avatar-rigging

[fading verge]

I see to be having issues with the legs on my avatar,
this is just standing still, you can see then kind of bend away from each other, on quest the legs kinda random turn a bit and the knees look odd

i got this model off the unity asset store and put it through blender with cats plugin to "fix" the model

this is crouching

[fervent vigil]

What causes an avatar's feet to rise into the air when looking down? Leg length didn't appear to make any major improvement.

[fervent vigil]

bumping

[quaint cosmos]

Usually view position, I forget if it's when it's too high or too low so you'll have to play with it.

Could also be the avatars feet not being at the origin when exported.

[fervent vigil]

hmm. i'll double check. Next time I should probably include the skeleton, huh? >_>

[quaint cosmos]

Skeletons are important.

[crisp delta]

her while doing some model work, i noticed what other people see is not what i see. for me. the fists are perfectly aligned with my hands. however. to other the objects are off the mark, or rotated. i am using parent constrains. some rigid bodied. but overall i am not sure why they ar behaving like this?

any idea on how to sync these to ensure everyone gets the same experince as i get?

[fading verge]

I don't know how I'm going to rig this or if it's even possible but I'm going to try

[fading verge]

I want to just make it a long wobbly tube with legs that mimic leg movement, currently looking into the latter- I want it to retain it's shape well with just a little jiggle, y'know? Like curly cartoon hair or cold jello, whether or not that's possible I intend to find out

[sleek isle]

@crisp delta go in vrlabs discord

[fair inlet]

What are all the required bones for an avatar?

Like does it need finger bones or leg bones

[opaque acorn]

Why does this happen

can i override?

never happened to me before

although ive never made an avi like this before

but it wont use a humanoid rig

and therefore not vrcs default animations

[fierce grail]

2 feet, 2 lower leg, 2 upper leg, spine, chest, 2 shoulders, 2 upper arms, 2 lower arms, 2 hands, neck, head
Yes, hips bone is optional.

[pine sapphire]

Hey all; I have a model that's been passed back and forth a bit from creator to creator.

It's got these "End" bones on the end of every chain; they're not weighted, and seem to be auto-generated; I've seen them before; seems to have something to do with Physbones. Can I just delete these? They don't seem to serve any purpose.

Let me know, thanks!

[fervent hornet]

When importing an fbx it will automatically create end bones, this can be disabled in the import settings before you let it in. Otherwise yeah just delete them

[pine sapphire]

Okay great.

[fervent hornet]

Should probably fix whatever is going on with the legs too though

[pine sapphire]

I think they're fucking with my physbones settings.

Yeah. I know. 😂 It looks scuffed; but hey the legs work.

It's some BS alternative rigging set-up that Cam did with twist and phys bones.

I'm not brave enough to tackle it; yet.

[fervent hornet]

Hey if they have a use you should keep em 🤷

[pine sapphire]

Their use: Thigh & calf jiggle. 👏

Very important. 😤

[fervent hornet]

Needs to be subtle, I hate the shit that makes their entire leg like jello

I swear some of these people have never seen a woman before

[sage patio]

lmfao

you don't even need that many bones for light jiggle

[pine sapphire]

This is the same model that has 4 physbones dedicated solely to UPPER BOOBA JIGGLE

[nocturne quiver]

hello, i have an avatar from a game that has a quite complicated rig, and putting it through CATS to try and port to VRChat messes it up. could anyone maybe take a look at it or give some suggestions to help?

[quaint cosmos]

I think CATS isn't working with recent versions of Blender, you might want to try an earlier version but I'd just re-rig with something like Mixamo rather than trying to make a rig not designed for VRChat work.

[nocturne quiver]

thank you very much for the advice, i will see what i can do with that :)

[real wyvern]

I've got an avi here who has very wide set shoulders in game which makes them look really bad, is there an easy way to change this either in unity or with the rig itself to stop that?

It's a very slim body type so with the default animations when the arms are down at the sides they're just naturally spread further apart from the torso than I'd like

[finite stratus]

umm so im having a super weird problem. my model when i go to prone instead of on the floor its like its standing same with crouch this only became a problem after i added some physbones to the model to make it more flowy and pretty. also veiw goes down but not body and these are custom prone and crouch that work on other models

this is me walking around in prone also this is a test model

its very creepy

[finite stratus]

id also like to make a sper flowy dress how would my froces be for that?

[finite stratus]

as soon as i turn off the physbone it works (phys bone is on the hip to contorl the botom of the sheet/body but it doesnt efeect the hips or anything else

with it on

[robust crescent]

do not put physbone on any humanoid bones it will lock your avatar

[fair inlet]

I have an avatar with a physbone on the neck and it works fine

So probably just specific bones mess up the humanoid types

[robust crescent]

'fine' in fbt putting physbone on a humanoid one will lock it up

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/physbones

Had one on neck once and it behaved very wierd in vr/fbt

[fair inlet]

Hm weird I remade the rig custom when I was fixing the model in Blender so maybe that was it

The physbone was just to make the head wobble around like jelly

[finite stratus]

Where should I put this phys bone than I’m trying to make it work like a skirt and hips made sense should I make an extra bone in the hips to connect them to that’s parented to the hip like how people do hair roots?

[robust crescent]

bone root or empty gameobject (if you like to break your prefab)

[finite stratus]

ill do the bone one since i think itll be a bit easier for me in blender. thank you for the help

[finite stratus]

i have 3 diffrent fbx one is model two are toggels how can i make this into one? because i want to make this model better and thats the main thing im running into making my model only meduim when i know it can be good or exlinet. i also want this model to be quest compatble so if someone knows how to do so without blendshapes would be nice

[sleek isle]

you can always upload the fallback as a separate blueprint, without toggle and such

[finite stratus]

thing is my friends are quest users and im going to be one most likely so id like the toggels

so i dont want it to be a fallback i will think of that for fallback tho

[quaint cosmos]

If the mesh renderers are included in the avatar, they're going to count against you in the performance rank, making them into a toggle won't change that.

You need to join the meshes if you want them to not be counted as separate mesh renderers, otherwise you kind of have to use shape keys or shaders not supported on Quest. By default, Quest users can display avatars that are Medium quality for Quest so that shouldn't be an issue unless they have an elevated minimum performance rank.

[sleek isle]

Be falbàck.

[finite stratus]

Thanks krampus I knew that was going to be the answer even tho I really didn’t want it to be. Loco as I explained I don’t want to make that I want to make my normal proper working model quest compatible and lighter on pc since it’s rendering less meshes meaning entering worlds it’s less time.

[sleek isle]

Even if you merge them in blender and use a bone to scale them up&down. You still have 3 materials minimum

[sage patio]

unless you atlas/bake

[finite stratus]

Thanks

[finite stratus]

ive made a pupet togel to change facal expreasions thing is when i leave the puppet after making the face normal it changes into the one i have at the top it even does this after changing int he model

is there a fix to this i dont want the model to be stuck happy

[finite stratus]

this is the tut i followed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU9NFJz2qls&t=2s

[whole tusk]

having some small issues with this model, sometimes in game the hips go at an angle without any reason, or one foot is lower then the other (one clipping into the ground while the other is comfortably on the floor) or the knee is at an angle.

[robust crescent]

spine - legs not straight , gonna have issues , vrchat locomotion also put one foot lower then other when standing oddly like this

without it

[whole tusk]

sorry, can you explain it in a bit more detail? a bit new to rigging stuff

[robust crescent]

try moving bones around similar to this , (even tho the upper leg is wrong on the pic its not excactly straight🔨 )

[whole tusk]

okay

thanks for the help

[whole tusk]

is a toe bone also needed for proper behavior? or is it not necessary? (avatar has toe bones but not assigned to the rig in unity)

[robust crescent]

nah, i usually unassign them since they can make me sink

[whole tusk]

okay

[fading verge]

I'm having a hard time finding out why those are stuck in the middle while I try to move my avatar

[robust crescent]

not weightpainted to anything

[fading verge]

how would I weightpaint it?

[finite stratus]

blender click armature than body and than up in the corner there Will be something that says objet mode it’s a drop down menu so click it and click weight paint mode than shift click or control click the bones you want to add weight to

[cerulean pebble]

did something just changed recently? i have anthropomorfic avatars and the legs are a bit bend to create effect of digitrade (animal) legs, in the past 2 or 3 days, everytime i calibrate, vrc is force-stretching the legs and the legs look horrible now in my avatars

this just recently happen, im talking about 2 or 3 days, or at least this week, before, when i calibrated, the calibration would respect the ofset set in the bones and would just attach correctly

[cerulean pebble]

This is the same issue im having, this just started happening recently, before, that bone offset was respected but just a few days ago, when calibrating fbt (or in 3 point tracking) legs are force stretched and it just loooks so bad in furries

[cerulean pebble]

This is a new issue it did not happened a couple days ago

[split wasp]

my avatars chest sticks out when in full body? is there a fix for that?

