vrchat-general-2

[arctic elm]

i have some, im just not super good at it

[vocal shard]

Sounds like a headstart on things to me if anything.

[arctic elm]

i def have a lot to learn, but i feel good i know more than nothing

[inland knot]

I see, yeah. Well for this case youd definitely need a bot just for distributing the roles. It needs to be customized to the game as well. Youd also need to link your discord to your VRChat account somehow.

Lot of hassle for just one role in a server not everyone is in doesnt seem very feasible

[vocal shard]

The magic of APIs allow for this

[inland knot]

I get what you mean though, vrc+ definitely needs some cool extra features

[arctic elm]

yeah, i figure the easiest way to do it is have a discord name field on the site, put your name in, and click request role, then the bot gives it to you. have it check daily for users who expired and revoke the role

[inland knot]

but ive been boosting for a year here for nothing lmao

[devout berry]

I see two solutions: Make VRC account Discord linkable, or make the webpage ask for your user tag and do it based on user list of tags, to get user IDs and link them to your game acc. internally.

[inland knot]

Actually, yeah

[devout berry]

Better is to make the bot extract ID of the user and save that, because just name would die if you renamed yourself...

[vocal shard]

honestly I think doing this would invoke higher security for overall gameplay

[inland knot]

you don't need to log your discord in your game, you can flip it

[arctic elm]

i said easiest, not best :P using discord api would probably be a better solution

[inland knot]

log in your vrc through a discord bot API and have it check for vrc+ subscription

[arctic elm]

discord oauth on the vrc site or w/e

[vocal shard]

Yeeh

[inland knot]

ok I should be working

[vocal shard]

Later Gweiss nice chatting with you again.

[inland knot]

[vocal shard]

who was the one mad about vrc plus

[vivid mortar]

if someone has 100 avatars saved, ends their subscription, and resubscribes, will those avatars still be saved and become available to them again?

[solid bridge]

Several people it seems

[vivid mortar]

or do the avatars go into oblivion once you lose plus?

[quick kayak]

it was @vocal shard

[sharp saddle]

I believe the additional slots become inaccessible till you resub.

[vivid mortar]

okay cool, that's what i'm hoping, just in case

[golden scaffold]

This was answered in our FAQ (https://hello.vrchat.com/vrchat-plus-faq):

[When your subscription lapses] You will lose access to your VRChat Plus-granted favorite avatar rows. You will retain access to your first 25 favorite avatars in the first row. The data for the second, third, and fourth rows will be stored so you may access it again if you decide to restart your subscription.

[vivid mortar]

great, thank you

[brittle gust]

what if we dont have 25 but we use the other rows to organize, will they all automatically migrate to the favorites row

[lucid wigeon]

My friend cant see his or anyone else's avatars

[vivid mortar]

is he on a quest

[sharp heron]

My friend is reporting that a lot of people that he knows are having issues with crashing and D/Cs, and are getting understandably upset at this.

[vocal shard]

Gotta use the ticket system

[vocal shard]

vrchat is getting uglier and uglier the more i play

no more pasties

wtf

the more i play vrchat i loved it but every time you guy come out with an update you guys make it worse and never fix any of the main bugs in your own worlds vrchat is slowly looking retarded/ you guy should actually go around a talk to the community instead of think to yourselves like the best thing i likes was colored nameplates when ranked but i guess you guys need to make more retarded and make it grey.

[arctic elm]

If you have feedback, make sure to post on canny, like this: https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/bring-back-trust-rank-on-nametag
:)

[umbral reef]

Nice throwing around the R word btw-

[golden scaffold]

Will clarify again, the decision to remove Trust Ranks from nameplates was a deliberate one. You'll still be able to view Trust Rank by opening your Quick Menu and looking above a user's nameplate. We're also very much open to feedback and have been working with the community to test things on our Open Beta for fixes and improvements. There's also other bugs that are constantly worked on. As Vivi mentioned above, please feel free to leave feedback on our Canny as we're constantly reading and keeping track of them.

[arctic elm]

So how many upvotes do I need to get the borders back? :3

[vocal sphinx]

wtf are the nameplates now theyre so ugly

[sharp saddle]

You'll get used to 'em soon.

[vocal sphinx]

it doesnt look like vrchat this is nasty

[arctic elm]

click that link I sent a few messages up, and upvote so they can be more pretty again :P

[vocal sphinx]

oh pog

[arctic elm]

I'm trying to get as many people to see that link so vrc team might actually consider a change

[vocal sphinx]

what were they thinking its so gross 🤢

[arctic elm]

i like how they look better now, but they're def bland with no rank border like the old ones

[pseudo basalt]

Don't worry, the whole ui's gonna look like that soon

And you'll get used to it in a few days and never mention it again

[vocal sphinx]

nooo its gonna be ages to get used to it
its so gross and ugly idk how anyone thought this was a good idea

[umbral reef]

Make them transparent so you only see the names

[vocal sphinx]

how to do that

[pseudo basalt]

Current ui looks like its been designed in 2006

[sharp saddle]

If on Desktop, hit "R" on the keyboard.

Or is it under Nameplate options?

[vocal sphinx]

oh my god thank you this is so much better

[arctic elm]

the ui needs an overhaul for sure, but i miss the pretty colors too much. heck, id even pay for a customizable border

[umbral reef]

Also love the name moldy

[vocal sphinx]

thank you :)

[pseudo basalt]

maybe eventualy

[foggy raven]

Where is badages list or something

[vocal shard]

ya the colors brought so much

[sharp saddle]

"badages"?

[foggy raven]

Bandages*

[vocal sphinx]

the colours made it actually look like vrchat, idfk what it looks like now but its manky

its so gross not vrchat 🤢

[pseudo basalt]

I think they intentionally made all the nameplates look the same

[sharp saddle]

When I joined VRC, all the nameplates were green.

[pseudo basalt]

Back in the good ol days the nameplates looked even uglier

[umbral reef]

Man i recall when all nameplates where green and just green

[vocal sphinx]

yeah same i remember that, it was still better than what it is now

[pseudo basalt]

Ranks were a mistake in the eyes of a bunch of people, leading to some prejudice

[vocal sphinx]

you can still see ranks though it doesnt change anything

[pseudo basalt]

Of course you can, but you have to check them consciously

[umbral reef]

It does stop the joining a room and prejudging everyone instantly.
People will always judge others, but the less instant visual feedback you give them, the less good they can do it.

[pseudo basalt]

Yeah

It's fine this way. The nameplates look clean and less janky, especially close up. The ui overhaul is long overdue. If you don't like it, that's unfortunate, but I doubt you can do much about it

It's like the people who still post "give us old library back steam!!" in every steam update thread

Give it up, it's been months already lol, it's not coming back

[vocal sphinx]

then just make them all green again lol
the green was nicer than this

[pseudo basalt]

I don't want green

[vocal sphinx]

id prefer the green

[pseudo basalt]

I hide nameplates most of the time to get rid of distracting colors and just see avatars

[vocal sphinx]

each their own i guess lol

[pearl plinth]

I dont mind too much about them but they are very hard to read atm

[vocal sphinx]

^ its very difficult to look at

[sharp saddle]

Can make them bigger if you want.

[pseudo basalt]

They'll most likely be customizable later on

[rapid karma]

I’m just not a fan of the new update or vrc+ in general

[vocal sphinx]

vrc+ make everyhitng kinda poopoo

[pearl plinth]

I tried it blends a lot, it was easier to read with the black behind the fonts (odk what its called lol)

[sharp saddle]

Drop shadow?

[pearl plinth]

Ah yes ty

[rapid karma]

Vrc+ divides the platform in to people who have paid and people who haven’t personally I feel like that difference is enough to sway people’s perception

[languid beacon]

One of people's biggest fears from VRC is that they will paywall avatars. "Let us sell avatars in VRC" is exactly what those people are worried about.

[arctic elm]

idk why everyone is so concerned about vrc class wars lmao

[pseudo basalt]

I'm not really worried yet because I don't think they want to kill their own platform

[rapid karma]

Wouldn’t put it past them

[umbral reef]

Getting the feeling people want it to happen

[pseudo basalt]

And if they do, by that time other social vr games will likely be good enough to play

[languid beacon]

Well, you have both, that's my point.

User 1: Please don't paywall Avatars

User 2: Please let us sell avatars in-game

You can't do both.

[hard cloak]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/plsssssss

[pseudo basalt]

Assuming it's dumb post by the title

[umbral reef]

Its as detailed as the name itself

[silver helm]

somebody else star having a lot of lag in general? also the game crash when you close it so steam detect that you are still running the game even if is already closed (i check on the task manager)

[pseudo basalt]

"pls delete vrc+ i don't like it"?

