vrchat-general-2

[sharp saddle]

How so?

[obsidian jungle]

frame drop.

[small compass]

I just got a oculus quest 2 yesterday

[sharp saddle]

Safety settings can save your life. 👀

[small compass]

So I’m nervous

[unreal verge]

Quest is nice

[supple marlin]

Go mute and talk wit your hands

[obsidian jungle]

I put everything down and I set my graphics lower.

[small compass]

I have no friends that’s the problem

[vocal shard]

potato pc?

when i get vrchat plus am i gonna be like a user?

[obsidian jungle]

yessir

[vocal shard]

or still visitor?

[ruby needle]

Go in game and join conversations. Else that's not gonna change

[sharp saddle]

VRC+ will probably bump you to New User.

[supple marlin]

Deng i felt that

[vocal shard]

yeah, one rank up

yea aight im getting it

[obsidian jungle]

To shy to talk to people 😔

[small compass]

@supple marlin want to play together

[vocal shard]

it boosted me to Trusted from Known immediately lol

[sharp saddle]

I got Trusted before VRC+ came out.

[small compass]

Anyone want to play together

[unreal verge]

I've a potato PC and i can even play in VR. No lags as long as i don't load any ass generic e-boy/girl avatar with 3 million meshes and don't render everyone in a public world.

[supple marlin]

I wouldnt mind actually dm me if u want

[small compass]

I did!

[unreal verge]

I'm not buying VRC+ as long as I'm not Trusted through playing itself. Want to earn that legitimate without paying. Probably would get boosted to trusted immediately as I'm known currently.

[vocal shard]

me over AMD iGPU, just the stutters sometimes

[obsidian jungle]

I wouldnt miind playing too

[sharp saddle]

iGPU

[broken plover]

I once was in a world with like 10 people (me and some friends) and a few of them had very poor avatars that were auto hidden because of my safety settings. When I enabled one, performance didn't change much. I enabled another one, performance only slightly went down. But after some time, it slowly started to lag. So only when it was pretty laggy I started to notice it

TLDR: auto hide all very poor avatars to not lag in vrc

[vocal shard]

wait, that's Intel's.. AMD's called APU .-.

[unreal verge]

I don't unhide anyone manually

[ruby needle]

iGPU is integrated GPU not related to AMD or INTEL

[obsidian jungle]

I cant go to worlds bigger than 89 MB

[ruby needle]

AMD does call some of their chips which have that an APU tho, but that's a separate name and the other still valid.

[vocal shard]

okay I'm confused 🤦

[ruby needle]

14

[vocal shard]

The Devouring world's over 300mb and I ran that just fine

[ruby needle]

Dont mind me, just adding confusion

[unreal verge]

Except if they're best friends. If my performance is really going downhill suddenly i want to be able to hide everyone in the lobby through safetys even friends. Using show avatar will not let me do that anymore.

So only best friends have the show avatars privilege

[vocal shard]

just got it its sick thank yall to

[unreal verge]

Cause if you fall below 20fps you can't hide anyone anymore since you can't click on them

[vocal shard]

yes

[unreal verge]

That messes my safetys up. I already hide every non-friend avatar so it's easier to quickly go into safety settings and disable avatars for friends.

[vocal shard]

it just basically sets your safety to disable everything

[unreal verge]

And safe mode doesn't effect friends

[vocal shard]

and that too

[unreal verge]

So safe mode does basically nothing for me

I don't have the money

[obsidian jungle]

welp

I have a potato pc 😭

[unreal verge]

Easier said than done. Had one but got fired due to physical problems with my body.

Or they just didn't need me anymore cause there was almost nothing to do anymore

I don't know anything about avatar making. I don't even have my own pc so i never was able to learn it.

[vocal shard]

I was actually going to sell my pc for Quest 2 but that's my only PC then I'll get stuck on Quest forever :eyes:
I don't wanna be stuck seeing Quest only avatars

[unreal verge]

I would never do that

I would always prefer to have a pc over Quest

[obsidian jungle]

BETTTTT

[formal wharf]

What is this?

[unreal verge]

I mean, i love my Quest but i wouldn't go that far to buy a VR Headset.

Yes

It runs, even with 30FPS

[vocal shard]

I'm used to 30fps-

[unreal verge]

Only in public lobbys

Or if a lot of friends are in the lobby

So i basically begin to hide at 10+ people

I only know GPU rn, I'm not on pc. GTX 750 Ti

[obsidian jungle]

I have like 60 in my when i first spawn

then when i join a world its a good 30-20

[unreal verge]

Desktop?

[obsidian jungle]

Yeah

[unreal verge]

In Desktop I've 80-90

[vocal shard]

huh, I don't get that much lag unless peoples r using very poor avatar.. and also thanks to the safety settings (running Ryzen 3 Vega 8)

[rotund bluff]

what are you on where you have a PC gpu but no pc?

[sharp saddle]

I think he means he's not on his PC at the time...

[unreal verge]

But i only play Desktop to quickly test stuff

@Red-#8785 Quest 2 didn't exist at that time

[odd blaze]

👍 hp decided to send me my reverb g2 , 2 days before xmas

[unreal verge]

Also I've connection problems to Discord right now. It's not fully connecting anymore.

Ah now

[sharp saddle]

How is it?

[odd blaze]

🤔 uh well they sendt it today, dont know yet

[unreal verge]

GPUs are so damn expensive

800€ for a 1070 Ti

[odd blaze]

3060/ti

[obsidian jungle]

I have no idea what u guys are talking about.

[ruby needle]

Also where the hell is a 1070ti 800€

[broken plover]

all rtx 3000 cards are out of stock

[odd blaze]

3090 is 2500$+ here 👍

[ruby needle]

on actual stores or scalpers, cus scalpers are not a price you use for comparrisons

[unreal verge]

I just heard it's the minimum for VR. So thought they would be cheaper than actual cards

@ruby needle Amazon

[broken plover]

on german ebay I can find 1070ti for like 200-300€ and the 3060ti costs 399€ new

[odd blaze]

@ruby needle Actual store, they jacked up prices here

[rotund bluff]

1050 works well with good safetly settings/vivenilla. That's what my laptop is.

[odd blaze]

But norway isnt really cheap anyway

[ruby needle]

big well known chain or individual store

individual tech stores are more or less just as scummy

[unreal verge]

@rotund bluff vivenilla?

[rotund bluff]

I'm just waiting a MSRP version of the 3090 or A6000...the A6000 is retailing for 4,500$ USD

[rotund bluff]

old vive

[unreal verge]

700 oof

[broken plover]

don't look for rtx 3000 cards on ebay... its just scalpers there

[ruby needle]

3090 is not a gaming card or anything you need.

It's a workstation render / processing card.

[rotund bluff]

I do arch vis

[unreal verge]

That would be almost the same as i would have to buy a whole new pc what i would probably have to do anyways since everything right now is old in the actual one

[ruby needle]

Even there you're just wasting power and money on initial buy

[unreal verge]

I would probably buy a pre-built pc since i know nothing about hardware

[odd blaze]

Getting 3080 , but yeeh not anytime soon 🐇

no stock anywhere

[unreal verge]

Mmh but i have to ask someone what i need

[rotund bluff]

rtx volumes in ue4 work so much better on 3090 though. Like 100x the 1080ti which is what my current workstation is(haven't upgraded in over 3 years)

[obsidian jungle]

..............

[ruby needle]

you already said you ACTUALLY do workstation use.

which is not what the average buyer will do sadly.

[rotund bluff]

true

[ruby needle]

And for who's people it would be idiotic.

[odd blaze]

🤦 im on a 3440x1440 screen with a 1080 , newer games dont like it, so was gonna get 3080

[unreal verge]

I just stream newer games currently

Playing Control on my Switch with cloud gaming lol

Even with rtx support

[regal narwhal]

Hola

Alguien me puede ayudar
Someone can help me

[unreal verge]

There was a VRChat update?

[regal narwhal]

I do not know

[obsidian jungle]

did they fix the lag.

[sharp saddle]

[obsidian jungle]

lag is insane.

[sharp saddle]

Lag is usually due to high server ping and/or hardware failing to keep up (that and people's avatars can cause this).

[odd blaze]

🥔 detected

[obsidian jungle]

is there a way to fix it

[noble depot]

Do you mean lag or low FPS? o:

[obsidian jungle]

BOTH

[noble depot]

as in, what's your FPS ingame lol, the menu shows it in the bottom right as well as your ping

If it is actually both, then you'd need to upgrade your computer and presumably stop joining instance masters that are very distant

aka, make your own instances or join a friend in the same general area as you

[exotic lake]

VRChat is still broken for me xD

I heard stability and connectivity are on fleek

[obsidian jungle]

When im in my starter house thingy its like 30-60

and in other rooms its like 12-11

[vocal shard]

Vr chat

Yäy

[noble depot]

@obsidian jungle def sounds like more of a hardware issue yeah, specs?

