vrchat-general-2

[languid mason]

or they get someone else to do it

[cursive crypt]

VR/Desktop users = Good

Quest/Quest 2 = Bad

[gleaming kraken]

but sometimes they literally need help from friends to upload it

[languid beacon]

You speak like someone very young

[languid mason]

and if they only play with other quest users, then its easier - just upload a quest only version

[west yoke]

A lot of people use Public avatars. That's no different for Quest.

[cursive crypt]

Tis a joke my good sir

[gleaming kraken]

yeah. quest users usually stick with other quest users. so they really only feel the need to upload for quest.

[umbral horizon]

is there a way to use tts in vr chat?

[languid mason]

now replace the word quest with pc in that sentence

[dapper kelp]

ight. guess im right about quest being separate then. literally crossplays pointless

[languid beacon]

I find it hilarious that pc people actually get upset that quest users don’t care that Pc can’t see them lol

[dapper kelp]

if you put your phone real close to the mic that might work

[umbral horizon]

not like this -_-

[languid mason]

crossplay is awesome though

[unreal verge]

Nah that's fine. I won't have contact with them besides maybe see them anyways

[languid mason]

and its largely the same, apart from platform specific world and avatar differences

[broken plover]

there are programs for desktop that can do tts, and then you output them into a virtual audio cable and use that as the microphone in vrchat

[dapper kelp]

imagine trying to stab someone while playing murder but missing because while you see gray robot they are actually small astronaut

[unreal verge]

I've a mute friend who does that

[languid beacon]

Crossplay is awesome. Quest exclusive worlds are also nice though, it’s nice to take a break and enjoy a world where you can see everyone and you can be 100% sure the world was correctly optimized and not a lag fest

[languid mason]

grey avatars have been scaled properly for a few updates tho

[cursive crypt]

Imagine playing a small/huge avatar in murder

[dapper kelp]

oh. nvm then

yeah. i dont like those people. i only play small avatars because im short irl

[unreal verge]

I'm 40cm small

[languid beacon]

Real life size does not really effect your ability to wear avatars of any size

[gleaming kraken]

he didnt say it did

[cursive crypt]

If your avatar is hard to shoot/stab or kill in a game like murder please don't use it

[odd blaze]

Mostly my avatar is the same as RL and yet i tower over most

[gleaming kraken]

he just prefers it for the.. immersion? i guesss

[dapper kelp]

yeah

i just vibe better in vr when my vr height matches my irl height

[gleaming kraken]

i keep my avatars roughly scaled to my irl height. and the tutorial avatar. i just have hopes that world creators scale to the tutorial avatar..

[languid beacon]

I set my avatar to my real life height which seems to be the tallest or shortest depending on crowd

[unreal verge]

I use small avatars like 90% of the time. But my private ones have different sizes too.

[umbral reef]

Tmw all VRC avatars are around 160CM in size anyway

[cursive crypt]

I usually do character height when importanting avatar's

[umbral reef]

So unless your like even smaller then that, your a fair bit smaller ingame then irl

[languid beacon]

Small avatars are cute but I have nametags off so if they are small AND mute they get totally missed

[dapper kelp]

oof

[short robin]

I don't know my own height help

[unreal verge]

Why turn nameplates off

[dapper kelp]

why pay for vrc+ when you can just upload all your models because there no limit. life hacks. just learn to use the sdk and keep playing free

[cursive crypt]

Measure yourself

[languid beacon]

Driver’s license / ID card

[ruby needle]

Full immersion?

Sometimes they are also in the way

[short robin]

I'm 16

[dapper kelp]

oh. bots don't like caps

[odd blaze]

When there's 40+ people in room there's alot of text in your face if you are taller

[unreal verge]

Mmh ok. I don't like not being able to see with who i am dealing with

[languid beacon]

I don’t care what people’s names are. I am excellent at remembering voices

[unreal verge]

Well i need it for friend list lol

[cursive crypt]

Wants to make avatar "Please don't use model in vrchat"

[languid beacon]

I need it least of all for friends

[unreal verge]

Otherwise i don't know who is who in that list since you can't hear them there

[languid beacon]

I don’t see people names hovering above them in real life and I get along just fine

[dapper kelp]

you're saying that like i wouldn't respect the creators wishes and not use the model

[cursive crypt]

🤷

[languid mason]

do you play with the hud off as well?

[dapper kelp]

yeah. in vr the mic indicator is annoying

[languid beacon]

I would, if I had the ability to only hide the voice indicator but not friend / invite notifications

[languid mason]

im worried if i do, ill forget whether or not my mic is muted or not

oh yeah and notifs

hope we get more hud customization with the ui update

[unreal verge]

They can't really change their look suddenly too. Which obviously helps. But if you don't know the name of a friend and only their voice and use lots of avatars frequently that would make it kinda hard.

[languid beacon]

My avatar makes a local sound when I mute and unmute so I don’t need the mute indicator

[dapper kelp]

if the hud was like rec rooms where you could just check by looking at your wrist that would be good but notifications and the mic indicator are just in your view constantly and i don't vibe with that

[languid mason]

really?? thats neat

or wait is that builtin, i forget

rec room's menu is neat, but god i always hit the buttons accidentally

cant count the number of times me or other people will suddenly disappear because the "go home" button does not have a confirmation like vrchat lmao

[unreal verge]

Rip me then because I already have overlays on my wrists

[languid mason]

whats a good software to do it on pc? im interested as ive been doing more pcvr

[short robin]

Are global sounds a thing in the game where the entire world hears the audio at the same volume at any distance?

[dapper kelp]

oof

[unreal verge]

I use fpsVR and XSOverlay

[languid beacon]

I’m also blue status so if a friend really needs my attention they can come get me lol

[languid mason]

ah xsoverlay is exactly what im looking for, thanks!

[unreal verge]

I'm green or orange depending with who i am together right now

I've some friends who don't like random people joining, then i set myself on orange

[fading yacht]

still downloading at only 200 kb/s suddenly today...my connection still tests at 25 mb/s...anyone else having issues? =x

[languid beacon]

Yeah. But if I don’t know someone well enough to recognize their voice then I probably am not at friend level yet anyway

[cursive crypt]

Yes they exist

[short robin]

Oh God

[unreal verge]

I don't mean that. If i only know their voice but not their name it would make it very difficult to find them in my friend list.

[cursive crypt]

There pretty common

[short robin]

I heard one before on someone's avatar, it was like "username" hAs JOiNEd tHE lobBY uWU"

When they loaded in

[cursive crypt]

Yeah that's the common one

[languid beacon]

Oh I usually learn their name once I friend them. One feature I’d like is for nametags to appear for a short instant as they come on screen and then fade

[short robin]

And they kept doing it I hated it so much

[unreal verge]

Oh ok

I block spawn sounds through disabling everyones avatar who isn't my friend

[languid beacon]

Even with name tags disabled, they still appear when the quick menu is open so it’s no issue to quickly peek

[cursive crypt]

I hate people who have global music or sing/play music through their mics

[short robin]

Are there multiple ways people make crash avatars, or is it just particles?

[gleaming kraken]

i dont think we should discuss that here xD

[languid beacon]

My safety settings are voice, avatar, and shaders for everyone, but sounds, lights, particles, and custom animations only for friends

[cursive crypt]

Badly optimizated Is probably one

[short robin]

Lights and particles is the only thing I have disabled

And I don't get crashed

[gleaming kraken]

avatars. voice. and animations on for everyone. with slowly ramping up everything else. friends have everything on.

[unreal verge]

There are a lot unfortunately. Also some thst bypass safety settings.

[cursive crypt]

I usually have everything on cause I like seeing others cool avatars

[short robin]

How the fuck is it possible to bypass safety settings???? What the hell

[unreal verge]

I got crashed by people even while disabling everyones avatar

[unreal verge]

Some exploits. VRChat doesn't have good security.

[languid beacon]

From what I have seen custom animations are the requirement to crash people. At least the most common method. You can safely enable shaders if custom animations are disabled.

Unless they are crashing the entire room. That will still happen.

[unreal verge]

There are shader crashers too

[gleaming kraken]

oh god i keep shaders off for most people. there are some seriously horrible ones out there.

[short robin]

Don't you need custom animations for avatar 3 stuff?

[gleaming kraken]

yeah

[cursive crypt]

Won't custom animations disable emotes

[languid beacon]

Yes, but without custom animations, shader crashers can really only crash the whole room

[gleaming kraken]

i keep animations on for everyone because of 2.0 inventory systems

[unreal verge]

If you want to really avoid every crasher except world crashers you'll have to disable everyone's avatar

[cursive crypt]

That sucks

[short robin]

I keep shaders on too because of those toon shaders

[hoary zephyr]

i hate online classes ughhhhhhh

[languid beacon]

Yes blocking animations blocks emotes. But seeing the avatars with their full shaders is enough for me

I’d rather see shaders correctly and have emotes missing than the reverse

[unreal verge]

I keep everything off cause loading in avatars after joining a world gets so damn laggy the whole game softlocks. Displaying the avatars after they loaded is not the problem. But people constantly changing avatars will constantly freeze my game.

[short robin]

Why isn't there a hard limit for particles though?

[languid beacon]

There can be you just don’t set it in game

[short robin]

Is it a config file?