[fading verge]

Yes, Dm

[static gorge]

Looking for help to make a blinking shapekey. I tried but the eyes are wonky.

[split wasp]

anyone know a fix for this?

[robust crescent]

Check bones in blender if they are wierdly set up

[split wasp]

does it get bent back straight in game i assume, causing the bone above to point forward?

[robust crescent]

blender hard to see much in unity -

[fading verge]

I keep getting eyes not named 'body' in blender

[sleek isle]

You can make a new rig image if you want

[buoyant stone]

I keep getting blocked by Clyde. Does it try and check images for bad stuff too? I'll see what I can put up at least, maybe the weight painting looked suggestive.

Anyway:
With my latest avatar, it feels as if the chest is rigid, and the hips are placed too far forward after calibrating in FBT. Bending and moving shows the chest bone bends, just not much. I can also see inside my avatars chest when looking down, and it gets a lot worse when sitting down. The shoulders also move up and down with my head. This is all using "Lock Head" since I much prefer it. Lock hip does fix some of the problem, but it still just doesn't fit all right.
When sitting, it feels as if my hips are a lot more forward than they should be too.
I'd assume this is all with how the bones are placed, but after a lot of moving and adjusting, I still can't get it right.
Any tips?

Maybe it will let me post a video?

[icy sonnet]

I use the same one lol

[finite stratus]

Cool but I was having problems with it I got help form another server but still

[tidal ocean]

Is there a way to make an avatar move like a spider without the use of Final IK?

[astral quest]

im getting this error with my model already set to humanoid?

[sage patio]

never unpack your avatar

changing import settings on an unpacked model does nothing

drag the FBX into the scene again and don't unpack it

also, in the FBX import settings, disable Import Cameras and Import Lights under Model

[astral quest]

I had to unpack it to add the bones from the clothes to the rig

[sage patio]

no, you don't, and you should also be doing that in blender

[astral quest]

well I did and I just had to add the animator manually and it works fine

[sage patio]

if for some reason you don't want to do it in blender, you can still do it in unity by dragging the bones of the clothes on the names of the matching bones on the avatar

rather than in between

keeping your FBX intact rather than unpacking means you can update the FBX or the import settings at any time and not need to redo anything

[astral quest]

how would I drag the bones into a prefab without unpacking it first?

I tried that initially and it just said I must unpack the prefab

[sage patio]

you'll need to unpack the clothes, but not the avatar

doing it in unity is a much more messy process than in blender

and leaves you with duplicate bones

[astral quest]

I normally do weight paint in blender the clothes right to the sking but I always get weird stretches and things stretching in places that are supposed to stay still, do you have a good tutorial on adding clothes that isnt just pop in and wight paint?

[sage patio]

you can transfer weights from the body to the clothing for a good starting point

[astral quest]

thats what Ive been doing and alot of the clothes and such get weird stretches

[sage patio]

then you can smooth out the weights in those areas

use the Smudge tool to "nudge" weights

painting while the mesh is posed also helps

[astral quest]

ooooh I never new that was a thing

[sage patio]

if you want to be able to manipulate the armature while in weight paint mode, then do things in this order:

• in object mode, select armature, shift click body
• switch to weight painting mode
• ensure vertex/face masking is disabled
• ctrl + left click to select a bone
• R to rotate the bone (if you have auto IK enabled in pose mode, you can also use G to move a bone chain)

[astral quest]

this is so much helpful information none of the tutorials I watched ever talked about anything like that

[sage patio]

it's the kind of stuff you only learn once you already know basics

because you find yourself in a situation like "man it would be nice if I could do X, I wonder if it's possible (googles it) ah there we go"

it's very specific

[hardy pollen]

for fullbody to work well on an avatar, should the hips be big?

heres the location and size

[sage patio]

usually it's supposed to be small. and facing upwards. what is that big downwards facing bone?

[zenith flint]

Would i be able to add rigging to this? https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/games-toys/toys/scizor-pokemon

[feral sinew]

judging by the description of the model, you could, but you'd have to fully retopologize it

you could not rig it as-is

[zenith flint]

ok thanks

[hardy pollen]

The pelvis, but it rotates just the hips, the pelvis root is the one I need to use

[hardy pollen]

would moving down the pelvis so its closer to the legs fix the fullbody?

[real steppe]

ok so im having a bit of a issue with physbones to do with my amature how can i merge the armature together like moving it into a folder that i can just add 1 script onto instead of onto everyone

particularly all the skirt stuff

[sage patio]

in blender, duplicate the Spine bone (because it's already parented to the hips), rename it to SkirtRoot, and parent all of the skirt bones to it (only the first bone in each chain)

also those are not "folders" but bones in the armature

[faint valve]

Can anyone think of a way to rig mittens to pandabears base? I was thinking of using one finger bit im not sure how that will affect the humaniod rig

[sage patio]

thinking you would need to hide the hand entirely, and spread the weights across all 4 fingers

to hide the hand you could do it multiple ways

best way would be Poiyomi's UV Tile Discard feature imo

[faint valve]

Right now I have the waight paint for each finger bone seperate bit ingame there is obv a lott of streaching. how do you mean spread the weights?

[sage patio]

like the weights for each finger would be quite diffused

to avoid one finger causing weird stretching

[faint valve]

I think it might work[

[torpid burrow]

is there any other way of selecting the bones other than holding ALT?

i need to assign automatic or what ever

or is it possible to splice parts from armatures?

[sage patio]

it is

[real steppe]

how do i get to do that its not letting me select just the spine bone

nvm got it

[torpid burrow]

can i not merge these 2 points?

[quaint cosmos]

Change the child bone to be connected in the relations tab

[torpid burrow]

i just wanna rig the arm but i have no idea how to aproach it lmao

i havent really rigged a hand / arm before im just trying splice 2 avatars

[quaint cosmos]

If you look at the properties in the right side panel in edit mode and you go to the one that looks like a bone, you should find relations in there.

[torpid burrow]

also is there another way to select bones OTHER than by using alt when in that wierd bone/weightpaint mode?

[quaint cosmos]

If you go to the panel on the right that looks like an inverted triangle, you can select the vertex groups (bones) there

[sage patio]

ctrl + click

[fading verge]

Okay so, I am making a vrchat avatar with 4 arms and I am new to blender and unity and I don't know how to make the bones of the second arms to work because what I see in Unity the arms just go in a t-pose
But I want them to move with the upper arms and I don't know how to do that and I need some help on getting the arms to move with the upper arms, is there any tips on how too?

[sage patio]

the easiest way is to add a rotation constraint to each bone in the second pair

each constraint should have 1 source set to the corresponding bone in the main pair

then click Activate

[fading verge]

I don't, know how to do any of this

[subtle delta]

Hey everyone. I'm doing a little research on VRChat Avatars. I have a few questions about the process to create them.

1. Are there any absolutely required bones(joints) in the VRChat avatar system.
2. If there are required bones do the simpler rigs (like a realistic fish with no legs for instance) just not have meshes bound the the unused bones
3. Are there any limits to how many bones I can have outside of the defaults?
4. How are the non-essential bones animated? through script?
5. Any specific limitation with the VRChat rigs that is good to know about?
6. How are facial expressions typically controlled?

[sage patio]

1: humanoid bones according to Unity's humanoid animation system (mecanim). non required ones are toes, jaw, most fingers, upper chest.
2: even for a model without legs the bones need to exist, but you don't need any part of the mesh to be weighed to them.
3: not really, but VRC does count bones in its performance ranking. you can see the limits in the docs.
4: all done through animations via animation controllers in the Playable layers (in the docs).
5: be sure to use realistic proportions to ensure proper support with FBT.
6: either via hand gestures (animated blendshapes in the FX playable controller). can also control those via OSC to do things like proper face/eye tracking

[subtle delta]

Thank you for the quick reply!!! What is FBT, and where can I find more details on "bone performance rankings" (where is the doc essentially)?

[sage patio]

FBT = full body tracking. https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system

look for PC Limits (or Quest limits, much stricter)

@subtle delta

[subtle delta]

also just to confirm for number 4. You mean Unity's animation controller, correct?

[sage patio]

yes, but not the one that goes in the Animator, you leave that blank. you can add multiple animation controllers into the Playable layers section of the avatar descriptor, each one has a different purpose and configuration. they all get compiled into a single controller at runtime

in general, if you're animating non-transforms (like blendshapes, object enabling/disabling, material properties), that all goes in FX. any non-humanoid bone transforms (tails, ears, etc) go in Gesture. you will need to set up Avatar masks to limit the layers you add in Gestures to only animate the correct bones

[subtle delta]

this helps a lot! thanks for all the details

[subtle delta]

Sorry to keep hitting you with questions, but It's been very helpful, and saves me a lot of time when sometimes this info is hiding in the docs and harder to find.