[umbral reef]

nah 'fix bug'

[pseudo basalt]

reminds me of the classic csgo subreddit "fix ur broken game" posts

[rapid karma]

The more updates the more bugs get created the more they aren’t fixed

[pseudo basalt]

"what's wrong with it?" "it's broken"

"what's broken" "the game"

good arguments all around

[rapid karma]

No one said they were 100% solid did they but those people have a point there are plenty of bugs

I mean look at the login issues people are having right now

[golden scaffold]

What login issues are you having?

[rapid karma]

I haven’t logged in yet but people have been talking about login issues above

Anyway Ima watch Netflix

[arctic elm]

i wish i could work for vrc, the team is so cool

[languid beacon]

They have some positions available.

[arctic elm]

id only maybe be qualified for QA

[polar garden]

my friend cant see us on vrchat keeps getting unsynched

[pseudo basalt]

There were login issues earlier likely because of traffic

But that's not entirely uncommon even without updates

[sharp saddle]

Does he see you in a random seat?

[timid olive]

Question: The game dies whenever I look at 5 or more people. Is the issue the fact I have no Graphics Card?

[pseudo basalt]

most likely

[golden scaffold]

The login issues we were having today were addressed pretty quickly after they happened. If people are experiencing further issues getting in, definitely reach out to Support so we can review your logs and have them investigated.

[golden scaffold]

Yeah, sounds like it probably would be. Our requirements are posted here: https://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/19-system-requirements/

[timid olive]

okie oof

[pearl plinth]

Wait how is your computer even working without gpu, let alone play VRC

[sharp saddle]

iGPU.

[pearl plinth]

Ohhhhhh

I read that im like wait..wait what lol

[slate rock]

It'd be cool if icons appeared somewhere on social

[pearl plinth]

That's still a "gpu" I thought they meant they had no gpu at all lool

[idle leaf]

so is there a way to remove my icon on my nameplate from the beta

[golden scaffold]

Try relogging

[idle leaf]

I'm not even paying for vrc+, should it even be there?

[golden scaffold]

It shouldn't but it's likely being cached from your time with the Open Beta. A relog or two should fix it.

[safe smelt]

I heard people are getting banned for posting lemons, not trying to get banned just curious

[hollow sluice]

good lol

[inner cape]

🍋

[umbral reef]

often its just an kick but yea your right.
But the why reason is fairly clear, most people really spam it in chat for no reason other then to bait, those get clapped for trolling and spamming.
The Lemmon also is related to an client that some people promote with it and get banned from that.
If you post it like an normal person in an non bait way they dont care

[pseudo basalt]

It's annoying if they ban lemons like they banned the frog

Because that just means you can get any mundane thing banned if you spam it enough, which is just enabling bad behavior

[umbral reef]

Sssshhhh!!! Dont give them any ideas

[pseudo basalt]

Just like blizzard banned the ok sign despite it being ingame as a spray as well, but the twitters complaining about it don't know about it yet

[vocal shard]

So since they banned pepe, does that mean in their eyes that twitch is a hate speech supporter with their pogger emote? If so then they have their game mostly streamed on a platform that supports hate speech in their mind and dont do anything about it? Oh gosh I guess that means they are supporting hate speech too themselves which is hypocritical

[sharp saddle]

Oh no...

[vocal shard]

Dang bruh now I cant recommend this game to anyone

[plush cove]

awo

[pseudo basalt]

It's a dumb argument that doesn't solve anything but calm down a loud, ever complaining minority

But companies don't want to defend a thing that doesn't matter

[vocal shard]

Well they just hit their own selves in confusion

[umbral reef]

psure its also only a rule in this discord what makes it 100x more funny

[pseudo basalt]

That or someone on the team just really doesn't like pepe and has and agenda

[vocal shard]

It literally only is in this discord

Other than maybe heavy political ones but thats a no brainer

[plush cove]

what happened?

[vocal shard]

Talking about them banning the pepe emote and being a hypocrite about it

[sharp saddle]

Who's being a hypocrite about it?

[vocal shard]

Gotta ban it bc hate speech but let our game be streamed on a site with the emote that is seen to them as hate speech

[sharp saddle]

That's... not being hypocritical in the slightest.

[vocal shard]

Actually you're right wrong word

Or term* whatever you get my point anyways

[sharp saddle]

Since when does the Discord dictate what people can and can't type in people's Twitch chats?

[vocal shard]

No but they can choose where their game is streamed

[sharp saddle]

Not... really?

[vocal shard]

Uh they have copyrights they can revoke twitch streamers streaming it

[plush cove]

vrc banning the pepe emote?

[vocal shard]

Just like how twitch now copyrights with music, not that hard

Yes look at rule 16

[plush cove]

tho ingame is allowed right?

[vocal shard]

Nope

According to tupper on a steam post

Or comment, whatever

[plush cove]

kk

pepe can be offensive sometimes but not all of them

there have been offensive pepe memes

[sharp saddle]

^

[vocal shard]

If it has obvious shit then like posting a naz furry it should be banned. If its a fucking poggers face then it should be fine

So no naz pepe but happi pogger pepe fine

[sharp saddle]

Are you normally this anal about minor things?

[vocal shard]

Sadly yeah pat pat

[smoky sphinx]

if i get vrc+ while on my vrc account does it apply to my vrc account or the steam account?

[sharp saddle]

Whichever account is logged in.

[smoky sphinx]

oh ok thank you, that helps

[glossy wharf]

thats not how that works

[pearl loom]

wew

[hexed bridge]

does anybody know about the optimized pixel size for vrchat+ Icon?it only says larger than 64x64 and smaller than 2048x2048 pixels

[sharp saddle]

I'd say multiples of 64 work.

64, 128, 256, etc.

2048x2048 seems waaaay too big.

[hexed bridge]

thx

[vocal shard]

Is there any talk of anti cheat

or anti crashing and stuff

[amber juniper]

I guess 1024x1024 would be a good size?

[sharp saddle]

TOS-breaking stuff, yes.

[sharp saddle]

I'd say for the size it is... 128x128 or 256x256.

[amber juniper]

or even 512...

[sharp saddle]

Am surprised they let you go THAT big for such a tiny picture.

[amber juniper]

hm... the ingame icon I made yesterday is 600x600

[golden scaffold]

It'll auto-shrink before uploading to our servers

[sharp saddle]

Am guessing it's compensating for the camera image res?

[umbral reef]

Spark 👀
Isnt it like stupidly late now?

[golden scaffold]

Yeah, sorta

[golden scaffold]

yuuuuuup.

[umbral reef]

Then go sleep 👏

[sharp saddle]

stupidly late
Does 5 AM count?

[golden scaffold]

It's 3:51AM here so I guess pretty damn late, but I'm way more productive during darker hours

[umbral reef]

Go sleep
Both of you

[pseudo basalt]

I'm more productive at night too but bad sleep cycle comes with some serious boredom when there's nothing to do

[amber juniper]

say that to someone who has a non-24h sleep rhythm disorder >.>

[umbral reef]

Im never productive anymore :c

[ruby tiger]

11:55 am

[umbral reef]

I need like 2a3 projects so i wont get bored by now
My gamer goopy goblin brain cant handle doing the same boring things for too long

[sharp saddle]

I would be on VRC but my ISP is having issues. D:

[inland knot]

blackmail them

[pseudo basalt]

Dunno about sleep rhythm disorders

But I've been struggling with bad sleep cycles for years. I got a job now tho so I can't really kill it anymore

[inland knot]

puwumkin do you have a tutorial on your add-on btw

[amber juniper]

basically, my day-night rhythm constantly shifts forward, after some weeks I'm back to square one again and it repeats

[inland knot]

was meaning to ask for a while

[umbral reef]

Online school is really good at making me mess up my sleep cycle
Starting class some days at 9 (on location what means leaving at 6:45) then the next day starting online at 1pm and then again at 10am aint healthy

[pseudo basalt]

I don't, i've been meaning to make one but every time I have to record something I shut down

[pseudo basalt]

That actually sounds like what's been happening to me

I've been pretty consistently going through 2 week cycles

[amber juniper]

I tried every therapy available, but in the end, nothing worked... that's why I'm retired, with 29...

[sharp saddle]

With 29 what? 👀

[pseudo basalt]

In my case it seemed more like external factors rather than an actual disorder, but the consistency and difficulty of it was pretty questionable

[amber juniper]

well, I'm 29 now, but I retired with 23

[sharp saddle]

Oh, you mean retired at 23.

[amber juniper]

try "light therapy" it may help you

[amber juniper]

yeah, sorry... English is my.... fourth language I guess?

[sharp saddle]

No worries!

