avatar-rigging

[runic lance]

i tried rotating the bones before adding eye tracking

it didn't help

im not sure what else to do

@crisp tendon ?

[crisp tendon]

pointing straight up and bone rolls cleared

[runic lance]

bone rolls cleared?

ah, i see

yeah they're facing straight up and i cleared the bone rolls

neither changed a thing, though im not sure how many degrees i should put when i clear them?

[crisp tendon]

it should automatically be 0

also what the fuck is going on with the rest of your armature

[runic lance]

that's kinda just how he is

his knees are backwards

that's the point

this rig is kinda fucked all over, but it works pretty well aside from the eyes

[astral warren]

Your hip bone is upside down as well that should not be the case. It will break for fullbody users.

Select hip bone in edit mode and run the command “switch direction”

Or just rotate it

[runic lance]

im not entirely sure if this should work with full body tbh

again

his knees are backwards

i mean if there's a way i could just break the IK and make his knees work backwards im all ears

[astral warren]

Backwards knees work in fullbody just fine

It’s Feet tracking, not knee tracking

The upside down hip though means his torso will flip upside down in fullbody

[vapid cypress]

any idea what would cause the legs to spread like this when kneeling?

[astral warren]

VRChat will look at which way the knees are slightly bent and use that as the direction they should continue to bend

So most likely your neutral stance has your knees bowed slightly outward

[vapid cypress]

oh, thats kinda silly. thanks!

[astral warren]

They don’t assume anything. The dude above has intentional backwards knees lol

[runic lance]

it's brilliant

i just used fix model to flip the hips back

no luck on the eyes though

oh wait

nvm

eyes work fine now

thanks!

now i just gotta slowly fix everything else wrong with this monstrosity

[turbid spear]

rotate bones in pose mode then apply pose as rest pose in cats

so your legs are pointing straight down

and are bent forward a bit at the knees from the side view

[stable coral]

I have a blender noob question, Ik how to do it in maya but not in blender x_x so Im making this model from scratch for a commish and hes this octopus guy and basically his shell is automatically skinweighted with one of his tails andddd its not a pretty sight. im wondering how to get rid of the red on different parts when skinweighting .-.

right now I move the leg up and since the shell is like completely attached to the tail it looks like this x_x

[crisp tendon]

Select the vertices in edit mode, select the vertex group in the list on the right, set to 100 and remove

[stable coral]

oooo ty!!

[stable coral]

lol tfw you think u fixed the rig but u just made it worse

[stable coral]

thinking about using those automatic rig for the face and torso at least? im not sure how the auto vrchat rigging softwares work but he has like 8 tails/legs so im scared of how it will handle that lol

[crisp tendon]

vrchat doesn't have any auto rigging

[hushed moth]

you need shape keys to have the mouth of an avatar open and close, right?

[teal agate]

I’m trying to remove an avatars toe bones in unity but I have no clue how. Should I be using unity to do this?

[mild stratus]

Shapekeys aren't required for mouth movement, but are recommended as it looks for natural and has proper lip-sync. You can use a jaw bone, or something else that I forgot the name of.

[amber kestrel]

No. If you have the CATS plugin for blender, select those bones and use the Merge to Parent tool in it. Super easy

[amber kestrel]

You can also animate directly using the Viseme parameter

[teal agate]

Thanks dude! 🙂

[hearty thunder]

If this has been answered already, I apologise, there's no efficient way to search anything though Discord.
Been having a issue/bug where any time I'm in full body (and only full body), the torso on my skeleton is skewed to the side, my viewpoint is locked off centre from where it should be, and my controllers (more so the right controller than the left, but both exhibit this) aren't attached to the skeleton's properly, causing held objects to not be held by the hands properly.
With 3 or 4 point tracking, everything works exactly as it should. No off centring problems what so ever. But, 6 point and everything breaks.
Done just about everything I could think to fix it, made sure skeletons were centred, removed objects that were off centre so only the main mesh and a secondary that's centred to the model remain, double and triple checked bone lengths to make sure everything was mirrored properly, but this still happens.

[half shadow]

You probably also should share how your armature rig looks like in blender so that at least people have an easier time guessing what could be the issue, just in case

[hearty thunder]

There's a thought.

The skeleton / basically all of the model wasn't created in Blender, it's just being used as a intermediary to get into VRChat as the software I use doesn't support all required FBX features. As a side note I've been having issues with getting basically all rigs into VRChat one way or the other, mostly as the "hip rotated to the side" issue I chalked up as VRChat being broken rather than anything on my end, this is the only time problems have been unacceptable.

[half shadow]

how does it end up looking inside "rig configuration" inside Unity though is a question

[hearty thunder]

Perfectly fine, everything's straight as it should be, no problems whatsoever. It's literally only when using full body tracking there's any issues.

[kindred pollen]

Height of the hip/chest bones could be important to see though o:

[hearty thunder]

(View of the humanoid avatar view in Unity)

Some bones were skipped because Unity/VRChat doesn't like doing digitigrade properly, but this has never been a issue with any other avatars I've done the exact same with.

(Edit: Now with added front/side)

[half shadow]

Honestly i have never seen someone use rigs like this myself - so i can't be much of a help here, hopefully someone else knows how those work and can help figure it out

[kindred pollen]

Only thing I could maybe think of is making sure that all the bones through hip up to chest are completely vertical? i'unno o:

[hearty thunder]

That was among the first things I tried, along with straightening the neck up as well. Hence why the neck bones start to poke outside of the geometry.

[kindred pollen]

Are your IRL trackers close enough to the model's hips maybe?

completely spitballing lol, sorry

[half shadow]

yeah honestly if there is anything to point out is that those bones up to the head should never be too straight, they should be a little bent from what i know in case with humanoid models but i have no idea how to do one in this case

[hearty thunder]

In this screenshot of calibrating with 4 point tracking you can see the hip tracker ball poke through the side a little. Would have to double check with 6 point tracking to see if it's exactly the same, but I don't recall the hip bone being massively off.
And I could try moving the bones off a little and seeing if that helps. In the past all that's amounted to is the skeleton screwing with how the torso looks as it straightens the bones up itself when they were supposed to be bent forwards/back in a certain way.

[kindred pollen]

I guess yeah, you could try deliberately moving the hips to the left/right a bit, and seeing if that makes the problem better or worse?

might have to have a purposefully wonky hip lol

[hearty thunder]

If that's the 'solution' then that's VRChat being broken. I'll try curving the spine a little forward and seeing if that changes anything.

[amber kestrel]

Shitty workarounds based on VRC being broken, a tale as old as time. What is the side angle view of specifically the leg bones? According to someone a couple days ago in here, that plays a role, although I haven't tried anything with that info yet

[hearty thunder]

It's the most obvious in #avatar-rigging message, but in short, if having bones slightly bent is a requirement, then there's absolutely no problems here.

[kindred pollen]

I'unno, I don't know much about FBT unfortunately

You could try asking in #full-body-tracking, though be careful of rule 15

[hearty thunder]

Just tried it with a slight curve in the spine, no dice.

[turbid spear]

either should work i think

but if not then .R and .L should

[amber kestrel]

According to the dude that messaged here not long ago, disconnect the toe bone and make the foot bone horizontal

[hearty thunder]

The problem turned out to be the hip bone being at the same height as the leg bones. Still need to move it a little more away than I did as its still doing it a little. but otherwise I figured it out.
Thanks guys.

Also, while I'm not going to say at all this wasn't my fault, it completely was, it might have been helpful on the VRChat docs about full body rigging why exactly you shouldn't have the hips at the same height as the legs, and what happens when you don't do it right.

[winter matrix]

Got a full-body question. I've managed to, surprisingly, get the SDK to take a rebuilt armature on my toy dinosaur avatar as acceptable for full-body tracking but it's not doing it consistently. One of my testees had it working fine, but others have had it collapse into a broken plushie mess. Anyone got any suggestions or pointers for making it more consistent?

(Tweaking the hip higher/lower, raising/lowering the legs, that kind of thing)

And for general reference this is what the little guy looks like with his fur on

[kindred pollen]

@winter matrix Try making the arm/wing bones more horizontal, and try moving the hip a little lower? o:

[winter matrix]

Worth a shot at least. The wings aren't really an issue, as the hierarchy for them is Chest -> Wing Base (center of the back) ->Wings, and the arms are just the normal hierarchy.

