avatar-rigging

[elfin meadow]

Bones should be like this for eyes I believe

Vertical

That's what I've seen in all of the things I've looked at

[wheat thistle]

Aaah ok.

[elfin meadow]

You should just be able to switch to edit mode and point it upwards

[wheat thistle]

The one that the vertex group USED to be parented to is that front one in the pupil, but when it would rotate that, the pupil would spin in place lol. So I tried shifting it back to the bone that seemed to work better

[elfin meadow]

If you think about it, the CATS plugin is rolling the bone around its axis, so if they're facing forward then it's just going to spin the eye along the bone direction

If you point the bone up, spinning the bone along its axis will rotate the eye

[wheat thistle]

Aaah yeah, good point. That makes sense.

[elfin meadow]

You'll want the bone in the center of the eye

Otherwise it'll come out of its socket haha

[wheat thistle]

Yeah that's how it is now I think, just facing the wrong way. The other was at the front of the eye and it was kind of cursed lol

[elfin meadow]

🤣 rigging can be incredibly cursed

[wheat thistle]

So I should just be able to transform this bone 90* on the....Y I think but I'll trial and error that

Right?

[elfin meadow]

Like this yeah

If you do it in edit mode you should just be able to point it right up

[wheat thistle]

Oooh, bone transforms don't have rotation, just the Head/Tail positions. Or can I just use the rotation hand tool?

[elfin meadow]

You can use the rotation tool still in Blender I believe. Alternatively you could just copy the tail X/Y onto the head (or vice versa, I always forget which end of the bone is which)

hitting R and then Y should let you rotate the bone around one axis

[wheat thistle]

Is there a way to snap the rotation?

[elfin meadow]

If you type R then Y then 90 it'll rotate by 90 deg

[wheat thistle]

ah cool

[elfin meadow]

(you can use X instead of R to rotate on X)

[wheat thistle]

I think it's X I want actually, now that I'm looking at it

[elfin meadow]

sorry, X instead of Y

So R X 90

[wheat thistle]

...Oops

I managed to crashed Blender

lol

[elfin meadow]

Oh wow that's impressive. I did that earlier by setting subdivision to like 20 😛 thankfully autosave had my back

[wheat thistle]

Yeah, I saved recently. I pressed a button and apparently it didn't like it

Let me try this again

Huh. I see.

The create eye tracking tool is creating new bones for the eyes o.o

And I think that's what's been giving me issues

Because they point forward

[elfin meadow]

Hmm, are you trying to use eye tracking with your avatar?

That's different to the normal eye support I think

I think it's fine if the eye tracking bones point forwards, but you still need bones pointing upwards?

[fervent hornet]

In AV3 you can adjust the values yourself, but yes the bones should be pointing upwards with no roll if you want it to work correctly

[wheat thistle]

aaaah ok. how do i turn off roll

[wet tide]

hi! i have a very similar problem as sirjames and i was wondering if someone can help walk me through this,,,,

my brain is smooth and 3d modelling is hard hfdhg

so uhm, i'm not sure if i should be doing this in blender or unity or not, but i created an avatar with vroid and imported it into unity with VRMimporter

now i hav some boots, glasses, fishnets, and earrings i wanna add

i imported the boots into unity by exporting it through blender (it was originally a pmx file)

and now i hav the same problem, i wanna edit one of the boots so that it fits the model since there's too much distance in between

should i just switch back to blender to do this? after all i do wanna add fishnets and it isn't made for my avatar's base so idk if unity has functionality to sculpt it onto my avatar's body

[crisp tendon]

For the boots yeah, you can fix that in blender

[solid adder]

Mirror component modifier will be your best friend for things like this since VRoid models tend to be symmetrical.

Once you take it into Blender that is.

[wet tide]

yesh i decided to take it back into blender

im trying to figure out the shoes atm kjdgfdsd

[solid adder]

Well again, you can always delete the shoe that's not on the avatar and use a Mirror Modifier.

[wet tide]

:0

true

i dont know why i didnt think of that

[solid adder]

Well Blender don't come with instructions really so it's something you learn on your own.

[wet tide]

uh,,,, how would i go about doing that actually ksjdjgdfj

[solid adder]

In your tabs with the small symbols there should be a picture of a wrench.

[wet tide]

modifier properties?

[solid adder]

Yep.

Add a new modifier and find Mirror.

Now do know that the modifiers will not be applied if there are shape keys. So you will have to separate the shoe from the avatar and delete all shape keys from the shoe in this instance.

[wet tide]

i think it worked*??? i saw the model shift a little but i need to delete the right shoe still i think

how would i go abt deleting the right shoe

ouh wait

i might be able to just fix this by moving the bones a little

or rotating them i shud say

shud i do that?

im not sure jfdksfkdh

[solid adder]

Up to you. I would separate the shoes from the model first, then delete the shoe that's not on the model in edit mode, delete all shape keys from the shoe, and then add the mirror modifier in that order.

Then you can just apply the modifier and both shoes should be fitted on the feet correctly.

It would also make weight painting a bit more easy since that would also be able to be mirrored if you have problems down the line with that.

[wet tide]

hmmmmm

that's true,,

oki

how would i seperate the boots into individual models?

so i can delete?

[solid adder]

Are they by chance their own material?

[wet tide]

uhmmmmm

i'm not quite sure hdfjjsndkdjf

how would i check

[solid adder]

Do they have their own texture?

[wet tide]

OUH

yes

[solid adder]

Put the avatar in edit mode, go to your materials, highlight the material that the boots are using, and press the select button that should appear when you highlight the material while in edit mode.

Then you can press ctrl P(?) To separate by selection.

[wet tide]

helo

sorry im bakc

how do i put the scene into edit mode?

ouh wait i found it!

how would i go abt highlighting the material

i selected a new texture* since the original one was broken, theyre all the same otherwise

the original one gave a pink overlay which looked funky

i don't know what i'm doingggggg

augh

i feel bad for asking since i cant give anything in return

ouh-

well i found where the shape keys are

there's only one that says basis

where do i find the material that the boots are using

i know the file path of the boot texture, it's under material properties in MMD texture

but other than that

i think i seperated them

it created another thing called BOOTS_mesh.001

when i click on it though the highlight still goes around both shoes though

yes it's not seperating them

i pressed on select, it highlighted the entire thing
went to mesh, pressed on seperate>selection

it creates another mesh but it doesnt seperate the boots

it just moves both of them onto the new mesh

[river merlin]

uhm hey guys me again, when i pull my character in unity his shirt is gone and the colors are different (i did the thing with the materials already)

[river merlin]

stuff like the shirt (which should be purple) is just black and when i apply shaders its disappears completely

even the hair and body color are different and i dont know hwy :c

after applying the shader

i really dont know what happens with the colors and the shirt there

[wet tide]

i still havent figured out how to seperate them after all this time kdkfgkndfg

is anyone still able to help??

[gray meadow]

Did U find a Boots fbx thats just two Boots meshes stuck together or smth

Damn i was abt to try and help but i realized I Have no idea how to seperate them without using Blender and i have no idea how blender works

[wet tide]

yesh i found a boots mmd file (pmx) thats just 2 meshes stuck together

ive been trying to seperate them in blender but honestly im kinda just considering on rotating the bones but then my model will probably clip through it alot because no weightpainting :(

[gray meadow]

Tbh id say Find Seperate boots

[wet tide]

awh :(

but these boots are snazzy as heck

there is an alternative to these but it's paid and it has like a billion triangles

and frankly i dont wanna spend 50 dollars

also just fyi i love ur pfp

have u got all of the eastereggs on the website?

i managed to find the 11th but im still looking for the 12th easteregg

[river merlin]

do you have blender?

