avatar-rigging

[ornate cairn]

nope do that in blender.

[maiden depot]

but the unity package is done with all the animations and everything

[ornate cairn]

you can just reimport and don't lose anything.

[maiden depot]

how?

export new fbx from blender and import it to unity?

[ornate cairn]

replace fbx in assets with new one,

[maiden depot]

i just did but the suit is missing in unity

[ornate cairn]

also you can always copy sdk component

to new fbx.

[maiden depot]

ok

thanks

[gleaming falcon]

Heya folks. Is there a way in blender to reduce influence on a bone/vertex group by percentage? I am trying to use the VertexWeightEdit messing around with the custom curve, but it's really janky

[lone inlet]

So I keep getting an error where I'm able to attempt to upload my avatar once, after I try to I get the prefab does not exist error, and then my avatar's rig breaks. After I upload this is what I see

It's rigged as a humanoid
And the bones are mapped, but when I try to upload it, it unmaps them and I have to drag the FBX back in and start over

[hardy herald]

Is there something wrong with my armature if the binding box gets slanted like this when I'm making a animation in unity?

Here is how it looks in blender idk if there is a problem I'm not noticing but any help would be appreciated.

[hardy herald]

I also know I'm posting this really late so please feel free to tag me with a reply so I notice it.

[crisp tendon]

Make sure to clear rotations (alt + R) before exporting from blender !

[cloud pawn]

I am going to take notes on that myself

[hardy herald]

fixed ty it borked my previous cat but thats ok im giving my model a optimization pass so starting again is fine

[maiden depot]

Is there a way to join the suit to the avatar rig in blender? i tried to use the data transformer modifier but it's broke the suit

[brisk raven]

have you tried weight painting the suit?

[maiden depot]

i don't know how to do that

i don't have much experience with blender

[brisk raven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WqCUdilzS8

try this tutorial

[maiden depot]

ok

thank you!

[maiden depot]

@brisk raven I tried the weight painting but it's still broken

[brisk raven]

have you applied an armature modifier to your mesh?

make sure each bone has a separate weight map as well

you automatically switch between weightmaps by selecting the corresponding bone

[maiden depot]

@brisk raven never mind

it's working now

thanks

[brisk raven]

alr

[maiden depot]

@brisk raven Is there a way to prevent this from happening?

[brisk raven]

you need to subtract the shirt/colalr region from your head bone's weightmap

because the weightmap denotes what vertices and regions bones have control over

like here, both bones have some control over the elbow area. they crossfade in this area, giving a more natural bend when posing

[maiden depot]

ok. thanks!

[brisk raven]

np

[maiden depot]

is there a way to create rig shape key? i want to create the shape keys for the visemes but i can't move the mouth bone it the shape key

[brisk raven]

shape keys don't rely on bones, you'll have to transform the actual mesh to set shape keys

as for how: i forgot, search it somewhere

[maiden depot]

ok... is there a way i can create the mouth movement auto'?

[ornate cairn]

you can make blend shapes with bone movements.

[maiden depot]

how?

[ornate cairn]

you need to apply them on armature modifier

[maiden depot]

thank you!!

[ornate cairn]

@maiden depot

[maiden depot]

ok

thanks

[ornate cairn]

@maiden depot better also use save as shape key

that way you won't lose armature modifier

[maiden depot]

ok

modifier cannot be applied to a mash with shape keys

@ornate cairn

[sage patio]

blender does not allow you to apply modifiers if you have shape keys

you need an add-on to do it

[ornate cairn]

yeah you need remove old ones.

addon?

[sage patio]

it's called ApplyModiferForMeshWithShapeKeys

not kidding

[ornate cairn]

omg

well time to get it

thx i work in blender and never tried to search for it

[maiden depot]

I'll check that

thanks

[brittle cedar]

Rigging the eyes cases them to squish instead of just rotate.

Is there any way to fix that?

[ornate cairn]

you probably have other bones that influence eyes

[brittle cedar]

Ah.

[ornate cairn]

make it so only eye bone is having influence on mesh of eye

[brittle cedar]

Yup.

It works now.

Thanks

[fading verge]

Can someone please help me ? when I'm putting together an avatar in blender she uploads to unity and she doesnt t pose with her clothes. its so frustrating ive been trying to fix it for a week now

[ornate cairn]

with such small info i can only suggest you in blender to select all by click a and ctr + a to apply scale and transforms in object mode.

also better screenshoot

[fading verge]

this

she isnt moving with her clothes they detach from her body

[ornate cairn]

your armature isn't even parented to body

also check in armature modifier if rig is selected in object

[fading verge]

how do i parent it to the body ?

[ornate cairn]

click on mody mesh shift click on armature ctr + p

[ornate cairn]

your rig is broken

[fading verge]

i fixed it

her arm is now moving correctly

its just not moving with her hoodie

[ornate cairn]

hoodie is body.001?

[fading verge]

yes

[ornate cairn]

well now it isn't parented to armature.

you need both have body and it parented

[fading verge]

ohh okay lemme try

im actually gonna cry thank you so much 😭

ive been trying for so long

[fading verge]

….

Stop posting question in multiple channels

[boreal marsh]

It was the same question and what is the channels for if I can’t ask? I’m willing to pay someone for this

Please don’t delete my messages just because you can

[tawdry spruce]

I don't think this is supposed to happen...

[boreal oasis]

is there a way to rescale bones via a measurement rather than its scale?

[tired fjord]

Could someone help me rig something? I don't see the option to, and I'm at a total loss otherwise.

[fading verge]

I can’t.

[sage patio]

what do you mean "rig something"

Unity isn't a 3d modeling program, it's a game engine

model edits are done in a 3d modeling program, like Blender

[tired fjord]

Oh. Well, the VRChat SDK is saying my avatar isn't imported as a humanoid rig.

I'm trying to fix this.

[sage patio]

@tired fjord Unity doesn't know that the model you imported is humanoid, you have to specify that

once you do, it'll try to guess which bones are which (like hip, spine, head, etc)

[tired fjord]

Ok, how do I do that?

[sage patio]

click the fbx, go to the rig tab, and set it to Humanoid rather than Generic

then click apply

afterwards, click Configure

[tired fjord]

Ok, but the model was imported as a blender file. Same procedure?

[sage patio]

you should be exporting an FBX from the blender project yourself

I would avoid having your blend file in your unity project in the first place

[tired fjord]

Ok, but I am just working with a prepaid model. I only know it's a blender file because I had to remove the hair.

[sage patio]

because every time you save it, Unity tries to automatically exports a file

and it makes you wait for it

it's annoying

better to have the blend file in a "3D work" folder or something

and having your project's asset folder bookmarked in blender's export window

so my recommendation:

• move blend file somewhere else, outside of your project
• export your model as FBX, and export directly to the location of your unity project (best to bookmark the location for next time)
• in unity, set the model's rig type to humanoid

and you should be good to go

any model changes should be done in blender

once your changes are done, re-export over the old file in Unity

the file will be overwritten, and unity will realize that

and it'll update the model in the scene

as long as you never unpack the model in Unity

[tired fjord]

Ok. Thank you.

I will make a dutiful note of this.

[maiden depot]

Why the suit is moving with the head unity? in blender this is not happening

[languid pewter]

youre probably wrong

or modifier

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[maiden depot]

no... i checked

[maiden depot]

there is the armature modifier in blender

[wild bobcat]

Don't delete that

That's how it moves

It looks like weight paint

[maiden depot]

But in blender this is not happenning

[wild bobcat]

Does this import like this

Or are you moving bones to get it like this

[void surge]

Can you show me how do you rg skirt so you can also add dynamics

[wild bobcat]

There isn't really one set way to do it

Just add bone strings and weight paint it

Look up blender auto weights for a decent starting point

[tranquil marsh]

how can i convert VRM Springbones to the new PhysBones?

