Never move the head end of bones only tails
#avatar-rigging
astral warren
Iβm not so sure about how that ankle joint is located though. Animal ankle. The one below the knee.
If you are going to have an actual weighted animal leg like that itβs usually a good idea to have invisible human style legs and bind the humanoid foot to the animal legβs toe bone
Otherwise itβs going to animate like an actual foot
shy shale
For rigging is there a specific set of bones / names for bones that Unity/VRChat is expecting?
crisp tendon
shy shale
I'm at that page. Maybe I'm reading too fast, but all I see there and on the first link on that page is a bunch of "dont's" when I'm looking for the basic "dos"
ooh wait, I found a base avatar in the sdk. I'll take a look at that
jagged badger
just make sure to make your life easier when you name bones you include a _L or _R at the end of their names
gentle horizon
yeah look up "humanoid mecanim" hex
basically though, 3 spine bones (hips, spine, chest (leave upper chest unampped)), 1 neck bone, 1 head bone,1 shoulder bone a side, 1 hand bone, 3 bones a finger, toes optional but I think they're nice.
No pelvis/hip bones needed.
also when setting up your eye bones have them sticking straight up instead of forwards
dunno why but that's what it expects, easy enough to fix in the SDK later but yeah
wintry thicket
Does anyone know how to prevent limbs from losing their thickness when bending? cause when ever i bend my hands,the wrists get alot thinner for no reason
jagged badger
probably being creased from weights, might be woth trying to smoth or lower weight levels in the bone vertex group
wintry thicket
cant really be lowered anymore
small harness
If anyone knows a good online tutorial on making a rigg for Vrchat in 2.8 could you @ me?
next plume
Vrchat sdk builder warned me to add neck and shoulders so i open blender and add bone for shoulders and necks that it's working with my mesh movement
But when i gonna add finger into look like my mesh didnt work with my fingers that it have arm as parent... I don't know why
Another problem is my file is very big when i sent my fbx that only have 30mb then i rescale+add bone and import back so i got 200 mb fbx file, maybe i have many animation in my original fbx file and very big scale in Blender, This big new fbx file make my unity freeze when put as well
next plume
Another problem is my file is very big when i sent my fbx that only have 30mb then i rescale+add bone and import back so i got 200 mb fbx file, maybe i have many animation in my original fbx file and very big scale in Blender, This big new fbx file make my unity freeze when put as well
@next plume still not finish import btw
crisp tendon
Why do you need to import all those animations ?
next plume
I just wanna use this animation in vrchat as well
mild stratus
@next plume btw, you'd have to use SDK3 if you wanted to use even a quarter of those.
mild stratus
SDK2 only has a small amount of slots for custom animations.
next plume
yeah i know haha
mild stratus
Imma be honest tho, you probably don't need most of those.
next plume
Not sure if i add some new bone my animation will still work or not
next plume
There's 25 animations for flinching.
@mild stratus I dont use those walk animation btw lol
@mild stratus But those animation still work if i just only add new rig but not to delete old rig and put new rig instead?
rose mountain
I cant get anything to work when testing dynamic bones in unity. Everything works fine in vrc. Just cant figure out why I cant test with the play button before uploading. Help please.
next plume
Btw i dont know how to make 1 bone that just add in mesh work together lol
mild stratus
@next plume If you deleted the rig, no. It wouldn't work.
And adding a new rig would do nothing, because the old rig is the one being animated.
next plume
Ohh that sound good for me
I am not sure why some bone that add already work with mesh instancely but some didnt
like my fingers isnt working with mesh or jaw
next plume
You could animate both with constraints.
I just wonder how do you gonna edit rig if you gonna add some bone and make it's working with mesh, because i only see tutorial make all rig before attach with mesh and not sure technical to some bone work with mesh part, I am just a newbie XD
I gonna try rip more model in game to edit rig as well
dim musk
Do I need these end finger bones generated by mixamo?
vague dew
No, not at all.
dim musk
thanks
vague dew
You should probably check the weight maps just in case though
IDK how mixamo works in that regard
dim musk
there were empty, but I do think the finger are still off in general. I cant properly make a curled hand for the thumbs up, for example
vague dew
if you aren't happy with it, you could try rigging it yourself
or just tweaking the fingers
dim musk
going to try the latter
vague dew
to me it looks like the problem is the joints for the bones are too far back
dim musk
ok, I will begin there. can I see what the hands should look like ideally?
vague dew
uuuuuuuuh
all of the models i've made have been kind of poorly made in that way but I can try
not in the rigging aspect, just the model
The best way to figure it out is to examine your own hand and see how it works
dim musk
thanks
hearty cloak
Question: How would I go on about doing to test the fingers of an avatar looking good in vr if i dont have a VR headset myself?
astral warren
If on SDK3, someone made a nice emulator plugin
Also, in game you can just use Shift + F2 to F8 to test hand poses, tho it may be hard to see
fading verge
how do i fix such a thing
i tried rotating the bone but it just rotates it and takes it off the other bone
crisp tendon
import with automatic bone orientation
left stag
anyone here use substance painter?
crisp tendon
probably the wrong channel
fading verge
@crisp tendon how do i do that?
crisp tendon
armature tab, import window
fading verge
ok so i want left eye and right eye to be a child of 5, how would i do this
gah nevermind i got it, sorry for the dumb questions
dim musk
I am starting to think I may be better off just mirroring virtually all of my model, and creating vertex groups from scratch. mixamo didnt mirror well for me and now my vertex groups are all messed up.
the mesh mirrors but my current vertex groups do not, which makes any weight painting an exercise in futility
ivory kraken
Hey there, i'm having some issues at the moment with my model with full-body tracking on. Ingame the hips jut out backward, and I don't know how to fix the issue without messing up the weight paints.
ivory kraken
Yeah, I wonder if there's a way to move every bone above the legs backward a bit to see if that helps
crisp tendon
jjust grab the hip and spine and move them back
ivory kraken
do the hip-spine-chest-neck bones need to be connected to each other?
crisp tendon
it's better to avoid issues yes
next plume
I don't know why when add new bone make it to be parent/child ,then i auto weight my model because my new bone maybe not connect with mesh like many tutorial video then lay down on floor lol
cold kestrel
hey would anyone know why i cant add more to a weight paint? i went to object mode and back to weight paint and now its not painting anything...
crisp tendon
Screenshot ?
cold kestrel
idk what you could see from this but i forgot to do the shoulders and went back to do them and nothings painting
crisp tendon
Are you using the multiply mode for a reason ?
cold kestrel
it was just painting the best since i was just doing max weight everywhere
crisp tendon
if i were you i'd paint with the vertex menu instead
a lot more convenient for your model
cold kestrel
thats it though i used add and it worked. Im sorry i dont really know all the brush differences. yea someone was telling me that im not too sure how to exactly do that
crisp tendon
ivory kraken
@crisp tendon Thanks for the advice, I managed to fix the problem with the hips! Was splitting hairs for days trying to figure out how to fix it lol
cold kestrel
oh dang its that easy huh
burnt goblet
next plume
From game
But in unity
He dont have neck and shoulders that why i gonna edit in blender
If you interesting to add rig for neck and shoulders(maybe all jaw eye finger as well) I give this file
I dont know to do much lol
frigid swan
I don't understand, but a set of bones on the head, that named EarLeft and EarRight, look right in Blender and in Unity....UNTIL I apply the Humanoid rig.