[wet tide]

(offtopic i know im sorry)

[river merlin]

i had the same problem yesterday

like with the shoes

[wet tide]

yesh i saw ur messages

but,,,,,,

[river merlin]

then do it like that

[wet tide]

oh

wait

is the way you did it not the same?

hold on ill read it again

[river merlin]

yeah xD i just seperatet them so i could move them on my own

[gray meadow]

fellow Ena Liker

nyways if you somehow had the blend files for the boots u could put em into blender

and seperate the meshes

problem is finding Usuable information on how blender works is impossible if you dont ask People

and just go to youtube

[river merlin]

you have to click on the body (the shoes not the bones) and then go to edit mode. Press alt + z and select one shoe. press l then p and seperate them

[gray meadow]

40 minutes of the Thing im not looking for and 1 minute of the Thing i am looking for inbetween a bunch of Greeble dialogue

are u using the New veresion of blender?

[wet tide]

oh nononono thats what ive been doing

[gray meadow]

I forget the actual version name isnt it 2.0

[wet tide]

i imported the boots into blender

i just cant seperate them

ill try james' method though

OH

WAIT

no sorry i'm dumb i misread ur message

yes this wouldve been a whole lot easier if i had the blend file hhfdhgj

and yes im using the latest ver

[gray meadow]

i wish All people who dont include the blend files on their accesories a Very die

[wet tide]

hehfgjdgjfdnjsdf

[gray meadow]

and all the ppl who dont include substancepainter files for their avatars ESpecially if you intend for me to edit their textures

[wet tide]

tbf i think they are seperate models but blender just imports them wonkily since it's an MMD format

they didnt expect me to use it outside of MMD i guess

[gray meadow]

I know theres a lot of Shenanigans you have to do to get mmd stuff to work properly in vr

Once saw someone import a model straight from mmd and it. turned out relaly bad. the worst ive ever seen

I wish i had a video honestly

[wet tide]

HHHGJDFJ

well other than the mesh issues and some other settings i needed to tweak it imported fine

it had a pink halo surrounding it and i just had to uncheck one thing and it looked normal again

REALLY

PLS BOT

@river merlin U DID IT u actually figured it out for me thank u so much

[gray meadow]

im glad u could figure it out :)

Sucks when smths wrong n u cant find out whats wrong

[wet tide]

SNAZZY

BOOTS

now i just need to import all of the other fricking accessories hgjfdgjfdngd

i hope i dont run into as much issues as i did with these fricking b00ts

okay i dont even know where to begin to add fishnets

ouh wait there's another way of doing it

i just realized

this is gonna add like 100,000 polygons

maybe i shouldnt

[gray meadow]

Well quest users definitely cant see it

....thats an okay compromise

The rest of the model isnt like 80 gorillion polygons tho

Id say youre okay

Making a model thats rated excellent is Extremely hard

[wet tide]

true hjfdgjfdjgndf

but tbh i dont think my pc will even be able to handle that much

im gonna see if i can make a much more simple one that's just a texture extruded a little bit around the bodypart

2k polygons per bodypart :>

[gray meadow]

sometimes idk how avatars end up with poor ratings

the ena avatar i use shows up as Poor rating even tho shes just polygons

[wet tide]

omfg

[gray meadow]

my friends big boss avatar shows up as verypoor even tho big boss in mgs3 is from fucking 2003

[wet tide]

hmmmmmm

yknow wat

im gonna try it anyway

my model by itself is already above 10k polygons so quests users wouldve never been able to see it in the first place

time to explode my pc

[gusty compass]

Sometimes it is materials and dynamics shits

I use a ferret model with 4k polys

But it is poor

Bc of 4/5 materials and dynamics

[gray meadow]

Thats piss poop its so Delicate

what if i just used the fucken default unity cube

Unity Cube ? Blender Cube

[elfin meadow]

It should show you the reason in both the SDK upload window and in-game.

[fading verge]

anyone how i can fix that my middle plate moves like crap if i crouch

[gray meadow]

Yeah I Know That

[elfin meadow]

Sounds like you've got it weight painted to the wrong bone

[fading verge]

well to what should i parent it

or weightpaint it

[fading verge]

?

[tulip root]

can someone help me position my feet bones the right way? Like if you have hooves how should they be positioned?

[elfin meadow]

Still forward like normal feet I'd wager.

[stuck parrot]

feel like this would be the best place for help with this, but it seems any avatar i upload to blender, fix model, and then export and put it unity has its bones broken or something. when i put them in unity and try to put dynamic bones on them, they don't work at all. i've tried this with four different models and they all do the same thing.

i dont understand though cause i can see the bones are there in blender just fine, and the rig setup in unity seems fine, but dynamic bones just do nothing when put on.

[kindred pollen]

Do the dynamic bones work in Unity's play mode, but not VRChat? o:

[stuck parrot]

they don't work in play mode, nor do i see them on the avatar when applied, cause when you have the model selected you would see them but they just are not there

[ornate cairn]

you need to select bones in root on dynamic bones component

[stuck parrot]

omg omg thank you i KNEW it was something stupid and small i had been missing

this is such a relief, i never had to do that one little part before so i was like wtff

[kindred pollen]

legs look fine to me? note that leg shuffle thing might again just be a side-effect of how VRChat's IK works

also, might be worth checking to see if the issue's only in desktop or VR

[wide knot]

does anyone know what could cause fingers to twist and scale weirdly in game? looks fine in unity and blender

[tulip root]

fix bone roll

[wide knot]

i set bone roll to 0 on every single finger bone

or well, every single bone on my avatar

[tulip root]

What is this?

[wide knot]

a bone not involved with fingers

just for attaching colliders

fingers are all parented to wrist

not to that bone

[tulip root]

check if you have parts weightpainted to wrong fingers

[wide knot]

weight painting is correct

[tulip root]

u sure?

[wide knot]

posing bones in blender everything looks fine

[tulip root]

Bone roll, weightpaint or gestures. One of those is your problem.

[wide knot]

using default gesture layer

i feel like the game overrides finger positions from gestures when using index controllers

and just forces finger bones to predetermined positions

which dont line up with my rig, which causes warping

fingers basically follow the blue axis

[stuck parrot]

how do i connect one bone to another?

[limber junco]

bill cipher

[fading verge]

yes

[elfin meadow]

There's a parent option in the relationship menu for a bone in Blender (it's in the right-hand menu). Make sure the parent is set and tick connected.

[gentle veldt]

so my avatar's knees bend the opposite direction when i crouch... what do?

they bend backwards when i start to crouch. but when i crouch a little further, approaching the prone threshold, they go to normal. and this is a fully rigged model that i had purchased. is it maybe due to the custom prone animation? or is it due to these things?

[crisp tendon]

What does the armature look like in blender from the side ?

[crisp tendon]

Try moving the knee bone slightly forward and then clearing rolls on all bones in edit mode

[gentle veldt]

just tried without a custom prone and thats not the issue

[gentle veldt]

um.... what?

clearing rolls?

[crisp tendon]

In blender you have a search bar that lets you find anything you can do

alt + R also works

[fading verge]

I have a question

@crisp tendon I'm trying to make a request on making a skin in a .vrm format. Know where I can get help on that?