[kindred pollen]

ah, sorry - didn't initially see what the arm bones were lol

Also, the leg bones seem kinda far apart for FBT, though I'm not sure how much you can tweak that

[winter matrix]

Here's a better angle for you. And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the leg width is a factor. Like I said, even I'm surprised this worked for someone.

The leg width shouldn't require too much of an adjustment, I think at least, because this works perfectly.

[kindred pollen]

ah, kk!
If moving the leg bones any closer isn't an option, you could make a FBT-dedicated variant of the avatar, with the leg bones moved more in line with a traditional humanoid's

not a very tempting option lol but it's the only one I can think of rn
also, interesting o:

[winter matrix]

I know, I'm surprised as anyone I got that teddy bear to take a full-body-compatible armature.

Admittedly now slightly off-topic (or at least adjacent to it), If you want to see just how flexible FBT rigging can apparently be, my plush hedgehog avatar works too with this armature.

[kindred pollen]

interesting lmao

I don't really have any experience with FBT stuff lol, but the leg/hip distance stuff might be the issue

[glacial vale]

So I'm having this issue with an avatar I just put together. When in tpose in calibration everything is fine, viewpoint is right and can line up great. But as soon as I calibrate, this happens. VV

I tried adjusting the length of the chest bone and hip bone but it didn't seem to help the problem at all.

Here's pictures it in blender

If anyone has any idea, I would greatly appreciate the help, Just @ me 😄

[turbid spear]

move the knee balls forward a little bit from side view

[glacial vale]

I'll try that now, thank you

Nope, Not a knee issue sadly

[turbid spear]

You can try matching this armature

[glacial vale]

After a lot of messing around with the armature, Chest bone was too long, Issue now fixed. 😄

Had to make it pretty short for it to work

[ancient trellis]

Anyone know why my eyes randomly move and are like.. "outside of my head"??

can see my eye floating to the left side of where it should be

[opal bay]

Maybe is is a batter place to ask im dealing with this shit for 2 days already

for context this is what the bone structure looks like in blender

[ancient trellis]

go to the model import settings and manually assign them

[astral warren]

Unity will do it’s best to guess the humanoid bone bindings but it’s rarely perfectly correct. Sometimes it just leaves some blank when it can’t use fuzzy logic to figure it out

[opal bay]

True but the weird thing is that if i go into the rig section then everything is mapped and everything is green so it shouldn’t give that error message

[astral warren]

Being mapped and green doesn’t mean it’s correct. Unity is perfectly happy without a chest bone for example but vrchat won’t be

[surreal orbit]

when animating emotes, do I have to name then like 'emote_1' 'emote_2' etc in blender in order for the unity plugin to recognize and 'assign' them, or is there some other process to that?

[viral stag]

why do my legs keep bending inwards when I crouch, but when I'm in the menu's they straighten up like how they should look??? My bones are completely straight in Blender, aside from the slight knee bend

This happens to all the avatars I'm uploading so far

like, what do I need to change

[crisp tendon]

@viral stag Are you using male or female animations in the SDK ?

[viral stag]

where do I check this?

it used to be in a drop-down menu in the descriptor

[crisp tendon]

yeah should still be there if sdk2

[viral stag]

am I blind...

[violet turtle]

problem solved by reconfigureing the rig.

[viral stag]

I'm using 3.0

[violet turtle]

I had this issue too. I fixxed it by oh so slightly sticking my legs out, like the slight bend out, but do the slight bend to the side.

that way the rigs encouraged to bend that way

sdk3 is like that to start.

I noticed.

[hot plaza]

Im assuming this is the right place to ask, what are some base values i should put on the dynamic bone of my hair? Just wanna have something i can start with

[turbid spear]

depends on your hair length

and on if you have a root

[hot plaza]

I just added Hair bones myself, which are parented to the head bone

Id just look for any parameter suggestion since most my trial and errors look off

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[keen kernel]

I clicked the link am I virus?

[hot plaza]

Its an IP grabber

[keen kernel]

Why would he want people’s ip

[mild stratus]

doxxing or ddos, or something else random.

[keen kernel]

RIP

[fading verge]

Adjust the range of the eye tracking with CATS in blender.

[vague spear]

I posted here previously about not being able to touch the front of my avatar when in-game. When my real hands were touching my real chest, my avatar hands appeared to be 6" in front of my avatar body. That's where they would stop - I could not make the avatar hands touch the front of its body (face, chest, belly). As if the colliders in the hands were hitting an invisible force field. @turbid spear kindly steered me off the wrong path so I went to a process of trial & error.

I've fixed this. Originally I had set up my view point on the bridge of the nose, following tutorial instructions, with the little grey sphere half in the nose, half out. But by moving it backwards 6" (moving it into the head), the "invisible force field" has moved to the front surface of my avatar's body. Everything seems to work fine now and my vision seems unaffected.

I hope this helps someone else. Also if anyone knows why this happened, feel free to contribute! Nowhere have I seen a suggestion to put your viewpoint, for a humanoid avatar, well inside your head.

[ancient trellis]

https://i.gyazo.com/defb67870239eeb3f06eaa0d9343a433.png

Eye tracking works fine in blender, works fine if I manually move them in unity but they dont move in game?

[kindred pollen]

The looking up, own, left and right fields aren't set - I'd presume you have to set those to be the maximum values of how far you want your eye bones to move

looking up would be fully up, down fully down, etc

[ancient trellis]

Why do these have to be set now?

they didnt have to be set in 2.0 it was automatic from cats..

[kindred pollen]

I don't know lol, but try setting those values and seeing if it helps o:

[still fossil]

To have more customization for different rigs

[ancient trellis]

Well I set everything but its kinda a pain to do this every time

is there a way to make it so when I import my model i dont have to set jaw to none every time?

[gray knoll]

is this fixable in unity or i have to go back to blender?

[sage patio]

click on the FBX, go to Rig, make sure it's set to humanoid, then click configure. then, at the bottom, go to the Pose menu, click Reset pose, and then click Enforce T pose. click done, click apply, and it might be fixed

[gray knoll]

This is the enforced T pose 😂

[sage patio]

then drag another copy of the FBX into the scene

if you have anything you want to copy over, use Pumpkin's avatar tools

[gray knoll]

I kind of suspect something about bad hierarchy in blender, i'm not super knowledgeable and just stumbling around

[sage patio]

one button to copy over the components

yea also make sure that all of the bones are mapped correctly in the rig config

in unity

[gray knoll]

everything looked good in unity until i filled in the sdk animator and hit play, then the monstrosity appeared

ill look up pumpkin's avatar tool ty

[fading verge]

anyone there?

[crisp tendon]

Nope

[sleek isle]

Life is a pain, get use to it

[livid pond]

can anyone convert models from sfm to vrchat avatars? . i will do art if anyone makes that for me . i cant rig avatars and let them upload_reAdy

[paper frost]

Hello everyone, I have a bit of a problem I can't figure out why most of the hair bones of my avatar goes missing when I export to Unity.
Left side is Blender and as you can see once on right side the 3 fronts and sideburns are gone (antenna too).
What could cause this you think? (they still exist in the Hierarchy)

[languid ermine]

Hey i'm looking for some help with some tracking in VRChat. In the VRC Animator Tracking Control, my left and right fingers are set under tracking, and so is my head and hands. Unfortunately, the fingers still fuse when trying to animate them in vr. Does anyone know how to fix this?

[celest perch]

I think I selected the wrong root bone lol

[gloomy ether]

made a dynamic bone component the root of the hair then added exclusions, but now i'm having a problem with the root bone moving when its not supposed to. how do i make sure the root portion of the bone doesn't move while simultaneously making the front hair move in the same component?

[sterile swallow]

Hey! I need a hand attaching hair to a base avatar of mine, I commissioned someone to see if they could figure it out, but they got stumped and suggested I ask around to see if anyone could give me a hand OR if someone would take it on as a paid commission, thanks!

[crisp tendon]

What did they get stumped on ?

