Hello, I have this hierarchy that was generated from Vroid --> Blender --> Unity and was wondering how to add Twist Bones (and where in my 3 software workflow should I do it) to my character so that my arms don't get messed up when rotating my hands in VR

[sage patio]

you would add the bones and do the weight painting in Blender, and the rotation constraint in Unity

the CATS plugin in blender has a tool in the dev build to automatically create twist bones

also, do you have a reason for having extra bones for the sleeves?

shouldn't those just get merged to the arm bones

[vagrant holly]

Oh, does it? didn't see it
Thank you for the info

[sage patio]

you need to be in the Development version to see it

you can download it in the Settings and updates section

[vagrant holly]

I only touched the rig to fix the feet position, I don't really know anything about rigging

Maybe for dynamic bone (?)

[sage patio]

CATS has another tool under Model options to merge bones and their associated weights to another bone

you just select the two bones in edit mode, and click "Merge: To active"

[vagrant holly]

Yeah, seems to be for dynamic bone

[sage patio]

I see

very minor detail though, up to you if you want to keep it. it's going to make the twist bone weight painting a little more tricky

[vagrant holly]

Can't I just delete it? Doesn't seem like it affects the rig at all, I might be wrong though

[sage patio]

you don't just delete bones

there are vertices who belong to the vertex group associated with that bone

if you just delete it, those vertex weights are still there, and they will not move with the arm properly

like I said, you need to merge it to the arm bone

[vagrant holly]

Oooooooh, so that's why you merge, got it!

Thank you!

[vagrant holly]

Which bone(s) should I select to create the Twist bones? This one?

[sage patio]

click this

[vagrant holly]

Yes I know, but that wasn't my question

[sage patio]

yes, the forearm bone

[vagrant holly]

Thank you

[vagrant holly]

Everything worked perfectly, thank you so much!

[sage patio]

👍

[vagrant holly]

Now I have another question, lol

Can I go into pose mode using CATS but starting as a pose already saved in the shape keys?

[crisp tendon]

Shapekey pose

[vagrant holly]

Not possible, huh? :(

[crisp tendon]

You can use the pose library, if that's what you're referring to

[ornate cairn]

i mean you can pose avatar go to armature modifier and save as shape key

then u reset pose and test

that's the solution you can use if that's what ur looking for

[vagrant holly]

So, if I didn't save it before exiting pose mode...I'm doomed, right? ;-;

[crisp tendon]

Should still be there if you go back in pose mode

[vagrant holly]

I posed my character, then clicked "Pose to Shape Key", then exited/stopped pose mode

What I am asking is if there is a way to go back to pose mode and modify the pose

[crisp tendon]

I don't think you can retrieve bone information from that shapekey no

That's what the pose library is for

[ornate cairn]

you can't since shape keys move vertices not bones

it doesn't contain data of bones

[vagrant holly]

Okay, I'll need to pose again :(
Thank you!

[vagrant holly]

Okay...something isn't right and I need help, lol

[gilded ibex]

only solution i can think of right now is pose it to tpose and apply as rest post

[vagrant holly]

That's done, this only happens when trying to animate to a shape key

to that shape key

[gilded ibex]

Ah ok now i see your goal. If you want to make a pose, use the transform function of the animation. Something about blendshapes and bone transform that should not be mixed.

[vagrant holly]

Thank you c:

[little forge]

i know unity only needs a leg bones but should i still make additional bones for IK? like 2 hip bones

[sage patio]

no, Unity only needs one hip bone

[little forge]

yeah but vrchat also uses inverse kinematics so adding more bones would improve rigging?

[sage patio]

you can't add more bones than the Unity humanoid definition can use

Unity has this concept of a "Humanoid" rig, which is useful because it allows you to animate "muscles" rather than bone rotations directly. this means that "humanoid" animations can be used on any model that conforms to the standard humanoid rig in unity

this includes the default VRChat locomotion animations

when you import a model into Unity, you can pick what type of rig it should have. if your model is humanoid in nature, set it as such

but your armature needs to conform to what Unity expects of a humanoid rig

you can however add extra bones that aren't going to be used in the humanoid rig. for example: twist bones, volume bones, proxies for more advanced rigging, and more common stuff like ears and tails

these won't be used by the IK at all, and it's up to you to use them correctly

[iron trench]

so you cant add more bones with humanoid rig?
like if i want to add tails

[sage patio]

you can

I'm just saying you just can't do like, 2 hip bones, 6 spine bones, 3 neck bones

[little forge]

Anyone else having trouble to rig a skirt?

[iron trench]

you mean weight paint? yep

[iron trench]

if you're talking about a simple skirt like mine do weight paint like this

[void canyon]

I see that cats' fix model settings has an option to remove / keep twist bones, is there a reason not to keep these if my model has them?

i only worked with normal bones/armatures so far so im not very knowledgeable in how they work

[fading verge]

Alright hereee ^^

Okey, so the way UVs work and what they do

A UV is a 2D projection of the models faces used for painting a 3D object with a 2D texture

Mhm! ^^

And I got that :3

[sharp gyro]

What does UV actually stand for?

[fading verge]

But for some reason it’s side ways, I’m not sure if it’s because I made the modle back wards ^^”

Can you send me a picture?

Oh the modle back wards or the uv? ^^

[fading verge]

I think UV is used due to the mathematical equation using the variables U and V? I don't think it has real meaning strangely enough.

Well the model being backwards, I would assume you either mean axis or normals

[sharp gyro]

Neat! Further research required I suppose

[fading verge]

Axis I think ^^”

As in it is facing 90 to the left I think right?

Ref:

That is a pretty easy fix

its facing back wards

oh!

showwww OwO

You just need to select all meshes with Shift Click, then go into edit mode, Press A, then Press R, Then Z, then type 90

If the mirror modifier breaks, then change the modifier axis

Ak, me and my mouth

I need to get stream keys

As seen here I guess

ooh okieeee

oh OwO

should i turn off the mirror modifier?

Do the temporary turnoff

okie

This button does that

The tv looking one

oops.

i turned the all off and not with screen thing T^T

With

Without

You might not be using that modifier tho

If you are not you are prolly using the X Mirror option?

Oh yeah I am ^^

Just backwards

[fading verge]

GOT IT p = (u, v)

Okie something weird is happening with the body QwQ

Send pics

Okieee

before i rotate

after i rotate

a weird clipping is going on with the chest

[fading verge]

:3

sorry lol, solitare moment

Loloooo

It’s okieee

Strange, something tells me it is the models origin positions, but I could be wrong here

try doing a manual rotation and tell me what goes on then?

Okieee :3

It’s the shirt of the modle

There’s Vertices not moving with the modle

try this, set your 3D Cursor to the center of the area (0,0,0) and set the shirts origin to the 3d cursor

This is in Object mode btw

Okie dokie

I got the modle to face the right way but now the modifier isn’t right Hmm

Well, use the mirror modifier in the modifier tab and config it like this

Hmm okie dokie

now the body just wont fix ahhh

Looks like one of those is still using incorrect mirroring, or the origin is set wrong

oops

it is the body

tell the body to use the 3d cursor origin

Okiee

[sage patio]

should do Shift + C to reset the cursor first

anyways, to fix your issue just select your mesh and do ctrl + A > All transforms

[fading verge]

well the transforms are at their origin to world rn

Actually that makes it 0 to world

yeah, i went the slower route lmao

[sage patio]

you can see their origin is where one of the arms is

if you leave the mirror settings default, it mirrors across the origin

[fading verge]

It is the center vert of the shoe

I was just setting the origin manually lmao

I don’t know how to put the body back togetherr

Is it still incorrect?