[crisp tendon]

#avatar-search-old

[fading verge]

Who would take upon the request though

By random?

[crisp tendon]

no clue, but that's the wrong channel for that, you can commission people from other places

[fading verge]

I've asked several people so far from multiple discord servers and they have always turned me down.

[sage patio]

tried VRC Traders?

[fading verge]

No idea on what that is.

[elfin meadow]

#community-servers-old, scroll to the very top

[fading verge]

I'm trying to get an avatar for virtual Droid 2, but I don't think it runs by the same style when it comes to avatars. Thanks for pointing me to the server though.

[fickle cosmos]

I cant find / remember right search terms, Where I could check bone order for the avatar.
Im starting the rigging and I If I remember wrong they needed to be in right order to work?

[crisp tendon]

It's pinned in this channel

[fickle cosmos]

Ofcourse! 😄 atleast i was in right channel! Thank you ❤️ !

Ah! Super! I remembered it right that I saw it somewhere here months ago! I will save this !

[gentle veldt]

okay i am not 100% sure but i think clearing the rolls just made everything so much worse

[crisp tendon]

how so

[gentle veldt]

now its fucking up my view point.

view point is either inside the chest or way above the head

even tho it is clearly supposed to be located right between the eyes

[crisp tendon]

Do you also have a custom idle ?

[gentle veldt]

nope

no custom locomotion, no custom idle. im not even using an FX layer on the test avatar

[crisp tendon]

And your viewpoint is moving ?

[gentle veldt]

well im trying the CATS plugin "fix model" and when i reimport the model, i have to redo the rigging cuz the leg bones are somehow defaulted to the bones in the dress. anyways i cant exactly remember what bone to put in for "foot". be it the ankle or the toe. tried both. but testing the avatar, the view point is screwed up

also, the knees are still broken too

[crisp tendon]

You didn't really have to use cats in this case

[gentle veldt]

im not even sure if "clear the rolls" even did anything to be perfectly honest

also, alt+r brings up my Radeon software manager

[crisp tendon]

Then use the blender search bar instead

[gentle veldt]

i did

in unity, which bone should i put onto the Right/Left Foot?

[crisp tendon]

ankle

[gentle veldt]

still broken

here's my mapping in Unity btw

[crisp tendon]

wdym by broken

what's the result ?

[gentle veldt]

view point is still inside the chest

[crisp tendon]

Did you press play to see where the viewpoint is in editor ?

[gentle veldt]

unity still has it inside the head where it should be

[crisp tendon]

What does the upper part of the avatar look like in blender ?

[gentle veldt]

from the front or side?

[crisp tendon]

either

[gentle veldt]

maybe i should move the chest/spine/hips back a little so its close to a straight line?

[crisp tendon]

hip bone needs to be above the legs, not sure why the chest bone is so massive though

there's also a few non symmetrical bones going on

so i could see some fuckiness happening

overall it should be fine, and not sure why the viewpoint would change tbh

[gentle veldt]

moving those bones didnt do a damn thing

im gonna try again from square 1...

[stuck parrot]

how do i find my weight tools in the latest blender

nvm found em

[gentle veldt]

FINALLY

although i think the knees might be a little too close together. theyre kinda crossing when i crouch

ya know what? ima deal with it. ive already spent way too much time, energy, and sanity on this and i do not wanna accidentally screw it up even more

[stuck parrot]

when I'm sculpting how do I turn off it snapping from one spot to another, i just wanna sculpt right where my mouse is

[sage patio]

@stuck parrot the magnet icon at the top I believe

[wind night]

i can't get my eye bones to agree with unity

the eyes end up turned down in unity

[sage patio]

that's fine, you can work with it using SDK3

[wind night]

i'd rather they just work normally

what it should look like:

what it actually looks like:

[shell agate]

I have a question

And I am kinda a newbie for unity

[wind night]

go on and ask it then

[shell agate]

I asked it somewhere else

In avatar 3 help

[crisp tendon]

Is it a rigging question ?

[shell agate]

I think

For some reason for a smol avatar the legs get bent like that

[crisp tendon]

Literally can't see anything in that screenshot

[shell agate]

Ah okay will send another

[wet tide]

hi, i need a little help

i have earrings and boots that i wanna add to my avy in blender

both have armatures

idk how to attach them though

my main problem is i have two seperate meshes under my boots hierachy, and when i go to attach them to my avy's armature only one of the two boots show up since its only one hierachy

the earrings show up fine though since theyre two seperate armatures

[shell agate]

Like this

[crisp tendon]

What does the armature look like in blender from side view /

[shell agate]

Gonna say I don't have blender

I used unity to edit it

[crisp tendon]

Can't edit bones in unity

[shell agate]

Ah ok

[shell agate]

I am downloading blender rn but sadly never used it before

[wet tide]

i'm not gonna worry abt adding earrings

i just wanna c if my model works for now

can someone help me though with attaching the boots?

i don't know which bone to attach them to

pls bot

do i attach it to the hips???????

the highlighted armature is my base's armature and the black armature is the boots' one

[shell agate]

This is the big one in blender but sadly I don't have the smol one in blender

[crisp tendon]

Make sure the legs are straight from the front and slightly bent from the side

looks correct from this side at least

[empty lake]

(talking for jude here. i was helping but refered to here because my knowledge is limited, the avatar's armature is like in the screenshot, and works fine with the full-size avatar. It breaks though when the avatar is scaled down in unity to be 3 inches.)

i assume the ik just fails at that point

[crisp tendon]

3 feet right ?

[empty lake]

3 inch

tiny

[shell agate]

3 inches

Yeah

[crisp tendon]

Yeah then it'll break

[shell agate]

Ah okay

[empty lake]

was afraid of that

[crisp tendon]

20cm is the smaller recommended height

[shell agate]

True

[empty lake]

sorry Jude 😕

[shell agate]

It's ok

As long as I don't look in a mirror I am fine

It actually mostly happens when I am sitting on the bed anyways and turn my body

And have vrchat on standing mode

[empty lake]

yea ik probably just spazzes out, bones getting too short and the like

[shell agate]

Yes

[shell agate]

Thank you

[shell agate]

Thank you

^w^

[wet tide]

does anyone know which bone i have to attach my boots' armature to?

this is the only thing stopping me from importing my avy into unity and seeing if it works in vrchat ;-;

[gray meadow]

If ur doing small avatars

The way u should rlly do it is make it normal sized in blender

N just make it Tiny in unity

Because making it tiny in blender causes problems like that

[gray meadow]

Foot Bone

[wet tide]

theres a left and right foot bone though and i cant attach them seperately so idk what to do hshdjdjskdn

i posted a screenshot before,,,, it shows all the bones my base has

[empty lake]

That's what we did tho.

[frozen jacinth]

For FBT is cutting out the hip to grion and replacing for legs common? I found two seperate avatars with nice tracker placements and both ended the torso at the hip, which I dont think is a coincidence.

[wind night]

i'm sorry what

[soft star]

guys.

problem that needs fix'n

this bone has the wrong default position.

how do i change its default position so it ain't bent?

the people over in help told me someone here could help.

[sage patio]

is it wrong in object mode or in pose mode?

[soft star]

pose mode.

[sage patio]

so then just clear the pose

[soft star]

thats the problem

[sage patio]

pose > reset > reset unkeyed

i believe

[soft star]

that is with clear'd pose

i think fiex it.

apprently interting a keyframe fixed it.

no idea why.

god why are all editors like maya and blender so confusing.