[sterile swallow]

They said, in their words.. “I’m sorry but for the hair I can’t rigs, blender does anything with, it distorts as not possible, and when I just wanted to fix them on the model directly even that, it doesn’t want at all, Apart from just laying the hair on the head I can do nothing else:/ Worry the hair the strands and behind passes in the model if you lower the head or even lift..”

this is the model in question, and the hair

I just wanted to attach the hair to the head, the braids and the back of the hair can just have physics and flow freely

[crisp tendon]

If it's not already rigged then yeah i can see how they wouldn't be able to do much, although it's possible it'd take a bit of time

[sterile swallow]

I have zero idea how to rig myself, I’m honestly poking around seeing if someone would be able to do it as a commission .w.

[spiral shard]

do you need to buy something to make hair physics/ect? even though im a quest creator i wanna see if i can make my avatar look less plain on pc

i think i do need to buy the asset :(_ _ argg sucks

[lapis bloom]

Yes Dynamic Bone it's like 20 dollars I think. It doesn't suck

[spiral shard]

i know it doesnt i bet its great it just sucks idk how money works cause im a itty bitty

[twilit urchin]

If I feel the neck is too long , which should i move the Y value ? head or neck?

[wanton dove]

is there a sort of "Default Rig" asset that I can start building an avatar around?

for blender, that is

[wanton dove]

nvm i forgot rigify exists

[undone pulsar]

so i forget what causes a model to spontaneously stop using default tracking
model was working till the latest step where i changed some weights, and now the hands and head don't use the view tracking in desktop

(moving cursor, picking things up, etc)

[undone pulsar]

nvm, was a side effect from having the game open too long

[ancient trellis]

https://i.gyazo.com/c9d367d63309b2eb065d684acaa46cc0.png

https://i.gyazo.com/2ddd500b771e344635dea5573bf0bfa9.png

How do I make it so I dont have to manually change these every time i import my model

Welp, fixed the eye issue

[turbid spear]

you sure it's the same object

says entoma in the sdk and 3ntoma in the inspector

if only one avatar has avatar descriptor on it, it'll show up in the sdk alone so

[main belfry]

how do i move bones around in unity without unpacking the prefab again? its been awhile

[jaunty lintel]

hello, it's my first time using blender, and i'm trying to make my own avatar from scratch. so far i've made a model that looks like this. you guys got any tips for rigging ? i've tried using rigify but it literally made my character explose... (note : the head isn't attached to the body, it hovers above the neck, and the hands are holograms that i plan to make swappable with other holograms like a sword or a shield)

[supple iris]

not sure if this is the specific channel of it but, im having a weird issue where some pre configured models with dynamic bones have their dynamic bones work while others dont after upload, even though both of them have the bones jiggle properly on the play in Unity. I have dynamic bones installed, is it possibly a thing where the compiler removes them to optimize them or something?

[kindred pollen]

rule 15, also maybe they're using an older version of dynamic bones?

DB got it's like, only update since 2014 in August 2020, so if the premade models were made before then, that might be it?

also, make sure you have the dynamic bone limiter turned off ingame

that should be in the top-right of the safety menu, I think?

[supple iris]

that's possible, i'll check that first since it might be working fine already. also google says something about the script being placed on the wrong part of the armature but that looks like it's set properly

[supple iris]

that was it, thanks

[kindred pollen]

woot, yw! c:

[burnt rock]

hi everyone, i'm new to 3d work so sorry if this is a really basic question. i have a model with ankles that look like this. it looks like they're way too high up so i moved the bones down but now it looks like i have a weight painting issue. does anyone know how i can mirror weight painting in blender across the X axis, but have it apply to two separate vertex groups (i.e. left ankle and right ankle)?

[supple iris]

https://blender.stackexchange.com/questions/9390/how-can-i-mirror-weight-painting talking out of my ass since this is out of my paygrade but it seems that it has something to do with naming conventions of the armature

[burnt rock]

oh interesting, let me try renaming the vertex groups and bones with the .L and .R convention to see if that makes it work

[crisp tendon]

You'll have to readjust the weight paint

[ancient trellis]

https://i.gyazo.com/fcca38cfe9b768103cd51e4da500133e.png

Anyone know why I cant edit any settings in MAEditor?

[ancient trellis]

How hard would it be to shorted my freakishly long fingers

[mild stratus]

Not that hard.
You’ll just have to shrink them in pose mode with scale, apply the armature modifier on the mesh, then apply the pose on the armature, then re-add the armature modifier.

If you have shapekeys, I’m not explaining it it takes way too long

[ancient trellis]

well i have shape keys..but not on the hands @mild stratus

i think the main issue was the armature was below the hands..making the fingers stretch a lot

[mild stratus]

oh, just saw the meshes were separated.

[ancient trellis]

I moved the finger bones to be inside the fingers..

now got this issue :/

[mild stratus]

and the armatures being below the hands has to be fixed in edit mode

Sometimes this stuff breaks, you might have to do a auto-repaint on the hands

[ancient trellis]

cause..this

thats how it was.

[mild stratus]

Did you move it in edit mode, or pose mode?

[ancient trellis]

so I just selected the arm/hands in edit mode and moved them up

edit

[mild stratus]

So, you’d have to re-weight the hands.

[ancient trellis]

auto repainting doesn't fix it :/

maybe i have to remove the vertex groups..

[mild stratus]

Did you go into weight paint mode, and then do automatic weights again? Or re-parent?

[ancient trellis]

Reparent with automatic weights

[mild stratus]

Re-parent doesn’t work

Nvm

clearly it does

[ancient trellis]

I think its better now? hopefully

time to find out

thank god for pumpkins avatar tool

@mild stratus still..kinda hooky..?

or is it more normal? idfk

[mild stratus]

I’d say it’s more normal, but it’s definitly still kinda janky.

[ancient trellis]

How can I fix it

[mild stratus]

No clue.

[ancient trellis]

😦

attempting surgery..

[still fossil]

Your bones weren't lined up correctly still. Make sure the joints of the bones line up with the joints of the fingers

Bones should of been there

[ancient trellis]

copied the hands from a different model

[still fossil]

👍

[ancient trellis]

think auto weight painting made a fucky wucky tho

influences the top of the hand too

[still fossil]

I don't like auto weights

[ancient trellis]

nutty

I suck at doing it auto tho

like its impossible to manually paint it with different colors to make it "smooth"

[still fossil]

That's what the blur tool is for

[ancient trellis]

👀

[ancient trellis]

hmmmm

so does it lighten or darken areas

[still fossil]

It blurs your weight paint to give you that smooth gradient

Like that

[ancient trellis]

ooohhh

ty

[still fossil]

no prob

[ancient trellis]

whats the best way to move the mesh over to line up with the bones...?

WITHOUT deforming or making it mishaped

character is currently extremely bow legged..

[amber kestrel]

You could have shown that with literally any better picture

Generally can fix that by following best practices. Vertical upper leg, slightly bent back lower leg, zero bone roll across the armature

[ancient trellis]

already fixed it

[finite swallow]

Ctrl-alt and paint to do a radial weight paint

Paints through the mesh and makes for smooth gradients

Combine it with alt-b to box out the areas you want to paint (make sure you're in solid or wireframe view)

Realize that you can use gradient weight painting with subtract brush as well

Suddenly weight painting is easy

[native hemlock]

oh god how should i go about rigging this monstrosity

[turbid spear]

same as any other avatar

[crisp tendon]

Please smooth shade it

[sleek isle]

No

[balmy prawn]

anyone know of a visemes from scratch tutorial for a model that didn't have a mouth/jaw separation to start?

[turbid spear]

look for blendshape tutorials

any blender one should work

(since viseme is a vrchat term more or less)

[short solstice]

can smb help me? what am i doing wrong? When configuring avatar my fingers look fine but when i'm trying to apply a animation to it, it bends in weird ways, checked muscles for them - everything is fine like opening/closing hand. ._.

[astral warren]

Gradient tool would work fine I think.

[spark wedge]

not sure if this is exactly the right place, but how do I stop myself sinking when I sit down? i've tried adjusting my in-game height. when stood up, my finger is in front of my eye

[atomic harness]

https://gyazo.com/04f84da3abb656d61aef855d03556639 i got this rig for a piston but in unity its no longer working? anyone knows how to get it working in unity?