[obsidian jungle]

I have no idea how to check

[odd blaze]

🐌 good sign when they dont know pc spec/post it

[obsidian jungle]

I can run a browser unless I have to much tabs open.

[robust thunder]

Lmao, he's too busy defending himself against you Red

[noble depot]

can we not gang up on somebody asking for help tho
@obsidian jungle Press the Windows key and R together, type "dxdiag" without the quotes into the Run box that shows up, and see whats in the System, Display and/or Render tabs up top

Namely, things like Chip Type, Processor, Memory, and Display Memory

[shut cosmos]

Alright berts whos on and wants to play some casual games?

[odd blaze]

ive ran vrchat on a i7 2630qm/650m laptop 🐇 it was...something else hurgh, still use it sometime to test with 2 avatars but no way its ever going to a public world

also a older i7 950/970

[stiff tundra]

vrchat your verification of login is not working

it keep directing say that link is invalid or someone has verified it

[deep wigeon]

is there a world for vrchat avatars made by vrchat?

[sharp saddle]

That's in the "Legacy Avatar" menu

[deep wigeon]

i’m guessing it’s not on quest then, thats why i asked for a world.

[languid beacon]

Which ones? Even the default avatars are player made

[grim flame]

It's your default characters on the bottom unless you want something specific

[north hemlock]

Is it just me or is the camera super difficult to use I feel like? I know it's just about pointing but I often look really really stupid trying to get the button and it just doesn't work haha

[languid beacon]

Yeah it’s old UI

[grim flame]

Don't have anything to add to that

[languid beacon]

The camera made for vrc+ icons works wonderfully

I’m assuming all that stuff will get replaced when the UI update happens

[inland jay]

Camera might get a delayed update.

[grizzled narwhal]

Does anyone here know where is the best place to buy a oculus quest 2? (Like a place not shipped to me online)

[robust thunder]

I don't think you can get it in store. Or a least not right now

[grizzled narwhal]

So what's the best place I can get it online before Christmas?

[inland jay]

Probably out of stock but walmart i think had a few last time i was there.

[grizzled narwhal]

I went to Walmart yesterday and it seemed like they were sold out

[robust thunder]

Best Buy maybe

That is a mangled sentence if I've ever seen one

[languid beacon]

Best Buy here in Phoenix had two boxes of the higher storage one

[grizzled narwhal]

Where is the best online place I can buy a quest 2 just in case they are sold out on best buy

[languid beacon]

Oculus.com

[wary jasper]

Man I'm just glad I was lucky enough to have a quest 2 in time and a 3070 in time to link it up

[robust thunder]

Hmmm, yea

[languid beacon]

If you want to buy online, oculus.com has free shipping within continental US, hard to beat. You only pay sales tax for your state

[obtuse nova]

I need help my personal hotspot on my mobile works but for be chaat it doesn’t the loading screen stays at 90% what can I do to fix this issue

The login screen stays at 90-%

[vocal shard]

yall better be implementing facial tracking when the decagear comes out!

lol im just playin

hows your guy's day?

[obtuse nova]

Terrible can’t logon to vrchat

[vocal shard]

WHAT!?

that is terrible lol

you try logging on desktop mode?

[umbral reef]

@obtuse nova Your internet is probaly too unstable as its a wifi connection

[obtuse nova]

Will it ever load

[vocal shard]

ohhhh, u need to get yourself a wired connection bro

ethernet

it will load way faster if you plug in using ethernet

[obtuse nova]

On my oculus

[vocal shard]

quest?

[obtuse nova]

Yes

2

[vocal shard]

oh ok. Then idk... It probly is a wifi issue. I have a quest 2 too but I use virtual desktop

[obtuse nova]

Ahh I see

[vocal shard]

You try resetting your headset?

[obtuse nova]

It works perfectly fine on echo break

Echovr

Turning it off and on won’t solve the problem I think

[vocal shard]

and is your oculus software updated?

[obtuse nova]

How do I do that??

[vocal shard]

dont know if that might be an issue

[obtuse nova]

I bought it recently

[vocal shard]

You go to settings, about, I think there should be an option for software update

If you got a quest 2 recently you should def try population one, that game is so addicting. tho they need to lower the price fs!

It might not help to reset the headset but it wouldn't hurt to try

[obtuse nova]

Cool will do there seems to be no software updates

I’ll try

[vocal shard]

ok cool @ me and lmk what happens

[gritty vessel]

i need help finding an avatar i have been looking for more then a year! here is how it looks https://youtu.be/box8X8m4k-U?t=120

[vocal shard]

what a coincidence, im loading my dishwasher right now! wait u need help finding an avatar that took u more than a year to find!?

im confused

[gritty vessel]

yes i want it in vrchat

i only have a pic of it

[vocal shard]

then make it

[gritty vessel]

i dont know how and it is already made

[vocal shard]

then commission someone to make it, or contact the person that made it

[gritty vessel]

i dont know who made it!

and i dont wanna spend money

[vocal shard]

Hmmm, how do you know its made on vrc? did you find someone with the same avatar?

I feel that tho, who does want to spend money on virtual stuff lol.

Im probly not the person to talk to about that. But I hope you find someone

[rotund bluff]

A lot of 2018 avatars went the way of the dodo. No one here is an index of all the 10s of 1000s of avatars that have ever been made. Many are private and unique, meaning you can't get them. Many are paid and private, meaning you need money. The best bet is to look through avatar worlds for something you like.

[languid beacon]

I wonder how many public avatars exist at the moment?

I’m sure it’s at least in the 6 digits

Maybe 7? Hard to say

[cold dome]

a dozen, at least

[languid beacon]

Very likely.

Maybe more.

[regal furnace]

at least 3

do the yanderedev speedrun

[rotund bluff]

It's kind of funny when visitors come here and ask questions because most of them assume the upload count is tiny. How many worlds are there? like 100?????... yeah, maybe in 2015.

[languid mason]

my favorite questions are from people who don’t even give exact details, just vague things they remember about them

[inner palm]

Anyone got good avatar world recommendations?

[deep wigeon]

is there a way to see time spent in vrchat via website? i didn’t play on steam but i linked my vrchat account to my oculus quest.

[vocal shard]

Yuh

[languid beacon]

I’m sure it’s stored somewhere but it’s nowhere to be found in the API

[vocal shard]

oculus records the hour spent in a game

[languid beacon]

Yeah, but there was the native client, Steam, oculus home, oculus quest, and viveport, and time could be split between them all.

I know mine is

[lyric bone]

Y'all got vrchat?

[broken plover]

whats vrchat

[lyric bone]

Same

[languid beacon]

Can anyone help me find an avatar? It was a girl and it looked kind of anime.

It had polygons

[languid mason]

fnaf avatar please??

[noble depot]

did it have one or two materials

[peak ermine]

45

[flint surge]

Anyone with a mic wanna play vr chat lol?

[vocal shard]

what?! who don't have a mic OwO im lost~

[proper stratus]

tons of mutes

[vocal shard]

yea but they still have a mic

[noble depot]

laughs in OG Vive mute

[vocal shard]

[noble depot]

huh, apparently the OG vive might have a mic
heck my joke's destroyed o:<

[night plaza]

yall know what the sao game is called in vrchat

[honest flume]

Hey glad we are back to "Open menu in any world and almost die because it reloads EVERY world in the list when you open it/press back instead of just cacheing the worlds you've already loaded." So much fun. Best experience. Worth me paying for vrc+ right?

[languid mason]

i knew i wasnt going crazy, i knew it cached before

[night plaza]

are sure it is called that

[stone mesa]

hey I posted a question down in #world-development if anybody could help me out

[sharp saddle]

Don't crosspost

[exotic lake]

ok, so I'm really pissed right now!
It takes like 1 out of 20 restarts to eventually get into VRChat. Game crashes all the time or tells me, that I can't connect to the server.
I had that issue last week for 3 Days and it worked for around 4 days afterwards. Now it's the same again. The only answer I get from the support is 'Try using a VPN'.
I did! But every time I try to connect with a VPN, VRChat responds with 'Disconnected: VRChat experienced an internal error!'
So I re-installed the game multiple times and tried every known method to fix it. Nothing works.

I'm sitting here with an issue and without support. Great!