[sage patio]

because 3D modeling is hard

blender gets easier once you start to get the basic concepts

[soft star]

see its not the basic i have problems with, its just the spaghetti code you get with an 3d software.

either way as far as i can tell my problems are over for now.

[dusty stone]

I used CATS to fix my model - I get some height issues in-game tho.

I'm on a Rift S - no IK Fullbody.

Would altering the armatures and mesh by making the legs slightly longer fix the issue, or is there another way? My viewball is just behind my eyes and down on my model - no matter where I place it, I get floating issues.

If you need some images, I can send you some. My way to fix it usually is to hit 'Standing Play', get elevated by 5 centimetres (tip-toes), then hit seated and stop tip-toeing.

[dusty stone]

ping me if anyone has a resolution for this issue - whether it is rigging issue or not

[worthy pond]

Anyone have a good Viseme chart for all the visemes? I'm making some rn and was wondering if anyone uses one in specific

[vital mason]

https://developer.oculus.com/documentation/unity/audio-ovrlipsync-viseme-reference/

[wind night]

will bone constraints get imported into unity?

[sage patio]

not likely

[wind night]

damn
i found an avatar with four legs, and even in fullbody the back legs followed the front
how'd they do that then

[sage patio]

Unity constraints and/or FinalIK

[livid pond]

please help

can anyone do this for me? ill be grateful

i cant use blender, please dm me for more info

[wind night]

you can't use blender or you're just not familiar with how to use it?

[livid pond]

i cant, no one has teached me, i have attention problems, it gives me stress and i have trouble learning

im autodidactic

i had a lot of problems learning unity and i suck at it

i swear i tried but its so hard without any help

so i gave up

Dang no one will do that? I'll be so grateful..

[wind night]

i mean i could possibly do it, i'm not the most familiar with using a jaw as opposed to blendshapes though

[livid pond]

At least can you rig the mouth? I don't want my emperor to be constantly screaming in pain

[wind night]

lol

i can try, no guarantees

[livid pond]

Well thank you ;_;

Can I dm you? In 4 hours Ill give it to u

[wind night]

yeah

[dusty stone]

bumping

[unreal shoal]

Can anyone tell me how to fix this besides kung's two full body fix methods?

Because those make this happen

Move in edit mode and rotate in pose mode and apply as rest do not work

[sleek isle]

fix what

[unreal shoal]

the hip bone being wrong and making my hips rotate funky with fullbody...

Like this, but not as extreme... and kung's fixes dont' work
https://gyazo.com/39f43ea6c83438a52e33bd1b34b309ba

[sleek isle]

have you try to move the hip back to be more align with the leg ?

[proud wing]

sorry for asking but what is avatar rigging?

[sleek isle]

what make move the character

[proud wing]

oh

ok

[sleek isle]

skeleton

[proud wing]

by the way where do you add the shift fn animations (sorry for wrong channel but couldnt find)

[sleek isle]

depend. sdk2 or 3

[sage patio]

hitting shift + fn simply emulates the person doing a finger gesture

[proud wing]

ok

@sage patio is there a way to see who is the creator of the skin without having someone else wear it?

[sleek isle]

no

[proud wing]

ok

[unreal shoal]

I have. It breaks the model

[sleek isle]

it break in what way

[unreal shoal]

The hips end up an even worse angle

I move the hip bone, the pelvis of the avatar moves the opposite way

[dusty stone]

last bump - there's an issue tied onto that reply.

[crisp tendon]

What's your issue and can you post screenshots of it and your armature in blender ?

[sharp viper]

yoooo

so uh

how?

[sage patio]

that is a lie

[sharp viper]

hehe, I gathered as much 😉

if vrc does such a thing, I would love for it to be driven by any camera, with something like the way hitogata does it 🙂

[sage patio]

the Decagear headset suposedly coming soon has 6 cameras; 4 external for room and controller tracking, and 2 internal cameras; one for eye tracking and one for face tracking

[sharp viper]

though typically those systems work best with SoC trained models and global shutter

[sage patio]

the Decagear headset suposedly coming soon has 6 cameras; 4 external for room and controller tracking, and 2 internal cameras; one for eye tracking and one for face tracking

[kindred pollen]

also important to note is that the Vive facial tracker would likely need cheek, lip, and tongue bones to work, which I'd hazard a guess and say a majority of avatars don't have lol

[sage patio]

no, it's using 38 blendshapes

[kindred pollen]

could def do blendshapes too, though those won't follow the person's facial muscles properly

lmao timing

[sharp viper]

yep, decagear uses blendshapes for ease

[kindred pollen]

ah, nevermind then o:

[sharp viper]

Well, that's actually interesting

so if it's blendshapes

and they're named the same,

it could read them, but like, so far unaware of how vrc would know that it's done so.

[gleaming mesa]

obviously them saying blend shape means that they have some api where 38 values [0.0, 1.0] come out

each is supposed to map to some kind of face movement

the reason it's not bones is that you can make these blend shapes "conceptual"

as in "this value is the left side of the mouth going up"

[kindred pollen]

ah o:
also that sounds like it'd make my CPU scream lol

[gleaming mesa]

apart from the calculations that create those 38 values, not that much more than VRC already makes your cpu scream

[slate cedar]

How many cores does vrc take advantage of?

[kindred pollen]

VRChat itself is multithreaded, though Dynamic Bones (a third-party plugin for jigglebones) isn't

I don't know how many cores it uses specifically, though - would probably maybe take advantage of an 8 core processor, but probably not a 32 core processor lol

[elfin meadow]

What's the right way to weightpaint a character which has a combined body/neck/head? e.g.

Ideally want it to act as a single object and not get warped when bending over, not sure if this means I need a non-humanoid rig then.

[livid pond]

i need help with avatars. i use mixamo and i need some of my models with a jaw bone..please

[sage patio]

could just leave some bones not weight painted

[elfin meadow]

Yeah I've done that, but as the eyes are parented to the head, moving the head removes them from their sockets 🤣

[sage patio]

the big blob could probably be weighed to either the spine or chest

[elfin meadow]

Yup I've weighted it to the spine

[sage patio]

you could try parenting the eye bones to the spine too

[elfin meadow]

Tried that, can't import as humanoid in Unity if eye bones aren't parented to head.

So I guess I'm either going non-humanoid or deciding which parts of the blob are spine/chest/head.

[sage patio]

then have a duplicate set kek

have a set reserved for the humanoid rig

not actually doing anything

then the real eye bones parented to the spine

[elfin meadow]

That's an option - I forgot VRChat lets you pick which bones are the eyes separately to the humanoid setup...

[sage patio]

mhm

[elfin meadow]

Sweet, thanks!

[livid pond]

i dont have blender

[solid adder]

Weight paint to chest

[elfin meadow]

Get blender

[maiden bluff]

blenders free - get it

[elfin meadow]

Will give it a shot 👍

[solid adder]

If the legs arent necessarily connected you should be fine.

Also make sure not to use any shaders that create outlines or you may have trouble seeing

[elfin meadow]

Good to know, thanks!

[solid adder]

Reason for it is while playing your head gets scaled down locally for you to see meaning anything weight painted or child do the head will get scaled down on your end.

[livid pond]

please no blender

i have reasons to not use it

[solid adder]

You're sort of limited then.