1)You mentioned just the UpperChest is not necessary in VRChat. I noticed in Unity's humanoid system both Chest and UpperChest as not necessary. Does this mean VRChat indeed needs a Chest even though it's not essential in the Humanoid system?
2) You mentioned some fingers are not essential. Which are the essential ones? is it Thumb, Index, and Middle?

[sage patio]

1: I believe VRC mandates it even if unity doesn't, due to how the IK works.
2: I believe those are the ones required yes, but don't quote me on that. I do remember seeing something somewhere about some bones being requires for FBT to work, but needs more testing

Kon avatars don't have fingers, but not sure if the bones are still required or not

[subtle delta]

In VRChat are all the facial movements (mouth, eyes) in general animated by only with BlendShapes/ShapeKeys (no bones)?

[sage patio]

eyes are bones, eyelids are blendshapes, mouth is blendshapes

eyelids can be done via bones but only really useful if the eyes are very spherical

[subtle delta]

Any other bones in face besides eyes (in general)?

[sage patio]

there's the jaw, but only useful if you're not using blendshapes for speech and are using jaw flap instead. however, you can still make a jaw bone to help create the mouth blendshapes

so I still recommend making one, just not mapping it in the rig config in unity

[fading verge]

Question, how do I fix a model in blender that has an animation attached to it, without breaking or disabling the animation?

[torpid burrow]

im having trouble with the claws on the wickerbeast i gotta rerig them

[torpid burrow]

any ideas on how to easily rig these claws

hehe

[crisp tendon]

Use the gradient tool

[torpid burrow]

I think i might just be a bit too brain dead to understand the fingers

i want it to be a more smooth curve all around like the way the wickerbeast claws normally work.
Im sure theres an easier way of rigging it than complete manual im a bit brain dead to do that

[crisp tendon]

Doesn't seem like you're rotating both bones though

[torpid burrow]

thats how it looks but it just looks a bit... jank

[crisp tendon]

In that case you would just need to smooth the weight paint for both bones

[wicked sluice]

I wanna rig a blade

Well a chain

[rough hearth]

That's dope

[lapis axle]

Heyo. I'm making my first avatar and running into an issue with the thumb rig.

First off, Here's the hand in blender.

Bones are all named properly and unity auto-populates the hand bones on the humanoid avatar just fine.

The issue is that no matter what I do, I can't seem to make the thumb open-close animations in the muscle previews correctly move the thumb relative to the planes of the mesh

I've tried rotating the mesh elements to conform to the transforms that unity's doing, I've tried setting the bone roll in blender, nothing.

In addition, unity seems very convinced that the hand is "not in a t-pose" when first imported

[lapis axle]

Solution: I re-posed the whole thing in blender from an A-pose to a T-pose and fiddled with the thumb orientation until unity accepted it.

Once unity received a pose it liked it stopped mangling things

[lapis axle]

😭

I did it...I made something...

[sleek isle]

Native tpose better

[lapis axle]

I'm just happy I got it ingame

Hmm. Maybe I spent a million years looking at it and tricked my brain.
Well, whatever, learned along the way.

[sleek isle]

Shoulder need more influence

[fading verge]

can someone help me?

[sage patio]

do not use the "eye tracking" section in CATS

it's deprecated, it has no use in SDK3

you set up the eye limits in Unity

[fading verge]

oh ok

[fading verge]

what bout visemes?

[sage patio]

make sure you are using up to date tutorials

[fading verge]

ok

[sage patio]

if this is a VRoid avatar, you will need to use CATS to generate the viseme from the basic ones that VRoid gives you

[fading verge]

kk

it is a vroid

[fading verge]

Not sure if showing your nfsw avatar on vrchat discord is a good idea

[random mortar]

it’s just the base… i’m using it for testing so i don’t go through everything and have to go back and redo it all

thanks for the reply lol

[fading verge]

Thats kinda risky lol

[random mortar]

explain how it’s risky after it’s been deleted and censored

those versions aren’t even on my account anymore

[oblique oak]

hold on... I'm grabbing my popcorn

alr, i'm back, continue

[random mortar]

lmao

[fading verge]

Anybody could report you and use those pictures as a proof. You can get banned and get all your avatars removed from your account

[random mortar]

sure thing, you got my side accounts name and the deleted avatar id?

really was hoping this ping was actual help but lmao

[fading verge]

Ok sorry for worrying about you

[oblique oak]

aw man, I thought that would last a little longer

[random mortar]

i got some help with it so ima delete the post

[reef coral]

hey, i'm having an issue where cats doesn't see any of the shapekeys on my model

i tried unparenting and reparenting the mesh to the armature but that didn't fix it

any suggestions?

[sage patio]

@reef coral never use the Eye tracking section in CATS

it's not to be used ever since SDK3

it's removed in the newer dev version

[reef coral]

aight cool but i can't make my visemes because it doesn't see the shapekeys

[sage patio]

does it not already have visemes?

[reef coral]

no, i need to generate them

nvm i used the fix model option again and it just fixed itself lol

[dawn torrent]

I need some help. I get this error message, but no idea how to fix it :/ Tried rotating said bones, but didnt solve anything

[fading verge]

Me who always uses it: 💀

[sage patio]

yea, don't

[robust crescent]

most people do not use indev nor bother joining a discord to get a higher indev then 0.19.1 (blender 2.9x wich fails alot of things on that) - if you dont create those eyebones on old version they will go inside the head when using eye look rotations - so id ignore not making them

[hushed solar]

hey! i've encountered this weird issue where my avatar appears to be crouching and clipping though the ground, i've been told it's because my animations aren't humanoid.

i'm watching a tutorial on how to make animations humanoid, and their animations look like this:

whereas my animations look like this:

i also have virtually no options in my inspector, while the instructor has a dropdown list where you can specify the animations as humanoid.

why is this?

[quaint cosmos]

I could be wrong but I don't think humanoid animations are a thing. A rig can be humanoid which you can access via selecting the FBX file in the inspector of the model but I don't think animations need to be marked as humanoid.

I could be mistaken but I've created animations for avatars and never marked an animation as humanoid.

A humanoid rig will automatically play VRChat's basic locomotion animations but it is possible to specify your own in the models animation controllers.

[hushed solar]

i have the rig marked as humanoid already;;

the animation looks like this in unity:

the built-in animations seem to be working fine, save for the limbs not moving:

i've made a thread about it here:
https://ask.vrchat.com/t/why-is-this-avatar-clipping-through-the-ground/14781

[meager light]

Hey uh i need help with rigging a four legged centaur avatar if anyone can help me

[worldly trench]

Assets\VRCSDK\Dependencies\VRChat\Editor\EnvConfig.cs(447,28): error CS0117: 'PlayerSettings' does not contain a definition for 'SetVirtualRealitySDKs'

what does this mean and how do i fix it?

I’m using the right version of unity and the right sdk

[ashen plank]

if i wanted to make a snake as a follower, how would i make a slithering animation?

or is that type of animation already made

[sleek river]

His neck is like this, why is this?

[sleek isle]

is this image the issue or a reaction image

[vestal condor]

how do I join 2 identical armatures that have different meshes attached?

adding top meshes to bottom

[crisp tendon]

Ctrl + J

[sleek isle]

tire to répondre

[regal nexus]

The dress and everything is combined with the avatar but why isn’t it working

I gotta go to school in a few mins but I’m tryna finish this

[fierce grail]

Combining meshes is not everything, you also need to weight paint.

[fading verge]

Cause you need to weight paint it.

[regal nexus]

A sh I forgot about that

Ty

[fading verge]

Np

[brazen zenith]

If you don't have anything weight painted yet then you can use a data transfer from the body as a good starting point to get the clothes moving with your avatar.

[white ravine]

The boots and sleeves dont appear fully under the armature though they share the same armature, anyone know how to fix this?

[small escarp]

When my eyes are at 0,0,0 rotation, why are they pointed stright up instead of looking ahead?

[robust crescent]

eyebones should point straight up , otherwise you end up derp

[orchid halo]

anyone have an image that shows the best rig setup? Like, where to bend the arms and stuff

[wind swallow]

Ive ran into an issue im going to guess falls under rigging. A huge bone is now appearing right in the middle of my model when i import it into unity, it doesnt appear at all in blender and i cannot delete it in unity itself without deleting the entire armature. Anyone know how to fix this issue?

[dense estuary]

Im curious which bone is like the ,,armature" bone, to which everything else is parented

Like the one on the very top of the hierarchy

Should be hips :P

Seems like something weird with parenting is going on here

[wind swallow]

Ah i see! yeah the hips aint the first in the hierarchy, must of messed that up when adding the bowtie bones.

[dense estuary]

Yep, so you got your first possible offender :P

Update and try again :P

[wind swallow]

it seems like cause the bones wasnt connected at all, thats why it was messed up ^^" thank you so much for the help!