[fathom edge]

i gotta ask

do avatars need controller bones?

[sleek isle]

try the look at constraint

[fading verge]

im not sure what i did wrong can someone help me

[crisp tendon]

assign the correct bones

[fading verge]

is it possible to achieve the correct proportions by just adjusting bone size without adjusting the mesh

[crisp tendon]

yep

[fading verge]

okay cool, I can't change my mesh but it looks like I can make the bones smaller, move them around without making things look weird

thank you

[fading verge]

I changed some of it but its still doing the same

[crisp tendon]

Are they actually weight painted ?

[mint magnet]

So my little dude's arms are a bit too short. Im trying to make them smaller in the Avatar Config. I was able to do this with the head (I made it smaller), and it updated. but not for the arms. Why is this? Any help is appreciated!

[fading verge]

@crisp tendon i was running into weight painting issues with just scaling the bones, so I looked for more information again, and I see you posted this last year #avatar-rigging message

so I was wrong, I can't adjust the bones without making it look weird 🙄

have to adjust mesh too

so if I don't want to adjust the mesh, I'm stuck with just play space moving and lying about my height

[crisp tendon]

?

scale the bones in pose mode

[soft crown]

Hey I'm totally new here, but I've been knocking my head against a wall trying to self teach myself (with some youtube of course) on Blender and Unity.

The one issue I am really struggling with is the thumbs on this model. Looks great in Blender, then in Unity and in VRChat the thumbs are completely twisted. Thanks in advance, and I'm happy I joined the discord since you guys seem super nice already.

[amber kestrel]

My guess is the proximal bone isn't actually weighted properly. I would suggest posing the thumb in blender to see how it actually behaves. The proximal bone should influence all the thumb movement up to the knuckle, take a look at your thumb irl for a point of reference

[soft crown]

Promixal Bone?

[mint magnet]

Where did all of my stuff on the right go? Usually it has all of my stuff like "Jiggle Bone" And Dynamic stuff. But its all gone. (Hes in play mode rn to show that he has that stuff on him.) but I cant see any of the settings.

[mint magnet]

I was able to somehow scale his head in unity and it worked. Do you know why this worked and why its not working now? I didnt use blender to rig him

[crisp tendon]

no clue, i wouldn't use unity for any edits personally

[mint magnet]

Yeah, I honestly have no clue how I edited his head and made it stay that way. Tried to edit in Maya and ill see how it goes.

[crisp tendon]

same way as regular limbs

then you need cleaner weight paint

[crisp tendon]

can you show what you're trying to do ?

that's usually blendshape related when this happen

unless every bone is weighted to the mesh

Personally i'd delete every vertex group and set weights manually through the vertex group menu, either using automated weighting and then assigning all vertices to a group

[soft crown]

I hate to ask again, but I have spent a few more hours trying to fix this and can't find a solution. The weight painting for each thumb bone looks pretty normal.

[crisp tendon]

Also an upside down hip bone will cause issues down the line

[crisp tendon]

clear bone rolls in edit mode

gl, brb in a bit

[soft crown]

In Blender all of the bones have 0 for bone rolls.

[lyric stratus]

i was pretty sure i did these glasses correctly, but whenever i use this avatar they just kinda float around but head depending on which direction im walking, so im not sure what to do ahah

[sleek perch]

I'm a bit new to this but I set up my body rig with everything like the clothe sbut i'm not to sure bout the neck and head? I'm gonna use it in VR but im on pc. I still wanna be able to move my head around and all that but im not sure if i need to attatch it to the rig a certain way?

[fading verge]

did you ever get an answer on this?

[soft crown]

Feel like the answer is so easy, but I cant seem to find it; How do you add a single missing bone to a vertex group to be able to weight paint it?

[spiral shard]

im confused, everything seems fine in unity but in vrchat my avatar flips around and only my arms are facing in the right direction, can anybody help with that?

[spiral shard]

nevermind heres what it looks like in unity and vrchat

[spiral shard]

i tried applying location and rotation in blender and still nothing

[mild stratus]

I had a rig that did that once, the only way I could fix it was to set the default pose of the rig to a t-pose. Dunno why it fixed it, probably some unity jank

[spiral shard]

interesting! i'll try that out tomorrow morning and see if it'll finally stop being crazy haha

[mild stratus]

If it still doesn’t work... ask ruuubik, pretty sure they’re good at this

[spiral shard]

do i just ping em if i get stuck or something? ive never pinged mods/hosts before

[mild stratus]

Idk

Sometimes they appear when someone is struggling with rigging

[soft crown]

This is what it looks like when you configure a humanoid to t pose?

I know that for my avatar the issue was weight painting and bone positioning in blender. I was having a similar issue with the thumb in particular

[spark oak]

guys help me

to rig avatar

i should make this

for my site

[spiral shard]

yeah i think so- that shows when i look at the muscles and stuff

[spiral shard]

im still having issues despite putting it in more of a tpose position and straightening the spine a bit

it still thinks the model is backwards what

[gray knoll]

When I import a rigged fbx accessory (cat ears) to unity, on an existing avatar, the armature is set to the feet by default (the 3d arrows things to move it), even though its only a head bone, and it does a long ass bone from the head to the feet and makes the dynamic bones freak out, D: any way to fix this in unity?

[meager ether]

never seen this pink icon before, what is it?

[turbid spear]

modded client

graciously shows off it's presence by putting an icon into your screenshots

[amber kestrel]

RIP that poor bone man's account

[meager ether]

seems this guy has no shame at all

[spiral shard]

im so ready to give up 😔😔 all my best efforts to fit it just make it worse and i dont know what to do anymore

[turbid spear]

they just don't know better

[obtuse wadi]

what? i need help

i have all necessary bones

what does that means; these are normaly not neccesary

[fading warren]

looks like to me you don't have enough bones for a rig and/or you've not indicated which bones are the neck/shoulders/chest.

if you look at lost's rigging from their model above, you can see a 'v' shaped portion at the top (these are chest and shoulder bones) and the 'n' shape at the bottom is the hip bones

ideally when rigging you should be including the head too

[obtuse wadi]

i just did like the tutorials said

in blender

[fading warren]

and labelling the bones so the program knows what each bit is

[obtuse wadi]

i mean ive got this so far

all "neccesaries" are filled

[fading warren]

there's not green dots in chest or shoulders? it might be reading your chest as neck

[obtuse wadi]

i dont have bones for them

[fading warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2pTkW-1JkE&ab_channel=Blender here's the blender tutorial for rigging

even if you don't use them, you need those bones

[obtuse wadi]

so ur telling me i have to do this again...

[fading warren]

no I'm saying you need to add bones like it was an actual skeleton

[obtuse wadi]

shall i just delete the model from unity then?

[fading warren]

because that's what rigging is- a very simplified skeleton, that shows the PC where points of rotation/joints are

idk man, I'm just saying you need to rig again

[obtuse wadi]

[fading warren]

blender has auto-rigging optiions

[obtuse wadi]

auto rigging messe

messes things up

[fading warren]

aqight so

you want points of rotation in the torso. currently your 'chest' extends too high, and is making it difficult for the system to see if it's chest or neck ect. you need to add on 2 more bones going in the same direction: 1 from bottom to top of neck, and then one from top of neck to roughly top of head

when you rig, you have to imagine the bones as inflexible rods. in order to make animations like walking and being able to move your head around without breakiing, the rods need to be small enough to allow the flexing. tbh you miight have problems later with regards to not having any rigging in the hands but idk I'm not an expert

[obtuse wadi]

can i just add like a loose bone in the shoulders?

[fading warren]

no :c are your shoulder bones lose in your skeleton? it looks like both the floating shoulder bone AND your arm bone are parented to the top of the neck. I'd say move the top of the neck bone down to where the shoulders are, unparent the arm bone, try and re-attach the floating shoulder to that neck bone, then parent the rest of the arm bones under the shoulder bone

[obtuse wadi]

how do i unparent?