[maiden depot]

yes

[wild bobcat]

Are you reimporting and replacing the fbx

Or is it a fresh new fbx

Because if you adjust bone rotations in blender it can do this

[hot light]

rightclick vrchat in steam, properties, updates, change version to betas

I don't think physbones are available yet outside of beta... could be wrong though

[tranquil marsh]

ive seen some vtubers use them

[hot light]

yeah, but I think that's just opt'ing into the beta

[tranquil marsh]

perhaps

[sage patio]

look up "your skirt sucks zero to hero"

[sage patio]

your weights are most likely not normalized

make sure that you always have Auto normalize enabled in weight painting mode

to normalize everything, use Weights > Normalize all

[maiden depot]

@sage patio I'll try

Thanks!

[bitter horizon]

fullbody tracking works a lot better now
but is still not perfect
the problem is
it seems like the avatar appears kind of in front of where your body is?
and also a bit lower
idk
i took some pictures#
this is what it looks like with my arms outstretched entirely before me

this with my left harm hanging down straight at the side of my body

it seems like the avatar is slightly lower and in front of where my actual body is

[lofty wraith]

View point is under the eyes, unless that isn't it

[bitter horizon]

its not

its right in between

[tawdry badge]

my avatar is too close to the ground when i crouch (the knees going far into the chest), does anyone know what is causing it? this is a scratch avatar except the shoes, so i know how to change anything on it but i dont know exactly what is wrong

[maiden depot]

Is there a way to rig cloths in unity?

I bought avatar a few days ago and I want to create clothes for him but the fbx outside of unity is broken

i want to add the clothes directly in unity instead of blender

[ornate cairn]

wdym by fbx outside of unity is broken

cloths are not worth using

[maiden depot]

because when I export it from blender it's missing parts off the rig

[ornate cairn]

configure your rig

and assign them

in unity.

[maiden depot]

i don't know how

[ornate cairn]

click on fbx in assets go to rig and click configure

[maiden depot]

so can't I add clothes to the avatar?

[maiden depot]

oh i did that

i want to add this suit to the avatar

and those glasses

[ornate cairn]

oh you have fbx that have them all on?

you made fbx that have them on in blender right?

[maiden depot]

i think

[ornate cairn]

when you tried to configure rig what went wrong?

[maiden depot]

i configurated them but this is still happening

[maiden depot]

i dont know

[ornate cairn]

did you applied it and clicked done when you assigned bones.

[maiden depot]

yeah

[ornate cairn]

can you show it's config screenshot

[maiden depot]

yeah

wait

i'll do that again because i already deleted it

[ornate cairn]

your chest isn't assigned

[maiden depot]

oh

ok

i just noticed the chields are also different from the original model that was in the unity project

this is the original

[ornate cairn]

hmm did suit had it's rig?

[maiden depot]

this is without the suit

[ornate cairn]

it's weird that first bone in hierarchy is chest.

it should be spine or hips

[maiden depot]

All of the hierarchy for the exported model from blender is different

[ornate cairn]

can you show in blender hierarchy of armature

[ornate cairn]

well it seems like this armature isn't avatars armature but suits.

[maiden depot]

the suit is not even in the scene

[ornate cairn]

how it looks on preview of avatar in blender, the bones i mean

also try making spine as first bone instead of chest

[maiden depot]

how?

i can't drag it

[ornate cairn]

click on chest than shift click on spine ctr+p in edit mode of rig

[maiden depot]

can't i just rig the suit in blender and use the original avatar from the unity project?

[maiden depot]

like that?

[ornate cairn]

you made neck bone first now .

make spine first one

[maiden depot]

oh sorry

[ornate cairn]

ok can you show how bones look in the 3d view

[maiden depot]

@ornate cairn

[ornate cairn]

hmm that rig won't work with vrchat.

[maiden depot]

why?

this is the pose of the original avatar

[ornate cairn]

it needs to be like that to work nicely

big bones i chest under it spine and under spine are hips

[maiden depot]

but this is also the original model rig

[ornate cairn]

show how orginal rig looks in unity when you config

on 3d view

[ornate cairn]

no like preview of rig

[ornate cairn]

hmmm i see.

[ornate cairn]

you imported that one to blender and you got the one i seen earlier?

[maiden depot]

no, this is the avatar

the original

that was in the unity project

[ornate cairn]

what if you import the one to blender with the right rig?

will it look right or not

[maiden depot]

the one from the unity project?

[ornate cairn]

yes

[maiden depot]

ill try

ummm

[ornate cairn]

well wow.

go to pose mode and press a and alt+ r

[maiden depot]

the hierarchy is right but the rig is broken

[maiden depot]

ok it's good now

i can try to fix it with CATS but i don't know if i'll still be able to use that in unity

[ornate cairn]

hnmmm it's after cats fix?

[maiden depot]

Yes

[ornate cairn]

idk if using cats for it is right idea.

[maiden depot]

Why?

[ornate cairn]

now you need to edit rig anyways

[maiden depot]

Ok

[ornate cairn]

you need to add hip bone

and move spine

[maiden depot]

Oh wait my laptop run out of charge

I'll let you know when I'll change it

[ornate cairn]

k

[maiden depot]

Thanks!

[maiden depot]

@ornate cairn i found the problem

cats broke the rig

[ornate cairn]

i assumed so.

[maiden depot]

changed the hierarchy

so how can i fix it?

[ornate cairn]

you are on rig after cats now or before cats

[maiden depot]

before

[ornate cairn]

check what this 4 bones do

maybe they are usueless

[maiden depot]

this is the leg

[ornate cairn]

edit that bone

so it is same as on left leg

[maiden depot]

this is the arm

[maiden depot]

ok

[ornate cairn]

shoulder ok

[maiden depot]

think thats ok

[ornate cairn]

put all the bones on right places

i think right leg bones are flipped

[maiden depot]

it need to be accurate?

[ornate cairn]

i think here you only flipped one bone you needed flip both

so both point at bottom

[maiden depot]

yeah i flipped that

but the right is not the exact point of the left

on the y and z axis

[ornate cairn]

what if you select 2 bones on left leg and right click and symmetrize

[maiden depot]

how?

[ornate cairn]

in edit mode you select them right click with mouse and select symmetrize

[maiden depot]

nothing happend

but i think that's ok

[ornate cairn]

try moving bones so they gonna be in their places like here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/390924372782612480/857200376842027028/Humanoid_Rig_VRChat.png

[maiden depot]

ok the legs are good

what now?

[maiden depot]

ok

[ornate cairn]

shoulders and upper arm and lower arms

just move them in edit mode.

so the rig doesn't look messy

[maiden depot]

this part is good?

[ornate cairn]

connect neck bone to upper chest

click on neck shift click on upper chest and ctr+p connect

[maiden depot]

i think its connected

[ornate cairn]

now move shoulders to it's positions

[maiden depot]

ok

[ornate cairn]

and after that ur probably gonna be fine

bcs unity didn't saw arms and fingers wrongly

[maiden depot]

thats good?

[ornate cairn]

u have one bone too much check if they are for sure what they seem

[maiden depot]

how about now?

[ornate cairn]

now it's ok

[maiden depot]

good

now i need to do that in the second arm?

[ornate cairn]

check if you can't symmetrize that,

[maiden depot]

ok

i can

so just do that and export to unity?

[ornate cairn]

yeah and check if unity gonna scream

[maiden depot]

ok

thank you!!

[ornate cairn]

than you gonna be able to put suit on it in blender

[velvet thunder]

Does anyone know how this can be fixed? Im guessing its a blender problem but im not too sure. Everything else I got to work fine

[crisp tendon]

Gotta make sure the vertices on the head are weight painted to the head bone, and you'll be fine

[velvet thunder]

Thank you c:

I will try that out!