[amber juniper]

but I got way better after I started VRC :3

[pseudo basalt]

I'll look into it when I'm having issues again, but I don't have time to ruin my sleep now that I have to wake up every morning

[sharp saddle]

I wish I could've retired at 23, man.

[pseudo basalt]

I did have issues in university too tho

[amber juniper]

nonono, light therapy is something you do in the morning

basically just sit next to a bright light after waking up in the morning for like 20min

@pseudo basalt a bit more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_therapy

[timber lantern]

I was wondering if i buy VRC Plus and i get the rank + once the month expires does my rank go away or it stays?

[pseudo basalt]

That sounds like actual torture when you're sleepy

What I do instead is sit in complete darkness in the shower

[umbral reef]

The small rank boost only happen once and will stay after you unsubscribe

[amber juniper]

it's a one time increase in the "trust score"

[amber juniper]

I know ^^ but it's quite effective for most, and you don't need much to do it yourself, just do it regularly, everyday at the same time

[plush wadi]

I kind of wish name text color would show user trust. Like how it does with friends showing yellow text.

[amber juniper]

it should reset your inner clock

[sharp saddle]

I think the idea is to get rid of the colored nametags.

[pseudo basalt]

I'll look into it, thanks

I mean, i'm pretty sure it has something to do with light in the first place

my room is always dark and i prefer darkness in general, but i also stare at the phone in said darkness most of the time

[carmine kestrel]

Hello, is there a gift function for vrchat plus?

[sharp saddle]

No. Steam gift cards exist though.

[golden scaffold]

We're working on it! As Artemus mentioned, you should be able to gift other users via Steam Gift Cards for the time being.

[sharp saddle]

Wait, really? Nice!

[golden scaffold]

Yeah, we'd love to get gifting out as soon as possible

[carmine kestrel]

Thank you all for letting me know.

[amber juniper]

that's pretty bad :/ increase the amount of light and intensity in the morning and decrease it in the night/evening.
Your rhythm mostly gets dictacted by light.

[inland knot]

i wish i could increase the light intensity in my room

[sharp saddle]

Just turn on light mode.

[inland knot]

Why is slowmode so long here again?

[sharp saddle]

Backlash to VRC+ again, I'm sure.

[inland knot]

sigh

[amber juniper]

I'm still working on my 100W LED light alarm... that thing is as bright as having the sun shining in to my room :3

[inland knot]

sounds irresponsible and pointless but ok, stop pinging me for replies tho

[amber juniper]

well no, it's not irresponsible or pointless, it does resemble a sunset, which is the most natural way of waking up.

[pseudo basalt]

Do you not get enough sun or is just winter

I just disabled the ping sound and I don't care when people ping me

I see it when I look at the icon but it doesn't distract me

[inland knot]

I need it for work related reasons so pointless pings are annoying

especially when im tabbed out and theres a chance its something urgent

[pseudo basalt]

Why is your work using discord

[amber juniper]

well, that one is more an alarm clock. It's much more subtle than a loud alarm, and prepares the body slowly to wake up. The effect is basically that you aren't get kicked out of your sleep, but that your body naturally wakes up.

[arctic elm]

why isnt yours

[pseudo basalt]

Because mine uses discord but microsoft

[arctic elm]

teams succ

[amber juniper]

we use IRC >.>

[arctic elm]

slack gooder

[pseudo basalt]

And I kinda don't want my cropped hentai avatars at work

We just switched from slack to teams

[sharp saddle]

I miss IRC.

[arctic elm]

thats gonna be a question when i hire people "do you like / are you cool with weird lewd stuff" lmao

[azure charm]

Hmm what do we have going on here lol

[inland knot]

Well, free time "work". Projects i like working on in my free times for extra cash. IRL work as well as academy i study at use Teams

[pseudo basalt]

I mean, it makes sense but you can mute servers and it shouldn't play a sound

[inland knot]

Im adding this to the next time i hire someone

[arctic elm]

good

[pseudo basalt]

I don't like lewd people

[arctic elm]

wack

[inland knot]

if Sai or Hecc ping me here, i wanna see it though.

[pseudo basalt]

So it's a great filter

[inland knot]

I dont mind lewd people, i mind cringe lewd people.

Or ones that do not get the concept of boundaries

[pseudo basalt]

Most ones i've seen are either perma horny or creepy. The boundaries thing is definitely an issue

In general I don't like it when people treat me like their friend when just met

These things don't apply to friends tho, I don't mind lewd friends as long as they aren't weird

[umbral reef]

Just be like me and get close to panic when anyone gets close to your face in VR 🙃

[pseudo basalt]

But if someone goes ey cutey wannan do some enterprise resource planning

[inland knot]

Heavily agree with that.

[pseudo basalt]

I just want to block without saying anything

[inland knot]

LMAOOOO

eaehay cutie wanna do a key figure analysis

[umbral reef]

Only if you wear FNAF stuff 👀

[inland knot]

You should take a look at my equity

[pseudo basalt]

I absolutely hate undeserved praise as well so if someone approaches me with it, it's repulsive

[inland knot]

we should prob jump to #general-media bc of offtopic and slowmode

[smoky sphinx]

is there a way you can get only 1 month of vrc+?

[lone scroll]

Is it a bug or not, that when someone blocks you you dont see them in social?
Makes kicking toxic people impossible when you are the instance master because you dont see them in social..

[umbral reef]

subscribe for it and then cancel the subscription.
You will only lose the benefits next payment cycle.

[smoky sphinx]

is it easy to find the cancel button?

[umbral reef]

Not sure as i havent been able to play yet.

[vocal shard]

no
it's actually a world acclaimed challenge

[smoky sphinx]

XD

[sharp saddle]

In Steam, access your account details by visiting the Steam Account Details page. You can also access this by clicking the arrow next to your name in the Steam client in the top right corner, then clicking Account Details.

On this page, click “Manage Subscriptions.” Here, you can cancel or renew subscriptions. You can also reach this page by clicking on the “VRC+” main menu item in VRChat, and clicking the “Manage Subscription” button.

From the FAQ.

[smoky sphinx]

holy that is a challange

[sharp saddle]

Not really?

[inland knot]

[smoky sphinx]

for dumb people like me

[pearl loom]

reading is hard 😦

[sharp saddle]

Yep.

[smoky sphinx]

its just out of the way, i would never had known

[sharp saddle]

You can also reach this page by clicking on the “VRC+” main menu item in VRChat, and clicking the “Manage Subscription” button.

[smoky sphinx]

oh, you see that is way easier XD

well i did not see that last part

[vocal shard]

Can i join an invite only/friend group to avoid crashers and trolls in pub lobbies

like is anyone accepting

[sharp saddle]

I never run into crashers or trolls in public lobbies personally.

[lone scroll]

^

[pearl loom]

it happens sometimes

for some reason it happens mostly when Lamb and I go into black cat lol

[sharp saddle]

I hang out in the Pug.

[pearl loom]

Pug is strange

[vocal shard]

i frequently encounter stuff like that at the black cat

[lone scroll]

same, also anyone notice the menu being laggy af? freezes my game for a few sec

[pearl loom]

fine for me

[sharp saddle]

I've been going to the Pug for about a year now and have only ran into crashers a handful of times.

[lone scroll]

same

[pseudo basalt]

Do you have big hands

a-asking for a friend

[vocal shard]

Yesterday i talked to a crasher in the black cat bathroom at length about crashing and borderline criminal activity in vrchat

they have discords for it

of course they do

groups of crashers aren't anything new

[pearl loom]

I didn't run into many crashers so far

[vocal shard]

good thing the particle limiter will block like 95% of crashers

[pseudo basalt]

Bunch of kids power tripping

Or man children feeling edgy

[vocal shard]

I run into them fairly often but they can't do shit

[pearl loom]

I have everything off for everyone, even trusted peeps, just have avatar and voice on, and I manually show avatars for the particles and stuff for people I want to see

[vocal shard]

never hiding anything
I'm not a weakling

The kids i ran into were extremists

[pseudo basalt]

uh oh svel better be careful with what your saying they might target u next

[pearl loom]

I only allow everything for friends

[vocal shard]

they tried pumkin
Never worked 🤷‍♂️

[pseudo basalt]

What if.. what if I was to crash you

[pearl loom]

thing is, my pc kinda stutters if I would allow everything

[vocal shard]

I wouldn't mind
but good luck uwu

I got crashed with medium performance limiter and avatar/voice only in safety

[sharp saddle]

World crashing exists too.

[vocal shard]

whats this particle limiter you speak of?