[umbral reef]

Do you use the VPN before or after starting the game..
As you gotta do it before you boot it up

[exotic lake]

before

[lyric bone]

👌

[unreal verge]

101029384 probably

[vocal shard]

I got banned for 4 years for a modified client but I wasn't using any modified client, only thing that could've caused it was my VPN or my anti malware and neither make sense

I made a ticket but I'm just hella confused because everything was fine this morning and now it just doesn't like me

[gleaming hill]

I wonder how many people were banned for like 1 day, didn't play that day anyways and just never even saw the false positive? lol

[unreal verge]

The VPN would make a lot of sense

VRChat stores every IP from anyone who logged in. So if an account gets banned every IP that acc connected to also. So anyone who logs in through a banned IP gets auto-banned.

Thats the thing i hear the most and a reason why avatar creators are told to to not upload the commissions to someone elses acc.

[vocal shard]

I

[lethal jay]

The vpn thing doesn't really make sense to me since I almost never use my actual home connection, I always have a vpn active

And my account is fine

Oh I didn't fully read what you said, mb

[unreal verge]

Yeah if the VPN caused it you'll need to sort it out with support. But i think you should be fine if you mention your VPN.

[vocal shard]

I was using a public free VPN called Proton VPN

So someone else probably was using a cheat on the same IP as the VPN

[lethal jay]

I use my own personal vpn so that might be why, though it is hosted by a well known server hoster

[vocal shard]

I had a really nice high quality OVH a while ago

But my friend stopped hosting it because he didn't really need it

[unreal verge]

I had a VPN but my Internet connection doesnt really like VPNs

They all were really unreliable to me

Cyberghost was the worst, then IPVanish with slow speeds and NordVPN which was quite good but their pricing was awful (not transparent)

I just refunded my money on any of them

[modest fox]

What the hells up with vrchat being buggy as hell lately?
I being upgrading my pc with the newer hardware, and it just seems that vrchats gets worse, and worse.

[hollow ingot]

😭

[gray mesa]

Same! After a few hours it gets slower? Is there a memory leak?

[noble depot]

Just wondering, did you upgrade to a 3000 series nvidia card? VRChat apparently has some performance issues with those

[gleaming hill]

yeah if they don't fix it, you can forget me every even considering VRC+

[vocal shard]

There is currently serveal bugs in VRChat, the most noteable are as follows:

"VRChat Host world voice stutter bug" (VRChat claims to fix but still heard rumours of existence and still experncied it after patch)

"A memory leak issue with VRChat not unloading anything from the memory or the RAM after storing it, thus clogging up low RAM machines and VRAM"

And finally

"a massive increase in network usage during avatar/world scrolling within the menu, comprable to a small DDOS attack on your own system"

All three issues are currently being looked at by the dev team.

[gleaming hill]

That last one is a massive OOF

[vapid coyote]

Is there a way or a rank u can do votekick on among us or other games cause at my current I can’t

[gleaming hill]

among us isn't part of vr chat

[vocal shard]

All three of these bugs is whats currently killing VRChat, and i beleive you have to be known user or higher in order to start a vote kick on a player

[noble depot]

you can start a votekick at any rank, also

?Upload

[shy spoke]

You must obtain at least "New User" Trust Rank in our Trust and Safety system in order to upload content. You can get this by just spending a few hours in VRChat, hop some worlds, and make some friends. Give it some time and you'll be able to upload content in no time.

As an aside, you must have a VRChat account to upload content. That means you can't use a Steam account, Oculus account, or Viveport account to upload content like worlds or avatars.

Source: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/frequently-asked-questions

[noble depot]

Ranking up isn't based on time alone, playing the game normally will contribute to your rank too

[vapid coyote]

If it’s not apart of vrchat even though I’m playing vrchat I guess u can’t rank up playing it

[vocal shard]

how to Rank up play the game explore worlds make friends~

[noble depot]

The world that you're in does not affect your rank whatsoever lol

[vocal shard]

Games within VRChat dont count towards your rank level, playing the game is how you rank up

[gleaming hill]

If you never add any friends, you never rank up which I think is bullshit personally.

[vocal shard]

playing games in vrc affect your rank excuse me newbie~

[gleaming hill]

I never ranked up at all until I added a few randos just to see if that would do anything

[vapid coyote]

I agree to force ppl to make friends is dumb

[gleaming hill]

and suddenly boom, I ranked up

[vocal shard]

To start ranking up to begin with, you need an account to get out of visitor

nope

[gleaming hill]

Yes, you also need a few friends

and time

[royal hollow]

hi im searching for a specific avatar i just cant find it 😦

[vocal shard]

you can get out of visitor on steam~

[vapid coyote]

Just try with a little help from my friends, oh I get by with a little help from my friends

[vocal shard]

with a normal steam account

[noble depot]

^^ you don't need an account to rank up, though it's supposedly faster with a VRChat acoount

[vocal shard]

True, but I even tried that, i used steam account for months, still visitor, even added friends, but the only time I started ranking up is when I linked my steam with a VRChat acxount on their website

[gleaming hill]

I had to do ALL of that to get a single rank, so yeah

[vocal shard]

depends how you play Vrc~

[royal hollow]

can someone help me please im searching for a avatar since 3 weeks

[gleaming hill]

The current ranking system is bullshit

[vocal shard]

not really~

[vocal shard]

It really is, ranking is based on mutiple internal factors, but someone can easily tank your rank if your a target of abuse, or harrassment, also, trusted users are thr most likely users to crash people, due to them having the least things blocked by someone who hasnt customized their safety system, also "Trust" is the wrong word to describe it, and also it breeds an air of elitism within the community, ive seen first hand a bunch of purple users shunt away a user, due to differnet ranks, its a horrible system that brings nothing to the table and divides the community further

[vocal shard]

never got crashed by a trusted user by the 3 years of playing users sure

you got targeted a lot by whatever rank you had which the new name plates fixed~

If you've been playing for that long, i can gurantree your satefty settings are custom, and thats true but the new UI looks pretty terrible overall, and with there preview UI shown off (ive seen it), it looks like a horrible clunkly mess

And also, a new UI is not what VRChat actually needs right now, it needs a massive backend code optimsiton job, but they can't do that since it would take the game down for weeks while they patch it

[gleaming hill]

I just block most stuff from everyone tbh. So much crashing, laggy avatars, etc

[sharp saddle]

They can only do so much "optimization" since everything is mostly-UGC.

[vocal shard]

Also true, so thats why there adding on the bells and whistles and nothing else

[sharp saddle]

What "bells and whistles" are you referring to?

[vocal shard]

VRChat+, i call that a "bell and whistles" since avatar favourite slots shouldn't even be limited, due to them only being a couple kilobytes of code also a profile picture? Really? What other website or service charges you for a profile picture?

[sharp saddle]

Same can be said for Discord Nitro. Why pay for global emojis and animated pictures? Because it's a nicety, not a paywalled feature.

[languid mason]

because they're features no one is going to cry about missing but also something small that people will at least have something to show for supporting vrchat?

[vocal shard]

QoL features should never be locked behind a paywall.

[sharp saddle]

Not this BS again. :/

[languid mason]

but people will complain if core features are locked behind a paywall, big whoop

the base favorite avatar slots increased for free users anyway so

[vocal shard]

No im saying, if you want to support the devs for their 8 years of hard work making this game, you do you

[steel kiln]

Wait they increased the favourite avatar count? sick

[sharp saddle]

Yes, it's been bumped up to 25.

[steel kiln]

Oh fuck yeah

[languid mason]

i think the idea is that you either support the game monetarily, or you support it through curating your own content or being an active user hence the limited avatar favourite system

[steel kiln]

I currently have like, 3 that I like, and i'm tempted to comission my friend to make a model for me, so 25 is like, infinite for me

Oh is this about VRC+? I would have thought no-one would care about that, since it's just a few additions that don't really do much

[languid mason]

apparently someone does care 😄

[vocal shard]

Well, VRC+ was a bold move, but I do believe they could of been smarter with the whole monitizion of thing, i believe its the princple behind it, say you locked a QoL improvement behind a paywall and asked people to pay for it, the majority did the devs would then think "Hey if they paid for this, lets add more features and jack up the price"

Sadly the majority of game devs think this way, its not uncommon to see this practice sprial out of control

[sharp saddle]

There's gotta be an incentive, you know.

[languid mason]

im sorry i don't understand your point

[sharp saddle]

They can't just slap on a price and say "hey, support us and get nothing in return". Hardly anyone would put in the money.

Again, it's niceties, not QoL items.