Well it’s like this

Seems the origin is still off?

Waaaaa

Hmm

[sage patio]

man just do do ctrl + A > All transforms in object mode lol

[fading verge]

AHHH

[sage patio]

😄

[fading verge]

Sleep depravation + Solitare = Bozo

Lolll

It’s okieee

[fading verge]

There’s a circle around my cursor;~;

I accidentally pressed c something now it won’t go away

[fierce grail]

Right click

[fading verge]

Oh ._.

Thankiesss

It uh..

Poofed

You know what

I think I did everything wrong cuz now I did control a with the pants and now the pants look big and weird and funny looking

good times

[sage patio]

oh, those things are multiple different meshes

[fading verge]

Yess

[sage patio]

do you have any other modifiers on them?

like Solidify?

[fading verge]

Yes :3

[sage patio]

that's why then

prior to applying transforms, your mesh had scaling that wasn't 0, probably because you scaled it up or down

and that's why the solidify looked fine

but after applying transforms, the scale is now "zero'd out" at 1

so you need to change the thickness or the offset in the shrinkwrap modifier by the same amount your mesh was scaled initially

[fading verge]

Okie I took them off insteaddd

Is that good?

[sage patio]

I don't know, you tell me?

[fading verge]

Wait, it might also be that the merge was set too high :p

Idk :-;

[sage patio]

you're the one who had the solidify on there in the first place lol. clearly you had it there for a reason

I'm just telling you why it looks different now and what to do to fix it

[fading verge]

Okie well my brain is small so I don’t understand sometimes =~=

I don’t want much help from you anyways, I don’t like your tone..

[sage patio]

that's a bit rude. sorry if I'm not coming across as a gentleman, I'm just trying to be helpful and straight to the point

I don't really like sugarcoating things

[fading verge]

You don’t have to be a gentleman, I just don’t like how you sound.

[sage patio]

it's hard to express tone via text. things can be misinterpreted easily

[fading verge]

I can tell when things aren’t and are nice,

[sage patio]

trust me you'll understand if you ever get to 35,000 messages of mostly tech support lol

some things just get kinda repetitive and even though you don't intend to come across rude or harsh, it just kinda happens

it's just a side effect of re-iterating things you've said many times before. it's like, the explanations get shorter and more concise over time, and all of the fluff gets kinda thrown out the window

[fading verge]

Mmm..sure

Then I’m sorry for saying what I said, I guess I just took things the wrong way..

[sage patio]

all good

[fading verge]

..I still need help tho

[sage patio]

right. play with the Thickness of the shrinkwrap modifier until it looks like what it was before

[fading verge]

Okie dokie

Where is the shrink wrap thing?

[sage patio]

in the modifiers tab (blue wrench) when you click on your mesh

oh wait

sorry I meant solidify, not shrinkwrap

my bad

[fading verge]

Oh it’s okay lol

Hmmmm

But what about the body and the head and pants and the hair

They are still separated

and for some reason the pants are connected to the shirt

[blazing iris]

You can join two meshes with ctrl J

You can also seperate meshes by pressing L in edit mode to select a seperate ‘shape’ then press p and from selection to seperate it into a different mesh

[fading verge]

Hmm I seee

I kinda just gave up blehh..

Thank you very much anyways ^^

[blazing iris]

D: what happened to it?

[fading verge]

Well I sat there trying to fix it but I didn’t want to do anything to mess up the modle anymore and I didn’t want to bother anyone else so I just stopped and started drawing 😞

[blazing iris]

Could I have a go at fixing it? If you’re fine with that ofc

[fading verge]

I mean..I don’t mind it at all.. ^^

[blazing iris]

:D

[fading verge]

:3

So what should I do now :3

[blazing iris]

What’s your situation atm, like what does it look like rn

[fading verge]

Lemme show you ^^

There ^^

[blazing iris]

On your mirror modifier do you have clipping turned on?

[fading verge]

Nuuu

[blazing iris]

Ah yea that helps combine it at the middle

When you do that

[fading verge]

Oooh

[blazing iris]

You also needa move the vertices in the middle, closer to each other

After clipping is turned on

They should sorta just snap to the middle when you move them along the x-axis in edit mode

With the clothing it looks like it’s clipping a bit so either you want to scale it up slightly and adjust the vertices so it doesn’t clip or remove the body that is underneath the clothing

[fading verge]

Well before

I was Solidifying the clothes

[blazing iris]

Oh yeah that also works

[fading verge]

Oh good!

[blazing iris]

Solidifying can make the mesh fold in on its self a bit if it is too thick tho

[fading verge]

Oh hmmm

I think it’s all fixed

[blazing iris]

could i see?

[fading verge]

Yusss

[blazing iris]

oo yea now it joins

so with the clothing right, do u have a separate mesh for it?

[fading verge]

Yeahh

But now

Im on the shirt trying to solidify it but for some reason it’s solidifying the hair?

[blazing iris]

have u got the shirt selected as a secondary?

like

two things selected

but the hair is the primary one

oh yeah and u need to be in object mode to select the other mesh

pressing tab will switch you quickly between those two modes

[fading verge]

Oh yeee

Just learned loolll

The shirt also seems to be off

[blazing iris]

like its offset a bit?

or like it looks weird

[fading verge]

It’s like not in the center

[blazing iris]

if the origin is in the middle u can just mirror it and join it in the middle

if not youll need to reset the origin to the centre

[fading verge]

Hello I have a question so all the weightpaint are all done on the left side and I wanted to make a copy of it to the right side with weightpaint bones and all is there a way to do it?

[crisp tendon]

Mirror the armature first, and then mirror modifier on the mesh

[fading verge]

When you say mirror the armature you mean symmerize right?

[crisp tendon]

[fading verge]

I did that but it still doesn't move..

[crisp tendon]

Are the bones names correctly with their .l and .r names ?

[fading verge]

Yes they are and when I do pose mode it does this

[crisp tendon]

Oh, I think I know why, I forgot a step, you have to assign the armature to the mesh one more time so that it creates empty vertex groups for the newly created bones

[fading verge]

How do I assign armature to mesh one more time?

[tame anchor]

Hey anyone know how using "CATS" works for atlasing textures?
Seems to just turn everything white for me

[fading verge]

My guess is it's due to the vertex group but I don't know how to do the thing

[tame anchor]

You just parent it, don't you?

Or like, add an Armature modifier and set it to your armature

[fading verge]

I did that and still nothing

[tame anchor]

How do you know it didn't do anything?

Maybe it's just not weight painted

[fading verge]

Worse comes to worse I'll just reweightpaint the whole thing...