[languid beacon]

Yeah

[unreal verge]

I've set max particles to 30k

[short robin]

Gotta check that out

[unreal verge]

Particle crasher don't work on me anymore

[languid beacon]

I have Particles exclusive to friends so I don’t bother

[unreal verge]

People can only crash me with World crash or if they're friends.

[odd blaze]

Wonder when custom screenshot size comming back, 1080p is quite low and the other high res one i always forget about

[ruby needle]

what do you mean come back?

Set it in the config.

[odd blaze]

open beta you could set a custom size for it up to 8k, in json

already have it set, does nothing

[gleaming kraken]

jesus

that sounds like overkill tbh

[languid beacon]

Typing in vr is annoying I wish we could save like 4 statuses to pick from

[odd blaze]

8k is overkill yeh, 2160p is okey

[ruby needle]

Not sure about 8k, but i have set mine to 4k though the config file.

[gleaming kraken]

the ctrl+f12 for 4k ones is enough for me

[odd blaze]

But you could set it on camera instead of the shortcut

Have it set and does nothing for me 🤷‍♂️ open beta it worked

[ruby needle]

    "camera_res_width" : 3840
    "screenshot_res_height" : 2160
    "screenshot_res_width" : 3840```

[west yoke]

8k pictures work for me

You must've set it incorrectly if it's not working

[ruby needle]

Why would you need 8k for anything VRChat tho? 😄

Isn't that just occupying a ton of extra space for little benefit? 😛

[vocal shard]

that would be awesome but its overkill being 8K

[unreal verge]

Why can't i login to VRChat oof

[west yoke]

Well if you can answer why minecraft was experimenting with a option to take a 36,450 x 17,700 screenshot 10 years ago then...

[gleaming kraken]

it was even more ridiculous then because of the lesser storage space back in the day...

[vocal shard]

hmm good point

[odd blaze]

As usual the document about it is sparse, only way i found about that was in the open beta and nothing heard from it since

[unreal verge]

Is VRChat having server problems?

[west yoke]

Also note. 8k only worked if I used Ctrl + F12

[umbral reef]

Fairly sure it aint a supported thing yet...
It also hasnt been in an update log so

[ruby needle]

it is

[odd blaze]

Yeh i just want the 2160p one for camera, i dont use the ctrl one much

[ruby needle]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/configuration-file

[umbral reef]

Not supported as 'its a thing' but supported as 'its an official thing anyone can do without bugs'

[ruby needle]

Documented in there

[odd blaze]

Was not mentioned at all in any update logs

[unreal verge]

Ah now it works5

Thought it was my VPN

Game is having a lot of problems lately

[exotic lake]

Yes, It does!
I can barely get into VRChat at the moment. If I'm lucky I can get into it after around 10 minutes of loading

[unreal verge]

It constantly said Could not login

[exotic lake]

same

or it just crashes

[unreal verge]

Luckily i use Steam to login to my VRChat account so i can just spam that instead of typing my password in every time

[exotic lake]

I should consider doing this

[unreal verge]

Yeah i do this with oculus and Steam

Convenient to login through these methods.

[tulip rose]

I'm in need of some help, so I can run games like League and Genshin Impact- but i lag tramendously in vrchat

[languid beacon]

Yeah user generated content games will always require a much beefier computer than most other games

Most likely nothing is actually wrong

You can try and improve performance by setting graphics to low (hold shift while launching the game)

You can also disable “very poor” avatars in settings. This will hide the avatars that lag the most

[exotic lake]

I have these issues since Sunday. Before that I could load into worls with 30 users and settings on very high. No problem at all.

[tulip rose]

Exactly

[umbral reef]

Also league and genshin impact can run on literal toasters so being able to run those isnt really a good comparison

[tulip rose]

not really

now thats a huge exaggeration

@languid beacon how do I do "very power" avatars in the settings?

[exotic lake]

In the menu -> safety -> and there should be 'performance settings' in the top right corner

[umbral reef]

When league can run fine on 4gb, an geforce 8800 and functions fine with i3's above 3ghz's id argue a toaster can run it

[tulip rose]

yeah its already in very poor lol

[languid mason]

are you running vrchat in a hmd or in desktop mode?

[exotic lake]

Tried to get into it with both. Hmd and desktop. Not possible at all

[languid beacon]

You want it set to Poor if you want to filter out Very Poor

[sharp saddle]

Helloooo.

[native meadow]

Sucks all my avatars are very poor

[short robin]

What makes them very poor

[native meadow]

Polygons Shaders and anything that adds to the looks

[exotic lake]

ah nice! Stuck in the loading screen again. Is there anything planed to fix this?

[native meadow]

Objects and particles

[unreal verge]

My avatar is also very poor

Because of..

One damn dynamic bone too much

[dapper kelp]

bruh. why does my avatar go all black as soon at i try to upload it. is the sdks lighting fricked or my shaders?

ight. tried summoning a spotlight. its the sdks lighting. forgot to add a light source lmao

[hushed vale]

Are seats disabled on quest avatars?

[wanton matrix]

I want one of those driveable cars that's friggin everywhere now
where are people getting the prefabs for that?

[vocal shard]

seats broken in a recent update

[slate sluice]

Wassup

Do anyone have any tips to prevent lag? (i'm playing quest 2 with link)

[ruby needle]

So on PC, you can try lowering settings to desktop low (hold shift during starting of the game)

Else there is your PC hardware you eventually could improve cirISee

[umbral reef]

Block badly optimized avatars
Past that aint a lot you can do

[languid mason]

you can also limit your minimum avatar rank, if thats the issue

[ruby needle]

And setup a particle and dynamic bone limiter

[slate sluice]

Thanks, i'll try those things 🙂

[sharp saddle]

Pretty sure you can search for those.

[slate sluice]

Dose anyone know where i can get an nice looking excellent avatar?

Thanks 🙂

Idk sry

[sharp saddle]

Quest is much more limited in what's available.

[languid beacon]

Was hoping we would get giftable VRC+ before Christmas

[unreal hinge]

the game is constantly not loading things

[rapid karma]

facebook are finally getting lawsuits about the login requirement

thought id share coz it was coming

[vocal shard]

Some things just take time to move up in the system

[rapid karma]

indeed but they're finally gonna get theyt're butts handed to them

[languid beacon]

Nothing will happen. Nothing ever happens

[rapid karma]

alright mr negitive

im sure something will happen

[vocal shard]

Generally being completely unreasonable and hated just because
Always seems to end up something being resolved in court

[rapid karma]

yeah i mean have you seen the facebook copycat things like virtual desktop and yur or is it yri?

but yeah they had it coming

[umbral reef]

Best that will happen is that facebook login wont be allowed within Europa
Everywhere else in the world still be fucked

[rapid karma]

corperations be greedy

[unreal shoal]

anyone know any King Ghidorah or Godzilla avatar ?

[rapid karma]

nah i think they'll have to scrap their login system

[umbral reef]

Worldwide? Lmao, europa cant say shit about that and only european countries are giving a shit about this

[tacit plank]

I hope Facebook burns in hell

And Google

[rapid karma]

i agree but google is okay for now

[umbral reef]

Google has never been okay

[tacit plank]

Amazon is kind of eh, but it's damn convenient I'll give them that

They have, long ago

[umbral reef]

All big tech companies are evil.
No exceptions at all

[unreal shoal]

I like duck duck go

[rapid karma]

lets be real though people use amazon and google all the time

[tacit plank]

Google is still shit, even if they have a monopoly

[rapid karma]

its not like people are gonna stop

[umbral reef]

Because they both crippled the competition so harshly that any alternative is worse

[tacit plank]

Look in random-chat

[rapid karma]

i mean you have safri and firefox

but they aint much compared

[tacit plank]

Yes, but over 80% of websites use Google Analytics

So those bastards basically have a second instance of my browsing history

[rapid karma]

ah yeah true

[umbral reef]

And the only real competition is Safari but that is because apple forces it onto you what aint a lot better kekw

[tacit plank]

On phones they're harder to avoid still. They're a downright shit search-engine, but there's no better ones (startpage and duckduckgo and searx and probably qwant are just proxies to Google and a few other engines - they're meta-search engines, and don't have their own seperate index)

Apple can burn in hell too

[rapid karma]

yeah im not a fan of safri something about its ui is just ew

[tacit plank]

And Samsung

[umbral reef]

Oh same i really dislike Safari also, im an firefox person myself

[tacit plank]

Firefox used to be good, but now they are anti-user and I recommend Brave instead

[rapid karma]

really firefox has peaked my intrest but ive always found google easier

chrome i mean

[tacit plank]

"Customization? Plugins? Freedom? Fuck you" - Firefox

[umbral reef]

They actually un-did a lot of those policies caffe

[tacit plank]

https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/mozilla.html

This website is good, guy knows what he's talking about

[regal furnace]

only if you know how to use the API

[tacit plank]

Nice try lol. Well, you can reverse-engineer the files from your local avatar cache, but that's generally against the rules and it's hard to restore everything perfectly

Do you have access to your own unitypackage files through the API?

[sharp saddle]

neocities
That the new geocities of yesteryear?

[tacit plank]

Now that I think about it, it might work. I forgot the endpoint, but I remember seeing my own avatars and detailed data about them

[orchid hull]

Nah, it's the latest pets expansion

Lmao

[tacit plank]

Could be, not sure, but it's a solid site

[rapid karma]

unless you have the orignal file on your pc i think not vrchat doesnt have a download avatar feature to desktop/pc wish it did though then i could get my orignal avatar back coz its in vrchat but i lost my files

having to make a new one coz i lost my files

orginisation is the key

[languid beacon]

Yes. It stands for “New Geocites” creator wanted to bring that era back.