[steel kiln]

The fact that all they've done is bump up a limit for both paying and non-paying, and then adding little nametag icons for paying people isn't really paying for QoL.

[sharp saddle]

You're not getting special treatment by paying, you're getting nice-to-have things.

[steel kiln]

It's just 'hey this specific thing just got better for everyone, still not satisfied? pay us a bit and we'll even throw in this feature you didn't ask for'

[proper stratus]

As many people have said before, it's like Discord nitro

I hope one day there is a "server boost" concept in VRChat for worlds. So we can give back to the creators a little.

[vocal shard]

Im not saying "VRChat Plus bad, me no like"

Its a fine monitization plan, but there gonna lose a lot of funding quickly if they dont use the funds they just got to work on the game, I do hope VRChat devs doesn't crumble under the pressure.

[proper stratus]

But as it is, I'm very happy to pay the $10 per month and support VRC 😄

[languid mason]

so you're just backseat banking for them?

im glad this isn't a productive chat then 😄

[proper stratus]

I think they are doing fine just the way they are 😛

[vocal shard]

Well, someone should of been backseat banking there entire funding throughout the 8 years they've been working on the game personally, all im saying is that it sets a predenence in their head, to keep putting things behind a paywall, not small things but massive things, lets hope the devs don't go through with my predications

[languid mason]

but you're just making assumptions from the outside, i think it's a little rude to be making comments like that

[steel kiln]

They definitely wont make anything massive behind a paywall. Especially with how frugal they're being about VRC+

[languid mason]

you have no idea what their investors want or need from them, if they fail let them fail, but it's nice to see that the funding might be in the hands of the users soon

[steel kiln]

They're terrified that the introduction of a premium subscription will turn away players or sully their consumer relations

[languid mason]

yeah they said they want to keep the core gameplay of vrchat free, but who knows 😄

[steel kiln]

They're not just gonna go 'ok we didn't get bodyslammed by the players time to put custom avatars behind a £50 sub'

[languid mason]

im still expecting file restrictions to be implemented, there's no way the unlimited storage thing is going to last forever (for free users)

[vocal shard]

I should be allowed to critize anything, sure its a rude comment, but a constructive one at that, and assumptions that have been correct in many other devs minds, its just literally how business people think.

[steel kiln]

I don't intend to be rude here Tactical, but I believe you're overestimating your deductive capabilities with this reach.

[vocal shard]

Business people think:

"If they paid for this, they would pay for that"

And yeah, dont get me wrong, i could completly wrong on all of this, and yes, I'm hoping I am very wrong with my predictions

I don't want to see this game go into a premium subscription, mircopayment hellhole.

[eager jacinth]

boop

[steel kiln]

Business people also think of ways to maintain their consumerbase. Especially when it's in a field where success and longevity isn't guaranteed. If this were a run of the mill F2P Gacha mobile game i'd agree with your thought process.
But this is a social bridge, a barely touched and even less-so succeeding game archetype focusing on a non-mainstream hardware. There isn't room to breathe in the business-end of VR-chat as a game. Nevermind room to take risks such as alienating the established playerbase.

Also hey Red, beep boop

[vocal shard]

I will agree with your logic and thinking if it wasn't one thing, VRChat has also been a desktop game alongside VR, so it counter balance the argument, and VR is very close to becoming relavitly cheap the average consumer, there was a reported 9.6 million steam VR Users with all sorts of different headsets, so VR is less of a neesh thing now.

[modest fox]

i cant even get in vrchat lately, my menu boggs me down and i cant even leave my homeworld

[obtuse cypress]

On the contrary, building your playerbase from the start is extremely important so to take risks and find out who supports the actual community rather than the convenience may be worth shedding some of the player base,

[sharp saddle]

niche*

[vocal shard]

Thank you, i knew i spelled it wrong

[vocal shard]

I would also agree with your logic if it wasn't one thing, VRChat is not a game funamentally, its a social VR, with UGC inside VRChat that is the games.

[steel kiln]

Then it's more comparable to the likes of Roblox in that matter, which admittedly has it's share of paywalling within the UGC, not the service itself, so I suppose that's a moot point.
Either way I find this panic and cynicism over VRC+'s creation unfounded as it's clear the company is being incredibly careful about alienation.

[vocal shard]

Im glad we can have this discussion regarding this important issue, and everyone who was very polite during the discussion, but in truth, I do want every single VR game to succeed, because its a whole new medium of gaming and immersion, VRChat, ChillOutVR, NeosVR, three games with the same purpose, i hope all three succeeds. Its 3:04am, im clocking out for tonight ladies and gentlemen, peace

[steel kiln]

Goodnight 💜

[maiden canyon]

for some reason i was teleported to a random world

\0..

[steel kiln]

Brazil is tired.
People are no longer going to brazil.
Brazil is going to you.

[idle cedar]

Hello friends

[gray mesa]

Just got new user at 10h!

[limber warren]

How long does it usually take?

[gray mesa]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I’ve heard 15h

[wispy aurora]

Hi

[limber warren]

Steam says I have like 7 hours but I’m pretty sure that’s incorrect

[wispy aurora]

Is there a questions channel?

[gray mesa]

I do run with an open mic so that might also help

[gray mesa]

Yes! Look though the list and see what you want!

[wispy aurora]

Thanks

[slate stag]

anybody got any tips for motion sickness cause i just resently got a vr but i fell sick af on the ones where you move in the game but not irl

[keen creek]

Anyone know why I can’t create avatar it says no asset bundle has been set

[wispy aurora]

What headset are you using?

[devout mist]

Just playing and getting used to it might be the best thing, but if its too much for now you could probably just change the movement in the settings to teleport or snap turns

[proper stratus]

At first take it slow and o ly play for 30 minutes, then take a 15 minute break. Then play another 30 and take a break.

Slowly over a week you will get used to it.

I also find it very useful to move my arms in a natural walking motion while moving. Helps me feel less sick.

[vernal viper]

Does anyone here know the link to the DalekHQ discord server

I don’t understand and the file won’t open

[calm phoenix]

I hope they will implement the camera for PC players, that would be really cool

[ruby needle]

It's called sceenshot

[eager jacinth]

boop

[calm phoenix]

Nope

I mean

The little camera that vr players can use to take selfies

[tepid smelt]

gutys

First, how come when i walk in vr chat its like 3rd person

and does anyone wanna play with me for content

?

[vocal shard]

Idk it works fine in my vr lol

[calm phoenix]

In desktop 3rd person isn't implemented yet right?

[vocal shard]

Smh

Who would play vr! In third person!

[tepid smelt]

?

[calm phoenix]

Isn't to play, for me is to see my avatar from 3rd how it's look like

[vocal shard]

You guys must be trolling

[tepid smelt]

its when i walk

[vocal shard]

Turn it off then

[tepid smelt]

wdym

[calm phoenix]

I say that

[vocal shard]

Go to settings in vrchat and uncheck the comfort setting called 3d locomotion

[calm phoenix]

I wanted a confirm about 3rd person in desktop mode

[vocal shard]

No!!

[tepid smelt]

im in vr

[calm phoenix]

Lol

[vocal shard]

Vr only

Get out

[regal furnace]

👀

[vocal shard]

O-o

[calm phoenix]

xD sorry if I'm poor and the vr it's too expensive for us lmao

[vocal shard]

Why u poor

[tepid smelt]

I am shy wanna play

[regal furnace]

whats the problem with not having vr?

[vocal shard]

Idk

Ask him

[tepid smelt]

nothing

[calm phoenix]

Bc my father doesn't give me the monthly money support from 10 years

[vocal shard]

Damn can relate

[tepid smelt]

i am not allowed to get money

at least like allowances

[calm phoenix]

and my mother is unemployed and with health problems

[vocal shard]

Drugs

[tepid smelt]

Like im not allowed to get free money

[vocal shard]

Why?

[tepid smelt]

cuz

FREE MONEY

[calm phoenix]

they gave us the PC as a gift to follow my school lessons online

[tepid smelt]

its not like

Its litterly free

[vocal shard]

So not even a can i g pc?

[tepid smelt]

my paremts dont like me getting free things

[tepid smelt]

though i do have a pc

[vocal shard]

Nice

[calm phoenix]

So this is the life

Sad life, but is the only one

[vocal shard]

Well getting a job is hard right now

[calm phoenix]

Yeah, the virus has stopped everything

[tepid smelt]

anyone wanna play

[vocal shard]

I had a job i had money and now nothing ;-;

[tepid smelt]

i need to find someone for content, like josh dub

[vocal shard]

Huh?