Why would this happen?
frigid swan
Soo far, it had worked over several rigging adjustments, but after tilting head up from an initial resting pose being not straight ahead looking, but tilted down
it's as if the tilting up didn't carry over
crisp tendon
I assume you applied pose as rest pose ?
frigid swan
Yep! The resting pose looks like before the rig is applied in the video
Any other guess as to what's happening at the key moment when I switch the rig from None to Humanoid?
frigid swan
Not sure why applying the rig caused the problem but this is how I cleared it on each bone manually:
gentle horizon
for an animation I'm working on I plan on having the hips and spine bone be out of alignment
unity humanoid rig won't let that happen right?
like it'll force them to be aligned?
weary brook
How do you rig a tail on a humanoid avatar?
It has bones but I cant assign it to the tail mesh
frigid swan
The rig VRChat uses has nothing it does with anything outside the humanoid body.
You do your own customized animations
weary brook
Somehow the tails armature got merged with the rest which is why it wasnt moving
frigid swan
It should be parented to the rest of the armature, at the hips, like mine:
weary brook
Would I have to parent it in Blender?
It seems to be working even without parenting
haha nv,
nvm
If i just drag its armature under hips would that work as parenting? @frigid swan
frigid swan
I did the parenting in Blender though. Do you have an outside editor like it or Maya to do that in?
weary brook
I just dragged it under hips in unity and its all working now. Ty for the help
fading verge
so i somehow achieved to make end bones wich was actually exactly what i needed to make the mouth move on a avatar without it hanging open
idk how to redo that in blender
because i started from scratch because i messed up the last model
every time my avatar walks forward the back flys back the spine is set to dynamic but if i disable that it breaks the head and hair bones
how do i fix that?
crisp tendon
exclude the bones from the dynamic component
fading verge
if i do that it breaks everything except the tail
fr tho i need help, i need a end bone to keep the models mouth from hanging open
i cant remember how i did it last time
crisp tendon
@fading verge Then it's misconfigured
Unmap the jaw bone fromhumanoid configuration @fading verge
fading verge
in unity?
crisp tendon
yes
fading verge
then i wont have visemes
fading verge
this has a "special" mouth on it
crisp tendon
then it's not visemes
fading verge
but iv gotten the visemes to work before with the bones and then "end" bones
thats all i need
is to recreate those end bones
but i forgot how
fading verge
So I got a piercing from another avatar and want to bind it to the new one. It was previous a lip piercing but now its a snake-bite. How would I go about making sure it moved properly when the mouth does?
crisp tendon
Attach it to the mesh
bronze plinth
so i was told to come here and post my problem trying to make this thing work but the hands seem relly close to the face in vr chat, i tried makeing the arms longer but then they drag on the ground
and if i move the ball thing farther baclk the view is in the mesh wich makes it hard to see
crisp tendon
Couple issues too many hip/spine bones
Next issue is gigantic arms
You can fix the spine axis, but the arms will always be kind of odd
bronze plinth
like i said the problem i been having is the hands dont seem to be far enugh infront
thats why i had then long
bronze plinth
they seem shrot becuse they are long??
crisp tendon
Yes, if the rest of the body is not proportional then that's what it ends up being like
Adjust your body first then match the arms
bronze plinth
huh ok then , i will see what happens
next plume
I am not sure how make my new bone work with mesh body btw?
Even i auto weight this model and then model lay down like that my fingers still not working lol
Any solution for this?
another thing when i import this as fbx file to unity,unity freezed and wont work even i wait for 1-2 hours
crisp tendon
Apply all transforms before weightpainting, the mesh rotates around the bone, and your visemes may be broken, or you're exporting with animations
dreamy swift
How far is one supposed to set the View position on a character with a flat face? so far i've been fazing inside of my character lul
i wish there was a way to test the view b4 actually having to publish it and open up vrchat just to test out the model
manic marsh
normally everything connected to the head bone will get scaled to 0 on the local view so you should not be able to see the head when set up properly
dreamy swift
well i dont use a humanoid model
its a tv with hands and legs lol
Wat dis?
Im at a loss here LUL
ook so, the head gets scaled correct?
Does it work for EVERY bone named Head?
dim musk
Does one usually use the normalize feature whenever weight painting is complete?
keen vale
i really need some help here, when im removing weight paint from a bone it doesnt seem to effect anythng, the bone still moves as if i never did anything
crisp tendon
it probably still has weight on a child bone
keen vale
i tried remove all weight paint from my whole model, still doesnt work
crisp tendon
Then delete the vertex groups
keen vale
that seems to work
ty
welp, nvm
doesnt matter what i do, weight paint doest effect anything
i've tried deleting tje vertex groups so many times
nothing seems to work
crisp tendon
check specific vertices on that mesh to see what's affected
keen vale
most vertices had weights on them, but even after removing with the weight tool it doesnt seem to affect them at all
like i didnt even weight paint
crisp tendon
if it's blue it won't move yes
keen vale
thats what im saying
crisp tendon
but in your image i'm pretty sure the bones above would have red in them
at least one of them
crisp tendon
neck and head bone ?
keen vale
100% blue
deleting all vertex groups make every bone not do anything
which is very weird
crisp tendon
Select a vertex on the head that moves and check manually
crisp tendon
in edit mode, select one of those vertices that move
keen vale
ok?
crisp tendon
Then side panel Item, you can see the vertex groups
keen vale
the "hips" bone has 0 weights on it
but still does this
i've tried to weight paint that so many times
it just doesnt care
crisp tendon
can you post a screenshot of the item menu on one of the moving vertex ?
keen vale
item menu?
crisp tendon
keen vale
this?
crisp tendon
a vertex is a single point on your mesh
there are points on your mesh that move when you rotate the bones
select one of these point in edit mode
then screenshot the item menu
crisp tendon
Which vertex is that on the mesh ?
crisp tendon
keen vale
???
crisp tendon
i don't think you clicked on the correct thing
keen vale
when i right click it just shows me that
so...