[livid pond]

in fact i are. i have learning problems

[livid pond]

well no one is gonna help me? i dont want to make models for them being lifelong scared

[hollow vapor]

o

[solid adder]

Well you gotta realize people are here to help, but it takes time and you're asking for people to rig a model for you when a lot of us have our own projects and whatnot.

It sucks, but it's either figure out a way to learn it and overcome the fear or wait for someone to come along that can do more than teach.

[main token]

if someone is able can they possibly take a look at my model? every time put it to unity it cant find some bones and a lot of areas are red and ive renamed the bones multiple time accordingly

ive been at the damn rig for days and im just getting really frustrated and it si my first model.

[crisp tendon]

Can you post screenshots of its armature in blender here ?

[main token]

sure

[crisp tendon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/390924372782612480/804466714090930236/VRChat_avatr_Rig.png?width=400&height=282

This is what you should have

[main token]

if its not too much trouble could someone tpose the model for me?

[crisp tendon]

your model is t-posed

you just need to move the bones slightly so that they match the screenshot above more

[main token]

and unity cant find some bones too

[crisp tendon]

Did you assign your bones in the humanoid configuration ?

[main token]

yes

i just need someone to take a look at my model in blender, and ill gladly send the fbx file of my model

[livid pond]

cant. sorry

i spent a lot of effort on this

[crisp tendon]

Use Maya in that case

[hardy herald]

any help with a possibly borked rig my right leg wants to be lower then my left

but it seems to look fine in blender

it might be something small or idk if its something goofy with 3.0

[solid adder]

If it helps at all

[hardy herald]

not really tbh

[undone pulsar]

For custom leg IK, can we use fabrik, or is it exclusively doable through final?

[fervent hornet]

You can't just slap final ik on it, the usual steps are to have 2 rigs, one for vrc to use and one for FBBIK to use. Weight your mesh to the FBBIK rig and use your vrc rig's extremities as targets for the FBBIK

[undone pulsar]

moreso me asking in order to evaluate a 90$ purchase for only a few avatars

[solid adder]

I think the guy who made Final Ik wasn't supporting the script anymore.

[fervent hornet]

Final IK was just updated to 2.0 a couple months ago?

[fervent hornet]

IMO you should not buy Final IK if all you want to do is adjust humanoid IK, its quite difficult atm due to workarounds

[solid adder]

It's what I heard from people that use Final Ik, but how true it may be just take with a grain of salt.

[fervent hornet]

Most of what you hear about Final IK in VRC is horseshit, its always surrounded by negative rumors for some reason

[undone pulsar]

looking more along the lines of spiderleg

thing's rigged up, but putting IK on this'll be a lil tough

[fervent hornet]

I can DM you a link to a discord about that if you want

[undone pulsar]

aite

also, another question about more complex stuff, can you toggle constraints with gestures?

[fervent hornet]

Dont toggle the constraint entirely, set the weight to 0 to toggle it off

But yes in practice you can toggle them

[undone pulsar]

sweet
with this thing being a crab-ish character, i wanted an option to toggle legs to hands if you close your hand

[flint barn]

Is the hip bone centered and no rotations? I'm not the best at rigging but iirc that can cause a hip tilt.

[hardy herald]

i think it is

[flint barn]

Other axis, kinda looks like it might be a bit off center

[hardy herald]

nope didn't work

[languid ermine]

Looking for some help setting bones as stuff like wrists, hips, and all that can anyone help?

[fading verge]

Anyone mind helping me clean up an avatar? It's just like weight painting on the body and such. I'm not good at it, but it should be pretty simple.

[fading verge]

i stg

[sage patio]

why do you have the right eye bone in Jaw lol

[fading verge]

it was just like that and i dont know how to change it ngl

[quaint beacon]

When I import this model into unity the left arm becomes bent even though nothing wrong is happening in blender and even when I re import it brand new.

anyone know what to do?

[fading verge]

All I can think of is connecting bones in the arm

[crisp tendon]

Yeah looks like you're missing a twist bone weight paint merge

[fading verge]

Anyone know how to make a pose be the default position the model is in

The legs on my model is spread out kinda and I'm trying to fix it

[crisp tendon]

apply pose as rest pose with cats

[fading verge]

Tysm, I was applying rest pose with blender and not cats and it wasnt working but u fixed it

[fading verge]

can anyone teach me how to use blender ill pay you what you think is fair i just dont wanna bother anyone with asking how to rig stuff

[royal prism]

okay

but i'm not sure how i should rig it.

heck

i don't even KNOW how to rig.

[fading verge]

Dont you think it would be better watching a video explaining everything about blender

[sleek isle]

@hardy herald make the hip bone 🦴 half it's current size maybe

[fading verge]

@fading verge im trying but man i dont know what im doing

[paper frost]

Hello everyone!
I am trying to make my avatar FBT and I get "The angle between pelvis and thigh bones should be close to 180 degrees (this avatar's angle is 173,9)." message in the SDK's Control Pannel.
So I moved my hips as shown in the picture below and the message didn't change at all.
I think I'm understanding something wrong if someone could help me please 😝
Also when I click "select" it highlights "Left ankle" and "Right ankle"; not sure if it's helpful to understand what's happening but there it is

[crisp tendon]

the upper legs have a different angle as the hip, hence why the warning remained the same

[paper frost]

Ohhh!! Okay

So doing something like this should fix it?

[crisp tendon]

Hip bone should be straight, so you'd have to adjust the leg instead

[sleek isle]

Sometime the armature is assign in the hip. Causing that warning

[paper frost]

Yay I moved the leg bones so the head falls right under the hips and SDK doesn't give me the error anymore; thank you so much! 😁🎉

[kind ore]

@fading verge the best teacher is looking up tutorials and going trial by error, honestly

if theres something specific you want to start with, i could offer advice but thats it

[livid pond]

who can rig this for me? if anyone does i will give you access to edit the model files please i dont have blender and im not installing it. for reasons. please

[crisp tendon]

I doubt anyone here would do this for free, that looks like a bit of work

[gleaming mesa]

vrchat sdk complains that lower arm is not the first child of upper arm.
that's true, in unity. but in blender, the hierarchy is correct!

how do i change the bones (names?) in blender to make them appear in the order I desire? alphabetically?

i answered my question with my question itself, alphabetically is actually the deal

[crisp tendon]

It doesn't matter tbh, they'll still behave fine

Hierarchical order isn't relevant for that as long as they have the same parent akaik

[gleaming mesa]

ah, i just listened to the sdk because why not

[crisp tendon]

It's a good warning because some rig sometimes have twist bones but weight painting is either gone or doubled, so it's good to check

[gleaming mesa]

it does have twist bones, yeah

[crisp tendon]

Worth moving the arms around in unity to be sure

[gleaming mesa]

i did a cursory glance at them in weight paint and pose mode in blender and they seem absolutely fine

no odd deformations

thanks for the hints

i'm sorry to do that but while i have the attention of someone at vrchat, i have an issue with avatar v3 locomotion layers:

if i have a locomotion layer override, the avatar starts trying to duck and prone even in full body tracking. if i do not have an override, it does not do it

one of my avatars who overrides the locomotion layer i have uploaded twice now: FBT and Desktop/VR

even if i just use a cloned locomotion layer from the SDK as is, without modification it has that issue

[kind ore]

it may be a broad question, but what does weight painting really do? the resources ive searched up aren’t that clear

[gleaming mesa]

weight painting attaches vertices of a mesh to bones

[kind ore]

ohhh

ohh ohhhh

[gleaming mesa]

it tells the renderer how much of a bone movement is relating to any given piece of the mesh