[fading warren]

I don't use blender but if you click on the bone you want to unparent, so its selected, then maybe right click or check the rigging settings menu?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gIL6VZ-bkE&list=PLa1F2ddGya_-UvuAqHAksYnB0qL9yWDO6&index=28&ab_channel=Blender please do take a look at the quick tutorials if you're really stuck. also google how to unparent a bone in blender in google

[obtuse wadi]

i made it like this now

[fading warren]

hmmm, ok see if it works now

if you look at the playlist, there's a whole video on parenting

[obtuse wadi]

i did like u said and...

[fading warren]

whats this here?

[obtuse wadi]

it was for the beak normaly

i head a big bone for the head but it just dissapears

[fading warren]

you don't need bone for the beak...? I don't think? idk about mouth movement tho. weird how the big one kept disappearing, because that's the best way to do a head bone.

you might need to try and summon someone else cuz idk how to fix that bud

[obtuse wadi]

what...

aaaaaa

[fading warren]

hmmmm

maybe your hip bones are too short

or your ankle bones are too high

[obtuse wadi]

i fixed it, but its basicly the start

[fading warren]

well it looks bit better!

what tutorial did you follow?

[obtuse wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2pTkW-1JkE&list=PLa1F2ddGya_-UvuAqHAksYnB0qL9yWDO6&index=34

[fading warren]

huh, ok then

[obtuse wadi]

why does it have to be so complicated

[fading warren]

idk mann

[obtuse wadi]

well, i got this?

it means it will just be tposing

right?

[fading warren]

corerect

[obtuse wadi]

im close to giving up with this bull

[fading warren]

you should ask someone else as they can help you more than me ^^

[obtuse wadi]

idk anyone here tho

[surreal badger]

im trying to make an eft avatar but when i put it into unity both hands look like this, im pretty new to rigging so help would be amazing

[neat matrix]

How would one add Dynamic bones from the unity asset store to an avatar that has them mapped.

Trying to import an avatar that needs the dynamic bones script imported separately

[kindred pollen]

You should just be able to import it into your asset browser, then upload? o:

very well might be wrong on that, but fairly certain

[neat matrix]

Would using SDK3 oppose to 2 make a difference?

[kindred pollen]

I wouldn't see why o:

[neat matrix]

Yeah it's still not working.

[kindred pollen]

I don't really have that much experience with DB unfortunately, so I can't really recommend much else lol

but yeah, as long as it's imported into the asset browser and the bones have DB's scripts attached, it should work

[neat matrix]

I'm assuming they aren't mapped then. I've done this same thing before with other avatars and it's worked.

[lapis bloom]

For dynamic bone:

1. Buy DynamicBone (in Unity Asset Store).
2. Import it into your unity project.
3. Import the avatar and it should work now.

If you imported the avatar before the DynamicBone asset you might need to redo it in order

[marble perch]

Can anyone assist with the whole problem of my avatar's legs crossing when crouching in VR Ever since the first few 3.0 updates I have had this problem. I read that it might have something to do with the bones not bieng straight but they look pretty straight to me.

This was fixed in 2.0 by changing the animation set to female/male but i dont think thats a thing in 3.0

[solid adder]

You may have to straighten them out a bit more, they seem to come closer toward the ankles. Also if you're in Blender, try to reset bone rotations. If it still happens then perhaps slightly rotate the bones.

Also male animations in 2.0 are a bit on the janky side anyways.

[fading verge]

great illustration, thank you ❤️

[fading verge]

I keep getting the error that my pelvis angle is 90 degrees

[sleek isle]

oh

that not good

[fading verge]

the hips and the head and thighs all seem aligned

[sleek isle]

you want your ankle behind the knee

[fading verge]

ohhhhhhhhh

[sleek isle]

wait

[fading verge]

THAT'S why Unity highlighted my ankles...

oh?

[sleek isle]

try to have your spine more strait

[fading verge]

but i have another right that has a not straight spine, doesn't give me this error

not totally straight

this works but my other one, doesn't

[sleek isle]

you can still use the reverse hip if you really dont know

[fading verge]

hmm

didn't use cats plugin, that was it

whatever would we do without cats, wow

fix model, deselected connect bones

@sleek isle thank you for your help ^_^

❤️

[obtuse wadi]

well i got it in, however the feet are long like this

or rather this

[tribal viper]

excuse me but how you solve the bent knees probelm

try to do it my self

fixed toes but instead of the knees going front

they go <== ===>

huh discord search feature is handy for this chat , for the ones that came looking for my same question , apparently " Vrchat looks in which way the knees are sligthly bent and uses that as the direction they should continue to bent " @astral warren thanks for the info !

[astral warren]

o7

[tribal viper]

what

AH!

ok google is also quite handy on my slang vocab i gotta say that is a cool way to say salute

[orchid compass]

So uh since im new to FBT i been working on this model and realized i been experiencing a hip tilt to the left when I bind into the model. I may need some guidance for a proper hip bone placement even though i followed the VRChat documentation I cant seem to pin point the issue.

Here is a front and side image.

http://prntscr.com/x9pujc

http://prntscr.com/x9pyb2

I been searching the servers history regarding to hip tilt but it does not seem to do it for me lol. Anyone got advice for the proper hip placement?

[orchid compass]

nvm fixed it

[undone pulsar]

My unity import from blender's been acting strange where the mesh for the forearms raises and everything else is normal. The armature is in rest pos and mesh has no more than 3 weights per vertex

[tender summit]

hey i got a character , full working avatar but his fingers dont work. anyone could help me out ? i can pay

[stable coral]

ik how to fix but damn LOL default skin weights be like

[sage patio]

did you add a custom gesture controller? if so, should probably make sure that the finger gestures are set up correctly on there

I recommend using the default controller that comes with the SDK, and then adding layers if you need extra functionality. making your own controller from scratch is also doable, but you need to make sure to also set up the finger gestures correctly

[tender summit]

not sure what any of that is , im not very knowledge on blender ect , the hands got no bones and ive tried to do it myself but i kept running into issues whenever i tried

[sage patio]

ahh I see. makes sense why this is in the #avatar-rigging channel then.

[tender summit]

Yeah I kept having shader issues and stuff

[mint magnet]

is there anyway I can remove the 'foot fall' animation that happens when you stand around? Its like a default shuffle. My little digitigrade satyr doesnt take too kindly to that motion and his legs look silly haha
(reposting here because I got radio silence on the Animation tab)

[plain crypt]

Does anyone know what causes this FBT issue? The hips are tilted very slightly to the side and it causes one of the feet to drop slightly below the floor

[spice root]

https://youtu.be/2sfTEBAl8sA Recommending this video to anyone having FBT issues with their Avatar. In your case it looks like you should have a look at your hip alignment. Also if ur feet drop below the ground: Check if ur feet are slighty below your Origin Point of the Avatar. Best way to see that is by pressing 5 than 3 on your numpad. If that is the case, you can look into the video i sent and find how to fix that issue. Hope you can fix it mate :)

@plain crypt

[small harness]

so im having this issue where the feet are roating out when doing the humaniod rig stuff, i have played with the roll but it dosetn seem to change it at all. anyone have an idea why this is happening?

this is how it is normally

please tag me if you have any ideas

[mint magnet]

Does anyone know how to change the “origin” where the foot placements adjusts to? I just need to move it back slightly. Or should I move my entire persons body forwards ?

[small harness]

i fixed the issue. but i have noather question if anyone can help

i have this issue where the thumb roates in a weird way, i have also tried to use the roll to fix this with no change

[solid adder]

Looks fine to me, you just need to make custom hand gestures which is simple if you have muscle animator.

[tender summit]

hey anyone can help me or do the hands on my avatar for me? i can pay and its a complete avatar only missing hand bones

[astral warren]

Make sure the hip and spine bones are pointing in the same exact direction. the bones should not have any angle between then where they join

[plain crypt]

Thanks for the link! I'm hoping to avoid any sort of hack fix but I might have to resort to that...

[plain crypt]

I will give that a shot! There is a very very slight angle so I'll see if that does it. Thanks for the tip!

[mint magnet]

Does anyone know why my guy on the left is going into the 'curl' pose when I preview his idle animation I made? His copy on the right is correct. How do I fix this?