i dont have that option
welp, i need to go anyway. thanks for trying to help
frigid swan
Still trying to figure out Digi-grade leg rigging. The sample t-pose rig from the SDK library at Assets\VRCSDK\Examples2\Animation is in grey, and my rig is the active orange outline, in Blender. Am I doing it right?
crisp tendon
Should follow the curve of the leg
frigid swan
Whenever I do that, Unity seems to straighten out my leg like a human
How do you stop it from straightening me out?
frigid swan
Ack, that's way further forward than I woulda guessed.
crisp tendon
You can probably ask around furry discord to get some examples of other digigrade legs, it defers a bit per model
otherwise it's custom animations, but that's much harder
frigid swan
Yeah, it's kinda a niche field to know digigrade leg anatomy.
frigid swan
Ohh no! I don't want to custom animate walking and standing and turning and stuff
And not seen many furries on here?
crisp tendon
a few, but there's so many furry communities out there dedicated to vrchat that they generally remain there
frigid swan
But development too?
manic marsh
custom animations? no thanks
spider ik with only 2 legs is where its at 
frigid swan
Hmm, saw shellfish of some sort (crawfish?) that seemed to have all the legs working independently...not sure how!
frigid swan
Ohh, there really is one?
Err, fascinating and curious but not planning to make such an avatar
But always be curious!
manic marsh
very well, i will send you a vid of the locomotion system so you can get an idea how it works doe even if you dont wanna make one yourself, its quite interesting
https://youtu.be/qOZGBVhGQwc (totally not getting paid to shill out this vid)
btw Ruuubick, when can we expect a fix for the execution order component its been broken since the open beta 
frigid swan
Hmm, there's some sort of IK for it?
crisp tendon
i thought scion fixed it on his own, or is that something else ?
if you got a canny
frigid swan
What is canny? Never used or heard of it before VRChat.
Is it a bug tracking service?
It seems like it!
(just looked)
manic marsh
well, its sort of kind of fixed, but its more of a hacky work around and for some reason quite inconsistent
frigid swan
Hmm, hacking is the fun challenge!
crisp tendon
@manic marsh lmk if there's one
manic marsh
https://vrchat.canny.io/avatar-30/p/bug-execution-order-causes-vrik-locomotion-settings-to-speed-up yeah, its the one you already seen
sweet rain
hey friends! I'm having a serious rigging issue on an avatar commission and I've never encountered something like it?
The shoulder have no weights on them, and yet putting my arm out causes it to do this
and this is my rig, like it looks fine from what I can tell?
I know vrchat can cause some minor pinching problems on the shoulders but I've nevr encountered somerhing this bad
crisp tendon
your shoulder bone is going the wrong way
fervent hornet
@crisp tendon Yeah I found a way to get around it so it's not high priority. Would be nice if it was fixed though.
sweet rain
@crisp tendon omg wait, what do you mean "wrong way"?
crisp tendon
can you do a top view of the model
sweet rain
yeah! just a sec
they go back a little bit, the original bones were from a booth.PM model that worked very well with this!
is it the pivot point?
I need to change myt bone view lol
crisp tendon
Are you sure they have weight paint ?
sweet rain
they don't have any weights on them, it's actually made them much worse lol
I ususally won't add weight painting on the shoulder bone
crisp tendon
There should be some
sweet rain
I added some and it actually turned out much worse! like SEVERE pinching
crisp tendon
Can you show the weight paint of the arm bones ?
sweet rain
yeah just a sec!
I'm doing similar weights to some models I've seen with great shoulders, but they were much less broad
crisp tendon
Same thing happens here when you move the arm ?
also in edit mode, clear the bone rolls
alt + R
you usually want the shoulder bones to be straight horizontally
to avoid other issues
sweet rain
actually, no issues show in blender!
and they barely show in unity
you know what it might be because the shoulder starts like, really far out
I'm dragging it in a bit and weight painting accoprdingly
crisp tendon
what about chest and neck bones ?
sweet rain
they're pretty normal!
it seems like I've started fixing it but I think it's got a long way to go
also a big thing, the shoulder isn't even visible in unity
when I got ot configire the rig
next plume
but i dont know why some new part like shoulder or neck work with mesh
only fingers not work
Apply all transforms before weightpainting, the mesh rotates around the bone, and your visemes may be broken, or you're exporting with animations
I dont know how to apply all transform?or just auto weighting tranform?
If you want to look
sweet rain
omg........we figuredf it out? we had to fix a bone rotation issuer and thatw as it
next plume
@next plume #rules 13 pls
@crisp tendon oh okay thren
omg........we figuredf it out? we had to fix a bone rotation issuer and thatw as it
@sweet rain What is that :0
next plume
Your neck model is missing as well?
But i dont know how to solve my problem any way
with my fingers that i just added :/
crisp tendon
Did you apply transforms like i suggested yesterday ?
next plume
Yeah i try object,amature deform,bone,bone relative
fading verge
Alright, so, how would I get this piercing to move with the mouth when talking?
I could just weight-paint it to the head bone but don't think that'd turn out right.
fervent hornet
You need to manually move it for all the visemes
fading verge
Oh, crap. Never messed with visemes before.
How would I go about adding the piercing to the visemes and editing them?
turbid spear
merge the piercings with the face and click on each viseme that moves the mouth in edit mode and move the piercings
or if they're a separate object, create visemes with the same name as the ones on the head mesh
move up the head viseme slider to see what you're doing and in edit mode with the piercing's viseme selected, move it to match
gotta do that for each
fading verge
So I've attached a few new additions to this avatar but for whatever reason, this happens
The only bones they're attached to is the ears (for the piercings) and head (glasses + lip piercing).
crisp tendon
fix that manually, takes 30 seconds
fading verge
How though? I'm not sure what the cause is.
My thought process is that they'd maintain their relative location regardless of head orientation since the bone they're parented to move with the head.
But obviously that's not what's happening.
crisp tendon
bone parenting is irrelevant is the weight paint isn't there
fading verge
Well, they should be 100% red for the ear and head bones respectively.
And if they are, no idea why they're moving so far away from their bones.
crisp tendon
because they're most likely painted to something else
fading verge
Okay, tried 100% painting them and didn't help.
Should I just merge them with the ear meshes?