[vocal shard]

https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-particle-system-limits

No i got “bonked”

95% of crashers are gone with that

Ok ill try it but these kids know crashes that bypass all of that

you will most certainly never run into someone that knows that he is doing

if you want like 99% of crashers gone, use the particle limiter AND block animations for everyone

I just did tho like sub 100 hours in

in a bathroom

im just concerned for the community at this point, its literally unhinged radical teenagers

we saw a guy in among us game where he could make everyone constantly respawn and change everyones avatar to a red spaceman, could not even kick him out so we just all reported him

[umbral reef]

Literally always has been tho

[vocal shard]

Yeah apparently the security in this game is non existent almost.

Ok so i understand this probably isnt a new issue but does this make public lobbies redundant?

[umbral reef]

Far from

[vocal shard]

can the team not patch a couple things? Why are they so unresponsive

[umbral reef]

Might now right after the update its a bit more risky then normal.
But if you do what svel told ya your fine in most cases.

And they do patch things, but there are a shit ton of things they gotta test with each fix.
The game has to keep all the creative options working else people will be angry about that,

[static flax]

What would you expect them to patch is my question.
9/10 changes people think would fix the problem will just remove things we can use in Unity which will make no one happy

[vocal shard]

I mean they should probably remove the ability to edit worlds in game

nobody needs that, also giving someone infinite viewpoints isnt something i think anyone needs

i think their actual game is just not secure or something

infinite viewpoints ?

[static flax]

... did I miss something?
Edit worlds in game? Infinite viewpoints? Wat

[vocal shard]

Yea apparently you can fill someone’s world with eye perspectives until they either leave or crash

that's a shader

and you can straight up remove all the colliders in the world or expand all the objects to the maximum

[static flax]

Right, you're talking about a shader

[vocal shard]

thats a shader?

[static flax]

You cannot remove colliders from a world, I don't know where that came from

[vocal shard]

you can actually

[static flax]

Yes it's a shader. Block shaders by default and it can't happen

[vocal shard]

but it happened to me and the edgy hacker kid i talked to confirmed it

but not in every world

[static flax]

Oh really? First I've heard of that honestly

[vocal shard]

also certain video players leak your ip?

[static flax]

But at least as for the "viewpoint" thing and 9/10 crashers just hide animations and shaders and you literally won't be crashed probably ever

[vocal shard]

There are still ways

[static flax]

I never said there wasn't but you more then likely won't be crashed in a very long time

[vocal shard]

This kid proved it to me, they bypassed all the current measures.

[static flax]

And if you hide meshes it's literally not possible for them to do it.

But that takes a lot of the fun away from avatars

[vocal shard]

Hide meshes? How

[static flax]

Safety settings?

[vocal shard]

"hide avatar"

you mean shaders? Or??

mhm

[static flax]

My b, I turned those settings on in safety the moment they came out and never changed em since.
"It just works"

[brave wolf]

Hello

[vocal shard]

Idk i just think safety is percieved by humans in a more absolute way, and if theres the chance of someone just joining and ruining everything on a whim or based on some discriminatory logic, it makes me feel like pub lobbies are broken

[inner cape]

always have been

[static flax]

I get that, but welcome to real life

[vocal shard]

Kinda ruins it for me ngl, most likely gonna try and find some tight circle

[static flax]

A lot of people do. I personally find it absolutely hilarious watching kids try to crash me and fail in front of me. But at the same time, doesn't make the bad apples not bad.
But I kinda perceive it like an annoying teenager bothering you irl, it's what happens when you give a group complete creative freedom I suppose.

[vocal shard]

complete freedom with no consequences whatsoever

[pseudo basalt]

Yeah, it's hard to avoid because too many limits and there's collateral damage

[vocal shard]

“welcome to real life” what does this even mean? Why is vrchat supposed to be shit? None of this is necessary. And having shit anticheat and ban policy isnt creative freedom

[pseudo basalt]

They could do more to let you protect yourself I guess but some things will always be there as a compromise

[vocal shard]

They should be handing out vac bans

[pseudo basalt]

Simple crashes like shaders, particles or whatever other things you can do with animations can be stopped pretty effectively, video players have a whitelist that you can enable, avatars can be hidden, screaming kids can be muted

How's that gonna work

[vocal shard]

actual anti cheat

[static flax]

What would you expect said anti cheat to put in place?

[vocal shard]

you don't need steam to play vrc...

[umbral reef]

You realize Vac bans are only a thing for Steam owned games right?

[vocal shard]

ok both platforms then

im trying to say they dont have a respectable anti cheat

[pseudo basalt]

They don't have one at all

[vocal shard]

and idk if they’re developing one even

[static flax]

I'm not arguing that, I'm asking you what you expect the anti cheat to do

[pseudo basalt]

You can get kicked for "unusual client behaviour" but clients can circumvent stuff anyway

[umbral reef]

Also an anti cheat is just an temporary fix. They need to keep updating it what will cost lots of man power or money.
And then the fact that an anti cheat will always cause for worse performance unless its a light one.

[pseudo basalt]

It's better to just limit what malicious people can do rather than spend resources on making an anticheat that's gonna be circumvented

[vocal shard]

you can permanently fix certain things very simply and hand out immediate bans in response, like if someone tries to edit the world it can trigger an instant permanent ban

[pseudo basalt]

vac has a reputation for being bad, despite not really being bad, but the truth is that there's lots of cheat devs working on it, and the harder an anticheat is to crack, the more interest people want to profit from it have in it

alright, how are you going to detect that

and what about worlds that provide you with things that can be broken and changed

[vocal shard]

If the world changes detect the source of the change at its root and ban/mark the player?

[pseudo basalt]

define world changes

[vocal shard]

Literally anything outside of whats predefined by default

[pseudo basalt]

give me an example

[umbral reef]

So you want almost everything or nothing then.

[vocal shard]

so the entire world as it when its hosted freshly should not change at all

[pseudo basalt]

click the mirror button and get kicked, got it

[umbral reef]

That would harshly limit a lot of worlds though

[static flax]

yikes

[vocal shard]

not including the movement of things. Dude the mirror is apart of the world

[umbral reef]

And how would the game know that?

[vocal shard]

it wouldnt limit anything

The game knows what the fucking mirror is man. Its apart of the world file

some shit should be locked in the world. Like colliders on the floor and shit like that

sorry i realize i might know a little more about game worlds than most

[sharp saddle]

@umbral reef It's the "big brother" discussion all over again.

[umbral reef]

Id earlier argue the other way around kekw

[vocal shard]

thats a pretty dumb statement idk man

[static flax]

People mention crasher clients but I have yet to see a crasher outside of particle or shader crasher exist lately. I know mesh ones exist but crasher clients have been gone for awhile.
I'm not denying people with more hours have crashers, but blocking shaders and animations still stops 99% of crashers

[vocal shard]

Seems like you have something to gain out of looking smart or cool or some shit. Pointless convo

[umbral reef]

Well your the one assuming the game would by default know what parts should stay and what should not.
There are a fair bit of worlds where removing the floor or wall colliders are part of the thing, just that you dont use those worlds doesnt mean others dont 😳

[static flax]

Do you have anything you could show? I'm not trying to say you're wrong by any stretch I've just been waiting to be proven wrong

[vocal shard]

a removable object is apart of the “world” still

If anything were to change about the world file it would automatically be tampering and warrants a ban

[umbral reef]

They dont tamper the files though

[vocal shard]

They edit values which is apart of the world files

[umbral reef]

What part of the world

[vocal shard]

its just unlocked and super exposed

[rotund bluff]

i have youtube links to people who post themselves doing it

[umbral reef]

And what the world itself also does when it needs to remove od add things

[vocal shard]

its roblox level security

[static flax]

Can you DM me some? I'd honestly like to see em

[vocal shard]

worlds dont remove and add things in vrchat

They still exist if they stop being rendered

[umbral reef]

Same applies to the things the 'hackers' do 🙃

[vocal shard]

?

user input should not be able to change anything in the world while its running

aside from pre defined switches and sliders which themselves should not change

[umbral reef]

Your totally right on that, it should not happen. But making sure that actual happens is harder then you think

[vocal shard]

thats simple anti cheat and its baffling that it isnt implemented

[umbral reef]

And an anti cheat wont solve that at all- Actually fixing the problems would.

[vocal shard]

its really not hard

[umbral reef]

If its not hard why not make an anti cheat that does all that for VRC and sell it to them for cheap?
Im sure they wont mind that

[vocal shard]

dude anti cheat is just a term for things that stop cheating

they are only now starting to make reasonable money and i suspect they’ll do it themselves soon

[west yoke]

Yet anti-cheats don't completely stop cheating

[vocal shard]

the point is that no anticheat stops none

[pseudo basalt]

Plus the way vrchat works is that you take ownership of the stuff you're grabbing, moving, interacting with etc

You shouldn't be able to mess with static things, but I think that's on the world creators to mark static

This kind of solution is just not currently realistic

[vocal shard]

Does vrchat have their own world editor/creator yet?