[tame anchor]

How can I export my FBX with the materials and textures?

[sage patio]

don't, ever

it blows up the file size for no reason. always import your textures in unity separately

[tame anchor]

Really? How odd.
It's a good thing I am importing them now anyhoot. I just figured out that Blender has a Bake feature

[north quarry]

How precise do you need to be when adding a rigging skeleton to a model? Like, I've got all the bones in the model, but some of them are wonky inside and I was wondering how that would effect it?

[sage patio]

placement of the bones will affect how different joints bend/deform. good positioning definitely helps

[north quarry]

So it would help if the bones were in line/straight?

[sage patio]

depends. you want some bend to indicate which direction bones should bend

[north quarry]

Thanks

[tulip falcon]

yooo, can anyone answer me if I need to name my bones with specific names? or as long they follow this im all right?

[ornate cairn]

they can be named however you want

they just need to be mapped in humanoid rig

[tulip falcon]

bro no way :O

so its way easier than I was thinking

im happy now thanks :3

btw, is there somewhere documentation on how to properly set up facial gestures to hand signals?

[worldly pebble]

hey hey, i have been working on this avatar all day and it's like right there every time i get close to finishing it, hopefully this is the last thing i need to fix haha -- but for some reason the avatar keeps just appearing underground for some reason. earlier it was having the issue of being rotated improperly and like facing upside down, but i fixed that (i think) because blender kept exporting it weird, and now it's doing this.
i think i found out how to fix it in like 2017, but this is my first avatar since then, so anything helps haha. thank u bunches in advance. :,)

[worldly pebble]

i have regrettably been working on this all day now (it is currently 8:08 AM :,)) and i need to get sleep, so if anyone can help just respond to the message or sumn hehe
here is also what it looks like in game imported as a test avatar

and looking around is like being on a swing basically

[dapper moon]

what's the biggest difference between dynamic bones and phys bones?

[robust crescent]

one is multicore

[ornate cairn]

more interactions with avatar stuff

[void canyon]

hya, i have a rig with many twist bones, however i am not really sure what to do so that i make use of them

is it something i gotta do in unity?

[crisp tendon]

Nope

They just need to exist with their weight paint

[void canyon]

hmm

i was asking since i seem to have a serious case of twisted up candy wrapper elbow issue

so i wasnt very sure what to do about that

[crisp tendon]

Check your weights

[sage patio]

depends on how they are weight painted. for most of them, you will need to add rotation constraints to them

example setup for a forearm twist bone

[void canyon]

ooh constraints

[void canyon]

this might be what i need, thank you

so i setup the twist bone with the source being the child bone of the main bone?

[sage patio]

yep

[sour lava]

Does VRChat have some reference anywhere on what each voice viseme should actually look like? It is easy to make them technically, but I'm not exactly sure how they're actually supposed to look. Especially the really weird ones like "pp".

[void canyon]

i.e. forearm twist bone -> source wrist
upper arm twist bone -> source forearm?

[sage patio]

"Visemes" is a standard from Oculus, not VRChat

you can look up a "Viseme reference" image

[sage patio]

ye

[void canyon]

this is also useful to me, since i gotta make some visemes from scratch 😩

thank you²

[zealous barn]

Doesn't Cats do that for you

[void canyon]

it generates visemes based on two or three base ones

[zealous barn]

If you have a Ah OH and I think Ff or E

[void canyon]

i have literally none

[zealous barn]

Well those are easy to make

[fading verge]

You're back I missed you ma boi

[sage patio]

ohai

[latent ibex]

Hello i am new to this and need help

i downloaded a model and want to give it bones and well make it work

[fading verge]

Does the mesh have bones already or clean slate with no bones yet?

[fading verge]

heya, ever get that shtuff fixed?

Alongside the UVs

[latent ibex]

i dont know i used something called maxima or something like that and it seemed to have bones

[fading verge]

Woah ok ok I think maxima isn't working how it use to

[fading verge]

Do you have blender? If yes can you check the model if the limbs move as is already

[latent ibex]

i downloaded blender but I dont know how do check

[ornate cairn]

after you put that in mixamo you should have all bones for vrchat

ofc after it succeeded

[latent ibex]

ok then what do I after that

[ornate cairn]

download unity and vrchat sdk for avatars

watch tutorials since they are better to show what to do

[latent ibex]

i have both unity and the sdk but i give some sort of errror. I tried tutorials but they didnt work so i asked here

[tame anchor]

In Blender, there is a dropdown box in the upper left that changes what mode you are in.
In Object mode, click on the Skeleton to select it.
Then, switch to "Pose Mode", which allows you to test the skeleton by moving the bones.
Click a bone, and press one of these 3 to test it

• G (For grab, which lets you move things)
• S (For scale, which you can change the size of things with)
• R (For Rotate, which lets you turn things)

Typically if you want a model to work in VRChat, all the bone modifying stuff is done in Blender

[latent ibex]

i seems like the bones work but im in unity but i says it has no animator

[tame anchor]

Oh that is I think an easy enough fix

In the assets window at the bottom, select the model.
Now, in the Inspector window (which is the menu on the right side with all the settings), there should be 4 tabs if I remember right.
My memory is fuzzy, but you should I think go to the second tab which is I think "Rigging"? Then set the avatar to Humanoid, hit apply, and then the "Configure" button to make sure every bone is set correctly

Baaasically that sets up the model as a Player Model for VRChat

[latent ibex]

know that i open the vrchat sdk nothing happends

[tame anchor]

So by that, do you mean you imported the SDK?

[latent ibex]

yes i did

[tame anchor]

So then it should have added a VRChat tab at the top of the screen yeah?
Can you click that and open the VrChat Control Panel?

[latent ibex]

i can open the control panel

but in the builder its empty

like this

[tame anchor]

Oh yeah I see.
It doesn't detect any VrChat Avatars because you need to set it as one

Go to Avatar's Inspector and add a component called "Avatar_Descriptor" I think it was called

[robust crescent]

see the red error at bottom

you put a descriptor where there is no animator

its either generic or wrong place

[tame anchor]

Oh maybe you didn't set the model as Humanoid correctly

[latent ibex]

how do i do that

[tame anchor]

Select the model in the Assets window, and go to the Inspector

Under the "Rigging" tab (I think that's what it's called), there is a dropdown box where you set the rig type.
Set it as Humanoid

Then apply

[latent ibex]

Done i did that

[tame anchor]

And you clicked configure too to check it?

[latent ibex]

where is the configure tab

[tame anchor]

It's a button under the dropdown box that you set as Humanoid

It will open the Model Configuration menu

[latent ibex]

ok it did that now

[tame anchor]

Now I'm pretty sure that's supposed to give it an animator...

[latent ibex]

i think it did that but i seems my models bones are a little fucked

[tame anchor]

Yeah that happens pretty easily.
Either that means

1. It doesn't know which bones are which, so you just have to use that menu to put them in the right slots
   ooor
2. The skeleton doesn't have the specific bones that VrChat looks for

In which case you're gonna have to go and fix it in Blender

[latent ibex]

oh damn

my blender wont even install so thats an issue

[tame anchor]

Oh rats

[latent ibex]

damn

[fading verge]

Nope, I gave up T^T

[tame anchor]

Gave up on what?