[fading verge]

OMG BRROO

Im sorry but.

Holy fuck

[velvet thunder]

i know its cursed

[bitter horizon]

help pls

[wild bobcat]

I donno that would a be a pretty cool effect....

Imagine being able to split weight paint to a dummy armature

Then use parent constraints

Then world drop it and thrash around

It'd freak people out for sure

[brave pier]

How does one fix the viewpoint? I put the viewpoint dead center of his face but the view is skewed to the left for some reason?

[trim totem]

Anyone know how to fix this? I can't move the shirt mesh using the rig but only using the node. When I delete the node or drag the armature out of the node hierarchy I'm still not able to move it.

[sage patio]

delete those empty objects

[trim totem]

You mean the bones at the feet?

[sage patio]

the RootNode object and the other with the same icon

[trim totem]

That’s what I stated I did already. I still wasn’t able to move anything.

[sage patio]

do ctrl + A > All transforms

and see if you can move it after that

[trim totem]

Nope :I

[sage patio]

is it that the bones are moving and the mesh isn't following, or that not even the bones move

[trim totem]

The bones don’t move either.

I can select the mesh and move it individually but the armature won’t budge.

[sage patio]

go to armature edit mode and delete that root bone

the first bone in the armatures hierarchy should be the hip

[trim totem]

Its has a different name but It's probably this node one. I'm gonna see if it works.

Nope its still stuck.

@sage patio I deleted the node as well as all the unneeded bones but to no avail it stays the same.🤷🏼‍♂️

[sage patio]

are you sure you applied all transforms

ctrl A > all transforms

[trim totem]

Yep

[ionic sleet]

anyone know why this issue is still a thing i've mapped it in untiy properly and i still have the issue

[regal jolt]

I'm guessing its a rig issue but I'm trying to use a model from a game with the default rigging, its working fine in desktop/non-fbt vr but when i turn fbt on it kinda works exept my waist and one of my feet trackers are always tracking the wrong part. And yes they're set correctly in steam vr and fbt works fine with my other avatars

[tawdry imp]

when you say they track the wrong part, what part are they tracking? As in foot on waist and waist on foot?

Also are you removing the IK bones before importing to unity?

[regal jolt]

one of my foot is always my hip yeah

[regal jolt]

in the package i downloaded it has an fbx file and a blender file so i just figured they were the same so i'm using the fbx

[bitter horizon]

please?

[tawdry imp]

In unity did you make sure the rig had the bones assigned to the correct slots? it might have grabbed a wrong bone and put it in the wrong slot. Does this avatar use custom animations for movement instead of the default ones?

[regal jolt]

nope

[bitter horizon]

woo i figured it out!

so#

i have literally no clue why

BUT

for the tracking to work PROPERLY

i needed to move the viewpoint wayyyyyyy back into the avatar's head

NOW it works perfectly :D

[mystic inlet]

Hi anyone who knows about XNALara? I would need some information.

[lucid wagon]

Hello. If anyone knows how to Script in Unity please @ me. I have a question about whether or not something is doable via scripting

[hard briar]

For some reason the bones that control the hair on my avatar are also attached to the shirt, is there any way to detach the shirt mesh from the specific bones or smth to fix this?

[lucid wagon]

someone help me please.. how do i make hydraulics work

[quaint cosmos]

Why would my avatars eyes maintain eye contact when looking in a mirror but not track properly when looking at another avatar? I have the settings most of the way towards calm and confident and all the rotation states are sufficiently rotated in the appropriate directions.

[wild bobcat]

Uh.... you can just subtract the weight paint in blener...that would be the easiest way

[wild bobcat]

A position constraint might work, but that may require rerigging

[wild bobcat]

What's it doing to other people?

Avatars look at cameras locally, so only others can tell you if it doesn't work

[wild bobcat]

It's a 3d object file format used in a lot of games.....? What's there to know?

[mystic inlet]

I try to ripping some game characters from Disneyland Adventures, right now i have found a Way to extract the game asset, but i found some things cant extract like the player model or some missing character parts like the sress of Snow White.

[fading verge]

Excuse me?

Ripping avatars?

The fuck?!

[mystic inlet]

No

[fading verge]

Oh.

[mystic inlet]

From a game i mean...

[fading verge]

What did. You mean.

[mystic inlet]

Please dear... Read...

Any Way ..

[fading verge]

I did.

Word it better pls.

[mystic inlet]

Any Way...i tink XnaLara Is Just for posing and not for extract or convert characters...

Convert game asset for XnaLara Is Just for able to use in the program...

[lucid wagon]

Mind if I DM you later today to get more info?

[wanton glade]

quick question If I use auto rig pro how can I export it normally to unity without the rig bugging out?

[rotund kraken]

xnalara is just a program that lets you pose your model, its not something to use to convert models

[sage patio]

auto rig pro will add a ton of excess control bones, you'll need to do a lot of manual cleanup afterwards

[uncut pasture]

ok so like I'm tryna make a terraria slime avatar with blender and unity, this is what i got so far
i kinda need help

i'm confused with the vertices and such

i think this goes here but idk

[lavish orchid]

looking for some1 that can rig and wp bones in a skirt for me, pls dm if you're able to help

[uncut pasture]

editing this response how do i add bones and stuff?

[echo charm]

When I reset my blender-edited avatar to T-pose, the hair moves from the model. How could I fix this? :)

[proven parcel]

I've been trying for a while to get this shirt's armature to connect with the base's, but I can't seem to figure it out? Whenever I use the "Fix Model" function it just creates a bunch of new bones. I did the same process of combing the armatures and meshes with the pants and it worked fine, instantly deleting the unnecessary bones and merging it with the base. Also, I don't seem to be able to move any object by it's armature. The armature stays stuck in place, and I can only move the mesh.

[brisk terrace]

i got this animation that was recorded in another program and in unity animation preview it's fine but once on my model it's flipped 90 degrees.
i tried to change the root motion T and Q and none of them work. for some reason the animation does not want to be overwritten

[unreal zealot]

I'm new to making models and I'm not sure how to fix this, the armature is moving and taking one of the iris and the other one is stuck in resting position

[whole valve]

In Blender, does anyone know of a way to select/identify all bones that have no weights? Basically I want exactly what the "Delete zero weight bones" function does in the CATS plugin, but selecting the bones rather than deleting them.

[rigid oyster]

how do i create a character in unity?

?

anyone wanna help me?

[sage patio]

you don't use Unity to create models, Unity is a game engine

you use a 3d modeling program like Blender for that

[rigid oyster]

ohhhh

like paint 3d?

[fading verge]

Is anyone good with riggingI'm so lost
I've gotten help but I'm still bad and I'm afraid to ask them for help

[fading verge]

I have no idea how to rig my arms

I've tried for

god knows how long

but it always turns out fucked or wonky

[livid gulch]

Do you mean the ends?

Like the cuffs

[fading verge]

no

thearms

[fading verge]

h

[paper axle]

Does anybody know how to re-parent bones as well as adding bones? My armature is really bad and idk how to fix it.

[livid gulch]

When you go into edit mode on the armature, there's a tab that looks like a green bone/wrench. Should be pretty intuitive from there :3

Oh, and you have to click the bone you wanna rename/parent

[languid pewter]

what do you mean wonky

[fading verge]

it doesnt look good at all

some parts dont move

[sage patio]

the proportions of your arm bones are weird in the first place

also, your hip bone is way too big and too low

take the sphere at the base of the hip bone and move it halfway up

[echo charm]

it's already set to head in my armature 🤔

[sly venture]

any way to combine bones with their weights included to lessen the amount of overall bones in this part of this trench coat?