You can force world creators into these things

[frosty veldt]

Unity? What else would you want?

[vocal shard]

Using normal unity doesnt force world creators to make their worlds safe

[west yoke]

So you want a proprietary world creator?

[vocal shard]

I think a vrchat extension/unity modification/version would work well

[umbral reef]

Unity and Udon are things
But they provide freedom to the creator to do what ever they want and dont limit things

[vocal shard]

yea a lot of creative games opt for that

[frosty veldt]

Why should vrc force world creators to do anything though? World moderation has always been lower than avatar moderation since worlds can't spread

[vocal shard]

why should we have laws at all? Because they give something better to the community

its a minimal rules that adds tons of safety

idk if you read what we talked about

or are aware of the conversation at all

[frosty veldt]

I have, just seems very obtuse and would probably need a bunch of targets for the world creator to mark as "untouchable" or something

[proper stratus]

Ummmmm

[vocal shard]

I dont think it would limit them at all it would literally just say hey this is what the world is. And it should not change. Like its not a creative limitation it would just be apart of their game

idk how to explain it, im not gonna sit here and explain video game worlds to everyone that joins the convo

Go scroll up if you care

[proper stratus]

Cuz you're not right 😅

[vocal shard]

Ok you’re blocked man i cant handle that shit

[proper stratus]

I can make a model in Google blocks, import into unity and then pull that into vr chat.

[vocal shard]

go read

[proper stratus]

The flexibility is amazing.

[west yoke]

I think what instinct wants is to figure out a solution where the client cannot freely make changes which the server replicates. Instead using a solution where the client must make a request to the server to do said change that then get's reflected to everyone else.
I.E. making the server completely authoritative.

However I imagine such a method requires a lot more processing on the servers end. As well as making it harder for world creators to figure out how to effectively integrate that into their world.

[frosty veldt]

I just don't think its realistic to save a snapshot of the world. It would probably be difficult to differentiate between a world making a change and a client making a change since they probably use the same functions at the base level

[vocal shard]

Theres nothing to figure out. Its a method that has been done and used for years and years its not nuanced at all

Its literally just not allowing the world to be changed mid game

[west yoke]

That's a lot easier said than done.

[vocal shard]

it doesnt even harm performance, its stopping crashers and hackers

its really not man, its doenst sound like many of you know what you’re talking about. Imma dip i’ll just rile myself up talking with all of you and your fragile egos gn

bye

[west yoke]

One of the games I know purposefully made it so the option to prevent clients from modifying server values was optional as it required a different way of handling world creation.

[umbral reef]

Everyone else is wrong ofcours i am right.

[frosty veldt]

Tbh id rather have the devs work on features than arms race crashers

[proper stratus]

lol the ego on this guy

I'm glad there are players out there who know how to fix all the problems. :) Too bad they don't work for VRC. :(

[west yoke]

Would be nice if it was a simple as "adding this" and "fix that" wouldn't it?

[frosty veldt]

I just don't think it's possible/easy to detect if the world did something vs a client doing something

[west yoke]

It is possible though I'm not sure if you can with Unity

[frosty veldt]

Yeah I think Unity is the block here

[proper stratus]

All this being said, I would like to know more about what actions happen at a server level and what actions happen at an instance level.

Probably in the docs and I should go read them

[frosty veldt]

It was stated earlier in here that VRC handles things as ownership. You pick something up, you own it and send updates about it to everyone else

How would the game tell the difference between owning a bunch of objects normally versus via client? If we went automatic there would definitely be a bunch of false positives

[proper stratus]

So the problem isn't unity then, right? Unity is where worlds are designed, but then they are uploaded to vrc and handled from there. Detecting "changes" in the uploaded source code isn't really a thing.

You could detect changes in the world state, but many world states are designed to change. And I doubt vrc have hooked observables into every damn variable to ensure only certain ones change, because that would be a optimization nightmare.

I'm probably just not smart enough to understand the problem. 😅

[frosty veldt]

Like Ohm said, having a system like this would probably need an overhaul of how worlds are managed

[heady steppe]

@vocal shard The issue most likely comes from the fact that avatars are user created and a part of the world, how do you define parts of a unity scene as avatars, non-avatars, non-avatars being manipulated by avatars, avatars being manipulated by non-avatars (chairs etc), entirely static, static but modifiable by other objects (minus avatars), static but modifiable by avatars, etc etc etc

There are so many states to consider, and only a single unity scene to handle it all

The ownership system VRC implemented isn't perfect, but I can't think of a better system

Simply adding a toggle of "If a player changes stuff, don't" isn't possible

[rapid pagoda]

how do i make it so my vrc+ sub doesnt automatically renew?

[vocal shard]

cancel the subscription

[rapid pagoda]

yeah how?

[toxic pasture]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpPE85Jogjw

[vocal shard]

by reading the doc https://hello.vrchat.com/vrchat-plus-faq

[rapid pagoda]

ty

[tough zephyr]

how become i user in VRchat

[pearl loom]

add people to friends, don't get blocked/muted

[tough zephyr]

i have three friends

[pearl loom]

you need a lot more

[tough zephyr]

Oh ok how many?

[pearl loom]

idk, 100+ ?

[tough zephyr]

100+? 😮

[pearl loom]

play more, talk to people, as long as you are at least new user, ur good to go

[broken plover]

there's no set amount of friends you need, but the more friends you have the faster you will rank up

[tough zephyr]

isn't that possible with playing lessons?

[distant heron]

Hey so I have a question about the mods that allow you to have unlimited saved avatars, can you actually get banned from it or no?

[eager meteor]

Yes you can

[distant heron]

And also if you can, do people get banned for it?

[eager meteor]

If you want more than 25 characters, get VRC+

[jolly nimbus]

those are 100% against the rules

[distant heron]

Oh ok

[eager meteor]

And everyone else can see you "have" vrc+?

i hope that's not real.... rule 1 of games and security: never trust the client

[placid umbra]

That's not correct.

[pearl loom]

wait why would they do it client sided

makes no sense from programming and development side to have it client sided dafuq

[eager meteor]

Yeah... would make absolutely no sense

That would be patching, and IDA > Ghidra

[placid umbra]

Surprised I have to confirm that, but hey

[vocal shard]

is there a way to get the background in the stream camera blurred but not the avatar

[jolly nimbus]

go to a word that has DoF in the post processing maybe?

sadly i think dof is deferred rendering only and the stream camera is forward rendering

[west yoke]

Yeah, it's possible to do that with any world. Look at virtual lens, however you do have to pay to get that.

[eager meteor]

I don't even have a libgcrypto.dll

[west yoke]

I don't have that dll either

oh you spelt it wrong, no wonder

[worthy oracle]

is it just not encrypted

[eager meteor]

Encryption is not really used for binaries

it's more obfuscation, but encryption can be a part of that but quite easily ignored and often useless

[worthy oracle]

well yeah, but it definitely raises a concern if it's that easily exploitable so if it is true then that is something devs will look at im sure

[eager meteor]

That's not an exploit

But yes, the servers shouldn't just trust information from the client like that

Like?

@viral arch It's funny, because that file is not made by VRChat

but by the Python Software Foundation

[tropic sierra]

VRChat?
Feels like VRDaycare

[worthy oracle]

vrc+ should not be client sided for obvious reasons

[vocal shard]

is there a certain thing i gotta do to upgrade to the latest sdk3 version

[polar rose]

is there really no way to hide the VRC+ profile pictures on your/others nameplates? that blows my mind

[vocal shard]

there was some interesting ones being shared on the subreddit yesterday

[polar rose]

not only is that awful for safety reasons, but personally i want my nameplate to just be my name, so i literally cant support vrchat

[vocal shard]

and literally any image can be uploaded to it so

not much foresight on that one aye

[polar rose]

i definitely need some help understanding the logic behind this part

[west yoke]

You can blur them out for others but not 100% sure about hiding it on yourself.

[polar rose]

also why do me and my boyfriend have VRC+ without paying for it, was that because we tested it in the beta?

[west yoke]

It should have been removed on release

[polar rose]

we dont have the avatar slots, but we do have the user icons

[pseudo basalt]

yeah it's there for a bit but it usually goes away once you restart

[polar rose]

ah, okay

[vocal shard]

Its so calm in chat today...gues everyone still waking up

[polar rose]

the blur should definitely be changed to just hiding entirely lol

[eager meteor]

Doesn't look like it is

Like, go find the DLL if you want and see it's signed by the python foundation

[winged sparrow]

is there any vrchat + giveaways

[ancient pelican]

idk

[eager meteor]

Yes! I've heard Steam is giving out VRC+ for $9.99/m

[ancient pelican]

lol how

[eager meteor]

You open VRChat, press the banner, press purchase and then you authorize the purchase!