[dense estuary]

[grim locust]

So anyone know how to fix this as I don't know too much on blender but felt like I messed up on the rigging of the bones somewhere as in play he stands normal,sitting bit off, and afk is also way off but his arms are upwards. any help would be appreciated on this

[halcyon violet]

my bro did you frekjng model the avatar without clothes on

[quaint cosmos]

||I think most people model a base mesh without clothing before adding it||

[regal nexus]

I’m new to this besides this is like my first avatar? Watching yt tutorials kinda gets boring

[brazen island]

I'm trying to use Blender's Rigify (face only, torso is already perfectly rigged) and it kinda works but I cant seem to find any uh, pose libaries to use (retarget?) and I'm defenitely not making all the shapekeys (facial expressions/visemes) by hand, since now I have somewhat standardized setup. What do I do?

[sage patio]

@brazen island you can pose the bones in the face rig and save the pose as a shape key

if you have CATS, there is a Save as shape key button in pose mode

if you don't have CATS, rename your armature modifier to the name you want the shape key to have and click Save as shape key

[brazen island]

nah, the question was can i somehow press two buttons and get scuffed but comparable to mmd amount of shapekeys

in the end i made three visemes (rest is generated by cats) and three eyelids manually for now.

[dawn torrent]

Anyone know how to fix this error message? Tried rotating the finger bones, but didn't seem to solve the problem

[sage patio]

in rig config mode, click Pose > Reset pose

[dawn torrent]

Thank you!

[paper hinge]

Does anyone know if it's possible to make a bone move a ratio of it's parent when posing

Like if I rotate a bone 180 it's child only rotates by 90 or some other number

Is it easy to explain how to set it up?

[slate ginkgo]

Wondering if anyone can help me out- I'm super noob and so have only been buying clothes designed for my model (kikyo). Most go on fine but I'm having an issue with these shoes: https://booth.pm/ja/items/4114761 where once I'm in game they are located in front of my model's feet rather than on them. Any ideas? I'm using unity currently, haven't had a chance to get into blendr

[sleek isle]

If their vertex group are not the same as yours they won't stick on your feet

Maybe some do match names but you can always go in blender/Maya for the best results

[sage patio]

possible, but need more context

[kindred ermine]

Is anyone able to help me with putting custom sitting/laying down positions on my avatar? I cant' seem to figure it out @.@

[burnt goblet]

How much natural bend in the knees do i need in my armature?

Like i know you arent suppose to have them straight and just slightly bent like the elbows but how much or how little is enough?

[sage patio]

the upper leg should be perfectly straight, but the lower leg should be bent slightly. just a couple degrees should be fine

[burnt goblet]

Thanks!! @sage patio

[fading verge]

I need to copy bones for hair and clothing from other avatars to sync and fix toggles before doing any publishing. Is there anyone who is able to assist me along with the process of this? (Don't know where to post this but here it is).

[old schooner]

Heyo so uh

My avatar's arms flail weirdly and wildly

And hold things REALLY weirdly

[old schooner]

Update: Still flails, but it's actually kinda funny lol

[kind ore]

its definitely something you did in blender

im assuming you merged a bunch of bones or something? @old schooner

[waxen flame]

hello! i am rigging a model and this happens when i try to mirror the shape key for the right eye blink:

anyone know what causes this and how to fix?

[quaint cosmos]

Is the topology completely symmetrical?

[waxen flame]

I found that the glitched vertices are in fact not mirrored about two minutes ago lmao. Currently looking for a way to fix it without undoing the shape keys to reapply a mirror modifier

[rough mica]

Hey, I’m making a model from scratch but the armature completely refuses to connect to anything

If anyone knows how I could get it to connect please help my tortured soul

[quaint cosmos]

I assume the model has no weight painting?

[old schooner]

Dm me, I can probably help

[old schooner]

Not to my knowledge, no

All the bones appear as they should, both in blender and in unity

It's just in-game where they decide to throw their hands in the air like they just don't care

[celest niche]

I think this is the right spot for this? I have an avatar that has a toggleable suit jacket, which upper arms' weights break in unity for whatever reason and I can't for the life of me understand why. In blender they work fine

[celest niche]

Fixed by joining to the main mesh and then separating it. No idea why that fixed it but ya

[pure dome]

quick question, i keep occasionally seeing humanoid armatures with an upside down hips bone, is that fine for vrchat or does the bone have to be pointing up with the spine bone's head connected to the hip bone's tail?

[sage patio]

it's an old "rig hack" to try to improve FBT IK. it is not needed anymore, your hip bone should be pointing up

[pure dome]

would it cause problems if someone were to use a rig like that in vrchat?

[sage patio]

IK2 is designed to try to be more rig-agnostic, but rig hacks like that are called as such for a reason, they are like a "band aid" fix which may break in the future

so it should work fine but may not forever

it's a simple fix, I would recommend just fixing it

[pure dome]

alright, this isn't actually for my model i'm just collecting info for a future youtube tutorial

[sage patio]

youtube tutorial? interesting

what is it about?

[pure dome]

making animations for vtuber avatars

i'm messing around with IK controllers in blender, and the example i found has an upside down hips bone in order to make the spine IK work i think

.....actually i think this IK works just fine even if i flip the hips right-side up so whatever.

[pure dome]

one other question, is it still recommended that you leave a slight vertical gap between your hip bone and thigh bones? i remember reading that once but i also had someone tell me you actually want them perfectly in line with each other

[sage patio]

yes, there should be a gap

[pure dome]

alright

[sage patio]

this is mostly accurate, but there have been a couple of changes sincew IK2

notably, that the large Chest bone can be divided into chest and upperchest

[pure dome]

oh god where was this image when i was trying to figure out what the optimal way to have all your bone setups was

i could never find anything telling me whether or not for example the shoulder bones should be fully flat for example

[sage patio]

that one is a bit more complicated

[pure dome]

oh?

[sage patio]

that shoulder placement should work fine, but there can be other factors

also here you go

should be mostly fine

[pure dome]

ohhhh thank you this is delicious

what other factors are you referring to, im curious

also where did you download this template from? if theres an official page i can link to people i'd like to do that

[sage patio]

real life shoulder width (which can vary a lot due to biology), body proportions, avatar proportions, how much shoulder mobility you want, whether or not you're using arm trackers, etc

view point position also matters

[pure dome]

oh you mean in terms of how long they should be? im just asking whether or not they should be totally flat as opposed to tilted up or down

[sage patio]

that also depends on the avatar in question. flat normally works, but I've also had good results with the head of the shoulder bones placed a bit lower or higher

example

[pure dome]

so basically just go with whatever seems right as long as theyre not tilted too crazily?

[sage patio]

basically, but it might also be subject to change on a per user basis

or per avatar

it's a bit more of a gray area

I don't think I know enough about that to say for sure

worked fine on that model though lmao

friend who I made that model for hasn't tested it in VR yet but I suspect it should work fine

[pure dome]

there's some odd bone rolls in this armature template fbx, does that matter?

[sage patio]

to be honest I haven't looked at that file in a while, but it should be fine to clear them

it's probably due for a revision

but should not be far from optimal, whatever that optimal may be

[pure dome]

i just noticed this thumb only has two bones, do you know what's up with that?

[sage patio]

that should work fine but you can add another if you'd like

like I said it's probably due for a revision lol

[pure dome]

shit well if you happen to remember me when it gets revised let me know

[quaint cosmos]

The topology is bad but I think the ReadyPlayerMe rig uses pretty good practices in terms of its rig setup for VRChat.

[pure dome]

oh, where can i download that to look at it?

[quaint cosmos]

Still can't fathom how a company that VRChat promotes so much uses badly decimated topology but the rig is solid. If you create a character here, there's an option to download it as an FBX at the end. https://readyplayer.me/

[pure dome]

i dont suppose theres a link to a pre-existing one somewhere so i dont have to go through the account creation and stuff

[quaint cosmos]

Used to be simpler but it looks like they updated it to export a glb and use an A-Pose which kind of sucks vs the old T-Pose. I found an old old and deleted the unnecessary end bones. It's pretty similar to the one Sacred posted earlier.

Though it looks like they also improved the topology of the models so I guess that's a plus.

😌

[pure dome]

mmmmm

yeah pretty similar, except the hand goes up like this for god knows what reason

[quaint cosmos]

Yeah, that is a little peculiar. The RPM hands move well but the humanoid configuration in Unity is probably modifying that to be flat.

[pure dome]

i am seeing a couple other differences, that previous example has almost perfectly verticle hip and head bones whereas the RPM ones are tilted

......do things like that even really matter?

[quaint cosmos]

I use RPM avatars and they move well, no visible hip tilt or anything in VRChat so it doesn't seem to cause any issues. I don't use FBT but I know people that do and use RPM avatars with FBT and they look good there as well but I don't think I've ever used the armature that Sacred posted so I can't say it works any worse.

[strange dagger]

any rreason why the jiggle physics does this to the butt and doesnt recoil when going up and down ?