[kind ore]

thats so useful lmao

[gleaming mesa]

i hope that explanation made sense to you

[kind ore]

thank you!

yea it did :3

ive just started using blender but its oddly addicting

[gleaming mesa]

it is damn addicting, i have to agree.

i've uh... went into a weird deep dive the last handful of days

[kind ore]

aha

[gleaming mesa]

i barely emerge from my room

[kind ore]

i slept at an ungodly hour doing blender models today lol

[gleaming mesa]

yep, that happens

[livid pond]

i fucking hate blender

HELP ME

i give up

[kind ore]

did those bones decide to do the funny

[valid relic]

having some issues with pose mode, just getting these stupid rings instead of actual posing

[valid relic]

could i get someone in screenshare to have a look at what i'm doing? would be mighty helpful

[gleaming mesa]

a single vertex doesnt seem to want to listen to my weight painting at all... what gives?
anyone have an idea how to check this?

also they jump like this because i moved the bone far away so all that isnt mapped is easy to see heh

[fading verge]

I just make the circle bigger and keep clicking

[livid pond]

No ones gonna help me?

Please

I stopped trying to use blender

[crisp tendon]

You can try to pay someone in this server to do it for you #community-servers-old message

[celest niche]

Looks complex

[wild sundial]

Hi guys. I'm working on fixing some rigging stuff on my avatar for full body tracking. Does my rig look good? If you find things I should do, please tell me.

I was thinking I should move the hip bone and the chest bone up a little bit. What do you guys think?

[sage patio]

should be fine I think

if anything, make the hip bone smaller

[wild sundial]

I did notice I shift down slightly ingame. How do I fix that?

I did hear I should shorten the chest bone, but I'll hold off on that for now.

[sleek isle]

If after calibration you get side hip tilt doing this will fix that https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/730948173379535022/747651062751559830/VRChat_1920x1080_2020-08-24_19-48-44.179.png?width=960&height=540

https://gyazo.com/bf25831f8c1a1794cef7d05f31f8c780

For the shift down after calibration. It can be multiple thing.

-The spine is not align on the X=0

-The spine is to low near the leg.

-You have 4 bones 🦴 for the spine and you have assign the upper chest.

If you get this error. You have the armature ☠️ assign as the hip instead of the actual hip bone 🦴

https://gyazo.com/6e40d117c938ef4b13f06b8454f7de43

Or your leg are to much bend forward. Move the upper leg back and the knee forward. Apply as Rest Pose Then ctrl+R in edit mode with all the bone selected en orange to reset the roll to 0

https://i.gyazo.com/a5ae5fa9b5f97864965f2d4577bcf1fd.gif

[sleek isle]

In FBT, your shoulder rotate really low. Here what you can do. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/708457052577464430/821162803091603466/unknown.png

-Make you shoulder more up to be align with the entire arm. https://i.gyazo.com/1951771c2690a2bc0c276d9c6b10d9af.gif Apply as Rest Pose Then ctrl+R in edit mode with all the bone selected en orange to reset the roll to 0

-Make the shoulder bone 🦴 smaller.

-Use the different standing animation. Look how the shoulder are angle differently.

Your knee criss cross in 3PT when crouching

-Rotate your legs to be strait in pose mode. Apply as Rest Pose. Then move the knee joint in edit mode to be slightly on the outside. Then ctrl+R in edit mode with all the bone selected in orange to reset the roll to 0

https://i.gyazo.com/df5afc79f0027ad6b1c6a931cdabb7d8.gif

[wanton lake]

Any idea how to find why parts of the outfit are stuck to space?

[wanton lake]

Weight painting showing nothing.

Any ideas how to find the vertex it's attached to if it's not showing as painted to anything?

[sleek isle]

https://gyazo.com/d79fced84d21f0647f2970c0ad35af93

[wanton lake]

I'll try, but that's a lot going on all at once ;-;

[sleek isle]

https://gyazo.com/820169cb7a071ca06df86e41a2464a21

[wanton lake]

Ah-ha. You are a god. Thank you. Much easier than doing it paint-by-number.

[wild sundial]

Someone has to pin all of this stuff

[wild sundial]

sorry to ping you, but why is making the hip bone smaller beneficial?

[sage patio]

because of the way the IK works mainly

[wild sundial]

is it to better align the hip tracker with the hip bone?

oh

@sage patio I resized the hips. Is this good?

[sage patio]

probably fine yea

[wild sundial]

should I scale the chest bone a little bit smaller or leave it the way it is?

[sage patio]

could maybe move the joint between spine and chest up a tiny bit

[wild sundial]

Is here good?

@sage patio

[sage patio]

yea that's probably fine

[wild sundial]

Ok cool.

Thanks

[fading verge]

When i uploaded my avatar hes stuck in tpose, any idea why?

[sage patio]

you forgot to set your rig type to Humanoid

[fading verge]

But it says humanoid before I press configure? Am I missing an extra step?

[sage patio]

make sure that you configured the right model

and also

make sure that there is no controller in the Animator component of your avatar

[fading verge]

so i started fresh and went to start rigging but it gives me these errors in the console

[wanton lake]

Weight paint tool not allowing me to paint, or remove anything. Have the mesh selected, but no changes.

Same for all vertex groups.

[wanton lake]

Same on Blender 2.9 as 2.92

[wanton lake]

Yeah... It won't allow me to paint... I dunno what to do..

[coarse delta]

click A

seems like you have selection mode on

[wanton lake]

;-; omg, I somehow went to another object and it fixed itself, that's what it was? I was stuck there for an hour and a half :NotLikeThis:

[coarse delta]

here I'll show you ^^ so you dont do it again

[wanton lake]

What is selection mode, and how do I uninstall?

[wanton lake]

Mhm, mhm.

[coarse delta]

make sure these are not highlighted

[wanton lake]

BOTH of them, okay, okay.

I was using it to find what vertex was being pulled around earlier.

[coarse delta]

yep clicking again will unselect it ye

[sage patio]

cute nanachi :p

[wanton lake]

Nyaa~ Agreed

[coarse delta]

thankies ^^ I'm working on this to release

[wanton lake]

Now I learned about Selection Mode! Level Up!

[coarse delta]

yay! once you get used to using it, it can reaaally help to weight difficult parts

[wanton lake]

Yeah, like this! (Was much easier, and no mistakes to be had):

EZ mode. Lol

[coarse delta]

fight off those pesky stray polys >:D

[wanton lake]

.< There's always SO many of them! An endless battle!

[coarse delta]

we've all been through it 😢

[wanton lake]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-smash-girl-fight-gif-15340791

Not giving up here.

[nocturne patio]

I don't know why but a part of the body isn't following even tho it's fully weigthpainted, any idea why anybody ?

[hot plaza]

I cant really see from the 2nd image but it seems like its partially moving

So my guess is that another bone has some weight on there

[crisp tendon]

Yep, that's the cause

[hot plaza]

@nocturne patio

[nocturne patio]

okay ! thx !

[hot plaza]

[rose wagon]

do dummy bones still have to have weight to them to work in the humanoid rig?
or can i just have finger bones exist with no weight and unity will accept it

[sleek isle]

yes

[rose wagon]

WHICH

[still fossil]

They don't need weight

[dull haven]

I would love to start making models and rigging them but last time i tried i got hella confused vv quickly. any tips?