[vocal shard]

[ruby tiger]

Start the game, go to the VRC+ page in your menu, then type noscam on your keyboard

[ancient pelican]

lol

i love this server

i have to go back to my oline class bye

[vocal shard]

Goodluck

[ancient pelican]

ok

[sacred flame]

New update is absolutely bomb I love it

[eager meteor]

^

[sacred flame]

Upgraded to vrchat+ as soon as it came out and went avatar hunting lmao

[ancient pelican]

what

cool what model @viral arch

ya great for u

i still dont have a mouse

i been using my thuchpad to play games but is impossible

[azure charm]

Thuchpad

[vocal shard]

I never expected VRC to have something you can pay for, this really has gone downhill

[ancient pelican]

yes

[ruby needle]

You didn't? How did you expect VRC to sustain it self in the long run?

They have developers and servers to pay month after month.

[ancient pelican]

ok

i understande they need to pay their employees but at the same time i dont like vrc+

[vocal shard]

Patreon? VRC+ in my eyes is a way for more toxicity to spread

[umbral reef]

VRC+ is literal an ingame patreon

[ancient pelican]

yes

nevermind i change my mind

vrc+ is good for the game to still be active becose of the seerver and the employees and u get something if u buy it

[languid beacon]

Patreon takes a cut

[polar rose]

i dont really think its that bad. i just want to be able to hide the icons. the new nameplates are dope

[umbral reef]

Also the fact is that they needed investors, those people also want there money back.
And no sane investor would want VRC to rely on a third party (patreon) to handle all there money.

[ancient pelican]

yes @polar rose

its not bad but i dont what to see it

[pseudo basalt]

So does steam lol

[vocal shard]

Can’t wait for toxic people to nuke servers with VRC+, yikes.

[polar rose]

i love vrchat and would happily support it, but i dont want to pay $10 for something that i cant hide thats just going to clutter my nameplate.

[ancient pelican]

how? @vocal shard

[polar rose]

i'd pay $10 to remove that..how ironic.

[ancient pelican]

oh nevermind @vocal shard

[languid beacon]

He’d pay for a VRC+ exclusive feature to not see the icons... write that down

[polar rose]

:D

[ancient pelican]

i have to go

[cursive crypt]

Why do we need user icons I thought the avatar's were the users icon

[polar rose]

because like, reasons, and stuff. yea

[languid beacon]

Well a good amount of people like playing DefaultRobotChat so they will at least see your icon

[cursive crypt]

They do?

I haven't see it that often to say a good amount of people

[odd blaze]

turn off all avatars thats not friends? , know a few people like that , their pc about to explode if theres more then 10 people on screen

[proper stratus]

I got vrc+ yesterday and didn't receive any flak for it. Hung out in black cat for while, people were just chill.

[cursive crypt]

Just depends on the people

[vocal shard]

what's your IG name ?

[cursive crypt]

Not every acts the same some might dislike you for it others won't give a shit

[vocal shard]

gotta win the speedrun

[crisp anvil]

Same here, got the year subscription and haven’t had anyone be toxic about it.. yet

[cursive crypt]

I dislike it but I personally don't care if you buy it or not

[stray aspen]

I wonder if there is a 2b avatar

I would totally use it

[eager meteor]

2b? 2 bytes?

[stray aspen]

I put something in random

Its who i was talking about

[frosty veldt]

There's dozens of 2B, just gotta find em

[stray aspen]

I want one with hair and skirt physics

But most of them would probably be private worlds

Cuz all of the good avatars are in private worlds

[cursive crypt]

Skirts are good I just dislike when you find a good avatar with a skirt most of the the people don't make it so the legs don't clip through

And it's super obvious when you crouch on PC

[elfin matrix]

a lot of the 2b models are older by now, and pretty much no one weightpainted the skirt to the legs back then

[stray aspen]

Yeah your right

[fallow sphinx]

hey anyon eknow how to fixc

permanent smiling avatar idk what happened but now my character is always doing :)

[elfin matrix]

shift+f1 or f2 probably

that's how you toggle expressions on desktop

[fallow sphinx]

but how to do on VR

[vocal shard]

Dude I was playing and some dude has a pp as his pfp for vrc+ lmao

[elfin matrix]

oh, maybe a 3.0 avatar with a toggle in the action menu then?

[fallow sphinx]

cause i touched all of my controllers and it kept doing the permenanent :) and i like

[stray aspen]

The picture i posted in random is the only high detailed model i found but it was a commission

[elfin matrix]

or you locked gestures, also in the action menu

[fallow sphinx]

switch avis and they did it too so idk so struggling and no gestures not locked either it's so weird

[slate rune]

@fallow sphinx depend about your VR device for hand

[umbral reef]

Report him and laugh knowing he will get banned and have wasted his money

[elfin matrix]

why would you even break tos with an image. the evidence is right there on their servers

[late talon]

Hoi guys

[cursive crypt]

People be stupid sometimes

[vocal shard]

I thought it was hilarious

[elfin matrix]

keep in mind the people around you though, and especially the ages of those people

[fallow sphinx]

but yeah idk i didn't seem to fix it but let's see i just restarted my pc

[cursive crypt]

I hate people playing porn on the video player really annoys me

[vocal shard]

People dont care about age in this game lmao

That's the sad truth

I do

[cursive crypt]

I mean are you going around asking everyone's age?

[elfin matrix]

no, i just don't go around showing nsfw images to random strangers

[cursive crypt]

That I can agree with

I always shut off porn in video players

I usually to just block most players with NSFW avatar's but should I report them?

[odd blaze]

I made the video player a 0 byte file wont load any video (empty text file renamed)

[cursive crypt]

But I use the video player sometimes

[odd blaze]

Have my own music and never use em

[cursive crypt]

True

[languid beacon]

You can report, yes. If you don't allow untrusted URL's, those types of videos will usually not be able to play, I don't think any of the whitelisted services allow porn.

[late talon]

Is there a channel where I can make a suggestion

[vocal shard]

Wait they actually let you play porn lmao

[cursive crypt]

You can find some stuff like that on YouTube

[languid beacon]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests

[winged sparrow]

vrchat now adays is nothing but porn

[odd blaze]

Played random videos from my gdrive awhile ago to see if it worked

[umbral reef]

Its best to place suggestions for VRC to there canny. Thats the place where they actually read them.
Adeon just linked it for ya

[vocal shard]

Oo ima request they change the nameplates back

[late talon]

Oh ok

[stray aspen]

Where do y’all find this happening most of the worlds i go to are pretty chill

[languid beacon]

Porn isn't allowed in VRC at all - but the game can't check a URL before it's played. People doing it would be banned if reported.

[vocal shard]

goodluck with that

[cursive crypt]

I would report them if I knew 100% who it was

[languid beacon]

It's already there - if you make a duplicate it will be deleted. Just vote for the one that's already there. (But it's not very popular)

[odd blaze]

Never liked the old, but i have yet to test the new one much so 🤷‍♂️

[cursive crypt]

It should be popular

[vocal shard]

Its reminds me of imvu and it makes so sick

[languid beacon]

The old was very cluttered. love the new, once you turn the opacity down. I think they should have defaulted it to 40 or 20% instead of 80.

[fallow patrol]

vrc plus yikes man

[vocal shard]

i love the new one..just put opacity to 0 and poof

[tame citrus]

The new fucking vrchat update makes you have cloning on and you can’t take it off.

[elfin matrix]

they've probably changed a bunch, but the new nameplates fit well with the new ui images they showed back in april/may or something, so doubt they will revert them now

[umbral reef]

Tried changing the transparenty of it yet?

[winged sparrow]

i paid 1000 dollars worth of vrc+

[vocal shard]

Yea and it's still gross lmao

[brittle cairn]

lol wot

[languid beacon]

You can do that?

[elfin matrix]

i 100% recommend setting opacity to 0% though, it makes them a lot better

[brittle cairn]

I just 1 month

[cursive crypt]

They like someone said reminds me of Facebook

[languid beacon]

0% Opacity, and the smallest size

[vocal shard]

Also why is it monthly just make vrc 10 dollars to play instead of free

[elfin matrix]

got worried there for a second

[languid beacon]

I'm sure they would if they could get Amazon to agree to only charge them for their services once and then let them use the servers forever for free.

[cursive crypt]

That would kill the game

[vocal shard]

😂
thank god you aren't the one taking decisions

[civic plume]

could someone dm me the stuff i need for playspace mover?