[umbral lichen]

Is there a strict way on how an armature is supposed to look in order for it to work well with full body?

[sleek isle]

Straight

[fading verge]

didn't this rig break for fbt or am I thinking of something else? I'm actually rigging something right now but having rigged anything in literally a year

[sage patio]

probably something else? that one works mostly fine iirc, probably a good idea to split up the chest bone though

and also straighten up the spine a bit

[crystal shell]

Advice needed? Im using Nomad sculpt here, this is my second model made from scratch. First one I am trying to sculpt a riggable face. I’m not sure what’s left to sculpt before retopologizing in blender. Currently working on mouth. What should I focus on next?

[radiant rune]

What is going on with my teeth? I have them joined together with my head, so they should share the same origin point. Any idea on how to fix them?

[crisp tendon]

Eyes for sure !

[crisp tendon]

Make sure they don't share weight paint with other bones on your armature

[desert zenith]

still having this problem

looks fine standing still but my head moves weird when i walk too

[bleak sapphire]

Could somebody lend me some knowledge with blender? My current idea is to have a small avatar inside the bigger robot avatar that mimics the big robots movement, could somebody give me an idea of how to do that within blender?

[sleek isle]

TV seen to be skinned to the hip

[desert zenith]

?

[crystal shell]

Yea but to like what extent. Should I just carve out eye cavities, and worry about making the irises and pupils in blender. Should I makes eye lids separate objects? Like how much more should I sculpt here vs Mesh edit? Idk if I'm making sense, I'm learning the work flow.

[sage patio]

modeling those pieces of fluff can make it harder to unwrap, I recommend modeling them separately and blending them in with custom normals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgVEdS6sZsk

[fading verge]

is there a scripting channel or somewhere to ask about physbones?

I tried help channel but no one knows I guess

[quaint cosmos]

I think this channel is fine. What is the issue?

[fading verge]

it's telling me I need a license for the vrc physbones... is this something we need to purchase now?

[quaint cosmos]

No, not that I'm aware of. Can you post a screenshot of the error?

[fading verge]

it's not an error I can't see an error in the chat x. x

[quaint cosmos]

Did you maybe install any prefabs? Is this on a purchased character? Because I don't have any license and I don't get that.

[fading verge]

hmm... well I did get some assets from unity. it could be that. i'll try making a project without them

[jolly frost]

I Have a file of a Avatar that a friend found on a old hard drive, i extracted it from the drive but it needs to be formatted or something to the current version of unity that vr chat uses and needs bones and maybe needs its mesh's fixed not sure, Any one know how to do this? I can send you the file if you could fix it

[fading verge]

yea I think it was the new assets. thewy bungled up my scripts xD I only added maps from unity assets this time and the collider is all good

ty 😛

[dusky willow]

Does anyone here know how to add gogo poses and physbones to avis? I've made a vroid avi, fixed issues in blender, fixed materials and textures and everything in unity, uploaded to test her, everything works good. My first avi. Just don't know how to add hair and outfit and ear movements etc. And gogo poses. If anyone could help, that would be amazing. I'll even give you the avi if you like it

• also making crossplatform

[crystal shell]

Thank you, very nice tip. Much appreciate

[kind ore]

physbones and the gogoloco poses would be simple enough to add. ear movements is also relatively simple, i can give some advice

venture to youtube tutorials to start with for gogoloco

[dusky willow]

Figured out gogoloco, and physbones. My next thing is gestures/facial expressions, clothing toggles, hair color changes etc.

[valid relic]

Is there a better, or at least more clear guide to VRC rig naming?

[kind ore]

ping me at anytime if you wanna go through toggles, hair colour shifts, etc. unity related things i can run through with you fairly quickly

[dusky willow]

right now im trying to figure out the right physbone settings, then add gestures/facial expressions

ive got gogoloco down, and know how to edit the physbones, but im having an issue getting to where i can move the avi around to test the physbones

@kind ore

[kind ore]

@dusky willow simply have the avatar in playmode, that should do it

[dusky willow]

Got it. Added gestured. But now it's doing really odd things in game. Idk how to explain. Would you be able to look at it with me sometime later today or tomorrow?

[kind ore]

sure

[main dust]

Having problems doing weight painting

[main dust]

Hello

Hello???

[bronze ridge]

Why is the transfrom number so high? for just the hair? and how can I reduce this insanity?

[sage patio]

every single bone affected by a physbone counts as a transform

if you have a bone chain that has 20 bones and you put a physbone component on the first one, you have 20 physbone transforms

[coral sand]

Is anyone willing to help me finish my avatar's weight painting? I'm almost finished with the avatar in blender, all that needs finished is the spine, hands, and maybe the hood, I've got everything else though setup I believe

Ping me or request to message me if you're willing to help

[dusky willow]

Are you available now?

[dusky willow]

If so, just dm me

[kind ore]

im actually out right now, sorry lol

[dusky willow]

That's ok

[manic junco]

I'm looking to optimize my avatar specifically to my proportions to get the best possible results from FBT ( i have a lot of issues with the avatar's legs bending when they shouldn't, i think it's because the avatar's legs are longer than mine) what's the best possible way to go about this? i was just going to resize her limbs based on a picture of me but i wanted to see if anyone who's way better at rigging than me has ideas.

[robust crescent]

https://github.com/triazo/immersive_scaler , some tweak after if needed - used it on several avatars now , can touch the ground without floating up / other wierdness

[manic junco]

thulen i just wanna say u are amazing, you've helped me with so much LOL

[true quest]

i cannot upload shit because of this bruh

[analog totem]

Wrong channel and check if you have the android version of unity installed and also don't use the sdk for changing modes most of the time it breaks it rather then working just do it manually it's like two or three more clicks

[burnt goblet]

Does the SDK include any base rigs anymore that are good to build off of for FBT? Or do i need to just keep experimenting until i find something that works with my height?

[sage patio]

you can use the Immersive Scaler addon for blender to auto proportion your rig to more realistic standards

[true quest]

wym "android version"

[true quest]

ah!

thank u

[flat zodiac]

how does one add bones to a model that has not enough bones?

[coral sand]

I finally fixed my avatar but I have to rotate the knees correctly and idk what side is what, front or back, and I need to fix the finger tracking, if anyone knows how to fix this, please dm me

my avatar is 90% fixed

[carmine lynx]

Does anyone have an unrigged model file of gray fox

I’m trying to learn to rig

[sage patio]

you can just... delete all vertex groups and/or delete the armature from a model

[carmine lynx]

I can’t find one tho

Like a model at all

I’m completely stupid and confused

[sage patio]

consider looking on vrcarena for a fox model and where to buy it

[carmine lynx]

Thanks

[umbral solar]

What part is rigging when making an avatar?

Bones?

Bones for animations, specifically? I don't know the terminology.

[quaint cosmos]

Rigging is bones and the weights that tell the model what the bones should do. Also things like constraints and IK if you want to get fancy.

Bones for VRChat are mostly used to tell the model how to deform when playing the built-in avatar animation set but you can also use custom animations or use them for physbones which have physics properties.

[umbral solar]

What do weights do? @ me thx

[quaint cosmos]

They assign different parts of the mesh to a given bone so if you weight the head bone to the foot, the foot will move when the head moves.

Without weights, a rig doesn't affect the mesh at all.

[odd tapir]

So after exporting to Unity, the mesh gets deformed like this. I tried Applying all trasnforms, reseting the rig in Unity, remapping etc. Any ideas how to fix this issue ? I exported using CATS

[lone dragon]

I see bones, maybe it's an issue with bones, try importing the export and reexporting

[carmine lynx]

Ok I think I’m doing good

[restive garnet]

Anyone here know ho to transfer weight paint, I'm trying to parent a piece of clothing to my model, but im not sure how to parent it without clearing the previous weight paint on it

[sage patio]

the "weight paint" you're talking about is just the vertex groups on the mesh

changing the parent does not affect those

if the vertex groups have different names than the bones in the new armature, it won't move properly

also, make sure that on the mesh, your "Armature" modifier is set to the correct armature

[restive garnet]

Thanks a lot, still new to blender, Ive been on this for the past 3 hours

Who knows how much more time youve saved me

[sage patio]

one more thing

depending on what kind of clothing it is, you might be better off scrapping the weights entirely from the clothing and projecting the weights from the body to the clothing instead

[restive garnet]

Ahhh I see, I did not know you could do that, that's super interesting, is it the same as choosing the correct armature for the mesh

[sage patio]

no, you either use the Data transfer modifier or the Transfer weights function in weight painting mode

the best way to picture is if it you're trying to weight paint a basic shirt

make sure the shirt is properly fitted, and then transfer weights from the body to the shirt

[restive garnet]

Sweet thanks for the help!

[spare locust]

wrist twist bone works fine in unity but gets squiggly in game. am i setting up the constraint properly?