[calm phoenix]

Gg, I hope to have a better life one day xD

Oh dude Josh dub is great

[tepid smelt]

yeah

[calm phoenix]

But doing quality content it's really hard

[vocal shard]

Damn kids in chat

[calm phoenix]

Sorry if my English is bad

[vocal shard]

No

Nvm

[calm phoenix]

Ahh u mean the thing of Josh dub xD

[vocal shard]

Excuse me I'm just a emo chick online

[calm phoenix]

Nuu u good :D

Just shy

:D

[vocal shard]

Huh.. Well that raised my hopes up a little?

[calm phoenix]

Maybe, it depends from yourself owo

[vocal shard]

Ugh... What

[calm phoenix]

sorry I'm the guy who sometimes uses random phrases to make friends with people haha

[vocal shard]

Oki

[ripe galleon]

third day of asking, anybody got a fix for high ping? I get that it's because the servers are running poorly, but seriously, I can't even open my menus anymore, it's getting so bad that my ping is getting into 2000 and starting to log me out of vrc

[calm phoenix]

Well, sometimes can help you using a VPN to try to change your location to have a better ping, but idk, it can depends also from your internet connection or pc, search online, there are various types of web pages where u can find info

[ripe galleon]

I have

[vocal shard]

Hay where my rich boiz in chat

[ripe galleon]

I could write an article on the topic and not have a fix

and no

it's not my cache

[vocal shard]

I'm sadly not rich ;-;

[pale timber]

wow thats crazy

want money

[vocal shard]

Nope

[pale timber]

o

[ripe galleon]

cool it guys, no need to be hostile

[pale timber]

no ones being hostile tf?

[vocal shard]

I'm broke cause I just got my ryzen 5 and my rtx card

[pale timber]

yooo youre gaming now

[vocal shard]

Yee

[pale timber]

how much were they both together

[calm phoenix]

Ghost, I'm playing with stable 300 ping xD

[ripe galleon]

ouch

[vocal shard]

××

[calm phoenix]

So

[pale timber]

is ping noticeable in the game?

[ripe galleon]

sometimes

depends on the user

[pale timber]

besides when ur lagging super hard

[calm phoenix]

I can't go into server with a lot of people

[vocal shard]

Sksksksksks

[ripe galleon]

I, for innstance, go up to 2000 ping whenever I open my menus, and yes, that is specifically when I open my menus

[pale timber]

odd

i stay at around 50 so cant relate

[ripe galleon]

it didn't happen in desktop before, but it appears that changed

[calm phoenix]

Framelag or lag?

Idk maybe low ram memory?

[ripe galleon]

only when I was in VR with full body, never tested if my full body could have lagged me

no, both are clean

[pale timber]

bandwidth or something

[ripe galleon]

clean

[pale timber]

idk tech talk

[ripe galleon]

fresh internet

fresh computer

[pale timber]

but its not like that ruins ur experience right?

[ripe galleon]

yes

it does, it breaks my game, and since I'm with clone troopers of vrc, I can't fight with my brothers sometimes

[calm phoenix]

I read a thing, on the vr steam client that sometimes can give problems

[ripe galleon]

I don't know, maybe, I'll take a look

[calm phoenix]

Try it, sometimes changing the client help to have better quality

Sorry if sometimes I miss some words xD

[ripe galleon]

I mean, I can't really, I use vive stuff, don't got my oculus anymore

non compatible with other

[umbral prairie]

Hey guys

[calm phoenix]

Hey

[umbral prairie]

My quest controller went bad

[calm phoenix]

Oh

[ripe galleon]

drift?

[umbral prairie]

Any clue how to fix joystick going in one direction

[ripe galleon]

ah

drift

[umbral prairie]

Yes drift yes

should I buy new controller

[ripe galleon]

it's a design flaw, plenty of tutorials, and no

I had the drift when I had oculus rift

[umbral prairie]

Oh

How do I fix? What should I search up

[ripe galleon]

just look up oculus controller drift fix

[umbral prairie]

god that is complex

[ripe galleon]

trust me, it's not worth a new controller

if you don't wannt to mess with the controller, just bear with it, you'll eventually get used to it

[solar heath]

Does anyone here have an AMD 5950X And/Or NVIDIA RTX 3090? If so, are you seeing terrible FPS in most worlds for VRC at the moment?

[regal furnace]

you could increase deadzones on the stick to counter the drift to some extent

[regal furnace]

maybe its the nvidia driver? they had problems on 3000 cards and steamvr

[solar heath]

Running latest.

Just updated BIOS aswell

[regal furnace]

could also be a server issue (there are some reports of bad performance with server issues)

[solid flame]

Excuse Me But Umm Idk If This Is the Correct Place To Ask This But,Why Does My Vrchat Keep Crashing When I Load Into A World?

[vocal shard]

Can I get a moderator?

[regal furnace]

what for?

[vocal shard]

same

[unreal verge]

Not since i got my headset

I mostly play vr since the last 3 months

[pseudo basalt]

I rarely play, but I'm excited for the medium

maybe if i had a good pc and headset, and vr was a better experience

[buoyant forum]

I did not spend like 2k$ on my vr setup to stop playing for a month

[broken plover]

yeah right now I don't play much VR because I know that it'll lag on my literal potato. But I'm also buying pc parts to build a new pc (and carry the storage drives over) so it won't lag and then I'll probably play more vr

[unreal verge]

I've to live with lags currently too until i upgrade

But I'll do it at some point

[buoyant forum]

That's the vrchat experience ain't no amount of expensive hardware gonna fix that

[broken plover]

I don't mean lags in only vrchat. All vr games lag. I can barely even run modern desktop titles

[vocal shard]

The pill kinda gives me a all might vibe~

[unreal verge]

Same

[buoyant forum]

Well yeah if you got a shit PC and buy vr instead of better hardware that's on you

[digital holly]

VrChat doesnt support 7.1 surround sound, right?

[thorny plume]

I heard throwing a ryzen 9 5950x at vrchat helps

[broken plover]

yeah any overkill cpu will lag almost never in vrchat

[ruby tiger]

yeah, now it's a gpu bottleneck

[odd blaze]

👍 vrchat dont like to many cpu's , not sure if its unity or what, but some of my friends who have 8+ cores had best experience setting cpu to 4-6 core affinity and gained fps just doing that

[buoyant forum]

it's not multithreaded whatsoever

[ruby tiger]

it kinda is

[buoyant forum]

not enough

[thorny plume]

dynamic bones are on a separate thread, there's that

[broken plover]

games still benefit from better single core instead of multi core performance. For example, an i9 10900k has great single core performance, and great multi core. Amd was better at multi core in the past, but I think now they also have good single core performance. Especially dynamic bones which only use one core from what I heard need good single core performance. That's also why if you have a server cpu that has pretty bad single core performance but a lot of cores will run games pretty bad compared to like a quad core with hyperthreading

[buoyant forum]

no not really

[odd blaze]

Only dynamic bone is single rest is multi but it can hit you pretty hard , why you want a custom bone limit , do not ever just disable it

[buoyant forum]

if the game is well optimised you can throw all the cores you want at it, that just is not the case for vrchat

[odd blaze]

You can fake dynbones with constraints , sorta but up/down movement behaves odd

constraints are multi-threaded

[thorny plume]

it's why I setup 32 dynamic transforms on my avatar and leave it permanently limited

[broken plover]

I currently have a quad core with no hyperthreading and the single core performance isnt the best but its usable. But in VRChat when there's avatars with dynamic bones and I disable the dynamic bone limit, I start to lag a lot, even if its just one avatar with some dynamic bones

[buoyant forum]

yeah because dynamic bones are terrible

[odd blaze]

1024 is my limit, and i frequent in large worlds 60+ people and still 45~ fps

[broken plover]

and if I turn the limit on (with default values) I only lag if I also show very poor avatars. But other than that it runs at playable framerates

[odd blaze]

There's 'very poor' then 'very insanely poor'

[buoyant forum]

the avatar optimisation values mean nothing most of the time

[odd blaze]

few over oh well, 4000materials + over eeh no

[thorny plume]

unfortunately until the insanely poor are given their own bracket, the very poors that arent actually very poor will be thrown in with the rest of grey robot funtimes

[odd blaze]

Let me set my own 'very poor' setting 🐇

[broken plover]

so really the only really unoptimized thing about vrchat is stuff that the devs themselves can't even change. Because dynamic bones only run on one core, and avatar creators are responsible for their own avatars. If you go into optimized worlds, with optimized avatars the game is gonna run perfectly fine. If you go to unoptimized worlds like, idk void club or something I guess, with tons of very poor avatars then of course the game is gonna lag even on high end systems. So its not that the game is unoptimized in that part. Its the user generated content

[buoyant forum]

no the devs most certainly can fix that

[thorny plume]

tbh there's still a lot of leeway with "poor"

[broken plover]

the devs didn't make dynamic bones themselves. They just bought it from the unity asset store

[buoyant forum]

yes that's why the game runs bad

[broken plover]

and what can the devs do about that?