Okay, removing the old weights, setting automatic ones, and then merging the piercings w/ the ear mesh seems to have done the trick. I also adjust the bone positions which further minimized clipping when moving.
analog sparrow
Does anyone know how to fix the bones so it doesn't look like I have a broken neck when I move
I don't know if this is the right tab to ask
crisp tendon
Yeah, post screenshots of your armature and weight paint on neck
analog sparrow
Oh yes I will do that now
i cant tell if this is bad or not
im guessing it has to much blue
crisp tendon
well that and your bone is not connected to the chest
crisp tendon
Which bone is that
can you take screenshots in orthographic perspective in edit mode
small harness
Anyone know a good rigging for Vrchat tutorial? Like from starch?
crisp tendon
small harness
Thatβs not what I mean but thanks
I know whatβs needed but not how to do it in blender
small harness
Thatβs not what I mean either, Im looking for a video to see the pipline of it. Idk how to explain very well sorry
small harness
Itβs not really. I donβt need ik bones Or child bones
Anyway itβs fine Iβll find something I guess
Oof at this rate Iβm just going to go back to maya
Anyway thanks
bronze plinth
Bone Heat Weighting: failed to find solution for one or more bones
i keep[ getting this warning and i have tried everthing, can i get any advice?
crisp tendon
you tried merging doubles and making sure there's no gap in the mesh ?
somber flicker
My friend is having an issue where he cannot paste a pose to the mirror side.
Any idea WHY?
Looking at the blender docs and every forum out there I can't figure it out
jagged badger
could possibly be because the groups and bone either arn't named the same or they don't have _L or _R at the end of their names
gentle plinth
help, i renamed the bones in unity
now i got the error that humanoid avatar isnt mapped
i went back and renamed them to the original names
but they are still this way
they are not mapped
i tried to configure the model again but it doesnt help
gentle plinth
yes
surreal anvil
What's a good way of rigging digitigrade legs? Ran into an issue on an avatar where the legs get pulled both forward when walking, and stretched terribly when standing. Figured rigging it up like a human leg would work but no dice
surreal anvil
Welp I can't read, I didn't see this, thanks!
frigid swan
I've been experiencing that, too.
magic pewter
Hi, I have a question about rigging, I've put riggs in my Blender file but unity say isn't animated, I did something wrong I'm sure, but what ?
N.B : I've add a "Animator" component but it' doesn't work :/
magic pewter
AW, How so ? ^^
turbid spear
they were deprecated a long time ago
magic pewter
I see ^^ Thanks ^^
so, how I upload avatar then ? (or prepare it, I can't upload avatar for now xD)
covert jay
why does the wing not move when I rotate it? It's weighted....
vague dew
Did you weight it to the wrong bone? i do that sometimes when I forget to select a new bone and it ends up weighted to a toe bone or something
covert jay
I was able to fix it, ty
ornate aurora
So, strange issue. When I move in game, things look fine, but as soon as I stand still or idle, my neck shifts to the side. Like so:
These are all vroids -- this isn't the first one I've built, but it's the first that this has happened to. Bones:
I've tried lengthening/shortening the neck as well as a few other things. Can't figure this out.
lost lantern
(I hope this is the correct place to post this)
Hello ~ i been trying to get my avatar working inside VRChat , but she keeps leaning forwards....
i tried rigify , mixamo , SDK2 and SDK3 , same results ... but she still thinks shes michael jackson after all of that... (link is a image that shows the isue : )
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/531546537382379520/756876348168863896/2020-09-19_15_56_20-Window.png
anyone has a clue what i can try? oh i also tried cats 'fix avatar' magic stuff , still same result :P
lost lantern
hey pucky , have u tried disabling the toes on the avatar? they are very smelly. no pucky , i didnt know that made any sense. thx pucky.
(isue fixed , had to disable the toes in unity ... i tought it was isue with hip )
sleek isle
descriptor too forward
fading verge
So I was combining assets from several avatars, wanted to add some custom-made piercings to the vismes so they actually moved with the mouth aaand this is what awaited me.
I still have access to the original head + the vismes, is it possible to just copy those over and have the vismes be functional?
mossy creek
How do You make the avatar T pose in Blender?
Cause when I do it in unity the model stays the same
crisp tendon
below the mapping there's a pose button
crisp tendon
then i doubt your mesh is correctly weight painted
odd summit
Is there a way to automatically make the tail of all bones move to the head of the child bone? Without using Cats?
crisp tendon
you can copy all transforms manually maybe
slim bear
anyone know if there's any way to get past the 4 weights per vertex limit? i know you can in unity 2019, but obviously that's not an option
i've been trying to just re-weight my model so vertices don't need more than 4 weights each to deform correctly, but it's very very difficult
dark current
hello. can someone help? I need to know what bones to create to rig my character. I know how to do rigging but unsure which bones to make and what names to give them
dark current
nevermind I found it.
thank you so much for all the help.
goodbye
feral aspen
the vrcsdk is saying it doesnt detect a left shoulder
i mean it looks good to me
sly dragon
Is there a way to make your knees bend in the oposite direction?
So instead of being forward like normal, can you make them bend backwards?
lethal granite
That sounds like an edit to locomotion
Since all that happens is the avatar blends between Crouch and Standing
sly dragon
Like, in the same place you edit the eyes?
sly dragon
Okay wow, i for sure have the 2.0 SDK i didnt know there was an update
where can i check?
lethal granite
It is a suggested update
lethal granite
hmmm
There is a LOT to learn in 3.0
And you will have to delete all notes to 2.0
If fact, it is suggested to make a whole new unity project
sly dragon
Roger, i appreciate that!
lethal granite
I suggest sticking with 2.0 if you aren't very strong with Unity
sly dragon
Im pretty confident with it, and i want to make avatars for people in the future so it would be best for me to keep going with the updates
sly dragon
Perfect, Thanks!
old kite
does anyone have any quick tips for copying bone weights to the opposite side in blender after i've already done the weight painting?
symmetrize just copies the bones
nevermind i think i can do it with vertex groups
crisp tendon
@sly dragon that's the wrong unity version FYI
sly dragon
@crisp tendon 2018.4.20.f1 is wrong?
crisp tendon
no that's the correct one, the one you mentioned you had was
sly dragon
yeah that was the version for the SDK i was using
not the unity haha
Thanks though!
sleek isle
lapis plume
Hey! I was wondering if anyone could help teach me how to rig avatars. Any videos or websites or almost anything related to this topic would help a new learner would be super helpful. The only experience I have in avatars in general is converting and mmd file to vrchat.
lapis plume
Ty!
agile vector
Hi! If I made a model, could one of yall rig it for me and send it back to me??
I suck at rigging and it isnt clicking for me, I just need the help on that
It would be an animal model, so it would have a tail and ears
manic marsh
8 
and its a deal
agile vector
Thanks, I'll hold you to that.