[fading verge]

Ayo, what is the matter

[fading verge]

Well..when I take to long to fix something or when I feel like I’m being a bother I kinda just stop 😞

[tame anchor]

You aren't a bother.
What did you get stuck on?

[fading verge]

I also get a little annoying..

[tame anchor]

Maybe it's an easy solution

[fading verge]

Well..

Is it the UX still

or is the flipfix not working?

I want everything to line up but I can’t move the shirt over without it splitting up

[tame anchor]

Are you using the mirror modifier?

And are all the vertices along the mirror all aligned perfectly?

[fading verge]

I think so I’m not sure

Is it supposed to be at 0?

[tame anchor]

What is supposed to be at 0?

Oh you mean the vertices along the mirror

[fading verge]

I have no idea

This is all so confusing

[tame anchor]

I can simplify it for you

Just to be clear though, the problem is that you are mirroring it, but there is a gap, right?

[fading verge]

There’s no more gaps, I should have said that first..

[tame anchor]

But it creates gaps when you adjust it right?

[fading verge]

Like both sides move away from each other

[tame anchor]

Yeah that's because it is being mirrored over the Axis. I think the X Axis by default

Now if you pull it apart slightly and it creates a gap, but you don't want a gap, there is a slider on the Mirror Modifier that adjusts how close to the axis it has to be to connect

By default, it's super low so you have to have the vertices be suuuuper precise on the mirror

[tacit mango]

(reposted here from help) having trouble with the SDK it says its not rigged when it clearly is

[ripe flower]

Anyone know how I can make my fingers bend better?

i modelled this with no real experience making hands so any help would be appreciated

[dull plover]

Hello, I thought I might ask here for some advice. I’ve been teaching myself 3D modelling for a few months now and I’m finally finished scratch building my avatars mesh. I think adding the armature and rigging it should be my next step but I’m not sure how to tackle it. Most tutorials either do it from scratch or they just import a prebuilt model base that is already mostly rigged. I’m assuming it’s possible to slap a prebuilt armature into a scratch built mesh and just tweak it to fit? Are there any good and up to date tutorials anyone can recommend that might show how to do that?

Feel free to @ me so I don’t miss any responses. Thank you kindly.

[sage patio]

adding a pre-made armature (a set of bones) into your model is a good place to start, but weight painting is what will take the most time

[sage patio]

https://youtu.be/uWuE8Gnhuy4

[dull plover]

Thank you

I’ll give that a watch when it comes time to weight paint

[sage patio]

just a note about that video: it talks about using corrective bones to fix some issues in different places. it's totally up to you if you want to do that, but most people don't. the only extra bones I would recommend adding are twist bones for the forearms

here's a template rig you can use

[dull plover]

Thank you very much. That’s very helpful

Ive been dissecting premade stuff and then scratch building from what I learn

[void canyon]

Hya, sorry to bother you, but there i've had a strange issue with these rotation constraints. I set up the options like you highlighted in the picture however when i spawn ingame the forearm twist bone (with wrist as source) veeery slowlyy starts rotating out of the correct position with the constraints enabled

Lol

[sage patio]

could be due to bad bone rolls

select all bones in Armature edit mode, and do Armature > Bone roll > Clear roll

[void canyon]

I've zeroed all bone rolls for the armature

Does clearing rolls do something besides going bone by bone and setting roll to zero?

Guess i did it the long way 😆

[sage patio]

try my way and see if anything changes

also, after doing that, you need to reset your rig config pose

[void canyon]

Okay, i will do that

[sage patio]

click Configure, then click Pose > Reset pose

and then Apply, and Done

you'll then need to reset it in the scene using Pumkin's

[void canyon]

Doing the rig -> none -> humanoid thing?

In unity

[sage patio]

only need to fix the pose

[void canyon]

Hmm, after resetting the scene and reapplying the constraints its like its not doing anything at all

I applied them to my left arm only so i could look at my right as reference and they look the same when I'm moving my hands around

My rig is cursed haha

[void canyon]

oh, i redid it again and it is working, its just very subtle

i think i get it now

[sage patio]

VRChat automatically twists the forearm bone to try to automatically compensate for the wrist twisting. if you're using twist bones, you actually want to stop that compensation

you can do so by going to your rig config, and setting the Lower arm twist slider at the bottom from 0.5 to something like 0.05

[void canyon]

I had set it to 0.3

Should i go way down then? Whew

[worldly pebble]

hey hey, i'm having an issue with CATS Blender plugin. keep trying to bake and it keeps saying this.
idk if i forgot to install something or anything, maybe i gotta reinstall it? i dunno

[worldly pebble]

just incase anyone else has this issue, it's only compatible with Blender 2.93.10, haha woopsies

[strong viper]

how does readyplayer.me work?

tryin to use the select file to make avatar

but its not really workin

my file of choice here⤴️ ⬆️

[tacit mango]

(reposting here from a question i asked earlier in help) can someone help my avatar's ear is in the headset but when i test it in the game the ear comes completely out of them (basically just clipping through them and its really obvious the main body and clothes are separate models/meshes)

[late hemlock]

my guys, I am looking for partners for selling vrchat avatars, I am looking for people who like rigging and doing unity stuff. I am better at modelling and texturing than rigging and doing unity stuff, i've been doing it (seeling avatars) for almost an year and honestly I think the best path is to look for people who can do it better than me so each can focus on the part we do well and improve upon that. dm me

sorry if wrong place i am after riggers after all

[coral lake]

Does anyone know why I cant see my phys bones move in unity when I shake my avatar

[dapper fractal]

how do i put fist bones on my avatar

[rocky lake]

can anyone help me set up PhysBones

[dapper fractal]

I’m also looking for that cause I don’t know how to do that and where the phys bones scripts where at to get them to work

[dapper moon]

ok

when you combine objects

is it normal for vertex groups to disappear?

because my head and bodies where 2 different objects

then I combined them

it seems like the vertex groups for the ear and head disappeared

ok nvm

it magically appeared

[pastel nacelle]

Heya. Working on an avatar yet it says in unity the shoulders and neck bone need to be parented to the chest or upper chest yet im not sure how to fix this.

[ornate cairn]

if your bones parenting is bad you can fix it in blender

[pastel nacelle]

I don't know how

I rarely work with bones sadly

[ornate cairn]

not something hard in edit mode of armature you click on bone you want to be parented and shift click on bone that you want to be parent and ctr + p

[pastel nacelle]

Oh!

Ill let ya know if thst workd :0

[blazing zodiac]

Ello! Just wondering have any of you run into an issue where the bones on both hands aren't synced (or reversed)? I had used the rig from another avatar and had removed the un nessasary Bones but now his hands look like they got squashed by a truck

[fading verge]

Check bone roll?

maybe apply scale..

[stable fern]

Is rigging a non-humanoid model as easy as sticking a rig onto a model and putting it into Unity, or do I need to assign vertex groups?

[ornate cairn]

if you don't want your rig to move your avatar then yes

[stable fern]

And if I do?