[rapid karma]

also backing shit up

[sharp saddle]

That'd be a nightmare for the devs.

[rapid karma]

I'm aware

[languid mason]

it sounds like you people really need to backup your files :V

[sharp saddle]

Oh lawdy.

Was Wix too simple for people?

[languid beacon]

Yeah but Neocites sounds like Geocities that’s a plus right there

[sharp saddle]

I never bothered with Geocities.

[tacit plank]

I might make a neocities if it's old-school enough to be above petty politics and other types of fanaticism

[sharp saddle]

It was an experiment for Web 1.0 for non-devs, imo.

[tacit plank]

I think it was cute

[languid beacon]

I name squat it years ago to get a nice short domain

[languid beacon]

Uh. It was foundational for personal pre-MySpace expression. It’s nothing special now, but back then .. it was geocities was huge

[umbral reef]

I really should get on account squatting for my username

[sharp saddle]

I was too young and inexperienced to know what Geocities was at the time.

Didn't get a PC till the year 2000 and the only thing I knew was AOL, Yahoo! Chatrooms and AIM.

Wasn't interested in running a website.

[white bobcat]

No angelfire?

[rapid karma]

umm... i think a feature like that would be nice save it in the vrchats local files ior something when uploading to the game but again as @sharp saddle says it would be a lot of work for the dev team

also anyone else a red vs blue fan or just me?

i'll show myself to the warthog

[sharp saddle]

I am.

[rapid karma]

nice

does the gif load for you coz damn if it does for me

[sharp saddle]

Embeds don't work here.

#general-media

[rapid karma]

aww

it was a cool one too

it was a caboose Hello

RvB is just a good show

many people compare it to halo because they use assets from the game but it really doesnt need any context for you to understand RvB

okay just realised im geeking out again

haha

i recommend it to people though 17 seasons currently on its 18th its a good watch if you have a fair amount of free time

[maiden mirage]

bAP

[hard needle]

anyone else having problems with vrc connections? pretty much nothing loads properly for me atm. did a complete fresh reinstall of the game, reset all of my networking that i could reset and nothing. It's not that it completely refuses to load, everything is just really slow. It's not my network either cause everything else works just fine

[sharp saddle]

Servers are taking a massive hit again.

Happens every weekend.

[hard needle]

weird thing is that none of my friends who i asked have any issues with loading stuff, it's completely normal for them

[sharp saddle]

What's your specs?

[hard needle]

gtx 1080ti and i7 7700

it used to load everything just fine for the past 3.2k hours i've played vrc for, it just suddenly stopped working overnight

[sharp saddle]

Could be a glitch. Like I said, servers take a hit on the weekend from all the new people joining.

It affects everyone differently.

[vocal shard]

well

i couldn't get a 6800xt... or a 3080. but i did get a 5700 xt

so i'll have to use that until i can get a 3080ti or someting next year

[astral herald]

Is there a vrchat custom avatar maker discord? Was looking to see if I could get some quotes for commissioning something like that.

[carmine zephyr]

Jeez... still having login trouble. It doesn't even take long for the client to just fail either instead of waiting for the timeout

hmm.... nevermind. Seems Steam logins are broken

[astral herald]

Oh dope, do you have any invite links?

[sharp saddle]

#community-servers-old

[languid mason]

same, but the 5700 xt is an awesome chip

no problem with vrchat certainly

[astral herald]

It's fine I found a link for a server in the community tab 👍

[vocal shard]

im glad i didnt get cyberpunk 2077

[sharp berry]

someone doing 12 days of vrchat anyone want to help?
like the song 12 Days of Christmas

[primal pollen]

any one in here nerdy enough to help me overclock my Ryzen 9 3900X? 🙂

[ruby needle]

If you really wanna ask random people to help you with OC'ing... try in #general-media

[primal pollen]

thank you 🙂

[vocal shard]

timeout nr 17 today

[amber juniper]

don't do it

I tried it with my 3800x and the best I got was a slightly worse performance than with just PB2. The algorithm for boosting is quite good. Unless you want the last 0.5 or 1% or you want to go to extremes with sub zero cooling and stuff, it's not worth it

(to invest that much time)

[primal pollen]

PB2?

[amber juniper]

precision boost 2

[primal pollen]

oh

idk about that stuff

[amber juniper]

just enable that, and lift the limits of your mainboard (if you have a good mainboard) should be enough for almost all

[primal pollen]

but I do know VR chat sometimes laggy as all get up and I know it cant be my PC

[amber juniper]

oh, it's the unoptimized user created content

[primal pollen]

how do you optimize it?

[amber juniper]

and some unoptimized unity assets like dynamic bones

[olive cape]

ey

i love vrchat wish i would play it

[amber juniper]

well... that's quite a rabbit hole...

let's just say... the creators need to optimize their models more, and the users need to be aware what they are doing to others in the same instance if they choose to use an avatar with like 200 materials and 4000 dynamic bone collider checks

[primal pollen]

How do I do this?

[amber juniper]

well, you can't really influence it that much, apart from performance blocking

just block every very poor avatar per default, and enable them manually if you want to see it (if you for example talk to that person)

[primal pollen]

was talking about the PB on my CPU and mainboard limits?

[amber juniper]

ah...

well... there's a thing, called Search engine ;)
seriously, someone like gamersnexus or jaystwocents can explain it way better than I could

[primal pollen]

yeah google i did

youtube I did

All gibberish I dont understand

[amber juniper]

but it doesn't matter if you have the best available CPU overclocked to the max and use liquid helium to cool it, VRChat will still run badly if there are a lot of unoptimized avatars there

even the fastest cashier can't work through hundreds of customers per minute ;)

[vocal shard]

Yeah people say all kinds of shit until they actually want to make a performance optimized avatar.

[olive cape]

um hi

[south harbor]

Harro!

[amber juniper]

I still wish that the VRChat dev team would create their own version of dynamic bones, or just whitelist something like that: https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/particles-effects/boing-kit-dynamic-bouncy-bones-grass-water-and-more-135594
which apparently can take advantage of the Unity Job Scheduler, which means multiple threads, and in turn better performance even with fancy bouncy stuff

oh, but it uses a slightly newer unity engine: "2018.4.23"

/rant

[primal pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/bunnies-what-confused-meh-gif-13712192

[lament root]

e

[amber juniper]

but yeah, if you are in an instance and there is a bunch of such avatars: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/775620658843222066/785135746012151858/Desktop_2020.11.25_-_21.40.19.02_Trim_Trim.mp4

those a lot of the time the reason for quite bad performance...

try to solve the P versus NP problem

[vocal shard]

vrchat has to be open sourced

[ruby tiger]

no

[faint skiff]

@amber juniper I don't think everyone making worlds and avatars would be too happy with a mandatory $60 purchase

[amber juniper]

well, if it's better than the 20$ dynamic bones?

[vocal shard]

One that would take advantage of GPU, the issue is the complexity of dynamic collisions. From what I have read, the CPU needs to update drawcalls for the GPU for each dynamic bone in order. Maybe some sort of tensor optimization so the GPU can independently workout whats happening and have it as an RTX setting? I mean AAA studios can't even do dlss/RT or AI tensor intergration right, this would be even more involved creating a new unity asset and optimizing it for new hardware.

[faint skiff]

$12

[carmine zephyr]

If you want an open sourced VR experience, go with High Fidelity... and considering it shutdown in January, the only options are their two popular forks.
And considering that making it open source lead to it being a security nightmare, since everyone could find the problems with the systems... yeah, being open source isn't some magic answer to the problems

[primal pollen]

you guys are making my head spin

[west yoke]

A lot of people aren't a huge fan of the $20 purchase for dynamic bones. What's that to say about $60?

[amber juniper]

well, that's more a game engine thing, and don't forget that not all have tensor cores in their GPUs...
I guess it would also make sense to switch to Vulkan instead of directx aswell

[primal pollen]

anyways I guess I will just deal with it

[amber juniper]

if it's better, I happily purchase it

[ruby needle]

If you wanna dump basically every made content a switch to vulcan would work well

[frosty veldt]

Why drop $20 on dynamic bones when you can drop $90 on Final IK 🤔

[amber juniper]

well, there is always a time where you need to abandon old stuff

[carmine zephyr]

Honestly, I have no issues buying anything. I had to pay $250 a month for a world to be hosted, and I did that for 6 years.

[old sable]

basically vr chat says logging my username then it makes me login again to be spefic

wierd tho lol

[ruby needle]

what?

[amber juniper]

second life

[carmine zephyr]

Yep. Second Life sims cost $200 a month, but I had a higher tier with grandfather pricing. It did help I was also making money on it, which paid for the world. I tried to convince my business partner to port some stuff over here, but they were hell bent on not doing so until they got a VR headset... despite the fact you honestly don't need one for VRC

[frosty veldt]

Having VR does change the pipeline

[carmine zephyr]

true, but their problem is that they've given me every excuse under the sun as to not joining, with that one being the one they finally settled with. While I do get having VR is good for testing, at that point, they'd also need a full body setup to ensure that works as well. For basic testing, just desktop mode isn't too bad

since I have SL on the mind... one thing that got me thinking: in Second Life, a feature was added called 'experience keys', which basically allows a script to access a global (but small) databank per user for users who accepted the experience key. This makes it so every time the script starts, it can refer to the same data at any time. Think of it like an experience system in a world, that if you spun up another instance, the world could still recall the same experience system and all your information from the last instance. I really do wonder what world creators could do with that kind of idea

[amber juniper]

I guess that will never happen in VRChat...