[lean lagoon]

cat's plugin has an option for shortening chains of bones like this

[orchid acorn]

Does anyone know of a decent way to have an avatar with a big head without making the viewball too low, but also so my shoulders irl aren't so far above the shoulders in game where the shoulders are in my avatar's giant head?

[west burrow]

If I add a bone constraint to my avatars armature can I upload it as a quest avatar?

[ornate cairn]

no

quest don't support it

[west burrow]

Sadness

Do you have any tips for helping the pelvis clothing not clip/ stretch weirdly when the legs go up?

[ornate cairn]

with new avatar dynamics there will be better way.

[ornate cairn]

that needs proper weight painting

[formal bolt]

is there just like. a template. a vrchat rig template i can import into my scene for a reference. ive been trying to fix my rig for up to a month now to try and fix the dreaded "not imported as a humanoid rig" issue

[ornate cairn]

check pinned messages for this channel

[formal bolt]

not this

[gray cave]

hey so i made a rigged 3d model in maya and am planning to convert it to an fbx file so i can set it up in Unity. is there any tips anyone has for that or anything i should know?

[tawny sable]

i need help rigging my pants in blender and im confusd on how to do so can anyone give me a hand?

what should i do?

[wet holly]

use https://www.mixamo.com/

[sage patio]

ehhh

nah

if the body is already rigged, just transfer weights from the body to the pants

[tawny sable]

It’s rigged but the eights won’t transfer over into unity

[sage patio]

also, the edges of those pants look odd... what does the topology look like

topology has a big effect on how well you can rig something

[tight cobalt]

Hey, whenever i try to merge armatures (from gumroad clothing stuff), sometimes, the clothing stays behind or is glitched or doesnt move at all. But when i go into pose mode on the clothings armature before having it merged it moves perfectly fine. what am i doing wrong? I really need some help, please

[ornate cairn]

if you merged them you need to set in modifier new object

[tight cobalt]

i merged them, but i cant select any other object in the modifiers armature.

example: (before merging, how the pants should move)

and after merging which leaves part of pants behind

[ornate cairn]

is your clothing a separate mesh?

and is it parented to rig

[tight cobalt]

yes its a separate mesh, also on a rig which i show in the top picture and also inside the rig theres another mesh which is a shirt

[tight cobalt]

and by top picture i mean this

[ornate cairn]

show the hierarchy on right panel

[tight cobalt]

this?

[ornate cairn]

so you are trying join armature.001 to armature?

[tight cobalt]

yes exactly.

[sly venture]

where do i do that

this one right?

[lean lagoon]

ye

[sly venture]

dope

its nice that its just a simple button press but its a shame I cant actually select which bones I want to pair together

still good though

[tight cobalt]

i found the issue. i dont know why, but when i clicked the right knee's vertex group it just snapped in place. reeaally weird stuff right here.

[velvet harbor]

When i'm moving the head of my model why is the back part of the paper bag get distorted like that? it works fine for the front and side part only that back area

[velvet harbor]

How can i parent model to specific bone? trying to rig the accesories after rigging the body with mixamo, still confused what is the best way to do this

[trim totem]

So I'm trying to connect these two ropes to the ends of this capsule and I want them to move with it as I am trying to simulate the slingshot ride. Any takes on how I could go about this?

[sage patio]

you don't, you make a vertex group on that accessory with the same name as the bone you want it to move with, and assign all of the vertices a weight of 1 to that group

make sure it also has an Armature modifier with the correct armature selected in Object

you can test it in pose mode

if you won't be toggling those off, join the meshes to your body

[velvet harbor]

Do you mean weight in edit mode right? it's set to one, it already has armature modifier generated by mixamo, do i need to add another one?

This is the one generated by mixamo, already add the vertex group by still doesn't work

also tried to change the vertex group to the most upper part of the bone(it's a tie btw), also does't work

[sage patio]

it's a tie? so wouldn't you want it to just move with one bone then

you would want it to be deformed by the spine, chest and upperchest (if you have one)

[velvet harbor]

i made it like this

[sage patio]

OH

so it's already rigged and you want to put a dynamic bone on it

so your question should have been: how do I parent a bone to another bone

[velvet harbor]

Yes i guess, the one generated by mixamo doesn't have bone for tie and several others object

[sage patio]

in which case, you select the bone to parent, shift click the bone to parent to, ctrl + P keep offset (in armature edit mode)

[velvet harbor]

ah i can already do that

[sage patio]

you would parent the top most bone in the tie to the chest bone

[velvet harbor]

This is the properties generated by mixamo for the tie, the one i underlined is bones that i made

btw i also add bone to another accesory and when i reparent it the object scaling and rotation become a mess, but since a simple floating thingy i can fix it no problem, the remaining one is only the tie and suit so it is quite hard to fix using the previous method. I only want to make them less rigid I guess

[sage patio]

when you move/scale something make sure to apply all transforms

ctrl a > all transforms

[velvet harbor]

Is this for before exporting to fbx for rigging with mixamo?

[sage patio]

whenever you move anything in blender

[velvet harbor]

Ah ok, maybe I'll try exporting it again tomorrow, hopefully it works

Thanks

[teal sigil]

need help my avatar position is set to 0 0 0 but its floating
dont have any idea how to rig

[ornate cairn]

it's more of origin point problem

can be fixed in blender pretty easly

[teal sigil]

will try thx for reply

[sacred elk]

How do I get a mesh to render in first person view, and not wiggle all over the place? (I can get hair to be visible in first person, but it doesn't align with the avatar's head correctly, and adding any other meshes directly infront of the viewpoint doesn't seem to work for some reason; ie: nose, helmet, visor, goggles, etc.) I'm still very new to blender and unity, so I may not immediately understand a given explanation. :x

Edit, nvm

[gleaming escarp]

hey would anyone mind helping me scale my avatar to my irl hight ik to some of you could probably do it with your eyes closed but to somone who knows absolutly nothing about the unity software or just software in general its complicated, So i would really appreciate the help

And if your busy sorry for the inconvieniance

[ocean crane]

Is there a new shortcut for selecting bones while I'm weight painting in Blender 3.1?

I've tried CTRL+Right but no matter what I do, it won't select the bones

[sage patio]

before entering weight painting mode, make sure that you had the armature selected first, and then the mesh

and when you're in weight painting mode, make that you don't have face or vertex masking enabled

[ocean crane]

I've done both of those, but I still can't select it...

I don't think I have face or vertex masking on, right?

[sage patio]

ctrl + left click doesn't work?

[ocean crane]

Yeah, that doesn't work either. Right click's my select anyways.

I even tried switching select to left click and trying that but that didn't work for whatever reason

[jolly pike]

PumkinsAvatarTools has a scaling option and shows a scale behind your avatar in inches

[velvet harbor]

in cats plugin in eye tracking section, what is lower lid used for?

also can i make the eye tracking move the bone instead of rotate? The model im creating have flat face and the eye is on the surace of it's face so it clip when the eyes move too far, already limit the range but it doesn't do anything

[kindred rover]

Hey guys, does anyone know if vrc has a base humanoid bone rig to use as a guideline.

[zealous bough]

there is an exemple rig in the SDK (according to the docs) named tpose-new.fbx

[kindred rover]

Ah great! Thanks.

[zealous bough]

where it is exactly? IDK I'm looking for it too in the beta sdk lol

[kindred rover]

Fair enough, I'm sure if I dig around enough I'll find something.
Was just checking so I don't miss something obvious that most people know about. ;p

[zealous bough]

but if you want general guidelines here's the docs I was refering too https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/full-body-tracking

[sage patio]

no, but there's other ways you can do that depending on the model

[velvet harbor]

Is it by setting it up directly in unity? The head is a simple box with circle flat eye

[quick sedge]

So my custom avatar glitches below the ground when I log onto vrc on quest, on normal PC its fine tho? Anyone got any ideas?