[ornate cairn]

then you need to rig it properly

[stable fern]

That is possibly the worst advice you could’ve given.
Don’t know why I bothered asking.

[rotund kraken]

thats literally what you have to do lol

[ornate cairn]

rig properly = it needs vertex groups

you already know that

[stable fern]

Then just say vertex groups!
Jesus

[ornate cairn]

vertex groups is what bones use to move vertices

without it rigging is kinda pointless

[pastel nacelle]

so took a big little break

and

just let me share the photo of this armature to explain my pain

[void canyon]

cape?

[pastel nacelle]

yeah therees a cape

which is why idk if i can even use mixamo

[void canyon]

looking at how ... interesting the hands look, your results will be mixed

[pastel nacelle]

y ee aaaaaaaa h

thing is with mixamo

can i even like

do capes

[void canyon]

mixamo prefers standard humanoids

[pastel nacelle]

mmmmmmmmmm

sobs

[void canyon]

sure, but they won't have a separate bit of the armature

you'll have to repaint it later

[pastel nacelle]

i just wanted cool moonknight avatarrr ;-;

[ornate cairn]

well time to find bones that unity was saying they are wrongly parented

[pastel nacelle]

thats the thing

none are named

chest

:>>>>>

atleast

[void canyon]

just look at a standard armature and rename the bones in the right-ish position

[pastel nacelle]

not where the chest bones would beee

[ornate cairn]

the big bone is probably root bone

[pastel nacelle]

mhm

[void canyon]

big bone

[pastel nacelle]

its a hand root or

LOL

[void canyon]

the big hand thing is probably a prop?

you said it was a knight right

[pastel nacelle]

the big one on the left is uh

[void canyon]

maybe a sword

[pastel nacelle]

????????

it didnt come with any sort of weapon

[void canyon]

right, a gun

[pastel nacelle]

Moon Knight. He doesnt have a gun.

like literally ever.

lol.

and the avatar came with. none of that-

[void canyon]

it doesnt have to be a gun, its probably some standard nomenclature the author uses

i use right/left hand prop for my hand prop bones for example, its just easier

[ornate cairn]

ok for now lets just focus what unity said.

neck isn't parent either to chest or upperchest

you seem to have upperchest

[void canyon]

have you tried cats fix model just to see what blows up? 😄

[pastel nacelle]

im gonna try that now actually

[void canyon]

it might be able to magic it into workinng

[pastel nacelle]

yo wait a fucking sECOND

the bot got mad at me 😥

[void canyon]

i really dislike this no-all caps bot

such a petty rule

[pastel nacelle]

gonna try to re uh

import

thing

[ornate cairn]

export it with cats

[void canyon]

reminder that merging/messing with bones might have messed the weight painting on the mesh

[pastel nacelle]

mhm

[void canyon]

so pose it a little to see if it's all good

[pastel nacelle]

ahright

yeah painting fine

it worky

[void canyon]

i had a model that merged some twist bones in the shoulder with fix model & the whole armpit moved up when i lifted my hands lol

[pastel nacelle]

Ok its saying i need to map neck

done ez

ok

wait

BWAHA

IT WORKS

i love you guys ❤️

[void canyon]

there is a magic wand there for a reason lol

magic 🪄

[pastel nacelle]

PFF

Thanks for helping me make an avatar that i''ve been excited to make for a while now everyone ❤️

[rough elm]

anyone have any ideas why my mesh isnt following the bone here?

[ornate cairn]

did you changed bone name?

[rough elm]

yes they are all parented properly and named exactly like the other hand

[ornate cairn]

what about vertex groups do they have them?

each bone need to have their vertex group

[rough elm]

Ok i dont know if i have that on bones soill check out a video, thank you 👍

[dull plover]

Are models required to be in a T or A pose for this? Or is either fine?

[ornate cairn]

A pose is fine

[dull plover]

cool, good. Thank you

[dreamy wedge]

Get me a monkey avatar that can peel a banana with the new dynamics for quest

[void canyon]

no

[stable fern]

https://gyazo.com/a73cdb37fa245d4a78b65fb2fce2df66

How do I even rig this thing

[nocturne canyon]

Is really that difficult to rig non-anthro avatars? I just finished up modelling a jellyfish that I wanna bring in to try out the new bones system but I've heard it's kindy janky to do so.

[crisp tendon]

Do you mean non humanoid ?

[nocturne canyon]

yah that's what I mean

Anything that doesn't have regular bone setups for arms and legs

[crisp tendon]

Sure, won't be animated by default though

But rigging isn't difficult

[stable fern]

Wanna give this a try? Lol

I mean, do I just put a normal rig, increase the size of the head bone, weight paint the head, and then that will work?

What do I even do for the arms? Will players not be able to reach anything, or do the bones only affect the mesh?

[nocturne canyon]

I'd assume I need to apply a regular skeleton to it, but change most of the weights.

[mild wing]

Is there a way to update the bone weight for a mesh in unity? currently if I want to adjust the bone weights for a model, I have to set up the whole thing from scratch again in unity after doing the weighting in blender

[stable fern]

Only way to find out is to try, right?
DM if you’re available

[sage patio]

of course, just never unpack your avatar (ever), and override the FBX in your unity project by exporting directly to that location from blender

you can bookmark the file path to your unity project in the blender export window

[mild wing]

ah, fantastic, thanks!

[sage patio]

just make sure that you are consistent with your export settings @mild wing

otherwise you can get scaling issues

[stable fern]

Nevermind, I got it working

Only problem is the walking animation. I want it to slide, not follow the default walking animation. Any ideas on how to fix this?

[nocturne canyon]

@stable fern I haven't tried anything with rigging today cause I don't feel like it, but I'd assume you could remove a lot of the uv weights that you don't want moving and basically paint the whole thing to be weighted to a single bone. Feels like a workaround though so maybe there're better ways to do it.

[dull plover]

I need to beg for help with an issue that's driving me crazy. I'm rigging some robot hands, and I want to duplicate the finger bones and rotate them around a pivot point. Frustratingly though, the bones are rolling the opposite direction. I have been searching for hours to find out why and I'm stumped

does anyone know why the roll of the finger bones is turning counter to the direction I'm rotating them?

[slate lark]

I have a rigging issue with one of my avatars that I've never come across before, where many bones don't behave like they should in-game. The head only seems to rotate with the chest, the wrists twist the hand instead of moving with the elbow, and the shoulders are hunched inwards. I've checked many things such as viewpoint and scale, but that doesn't seem to be it...

[tacit mango]

anyone know how i can parent the shoulder and arm bones cause for some reason they arent

(ik blender but i dont wanna mess up the whole skeleton)

[sage patio]

you should definitely do that in blender

really easy fix

you won't "mess up the whole skeleton"

[tacit mango]

yea i just finished fixing it

[spice musk]

Hey, quick question for those of you who have rigged more characters than I have. Is it possible to rig VRchat models with two additional bones in the neck? I wanted to finish one of my sculpts and rig it up with those two additional bones kind of just lag behind, but I figure I should run it by you guys and check if it's possible before throwing myself at it.