[frosty veldt]

I think there are some hacky workarounds via video players and reading pixels off of them per custom URL's and personal links but I'm mainly going off hearsay. Something simple was on the roadmap but I think security problems are holding it back mainly.

[amber juniper]

but it would be nice to have some kind of persistent data... sadly if it's not done right, and hosted by VRC it self, it can (and probably will) get abused

[ruby tiger]

a key-value store would be enough

[amber juniper]

yeah, video players are basically the only possible way to make a http(s) request...

[carmine zephyr]

Yep. That's basically all experience keys are in SL (well, asside from permission storage so it doesn't ask again for certain things, but VRC doesn't really have that so...). I think you only get like 1kb of possible key-value storage, and at least in its current form, 1 creator can only create 1 experience key, and must be a premium user to avoid abuse. Also, users can opt out of experiences at anytime

[amber juniper]

with that, people could create huge puzzle worlds for example... the only other solution would be something like they did on Gameboy and other plattforms where you sometimes couldn't save, and just give you like a password, and if you enter it in the world, you can go back to the last "save point"

[frosty veldt]

I was going to mention that, old NES style "Hey you got to a checkpoint, heres a password to get back" is already possible albeit lame

[ruby tiger]

Since I don't know I must ask: Is there no way for world creators to store any kind of persistent data (even local)?

[carmine zephyr]

hmm..... does udon offer some kind of bitshifting functionality? That's mostly what the password systems used for that...

[frosty veldt]

Udon cant write locally to your PC IIRC, otherwise its basically a virus lmao

[vocal shard]

Wouldnt just better nvidia driver optimization for the dynamic bones script solve many problems?

[amber juniper]

not that I am aware of

[ruby tiger]

So there is no way to store per-world preferences?

[vocal shard]

You have people buying their top cards for VR, they must have some incentive.

[amber juniper]

it runs completly on the cpu, and isn't multithreaded, all calculations are getting done in the main thread...

[frosty veldt]

Dynamic bones is just a unity prefab made by some dude, its not like some high end script

[amber juniper]

AFAIK

[carmine zephyr]

from what I understand, you can 'read' data from a central storage form, but not write. SO even if someone created their own system, the most they can do is set world conditions, but not have users store their own pieces of information in any way. Then again, I haven't dived deep into world creation, but that's been what I've noticed so far

[vocal shard]

Thats the thing. Everyone uses it and there is no reasonable alternative for unity

[frosty veldt]

Hopefully VRC makes their own sooner, rather than later

[vocal shard]

Nvidia's new GPU's are more than just cuda crunchers too. I guess it just comes down to developers

[carmine zephyr]

High Fidelity eventually added their own solution to the clients natively, which I think was based on bullet or something

[amber juniper]

there is, but it needs to be whitelisted

but for now, people should just optimize there stuff more, and users should be aware what they are doing if they decide to use unoptimized avatars

[carmine zephyr]

truth

[amber juniper]

I wish there would be seperate ranking system, where if you use for example a very poor avatar for to long, you get automaticaly perf blocked for everyone

[vocal shard]

I have something that.works.on quest and is fbt but over 10mb so it still gets performance blocked

[carmine zephyr]

When I go to pubs, I usually look around for quest users and will switch to my quest optimized avatars when needed so they can get a better experience.

[vocal shard]

After I'm done redoing the textures maybe I'll be able.to.get it under like 10mb

[amber juniper]

and the only way to come out of it would be that you use a more optimized avatar...

[frosty veldt]

That isnt a good idea, because then people stuck in that rut would have no reason to ever make or use a better performing avatar

[carmine zephyr]

have you tried crunching textures?

[vocal shard]

Hahaha this is exactly what im doing

I feel like I'm optimizing for network DL and pointless things when reducing texture quality after taking out all the DB's

[amber juniper]

have you tried to bake the textures? basically create new ones based on the old ones?

[vocal shard]

What is the point of limiting mb to 10mb. I want textures to appear detailed.

[amber juniper]

I have that problem right now... the model I'm working with has 8k textures...

[carmine zephyr]

Not to mention, there is one mor ething. Coming from Second Life, not everyone is a creator, and thus you are usually at the mercy of creators to make optimized stuff. The problem is, creators usually aren't enticed to do this. Heck, over there, there were simple accessories with 15 materials, all 1k textures (SL's max is 1k). It boils down to people who make stuff to be uploaded to keep that all in mind as well. Plus, Android uploading at this time is still a PITA, and I wish it was made easier, but even VRC is at the mercy of Unity not being a pile of garbage for that target

[frosty veldt]

Quest only has so much HDD space

[vocal shard]

Guys it was my first day in Vr Chat and I just checked the time and I’ve been in it for 14 hours straight só my question is. Is it worth getting the vr headset?

[old sable]

@vocal shard u no u can increase the mb on avatar settings

[amber juniper]

that's up to you

[ruby tiger]

Yes

[amber juniper]

for me the answer was yes

[vocal shard]

I have put everything into a single texture atlas

Hmm I’m thinking about getting one

[amber juniper]

I even got a better one, and trackers, and more trackers >.>

[vocal shard]

What’s the best one ?

[ruby tiger]

Wireless or wired?

[vocal shard]

@old sable I'm talking about the default performance hiding above 10mb on quest.

[frosty veldt]

Thing is in VRC the actual performance can be distant from the calculated performance rank. Leads to misunderstandings especially with non-creators

[amber juniper]

I guess, Index, or maybe G2 and knuckles

[carmine zephyr]

Well, depends. If you enjoyed your time in desktop mode, you can think of it like taking the world you see and moving to where you are now. SO generally speaking, yes

[vocal shard]

Index is $1000 correct?

😮😮

[ruby tiger]

G2 with knuckles means mixing two tracking systems (which may suck)

[ruby needle]

G2 and Knuckles is also as much if not more then Index full set.
So... just get the Index full set instead. 😄

[amber juniper]

yup... that's why I want more control over, so I can decide that I'm okay with 100k polygon avatars, but not with ones that have 200 materials or 4000 collider checks

[vocal shard]

Like the rift s or the quest as they are way cheaper than the index

[ruby tiger]

You asked for the best options, not in-budget

[amber juniper]

yeah, but the G2 controllers are just garbage, I have two friends who have it, and one already ordered knuckles before the G2 arrived, they are really bad, and the tracking volume is really small

[carmine zephyr]

Yes. The index is $1000 as the entire package, which includes finger tracking and a very good headset. That is basically the Rolls Royce of VR experiences.
If you want to save on money, the Quest 2 isn't a bad option, and can run wirelessly with a modified Virtual Desktop client (assuming your Wifi is up to the task). The only issue is that you basically need a good standing Facebook account, and having the Zuck monitor what you do at all times

[vocal shard]

I went index full kit + htc 2.0 trackers. I didn't think I'd be making vrc assets lol

[carmine zephyr]

HOWEVER, Note that the Quest/Any Oculus Devices CANNOT do 'full body' tracking

[sharp saddle]

By itself, no.

[vocal shard]

Hmmm

[ruby needle]

Actually, you can use a third tracker on PC, and other kinda FBT is in research aswell.

[amber juniper]

yes, but actually no

[carmine zephyr]

I'm working on a solution for that, but my research is still in the works...

[vocal shard]

I have ended up wasting more time drinking with other creators than actually doing anything productive too

[hollow ingot]

No native support.

[amber juniper]

this

[dry hollow]

yoo the game has COMPLETELY changed for furry users

[carmine zephyr]

Yes, I know, no native support and you can get the light houses and do some trickery, but if you are going on a budget, at that point, you should have just gotten an Index/Vive

[dry hollow]

https://twitter.com/msevenrk/status/1338634882948472832?s=20

someone made a straight up in depth character creator

[amber juniper]

yeah, in the end it's almost as expensive to get the index + trackers, than getting a quest 2/G2 and lighthouses and trackers

[vocal shard]

Heard someone talking about one called. VIVE? idk tho

[carmine zephyr]

If you want a real bang for your buck solution, and do not mind getting stuff used: you can get an OG HTC Vive. From there, you can slowly upgrade towards an index, as the hand controllers do work with the V1 lighthouses

[vocal shard]

G2 is not an index replacement. It is priced between.

[ruby tiger]

If you are going to play wired, don't go for Vive Pro

[ruby needle]

The HTC Vive is one of the first gen headset's, and by now very outdated.

Same for the Oculus CV1

[vocal shard]

Ah ok I see

[carmine zephyr]

Yes. HTC Vive. That was my first headset, and honestly you can 'upgrade' it with parts from the Index

[amber juniper]

that's what I did, and just recently completed the upgrade with the installation of 3 2.0 base stations

[vocal shard]

I feel bad for people buying the rift s.

I’m trying to go for a full body but I don’t really wanna spend 1000

[ruby needle]

Or just buy a modern headset and not waste money on old tech with low fidelity

[amber juniper]

in the end it's way less hassle, and almost as expensive than not going for the index ;)

[vocal shard]

Hmm I see

Just go index, RMA/customer support is basically no questions asked replacements and troubleshooting.