[undone pulsar]

just remembered i could screenshot to show the issue

vs the blender rig

[undone pulsar]

cant really recreate the error luckily, but it also doesnt go away if I just make a new armature

with the same structure at least

also, using 'sample bind pose' from the default in unity compresses the arms -from the shoulder on- towards the body

[crisp tendon]

make sure to clear bone rolls before exporting

and apply pose with cats if you haven't already

[undone pulsar]

to clear rolls do you just set them to 0 in edit mode?

did alt R+G+S before export to make sure it was in rest

setting rolls to 0 in edit mode actually seemed to make the deform worse

[crisp tendon]

Make sure you pose is applied then

[undone pulsar]

how do?

i did it in model tab of cats if thats what you meant and no change

[crisp tendon]

You sure all transforms are applied on everything ?

[undone pulsar]

yep

[crisp tendon]

[undone pulsar]

model was made a year ago from 0 experience over 4 days, so it may have some dark magic applied

scratch, 0 modifiers beyond armature and no plugins

[sterile swallow]

So I’m rigging some elites from reach, but I’m genuinely stumped.. how do I make the mandibles move when you talk? Is there some sort of bone I need to add into each one?

The skeleton looks the same for all the models, so, I’m stumped.

[undone pulsar]

prayed to some dark god n refreshed my annual agreement
model's working again

managed to rearrange the thing to enough of a degree that CATS could understand what was going on, and then CATS proceeded to butcher it, but in a fixable manner
annit works now

[solid adder]

And to think, all it cost was your soul and a sacrifice to please the Blender Gods.

[river pike]

Anyone know how to fix pee legs?

[solid adder]

If it's SDK2 change male animations to female otherwise reset bone rolls in Blender.

@river pike

Another thing as well is make sure when rigged as a humanoid the bones are in the right places and T-Posed properly.

If the above doesn't work. You can always slightly adjust the bone roll in Blender.

[river pike]

Setting it to female worked :O. and i dont know how to do bone rolls, but it works thank you ❤️

[solid adder]

👍

SDK2 Male animations in general are just bad.

Well VRChat's default Male animations at least. Doesn't seem like they ever came up with a solution for that, but then again anyone can change the animations to whatever they want really so likely just a bottom list priority

[astral warren]

The game will look at your armature and look closely at which way the knees are slightly bent in t pose, it will use that as the direction they should continue to bend.

1.) make sure the knees bend slightly backwards and not at all to the side

2.) after moving any bones revert the bones roll back to 0, it sneaks in a lot

[river pike]

Yeah blender and unity seem to like to sneak things in a lot. I don't ever touch the bones at all but half my stuff ends up with pee leg lol

[astral warren]

Most Armature‘s are probably not set up for VRChat

They will need to be adjusted in blender

[river pike]

Doesn't cats fix model do that automatically?

[astral warren]

Not sure, I only use it for a more sane pose mode

I do other stuff the blender way

I avoid cat’s fix model thing

But I would suspect that it would not assume which way an avatars legs should bend

[terse iron]

is there a way to make a rotation constraint stop rotating after a certain degrees on an axis? or just not to rotate within a certain range

[pearl cedar]

Anyone know how to fix crouching being off like this? I am also having an issue where when I sit the avatar's feet are in the ground. I think its a rigging issue but idk how to fix it.

[crisp tendon]

crouching or proning ?

[pearl cedar]

what is proning?

oh wait I looked it up, i think it is proning actually.

[crisp tendon]

what does the armature look like in blender

[crisp tendon]

ah yeah

https://youtu.be/2sfTEBAl8sA

You can see what armature proportions are correct here

your upper legs are way too tiny

[pearl cedar]

ive tried messing with that, but same result when i change the propertions. Also ive been using the CATS plugin "fix model" button which might be the cause of the issue but idk why they would have the plugin "fix" the model only to break it like this...

[crisp tendon]

cats very rarely breaks anything that isn't already broken

i'd still suggest looking that the rigify armature in blender and try to use that instead as your base

[pearl cedar]

ill try to figure it out with your video... what ive done here is use a model from maximo as a base but it changes stuff when i press "fix model" but thanks anyway. I guess ill just keep testing stuff.

[fading verge]

is it possible getting this fbt ?

[crisp tendon]

This ?

[fading verge]

https://i.gyazo.com/0c78d637287246c58823e641b532ccac.png

sry image was loading too long

like would that work

[pearl cedar]

ive gotten stranger things into this game.

not well mind you... but i have.

[alpine eagle]

is that rod reiss?

[noble cape]

is there an individual that can help me set up a gun animation that has moving parts please

ping me if you can

please

[fading verge]

yup

[fading verge]

so fbt on things like this dont woek good

[pearl cedar]

well, depends, you can make it work, im just not good at it. Just put it in the game and the video Ruubick just posed will show you how to get it proportioned to your body.

[fading verge]

can you send it too e @pearl cedar like the vid

[pearl cedar]

you could just scroll up a little...

[fading verge]

well i dont help me really tho

cause the body rig is so diferent

[pearl cedar]

not necessarily, just import the rig, then get the positions you need to alter the way the tutorial says to, and then you'll have a rig that should work with FBT. I guess the mesh will likely be a tad disorted to get the proper sizing but thats how you do it.

[keen depot]

could someone help me with weight painting my shoes on my avatar please?

[mint magnet]

Does anyone have a good layout guide for digigrade/furry legs?

[sterile swallow]

https://i.imgur.com/0NTotiV.png Would it be possible to have several jaw bones, one for each mandible?

[sleek isle]

No

[amber kestrel]

Not directly mapped on humanoid rigging, but you can absolutely animate them

[merry elm]

Would anyone be able to look at my rigging and tell me what im doing wrong

[kindred pollen]

Upload an image here o:

[merry elm]

so for context here is my character

[kindred pollen]

Would you mind taking a screenshot of the armature? c:

[merry elm]

ive got the armature set inside the model

but when i go into pose mode it doesnt move with it

[kindred pollen]

ah, you likely haven't bound the mesh to the armature

https://blenderartists.org/t/need-help-with-connecting-armature-to-mesh/455171

I'd recommend using the "With Automatic Weights" button, rather than bone heat (which as far as I can tell was removed/renamed)

[merry elm]

will having my meshes combined together as one not affect anything negatively?

[kindred pollen]

That's actually probably preferred lol

[merry elm]

oh sweet

[kindred pollen]

I don't think you can have multiple seperate meshes combined under one armature in Blender, but I might be wrong on that
as long as they're one mesh though, t'is all fine

[sage patio]

you can

[merry elm]

thats good to hear

[kindred pollen]

ah, kk

[merry elm]

and also will my shaders/rendering engine carry over into Unity when i export it?

[kindred pollen]

no, shader models are vastly different between engines

The color/normal/roughness/etc maps will, but otherwise no

[merry elm]

well my glass head may be completely ruined when i export it

also Parent with Automatic weights crashed my blender lol

[sage patio]

you can still use shaders that support transparency

[kindred pollen]

^
and awh lol - but yeah, you can set up different but vv similar shaders in Unity directly

[merry elm]

can i screenshot my shader nodes and share them here?

[kindred pollen]

You can, but again shader models vary wildly lol

Rest assured that you can set up vv similar shaders in Unity, most likely

[merry elm]

will something like this carry over?

[kindred pollen]

don't have that much experience with Blender shaders, but from what I know, no

Color/normal/transparency/roughness/etc maps will carry over, but full-on shader-heavy materials very likely won't

[merry elm]

i just worry that setting up the stuff in unity is going to be a nightmare with it all being the 1 mesh

[sage patio]

na

materials are still seperate

a single mesh can have many materials

[merry elm]

when in blender and i join the meshes together it doesnt have seperate materials still

[sage patio]

it should

[merry elm]

oh wait i see it

[sage patio]

if you go to the materials tab, you should see them

[merry elm]

does anyone know a fix for blender crashing when im Parent with Automatic Weights

or a way to ease the load

[sage patio]

is this a from scratch model?

[merry elm]

yes

[sage patio]

nice, and you haven't done any weight painting right?

[merry elm]

for the most part

and no i havent

[sage patio]

right

which unity version are you using

i mean

blender

sorry

[merry elm]

2.91.2

[sage patio]

I also see that you simply created a new humanoid armature using blender, right

because there are a LOT of useless bones

do you have CATS blender plugin installed?