[fading verge]

Whichever bone you target as the neck bone will be the one that moves, and the others will be stiff essentially, as they won't be targeted. You can use a generic avatar rig and write your own custom animation controller, or they can be used as part of the FX or Action layers, but there is no way to have them just work without extra steps.

Custom animation controllers are used a lot on some mecha and furry avatars where the legs bend in different ways, so you may look at those for kind of an intro into how it is done, but that is beyond my knowledgebase at this time.

[odd tapir]

So I have a base that is rigged like this, with twist bones.
I am having clipping issues no matter what I do when weight painting when I put a shirt over the base (I used data transfer to get the weights, then I tried to manually adjust because of the clipping).
Does anyone know about any useful information how to deal with a rig like this ?

Eventually I will just blendshape animate my way out of it, but I would like to do it the legit way if possible

[sleek isle]

Separete the body under and hide it or delete

[uneven bronze]

Do anyone know how to fix this?
I just finished but the mesh doesn't move with bones.

[mild wing]

some things to check: does the mesh have the armature modifier, are your bones/vertex groups named the same

(I have made both of those mistakes in the last 24 hours lol)

[fading verge]

why does this happen 😭

[sleek isle]

Select all the bone in pose mode then alt g

Alt r

Alt s

[fading verge]

thanks!!

[vague gyro]

Does anyone have any links to guides on how to rig and weightpaint realistic skirts? I know how to do them so that they bend with the body's movements to prevent clipping during movement, but I want it to swish and fwip like real cloth if I'm dancing instead of just bending mechanically.

[void canyon]

Rig it like a cape i guess, strands of bone chains going down

The more bones, the more "flowy"

Them just drop some phys bones

Unless you wanna do the normal non-physics just weight painting it well, but i aint the guy for that lol, and its not exactly flowy

[leaden slate]

if u really wanna go crazy look up cloth physics tutorials

[vague gyro]

i'd rather not destroy the performance of everyone who comes within a mile of me, lol

[odd tapir]

It's not that bad

[void canyon]

Anyone who doesnt use phys bones for physics in 2022 will be sent to the gulag

[odd tapir]

I will test how a dress I made looks if rigged and setup with phys bones, but if unity cloth still looks better I'm going to use it

[vague gyro]

unity cloth physics are freaking horrible, the BEST i could get an avatar using them was poor...similar performance on an avatar with a lot more animations and audio sources was still medium after I optimized it

[odd tapir]

Yeah it's difficult to be better than very poor when using unity cloth a lot. But I wanna look good so

[vague gyro]

But if you could look good AND be optimized?

[odd tapir]

Well I can't

So far for my dress cloth is superrior to any other solution, unless the phys bones will be better, I will check that out later

[odd tapir]

Just found out my rigging issue was actually topology issue I can easily fix with smooth tool in sculpt mode

Mmm the feeling of despair again, nice

[little forge]

yo dawg i heard u like grabbing bones

so rigged the whole face

[sharp mango]

Feet in ground, but i want rotation of feet at where bone is. help da cute sonic

[leaden slate]

if you do it like it recommends its not like dat

[void canyon]

Make a toe bone and make it flat against the 0 height floor

[woven citrus]

Feet in da ground

[sharp mango]

I will break your toes on ur super hot avatar

[edgy ginkgo]

what does "The lower leg is not the fist child of the upperleg" mean?

[rapid sequoia]

Hey guys, I really need help. I've had someone send me over a NeosVR avatar and I need to convert it to VRChat compatible, can anyone help?

I've got it loaded into Unity right now, scale was off but I fixed that, but the rigging seems extremely wrong and I don't know what I'm doing

[solid basin]

idk how to help but very cute sonic

[rapid sequoia]

Also having this issue

[void canyon]

Not usually a problem if you attribute it correctly on the rig

[edgy ginkgo]

idk what was doing it, but a full re-import fixed it

[void canyon]

Just means that there are more than one bone as a child of the tigh bone

Sometimes unity can't figure out which one would be the correct shin bone automatically if it's like that

But you can just do it by hand

[rapid sequoia]

Would someone be willing to have a look at this unity project file I've been sent over? I feel like I've fixed most of the issues but when I go to export, I don't get a preview in the New Avatar screen, where you add the name for the avatar etc

I can see the model skinned in Unity, albeit it's not a single Wolf3D skin but multiple. I have no idea how to combine those

I have no mouth shapes for blending, only jaw flap and no eyelids for blinking. It's just a bit lost

[sage patio]

combining outfits and adding blendshapes for speech would all be done in Blender. Unity is the game engine VRChat uses, and is what you use to upload the avatar and add functionality

Blender is an actual 3d modeling program

[tranquil sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/958246625929732146/967971751621443694/unknown.png Should I have these pieces of the skirt connected? 🤔 one controls the top half of the skirt and the other controls the bottom (theyre both selected in blue)

[chilly pelican]

does anyone happen to have a rigging map for how i should make the bones? like with heirarchy?

[rough kite]

Anyone knows if I can connect an newly boned object to my avatars bones in unity so it does not wiggle around as a whole and stays put?
Basically I have a Horn and a Chain, where I only added 5 bones to the chain but when I put it on my avatars head (make it a child of the Head in the armature in Unity) and add the Phys Bones Script, it either wiggles around loosely but at the same time stays in the head region or it falls to the ground.
If connecting it to the rest of my bones is not the solution, how would I fix that behaviour?

[torn wigeon]

Does anyone know how to rig a dinosaur? I have a Carnotaurus for my Jurassic World fan film, but I want to use it as an avatar or in a VRChat world

[fading verge]

can i have help with rigging

[void canyon]

Its easier to help if you describe the issue

[deft pecan]

In case anyone needs a guide to rigging https://medium.com/@DPM.XYZ/drip-your-avatar-pat2-255e8716a7ef

[void canyon]

Drip your avatar 😄

[normal saddle]

does anyone know what part of the weight paint for the body i should change to fix this? im trying to do data transfer but this keeps happening

[heady thunder]

I'd add a shapekey to hide it, probably the easiest way.

[crisp tendon]

Please don't use shapekeys for that

Smooth the weight paint or delete the body mesh

[void canyon]

fix da PAINT

whee

like 3 clicks in weight pain mode will do it

[strong spruce]

Lately I've been in the camp of simply removing or shrinking the topology for those problem areas.

I'm looking at you, elbows.

[analog quest]

okay so i was having some odd behaviours with my skirt earlier and was advised to move up the root of the bones (as well as making the thigh collider smaller, which i will do when i hit unity this time lmao) - is this about where i want them now? i figure if i put the roots higher it will clip through the jacket. but the bones are now much bigger than they started, will i need to compensate for that at all with anything?

is this an example of when i would need to do weight painting? i don't really understand what that is

[sage patio]

yes, weight painting is how you get parts of a mesh to move with bones

[analog quest]

can you suggest a relevant guide or whatever? now collision on the skirt is extra borked

[sage patio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SimRLR_lRcA

bit old but has a lot of good info

[analog quest]

awesome, thank you so much!