You will never be limited if you want to get into dev stuff.

You get what you pay for man.

Well as it’s my first day in the game and I loved it I think I’m just going to get a Rift S or quest just in the begging and in the future maybe update

Go for quest 2. Rift s is dated.

[amber juniper]

maybe hold back a bit, and wait what 2021 will bring

[vocal shard]

Yh true

[carmine zephyr]

You'll have to have some kind of compromises. If you want brand new, as far as I'm aware, your only otpions are Index + Trackers. If you want the cheaper, used route, then the HTC Vive will leave you with more options, including full body tracking later on or even upgrading with Index controllers and even the headset later on. Generally speaking (key phrase here; GENERALLY SPEAKING), the Oculus does not offer full body by default and is not supported.
That all also being said, a new contender for VR Headsets is coming out (Decagear?) and that may prove interesting to see what they bring to the table

[vocal shard]

Cheap out on a quest2, learn all the tricks with it and focus on upgrading PC to be a PCVR beast while saving for the next gen

Hmm I see thanks a lot

In like 2 years you will have the best everything with little compromise.

I think I’m going to wait a bit to see what comes out In 2021

[amber juniper]

yeah, but that "hiptracker" thing that the decagear has, does not track spacial data

[vocal shard]

Piece of advice, don't hold your breath on unreleased hardware.

For all we know, quest 2 could go out of stock until its discontinued

[carmine zephyr]

beleive me, I wasn't implying it did. As far as I'm aware, it would require also VRC or any app to support its features natively, asside from the new control scheme offerings

[vocal shard]

Id get it now if you don't have any VR and focus on your PC upgrades and saving for the next gen.

[amber juniper]

well, not really... if they implement openvr/xr it shouldn't be a big deal

[carmine zephyr]

That being said, I think the general consensus can agree with the following NOT to get unless you really really hate yourself:

1. HP Reverb G2 - It isn't the worst, but it also isn't the best. For that price tag, just get the Quest 2
2. Rift S - Due to being retired soon and due to audio issues
3. HTC Cosmos - Just... no. It isn't very good and has a laundery list of issues
4. HTC Pro - Just get an Index. You're welcome. It's the same price.

[amber juniper]

of course, lipsync and eyetracking is not supported by VRC, but the finger tracking could be implemented

[amber juniper]

this

[vocal shard]

I think Facebook/occulus is going to be going through some legal trouble and pushing out more headsets ain't going to be its top priority

They are going to be spending money keeping their consumers and devs locked in and on legal challenges.

[amber juniper]

the G2 headset is really good, but the controllers are just trash, and in some games almost unusable (because of the placement of the tracking cameras)

[carmine zephyr]

Yeah, but I mean like the hip and feet tracking doesn't show up as a form of tracker, so most apps wouldn't have normal support. That's been number 1 on my to worry about list with my project is making sure it can create virtual trackers so people who do make apps/games do not need to do anything special

[vocal shard]

As for decagear, I'll believe it when its in my hands.

The only real option is HTC or Valve.

[ruby tiger]

5. HTC Vive Pro with wireless adapter (until Valve comes up with their wireless solution) + Index controllers

[vocal shard]

Wireless isn't exactly a good thing

[amber juniper]

you got a point on that one

[ruby tiger]

It absolutely is

[vocal shard]

One more thing i know the rift s runs connected to the pc and the quest 2 doesn’t have to but what’s better tho ? Connected or not as I think there’s some things a quest can’t see in vrchat such as some avatars I’m not sure tho

Yes but the compromises

[carmine zephyr]

kind of sad it didnt really work out. Extra shame that VirtualDesktop can't act as a substitute handler for tha tkind of thing

[vocal shard]

Batteries suck. Pushing high res content over wifi has its limitations

[ruby tiger]

Sure, but the freedom is amazing

[vocal shard]

Latency/tracking is more important in terms of immersion than having a wire.

[ruby tiger]

Vive Pro wireless uses 60 GHz wifi

[carmine zephyr]

The Quest 2 can connect to the PC with 2 ways:

1. Officially, you can use a Oculus Link cable, which is a special USB C cable. You can use specific USB 3 cables as well, but results may vary
2. Unofficially, you can do wirelessly with Virtual Desktop, after you side load the modified version from the creator (because Facebook wasn't happy a 3rd party creator made a better solution than they did)

The Rift S connects... I think with DIsplay Port + 1 USB 3.0 connector

[vocal shard]

I have tried both even in multi-player arcades.

[amber juniper]

on standalone mode, you can only go to quest compatible worlds, and use/see quest compatible avatars, they are also limited, there are no sound sources, no video players, no dynamic bones, a specific amount of shaders

[vocal shard]

I own an index because as soon as I put one on, I got my own withing 2 weeks.

[carmine zephyr]

To add: The Quest 2 can run either standalone, meaning it uses its own self to handle everything. This will limit you to what @amber juniper mentioned. If you plug your Quest into your PC, it will basically act like a Rift S, giving you all the PC benefits.

[ruby tiger]

If you don't need wireless then the Index is the better option

[vocal shard]

Hmm I see

So imma go for the quest 2 with the proper cable for pc then

Thanks a lot guys

Thats your best option. If you go htc, once you factor in the add-ons to get a wireless experiance, you still don't have knuckles lol

I just think the index full kit for $1000 is completely reasonable

[ruby tiger]

At least you can buy the Index controllers separately from Valve

[carmine zephyr]

yep. The Quest 2 is a great (and cheap) starting point. Later on, if you do want full body, you will have some curveballs, but overall, the Quest 2 is Mr. Reliable in the VR department

[vocal shard]

Say you want to do that after getting a headset, the 2.0 base station alone is going to cost a kidney from a 3rd party

[amber juniper]

unless they (Facebook) decides to ban you :P

[amber juniper]

for the cost of my basestations, I could have bought 2 quest 2s...

[vocal shard]

Exactly why people should only buy the full kit lol

[carmine zephyr]

....repeating because the bot is a bit sensitive: Make sure you have a good standing facebook account before buying it, or it will be a $300 paperweight

[vocal shard]

300$ if you break one controller outside of RMA and if you screw up your base stations and they are outside of RMA you are screwed

[amber juniper]

unless you are in germany, they don't sell it there at the moment, because the government doesn't like the push for a facebook account (what they did is basically illegal in the EU)

[ruby needle]

Gotta buy it though Austria

[vocal shard]

Being able to sign in vrc and be at 144hz with 1 other person in a optimizated avatar is something only an index will provide.

[carmine zephyr]

yeah, I remember hearing that a few months back. I know other parts of EU also jumped onto the bandwagon as well

[amber juniper]

or switzerland, they are in stock here...

[ruby needle]

True but that is meaning import tax and currency conversion

Austria is € aswell

[amber juniper]

well, forget 144Hz on VRC, but it is nice in Eleven Table Tennis

[carmine zephyr]

yeah.... 144hz on Beat Saber... Pavlov... generally all other experiences, is just a lot nicer

[amber juniper]

yeah, and the swiss franc is stable as always, now it holds even more value than the euro or dollar ;)

[vocal shard]

I found some tricks. Turn off all smoothing and test places that keep GPU below 94%

Target for about 40-50%

[carmine zephyr]

playing Alyx again (first round was on the HTC VIve) is just... man, I can see how the Index was made with everything it had in mind

[vocal shard]

Then use two optimized avatars and limit dynamic bones.

[amber juniper]

same here, but I was also amazed how good it looked on a dated HTC Vive

[vocal shard]

And like magic my menu reads 144ish hz

[amber juniper]

yeah... but I like to talk to several people, you know discussions and stuff

[vocal shard]

I can probably get 120hz with a few people. I haven't tested that.

[amber juniper]

I'm happy that I can reach stable 45 or more FPS in public worlds with 20 random people...

[vocal shard]

Most people don't care if they sit at 24 frames dripping infront of the void mirror

As long as their trash jiggles.

is htc vive good on gpu?

[amber juniper]

shhh! don't talk about the mirror dwellers, you will disturb the spacetime continuum

[vocal shard]

currently in my home world starring at myself..

[carmine zephyr]

Eh... yes? I mean it has less pixels to drive so...

[amber juniper]

yeah, it has a lower resolution... but you can also turn down the resolution on newer headsets, it will just look more blurry

[vocal shard]

avg % with vive?

[ruby needle]

Vive is the worst looking (IMO) not only is it pretty low base rez but also has it a insanely bad SDE

[vocal shard]

I have my render on index at 200% that seems to be the sweet spot. 150% if I'm in a test world

[amber juniper]

something between 1-99% I guess

[vocal shard]

bc i plan on getting one and i have a 2070 super

jesus..

[ruby needle]

a Vive?

[vocal shard]

yeah

[carmine zephyr]

That will vary with your PC. If we want to time travel, I had games use 100% of my GPU on my Oculus DK2 when I had a GTX680 Lightning

[ruby needle]

You really shouldnt get one these days

[amber juniper]

are you sure you aren't running in to reprojection?

[vocal shard]

but i want fbt ?

[ruby needle]

The OG Vive is so outdated first gen tech.

[vocal shard]

I use super sampling on my rtx 3080

ah.. but fbt tho ?