[crisp tendon]

Difficult to know without any information about the avatar

[languid pewter]

you probably did something weird when you uploaded it to quewst

[quick sedge]

What do you need to know, Kinda difficult to tell you what you need to know if I don't know what you need to know

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-know-i-know-you-know-it-bitch-hoe-bitch-gif-22468994

[crisp tendon]

i mean, anything really, what it looks like in unity, the rig in blender

[quick sedge]

Thats the most times iv ever said you know in one sentence

[crisp tendon]

You posted in the rigging channel so I assumed you thought it could be a rigging issue

[quick sedge]

Oh

It was supposed to upload to the avatar help my bad

[wispy grove]

Is there any possibility converting a vroid char to vrchat? If yes, anyone has a proper instruction for it?

[frank wolf]

I think theres like a whole bunch of Videos on youtube?

If you just look it up, I’m sure you can find something?

[snow oriole]

hi guys how can i upload my avatar it only has legs and no arms and i cant make it humanoid so when i upload it it cant pose or move legs

[lone pelican]

Hello!
I've been having a problem with my rigged models where their legs would cross each other if I'm on VR or when the animation transits. There's also a warning saying that "the angle between the thighs and pelvis should be close to 180 degrees" I wonder if that is the problem? Because last time I made my avatars with the same method it doesn't show that but the legs still cross. Any help is appreciated! (^_^)
(I can't take pictures right now so have a drawing as a visual)

[fading verge]

can somebody rig mine for me? i have a bad pc so i cant run unity, so if posible can someone rig mine for me or if there is a way to use blender then i can do that

[rigid panther]

Can someone pls like hold my hand through this or do it for me rigging and stuff for fullbody the hips always just flip 180 ;-;

[proper sand]

Yes I will get it done for you kindly inbox me now

and let us discuss more better

[turbid ocean]

Don't know if this is the right place

But is there a way to apply dynamic bones to a transformed mesh?

In this instance, i have joints that i had to stretch during an animation

if i turn on dynamic bones, it doesn't deform

[fervent hornet]

If the angle is below 10, your hip bone is probably pointed downwards instead of upwards

[lone pelican]

Ooh, so I just need to flip upwards again?

Thank you then ! I might need to see why the legs cross as well.

[fervent hornet]

Your legs may cross due to the knees bending inwards, make sure that the knees bend forwards slightly

[lone pelican]

Aah! Thank you !! I'll check that

[lilac quest]

i have dynamic bones questions

trying to figure out how to section the hair
and how i should make the skirt lay on the model

and weight painting the skirt in general

pls @ me if you have answers

[vagrant fossil]

does anyone know how to fix this issue with mapping the bones?

[vagrant fossil]

yeah that would be great

should i export the file and send it to ya

[fluid surge]

Anyone know how I could parent the cape bones to the chest or something? I dont want the cape to move when I lift my arms up

[near nebula]

weight paint the cape, but I would parent with empty groups if its a separate mesh

[tired lion]

how do i fix this issue i parented the part onto a bone and it started doing this

[worldly flower]

Hey what does it mean when something is a "first child"? It says my lower leg or foot isn't a first child and I'm not sure what to do. Is it because the skirt is part of the leg? How do I fix it?

[languid pewter]

i might be stupid but i havent had any issues with ignoring thta

[robust crescent]

https://gitlab.com/s-ilent/silenttools that script can fix that, if your rotation is wierd you want to fix your order

if you have a bone before what it expect to be it throws that error, most of the time it doesnt affect much, mostly just noticed it in fbt

[marsh flame]

Hello! I'm pretty new to VRChat community and character modeling, though I wanted to give it a try. My biggest problem is - arms twist in an odd way, elbows go towards spine and I can't quite figure it out, I only know it's something about rotation. On the other hand, when I used Adobe Mixamo to rig my model, only half of it seemed to be right. I can't export directly to my VRChat account yet so I'm using VUP to test things. I made screenshots of the first issue (elbows glued to spine) and the second (with a pose reference I wanted to work), which is half of the rig working. And also, I've noticed that textures on my character's ears turned upside down? Not quite sure what caused it. I will be really, really grateful for help, I'm so stuck on this since Friday and I just can't get it to work properly 😭 😭

[lilac moss]

1. in unity, in the fbx import settings under rig, configure, the arms should be slightly bent so that the elbow goes towards the back. if they are bent in another direction in that editor, rotation will be weird.
2. i'm not familiar with mixamo but i dont think you need to re-rig it to solve your other problems
3. dynamic bones component locks the bone to a transform, if you've changed the ear rotation it will revert back, maybe that's what's flippping it. try deleting the dynamic bone off the ears, resetting their rotation, then adding dynamic bone to them again

[marsh flame]

I will check that import settings in a moment. The ears actually don't have bones at all and they are weight painted to head bone. The shape itself doesn't flip, just the texture which I find really odd

[marsh flame]

Bending the elbow solved it. It still requires a few little fixes but at least I know what to do now. Thank you so much for the help, I had no clue it was this obvious

[brisk raven]

Is it possible for me to upload an avatar that doesn't have chest, shoulder and neck bones?

or is there a workaround for it to have chest, spine and neck bones set but not be mapped to anything?

[bleak rover]

yes. you will need to have the bones in the model, but that a bone exists doesn't mean it affects any part of the model

[brisk raven]

so could i just have shoulders and neck just not mapped to anything

like not weight painted

[novel storm]

I imported this model and I am making non-humanoid animations with it
Should I modify the bones structure or are the bones fine with just floating around the model?

[stable fern]

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/cyberpunk-jacket-8e042c21cf9e4fb3a956e4eec631ccb7
Can someone rig this? I’ve lost my will to continue because of this

[north flax]

awfully sorry to ask but

does anyone have a spare humanoid rig?

[tired lion]

is there a way to add multiple bones in a leg?

for it to walk right?

[ocean geyser]

so, idk if this is the right chat to ask this, but im new to avatars. and im trying to give my avatar hair physics/dynamic bones and i applied all the bones to the hair and such. but when i hit play and move my character via root. everything is completely still. the settings are normal that i know of and im just really confused as to why they arent working.

[crisp tendon]

Pictures of your setup would help !

[ocean geyser]

ah, yeah sure!

the vrchat sdk is kinda stuck there but uh here it is

[ornate cairn]

leave the prefab preview.

[robust crescent]

blue background - prefab view, cant upload from that

[ocean geyser]

im very slow, so uh im confused lol

[ornate cairn]

on top of hierarchy should be close button

[ocean geyser]

i mightve like closed the tab instead cause i couldnt find it-

got it back up!

fixed it, i got it now. ty

[sweet rain]

YOOO does anyone know if sticking a thigh bone this far back breaks fullbody IK? I'm makin a lil dude based off those wooden snake toys so I have to place stuff in weird spots lmao

I would also place it under the hip bone ofc but this is more a question about it being way back on the side view

[novel storm]

I don't think it will break it
People make hunched characters like dinosaurs by placing the legs really far back and it worked when I saw it on a full body user so you might be okay
I wouldn't take my word for fact though I am not very wise in the ways of unity

[sweet rain]

Oh!!! Thank you now I have to see if I can do the puppet IK digilegs, I doubt I can

[sage patio]

it's possible to rig proper digigrade legs, but requires a bit more setup

[sweet rain]

oh lol no i know a much easier way than that

that method is a littel outdated!

the thing is that I probably can't rig them witht his uneven hip alignment

[sage patio]

much easier way? care to explain?

[sage patio]

@sweet rain

[sweet rain]

OH here hold on

[sweet rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY_gnDVhyHQ&t=1275s

[fading verge]

Do you have a paper thing like this but to make avatars?