[buoyant forum]

code a proper alternative like every other dev

[pseudo basalt]

yeah, i dunno what's taking them so long. they could have replaced it ages ago, even only client side

they've done some things like cap the update rate and force distant disable, but that's not that much

but I guess it's not worth fixing something now when it's gonna get replaced ~eventually~™️

[buoyant forum]

the entire game needs a rewrite and untill they do that it's gonna run bad

[pseudo basalt]

it's happening in parts I guess

[thorny plume]

they fixed the host stutter, so at least we've gone back to square one

[umbral reef]

Always gonna run bad because people dont optimize there shit

Better dbones just means people will push it even more

[buoyant forum]

extreme optimisation wouldnt be required if the base game worked properly

[umbral reef]

Yea no

[thorny plume]

wdym 50 material 150MB avatars is perfectly fine

[still lark]

hey look, it's an arm chair dev

[odd blaze]

Even my worst avatar isnt near 100mb , but i can put alot of audio on it to bloat it i guess

👍 forget to texture crunch too

[umbral reef]

I need my 20 material 4K texture avatar with 12 colliders on 50 bones with an extra 400 bones in my hair, cape and what else.

[thorny plume]

imagine having to load that all before the game blocks it

[broken plover]

my avtars were like 170MB because I set the blend shape normals on calculate instead of import. But once I found out I fixed and reuploaded all of my recent avatars (not the complete old ones that I'm never gonna use anymore)

[buoyant forum]

the problem isnt those extremely bad avatars with obscene amounts of stuff it's that normal avatars still cause lag

[odd blaze]

Called out some of my friends why they avatar was so large, they didnt do the whole texture crunch, did it and came back -90% size

[umbral reef]

Those normal avatars of you are still shitty optimized

[thorny plume]

I start getting twitchy when my avatar goes above 10MB

[umbral reef]

The best optimized avatar you will see in publics right now beside the blocked/not loading avatar is worse then the worse optimized avatar 2 years ago by now

[buoyant forum]

block everyone as you like you're still gonna get frame issues from having only 20 people in the world

[pseudo basalt]

I mean, even robot avatars start lagging after a few people, but it's getting better

[umbral reef]

I dont though

[thorny plume]

this is true, the avatars ive got from 2018 are actually pretty good, it was just the 20k poly limit that was always ignored, very low file sizes too

[umbral reef]

I been to events with 30+ people, yea i wont touch that 90FPS at all, but a nice capped 45 in a proper world sure

[buoyant forum]

45 isnt nice no

[thorny plume]

imagine having 80 people in a world because its on friends+

and trying to get performance out of that

[umbral reef]

Most people play the game permantly with 45 🤷‍♀️
Fairly normal TBH, the jump from capped 45 from steamVR to having 90 is big

[thorny plume]

rip NYE parties

[broken plover]

reprojected 45 fps feels just like 90

[umbral reef]

The minium hardware for steamVR is set for 45FPS with most big games nowadays

[unreal verge]

45-50 is the maximum i get if I'm alone in a world

Also my own private avatar is only 11MB large which is nice

[vocal shard]

Who’s in rn

[unreal verge]

Only things that cause it to be very poor are the 155k polys and 33 dyn bones

[vocal shard]

On*

[quaint sleet]

since the last update my Hair is not animated anymore

[unreal verge]

Disable dynamic bone limit

[old sable]

is anyone elses Vr chat social tab all empty?

[vocal shard]

I wish I could get vrc+ but I can’t coz I’m on quest ;-;

[vocal shard]

No not me

[old sable]

no friends show online or offline\

[unreal verge]

I could get VRC+ but i don't want to

[quaint sleet]

where to deactivate dynamic bone limit

[unreal verge]

Performance settings

[vocal shard]

Oh

[quaint sleet]

thx

[vocal shard]

Nice

[old sable]

U can get the vc chat plus via steam the login again on quest ;p

[vocal shard]

Oh wot

Epik

[old sable]

but i have no clue what to do

[vocal shard]

Thanks

[quaint sleet]

btw wich headset are u guys using

[old sable]

about my social tab

[unreal verge]

Quest 1

[old sable]

rift

[calm phoenix]

Dudes one question

[broken plover]

windows mixed reality

[unreal verge]

But i play via Link

[vocal shard]

Quest 2

[quaint sleet]

iiam using the quest 2 with Sidequest patch

[calm phoenix]

Do u say where can I find the discord protogen?

[old sable]

Any VR exxperts

[vocal shard]

Nope

[old sable]

;-; if i recieve a invite it doesnt do anything

[broken plover]

I know some stuff about vr headsets

[vocal shard]

I just got one 4 days ago

[quaint sleet]

Viirtuel Desktop with Sidequest patch .3

[old sable]

sad boi hours \

[unreal verge]

I've that

[calm phoenix]

Uh seriously?

I'm searching it from a lots of days

[vocal shard]

...

[calm phoenix]

Octo?

[vocal shard]

wsup

[calm phoenix]

I'm searching for discord protogen

[unreal verge]

?

[calm phoenix]

Did u have the ds proto avatar?

[unreal verge]

No

[broken plover]

whats discord protogen

[calm phoenix]

oh sorry i misunderstood then haha

There is a discord protogen with sounds and animations of ds

But I think it's impossible to find

[vocal shard]

i need help

pls

[broken plover]

ok

[vocal shard]

ok dm me

[broken plover]

why

just ask here or in the proper channel

[vocal shard]

i will tell you there

[broken plover]

what if I don't know the answer

[vocal shard]

ok

[broken plover]

if you post it here someone that knows it will tell you

[vocal shard]

i dont know how to star nrchat

[broken plover]

that's like basic stuff of asking for help on the internet

[vocal shard]

i dont know how to start vrchat

[broken plover]

you download it on steam

and then start it

[vocal shard]

how

[broken plover]

you just press play after selecting vrchat in the steam library

[vocal shard]

wait you need steam

[broken plover]

yes. I said you download it on steam

[vocal shard]

ok

thx'

does anyone know where to get the budgie(small cute af bird) avatars? ---found it! its from "KOTA's toilet" if anyone stumbles across this in the future. odd name for a cute bunch of birds

[long spindle]

hi guys! i got a question...i bought the rift s a month ago, but i've had some troubles w the sensors...im thinking of returning it today and switching to the quest 2...is that a good idea?

[vocal shard]

great idea do it OwO

[long spindle]

i'll totally think ab it since this headset is getting on my nerves

[vocal shard]

no just do it and get a better vr experience~

[regal furnace]

as long as you use a oculus headset, the problems will remain. their software is utter garbage and rarely works as intended. that was one of the main reasons i sold my cv1

[vocal shard]

no it's just the rift s that was a bad product OwO

[regal furnace]

cv1 had problems as well and it was a pretty good headset

[vocal shard]

yea a friend of mine had it for 4 years before switching to a index~

[regal furnace]

i had it for a bit over a year before i sold it

now im running an index since march and have no problems whatsoever

[vocal shard]

be careful with dropping the controllers~

[unreal verge]

I've a Quest 1

[copper cosmos]

i keep seeing people whose discord status say like "Ask me 1 of 2 " when they’re almost certainly not alone

is this just a glitch

[unreal verge]

No

This is intended

Ask me only ever shows 1 of 2. Do not disturb doesn't show anything

[copper cosmos]

why ?

[unreal verge]

Idk

[copper cosmos]

it doesn’t bring anything to the table then

[unreal verge]

If it says 1 of 2 the only thing you are at least able to know is that people can join this instance afaik

If they're in friends or invite only it also doesn't show a count

[copper cosmos]

huh okay, i see, thanks

[celest zenith]

french?*

[vocal shard]

🥖

can some one explane me why they want close VRchat?

[odd blaze]

have a 🤦

[knotty vine]

Anyone have any idea how to fix vrchat login issue it says I have no internet connection but I'm connected when I launch the game it boots me off my internet and the only way to reconnect my pc is to do a reset

[calm hatch]

does anyone happen to know JefftheKiller28 discord
im his bodyguard
the username is his in game name tag

[rotund bluff]

y u post to multiple channels? No one cares about your ingame relationships

[calm hatch]

thats rather rude

[deep wigeon]

yeah but don’t cross.