I'll try to do it on my own first, but if I keep having trouble, I'll contact you
manic marsh
aighty, can you send a pic of the model tho, might be able to give you some tips
rapid mauve
anyone know how you reverse a shape key so 0 becomes 100
mossy creek
Does anyone know why this happens?
crisp tendon
weight painting
dim musk
Do bone rotation constraints function exactly the same in blender and unity?
sleek isle
dont think so
robust crescent
@mossy creek check your bones, looks like when hair got added, the bones are attached to your spine/legs instead of head
mossy creek
Thanks
astral shore
why my avatar's hip would tilt left weirdly when a full body user uses my avatar?
agile vector
aighty, can you send a pic of the model tho, might be able to give you some tips
@manic marsh
I haven't made it yet. I'll text again to follow up once I finish making it
fair citrus
I made a test avatar to try to figure this out, Why does my avatar exist halfway into the ground?
crisp tendon
Because it was created that way
fair citrus
How can I revert it back to t-pose so My avatar does not appear to be halfway into the ground while I am in-game?
Sorry I dont know a lot about animation and I was just hoping to use the default humanoid animations
They seem to work but my character still has everything from the waist down inside the ground
astral shore
Drag the character into the scene to make a new one, delete the old one. If you try animating the avatar and pressed the play button it would go into motor cycle pose and break the avatar since unity just like to make things go that way. That's why people always make a duplicate of the model for animating stuff.
mossy creek
Im using the Nanachi 3.0 and for some reason the mouth stays open and the blendshapes wont close the mouth
lofty void
do you have the jaw assigned in the humanoid definition?
having it assigned while using blend shapes for visemes can cause that issue
stark musk
Anyone know how I can prevent this weird issue from happening when I look around with the head bone? The cord that's attached to the mask here detaches from the mask when looking up only with the head bone.
The issue too, is that I had to weight the cord to four different bones (the chest, left shoulder, head, AND neck bones), since all of those bones have an effect on that cord.
stark musk
@fair citrus You'd have to reset the position of it in blender, and then re import it into unity.
velvet copper
yeah, youβre having a weight paint issue
just makethe weight on the end zero on all the other bones then the head
stark musk
The end? @velvet copper
velvet copper
@stark musk the piece that attaches to the mask
stark musk
@velvet copper is there any way to fix this from happening?
Should I just weight the entire head bone to the cord, and then make it so the weights for the shoulder and chest aren't weighed to the cord?
I don't think the latter will work actually, since that same issue will happen wherever I end the weight.
velvet copper
smoothing the weight paint from the head should work
fervent hornet
You could always use fabrik instead of trying to fake IK with weight painting
mental moat
my rig works everywhere except ingame and I';m at a totall loss I need some help
basically the legs aren't working and I don't understand what makes a character stand in a specific way because there is the rigging in blender and in unity
fervent hornet
Its part of Final IK, you used it for the grounder on the spiders
For something like that tube, you can use a fabrik component and a fabrik root so that it is rooted to the chest and targets the face
Keep in mind that all Final IK components need to be siblings of the armature instead of children. All connections must be made using constraints
vague dew
Oh boy, I was planning on making a quadruped avatar using Final IK but not only does it seem excessively complicated, but there's no way i'm forking out 90 dollars that I don't have for something i don't understand
Someone should make an easy-to-use version specifically for VRchat that idiot cavemen like me can understand
mental moat
If you rig works correctly in blender and unity but not ingame what is likely the cause?
half grail
Anyone know a way to limit a dynamic bone's rotation once I have it in unity?
Nevermind, just used a stiffness distribution
fervent hornet
@vague dew Regardless of the ease of use, you need final IK to use VRIK to have a procedurally animated quadruped. However, you can look into using constraints to copy rotations of your main humanoid legs and then use a custom animation to compensate for that
ocean bison
can I ask about how you do bones for tail? or rather...what bone do you parent it to (like which bone makes it move?). I'd want to create some dynamic bones.
vague dew
Yeah, I'm not doing any custom animations. Unity's method of creating animations is dumb and i'm not paying for Muscle editor.
fervent hornet
You can take advantage of doing animations in blender on an FBX and export it as such, you can extract the animations from it and convert them to humanoid afterwards
@ocean bison You should always parent bones in a logical manner, so the tail is a child of the hips and you have a chain going from the start to end
ocean bison
thank you.
vague dew
Scion, since you seem to know a lot more about how unity works, can you please explain what an Animation Inventory system is?
I asked yesterday in #animation about how to make a gesture persist through emote, and only one guy responded, simply said "use animation inventory" without explaining what that means or how to set it up.
fallen bronze
Does anyone know how to flip a skeleton? The bones are weighted to the opposite side
fervent hornet
@vague dew animation inventories are an SDK2 workaround to get toggleable states via gestures or emotes. It's quite hacky and does not sync at all so it was kinda niche imo. If you want to toggle something on your avatar you should just use SDK3 for AV3 as toggles are naturally supported there
@fallen bronze Couldn't you just select all the bones in edit mode and scale them -1 across the x-axis to flip it?
fallen bronze
I can only do that for the mesh, unless you know how to do that properly
vague dew
I have no clue how to do SDK3 avatars, all I know is that it involves some kind of programming language and that scares me
fervent hornet
SDK3 avatars has nothing to scripting. You're probably thinking about Udon which is only for worlds
@fallen bronze You can scale the bones over the median point in edit mode and they will act like if you were doing vertices
vague dew
Oh? Well that makes it seem a lot less threatening
Just one more thing
Is it normal for bones to do whatever this is after hitting "fix model" In CATS?
fervent hornet
That can happen sometimes, you should make it so they point correctly
vague dew
Alright. Thanks for the help! Sorry if i was being an annoying bitch
mental moat
I need help. I feel small.
worthy moat
ok, so how would i be able to make a sub rosa vrc avatar? can i just use a mixamo rig or would I have to use like a specific rig or something?
clear verge
I'm relatively new to both blender/rigging. I have a background in maya with purely hardsurface work so this is all new to me. I don't quite understand how the hierarchy is supposed to work when attempting to add clothing to a base character model. I can scale the clothing correctly, rotate the armature to match the a-pose of the character - but I cannot reliably join the meshes. After a join, the hoodie reverts to it's default rotation and moving the base model pose/armature won't affect said hoodie. I cannot find anything related to my specific situation through docs or youtube, so it's making it hard to understand what I'm actually missing here in my process.
crisp tendon
@clear verge Tried Cat's armature merge feature ?
clear verge
I'm exploring all my options atm. I think I know where I'm screwing up. I was merging backwards I believe.
clear verge
Sorted it out, as I suspected I was merging backwards. Thank you.
left stag
Hey guys, never seen this before
Extra large bone between the legs that Unity is calling "Armature"
Any idea what this is?
It wasn't present in Blender
mild stratus
Probably just some difference with how the armature was first created.
left stag
It's not. I've pulled fbx from this blender file before without this
something recently changed.