Like beginners?

[sweet rain]

the "lining up the bones to be paralel" can be done a much easier way, basically duplicate the thigh bone and move it down, shrink and match the points

[sage patio]

what are you trying to do exactly? make a model 100% from scratch, or edit an existing base?

[fading verge]

I’ve never made a model before

I have no experience

I just wanna be able to get up to make egirl and 3.0 avis

[sage patio]

that video is literally just a video version of that guide I sent lol

if you look in the description, it mentions DragonSkyRunner's tutorial

[sweet rain]

yeah! this is like

mega streamlined though

this version removes like 40 extra steps lol

also i found a solution, basically just moving the spine to hip pivot area back, and while it's not running down the middle anymore it's a lot more doable

[sage patio]

keep in mind that there has been multiple versions of the image guide made, specifically the one I sent is revision 2.1. the original guide was using FinalIK scripts, which might be what you're remembering

[sweet rain]

oh yeah I'm just taking what they said in the video! either way I don't have to worry about the hip bone placement anymore since I dound this comprimise

[spare bronze]

So for days now my bf and I have been trying to get this model full-body compatible. Could someone please tell me why its crunching like this:

could someone just tell me what the matter is? it just all keeps crunching up in full body

[sage patio]

you should put it in a T pose, and you should move the base of the hip bone higher up. the hip bone should be above the legs, and small.

[spare bronze]

thanks a ton! lemme try it out

[spare bronze]

so.. this is what happened when we tried rigging:

(ignore the weigh paints)

also can you plz tell me why the orbs (me) are far in front of him?

I cant fix that either. on every other model I use, theyre within (aligned) with the avatar. Th og version of the avatar they were even aligned. But if we put it into blender to fix the bones then reimport it, it keeps spawning the avatar behind me

[spare bronze]

update, we decided to re-rig the entire thing and start anew. for the most part it's working aside for the hips moving the entire body and legs, but that could probs be fixed easily.
as for the balls appearing far in front of the avatar, that's still an issue. if someone could tell me how to fix that, that would be great

[sage patio]

the balls are literally where your trackers are IRL. the issue here is not that the balls are in the wrong spot, the avatar is

[fading verge]

If you're using Steam might you be able to reset view so you're re-centered?

[sage patio]

either that, or you're using a mixed VR setup and didn't properly calibrate the playspace

[spare bronze]

i know th eballs are my trackers, but the issue is is that the avatar is centered in unity and blender

so I dont know why it spawns backwards ingame

[sage patio]

can you click on your avatar in Unity (the root object) and look at the Transform in the inspector?

[fading verge]

Do they spawn this way for other avatars as well?

[sage patio]

everything should be 0 besides the scale

^ Mica has a good point

[spare bronze]

and every other avatar works just fine, so the issue is not my trackers but the avatar itself

just this one

okay so its weird because the original (non full body compatible one) has the balls spawn in it, but when we put it into blender then take it out and put it back ingame, it suddenly does THAT

[spare bronze]

has anyone else had this issue with the tracker balls and an avatar?

[spare bronze]

nvm found the issue lol

[tired lion]

how do i fix this issue i parented the part onto a bone and it started doing this idk what i did wrong

so is there any way i can fix that?

[fading verge]

is there anything i can do to fix this to make it useable in vr chat?

mmm...

[ornate cairn]

looks like hip bone is too low

it's bottom point needs to be above upperleg top point

[fading verge]

hmm...im not really sure how to move bones ^^'

what should i do here?

[languid pewter]

what happens if i was to not do that

[ornate cairn]

it usually results in sinking of avatar

[languid pewter]

can it cause the hip bone to just spaz out

[ornate cairn]

you can move bones with g

[ornate cairn]

what do you mean by that

[fading verge]

wait but which bone do i move?

[languid pewter]

trying to figure out how to explain it cause i cant get on and get a video or anything right now

[languid pewter]

the hip rotates at a 90 degree angle and back to "normal" rapidly, everything else stays normal but the hips just spaz out roughly like i described

[fading verge]

i move it up wards right?

[ornate cairn]

it can be problem of hip bone being flipped

[ornate cairn]

move it so rig isn't crooked

look at pinned messages of this channel

[languid pewter]

does the bottom of the spine being like halfway in the middle of the hip cause some vaguely similar issue

[ornate cairn]

it can

unity needs them to be connected

or they can keep offset but they need to be like they are connected

so like this

[languid pewter]

i know what you mean

the file names of both of the avatars that did it were literally "FUCK YOU" so i probably just got really lazy

[ornate cairn]

well fix it and check if that will fix issue

[fading verge]

AH shoot wrong message!

[fading verge]

dose this have anything to do with the way she is standing in vr?

[ornate cairn]

with standing no, it can cause some problems in fbt

but shouldn't

[fading verge]

is there anyway to fix this issue?

[ornate cairn]

your hip bone was curved to upper legs with not 180 angle

you just rotate it so it is

[fading verge]

dose this look right?

[ornate cairn]

your hips are still too low

make it so it's like that

[fading verge]

better?

[ornate cairn]

yes

[fading verge]

can i put it into unity now?

[ornate cairn]

yes now you can test it

[terse igloo]

its common to try small adjustments and then test build and repeat until it looks good

getting everything perfect in 1 shot is really lucky lol

[fading verge]

haha yeah!

[languid pewter]

i've had like 2 avatars work right off the bat

[fading verge]

That’s super luck!

[fading verge]

So when I put it into unity could I make a new project for this fixed model?

[terse igloo]

yea you can name it "thiccModel_update2" or somethin, whatever you want to distinguish it

[fading verge]

Lol okie ^^

[zealous basalt]

anybody here who knows about disappearing hair when importing from blender to unity?

looks fine on blender

[onyx python]

I'm kinda new to all this, so maybe this is a stupid question: can I have two armatures on one avatar?

[sage patio]

can we have more context as to what you're actually trying to do?

[onyx python]

I made my avatar with vroid, so it's already all rigged up, but I wanted to give her a tail. I'm not really sure how I could add it to the main mesh without messing stuff up, so I was wondering if it would be okay to just have it as a separate armature? Or would that cause issues?

[sage patio]

I mean, you can technically just throw it on the model in Unity, but the proper way would be to add it in Blender, and actually join the armatures

throwing it on in Unity won't "cause issues", but it's definitely more janky imo

[onyx python]

ok I think just realized that it is literally as simple as just joining them like you would anything else? I'm sure I'll have to fiddle around with weights, but

[sage patio]

• move the tail's armature until it's in the right spot
• ctrl + A > All transforms
• select tail armature, shift click main armature, ctrl + J to join them
• switch to armature edit mode, click the root bone of the tail, shift click hip bone, ctrl + P > Keep offset

and you're done

[onyx python]

I am REALLY bad about overthinking solutions to things lmao. thank you so much!

[sage patio]

👍

[ornate cairn]

it's not rig problem but you checked the normals? maybe they are flipped on wrong side

[onyx python]

one last problem,, anyone know why this would be happening?

[ornate cairn]

bad weight painting

[fading verge]

hay hay! i ended up getting the model i needed is there anything wrong with this one?

[onyx python]

why cant i paint the tail?? i am a little lost here lol

[ornate cairn]

it's probably different mesh

[ornate cairn]

looks ok from that angle

[fading verge]

how about here?

[ornate cairn]

looks ok

[onyx python]

i manually joined the meshes together earlier, so it was seperate earlier, but it shouldn't be anymore

[ornate cairn]

ok try saving project and re-openning it again

sometimes it happens

[onyx python]

it's still doing that,,, hmm

[ornate cairn]

check if in edit mode it counts as part of mesh

[onyx python]

like this?