[merry elm]

yes i did

and yea i do

[sage patio]

then you should be able to use that to fix the armature

[merry elm]

I was wondering about the useless bones because i dont want my lightbulb to animate with lipsync

[sage patio]

I'd tell you to use the "Fix model" button, but I'm afraid it might mess up your model

so try making a copy of your project first, and then try it

[merry elm]

use fix model on my model or the armature?

[sage patio]

it will do it for the whole thing

[merry elm]

sorry for all the questions im just new to this

[sage patio]

no worries

try it without parenting the mesh

if it doesn't work, try parenting the mesh (select Keep offsets)

[merry elm]

it gives me this

[sage patio]

ah

yea do that first

in object mode, select mesh, ctrl click armature (both should now be selected, with the armature being a lighter orange) and then do CTRL + P

[merry elm]

when you say ctrl click do you mean shift click?

[sage patio]

ye sorry

[merry elm]

all g

[sage patio]

well

ctrl works too

[merry elm]

once i do that which option do i select

[sage patio]

oh wait

ctrl and shift do the opposite

ctrl sets the last selected object as the active object

while shift sets the first object as the active object

[merry elm]

ah

so which do i want?

[sage patio]

active object being the lighter one

you want the armature to be the active one

[merry elm]

ok so with the armature as the brighter one

which of these do i want?

this is when i hit control p

[sage patio]

keep transform

[merry elm]

coolio

now Fix Model like before?

[sage patio]

ye give it a shot

[merry elm]

well its Not Responding

thats not good

[sage patio]

give it a sec

[merry elm]

after i gave it a bit, it told me this

which is odd cause i remember thones bones being there

and its also set the armature back to a t-pose and outside of my model

[still fossil]

I wouldn't recommend using CATS fix model on a scratch avatar. It's mostly used for downloaded MMD avatars that have lots of extra bones, duplicated materials, etc.

[sage patio]

^ in this case we're using it to remove the extra bones

[merry elm]

ideally all those face bones

[sage patio]

it could be done manually too

just in edit mode

but CATS could be faster

[merry elm]

what do i do about that missing neck, head bone thingo

[sage patio]

can you take a screenshot of the armature as of now?

[still fossil]

CATS messes up more than helping on scratch avatars. Best to do things manually

[sage patio]

I mean, there isn't much for it to break in this case, but I did also tell him to make a backup before trying to use CATS

[merry elm]

i just manually removed the extra face bones

[sage patio]

alrighty

you can also remove those 2 pelvis bones probably

[merry elm]

those ones?

[sage patio]

ye

as for the "head", how do you want it to move exactly?

[merry elm]

well theres it now

[sage patio]

do you want the entire bulb, including screw, to move as one solid object?

[merry elm]

yes

[sage patio]

so you only need one bone for that then

[merry elm]

ah

so should i drop the head bone?

[sage patio]

hmm

it's possible that unity won't let you set it as a humanoid rig if it does not have a head bone

I suppose you could keep the neck and head bone, and then just pick one of them (probably head) to weight the head to

[merry elm]

so by head and neck bone you mean the top 2?

cause they are labeled as spone004-6

[sage patio]

yea

[merry elm]

spine*

[sage patio]

should probably name the bones correctly too

Hips, Spine, Chest, UpperChest, Neck, Head

[kindred pollen]

VRChat's IK won't work without a head bone, but yeah you can just not weight-paint them to anything if you want

They just need to be in the hierarchy

[sage patio]

figured as much

[merry elm]

so name that top one just "Head"

[sage patio]

ye

[merry elm]

and all those spine bones just spine?

[sage patio]

well from the top to bottom, they should be called:

Hips, Spine, Chest, UpperChest, Neck, Head

bottom to top*

sorry

to make weight painting easier, you can technically do away with Upperchest

it's optional

but it might make it move better when sitting down

[kindred pollen]

also note, you'd definitely want to move the bones to match the mesh in Edit mode before you start weight-painting

[merry elm]

yes they are in the same pose as the mesh

[kindred pollen]

in Edit mode, or Pose mode? o:

[merry elm]

oh you mean in edit mode

its in the same pose in pose mode

[kindred pollen]

ah, would definitely recommend doing that in Edit mode

[sage patio]

in pose mode, you can set the pose as the rest pose

aka like, "zero-ing" it out

[kindred pollen]

I think you can do that with CATS, too

[merry elm]

is there any way to make it automatch what i have in pose mode?

[sage patio]

yes

using CATS

[merry elm]

ah there we go

legend

so now ive got the bones renamed

the pose is set as rest

what next

[sage patio]

weight painting

aka telling the vertices which bones to move with

[merry elm]

ah okie

ill google that

thanks for the help c:

[sage patio]

np :p

as a tip also

for the head, aka bulb, you can do the weighing really easily

since all of the vertices in that will be 100% weighed to the head bone

[merry elm]

ah too ez

[sage patio]

you can select all vertices of the bulb, then switch to weight paint mode, then click this button

all of the vertices you selected in edit mode will now be selected

then, with the "Weight" slider set to 1, click this button

that will set the weight of all selected vertices to 1

[merry elm]

ok i think i need to go back and lower the sub-divisions on my bulb

[sage patio]

lol

[sage patio]

if it doesn't look smooth, use the Shade smooth option

[merry elm]

that feels like way too many

[sage patio]

dear god

[merry elm]

whoopsie

[kindred pollen]

RTX Enabled

[sage patio]

do that while having those selected (after reducing subdivision amount lol)

[merry elm]

the body model i got from online is also very extremtly high

[sage patio]

jeez yea

how many polys?

[merry elm]

but it was like that from the jump

[kindred pollen]

CATS has a decimate functon, alongside Blender itself

[merry elm]

what do i do to see that @sage patio

[sage patio]

in edit mode

oh the poly count?

uh

[merry elm]

ye

[sage patio]

bottom right corner?

might not be there in 2.9

[merry elm]

does seem it

i could probably delete the verticles under the shirt

[sage patio]

\

[sage patio]

19 million...

[merry elm]

super cas

[sage patio]

dear god

[merry elm]

probably explains how bad my performance has been

[sage patio]

yep....

[still fossil]

That's why you crash when you try join the armature to the mesh too

[sage patio]

recommended max poly count for VRC is 70k

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

that is a LOT of vertices to calculate weights for

[merry elm]

makes sense

so when using Decimate do i use Un-Subdivide?

[sage patio]

I suppose you could ye

whichever looks best

try using the symmetry option too

[still fossil]

Make sure your iteration is an even number

[merry elm]

im also gonna delete all the verticles under the pants and shit

[sage patio]

ye good call

anything that is not visible should be removed

don't forget you can use CTRL L to select all connected vertices, ALT + Left click to select a whole loop of vertices, and CTRL numpad "+" or numpad "-" to expand or shrink the selection

[merry elm]

so ive unsubdivided it and deleted the bits that arent visible

im just worried about the clunkiness of the hands

like that

[sage patio]

again, set the shading to smooth

[merry elm]

ah yes

[sage patio]

I think you can actually do it for the entire thing

[merry elm]

that looks way better

[sage patio]

in object mode

under the Object menu at the top left

[merry elm]

i found it in just the right click menu

also this is longer term

but i had an idea that whenever i talk the bulb lights up, would that be done in unity or in blender?

[kindred pollen]

That would be something done in Unity, likely via SDK3

[merry elm]

ah cool

is there anything i would need to set up in blender in preparation or nah?

[kindred pollen]

Likely not, though having seperate dim and lit textures of the bulb would be more efficient than using a realtime light in Unity

[merry elm]

my vert count is still stupid high

[still fossil]

You can un-subdivide it again

[merry elm]

i unsubdivided it and smooth shaded it and it flipped out

[still fossil]

What does it look like in edit mode?

[merry elm]

i can see the vert line

[sage patio]

you can still reduce that a lot

also try recalculating the normals

should be under the Mesh menu in edit mode

I think

Normals > Recalculate

[still fossil]

Retopologzing might be a better solution tbh. Decimation of any kind messes up the topology one way or another

[merry elm]

Retopologizing?