....i had to do it before i atlased, didn't i? UGGGGGH

[sage patio]

shouldn't matter

but atlasing should always be last yes

[analog quest]

i've gotta start saving a pre and post atlas version of stuff ;_;

[fading verge]

pretty stupid and probably dumb question

also wrong channel but i really dont know where else to ask

how cna i make the bone not fully opaque\

[sage patio]

maybe just change the bone display mode to Stick?

[fading verge]

i dont like how the stick ones look and i get a little confused

also ptsd from importing stuff from like tf2 or sfm or something

oh it was here in the object tab

i forgod

[deft pecan]

Can anyone point me to a shape key plugin for Blender?

[lavish oxide]

I'm using blender for the first time and I'm having some trouble. I can't create eye tracking and this message appears. I've tried searching it up but can't find any help

[analog quest]

before you hit "fix model" hit the wrench next to it and uncheck "keep upper chest"

[lavish oxide]

Thank you!

[normal saddle]

The problem is I have no idea what those 3 clicks are I've seen people transfer data and I think they didn't have this problem

[fading verge]

just imported this avatar recently and it has a lot of issues i dont know how to fix

[dense vale]

Anyone know how to do quadrupeds?

[lavish oxide]

I'm trying to atlas the model but it turns into this

How do I fix this?

[fading verge]

use blender 2.93

[lavish oxide]

alright I'll try that! If I save what I've done up to now, will I be able to use it in the other version?

[fading verge]

I haven't tried it

[lavish oxide]

wait I just checked and this is the version I am currently using.

[fading verge]

OH! another fix

lemme get it

[fading verge]

ok! go to file > external date > unpack all into files

and then a new window will open

the top option

and then reatlas it

wait first undo the atlas then do all that stuf

[lavish oxide]

yo tysm! I think it worked now? This is my first time trying blender

[fading verge]

yeah it worked!

it'll be shiny like that ONLY in blender due to the atlasing

[dense vale]

What does the atlas do?

[fading verge]

it groups materials together

[dense vale]

Ah

[fading verge]

because quest has a material cap

[dense vale]

But PC doesn’t right?

[fading verge]

PC does- I think?

but atlasing also helps optimize so the pc doesn't have to load as many materials

[dense vale]

Got it

[lavish oxide]

Could I have some more help please? I added the model to unity now and I cant seem to be able to extract textures. It's greyed out.

Do I just skip this step or is there some way to fix this?

[fading verge]

if you exported using CATS make sure to set the path mode to copy

[lavish oxide]

where do I do that? In blender or is that something I can do in unity

[fading verge]

I can show you!

[fading verge]

export model!

and then this!

[lavish oxide]

Alright! Thanks so much!

[ornate cairn]

you can also try this options

[dense vale]

Ok so i've got an interesting predicament

[fading verge]

?

[dense vale]

I am attempting to rig this, and i know 100% unity is going to complain about "Not being in a t-pose"

Is there any way i can get around that?

[void canyon]

1 make it a generic rig, or
2 rig it as a normal humanoid, but treat this guy as a puppet of sorts, in a root bone or whatever

not sure what else

[dense vale]

Does the generic rig option work well?

Idk what you mean by “puppet”

[void canyon]

a generic rig works pretty much with anything, but you make the animations & all

a puppet i just mean parent the thing to a root bone at the center of your armature, so that it moves with you, and doesnt mess up the traditional humanoid rig

[dense vale]

So at the hip bone?

[void canyon]

maybe the hip bone, or parent the hip to a root bone then attach this to the root

its just easy, but its not really gonna animate when moving or whatever

you should look into generic rigs maybe, if you want more proper thing

[dense vale]

I see, so the generic rig is the best option

[void canyon]

ya

ever saw those avatars where its just a floating fish in an invisible avatar's hand?

[dense vale]

No but I’ve seen the puppet dragons

[void canyon]

yeah dragons too

that was the same vein i was trying to describe up there

[dense vale]

I see, does unity have the same bone constraints that blender does for rotation and location?

[void canyon]

not sure

but i dont think you can set it up on blender and have it work on unity

you'd have to set it up on both

[dense vale]

Yeah the bone constraints don’t carry over

[void canyon]

& constraints also dont work on quest

depending on what you want to do

[dense vale]

I could try to weight paint the legs opposite of each other

How would one make animations for walking and the like?

[sage patio]

you are better off using FinalIK to animate this properly

that way it can take steps, walk over obstacles, etc

same idea as spider avatars

https://youtu.be/GVEI36F-bj8

[rotund kraken]

insanely helpful video

[tame iris]

Yo, if anybodys available. Im having trouble rigging a non humanoid, its a B2 super battle droid and when I upload it to vrchat, it just stands till in its T-Pose position

[pulsar oxide]

w h y?

ping me if you know the issue

[crisp tendon]

Bad weight paint

[marsh widget]

Im new to rigging, can anyone explain for me why is there some small faces inside the head of the rig? does it serve some purpose?

[wispy coral]

I think those are part of the blendshapes? Could be wrong tho

[marsh widget]

hm, okay, guess i can dive into it when i learn blendshapes, ty

And also, why does eyes have 2 bones, with root and end? Any difference of 2 bones and 1 bone?

[wispy coral]

I believe they are useful for the eyelids or smt. Again related to blendshapes (Essentially they are values from 0 to 100 and depending on that value it moves bones a certain amount to change facial expressions)

So you need all the possible combinations in the avatar to begin with

[marsh widget]

ok, thx for the explanation

[wispy coral]

(Just a disclaimer: I can be wrong on this, I'm just explaining based on what I've understood by fiddling around with stuff)

[marsh widget]

understood

some avatars has a extended end part with their finger, what function does it serve?

[ornate cairn]

those are leaf bones

they are useful sometimes in unity not much

[marsh widget]

can you tell me any example?

[ornate cairn]

for psyhbones to to add to them colliders

[marsh widget]

so its like some kind of simulating the end of finger for something like touching?

[ornate cairn]

it's more useful on long hair

or clothes

[marsh widget]

for better adjustment?

[ornate cairn]

yes

[marsh widget]

understood, thanks

[pulsar oxide]

Yes, it was more of angrily painting it to see how I can fix it

[marsh widget]

what does these "root" bone do?

[void canyon]

Usually people parent all the hair or whatever to a root bone so that they can drop a single physbone component to control all of that hair

Since you shouldnt drop physbones on rig bones, some people make a new root instead of using the head

[marsh widget]

ok, thx for explanation

[fair knot]

Heya, so I just tried to import an altered base mesh to an avatar and now out of nowhere it appears that the pivot point for all the bones on the rig is thrown off

I'm not exactly sure what I messed up here but it's cursed af, any suggestions as to how I might fix this?

[ornate cairn]

did you exported it with cats from blender?

[fair knot]

No, I don't use blender and in this instance I didn't swap out the rig at all

I just wanted to change the body mesh because I was adding new Blendshapes to it

[ornate cairn]

you swapped body mesh in unity?