[sage patio]

the weight should be 0.5, and you should reduce the forearm twisting in your rig config

click your FBX, go to Muscles and settings, set Lower arm twist to 0.05

[tawny musk]

how to fix this without hitting fix model

[robust crescent]

Mesh not named body (maybe)

[brazen island]

why do you even need to import through cats?

[tawny musk]

yeah thats the prob idk how to fix it

[tawny musk]

export

[tawny musk]

and it tells me the problems

[sleek isle]

first humanoid joint not the first child probably

we always have to guess, never enough info. warning are important to mention

[quaint cosmos]

If the problem is that the mesh is not named Body, double click the mesh and name it Body

[tawny musk]

it is

[brazen island]

@tawny musk you can just export fbx from blender: fbx units, only selected mesh+armature (select them first obviously), should be fine. as long as it has no animations

[tawny musk]

no animation just blendshpes

[tawny musk]

theres many meshes

[brazen island]

select all

[tawny musk]

so select meshes then armature??

[brazen island]

order doesnt matter, just dont select any junk or multiple armatures

[tawny musk]

got it THANKSSSSS

[restive garnet]

I'm having an issue where the SDK is telling me that my Avi is not imported as a Humanoid Rig, but I have set it up. Here, anyone else getting this issue?

[karmic plank]

click your avatar parent, check your Animator and make sure there is an actual avatar to be controlled and it is not empty

[devout epoch]

o wut da

[hardy drum]

is in ur avatar

press the avatar and look right tab

[restive garnet]

that did it, thanks

[sage marten]

So I have a question I’m pretty new to making avatars and I have this model a friend has made for them it came pre rigged but was a blender model and when converted to a unity file and uploaded it is stuck Tposing one of my friends said I would have to completely fix the rigging I have no experience with doing this so could someone give me a few tips on what I can do to fix it

[quaint cosmos]

Did you change the rig type to humanoid?

[sage marten]

Yes

The model is missing certain bones that are normally required

Like shoulder bones

It’s a fnaf animatronic oc they got made but it was made for blender animations

[quaint cosmos]

If it just doesn't have certain bones that Unity requires for humanoids, you might just have to re-rig it or make it generic and use your own animations but that's pretty complicated if you aren't familiar with animation and animation controllers.

[sage marten]

The most complicated thing I know how to do is use a radial puppet to scroll through materials

And I have never rigged an avatar before

[quaint cosmos]

You can use Mixamo.com for automatic rigging but you will need to do some weight painting to make it move well.

[sage marten]

I could try that but I don’t know what you mean by weight painting

[quaint cosmos]

It's what tells the bones what parts of the mesh they should move https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fICQmBEt4Y

[sage marten]

I also showed the avatar to a friend of mine and he said I might have to move the legs apart a bit because they said to him it looks like the legs are too close together and mixamo might glitch

[quaint cosmos]

It might, or it might just weight some parts of one leg to the other leg's bones which you can fix with weight painting but a bit of distance between the legs will improve its automatic weighting.

[sage marten]

Alright I’ll try this out and let you know if it works

[sage marten]

Yeah mixamo is giving me an error it might be because the model came pre rigged but I tried removing the rigging and it removed all the textures as well

[quaint cosmos]

I'm not sure on that one but you have to apply your materials in Untiy anyway so it shouldn't really matter

[sick parcel]

Hey can somone help me with my unity rig

It seems to work fine on pc but in vr it has like opposite arm movement

[sick parcel]

its like opposite

[hardy drum]

did u assigne bones right

[ebon vector]

I don’t think

[sage patio]

@sick parcel did you name left/right based on your view rather than the avatars left/right?

[sick parcel]

IMA dm u

[sage patio]

...why?

[brisk bobcat]

I'm probably missing something dumb, so I'm asking for help here (already watched rigging/weight painting tuts). Basically, I'm adding beams to this headset that I want to be manipulatable via animations.

So step one, I add a bone

Step two, I parent them together (select bone then shift select mesh, then parent)

Step three, weight paint just the tip of the beams

Aaaand moving the bone in pose mode doesn't work. Tested rotation and stuff too, the mesh never changes in the slightest

Is there something I'm missing?

[sage patio]

are you sure you're adding those weights to the correct vertex group?

you should also select your armature before going into weight paint mode (select armature, shift click mesh) so that you can manipulate the bones while in weight paint mode (ctrl + click to select bone)

[brisk bobcat]

I never manually created a vertex group, but one does exist on the beam's mesh. I assumed that group includes everything? I'll try creating one for just the tip

[sage patio]

vertex groups are literally how you define what moves with what bone, that's what "weight painting" is all about

putting vertices into those groups with specific weights

if the vertex groups has the same names as bones in the armature (and the mesh has an Armature modifier), the vertex groups are used to determine how the mesh will deform

[brisk bobcat]

Created a new group and assigned the tip to it and it didn't work... but if it has to be named appropriately as well, I'll try that now

[sage patio]

yea, the names are what determine what groups move with which bone

[brisk bobcat]

Alright. Here's the new heirarchy on the right (along with vertex group names and such) and you can see in the preview that when I select that vertex group, I get the vertices on the tip

Tried pose-mode posing it now, still nothing moved with the bone

[sage patio]

why is your armature parented to the mesh? it should be the other way around

[brisk bobcat]

Oh no

[sage patio]

your mesh also needs an Armature modifier and you need to specify the correct mesh

[brisk bobcat]

I knew it was something dumb, haha

[sage patio]

you're also going to want a bone for the rest of the headset

with everything weighed to it besides the tip

[brisk bobcat]

Even if it's a seperate mesh?

[sage patio]

why is it a separate mesh?

you might aswell join them together since you're rigging it

[brisk bobcat]

Can it have a seperate material if it's a part of the same mesh?

[sage patio]

yes

a mesh can have multiple materials

[brisk bobcat]

Oh I see now, you can assign materials to verts in edit mode just as you can set vertex groups

[sage patio]

yea basically

[brisk bobcat]

Gotcha. Thanks for the help, I'll work on that later as I have things to get to

Last Q to make sure, I need to select the mesh before the armature to parent it correctly, right?

[sage patio]

yes

alternatively you can click and hold shift to reparent stuff in your hierarchy

[brisk bobcat]

Thanks

[crimson plover]

Hi! I've come to a problem with this VRChat Avatar where the upper arm is permanently halted upwards, any advice on how to potentially fix this? The rig is fine in Blender!

this is me with my hands down rn, just moving them in all directions for reference n that

[sleek isle]

Viewpoint too high

[rough mortar]

anyone willing to help me with the weighting on this model? the hands are all weird bendy and fucky

[haughty lagoon]

Can someone please help me fix the motorcycle pose problem? all the videos explaining this are outdated and when I try their method of using the tpose animation, as soon as I click off it doesn't work. I feel like I am screwed. Do I have to start all over again with my avatar?

[rich isle]

Check bones in Unity

[brazen island]

@haughty lagoon assign tpose animator, go to play mode, youre in tpose? good. copy whole avatar, exit play mode, paste, delete original

[haughty lagoon]

dhjfghhhnjhdjhdyjdygfkjh

thank you so much

[pseudo salmon]

Any idea why my left leg is working dandy yet the right leg is borked? I double checked in blender, all weight painting looks good, and in unity the constraints are all set up properly, but for some god forsaken reason my right foot and leg just stretch horribly

[rare quail]

anyone know why blender wont let me select bones for weight paint?

[fair siren]

Dear avatar creators, i need a favor i need someone to make an avatar named max steel and i need someone to DM me to make the avatar Quest and Pc compatible

https://thinkoutdesign.com/products/max-steel-3d-model

and also i don't have any money so i can't pay you when you do it

[kind ore]

at least he's honest

[fair siren]

fax im broke as a joke

[amber bramble]

Does anyone know how to make double hands rigging? And could you teach me abouit it?

[desert dust]

why is my rig working in blender, but not in unity?

[quaint cosmos]

Not working how? The model doesn't move when you move the rig?

[desert dust]

yeah

[quaint cosmos]

But the rig is present in Unity and you're sure it's the correct one?

[desert dust]

yes

i can send the blend and fbx files, if you want

[desert dust]

hello?

[quaint cosmos]

I'm not sure what I'd recommend. I don't have access to Unity right now even if I had time for it. Maybe try re-exporting and make sure that's the only rig in the scene

[desert dust]

ok, it turns out that rigify did something weird (or it was just me)
but only some parts of the rig move
like the neck, the hands (which move the entire arm, due to IK).

[quaint cosmos]

I don't think rigify transfers too well to Unity Humanoid. I don't use it, I've just heard that. If you don't want to rig manually or buy auto-rig pro, I'd use Mixamo and clean up the weights

[inner berry]

hi im having some difficulty with getting my avatar to work, default animations arent working. i might have found a problem but im not entirely sure how to fix it, i tried merging all the meshes to reduce the amount of skinned meshes, but now the entire avatar moves at once instead of each segment

also heres my inspector page with the animator if something is wrong here too

[quaint cosmos]

Is the model weighted to the rig or are you just parenting models to bones? Not sure how merging meshes would destroy your weights.