[still fossil]

You basically recreate the mesh and use the high poly version as your guide

[merry elm]

oh? do tell

[still fossil]

There are tools that automatically do it for you but I'm not familiar with them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-sALvdn3FI Here's a video about retopology. He shows you how to do it with blender's built in tools then shows some addons that can be used

[merry elm]

where you say 70k polys, which of these is the poly count?

im getting closer

[still fossil]

Tris

[merry elm]

ah ok so not at close as i thought

ayo there we go

[merry elm]

Could anyone help me get my armature attatched to my model?

@ me if your able to help

[kindred pollen]

@merry elm You'll need to weight-paint it to your model - if I'm remembering correctly the armature is parented to the mesh, but with empty weights

You could either use automatic weights (deparent and reparent, selecting the automatic weight option instead) or manually weight-paint it yourself o:

[merry elm]

So weight painting how do i assign the weight to each bone?

it keeps clicking the verts instead of the bones underneath them

[sage patio]

@merry elm click on the mesh then go to weight paint mode

[merry elm]

do i need to paint the inside of my model?

[sage patio]

@merry elm na

@merry elm also, if you do it right, you can mirror weight painting

[merry elm]

How does one remove weight paint?

ive tried the subtract brush but it lays more red on

[kindred pollen]

Set the weight of the brush to 0

[merry elm]

its just applying more red

[kindred pollen]

With the brush set to Add/Draw and the weight slider at 0, it's adding more? o:

This setup should remove weight-painting

weight's really the only thing that shOuld matter, as far as I know

[merry elm]

Yea it was, I restarted blender to fix it

[kindred pollen]

interesting lol, and cool! c:

[coral sigil]

does anyone know if it's possible to rig a character in a hunchback position like this for vrchat without mecanim getting angry about him being non humanoid? https://gyazo.com/4aacd474ae5796ac7bffbe7b22f097dd

[soft locust]

Hey there, anybody have any explanation of why this models armature is not grabbing the chest? I've used Cats to merge meshes together, so it may have happened during that stage, Is there a way to sort of put it back together? I'm new-ish to blender, but i've gotten myself pretty far with what i've got. explanation would be appreciated!
lil' pic for visual clarity

just for a little more info, the body and head used to be seperate meshes, but worked fine with the skeleton, and the legs are also properly working with the mesh

[sage patio]

was it the armatures or the meshes that were seperate?

because to combine meshes, you can just do CTRL J

and it should not mess with any of the vertex weights

[soft locust]

I believe only the mesh, I've only done mesh combining with the cats plugin, I have found out though that it was broken even before the mesh merge, so it may have to do with it fixing the bone, and breaking the armature, since its a bit strange starting out

I will try that though and see if it fixes anything, currently just starting over without fixing the armature

[sage patio]

I recommend frequently using pose mode to test the rigging

to make sure nothing is broken

[soft locust]

huh.

yeah its liiiikely just the bones absolutely breaking

chest piece just entirely came off

[sage patio]

well more like, the chest part of the mesh is not following the chest bone

[soft locust]

prolly gonna have to go without doing any bone fixing using cats

[sage patio]

is the chest a seperate mesh?

[soft locust]

nope, never was oddly.

the only thing that was really odd about the model was how the orginal bones were laid out, and in the process of optimizing the mesh it must've deleted the bone assigned to the chest proper

[sage patio]

probably it

you can use CATS to merge bones

and their associated weights

"To parent" will merge one selected bone to the bone it's parented to

"To active" will merge all of the selected bones with the active selected bone

aka the one that is highlighted lighter

[soft locust]

ah, gotcha. I'll probably go through all the bones then and carefully merge them next time around with that before doing anything with cats auto fixing

[sage patio]

sounds like a plan

[soft locust]

ty for the explanation, appreciate it

[sage patio]

np

[fading verge]

This thing keeps appearing

How to do it

[sage patio]

you need to have an in-game rank of at least New user, Visitors can't upload content

[fading verge]

Thank you

[merry elm]

ughhh holy shit i think i need to redo my entire rigging process

is there anyway to transfer armature/weightpainting to an identical other model?

[sage patio]

why do you think you need to redo it?

[mint magnet]

is there anyway I can create a blink animation by using bones? My avatar is very chibi and has little dots for eyes that are rigged so they can be compressed easily.

Also, when I go to make an animation the "blendshape.blink" doesnt exist, neither does any blendshape option.

[turbid spear]

you don't have any blendshapes

they'd be in a list in your skinned mesh renderer

and you'd just press record then slide the slider on thr skinned mesh renderer instead of manually adding it as a property in the animation window

[mint magnet]

I see I see, so I have to make the blendshapes first before that list shows up? because I dont have any just yet. Im in between animating with bones or vertices rn

[tired glacier]

please i need help with this i have been stuck at this for nearly 2 hours now

[kindred pollen]

what's the problem? o:

[tired glacier]

it's the rigging; it distorts the head when i rotate it

^ that's the normal pose

[kindred pollen]

That sounds like a weight painting issue - in your case, you could probably just select all the verts on the head, then assign them to the head bone's vertex group

alternatively you could select the mesh, go into weight-painting mode and paint the head 100% from there c:

[tired glacier]

okay thank you!

[kindred pollen]

yw! c:

[tired glacier]

okay i'm back again, and that still didn't work

the head and the hair are 2 different parts, and it seems that the hair is the problem

(because the head itself is working just fine)

so how do i fix this issue?

[turbid spear]

does the head stretch weirdly

if so it's likely weighted to multiple bones

select one vertex on the head and check in the top right N (shorcut key) panel what it's weighted to

there's gonna be a weight table

[tired glacier]

thank you so much holy shit

[turbid spear]

turn on normalize on the brush settings to avoid multiply bones being able to affect a vertex by 100% (that's what causes weird displacing and deforming)

[merry elm]

Hey sorry for late reply, but I wanna make a separate material for when the globe lights up but because my model is all joined together idk if I can retroactively change the individual materials

[sage patio]

@merry elm you can

in edit mode, select everything (A) and then go to Mesh > Seperate > By material

also, even if the mesh is joined, the materials are not

a mesh can have many materials

[merry elm]

Will that fuck up my rigging?

[sage patio]

no

[merry elm]

God damn sacred you are a treasure

I'll give it a go when I'm home from work

💕 thanku

[sage patio]

❤️

[mint magnet]

does anyone know why this does this? It happens when I try to apply a custom idle animation. Ive never had it not happen . I see fixes online but nothing on HOW to prevent it. (will cross post to #animation )

[turbid spear]

when previewing or recording an animation, that's the default humanoid pose

go to the animation tab and click preview, it should stop it maybe

[merry elm]

Hey Sacred Im back on blender now and wanted to ask a question

if i wanted my lightbulb to light up when i talk would that be done in unity or blender?

if so should i even make a seperate material for the lit up bulb or just leave it

[amber kestrel]

Could just animate raising the emission on the lightbulb's material (assuming it's separate) whenever Viseme is not equal to 0. Assuming you're using 3.0. Either way, this is not a rigging question, and should go to the appropriate channel

[merry elm]

apologies! c: thanks for the help

[glacial frigate]

so uhhh

about the bones

what am i supposed to name them?

(this is my avatar)

also what happens if my avatar has multiple meshes

[turbid spear]

check the pins for names

if you have multiple meshes you can join them

or keep them if you really need them to be separate

[glacial frigate]

also i dont think this is normal lol
some of the polygons are missing

[meager ether]

nah, it's just inverted

[glacial frigate]

ah ok

[meager ether]

time to back to blender

[glacial frigate]

is the inverted thing normal

[sage patio]

@merry elm the glowing part is something you would do in unity, because the shaders can't be carried over from blender to unity

[meager ether]

yup

but still you need to flip it

[sage patio]

the 2 ways to do it are A: have a seperate material for the glowing part and animate the emission intensity. alternatively, B: have it part of the main material, but then just make a mask texture for the emission, which will make whatever part is white glow, and whatever is black not glow

[merry elm]

i might do it the A way

but by seperate emission material that would be in unity?

[glacial frigate]

now it's even worse

the model appears perfectly fine in blender

[sage patio]

the material would be assigned in blender, which will add a material slot

then in unity, you can create materials for each slot, put them in each slot, and customize them