[vocal shard]

google it

[elfin matrix]

openvr advanced settings on steam

[civic plume]

i would much appreciate it <3

[austere abyss]

Youtube has a good amount of turtorials

[civic plume]

can be downloaded on steam now?

[elfin matrix]

yup. for free. just set up the motion stuff and bindings and you're good to go

[glad cradle]

Is the update not here yet or is it just me?

[languid beacon]

Yes but I actually recommend the one that isn't on Steam, otherwise it will say you are always playing it instead of VRChat

[vocal shard]

just you

[elfin matrix]

on discord? vrchat seems to take priority for me on steam and discord. but a fair point

[civic plume]

its fine just whatever can give me playspace mover

[languid beacon]

On Steam. Discord just shows whichever game was launched most recently

[civic plume]

what is the app called i cannot find it

[elfin matrix]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1009850/OVR_Advanced_Settings/
apologies, should have said ovr instead of openvr

[vocal shard]

[civic plume]

i think i found it yes

[ancient pelican]

hi whats hapening

[elfin matrix]

there are community bindings available for space dragging, so if those work for you then it should be simple

[vocal shard]

playspace mover stopped working for me since the 3.0 update 😔

[civic plume]

i have valve index, is there anything i should know?

[fallow sphinx]

goddangit it won't stop smiling holy i tried EVERYTHING

[elfin matrix]

the old standalone playspace mover?

[languid beacon]

Played for 6 hours, and as expected the whole "people are gonna make fun of me for paying for VRC+" was just a bunch of Discord tripping

[vocal shard]

this one https://github.com/naelstrof/VRPlayspaceMover

[ancient pelican]

are u guys taking about sdk 3

[odd blaze]

^ dead yes

[vocal shard]

nah.. i got shit on in a couple of lobbies XD

why 😠

caus i got +

[cursive crypt]

Have you tried a different avatar?

[elfin matrix]

only ran into a couple people but wasn't an issue. and this was in public black cats

[unreal verge]

You got scammed my dude. I paid $275 only

[odd blaze]

Wasnt updated in ages, steamvr changed something and it broke it

[vocal shard]

so what can i do to make it work again

[odd blaze]

ovr is easier to be honest

[elfin matrix]

change to ovr advanced settings and use the setting there

[vocal shard]

ovr doesnt work for me
the menu doesn't appear

[odd blaze]

no need to install input emulator

[languid beacon]

once plus is giftable, people won't really have any justification to making fun of it.

[elfin matrix]

how dare you get gifted vrc+

[cursive crypt]

Vrchat+, Netflix or nitro you pick what's the better deal

[eager meteor]

All of the above

[languid beacon]

I quit nitro and netflix to fund VRC+ lol

[vocal shard]

i hope it will be giftable
I'll get my simps to buy it for me 😋

[pseudo basalt]

you can launch ovr advanced settings from inside vr but there should be an option to auto start somewhere

[cursive crypt]

Oof

[unreal verge]

Netflix is the best deal

[eager meteor]

netflix is basically free for me

[unreal verge]

Netflix > Nitro > VRChat+

[waxen citrus]

Wouldn't really give Netflix money considering a... recent controversy.

[vocal shard]

it is launched automatically
but still no menu for it

[eager meteor]

Starting with C, ends with s?

[elfin matrix]

i use discord the most, then vrchat after that, netflix only occasionally for one of their exclusive titles. if i had to chose then probably vrc+ for a year then back to nitro

[cursive crypt]

I just mentioned them cause there all $9.99

[odd blaze]

ovr was odd for me until i reinstalled windows, must been some leftover from my wmr causing issues (kept spinning me around 90 randomly)

[waxen citrus]

Yes

[languid beacon]

oh, i paid for the more expensive netflix

[eager meteor]

Same, i have the Ultra HD 4k thingy with 4 screens

[unreal verge]

I pay $12/m for Netflix

[languid beacon]

I also quit minecraft, a few patreons, and hulu. so adding VRC+ is still saving money

[eager meteor]

How does quitting MC save you money?

[languid beacon]

Servers

[cursive crypt]

Ahhh

[eager meteor]

You ran servers?

[unreal verge]

For Nitro too, but VRC+ not as i don't think $10 is justified for the features you get. Too expensive.

[cursive crypt]

Not sure what servers your paying for in Minecraft

[languid beacon]

Minecraft's official realm servers

[eager meteor]

oh

[cursive crypt]

Why?

[elfin matrix]

it's a fine line when it comes to features. you want to give an incentive for someone to purchase, but don't make it too exclusive so people that don't buy it feel too bad

[languid beacon]

Do you have an alternative plan for playing multiplayer?

[eager meteor]

Yes

[fallow sphinx]

@cursive crypt yeep

[unreal verge]

Still too expensive in my opinion. $5 would be better.

[eager meteor]

Unofficial servers

[umbral reef]

Talking about an security hazard

[unreal verge]

Just like Nitro classic which doesn't cost as much, but has less Features

[languid beacon]

Someone still pays for them, no difference

[cursive crypt]

Then no idea I thought maybe it was just a avatar thing

[cursive crypt]

There's a lot of good free Minecraft servers

[umbral reef]

That others pay for

[languid beacon]

Not in my experience. they're all laggy when you pay MC's rate

[cursive crypt]

You do you

[languid beacon]

There are no free servers. Someone else is always paying for them.

[cursive crypt]

I meant free to you

[eager meteor]

Oh yeah theres a service where you can have a free server for like an hour

aternos i think

[languid beacon]

I don't think the owner of the server will let me have control of his server and add my mods and invite all my friends and kick out all the other players

[cursive crypt]

Well you didn't mention that

[languid beacon]

Yes, that's sort of why people buy servers :p

[elfin matrix]

this is probably not applicable at all, but reminds me of japanese anime dvd prices
they're fairly expensive right, but when they tried lowering the prices, they saw that they made the same amount of sales, but now made less money

[verbal meteor]

I just ended up buying a home server to run stuff like MC and other games, it's far more cost effective and you have full control. 😄

[cursive crypt]

I mean just cause it didn't work out for someone doesn't mean it wouldn't work out for another

[unreal verge]

Well it's OK. I just won't pay for it since i already have other subscriptions running and can't justify to be able to afford VRC+.

[elfin matrix]

i bought the year, and with the early promotion thing, i won't be billed again until march 2022, so not something i have to think about for a while

[languid beacon]

For a lot of people, money is worth more than your time, and I get that. You'll wait to spend money, you'll do something that takes longer to avoid a fee. There's nothing wrong with that... but when you have a job... that pays well, there's a point where time is worth more than your money, and you'll pay to save some time, because no one is time-rich.

[unreal verge]

How is VRChat+ saving time?

[languid beacon]

Good question, I was talking about MInecraft

[unreal verge]

Fair enough

[languid beacon]

But, you do get to upload right away instead of waiting

[unreal verge]

Mmh... That's nice but playing for a few hours is also not that bad

[warped finch]

will the badge stay even if I unsubscribe ?

[unreal verge]

I played 10 hours for new user.

[languid beacon]

It also saves you juggling favorites or making alts for more favorite slots

[verbal meteor]

ya, it's an early supporter badge, stays forever.

[unreal verge]

I only use 10 favorite slots anyways since I've my own avatars so...

[languid beacon]

heh, I know, I was never even at 16

[elfin matrix]

You will retain any “Early Supporter” statuses or badges.
You will retain Trust gained from the VRChat Plus Trust boost.

[languid beacon]

I doubt I'll hit 25 let alone 100

[vocal shard]

got 10 saved atm...probs never gonna reach the 100 D:

[languid beacon]

For me it was just a “this game has been my obsession for the last 2.5 years, I want to support it” kind of thing. I don’t think I’ll use any of the features except the icon sometimes

[elfin matrix]

they should add letting you favorite your own avatars, since it doesn't seem like they will add sorting anytime soon

[odd blaze]

0 fav's they are all mine 🤔 dont really use public ones

[vocal shard]

i just got some trolly once to mess with my friends.. but thats about it

[odd blaze]

yes sorting is the one reason i cant have my public on main avatar its such a mess, and id like folder for just them >_>

[vocal shard]

mostly use my own so. eh

[languid beacon]

Those picture invites look cool, I will def use those when it’s out

[tiny shale]

Hi, I purchased vrchat+ but not sure how to use it cause it doesnt appear when I open the app

[languid beacon]

For me the game didn’t change to saying I had it until I logged off and back in

[umbral reef]

Make sure the payment email got send.
And after that make sure to reboot the game one or two times

[languid beacon]

Actually I closed the game

[vocal shard]

for me it just changed my status instantly.. but its different for everyone

[sage shadow]

can anyone here upload an avatar for me

[elfin matrix]

to your account? no

[sage shadow]

nah as in like, from your account and then i download it

[elfin matrix]

that is not possible. the only way you can do that is if they set the avatar to public and you favorite it

[sage shadow]

o ok

[cursive crypt]

Why not just make a VRC account if you cannot upload or you not the right rank?