[calm hatch]

all i want to know is what is killer's discord so i may communicate with him a little bit better, because my mic is broken

[maiden canyon]

for some reason when i get on vrchat i cant move my hands

can someone help me with that

[rotund bluff]

spam invite him when he's online to a mute world and use the pens and keyboard.

[calm hatch]

thank you for the advice

[calm hatch]

many thanks

[gleaming hill]

Wouldn't that just get you blocked?

[misty moon]

is the intel core i5 any good for gaming?

[vocal shard]

should be okay

[umbral reef]

A core i5 doesnt say how good it will perform
Its like asking if a 5 seater car will function fine.

The i5 should have a number after it, that number code is the type.
With that people can tell you how good it is

[narrow tulip]

𝙶𝚘𝚘𝚍 𝚖𝚘𝚛𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚖𝚢 𝚏𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚘𝚠𝚜!!!!! 𝙷𝙰𝙷𝙰𝙷𝙰𝙷𝙰𝙷𝙰𝙷𝙰! 𝙸 𝚑𝚘𝚙𝚎 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚢𝚘𝚗𝚎’𝚜 𝚍𝚘𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚐𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚘𝚍𝚊𝚢!

[vocal shard]

Yeah, you need the number after, like Oclac said.

For example, a 4 year old i5 would struggle, but an i5 just a year or two old would likely outperform my 4 year old i7

(there's a lot more to it than that, but a generalization)

just don't go for the old gen, they sure do look cheap but I wouldn't recommend those

[languid beacon]

A bodyguard who lost their body? You had ONE job !

[rotund bluff]

Older i5 are showing their age because they don't have hyperthreading. If you are asking about general gaming, they aren't bad for the price. If you are asking about a public lobby with 40 people in vrchat, it's a potato. VRChat can be played on a lot of systems but don't expect the full experience of a populated world without expensive hardware. People upgrade 1 year old CPUs for more frames in VRC

[ruby needle]

Actually, you'd be surprised but some people get the same or sometimes better performance limiting VRC to 4 cores.

We're not talking about a wonder but HT can sometimes cause a bit ot trouble if a main thread ends up on a HT "core"

[misty moon]

@rotund bluff what other cpu do u suggest for vrchat?

[ruby needle]

tho, ofc the underlying system still benefits from the extra load. 😛

The neg gen i5's are quite decent. It's native 6 cores

The AMD Ryzen CPU's (preferably 3xxx not a 2xxx. First gen (1xxxx) i would stay away from.) are also nice affordable models

[rotund bluff]

interesting. I will have to experiment.

[ruby needle]

make sure you limit it to the main threads not hyper threads. 😛

[rotund bluff]

What is your budget? are you trying to find a new cpu?

[misty moon]

like 50-100

cos after i buy the pc my pockets are empty

[rotund bluff]

Then you are super limited ATM. Are you building or are you buying a prebuilt? have you pulled as much cost out of the build as possible

[misty moon]

pre build idk how to build a pc

[ruby needle]

50-100 is not a budget to go buy any pc.

[misty moon]

no no 50-100 for a cpu

[ruby needle]

Ah, well

[vocal shard]

what happened to vr chat

[rotund bluff]

I will probably disable hyperthreading and overclock to 5.0ghz.

[vocal shard]

doesnt let me log in

[ruby needle]

Guess a ryzen 3 3100 would be the best to target

[rotund bluff]

try using your email

[broken plover]

so, you're buying a prebuilt pc, and then you want to buy a cpu aswell? I don't really get what you're trying to do tbh

[vocal shard]

vr chat website doesnt let me

[ruby needle]

[vocal shard]

log in

[broken plover]

overclock to 10ghz instead /s

[misty moon]

cant u take out stuff from the pre built?

[broken plover]

yes, you can take out parts

[misty moon]

i’m rlly new to pcs so idk much

can u take out the cpu?

[ruby needle]

You can but prebuilds are not only more expensive then bulding your self but also if you take out something to upgrade you also pay ontop.

also then you are limited to what ever socket and chipset is in the pc you bought

[broken plover]

you can replace any component of the pc. But like, if you're buying a prebuild, then why do you also want to get a replacement cpu? It would be much smarter to just buy a prebuilt with the cpu you want

[misty moon]

the problem is idk how to build one

[broken plover]

it's not as hard as it sounds or looks

[ruby needle]

It's not that simple no

[broken plover]

if you already got the parts it is that simple. But to choose the parts you need to check if they are compatible

[misty moon]

that’s what i want to do

[vocal shard]

im gonna reinstall vrchat

[misty moon]

i wanna change the cor i5 to the 3 3100

[ruby needle]

that doesnt work

[broken plover]

that's not gonna work

[ruby needle]

you'd need a whole new motherboard and probably new ram aswell.

[misty moon]

well fuck

[broken plover]

most prebuilt pc shops give you an option to change stuff before you buy. So you can just select another motherboard if possible (either a b450 or b550 if you got the money) and then also the ryzen 3 3100 and they will put that in instead of the i5

[rotund bluff]

I know it sounds hard but it's much easier to go to reddit /r/buildapc and consult them. They will walk your through every step if you are nice and you will save money on nearly every component

[vocal shard]

i have a potato pc and can run vr chat just fine

If you're buying a new CPU, make sure your Motherboard supports that CPU-

[rotund bluff]

if you are still uncomfortable there are stores that will let your pick the parts and for 40$ they will build in in front of you

[misty moon]

is the Core i7-10700F

any good

[broken plover]

yes

[ruby needle]

which i5 do you currently have.

[vocal shard]

without vr

[misty moon]

i don’t have any i don’t even have the pc yet

but i’m getting it

[ruby needle]

is the i7 an option on the PC place then yes it's okay.

[misty moon]

it’s gonna take me a while i’m 14 and i need to come up with 1.2k

yeah it is

[rotund bluff]

1.2k buys a lot more pc than you think

[ruby needle]

the i5 10600k would also be okay (6cores no HT) if you are on a budget contraint.

Or as said a ryzen build.

[unreal verge]

How is that setting called

[misty moon]

i’m getting like 300 in 2 days so i need to come up with $929

[broken plover]

do you have a set amount of pocket money you get each month?

[ruby needle]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/configuration-file

[misty moon]

60 a month

[broken plover]

damn you get double what I get

[misty moon]

would take me years to get enough

or a year

[ruby needle]

As hard as it is, it's definitely gonna be worth waiting a tiny bit more then hating your self for a worse system for years

[vocal shard]

I have a quick question, If I may ask.

[misty moon]

i have an idea idk if it will work

[broken plover]

you can spend that year on watching pc build guides and stuff, just to get the hang of how pc's work and how to build one. And then at the end of 2021 you can put together a parts list, and then look how much you have saved up by then and then buy the parts

[misty moon]

i could maybe do mowing for ppl in my street?

get a few hundred out of that maybe

[vocal shard]

How do I check how many hours I've played on VRChat besides the steam hours? (Website hours)

[ruby needle]

i dont think there is a hour tracker for website

cus why would there be one.

beeing logged in on the website doesn't have anything to do with actually playing the game.

[vocal shard]

I've had someone customize an avatar and I'm trying to figure out if I spent 10 hours or not to import it

[ruby needle]

thats not how that works

it's not time based and the website would not count in any way either

Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.

You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be ** 20-40 hours**, but big exceptions are possible.

Make sure you are not using a steam or oculus account and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.

http://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/27-why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet

Alternatively, you can subscribe to VRC+ for one month to get to new user directly. https://hello.vrchat.com/vrchat-plus-faq

[vocal shard]

Oh okay thank you

[rotund bluff]

Now you guys got me thinking about ryzen 9 16 core instead of a second generation 24 core threadripper

visitor->new user

[vocal shard]

Ikr I just want my avatar:'^(

[rotund bluff]

i've seen it happen in 4-5 hours but it's people that get inducted into a group of trusted users

[broken plover]

"According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be..." its not a set amount
"... but big exceptions are possible" and also this

[languid beacon]

I did it in like 7.. but they were spread out over 2 weeks

[broken plover]

so blame the people that made the responses

[languid beacon]

I got known at 152 hours and trusted at 302 hours

[rotund bluff]

a person can get it at 150 hours and still be it at 300-500. Uploading a world and public avatar really helps

[vocal shard]

geez leweez

[languid beacon]

Your first public world feels like a “trust boost” just like getting vrc+

[vocal shard]

I might just get vrc+ to boost it?

[sharp saddle]

Hmmmm...