[inner berry]

i think i just parented the model to the bones

wait no i dont have them parented

whenever i tried to do that, the model would rotate 90 degrees

[quaint cosmos]

Look up Blender weight paint on youtube, the first few results should get you started. That's the proper way to rig a model.

[inner berry]

heres what my higherarchy looks like if that helps

[restive garnet]

Dunno if you've been helped, or if this will help. In weight painting mode you can select which bone is being used for the individual weight here

[quaint cosmos]

It doesn't look like the mesh is parented to a bone but it also doesn't sound like it's weighted properly if it's all moving with 1 bone and you aren't familiar with the weighting process

[inner berry]

its not all moving with one bone, the model and the bones move separately and it doesnt work when i try to parent them

[inner berry]

would i have to un-merge all the segments in the mesh and then parent them to their own bone?

[quaint cosmos]

Watch a weight paint tutorial and you'll understand, that's how a rig moves a mesh.

[floral moat]

im trying to use the cats plugin to rename the bones in an armature so that the vrchat sdk recognizes them, but it keeps deleting the finger bones

any way to stop it from doing that?

[brazen island]

@floral moat theres options for fix model functions and i believe it renames bones even if you disable/keep everything

[floral moat]

fix model functions?

ok- i've got a lead on why this is happening

when i go into pose mode and move around the finger bones, nothing happens to the actual mesh, so i think there's something wrong with how those bones are "bound" to the mesh. how would i be able to fix that?

i'd like to keep those finger bones intact so that i can try out the finger tracking on quest 2

given that the plugin is picking them up as zero weight, im assuming that's the problem?

[floral moat]

damn, i think i need to manually fix the skeleton for this, none of the bones that came with the model are weighted and they're all pointed up

dammit

pretty much everything i just said was fixed by using the CATS plugin import function rather than the standard blender one

[bronze ridge]

I'm using GestureManagar in unity, and doing Test Animation but nothing happens? I did a headswap through blender. The meshes are separated. Any idea what I could do to fix this? Also getting no errors in console

[idle meteor]

are there any free base rigs that contain all required bones for a humanoid and nothing else? I'm having trouble understanding what parts I need specifically and where they should go.

[brazen island]

@idle meteor #avatar-rigging message

[idle meteor]

thank you so much!

[fading verge]

Is anyone able to add hand fire practical to an ava for me if so I would greatly appreciate it

[kind ore]

you had the same problem the other day didnt you? its also exceedingly simple

its a drag and drop process

[restive garnet]

hello, I made my own leggings mesh for this Base, How exactly do I transfer the base Mesh's Weight to my new leggings mesh?

[fading verge]

I fixed it it took 27 hours but I did it

[crisp tendon]

Data transfer modifier !

[spare hearth]

what's the ideal position for hands for the TPOSE

specifically the thumb

how is it supposed to be orientated

because i tried to fix it and unity doesn't like

[quaint cosmos]

Fingers straight out and parallel, thumb extended but on the same horizontal plane as the fingers, if that makes sense. I can see if I can find an image

[spare hearth]

i tried to do that tho

[quaint cosmos]

Like this

[sleek isle]

You can ignore finger warning

[crystal depot]

is there someone who can explain to me how to setup the rig for a skirt so it's perfect for physbones?

[reef coral]

hey, i never edited shapekeys before but i need help with something
basically i have a model that has the viseme shapekeys but before exporting it to blender i forgot to wake the eyes open for those shapekeys
normally it looks like this, the a, i, u, e, o mouth shapekeys have the eyes closed in it

i wanna basically make it so the eyes don't close when these shapekeys are on

how can i do that?

[brazen island]

I may be wrong but I believe it's only mesh separation at this point. Separate mouth part (or eyes, depending on whats easier), copy base to visimes for head/eyes (so they do nothing) and then join back

[reef coral]

anyone has any other suggestions?

[sage patio]

does it still have an eyes closed shape key? what happens if you use it?

[reef coral]

wdym

[hushed marsh]

Hello all, I had an avatar commissioned, and the guy can't figure out this issue with the rig he made... When I look up or down the body moves with it. https://1drv.ms/v/s!ArYQHBiXqfbUq0G-P4clqnEmrqJs?e=qa2HJh

[quaint cosmos]

I think they mostly just took an existing avatar to make that but I guess nothing wrong with that if that's what you wanted. I believe that behavior is usually a result of the view position being set too high in the avatar descriptor

[kind ore]

@quaint cosmos is most likely correct

@hushed marsh you can fix this very easily in unity

[cosmic vine]

For the purposes of making an avatar with correct proportions, what is the game using to determine height exactly? ground to head bone / ground to view point / something else?
Then in addition to that, what is being measured to determine the "wingspan"? wrist root/tip of fingers and from what point?

[pale hull]

In case you were still having issues with the leggings
https://youtu.be/OTDnUST-uMY?t=40

[quaint cosmos]

Pretty sure the bounding box is from the origin (typically the bottom of the feet) to the top vertex of the head and to the farthest vertex from the origin in the X direction

[cosmic vine]

if it's just taking the height to be from the origin to the highest vertex in the head bone vertex group then I'll need to change a few things that may be adding unintentional height

because even though the height/width ratio by looking head-on in blender is about 1 to .96 it still feels more off than it should

[idle meteor]

so I've been having some issues with my avatar looking up constantly, could it have something to do with my rig?

[sage patio]

uhhh yes absolutely lol

your spine should be straight

your avatar should be standing in a T pose

not hunched over

[idle meteor]

makes sense, though it's a bit difficult with how the character is.. well, is

but ill try my best I suppose

[digital willow]

really hard to get the eye bones line up with the eye and the top of the head bone. I've scaled the headbone a lot today.

really scared all these bone changes are gonna cause a lot of problems that need to be fixed orz

and my eye bones are much smaller than in the template. so I'll make them bigger too. I wanna show some pics and ask if it looks good

does this look good?

I need food orz

wait, could this be the shoulder issue... the shoulder bones are not straight

[digital willow]

should all bones have 0 roll?

all my bones seem to have a bit... they get roll when you move and scale them it seems

[digital willow]

I cant find an answer on Google prz

also these eyes are pretty close to each other, I wonder if I should move mine closer

[cosmic vine]

just put the bones upright as shown there then place them in the head where their rotation works well for the eye @digital willow

[digital willow]

ok. as you can see I have done that. but they dont have to be that close to each other?

[cosmic vine]

that's just an example image to point you in the right direction, don't worry about making the bones right next to each other

just try pose mode until you find a spot that works and mirror the left/right bone position for the other eye

[digital willow]

Blender got the thing where it mirrors it automatically

not sure what you mean find a spot that works. but ok, thanks. I think it's fine then

[cosmic vine]

I mean find a spot where the bone works well for rotating the eye
if you put the bone for the eye too far off in any one direction and rotate that bone you'll see the eye just clips through the head and isn't moving right

[digital willow]

mm. I never even tested in Blender

but it looks fine to you doesnt it?

and the neck part too?

[cosmic vine]

I don't recall if the game cares if the neck bone tilts forwards or backwards, but the general structure looks fine

[digital willow]

("the game" reeeee) haha

I think it does because the template shows it

at least at the time in some situation

@cosmic vine and what do u know about roll on bones?

[cosmic vine]

haven't messed with it much as I haven't had a need to 🤷‍♂️

[digital willow]

I see. do u know if any or all should have 0 roll for a standard rig?

I was told to put the eye bones at 0. and then I discovered that a lot of my bones are close to 0 only

[cosmic vine]

for the rig I mess with I don't have anything rolled more than 8 degrees so leaving them at 0 or low values across the board should be fine

[digital willow]

hmm I see

if it doesnt matter then just for the sake of having things be universal and on default I'd like to put it all on 0. but I need to know that's ok at least

but not important now. I dont know if it affects my avi

what about shoulder bones? in the template they are straight. mine arent. and Im having problems with my shoulders in VRC so maybe that's why...

[cosmic vine]

I'd be curious to see that with the upper chest bone but idk if there is one

[digital willow]

mine? no I dont have it

or you mean the template?

[cosmic vine]

the second image

[digital willow]

ok the template

[cosmic vine]

shoulder bones iirc should be pointed straight out

[digital willow]

you mean like in the template?

[cosmic vine]

that's how I've always done it yes

[digital willow]

Im trying to follow it but, I just wonder if there could be a case where mine has to have it like that

ok I see, good to read. thanks

I guess I'll adjust it... I've done a lot of smaller bone edits now. Im really scared it's gonna break a lot

though... Im trying to remember last time. maybe I already asked about this, but if I did then why didnt I change it...

now how do I make them exactly straight?