[ruby needle]

Get a Index kit, and if you cant now, save up

You'll hate your self for buying a vive at these day and age

[amber juniper]

I would love to see the graphs of fpsVR on that one

[vocal shard]

kinda impatient.. plus its kinda an impulse interest

I have an absurd VR studio for an amature with no experience in vr dev

[amber juniper]

than it's more important to wait

[vocal shard]

is running hybrid better than just getting a normal vive?

[ruby needle]

Quality wise if you can live and deal with the quriks, yes

massively

OG Vive is very awful visually, the wand's also suck. (Especially V1)

[vocal shard]

Check out the half-life alyx 308p benchmarks on index

[carmine zephyr]

yes, but here's the thing you are 100% missing: If someone doesn't have VR... how are they going to know? To them, VR is a thing they never tried. We're pioneers who have seen the old being made better. I was in shock when I put my Vive on for the first time after having played with my DK2 with Razer Hydras. I used it all the way until earlier this year when I ugpraded the headset to the Index. The thing is... The Vive is still a good headset.

That being said, yes, the Index is still the best to go with if you CAN go with it.

[vocal shard]

They are pretty insane they on yt

[carmine zephyr]

also, I will defend the Vive wands: I cannot play Beatsaber with my glorious Index controllers. I need mah wands!

[ruby needle]

Anything beats a vive visually, even CV1.

[ruby needle]

About the only thing they actually are getting loved for

[amber juniper]

yeah, in some games the wands are a bit better than the knuckles

[modern hill]

Lol

[olive cape]

im waiting for my quest 2 for krimah

[modern hill]

Awe

[olive cape]

to play vrchat

[modern hill]

Pat pat

[olive cape]

thanks

my fav anime character is honey

[vocal shard]

but so many ppl are using vive perfectly fine?

thats like usually what everyone in fbt has..

[carmine zephyr]

it'll be okay. Just make sure your facebook account has plenty of posts praising its soon to be arrival so it'll be in good standing when it arrives

[modern hill]

It's because the lighthouse tracking

[ruby needle]

Most of these allready had one since the beginning tho, it's just by todays standards not worth, you can also only get them used and without any warranty of it breaking down in a few weeks

[vocal shard]

isnt that good ? the whole base station stuff right?

[olive cape]

i know that thing but i want to play vrchat even if i cant see pc players

[amber juniper]

I would say, if you can get a used HTC Vive, one in good condition for really cheap, it could be an option, I just recently saw one for 150, which is actually a good price

[carmine zephyr]

So here's the thing: Full Body tracking currently uses the HTC Vive Trackers. These glorified hockey pucks rely on the Light Houses from either the Index (Gen2) or Vive (Gen1). This is why the Vive is considerred a good starting point in some cases, simply because it has the Gen 1 light houses, which are compatable with the Trackers. Oculus's devices use cameras and are thus not directly compatable with the trackers.

[vocal shard]

thats what im saying..

[ruby needle]

full set?

[modern hill]

I'll use a quest compatible avatar for u

[vocal shard]

ik one for 200 and i could just throw 300 more and boom fbt

[amber juniper]

yep, even with VRCovers included and DAS

[olive cape]

ok

[ruby needle]

Sounds like a scam

[olive cape]

thanks

im a boy also

[carmine zephyr]

I've seen some Vives that even come with the trackers on ebay for a decent price

[amber juniper]

I don't think so

[vocal shard]

i mean if im meeting the person in real life whats the worst ?

also this isnt the first case

[ruby needle]

I mean, for 150 for a full set i'd buy a vive for sure

but it's more starting 250-300 normally and... nah

[amber juniper]

the plattform where the ad was, is well known here and they do take a lot of actions against scams

[carmine zephyr]

eh... $200 isn't too bad for a used device. If it comes with the Deluxe Audio Strap, then it's totally a good price

[modern hill]

I kinda want to go native lighthouse and I'm considering just getting the vive as a starting point lel

[vocal shard]

200 and i can just buy trackers on my own like idk what would be wrong.. full kit

[olive cape]

rift s has a low price to 300$

[carmine zephyr]

so big thing: Do you know if the offer has the Deluxe Audio Strap? (Basically, the headphones on a harder shell strap)

[modern hill]

That's still a hard buy, since the quest 2 is better in almost every way

[ruby tiger]

Facebook is a huge minus

[vocal shard]

not sure

[ruby needle]

Rift S has the same fate as a new users

[amber juniper]

you really want the Deluxe Audio Strap, it's way WAY more comfortable

[vocal shard]

id have to look again

[modern hill]

U need facebook for the rift s if ur a new user though

[olive cape]

i also wish for a new phone cause my old phone is in a coma and cant wake up

[ruby tiger]

I was lucky enough to get rid of my Rift S before that announcement

[ruby needle]

Or at lates by 2023 if you already have a Oculus account.

[vocal shard]

is the deluxe audio strap bad?

[carmine zephyr]

Yeah but... they did discontinue Oculus registrations... so even if you got a Rift S, it'd still require a facebook account

[modern hill]

Or after 2023 if u still haven't liked

[olive cape]

i might get the elite strap also

[amber juniper]

no, it's good, you want that with the Vive

[carmine zephyr]

careful with that one: they pulled a few down from sale due to sited issues

[ruby needle]

(And you do absulutly want that with the vive)

[olive cape]

@modern hill your in vr anime society im in it too

[modern hill]

Yesh I'm a 2 yr member there

[olive cape]

im a week member

[modern hill]

Maybe longer by now

[vocal shard]

i just googled.. i dont think i would want that.. i want to use my wireless headset.

[modern hill]

Welcome

[vocal shard]

or is that something u cant do w vive?

[carmine zephyr]

The Deluxe Audio Strap does a few things:

1. Adds more comfort to the headset
2. Adds its own headphones (which aren't too bad)
3. Actually attempts to distrobute the weight around

It's so good, Quest users have adopted it into "Fraken Quest" mods and is the only real reason HTC still sells the darn thing

[modern hill]

Funny thing is I've never made it to a single event

[ruby needle]

You can get a expensive wireless thing for the VIVE, yes.

Or... Quest2 with third party software for free. 👀

[olive cape]

i made it to the minecraft event

[carmine zephyr]

you CAN do wireless Vive but.... really... don't ... suggest... that....

[amber juniper]

you can still use a different headphones with the DAS, you can remove the headphones. But they are actually quite good

[vocal shard]

DAS?

[modern hill]

Anyways good night

[amber juniper]

Deluxe Audio Strap

[vocal shard]

ah

[olive cape]

night

[ruby needle]

I mean, aren't they the whole reason for the Deluxe AUDIO strap ?

[carmine zephyr]

__D__deluxe __A__udio __S__trap

[vocal shard]

wait so w the normal vive headset my wireless headset wont work?

night @olive cape

[amber juniper]

well, the strap itself is way more comfortable than the belts... it's heavier on the back (which is a good thing for balance)

[ruby needle]

You will need a pretty expensive wireless transmitter set for wireless

[carmine zephyr]

well, there's an addon for the Vive to make it wireless, but it isn't natively wireless. I also think the addon for the Vive actually uses the DAS for hooking onto

[ruby needle]

it's like 400bucks

[vocal shard]

what do i search

wtf?

[carmine zephyr]

yeah. It is not cheap and it isn't perfect at all

[ruby tiger]

and you need a good CPU

[ruby needle]

At which point you could just buy a Quest2 and lighthouses and use Quest with FBT 😛 And have better quality.

[vocal shard]

on a wireless headset thats powered via usb?

[carmine zephyr]

The Vive isn't pwoered from USB

[vocal shard]

i was saying my headphones..

[carmine zephyr]

OOOH

[vocal shard]

Again, wireless is a gimmick.

[ruby tiger]

ne

[vocal shard]

You gunna need battery packs

[ruby needle]

I disagree, but it's expensive.

[carmine zephyr]

uh I mean.... you 'can' use your wireless headphones, but... I don't know why you would want to

[vocal shard]

because theyre great

[ruby needle]

You need battery packs for the FBT trackers and WAND's anyway

[carmine zephyr]

the Vive has its own audio port, which either the DAS or normal headphoens tap into, and the Vive has its own microphone

[vocal shard]

so much bass i be vibing in these mf

[ruby tiger]

isn't Vive microphone shiat?

[ruby needle]

It is

[vocal shard]

I have the straps for my trackers which is 18 hours ish

[carmine zephyr]

OOH dont' get me started. I worked as customer support in VR and that was the FIRST thing I swapped out

[ruby needle]

Aka... a battery pack.

[vocal shard]

wait so if headphones powered via usb it wouldnt work ?

Then my index controllers connect to a battery bank in my hoodie.

[carmine zephyr]

All hail modmic and a USB sound card

[vocal shard]

I'm still limited by the headset wire.

aux cables work tho right ?

[carmine zephyr]

yes

[ruby needle]

I you want another cable that is.

[carmine zephyr]

you can use aux, but it is only for output. If you want input aux (mic/line in), you'll need something for that

[vocal shard]

ah

whats that

[carmine zephyr]

THANKFULLY, the Vive has a pass through USB port on it. I used it for a Mod Mic so my microphone wasn't trash

[vocal shard]

i need to in/out

wait i can just plug my headset into that?>

[carmine zephyr]

yeah, though you will need a USB extension cable, since it's pretty hidden

[vocal shard]

Think about it like this, the quest does wireless but the content is severely limited compared to PCVR. HTC's solution is expensive, requires good wifi to begin with and the tracking/fps isn't as good.

oh thats fine

[carmine zephyr]

if you have a headset that is already wireless, then the headset will 100% not interfere with it

[ruby needle]

Quest with VD does wireless and has PC stuff tho.