[sage patio]

making actual model / sculpting it comes first, so maybe focus on that

don't forget tutorials exist

[fading verge]

Best tutorials are on YouTube

[wild sundial]

idk if your question has been answered, but have you worked on animations with that avatar?

[fading verge]

No, why?

[wild sundial]

When you work with animations on your avatar, and not a duplicate, your avatar's animation stuff is essentially broken. And it will get stuck in a t pose. @fading verge

[livid pond]

I made this but if no one helps me I'll never be able to use it because mixamo fucks it

And yes I'm begging using my art

Please help me I want to use it soo bad... It took me a lot of effort..

[sage patio]

alright, send me the model

[willow cobalt]

So i think i found out the problem on my models rig

[wild sundial]

this makes my brain hurt

[willow cobalt]

Apparently the guy i bought the model from only uses rigify

And doesnt even know how to rog properly

And i dont either

[wild sundial]

I'm still learning some rigging and blender stuff, but I can tell that rig is really strange

[willow cobalt]

Should i try to fix it myself or find someone to make a new rig?

[wild sundial]

you best contact Sacred in the server for help

[willow cobalt]

Cuz i really dont want this to end up being a waste of money

[sage patio]

do a double take on my name

[wild sundial]

OH

lmao

I thought you were "scared" for all this time

[sage patio]

do I gotta space it out like "S a c r e d" like I did in game? xD

[wild sundial]

Now i shall refer to you as Sacred

XD sorry

[willow cobalt]

So

Sacred

[sage patio]

na dw literally everyone fucks it up

hello

[willow cobalt]

You good at rigging i assume?

[sage patio]

I'm alright ye

good at problem solving

[wild sundial]

check out the rig photo posted a bit above, it's... interesting

[sage patio]

ye I saw a few days ago

if you wanna send me the .blend and call me I can take a look

[willow cobalt]

Alright

[livid pond]

Thanks ;_;

In a moments when I come home

[viral kraken]

I keep gettin this error whilst trynna mixamo my guy, i added invisible cubes to where the elbow and knees should be. i can understand if the error is because the knees are weird. If so how can i get around this cause i dont want any legs

[crisp tendon]

put the knees below the hips below the model ?

[viral kraken]

just tried that right now, it didnt work

let me try a bit closer

[crisp tendon]

or you know, below

[viral kraken]

wouldnt that mess with the height of the avatar?

[robust crescent]

make fake legs, it will likely derp out if its not below the groin, then just remove em after in blender

[viral kraken]

so add the knee maker properly, and then edit the weights in blender?

oh shit im stupid, why didnt i just do that in the first place

my bad, ill try that rn. thanks!

[rotund perch]

Hi I'm new to rigging and managed to import a model to blender, rename bones, import to unity and upload to vrchat

my problem though is the lower legs are tangled

so I found the muscle part and straighten it out but after I hit apply and checked back it was back to tangled mode

[long monolith]

Hey y'all, anyone know if you can export bone constraints (like a "track to" etc) to Unity?

@rotund perch try deleting your toes and removing any animation controller from your descriptor. Looks like it's stuck in the animation pose.

If that doesn't work, maybe double check your weights and rig mapping

[rotund perch]

I did no "weights" as I'm new and only just imported and deleted addon bones and rename bones

I added the footend part because it was giving me the missing ankle bone error in blender when fixing model

Could it be the stuff on the Lower body being checked on the right side? (I don't use trackers)

I'll try deleting the toes bone/ I don't see any controller

[rotund perch]

K so update pretty sure is no or bad weight paint and going learn weight painting to fix it

[fading verge]

i keep having this error with any avatar i make, any idea?

[sage patio]

go to the configuration window for the rig of your model

find your model in the Project window, click on it, then go to the Inspector window, go under "Rig" and click Configure

[crisp tendon]

remove the eye from the jaw field

and that's it

[fading verge]

Does everything else look good?

i have these

[crisp tendon]

I don't think it correctly baked then

and that's why it looks broken

[fading verge]

Im gonna be honest. I dont know what that means.

Im really new to this. like, two days new.

[crisp tendon]

This tiny menu

just click where it says leftEye next to jaw

and hit delete on your keyboard

or set it to none

[sage patio]

^

also, it says "Character is not in T pose"

[fading verge]

Alright i did that but it still shows. Is this normal?

[sage patio]

which you can fix by clicking this

then Reset

then Enforce T pose

[fading verge]

okay

[sage patio]

and like ruuub said, click on "Left eye" in the Jaw slot and hit the delete key on your keyboard

it should get rid of it

[fading verge]

Okay, ive done everything.

[sage patio]

if not, click the small circle to the right of of the slot, and select "None"

alright, now click "Apply" then "Done"

[fading verge]

Awesome, think the only problem now is i didnt weight paint for some reason

[frank fog]

I have a Katwalk C VR tredmill. Is there a simple way to disable walk animations for avatars so I can make movement look more clean with full body tracking?

If this is the right tag for this question, that is

[sage patio]

yes, uncheck the "Force locomotion animations for 6 point tracking" in the avatar descriptor

[frank fog]

That simple eh lol. Thank ya!

[rugged schooner]

Hmm does anyone know why my neck stretches in vrc?

[sleek isle]

Are you a giraffe 🦒

[dusty stone]

Got an interesting challenge for you lot, since I'm slightly stumped on it.

I'm making a thing here - it's an Abnormality from a game called "Lobotomy Corporation", going under the name WhiteNight.

It has no torso - it's basically a floating fetus with 5 pairs of wings - four for floating, one for floating or reaching out to people.

The problem is, I want the wings to have Dynamic Bones to give them that feathery 'lighter than air' look.

How should I rig this?

haven't quite completed it entirely - still needs that 'Crown of Thorns' halo and the neckpiece, but that's not important right now.

[fervent hornet]

If the only problem is rigging the wings, you should rig them like how bird wings work in real life. Then have a couple children covering the feather area for the dynamic bones to have an effect

[dusty stone]

I see - those child bones might need to be angled slightly outwards rather than inwards.

But yeah, I get you.

The character itself doesn't have a lower torso - if I have no armatures for that, I assume VRChat will just sink him into the floor.

So I guess i should develop armatures for the bones and stuff, even if they no mesh for them.

Because those wings moves on the sides of him (since they are also his arms), I may not be able to do that 'winged' method?

I'm talking about the wings just under and behind his eyes btw.

One other thing - which one should I use for rigging?

For making an armature, that is.

Not sure if there's some benefit in making it an MMD-Model Armature, other than being able to use 'fix stuff' as well as its other features in CATS.

[dusty stone]

i know i'm asking and saying a lot, but I have them split up into collections, as it made it easier to actually work on this.

Should parent all the wings to the body now, or can I make an armature whilst maintaining this hierarchy structure?

[fervent hornet]

I've never used collections so I don't know specifics, however your end result should only be 1 mesh. If you want the model to follow where you're looking and what not it you'll need a humanoid armature. Probably just connect the little guy to your head bone of your humanoid.

[dusty stone]

So what you're saying

Is use an existing humanoid armature.

and work off that?

[fervent hornet]

That would be a smart idea, so that you dont need to make one from scratch

[dusty stone]

👍

I have my own VRC Model that I can snag for that.

What about the wings, though - I mean, I usually use CATS to fix models.

The way I've been connecting meshes right now is using Boolean Union too.