[cosmic vine]

you can just set the head/tail values on the bone to have the same Z and Y values

[digital willow]

the same on Z and Y...

but what value?

[digital willow]

Y is 0 and Z is... something small because I moved

oh. both head and tail the same... right

[cosmic vine]

yes

head is the fat end tail is the thin end

[digital willow]

was wondering that. thanks

but since it's connected to the arms

I can just copy from that

[cosmic vine]

can click the bone and move it around entirely or select the sphere on either end to move just that, but regardless of which you click you'll see the same transform values in the top right

you can just match the arm's head values to align it sure

[digital willow]

and I only moved one axis. so I can just copy... Z

like so

this looks good to you?

[cosmic vine]

looks about 3~ degrees pointed upwards now

[digital willow]

hm?

[cosmic vine]

🤔

[digital willow]

what part?

[digital willow]

they look more like they are going downwards

why...

[cosmic vine]

lol

[digital willow]

I copied this

[cosmic vine]

just set the head and tail values to the same for the Z to make it level if that is what you want

[digital willow]

yeah but what value?

It should line up with the arms

Im so confused

[cosmic vine]

are the arms straight outwards (not including the slight elbow bend) ?

[digital willow]

yeah I made sure of that in the past... but

maybe I made a mistake

shouldnt there be a value that will make it straight?

[cosmic vine]

you mean level for the purpose of the T pose?

[digital willow]

oh no, Im noticing something weird

I... mean... just absolute level. but it should be T pose yeah, and I made it that

[cosmic vine]

"oh no, Im noticing something weird" yeah that has been my blender learning experience over the last year

[digital willow]

haha

this side looks neat like this

but then

and now I dont know what part has changed T.T

[cosmic vine]

sec

[digital willow]

and how did that happen?! Im always so careful

[cosmic vine]

you can snap them together like that

easier than manually aligning values

[digital willow]

I guess I'll just compare the size to the other side

well, I always did it by just changing the value

but I always got help with that

but the thing is

I need to know which one goes where

if it's the inner or outer arm that changed

what's it called? which is forearm?

[cosmic vine]

if you select a bone on one half and ctrl+shift+m it goes to the other one right?

[digital willow]

eeh no

[cosmic vine]

after the shoulder bone on each side, you should have "Left arm" and "Right arm" yeah?

[digital willow]

comparing the values now I see that it's the outer arm that has moved

u mean in the armature hierarchy?

[cosmic vine]

sure or just the ones floating in the 3d view

[digital willow]

oh

[cosmic vine]

same thing

[digital willow]

I cant see it in the 3D view...

am I supposed to?

it just shows what's selected

but yes they are parented right

[cosmic vine]

so they have the correct names and not something crazy

[digital willow]

ya

I just need to move the head of the outer arm to the inner arm's tail

[cosmic vine]

you can set the value manually or use the magnet to snap it to it like above

[digital willow]

but

using the magnet...

it didnt get to the right spot

[cosmic vine]

snap something wrong?

[digital willow]

not the middle

and when I snap again it's too far the other way

so where do I see the value of X for the tip?

gotta check from above too then

I forgot so much

[cosmic vine]

just in case, these are the settings on my magnet

[digital willow]

also roll on this side is -180, other side is -0.083

should they at least not be the same? T.T

[cosmic vine]

I'd think it'd be the same number just positive/negative depending on the side

[digital willow]

I dont have as many options, but mine is set to increment and move

[cosmic vine]

what blender version?

[digital willow]

2.93.9

now it doesnt snap at all

[cosmic vine]

I'm not familiar with 2.xx UI since I've done 99% of my stuff in 3.0

could be why

[digital willow]

I remember this being so easy when I did the proportions

3.0 is out, damn it

[cosmic vine]

3.4 now I think

but 3.0 is fine

[digital willow]

also my alt gr+h is broken... cant unhide bones

then I forgot how I did it

but have to go to each bone and do it

[cosmic vine]

alt + H doesn't unhide?

[digital willow]

yeah

[fiery stone]

I exported my model in Blender, and now when using GoGo Loco, I'm getting funny hip/leg movements. When I crouch it fixes itself though, but if you playspace upwards or use the GoGoLoco levitate function, it breaks again. Any ideas? This happens when exporting from CATS and blender's export too.

https://gyazo.com/c4f7a367e55fc6ec96e9727bce265771

[digital willow]

I got a lot of help with it but nobody could figure it out

[cosmic vine]

I think maybe you did the same thing I did a few weeks ago where you have to manually check or uncheck a box in the bone properties on each to get it to show again

[digital willow]

yeah, but a short cut should still work orz

anyway how do I get this crap to line up? Xd

wait wth...

um...

it's... lined up...

[cosmic vine]

👀

[digital willow]

I dont even know what I did

I just looked back XD

[cosmic vine]

welcome to blender enjoy your stay

[digital willow]

though

sike

[cosmic vine]

if the snapping doesn't work just match the values 🤷‍♂️

[digital willow]

actually it's the same on the other side

at full zoom

[digital willow]

but where do I see it?

[cosmic vine]

hit N

item / transform

[digital willow]

wrist is perfect

um, n is CATS

oh

I need to select the tab

[cosmic vine]

yes

N just to open the side menu

[digital willow]

but then what?

[cosmic vine]

click bone , check XYZ values

click other bone it is supposed to be touching

are the numbers the same in the tail-head?

do the values of the tail for one bone match the values of the head on the other bone

[digital willow]

Im getting confused

it's not u, it's my brain -.-

[cosmic vine]

me too, what does the transform window look like when you select a bone?

[cosmic vine]

you're in edit mode too, right?

[digital willow]

this is outer right arm

ya

[cosmic vine]

and when you select the other bone it is supposed to be touching exactly, what does that one look like

[cosmic vine]

yeah those numbers don't match

[digital willow]

but shouldnt I click on the balls?

[cosmic vine]

clicking the head ball or tail ball is the same as selecting the bone in the middle portion

shows you the same sets of values

[digital willow]

hee

I understand the principle but, what values should match?

[cosmic vine]

those

they're close but not exact

that's why it looks veeery close but not directly on top of

[digital willow]

so tail on... outer arm

copy X

or no

fdhgnhfnh

Im getting so confused cause two arms and two heads and tails on each arm ghfgnfghn

[cosmic vine]

copy X, select other bone, paste to the other X

see which works

[digital willow]

Xd

[cosmic vine]

ctrl + z if it isn't the right one

[digital willow]

haha

ok I got it but... other side is more confusing!

[cosmic vine]

other side of what

[digital willow]

the other arm

[cosmic vine]

oh

[digital willow]

outer arm

[cosmic vine]

do you have the X mirroring toggled on (blue) ?

[digital willow]

inner

oh...

I do...

but

if it

mirrored it, then why isnt it connecting?

x_x

fhdnggnh

[cosmic vine]

just to clarify, if you grab the left arm bone and move it around

[digital willow]

my head aaah

[cosmic vine]

the right arm bone moves too, right?

[digital willow]

yes

but

no I failed

shiiiet

or wait, I just didnt do enough

I cant figure out what to copy

it's ok if u dont help me more orz I should have stopped 45 min ago but I just wanna finish it

[cosmic vine]

is this what you're not getting ?

[digital willow]

yeah

it's hard for me to follow

I copied one and it moved

[cosmic vine]

that's why I suggested using the magnet button first since you don't have to mess with the values like that but you said it didn't snap to it correctly

[digital willow]

yeah but it didnt work

[cosmic vine]

I don't know what to make of that and can only assume there's something from blender 2.xx to 3.0 that is the reason 🤷‍♂️

[digital willow]

but I remember doing this before and it was easy

and I think...

yeah... setting it to median point which is what I usually have it set to

but I changed it for something else

now I have the value of the point... somewhere

[cosmic vine]

when in doubt try each option and ctrl+z if it makes it worse/doesn't work

[digital willow]

yeah

but this is so easy

if

I can just see the point's value

u havent done it this way?

then u just click on each and copy 3 of them then done

no need to figure out what is what

[cosmic vine]

click on each what to copy

[digital willow]

haha

value

head and tail

then it's just this

point's value

and then click on other side and paste

that's how I did it when I did the proportion edit for fbt

follwing Kung's guide I think

[cosmic vine]

when doing this sort of thing I've only adjusted individual xyz values

[digital willow]

yeah that's what it is

[cosmic vine]

if I wasn't using the sanpping

[digital willow]

but I need the points values

I dont know where they are

there should be a window

[cosmic vine]

they're on your screen when you have the bone selected

[digital willow]

I dont see it

it must be minimized

wait

[cosmic vine]

when you say a point's values, you're talking about the position of the head or tail part of the bone?

[digital willow]

werent they here the whole time too?

noo

Im talking about the... cursor, the arrows and white circle

there is a way to see its value

wherever it is

[cosmic vine]

the 3d cursor?