That's the killer deal here.

[vocal shard]

bet

yeah i do

[carmine zephyr]

you can even tell Windows you don't want to use the Vive's audio, and it will not do so

[vocal shard]

ahhh

great

[ruby needle]

I mean, you can do that on all headsets. 😄

[carmine zephyr]

the thing is that kind of defeats the purpose of the DAS, which is that you can more easily slip the HMD on and off

[vocal shard]

You can't compare things like refresh rate, tracking or fov on quest 2 to index

basically only thing im worried about is what the usage on my pc will be

[carmine zephyr]

but if I remember, the headphoens on the DAS can be removed... just I haven't ever had the need to

well.... what do you mean by usage?

[vocal shard]

like cpu / gpu / ram

i dont want my room to be hot as shit from my pc lol

[carmine zephyr]

VR applications typcailly put a higher toll on CPU and GPU. Not really RAM

[vocal shard]

ah

I know I sound like an index shill but the only two options are index and of you can't spent that kind of money then Q2

as long as its literally not 90%

[carmine zephyr]

remember: you are asking your PC to now render 2 things: your left and right eyes. Previouisly, it only had to render 1

[vocal shard]

ah

[ruby needle]

I mean, there is the Reverb G2

And technically Vive Pro / Cosmos Elite

[vocal shard]

Its for nobody though

so it would just double current ?

bc its like 38 cpu / gpu on vrc

Your better off with Q2 and a better graphics card than a G2

[carmine zephyr]

well... yes and no. Think of it like this: each time it has to render, it has to make sure it has everything lined up and ready: when it does the second render, it just has to move the camera a little, and do it again, but everything is already lined up

[ruby needle]

Sure, but it's gotta be mentiond for completion

[carmine zephyr]

so it isn't really like 2x requirements, but generally speaking, it is more intensive regardless

[vocal shard]

It drives me crazy seeing people buy the rift s, link their vrc account to their steam and I see them like a week in and they ask how they can get better performance with litterally a 1060 6gb and an old i5.

[carmine zephyr]

don't judge me: I was using an i5 and a GTX 980 for the longest while back 4 years ago

[vocal shard]

Then I tell them they are running the absolute bare minimum and they would of been better with a Q2

ah

It is more common than you think lol

[ruby needle]

Nothing wrong with a modern i5... alsways mention model number

[carmine zephyr]

It was a third gen

[sharp saddle]

A lot of people are clueless on PC hardware.

[ruby needle]

Okay

Cus the modern ones are really good CPU's for normal gaming, just not much multitasking besides that.

[carmine zephyr]

oh yeah, they definitely are. I was the leading example of CPU bottle necking the poor GPU

[vocal shard]

Your better off with 4 cores 8 threads @ higher clockspeeds.

[maiden mirage]

bap

[vocal shard]

Than a newer chip with the same threads but crap base clocks

Or even more threads... they don't matter past 8

I build my i7 9700k at 5.2ghz inorder to optimize for ingame FPS not workstation work.

[maiden mirage]

imagine using 9th gen

[vocal shard]

I think I saw my chip around $350 and good mobo rebates

[maiden mirage]

my 10700k is only like 350$ rn new

no excuse for 9th gen

[vocal shard]

how bad is the performance w 1060 ? wtf

[ruby needle]

3 or 6gb

[vocal shard]

6

[ruby needle]

it's useable

not the greatest but okay.

[modern cipher]

imma hop on my acc on vr LucidlyGaming i have nothing to live for so ill be by my self in vr chat hub

[maiden mirage]

usable*

Imagine making such a huge spelling error

[vocal shard]

i got a 2070 s 8gb or some i think

i should be chilling ri ?

[maiden mirage]

yessir

[amber juniper]

that's a good card (:

[vocal shard]

[maiden mirage]

VRChat definitely favors something like a GT 750 or a GT 1030

Those are the best

[ruby needle]

[vocal shard]

LOL

[maiden mirage]

Preferably something pentium for processing aswell

As it will all run as good as new hardware, and be cheaper

So no need for anything fancy

[amber juniper]

nono, it favors the voodoo 5 6000

[maiden mirage]

Also a good choice but can be expensive due to collectors

[pearl loom]

[maiden mirage]

🧑‍🦽

💑

[amber juniper]

it's easier to get a RTX 3090 for less than a 1000 bucks, than getting a voodoo 5 6000

[maiden mirage]

[amber juniper]

they only produced prototypes of that card...

[vocal shard]

Sooo why the hell do we not have a "Invisable" option for VRC when i am online? Like change status so that people dont know i am online? Sometimes i like to get on, and chill by myself without having to tell everyone i want to chill by myself..

[maiden mirage]

It makes you appear as offline and has all of the inline features

[amber juniper]

just change your status to red

[vocal shard]

No..

[amber juniper]

you'll not get any notifications

[vocal shard]

I want to not even be online, so people wont wonder why i am not hanging with them

[odd blaze]

Still visible and people who have you on discord tend to ask why RED :p

[vocal shard]

They will wonder why i am red, and ask why i am ignoring them, or not wanting to hang

i rather just appear offline

I am can appear offline on discord

[ruby tiger]

change it to red, set status to 'testing smth' and its all fine?

[amber juniper]

well, I guess explain it to friends? My friends know that if I'm red, I don't want to be disturbed.

[odd blaze]

Happens to me when im testing stuff , but think most know im not actually online now

[vocal shard]

I shouldnt have too.. Its so easy for them to just add an appear offline option..

[amber juniper]

normal friends understand that.

[amber juniper]

but if you really want that option, search on the canny page for it, if it doesn't exist, make a feature request.

[vocal shard]

Make a second account

If I'm not feeling right I go on that one.

I'm cleaning up my friends list on my main. I noticed as soon as I got VRC+ I got blocked by a few people.

Honestly, people be petty af.

I dont feel like I should have to make a second account for that. T-T Just add the damb feature. Loool

I don't know how that would work though because you can't appear offline in the same instance.

[old sable]

gt 750 is old tho the constant updates gtx 1080ti is great

[vocal shard]

Hiding yourself in the instance list would create an easy exploit for people and would mess up the reporting features.

After like 700 hours I'm figuring out why we can't have nice things XD

voodoo 5 6000

[unreal verge]

Make it so that you're visible in the instance list but not appear as online generally

[vocal shard]

That would be nice. I dont know how difficult that would be to do but I would use it a lot.

Sometimes I just want to chill with one person. Or I'm learning something ingame.

I am super reluctant to give out my discord and would never screenshare someone

[frail schooner]

Hey guys, I have a small licensing question.
I'm currently making a world using a bunch of free assets from sketchfab - all attributed under Creative Commons. Friends want me to add a prop now that is licensed under CC-NonCommercial. Can I still use that one, or is that actually a problem now, as VRC is selling VRC+ Memberships?

No idea where to ask that otherwise :/

[vocal shard]

Do you plan on making actual money in any way with this asset?

[frail schooner]

Nope. Basically just making a hangout that I intend to make publicly available.

However by doing that I'm basically making VR Chat - which is commercially using the worlds - distribute it.

I'm not sure if there's any clauses that allows me as a creator to use vrc merely as a platform in that sense.

[vocal shard]

I wouldn't worry about it unless you are making money. You can always edit it out and id consiter it free advertising

[frail schooner]

Hm fair enough. Well thanks o/

[vocal shard]

You can always just recreate whatever you want.

Technically there are changes even just reuploading old broken things.

I wouldn't make money fixing that stuff though. Might end up being more trouble than its worth.

I can think of like 5 worlds.on my favorites list that are straight up broken

[vocal shard]

hmm

[runic atlas]

does the cat with vrc+ stay forever or do u lose it

[rapid ginkgo]

you lose everything including your family, your house, and fortnite burg

[regal furnace]

you keep it. when vrc+ runs out, uts not visible anymore, but once you get it again, the cat is there again

[maiden mirage]

if you lose vrc+ you get permanently locked in the shame world

[upbeat dew]

if you lose vrc+, you loose your right to remain on this planet.

[marsh stump]

I've been starting to notice a bug that causes you to get stuck doing the idle animation that is shown in the avatar preview, and you basically look like a desktop user, legs and arms do the default desktop moving animations. The only way to fix it is to play an emote.

One thing that seems to cause it is resetting/changing avatars while an emote is playing.

[rancid vessel]

So I'm just wondering.. If I change my display name on VRChat is it possible for somebody to come along and change their display name to my Original display name?

[pearl loom]

Possibly yes

[vocal shard]

I wonder about that
only the displayed name is changed
The original name will always be present and you always see it in the profile

......

ive been struggling with trying to sign into VrChat on the website

Why doesn’t quick info work for me

Did vrchat update

[maiden mirage]

lewd

[vocal shard]

Huh ?

I want to clone my friends avatar and it’s not showing up for some reason idk

[maiden mirage]

is his cloning turned on?

[vocal shard]

Yes

But the info thing when you click on someone isn’t showing up

[maiden mirage]

screenshot?

[vocal shard]

It just says click on this user for social stuff

Ok

[bitter spruce]

im using google translate to talk to someone in Russia

[vocal shard]

Ok nVM

[bitter spruce]

that was cool

[somber wren]

Is there any official response on the topic of regional pricing for VRC+?