[fair knot]

Yeah

[ornate cairn]

well that might be it this mesh probably had differences in rig

[fair knot]

It doesn't, they're both the exact same model, one just has the new blendshapes I created

And this problem also persists when switching back to the original mesh now too

[ornate cairn]

check if you haven't switched left thing to center

[fair knot]

It does say center

[ornate cairn]

change to pivot

[fair knot]

Ahh thank fuck

It's ALWAYS one single button with Unity isn't it XD

Thanks a million

[pulsar oxide]

w h y

[pulsar oxide]

apparently blender auto weighted my mouth to a jiggle bone without telling me

[loud sail]

I think CATS is not compatible with Blender 3.1.2 :c

[void canyon]

Hya, i would like to move my controller position relative to my avatar's hand, so that it better lines up with my actual real hand. Let's say in a T pose, i'd like my controller to go a little further out to the sides, and a bit upwards as well

I played a little with moving around the wrist bone relative to the mesh, but I couldn't really get it right so far

Anyone ever messes with something like this before?

[dense vale]

So after toying around with it I have come up with this

i've got a standard meta-human rig in the center, how do i get its arms to control the arms of the mech?

[tawdry imp]

Angle Constraints in unity. possibly lots of constraints

[sage patio]

there is no such thing

you mean Rotation constraints?

you could use those to control the arms based on the humanoid ones

you could also use FinalIK to control the arms and drive them towards a target controlled by the humanoid arms

[dense vale]

Thanks

[gilded ibex]

is it important to set every bone roll to 0, or is it depends on certain situation?

[leaden urchin]

Can I use blend shapes to control my avatars eyes instead of eye bones?

I had an idea for cartoony 2d eyes but I'd need to be able to slide them rather than rotate them.

maybe if I put the center of the eye transforms really far away and just slightly rotate them...

[night spear]

why isn’t there a channel related to avatar lipsyncing

cause ya know, there’s absolutely tons of issues related to creating them via blender

[fringe patio]

That is how I approached this problem.

Rather, to set the center rotation (pivot) way back, behind the avatar to create a sliding effect, when in reality it was just rotating from very far away (about 10 feet behind the avatar).

[leaden urchin]

Thanks! I haven't started rigging yet but its good to know it wont be a problem when I get there

[analog quest]

do the position and size of the skirt bones affect how it moves or is that purely a function of weight painting?

[sage patio]

size no, position absolutely

[analog quest]

okay so since they're floating like that that i means i should drag them onto the skirt itself and then probably re paint?

[kindred ridge]

Not sure if this is a rigging question, but I probably already know the answer, if I want multiple heads, they need to be one mesh for vismes right? or I make them separate are use a bone joint and weight pant all the jaws to that one bone (second way is so I can toggle the heads on and off. One mesh not sure how to do that)

[dawn torrent]

Hi! I have a problem with my rig that I just can't seem to be able to fix. When my avatar is in idle pose (in vrc), the legs takes a step backwards making my avatar lean forward. Been searching for help, but I can't find any T_T

[lone pelican]

Anyone got the ideal rig guide for avatars?
Because my avatar's hips now keep messing up. I've been reading it's either the spine or the locomotion freaking up the legs making them buck in? 😭

[sage patio]

can you screenshot what your rig looks like in blender

side pose would be best

[placid depot]

I don't know if this is normal as I'm just getting into avatar creating, the friend teaching me had no clue about it and referred me here!

[quiet fractal]

Yes, that is normal.

[placid depot]

Thank you!

[lone pelican]

Ah so sorry for late answer let me go get it

Here- I don't know what is causing the rig to freak out. It's the same as my older ones

[ember sentinel]

whats the problem here?...

[leaden slate]

Go to the head section

Idk about the feet and arms but it mentions head and something in that tab might be wrong

[leaden slate]

Weird, and is the “toothbone” your jaw

I’ve got no clue what’s wrong

[sleek isle]

set the model fbx to none then humanoid again maybe

[lament dirge]

Anyone encounter this issue when using Immersive Scaler? I have short arms in RL, and I wanted to adjust my avatar's proportions to match. After backing up the original FBX and making the adjustments in IS, I saved over the old FBX, and Unity seemed to pick up the new version just fine. But when I load the adjusted avatar in-game, it just stretches the forearm out to make the arm lengths the same as on the original avatar. I saw it happening in desktop mode first and assumed it had something to do with the desktop avatar animations... but when I went into VR, I discovered it would do the same thing. Any idea what's happening here?

Original FBX

Adjusted FBX (ignore the leg length changes, that was unintentional)

Adjust FBX with arms to sides, to better demonstrate proportions

[void canyon]

they look the same

[lament dirge]

Original FBX in-game

Adjusted FBX in-game

[ornate cairn]

did you adjusted bones too?

[void canyon]

Did you upload the new avatar to PC...?

[void canyon]

Immersive scales does mesh+bones automagically in blender

[ornate cairn]

i remember i had same problem when i worked on someones avatar i forgot what was it

[void canyon]

Idk

Maybe clear the rig in the fbx file?

Redo human then upload

[ornate cairn]

setting rig to generic and humanoid to reload rig in unity

also

[sage patio]

when you do armature changes, you need to go into your Rig config, click Pose > Reset pose, and then reset the pose in the Scene via Pumkin's avatar tools

[void canyon]

Have you tried turning it off then on again rigging it to none then human again? 😂

Its our version of that

[robust crescent]

I saved over the old FBX never a fan of that if its in scene , i just make a new one and copy everything over to new

[sage patio]

saving over the FBX is a fast way to iterate

[robust crescent]

its 2 clicks to copy everything to new

[sage patio]

it won't cause any issues unless you export with different settings

which can be totally avoided if you either make an export preset, or use the CATS export button

[lament dirge]

Ah, good to know! Hadn't seen any mention of that when I searched other people's experiences with IS. I'll give it a try. Thanks!

[lament dirge]

yeah, I used the CATS export

[dense vale]

Does animation count as rigging?

[timid warren]

Not necessarily, but if you ask here im sure someone would help

[wraith grove]

I'm having a really weird issue with my avatar that I'm struggling to put into words, but I'll try.
In VR, both with and without FBT, I can see my hands and head rotate up from my actual positions when I crouch down, but then snap back to their correct position once my avatar goes into the crouch (that's the best explanation I got, super weird.) None of the other avatars I have available are doing this, only this one.
If anyone has any idea to a fix, I'd love to hear it.

Here, I got a video of the issue.
Notice my arms, hands, and head rotating up, then fixing themselves.

I'm stumped.

[hardy radish]

is there a way to reset a select few bones' position in a rig back to what the position originally was in the fbx file, in unity? at some point my character's eyebrows were rotated and ctrl z could not reset their angle back to before I changed them.

[hardy radish]

alright, thank you

[sage patio]

there are much better better ways

the easiest is to click "Reset pose" in Pumkin's avatar tools

https://github.com/rurre/PumkinsAvatarTools/releases/tag/1.0

alternatively, you can click on a specific bone, right click the rotation under Transform and click Revert

[hardy radish]

thanks, i'll remember this

[urban musk]

If I make a jaw bone a grabbable physbone, should I mark it as animated?

[strong urchin]

anyone know what the weight paint all selected hotkey is?

I think its shift something

[sage patio]

shift K

[strong urchin]

cool thanks

wasnt there a thing where the feet should be flat?