I'm just not sure what
mild stratus
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
should be fine
Check the location of the object, then the location of the hips.
specifically the (unity) y axis
I expect the βArmatureβ be at 0, while hips will be something else.
mild stratus
ok, so the hips bone was moved, and the root of it wasnβt.
that should do literally nothing.
blender wouldnβt show it because the object parenting the bones isnβt a bone itself
and you wouldnβt have seen it before is other models had the hips at the same place as the root.
left stag
one thing
When I imported, and went to configure the armature assignments
Hips was set to this bone, instead of normal Hips
obviously I fixed that, but that's something I haven't seen before either.
mild stratus
Idk, 3D modelling is wierd, and you probably have more experience than me at it.
Should be fine as is though.
left stag
not fine
why does this bit of the mesh act like it's not paired to the armature
it moves with my head like it's not on a bone
lost narwhal
check the weight painting
left stag
question
if something has zero weight paint
like pure blue
does it not even act like it's paired to the bone
or does it stay put to the mesh
if it's a separate object
because
just as you said that
I was checking the weight paint
and it's painted to the front pelvic bone
like this
lost narwhal
it just needs any weight in it so yea blue means no control
left stag
See I thought no control = it wouldn't deform, but would still stay put on the mesh
lost narwhal
these bones hmmmm 
left stag
they're for skirts, control yourself lol
left stag
hmmmmmmm
If the weight it was painted was paired to bones that are disabled
would it produce this behavior
cuz the model was wearing the cup plate, not the skirt
@lost narwhal
another quick question
is there a faster way to set up an fbx in Unity
that doesn't involve literally starting with a blank fbx and adding all the components to it
cuz that shit takes a literal hour
mild stratus
You could make a prefab, that has a reference to the model which updates when you change the model.
@left stag
Iβve done it before and it works fine.
worthy moat
would i have to use a specific rig or a mixamo rig for getting a character ingame
cerulean silo
Is there a way to add vertices to a vertex group without messing up the weight painting? Every time I do it I have to. Or am I doing something wrong?
crisp tendon
what do you mean by messing up ?
cerulean silo
Like everything will work fine then I'll add vertices to the group and then go to weight painting and it's all weighed at 1
crisp tendon
because you assigned 1 ?
mental moat
hey Ruuubick, if a rig looks right in blender and unity but breaks ingame, do you have any idea what could cause that
astral warren
If you assign verts to vert group, all verts you currently have selected will get assigned the weight you have selected on the slider below the assign button.
mental moat
ah, good point
astral warren
Make sure you donβt have βpreserve volumeβ checked on the armature modifier. Unity doesnβt use that
mental moat
well my avatar stands correctly in unity and blender but doesn;t ingame, the legs jut forward at an angle
nvm figured it out
fading verge
How do I copy vismes in Blender 2.79?
The pre-existing ones I had got borked to hell and back at some point.
arctic jacinth
I have an issue with my avatar in full body. she folds when i calibrate my bones seem correct in blender but in unity theres some weirdness going on
like everything seems to be rigged correctly but when i calibrate in VRC i crumple over
i promise you thats not my posture
crisp tendon
@arctic jacinth can you take an orthographic screenshot from the front ?
in blender
arctic jacinth
@crisp tendon
crisp tendon
i'm gonna grab a video one sec
arctic jacinth
https://youtu.be/2sfTEBAl8sA?t=1725 i tried to follow this
but its not giving me any luck
crisp tendon
arctic jacinth
oki i connected it
crisp tendon
Do you still get an issue ?
arctic jacinth
i'll check
its still extremely borked in unity
for some reason it seems to be moving the base of that bone down
crisp tendon
Is that a fresh import or did you overwrite ?
crisp tendon
yeah you can't with bones sadly
arctic jacinth
oh what
crisp tendon
if you do a bone change it needs to be reimported
arctic jacinth
how do i go about that?
crisp tendon
to make the process easier you can use pumkin's tool
arctic jacinth
without having to redo everything manually
i have that installed
but never used it
crisp tendon
it's real nice
so export the one you fixed in blender as a new fbx, add to your unity project
arctic jacinth
done
crisp tendon
configure the new one as humanoid/legacy blendshape
arctic jacinth
where can you find legacy blendshape again?
crisp tendon
all configured ?
arctic jacinth
nothing's copied over yet but its on humanoid/blendshapes legacy
arctic jacinth
yep yep ready
crisp tendon
So in this image, gobbo would be your new one, and sensei the old one
all you need to do is assign those two, and then under the Copy Components list, copy to selected
i think that's the name
crisp tendon
ah, odd, select all i guess
i also suggest setting the skinned mesh anchors in the settings above
arctic jacinth
uhhh
crisp tendon
then i guess you would disable the old model in hierarchy, and go in play mode to test the dynamic bones on the new one
crisp tendon
ah, not all ?
ah
i guess the tool doesn't do that
@turbid spear How difficult of an option would that be to add?
crisp tendon
arctic jacinth
dw i can push her to green later
basically only thing holding it back is a ton of dynamic bones and 3 mats
so i'll just trim the hair and compress some materials
on the collar
:vibe:
crisp tendon
Sounds glorious 
crisp tendon
well, check first in playmode by dragging it around
arctic jacinth
ye worked fine
crisp tendon
and if it looks fine for dynamic bones then yeah go test it
crisp tendon
ah so it's 3.0
well that should be fine
i did forget to tell you to clear bone rolls in blender so that's my bad
hopefully it won't cause any issue
arctic jacinth
what the heck are bone rolls
crisp tendon
also, is your avatar scaled to 1,1,1 ?
bone rolls are inherent rotations that are kept between blender and unity
so that can mess with the IK
it's good to zero it out
arctic jacinth
yea its 111
arctic jacinth
okay im gonna try
if it works in one go im forever calling you the bone wizard
but after tonight my hopes are l o w
everythings been going wrong π
crisp tendon
i don't know if that's a good name
rigging can go wrong in so many ways, that's expected tbh
arctic jacinth
you saved my night though. 9 AM time for my totally normal sleep schedule to go into effect 
crisp tendon
have a good night !
arctic jacinth
thank youuuu :]]]
turbid spear
@crisp tendon materials do get copied if you select that
turbid spear
well, its not default because if number of mats is different then it would look wrong
crisp tendon
for sure
turbid spear
and the idea was to copy settings between more than just reimported avatars
also to protect dummies from themselves
crisp tendon
the best kind of feature π
solid crypt
Good afternoon, I'm trying to change the hairstyle of my avatar
When I changed it in Blender it got broke (Like I can't do the gestures) etc.. ( It seems that It's designed only for Unity)
When I try to remove the Hair parts of the avatar so I can put the new hairstyle, the hair drop down like the picture shown below.