[fervent hornet]

Don't use automatic CATS techniques for models like this, you should create bones for the wings, weight them, then join everything together

[dusty stone]

Gotcha

I can still use Automatic Weight Paints, right?

Since I can always refine them myself.

[fervent hornet]

Yeah thats a method you can go for 👍

[dusty stone]

And what about an armature that I fixed with CATS?

Can I repurpose that?

[fervent hornet]

Yeah, I'm just saying that "fixing" a nonhumanoid like what you are working on will probably break something

[dusty stone]

Ah okay

removed all the hair bones.

I can add bones for his tail, right?

Cause I want that to have subtle movements.

[fervent hornet]

You can add bones for anything really

[dusty stone]

Yeah, sorry if my questioning seems nervous - I just wanna make sure what I can do and that it works.

Well, if it all needs to be one mesh...

time to do a lot of Boolean Union.

[sage patio]

...or just do CTRL + J

unless boolean union also removes the intersecting geometry, in which case that might be better

never used it

[dusty stone]

it uh

it does

okay nevermind it isn't perfect

I'll do CTRL-J for the wings.

[dusty stone]

I hope this works...

Can't find a way to mirror my bones for the other wing...

[dusty stone]

Would something like this work?

Also, learned of 'Symmetrise'

and thusly named the bones accordingly

[ornate cairn]

dk if you gonna need that many bones

remember that amount of bones need to be optimized too

[dusty stone]

i haven't done armatures before

so it's a bit difficult

Like this then?

[rose wagon]

I'd say you need one more bone at the upper part of the wing but idk, I don't have much experience with deciding where bones go

[dusty stone]

yeah, i know

That wasn't really complete.

[dusty stone]

i swear i'm major neanderthal brain right now

I don't know if any of this stuff is good.

[stuck parrot]

so for some reason in game my knees go inward when i bend down 😓 does anybody know what could be causing it?

[stuck parrot]

nvm fixed it

[tulip root]

No no no my dearest

Like this

Notice this

[dusty stone]

bit late to the show.

[tulip root]

And then weightpaint each bone to make the wing move normally

[dusty stone]

I assumed, after so much time, people just wanted me to attempt it as-is and not ask more questions.

So I'm doing the painful process of weight-painting.

[tulip root]

My apologies that I wasnt here in time. You need to weightpaint either way. Just do it the way I made it otherwise youre going to have problems.

[dusty stone]

I used this technique. We're way past that stage now, unfortunately.

I've been spending the last hours weight-painting the hell out of this thing.

[tulip root]

Ah well I wish you luck ❤️

Im certain that the broodmother wont lead you to the wrong direction

[dusty stone]

?

[tulip root]

@fervent hornet = Broodmother. Dont worry about it X3

[dusty stone]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fervent hornet]

Yeah thats just how I did wings in the past, its a low bone solution, obviously the more bones you have the more detail you can get, if weight painting is difficult, make sure you are weight painting through meshes and are using gradients on the regular

[dusty stone]

It's more that the automatic weight-painting both helped and hindered.

Also some vertices just don't want to be weight-painted unless hit at just the right angle.

which is fucking pissing me off very quickly due to the frequency

[fervent hornet]

Yeah I eventually stopped using auto weighting because I felt like I spent the same amount of time fixing than I would have just doing it from scratch, really depends on how water tight the model is

Painting vertices should be easier if you have "Limit selection to visible" turned off

[dusty stone]

I didn't even know that was an option.

[fervent hornet]

What blender version are you using?

[dusty stone]

2.9

[fervent hornet]

I cant guide you specifically then, in blender 2.79 the symbol looks like this:

[dusty stone]

well it doesn't matter

cuz i'm gonna have to start this again.

I forgot to turn Auto-Normalise on.

This seems to have not matted - weightpainting with empty weights apparently applies its own weight paints?

Or maybe I hit envelope by accident, but it seems to have a done a far better job.

@fervent hornet What is the option called?

If I can get a name, I can find it.

And I seriously need it because these vertices I've attacked at every angle

and it hasn't worked

finished performing microsurgery on that wing now

[fervent hornet]

May be called xray or something? Probably need to look up a 2.79 v 2.9 guide or something but I know they changed weightpainting a lot

[dusty stone]

I'm too tired for this shit. I'm gonna go to bed - because of how they wings are, they're exceptionally difficult to weight paint and rig.

this is what i mean

[fervent hornet]

Yeah it did look like a mess of polygons

[dusty stone]

Isn't that just all wings?

Every single one I found is just like that.

[fervent hornet]

Its more common with wings because its tempting to do all the feathers but thats a lot of detail. More detail you have the harder it is to get it to deform nicely

[dusty stone]

I need to find a better way of deforming vertices that simply don't want to deform unless hit at the right angle.

That's my main gripe - I can deal with the chore of the work.

But it's just those vertices that don't want to deform.

The mathematical bastards.

You know what also would be nice?

Being able to just select the vertices / faces, and being able to apply a weight paint all at the same time, instead of this 'brushing' and cursor crap.

[fervent hornet]

You can do that via vertex groups

[dusty stone]

I can just select the vertices that are being sticklers and just weight that way.

i'll look into it another time

[fading verge]

ok, i'm actually stumped, how THE actual hell do i force the neck bone to be connected to the face and head bone so they move like all others avatars heads would? it's acting like it's not connected to what it SHOULD be connected to and i don't know how to fix that.

[sage patio]

that is called Weight painting my friend

[abstract shore]

Is the bone parented correctly? Or are you trying to get it to actually line like is should between the chest and head bone?

[fading verge]

Running into the good old hip tilted to the side issue in FBT

i'm not sure what's up with this model, weight painting no matter how red the paint is not working at all so i'm going to assume now it came not parented correctly...

Can't tell how to fix this hip side tilt issue, all the fixes given don't seem to wanna work and I would rather not use "rig hacks"

[sage patio]

yea could def be a parenting issue, look at where the eye bones are

[fading verge]

As per usual, it fixed itself

man, i have not until tonight have dealt with such a pain in the butt model, nothing seems to work even parented right and weight painted

bleh! i usually do not have this much trouble with any model, no matter where it's from >_<;

[fading verge]

just unity problems™️ , was having issues with hips not working just right, in the end I deleted the .fbx, waited for Unity to figure out it was deleted, and then put a new one, and all those fixes finally worked out 😂

Even though I usually do that anyway, but for some reason on the last try it worked

[crisp tendon]

https://youtu.be/2sfTEBAl8sA

Did you tilt your tracker the other way ?

I assume you cleared bone rolls every time ?

In blender, edit mode, select all your bones and do alt + R

[crisp tendon]

I'm not sure how those creators make those models and which technique they use to fix those in Unity, so any attempt from us would be blind faith

[livid pond]

who can rig my sculptris model for me? im not using blender, please

[kindred pollen]

As user-unfriendly as Blender might seem, I'd highly recommend taking the time to learn it - plugins like CATS Blender plugin can def help automate a lot of other stuff too c:

If you want to pay someone to rig it though, I'd recommend looking at #community-servers-old, VRCTraders, or https://ask.vrchat.com/c/commissions/40 for a commission

[fading verge]

does anyone know what causes an avatar to not lift it's arm up when grabbing objects in desktop mode? this bothered me sometimes back in 2018 even, and i never did figure out the issue... i used to just manually adjust my player height value in the settings, but this was removed for desktop users, so that doesn't work anymore.

[cyan adder]

does anyone have the diagram showing how long your bones should be for arms and legs