[sage patio]

uh

are the normals flipped lol

select all of the tail (hover and hit L) and do alt + N > Recalculate outside

[onyx python]

didn't really seem to do anything

[fading verge]

I agree with Whiren, it may be a Normals thing (the direction of the faces being wrong) Click on the arrow next to that overlapping circle and turn Face Orientation on. If you see any red faces on the hair like this select them & press Alt+N then choose Flip

[somber roost]

Question on the armature rotations and positions: My avatars have so far worked fine until I slap on full body trackers; HOWEVER, when wearing them and moving forward my avatar suddenly assumes a "gremlin" pose during the walk / run cycle.
Moving my hands a bit back and looking down while doing so turns my avatar into sort of a weird hips first pose where the hands go back like doing a naruto run. is this due the hips positions being too low vs the upper leg or does it have something to do with the spine? This seems to happen with all my avatars Ive made in the past (3 years ago) but I havent been active enough to see when it broke. I'd like to actually understand the cause so I can fix it into my base skeleton for my personal toolset and automate a fix for all my avatars ive made as commissions.

here is a distant shot of what the "gremlin pose" looks like

[autumn sonnet]

So I'm lost. I've been trying to find out how to add modifiers in 3.1 Blender. I have finished this model but I'm new to this as I used some stuff and put it together. I've crated an armature based on tutorials but I'm unable to get the armature attached to the model. I don't see modifiers as an option.

Not sure what step I missed or maybe I need to just expore the model I created then put in back into blender and redo the armature again?

[fading verge]

@autumn sonnet Try deleting that modifier, select all parts of your mesh followed by selecting the armature last and press CTRL+P with "Automatic Weight Paints"

You can combine your meshes together beforehand through Ctrl+J or attach them on to the armature independently if you'd like
Whichever is easier for you

[autumn sonnet]

I got it to move now luckily

HOwever when converting over to unity I'm unable to convert it to a humanoid model. No idea why

[gleaming spoke]

Hi, somebody knows why the spine of this avatar is twisting like this?

When in blender looks kind different and even when I am doing the T-pose

[somber roost]

Side view?

it seems like the hips and spine may be angle in a weird way that when straightened is causing it.

[onyx python]

this is frustrating. I changed some parts (fingernails and ears) of my model, but now whenever I change the value of ANY shape key, it reverts them back to their original shape. is there a way to stop that from happening?

also it only reverts one of the ears? no clue why, it changes both sets of fingernails

figured out a way to fix it, dunno if it's the best way but it works. In case anyone else has this issue, what I'm doing is I'm selecting all the vertices that are misbehaving, then go to Vertex > Blend from Shape, and uncheck Add. Then I'm just Shift+R-ing to repeat that function for each shape key I have

would anyone happen to know why that happened though? I'd like to keep it from happening again in the future

[somber roost]

If you edit the mesh while you have ashape key selected you are only editing t he shapekey it self.

make sure you only edit with the base shapekey selected.

best way to fix would be to separate all the parts that you want to shapekeys to effect (forexample, head), remove shapekeys from all the part you do not want to adjust with shapekeys, (such as hands, clothes)

You also have the propagate to shapekey option to migrate selected vertices across all shapekeys

[tired lion]

how do i fix this idk what broke

[somber roost]

Looks like you have 3D cursor selected instead of Median Point for the rotation point, just swap the transform pivot point

You didnt break anything :>

[tired lion]

@somber roost it is now doing this (In unity)

[robust crescent]

Change your pivot setting

[tired lion]

in blender?

how do i change the pivot setting in unity?

[sage patio]

top left

[tired lion]

i am having trouble where only one side of the face breaks

where top left

never mind

when i change the pivot would it transfer over to vrchat?

[sage patio]

bones will always rotate from where the head of the bone is

the pivot point in blender and unity is purely for when YOU want to manipulate it

[verbal torrent]

would I be able to like commission somebody to rig and upload an avatar for me? Not sure if this is the right place to ask but I’m just curious

[somber roost]

You are pivoting parts of the avatar instead of the skeleton.

When making blender avatars, the skeleton tends to be always apart of the Armature tree (unless you renamed your armature)

You should also probably merge the parts of the avatar so that its a single mesh

[tired lion]

i tried making a animatronic but when i used cat to make it all one mesh it screwed up the avatar

[somber roost]

Ah you can fix that manually by making sure all the positiosn and rotations are set before you do anything with the mesh

Apply location, scale and rotation (ctrl a when mesh parts are selected) for each part then join them together using the join tool (ctrl + J)

[worn swift]

I have this problem where some of the parts of the shoes don't move with the rest of it even it's all on one mesh, does anyone know how to fix this?

[somber roost]

Weight painting

the vertices for the shoe parts are not apart of the leftfoot (or what ever the skeletons name for it is) vertex group

[tired lion]

how do i set there location, scale and rotation?

[worn swift]

How do I fix that, I'm not experienced with blender

[somber roost]

select each part, shift + c (centers cursor), then ctrl + a then press 4 (apply all transform)

[somber roost]

after that ctrl + J to join them all together

[tired lion]

is it ok to select all parts and apply there location?

[somber roost]

yes

[tired lion]

it kinda messed up the eye

[somber roost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPYs3pZEzPY

[worn swift]

Ok, thank you

[somber roost]

undo and do every part except the eye.

then you should probably check how the eye is structured

in anycase, that was not the original issue anyway

[tired lion]

idk what it is doing anymore

now it just does this

it removes the textures

idk what is going on anymore

[somber roost]

Ah there is probably some materials that are named the same that is causing that issue

You can just avoid merging the mesh together doing that then, but its something you should probably tinker with

[tired lion]

i do have some parts as one

[somber roost]

but in general combine as much as you can and rename the parts to something that is easy to recognize instead of the same as bone names

[tired lion]

so the materials are causing it to mess up from joining together

[somber roost]

Its my initial guess yes.

since the mesh seems fine, its the colors that go all over the place on join

[tired lion]

they are named material. then some random number

[somber roost]

Not very clean, but Im guessing its just an avatar without textures too, those are just base material names

in anycase, it should work just as it without the joining just fine, but VRC will complain about avatar complexitivity.

should work otherwise in the unity

but make sure you select the armature bones not the parts when doing the bindings or the tests

[tired lion]

how would i rig it without doing what i was doing

[somber roost]

isnt the rig already in place on the avatar?

[tired lion]

i parented the meshes to bones

to work like a animatronic but unity doesn't like what i did

[somber roost]

Yes, but you were rotating the parts, not the bones them selves in unity

[tired lion]

yea but also getting errors to

[somber roost]

ok, then look up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPYs3pZEzPY

something somewhere went incorrectly

[somber roost]

this indicates a skeleton

its easier to work with when you have the mesh a single unit

[tired lion]

ok

[somber roost]

armature = being the skeleton that is

you skin the mesh to it, while the skeleton it self and the methods of controlling it = rig

[tired lion]

i can only join couple of stuff before materials start to glitch

so how would i rig this with so many parts and vrchat stop being mad about it

[tired lion]

found why it wasn't letting me make it one

@somber roost now what since i have it all as one mesh besides the eye

[balmy totem]

When i rotate the head's bone, a whole section of the legs goes crazy. Any idea how to fix this ?

[gentle harbor]

i need help i have an avatar i bought but i need to fix the armature before i can get it too work in VR how to do that? my avatar is already rigged i think

[lyric dove]

hoi lil question i was wondering because idk how rig work and when i look the rig in this one there no shoulder or anything (since those character dont have any or leg) so how can i make it work?

[lyric dove]

nvm i give up this is too complicated im sorry to bother yall

[round turtle]

posted in the wrong channel lol

[tired lion]

In order to fix this do i need to add a bone for the jaw?