Some parts seems really connected to the avatar like the shoes.. which I can't remove unless I remove the whole feet or using blender..
robust crescent
If you attach a hair in blender, and dont really assign the bones where it should be if you just merge the armatures togeather and hit 'fix' , bones tend to get attach to your hip/leg/or other wierd places, gotto set them back to head or do that before clicking fix.
solid crypt
You mean that I should connect the bones manually? also there are the shaders, they will be messed to and won't go in the right places.. @robust crescent
small harness
so i exported my model from blender as an FBX then reimported it in and it changed to look like this. is this something i should be worried about in any way?
oh wait oof
dim musk
should we be using rigify and generating the rig that way for our models, or is that unnecessary?
crisp tendon
That would be unnecessary
dim musk
a weight painting guide I am following looks like this on left, yet my arm is all harsh and sharp. Is there something I must do to make it look more smooth?
crisp tendon
does the bone above have weight paint too ?
dim musk
yup. the quads in the left pic seem to bend and curve around, while mine stay sharp
crisp tendon
try to smooth it out then
dim musk
what I mean is, the guy's arm edges are not lines, they are literally curved
crisp tendon
i can't see what their topology is from the image
but their weight paint is probably why
crisp tendon
it probably has none
fading verge
When I'm exporting, I'm using CATS though and have "export selected" with the armature chosen.
crisp tendon
you shouldn't need to do that
fading verge
Yeah, think that's what was borking things up. Got the armature working now in Unity.
glacial anvil
What does it mean when you attach an object to an avatar, and it simply disappears (shows a block+ in the hierarchy)
wheat tulip
@dim musk i have some good news for u blender 2.9 has auto rigging and automatically applies weight paint
dim musk
eh?! I already have placed all my rig bones fml
broken swan
Hiya!! I've been having this issue with my rig clipping through the floor for a few months now, and I never really seemed to get a fix from anyone so I thought I'd check here!
Essentially, my avatar clips through the floor to the hips. I did a quick chat search for a fix to try and not bother anyone, but after scrolling through all 14 pages of references to the bug, I still cant seem to fix it.
I've both used and not used a special root bone to try and fix this, no luck. I have a few screenshots of the issue.
It doesnt occur locally which is why I hadnt noticed this until more recently, but everyone else can see it.. -v-
half grail
I always set my root bone's origin to be at 0,0,0 and don't get that problem, perhaps try that?
either that or apply hip bone's transforms to make it zeroed out?
broken swan
No luck with 0,0,0.. Changing the hip bones settings in the Muscles & Settings menu doesnt save it..
broken swan
Yeah, thats what I meant.. Shouldve said that.
one sec
This is the current layout, with the root bone at 0,0,0 connected directly to the hips
half grail
Reparent the hips to the root but make sure it's connected, not offset
Adjust accordingly
broken swan
Still nothing bleghhh
broken swan
How do I check that? I thought it was just 0,0
half grail
Where's the little cursor with the movement pointers when you click on the model?
broken swan
assuming I did the right thing, it's 0,0
zealous cypress
clickin on ur body mesh what is the Z value in Transform?
zealous cypress
do u have an orange "point" at bottom of avatar?
broken swan
It's green, but its the only point visible..
zealous cypress
just ignore the FBT thing. try this Resetting Origin Point at 17:33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sfTEBAl8sA
broken swan
Sure enough, that did nothing
zealous cypress
ehh what is ur "root" bone aka should be the Hips
broken swan
Having the hips as the root didnt work, moving the hips 0,0 just made it worse..
I set up a special parent bone that is at 0,0 while keeping everything in the same place
it parents the entire armature
zealous cypress
and u tried with this setup? having no bones before the hips
broken swan
Yeah
Having the hips as the root didnt work, and moving the hips 0,0 just made it worse..
@broken swan
zealous cypress
i assume u tried the last post in the pins aswell.. ehh at this point i would just save it and reinport it
followed by "Fix Model"
broken swan
This was a self made model so reimporting it will be a pain in the ass
but, moving the bottom of the hips to 0,0 also didnt work
zealous cypress
ur not supposed to move the hips down to 0,0
broken swan
thought that maybe if the entire bone stretched from its original point to the origin
yeah it didnt
small harness
testing out tracking in blender and it just moves the eyes out of the body
does anyone know what could be causeing this?
turbid spear
Apply transforms maybe
If you're doing avatar 3.0 you don't need to test it in blender
Because you can just set the angles you need in unity
small harness
so i have a question, can one use both bones and edit mode on the mesh to make one viseme?
i feel like i cant because going into edit mode means the mesh is changed back to the orginal pose and not the posed version with the rig
mmm maybe make shape key with the bone then edit it in edit mode?
small harness
for creating blink shape keys how do i go about mirroring the effects from one side to another? or do i instead use just one shape key to blink both eyes?
turbid spear
You can but I don't know how
Look up how to make visemes with bones I guess
Oh yeah
Pose your bones how you want, then go to modifiers and under armature click on apply as shape
Then in pose mode reset pose transforms
To move bones back to where they were
Then add the armature modifier back
rigid fiber
small harness
should have said i worked out how to do the other stuff, just not how to do the blinks for both side the same
also ahh yeah
well rigging involes a few main steps, bone placement, bone orinetaion (this dosent matter really for vrchat i find) and bone weight painting
i personally dont think rigging is the hardest thing but it can take the longest to do right
umbral hinge
I have NO CLUE how to animate the mouth or eyes or eyebrows on this model. Its overwhelming. Who's got a direction to point me in?
manic marsh
just make a blend shape for each facial expression
crisp tendon
@umbral hinge Create new bones specifically for the jaw and nose, and move those to make new shapekeys
Same for eyebrows if you want
ripe coral
when I have my arms straight down, they start to bend, this doesn't happen when I do a T-Pose. how do I fix this?
crisp tendon
@midnight sand might know since he made it 
sleek isle
Chance your height
And vrc let your arm a little louse so you don't pull your body every time you extend your arm
ripe coral
I don't pull my body
sleek isle
See
ripe coral
whenever I set my height in VRC from 5'9" to 5'5" the arms fix itself but my feet are way below the actual avatar's feet
sleek isle
Your neck too short. Make the rest pose as a T. From the shoulder to the wrist
plucky hamlet
Could someone rig this model thatβs going on the Gmod Workshop Iβm in contact with the owner of it and heβs fine with it he has given me the models and textures all I need is for someone to rig the models to VRChat as I lack the skill for that https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1546381162226712899/DC3065B866B45A244D5B6436AF1308E3228F29C3/
robust crescent
mixamo could rig it , then clean up oddities after
next plume
My model rigging still not work
Only fingers that i add not work
shoulders neck work
dim musk
the skirt joint bends at the knee nicely when leg is forward in a seated pose, but when I bend it backwards, the skirt bone doesnt bend at a nice spot. What should I do here? add more bones? Currently using rotation constraints
crisp tendon
why is the lowr back constraint bone so small compared to the front ?
dim musk
a guide I followed said to set the back to around 0.5 and front to ~0.7
definitely need to tweak it but for the moment, the pivot points are what I must resolve
grave oasis
So i use Vroid to make my avatars, this is an avatar for a friend and I had to make the lower part of the hoodie alot more narrow manually in blender since I couldn't do it with sliders in vroid. When I put the avatar in the game, the lower part of the hoodie moves along with different gestures / faces. Why? I can't figure out what's causing it.