I know it's unlikely but I wonder if there's any chance the devs just overlooked regional pricing. Steam supports regional pricing and Valve even provides recommendations for each price point in every supported currency so that devs don't have to worry about understanding what feels affordable/reasonable in every country.

[vocal shard]

my mic isnt working in VrChat for some reason

[maiden mirage]

then fix it

[vocal shard]

how, i use it all the time in discord np

odd

[somber wren]

Check in the VRchat settings that it's actually on the correct device.

[broken plover]

I had a problem with my mic too a few days ago. Before that, I lowered the volume in windows settings because it was a bit too loud. When I went into vrchat I had to scream into my mic for to pick up anything. I remembered that I lowered the volume and turned it up to 100% again and now it works fine again. Maybe you have the same problem as I had

[vocal shard]

ok, ill try it

thx for telling me

[vocal shard]

yall whenever i launch vrchat it shows me a black screen w/ nothing how can i fix this?

[pearl loom]

Try turning it off and on again

[fervent stag]

Hey

What’s up

[dapper kelp]

lmao i got hit by a crash beam again

[vocal shard]

use the particle limiter

[regal furnace]

disable particles and/or animations in safety menu

[tough prism]

would anyone like to join me in the movies server watching equalizer 2 just started

[pearl loom]

#rules
Rule 15

[severe kraken]

how many hours do i need to upload characters

[pearl loom]

Like 9

[sharp saddle]

?upload

[shy spoke]

You must obtain at least "New User" Trust Rank in our Trust and Safety system in order to upload content. You can get this by just spending a few hours in VRChat, hop some worlds, and make some friends. Give it some time and you'll be able to upload content in no time.

As an aside, you must have a VRChat account to upload content. That means you can't use a Steam account, Oculus account, or Viveport account to upload content like worlds or avatars.

Source: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/frequently-asked-questions

[vocal shard]

Give it some time and you'll be able to upload content in no time.

[sharp saddle]

In other words... focus on hanging out before uploading anything.

[olive cape]

morning

[vocal shard]

who else here is a VRC plusser

[rotund bluff]

i got it today.

[umbral reef]

Once your ingame spam click the kitty thats on the top right of your menu now 👀

[amber juniper]

hm... I wonder... what are the performance differences between having 2 dynamic bones and one dynamic bone component, or having two dynamic bone components for each bone?

I use that atm to optimize the usage of colliders (basically to half the collider checks) but that of course increases the amount of dynamic bone components...

[rotund bluff]

If my understanding is correct, child bones in a chain will all inherit the single dynamic bone component but count as dynamic transforms. Performance isn't really a problem at the per model level. If everyone had 32 bones and 256 transforms(poor), an 18 person lobby would still work just fine. It's the people that have 100s of bones and 50 materials killing your performance.

If performance is your priority, it's best to just follow the guildline for "poor" on the vrchat website because nearly everyone with safety settings can still see poor.

[amber juniper]

well... most of which you just wrote I already know, that's why I asked about the specific difference between having several components ;)
but thanks anyways, almost all my avatars are poor. Some with some specific features or fancy animations are mostly very poor (always because of material count for the particle systems), but those are also not really for public. But even than they aren't as bad as many many other avatars out there.
I'm working at a "medium" avatar btw ;) I first thought that I could get away with "good" but that would mean that a lot of nice stuff wouldn't look that nice :/

[rotund bluff]

If you add dynamic bones to a child bone the compiler removes them

[amber juniper]

well, those are not child bones

but I have for example a dynamic bone component for the right breast bone and another one for the left one. Same with the ears

[rotund bluff]

Those must be separate if you want alot of movement. I tried making pairs of things 1 bone and they are stiff

[vocal shard]

you need better settings then and play with the distribs

I always use a root bone for those things and I get really good results doing that method

[amber juniper]

so I have 6 DB components, 2 for the ears (3 bones each), 2 for the breasts (1 bone each), one for the tail (I think that has 7 bones) and one for a invisible hair bones (5 bones or so) which controls the actual hair bones over rotational constraints

[rotund bluff]

They are stiff in the sense that they move together. playing around with the settings always made them too wacky to be believable.

[amber juniper]

I normally would do that to, but that would double the amount of collider checks in my case

[vocal shard]

what ?

[amber juniper]

atm I'm having 4 colliders and 4 collider checks, if I would use a root bone, I would have 16 collider checks

I would save a dynamic bone component, but I would add 12 additional unnecessary collision checks

that's why I'm asking, if the performance impact of having, lets say 10 dynamic bone components instead of 4 is almost nothing, but I can effectively reduce the amount of collider checks by half (which always improves the performance), that would be a way to do improve performance but still having colliders

[mental thunder]

is it just me or someone else also got bruises cus u ran against a shelf or something

[verbal meteor]

I damage my skin a lot when I accidentally scrape anything against a hard object. Doors are the worse for it if they're in momentum. It's not pleasent. Done many a knuckles/elbows in that way.

so yeah it happens keks. Nothing like whacking anything in VR though.

[rotund bluff]

I stand on a 3x3 rug in a 10x10 playspace. If 1 foot is on the rug I know I'm safe. Walking around the room is how you get wires twisted and run into walls. Also helps my feet because my floors are hardwood.

[odd blaze]

Have a gym mat i stand on , easy to feel when you are off it or wich direction im at, wrong one i will smack into a wall

[reef heron]

.-.

vrchat me saca cada rato y no lo puedo jugar y cuando me deja entrar me da un monton de lag

quisiera que se arreglara eso porfa

[oak night]

Hello

[sharp saddle]

@reef heron #spanish

[thorn drum]

everyone, i have a skin i really like, but i want an item added and i dont know how to do this. is there anyone here who could get in contact with me and make the skin for me. i already have the skin, i just want a sword added or something

[sharp saddle]

Please don't repeat the same thing in multiple channels.

[small portal]

hello

am pc player 👋

[sharp saddle]

Welcome.

[flat trench]

Is vrchat free on oculus quest 2

[broken plover]

its free on all platforms (pc and quest)

[split igloo]

@flat trench Vrchat is free on any platform

[flat trench]

Ok

Thx

[granite siren]

Why did seats get removed from avatars?

[odd blaze]

Last update broke em

[granite siren]

Will there be a fix for that?

[versed crown]

if I wanna make a animation that draws gun and shoots at x seconds how? Ive gotten the gun to spawn and the arm to move but thats it

[odd blaze]

Chairs always break least twice a year

[vocal shard]

Has the time-out issue been adressed by the devs yet?

Who else hates the Vrchat tracker?

[sharp saddle]

???

[vocal shard]

The vrc tracker

[ruby needle]

[sharp saddle]

You mean... Vive tracker?

[vocal shard]

No

[sharp saddle]

Explain then. What's a "VRC tracker"?

[olive cape]

hello

[vocal shard]

It’s an app that lets you “take” avatars from creators

[sharp saddle]

Oooooooof.

[vocal shard]

Yeah

[sharp saddle]

Are you saying you hate using it or you hate that it exists?

[ruby needle]

but it doesn't
It's a third party external app to manage some things

Which is grayzone area for API use.

[vocal shard]

I hate that it exists

[ruby needle]

How does it harm / afffect you?

You dont need to use it. (Generally there can't be given any recommendation to use third party API tools like this)

[vocal shard]

Someone was able to steal one of my avatars

And then give it out

And the avatar was private

[ruby needle]

What does this app have to do with it?

You likely encountered a modified client user that did so, the app you mentiond is more or less a social tracking app for the smartphone

[vocal shard]

Mhm

[languid beacon]

Why would anyone put their vrchat username and password into some other player’s app that is already known to be using the api in a grey area way. Some people just don’t value their accounts I guess..

If it were open source that’s one thing but that’s just a straight up binary doing who knows what

[vocal shard]

But any of u ppl know a girl that lives in California Washington or Oregon i really want a girl bsf that plays vr cuz I broke up with my gf 2 days ago cuz she never loved me and im have not been that happy since I left but I really just want a girl bsf thx if u can help me

[sharp saddle]

Wroooooong place to ask...

[cold talon]

[sharp saddle]

This isn't eHarmony, bub.

[lone scroll]

will the vote kick be ever fixed? been a good two weeks since its not been working now

[sharp saddle]

Pretty sure no one ever votes on those.

Half the time they don't know what it means.

[maiden mirage]

v-harmony

[south oyster]

I got a question about Virtual Market. Last year in Virtual Market 4, I saw a Nier Automata 2B statue in one of the booths, clicking on it brought up a purchase page but I'm not sure if it was a real life 2B statue or a 3D model of a statue. https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1019446827078845898/22DDC586F13D121F20C934F69D371C219B953AEA/

[crystal fossil]

I remembered seeing that and thinking it was really odd that it was allowed to be there.

In the 7eleven in the entrance world?

[south oyster]

yeah

i think

[crystal fossil]

I didn't think it should have been there. I had serious doubts they got consent to use that IP.

But maybe they did.

Vket seemed very by the book in regards to what they allowed.

[south oyster]

hmm..

[crystal fossil]

I don't remember the specifics. But it looked like a straight rip.

[south oyster]

the page was in japanese i think, so I couldn't read it

im curious if items sold at Virtual market are real life items or 3D items, or both

[crystal fossil]

Both.

those could have just been real figures based on the pricetags.

[unreal verge]

I use that app and it's definitely not possible to do this.