[verbal meteor]

Think I was around the 200 mark for trusted. I had like 2 maps and 10 uploaded avatars though and started on user with only playing about 5 hours in 2018 prior to the system releasing and not returning till early 2019.

[rotund bluff]

The boost is tiny. It's not guaranteed to make a known a trusted, but it did for me and many others

[languid beacon]

Nothing above new user matters. No one cares or even looks at rank anymore, except weird ppl (fite me)

[rotund bluff]

they are too busy looking at vrc+ users and trolling them with the new nameplates

[languid beacon]

I have not gotten trolled once

Not even a passing comment

[rotund bluff]

I've had it mentioned several times in public murder 4 lobbies

[languid beacon]

I’m in public near exclusively

[verbal meteor]

I've done a couple of publics, no issue with it so far. It's pure chance though.

[languid beacon]

I just don’t hang out in toxic ones

[vocal shard]

How much trust do I get (being a new user) when I buy vrc+?

[languid beacon]

You’ll almost certainly be moved to green (User) and maybe orange (Known)

It seems the more trust you have the more you get, it’s like a multiplier or something

I was thinking it like one time xp boost but it does not seem to be the case, the reports aren’t adding up

[unreal verge]

I got known user after around 400-500 hours

[languid beacon]

Known users regularly get vrc+ and instantly become trusted. If a visitor got that same boost they’d shoot straight into known, but they don’t

[unreal verge]

But i also don't have any public stuff uploaded, only private

[languid beacon]

Yes, some move to User

Yes, some known users remain known

[hasty wyvern]

Hi

[unreal verge]

You guys are making me buy VRC+ just to test out if I'll rank up

[rotund bluff]

i bet you will but it takes like 5mins. i had to log off and log back in

[languid beacon]

Going from known to trusted for buying vrc+ should be rare but it’s not

[broken plover]

if I'm trusted and get vrc+ do I rank up to veteran in the api?

[hasty wyvern]

I made my mom buy usb c cable and now I feel like I have to say sorry to her now Bc I have a Mac. 😞 Bc I’m getting the quest 2 on Christmas day

[rotund bluff]

unconfirmed reports, if the account is very old like 2018

[languid beacon]

I’ve never looked up anyone’s rank using the api. I’m not exactly sure anyone does. I think it’s just code for “I use a modded client but can’t admit it” because authenticating the api to get that kind of data is not trivial and I doubt people are really doing it.

[unreal verge]

I can see it through VRCX

[broken plover]

you can look it up with inspect element on the website

[unreal verge]

Veterans get highlighted as golden there

[languid beacon]

That’s friends

[hasty wyvern]

If anyone’s free to vc I would like that Bc I need to chat with someone who knows a lot bout vr

[unreal verge]

Yeah friends

But can see it for everyone if i explicitly search in it for a specific user

[vocal shard]

Is there a way to check my user status?

[ruby needle]

if you can't upload you are visitor

[vocal shard]

Oh thank you guys for the help.

[unreal verge]

You'll get notified ingame and via email if you can upload

[languid beacon]

In the square menu (ESC on desktop) your own profile picture has a colored outline.

[unreal verge]

Grey = visitor

[languid beacon]

You can also just look up and open the menu. You will see your own name tag

[unreal verge]

Blue = new user

Ugh I'm almost about buying VRC+ just to do that experiment if i rank up after i recently only got to known.

I really should stop spending money for experiments lol

Doing the same with Discord

Well VRCX's friend logger already says a lot. Literally anyone who has the VRC+ badge in their got ranked up.

Btw, how is it possible that someone skips a rank without VRC+

Saw someone skipped new user

Got from visitor to user immediately

The second time i noticed this happening

[ruby needle]

Or... by looking at the website or other ways parsing the API.

[vocal shard]

You don't need either of those to check the ranks... Yeah like fpaul said

[unreal verge]

Yeah API gives a lot of information

[ruby needle]

That is the wrong wording
It is tollerated as it's not malicious API use

Except one is by the actual dev and the other third party
But non malicious api use is tollerated.

[unreal verge]

3rd party friend management client. Can also used for a lot of other things.

@ruby needle which one is from the Dev?

[ruby needle]

The Website. In relation to that the comparisson to the website is flawed because the website is by VRChat it self unlike VRCX.

[vocal shard]

I bought vrc+ and ranked up.

[ruby needle]

congrats

[unreal verge]

As visitor it's expected, have fun uploading

[languid beacon]

I doesn’t the ToS disallow sharing your password with others? Putting your username and password in someone else’s app sort of applies, doesn’t it? It sends it out in base64, unsalted and unencrypted, to who knows where, because it’s not open source.

[vocal shard]

Thank you all! <3

[unreal verge]

@languid beacon VRCX is open source

[languid beacon]

I stand corrected then

[ruby needle]

Mod clients are forbidden no matter functinality as you alter the code.
What API calls you do and not are irrelevant.

[unreal verge]

You download that client via github.com

Not open source is VRChat tracker

The Android VRCX version from someone else

[ruby needle]

I dont think we need to in depth dive into the specifiy third party apps any further here.

[languid beacon]

That’s where the confusion was. I assumed the two were the same

[unreal verge]

But if you know the API links to everything you can get everything without 3rd party programs yourself

[languid beacon]

Regardless, putting your username and password into an application written by another player is at least unwise, if you are the type to dig into code and verify everything is on the up and up, you are the exception

[unreal verge]

@ruby needle how would it be if you directly access the api links if you know them?

Since then it's using the official website

[languid beacon]

You need custom headers to authenticate. Browser dev tools might be able to send them but usually people just write a web app to handle it all

[unreal verge]

You just need to login first to access the api links

It should save

[languid beacon]

Good question. Size and transparency saves, for what it’s worth.

Being able to remove the background of the nameplates and have just text is great.

[unreal verge]

I would like if it kinda was like the old nameplates but with the current shape. Also only colored outlines. Maybe let yourself choose a color for them or randomize it.

Would look very nice

[hasty wyvern]

I need to talk to Marcy or Lamb in vc please. I really really need to ask questions I’ve been trying to find people and I really really need to discuss please.

[languid beacon]

I like the consistency now

[unreal verge]

Yeah but colored nameplates (not displaying the ranks) would be nice but would only work if they were outlines.

Just another option to customize them

[languid beacon]

VRChat has hundred thousands of users, it is not safe to assume anyone here has any idea who those people are.

[hasty wyvern]

I’m not assuming. Someone who knows this discord told me so I could talk to them.

So am I the one assuming no. Their the ones who told me they could help.

And I’m sorry if I’m mean but maybe it’s because I have stress and pressure on my mind from questions I need to discuss

[languid beacon]

I don’t know anyone by those names, sorry. It would be better to reach out to them directly.

[verbal meteor]

I've seen a lamb post in here a few times, dunno if it's the same one though, not keen on @ random people. Try and get a tag no from whoever told you. otherwise you're relying on them spotting it or just pm;ing until you get a hit.

[languid beacon]

There’s 11 @ lamb here

[verbal meteor]

Ya, pretty big guessing game all in all.

[languid beacon]

And 4 @ marcy

[vocal shard]

[rotund bluff]

they slide into my DMs with a friend request and I didn't even say anything

Good luck in the hunt though. Hope you find them.

[languid beacon]

Same lol

The dms

[verbal meteor]

I am a bad influence. :p but when desperate times call... XD

[vocal shard]

hi

[opal root]

I haven't played VRChat in over a year.

[sharp saddle]

Welcome back.

[opal root]

I should probably kick my old account off this server

[verbal meteor]

Welcome back, you'll have a lot to look forward to with avatars 3.0 and udon then. 😄

[opal root]

What has changed since june 6th of 2019?

[ruby needle]

A lot

If you really wanna know, go though the changelogs since that date.

[subtle frigate]

My old account has 200 messages here.

Which is this account, I'm going to leave so I can avoid getting banned

[ruby needle]

Having multiple accounts is not getting you banned as long as both are in good standing

[opal root]

Sad I had to make that account leave.

oh uh

[spiral star]

It feels like the help chats are busy when I get online and the moment I ask for help they just die

[swift void]

hey, can someone help me, im new here. my mic stopped working since the last time I played, but I checked and tried everything I can but my mic still wont connect

[mint mica]

Does getting VR Chat Plus let me skip the initial time spent requirement for creating VR Chat Worlds?

Some context: I'm a developer who really wants to create a custom Udon world with some friends and we can't use our instance together until we get the dev requirement.
Alternatively does anyone know how long it would take to be allowed to start developing?

[swift void]

no im on pc

[ruby needle]

Yes it directly gets you from visitor to the new user rank