[ornate cairn]

no

you just need to assign this part to head

[tired lion]

oh i added it just in case

well that is the thing it was with the head and the weight was set to 1

[ornate cairn]

you checked if nothing else was weighted?

[tired lion]

well i can't change anything since i reverted it

since i got the whole avatar as one mesh do i need to use automatic weights for this?

[tired lion]

why can't i assign weights in edit mode

i just don't get it

going to try a different bone

and that is with automatic bones

what is going on

[ornate cairn]

did you pressed assign button?

[tired lion]

yes

it is still pulling other parts

[ornate cairn]

check if other bones doesn't have there weights

[tired lion]

when i click select on jaw it selects everything again idk why

this is what happens when i click select

this is what i am trying to assign for jaw

fixed it for the jaw

[tame anchor]

Hey quick question.
I have these Axis's here that control the pupil by sliding the UV map around.
Is this not usable in VrChat? Will I have to separate the pupils?

[tame anchor]

Wow that is a really cool model...

I am no expert in Blender, but sometimes automatic weights are a little funny with complex models... And weight painting to touch it up is tricky

[tired lion]

how do i fix this

[tame anchor]

What am I looking at?

The jaw is not moving with the head? Is that the problem?

[tired lion]

i made the model look down

with the spine

[tame anchor]

Hm, perhaps it is not parented correctly...?

The Jaw bone I mean might not be parented correctly

The Jaw Bone is already weighted to the Jaw right?

[tired lion]

yea

[tame anchor]

And the Jaw can move up and down?

[tired lion]

everything is fine until it look down

[tame anchor]

I imagine it is parenting then. What bone is it parented to?

[oblique trellis]

Why can’t I upload my avatar I am confused

I am new to all of this so Idk what I am doing

[tame anchor]

So in Unity, if you click your Avatar object, the right side has a panel with all the properties right?

You can add properties and scripts to that list at the bottom.
It is telling you to add the "VRCAvatarDescriptor" one to this object so it knows it is an Avatar

[tired lion]

fixed it

[tame anchor]

Nice...!

[oblique trellis]

Ok sweet man I think I got it

[tame anchor]

By the way, this is a minor thing, but this avatar looks like it has much more polygons than it probably needs.
If you want, you could simplify it by entering face select mode, hovering over a region and pressing L to select that group, right clicking, and selecting "un-subdivide". It's not noticeable either, especially on sections that are smooth or small

The security breach models are well known for being very bad for performance hah...

[oblique trellis]

It’s just blank now

Ok I got that now it’s saying this

It is grayed out

[robust crescent]

scroll up, likely asking for mipmap on texture

[tame anchor]

Yes, any errors that are preventing upload are labeled a the top

[ornate cairn]

did you even set rig as humanoid?

you probably watched 0 tutorials so i assume you didn't

[tame anchor]

He only learned this menu and Unity in general existed like 2 minutes ago

[oblique trellis]

Yea I literally just installed this and got the model from a site that has them

[tame anchor]

If you want to tell him with what he is doing wrong, you could try helping him

[oblique trellis]

I prefer actual help not useless bantering

[tame anchor]

Don't be rude to people you want help from either

[oblique trellis]

And yes I have the rig as humanoid

[ornate cairn]

site that have them? you checked if it isn't site with stolen models?

[oblique trellis]

It was from vrchat mods or something I don’t know shit about any of this I just want a spaceman avatar from astroneer and they had it

[robust crescent]

yeh thats one of them 🤢

[tame anchor]

I would assume if it is from a game then it is a model rip right?

[oblique trellis]

Most likely it is just ripped

[gentle harbor]

i bought an avatar from cgtrader and its already rigged but it wont work in vr chat im so confused

some people say its the armature thing but idk how to do that stuff

[sterile depot]

did it tell u that u didnt have an animator or smthn

if that's the issue, it just means u didnt change the rig to humanoid

I had that issue a couple times starting out

[magic sonnet]

does anyone know why a rotation constraint, or a parent constraint aswell with the same method. would just suddenly turn 180 degress or just spaz off in some nonsense direction as soon as you go to just lock one of its axis? its made me completely unable to work on a model because of this. its not from any sort of parent issues or bone rolls as far as ive been able to test so far. another annoying part of this is that it only affects some bones, but it has absolutely no consistency whatsoever. like even if i set it to lock all directions i wont be able to see it moving, but in the transform box it will still show it flickering from 180 to -180 constantly, so somehow rotation is still getting through regardless of what the constraint is telling it to do.

[fading verge]

how do dynamic bones work

[golden meadow]

anyone got an idea of why shirt sleeve makes the sweater go inside itself making a hole whenever arms are down, Weight paintin didnt seem to help after a few hours of toying around with it

[formal hare]

Check the transforms of the bone in blender; as well as the difference between the objects youre trying to constrain (and their influences). Sometimes when you get a weird angle between the constraint and the object, the constraint will essentially "exceed" the angles youd want it to stay within and thus do that sorta spaz thing

[formal hare]

as in how they literally, on a technical basis, function? or as in how do you use them?

[fading verge]

It's ok i gave up mentally

[oblique trellis]

Can someone please explain to me what I am doing wrong here, I am trying to merge the hoodie with the body mesh but it isn’t working

I am new to blender so please bare with me

I have been trying to follow along with. A few tutorials but the ctrl j command to merge them isn’t working

[crisp tendon]

In object mode ?

[oblique trellis]

Yes

[modern beacon]

How do I make a bone parent another bone

[languid pewter]

how do i do shoulders lol

[lyric stratus]

CTRL P

[lyric stratus]

can anyone help with making 2D eyes pupils move? how would i even go about that

[sage patio]

would help to know what your model looks like

[lyric stratus]

sure thing

one second

https://i.imgur.com/zBGeuff.gif

im moving them with a texture coordinate, i understand i could rig with drivers, but that cant work with unity right?

[sage patio]

no, that won't work with Unity

[lyric stratus]

shape keys also cant work because as far as i know it needs to be a bone

i can make these seperate meshes instead but

then how would the pupil move and not clip through the eye?

or maybe theres another way

[sage patio]

if it's completely 2D, you can use multiple bones + constraints

[lyric stratus]

i saw people using things to deform the UVs

how would i go about that?

[sage patio]

well really, there's 2 ways you can approach this problem

using animations: you can basically do whatever you want, but it might look a bit odd since the eyes wouldn't track properly

or, using the existing eye bones. has the benefit of being more accurate, but limits your options

[lyric stratus]

what options would it limit?

[sage patio]

you can animate texture coordinates, but you can't do that based on bones or anything, it would have to be animated manually

[lyric stratus]

yeah

but i dont know whats the downside of doing the bones, or how i would do that

[sage patio]

if you're using bones, you would have to either have it rigged like a normal eye that rotates, or you can use 3 bones to make it move in 2D using a position constraint

[lyric stratus]

by a normal eye, do you mean a sphere?

[sage patio]

ye

or part of one

[lyric stratus]

its def a possibly but id rather it be 2d if possible

if you have any direction to point me in to try the second option first, that would rock

thanks for all the help so far

[sage patio]

if you're doing 2D with bones, you basically you have the real eye bone that rotates, and parented to that you have another bone a bit in front. when the eye rotates, that one swings around. in front of that, you have a third bone, parented to the head bone. the eye mesh is weighed to that bone. you then add a Position constraint to it, targeting the 2nd bone, with only the X and Y axis checked

[lyric stratus]

at lead i know its possible

[sage patio]

the idea is that it will follow the 2nd bone, but it will not rotate, nor move in the forward/back direction

so it basically just moves in a 2d plane

useful for avatars that have screens as heads

[lyric stratus]

so would the eye and pupil be seperate 2d meshes?

[sage patio]

the eye socket and the head can all be one mesh

actually

the whole thing is one mesh