[sage shadow]

not able to upload yet

[rocky blaze]

allowing the custom icons with vrchat plus was a mistake, i saw in a discord that someone had a certain german symbol with the pride flag behind it smh

[cursive crypt]

Ahh

[tacit plank]

VRC plus is not a different application right?

[azure charm]

O h

[cursive crypt]

I personally still use steam lol

[tacit plank]

I don't want my hours to reset just because I get VRC+

[elfin matrix]

you can report icons though, so they will not only have wasted money, but the evidence is right there

[sage shadow]

yeah i use steam but i need to use a vrc account to upload an avatar

[rocky blaze]

it was a photo that someone took of someone else that had blacked out their name so i cant report

[cursive crypt]

I don't have a account for the simple reason of name length limit

[sage shadow]

they should add a way for steam accounts to uplod avatars

[cursive crypt]

Maybe

[azure charm]

There’s no need to though

[cursive crypt]

I don't reason

[sage shadow]

how many hours do i need to be able to upload

[tacit plank]

Huh, VRC+ charges monthly automatically. Is it easy to cancel again, should I want to?

[waxen citrus]

I used to think the same, but after they added account linking I don't think it's necessary anymore.

[languid beacon]

People uploading bannable icons? Did they not read that there is no refunds? Hope they enjoy the ban without refund....

[odd blaze]

Never a fan of auto renew , like it when it just ask/tell me before it runs out, only a few do that tho

[cursive crypt]

Like my handle online is my discord name so I kind of dislike when the name length doesn't allow me to have it or I need some variation for different companies that's why I haven't made a account yet

[tacit plank]

I don't like auto-renew at all, but I also don't like that the consequences are clear

[elfin matrix]

steam sends you one of these emails

Reminder of an upcoming subscription renewal on Steam

[languid beacon]

Yeah I just drop my last name when it doesn’t fit

[tacit plank]

If my Steam-wallet runs out of funds, does it stop or does it ban me for fraud?

[cursive crypt]

I could do Putt or Putt Putt but then people think golf instead

[languid beacon]

If they don’t get payment you just will have your benifits end. You are thinking about a chargeback

[vocal shard]

you get banned for fraud and reported to the competent authorities of your country
can't joke around with money

[tacit plank]

As long as I wouldn't be punished for running out, then it's fine

[elfin matrix]

yeah, it simply doesn't renew

[tacit plank]

Because I'd likely forget that it charges from my Steam wallet and not my card directly

[languid beacon]

Be aware of course if you are using a credit card or PayPal with a credit balance they are perfect capable of spending money you don’t have, so be mindful

[vocal shard]

whats up

[tacit plank]

Yeah, thank you! I have over 10K on the card, I'm just lazy and expect for forget that VRC+ even exists

[cursive crypt]

Food for thought when creating a account or changing a username how come there's no option to see how your user name works in the nameplates and how it appears to others (Unless it does have that)

[elfin matrix]

you can look up with the menu open to see your nameplate

but a preview function before changing? no

[cursive crypt]

Yeah I was thinking before you change/create it

[languid beacon]

If you look up while the menu is open you see your own nametag

[cursive crypt]

Cause my name is long and if I wanna shorten it I wanna see how it would look to others

[languid beacon]

If VRChat let’s you change your name to it I believe it will be fully displayed. The only exception is steam names that were chosen outside of VRChat may be too long

[elfin matrix]

a bit of a waste, but create a new account with one letter changed i guess?

[tacit plank]

Lol I have exactly 69 friends online which have VRC+

[elfin matrix]

just for preview reasons

[cursive crypt]

It actually already shortens my name or it did not sure how it looks on the new nameplates but it would remove car in my name

[languid beacon]

I’m waiting for the weekend to start rallying up what % seems to have plus... but it won’t be accurate because plus users are more likely to be logged in

[cursive crypt]

I tried once to make a account didn't cause of the name limit

[tacit plank]

True. And my friends are like 80% trusted users

[languid beacon]

New name tags are better but the old ones would be ridiculously long if your name was long

[cursive crypt]

My name was long but it got shorten to without the car and numbers

[languid beacon]

Oh that was a Steam account

[tacit plank]

It's biased in that my friend group is already heavily invested in VRC. They sleep in VR, have 1K+ hours on average, have VR partners, do VKet stuff, etc.

So I'm just doing statistics for fun

[cursive crypt]

Yeah it was and still is

It's just I've picked a handle online and do dislike that I have to change it for different name limits

[languid beacon]

Steam account names waste five characters for the space and four random alphanums at the end

[cursive crypt]

I know

It technically doesn't for me cause my name is super long lol

[languid beacon]

It’s there just not displayed. At least not on the old nametags, did you see how it looks yesterday? Nametags are different now

[cursive crypt]

I did but I can't see my own nametag

[languid beacon]

Look up and press esc

Or in vr, look up and press B

[tacit plank]

Why no more friend favorites? I'm at 94/96, and only because 1 or 2 unfriended me

[cursive crypt]

Oh

[tacit plank]

I wanted to have 1 row dedicated to lewd people too, but I had to drop the idea as I ran out of space

[cursive crypt]

You can favorite friends?

[tacit plank]

Yeah

[cursive crypt]

That a trusted rank thing?

[tacit plank]

Only 3 rows of 32

[languid beacon]

No anyone can do it

[cursive crypt]

Never knew that

[languid beacon]

Same way you favorite worlds

[cursive crypt]

Always wondered what the world like favorites in the list were

[languid beacon]

I only use one list called “Pinned”... haven’t filled it yet

[cursive crypt]

I don't have anyone lol

[velvet inlet]

Can we gift vrc plus to people???

[south solstice]

Is friends system broken again? It seems like rn ppl are having problems add friend, and the online friends wouldn't refresh

[velvet inlet]

If so how?

[umbral reef]

Sadly not
They might add it in the future though.

[velvet inlet]

Me sad

[abstract gazelle]

Holy crap, VR Chat has really improved. I went into a Legend of Zelda: Breathe of the Wild world and there was a stone statue that animated and stated targeting and shooting at me, I LOVE IT!

[velvet inlet]

Thanks tho

[cursive crypt]

Also if we're talking about friends a petpevee Is people who randomly friend request you

[brittle cairn]

The Zelda map hits my RTX hard 💀

[abstract gazelle]

?, why?

[brittle cairn]

pretty sure its all the grass

[cursive crypt]

I would probably crash or have low fps

[abstract gazelle]

huh, i have an RX580, no issues

[brittle cairn]

i have an i7 9700k @ 4.7Ghz, 16gb ddr5 ram and a 6gb rtx 2060 and i get like 10 - 15 fps in there

[cursive crypt]

I have a old Radeon HD 7700

[abstract gazelle]

i just built ryzen 5 3600, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd on mb Radeon rx580 8GB...

[cursive crypt]

But my CPUs like a Intel Xeon I'm pretty sure it has around 6 cores with threads and 24 or 16 GB RAM not 100% sure not home to check

[abstract gazelle]

ryzen 3600 is a placeholder till the 5900x is back in stock

[brittle cairn]

got 8 cores in mine

[cursive crypt]

I could be wrong on mine

I just know it's a pretty good cpu

It's the highest my motherboard can handle

[west yoke]

DDR5?

[brittle cairn]

DDR5 ram

[west yoke]

🤔

[broken plover]

isnt ddr5 old graphics card ram
gddr5

[brittle cairn]

might even be 4 its corsair

[elfin matrix]

regular ram is still on ddr4, no?

[brittle cairn]

i think its breaking out

[broken plover]

yeah regular system memory is still ddr4. ddr5 is maybe used in servers and only released to consumers in the next few years

[brittle cairn]

its just expensive

[broken plover]

idk where you're at but I can't find any ddr5 modules for sale

[cursive crypt]

Mine's the old style ram

My PC's from around 2010-2011

It's a old Z400

[wanton kelp]

oops wrong channel

[languid beacon]

@velvet inlet I believe a dev confirmed it’s planned. checking now

[velvet inlet]

Cool

[languid beacon]

Here it is

[broken plover]

for now you can gift it indirectly by gifting your friend steam funds

[naive wadi]

now i cantb see the rank of people without opening the menu

nice

[indigo fern]

Yea, so don't go hating the cute lil visitors anymore

[naive wadi]

dang it