Sorry if this isnt the right channel for it.
verbal jackal
So Iβm working on my first avatar, and Iβve got the armature rigged, but when I test the posing, I notice some clothing doesnβt move with it and not sure how to have it move with the model. When I select them, it just says itβs part of the model and not anything separate, so Iβm really sure what to do
half grail
It's a weight painting issue
lapis plume
You need to probably weight paint it. @verbal jackal
half grail
and @grave oasis your problem is that the hoodie might have shape keys associated, you'll have to fix them
verbal jackal
Ok Iβll check for some tutorials and see what I can do, thank you
grave oasis
and @grave oasis your problem is that the hoodie might have shape keys associated, you'll have to fix them
@half grail yes!! thank you so much!
half grail
shy shale
I followed a tutorial and made viseme shape keys in blender for my model, but these keys don't show up when I import the model into unity.
Any one of these menus brings up only the "none" option
The model is only made of one mesh
surreal anvil
..what exactly is the "sil" viseme supposed to be? is it supposed to mean "silent", like as in no sound? asking b/c every time i load my avatar it loads in with the mouth motion i set up for pronouncing "sil", mouth opened, tongue pressed up to the top of the teeth. when i speak it goes away
also these visemes confused me badly the first time around, i animate lipsyncs in other programs but never have i seen some of these particular letters used
vast grail
one of my models (and it's recolor) both have the left hand aligned but the right one isn't
it's only when im in full body
I use legacy FBT
anyone know what's going on?
slim bear
anybody know if there's a way to make it so you're not limited to 4 bone influences per vertex? it's making having stuff weighted correctly nearly impossible
fading verge
Someone help me with this pls? (the neck snapping)
sleek isle
no
dim musk
how do I stop the feet from sinking into the ground in-game. Do the feet and toe bones have to be placed at z=0? I'd post an image but it isnt uploading
zealous cypress
shift + winkey + S, mark area and Ctrl +v here
dim musk
upload failed! here: https://imgur.com/a/A1hN2i8
zealous cypress
suggest u move ur foot and toe bone down to bottom of said sandals
sort of like this
dim musk
Ok
royal ocean
hey, IΒ΄m currently working on my first avatar but i got some problems with the bone structure and mapping of it. could anyone of you help me maybe?
well, my main problem is the mapping of optional bones like chestand fingers, but I cant find any options to map them
zealous scaffold
can someone explain to me this whole fullbody compatability thing with the hip/leg angle? ive been working with avatars for months and months and still cant seem to get one to come out right without using the CATS mod. its practically the only part in the entire avatar making process i cant do from scratch now.
crisp tendon
zealous scaffold
its like, with this one tiny exception, my rig is totally ace, too.
royal ocean
I'm struggling with completing the humanoid bone mapping rn. My (premade) avatar model does not have a chest bone (arms are attached to the spine) but I need a bone there to complete the humanoid avatar. How can I fix this?
the chest mapping point is marked as optional and I can't find anything to fit the mapping point.
turbid spear
upper chest is optional, but chest is not
Hips > Spine > Chest > Neck > Head
All needed
unreal shoal
Question about avatars : my friend made an avatar, and when he's on desktop and picks up things the right arm raises to point at what he's holding. However, when he uses a particular premade base, it does not do this, even after he remade it's bones
Does anyone know why?
frigid swan
What's the best way to fix the unusually low sagging shoulders when arms are lowered?
Wait, that linked video might help. Does it apply only to Full Body tracking or would fix with only hand tracking?
crisp tendon
shoulders barely move with non fbt vr, so it shouldn't be much of an issue if your rig is correct
small harness
eyes in unity get squished when i test out eye tracking
anyone know what could be causeing this?
also some bones are twisted, what do i need to do to fix this/ whats the issue causing this
found the issue out with the eyes
so yeah just the orinetaion with those bones, not sure what i need to do in blender to fix the issues
crisp tendon
If they get squished it means they're weight painted to something else but the eyes
small harness
yeah i found out there was a double up of the eye bones'
idk how i didnt notice it before though, anyway just not sure how to fix the twisting
small harness
ok thanks ill try that
didnt seem to take the issue away
the roll is 0 one these bones
do you know what locking it might do?
i might try doing a 180 roll on the problem bones
lol nope
well i also have the issue that my spine is like nothing. but im thinking it is a similar issue to the rotation one just with scale so what ever fixes that might also fix this
crisp tendon
your left foot is called right ankle
crisp tendon
Well that's what is causing your issue so up to you to fix it or not
small harness
is it? the whole arm and legs are swapped but no issues anywhere but the ankel and thumbs
i will try it but seems odd that its causeing just those parts issues if it is
crisp tendon
Check the individual names in that case
small harness
of the thumbs and ankels? they line up with the rest of their corosponding limb
still i might try rename everything anyway
mm i might just change the location of everything in unity
unless there is some easy way to swap names in blender, i imagine there is not though XD
lol i think i know how this happened
so re naming things in blender like fucked everything over???
fixed the issue though
might just need to clear roations and other things
looks like the weight painting messed up
god yeah this has messed it up so far
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crisp tendon
Not sure how you attempted to fix that but i'm going to guess it wasn't correct
small harness
i think i am close to getting it done
so im not chaning the names in blender, im just chaning the inputs in unity
seems to be going ok so far
crisp tendon
Fixing the names in blender would have been better
small harness
chaning the names in blender desotyed the weight painting, kinda weird but oof
i tried
thats what it did to the model
well this
crisp tendon
i don't think that's a weight paint issue though
small harness
it is. checking in blender the bones that are missing dont controll any mesh any more
well the weight painting is there still but the bones have lost any of its relation to it
crisp tendon
Why would they be missing ?
small harness
idk i normally use maya
crisp tendon
vertex groups don't disappear because you edit bone names
small harness
i mean relationship