vrchat-general-2

[dusky crest]

@vocal shard says you

[vocal shard]

we shall see what the future brings

[orchid raptor]

I understand completely, I've been programming and reverse engineering games for years. I'm hoping the introduction of VRChat+ improves the games quality of life.

[dusky crest]

Indeed we will, I just want these features already

[vocal shard]

“Do not discuss mods and modded clients”

[worthy oracle]

Don’t we all xD

[dusky crest]

@vocal shard well that's too damn bad

[pale swan]

No that’s illegal

[vocal shard]

LOL

actually

[worthy oracle]

what did I just read

[vocal shard]

Someone needed to visit the void club

the rules says:
No discussion on how to hack / cheat in VRChat to what no one is doing

[pale swan]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-what-huh-gif-11736153

[quick crane]

the void club?

[worthy oracle]

👁️👄👁️

[pale swan]

Lol his pfp

[dusky crest]

@vocal shard world and avatar developers get their money mainly from doing commissions

[pale swan]

Stop dude actually

[worthy oracle]

I mean it’s not a job to make content for the game, it’s a decision. But some creators really do a lot for this game

[quick crane]

wait is that against the rules

oh sorry guys haha 🙂

[worthy oracle]

well we have plenty of creators out there

[vocal shard]

The team has said they would like to implement a system for creators to earn some money as well

[worthy oracle]

that’s great

[vocal shard]

yay now everyone can earn money with that nice stolen content

Obviously using content they own or have the license for

[dusky crest]

^

[vocal shard]

caus thats gonna be impossible to regulate

I love that people thing devs do nothing. Like we didn’t just get udon a little while ago, never happened. They don’t fix bugs. Nope. They don’t work on the servers when needed. Nope. The game runs itself

[worthy oracle]

vrc+ is great for the game when you consider funding the dev team and ideas like that

[vocal shard]

They already do it with the different events

[dusky crest]

I just hope the funding goes to the right places

[vocal shard]

im just interested in how they are gonna implement that.

[worthy oracle]

I think it’s cause some of the most common issues aren’t fixed for long periods of time. Certain exploits, or the general low frames you encounter in game. Obviously there’s lots of work to do, but the major updates come only once in awhile to address a handful of things. Not to say there’s no development, but the game does have its issues to put it bluntly

I do think that now we have been seeing like, better updates

[dusky crest]

@vocal shard I mean I would personally like to not have to restart my game 5 times every session because I get stuck on "0.00b" on a loading screen

that's only been happening since forever

[abstract vault]

devs already confirmed it's too hard

[vocal shard]

man unlucky

[abstract vault]

Give them your money.

[worthy oracle]

But I’ve been playing for 2 years and I feel like there’s some stale periods of development where not much changes. It’s cool to see recently updates that are doing more

I know it’s a lot to tackle but there’s reason why there are complaints out there.

[dusky crest]

oh and a feature to not have some e-boy avatar cause my screen to rumble and flicker

[vocal shard]

I think as well. They had received investor funding. And as such, they have to use the money how the investors see fit. And eventually start making a profit enough to pay it back. But at the same time, they have to keep showing progress to the investors to maintain finding. Otherwise it it looks to them like development is flat lining, it may be bad

[white latch]

Safety features is what you're looking for

[abstract vault]

In other words VRC has become what Oculus has.

[potent fern]

so facebook purchase coming next?

[vocal shard]

pls no

No

I think that's the last thing they want

[dusky crest]

I would hope

[abstract vault]

They may have already done so, but not with facebook.

[vocal shard]

im already happy im free from a FB account till 2023

[white latch]

Yeah one of the devs last night said they'd probably quit and move on somewhere else if Facebook bought it out lmao

[potent fern]

yea but if you get offered that big fat , gotta take it

[vocal shard]

Facebook has horizons

[dusky crest]

VRCHAT NEWS
We're happy to announce that VRChat is being purchased by Skynet™

[abstract vault]

Frankly I think all this happened cause investors are controlling the dev progression.

[drowsy barn]

hello

[worthy oracle]

To put an honest opinion, I feel as if VRC team would do well collaborating with some of the wholesome mod developers. They know enough about the game to render themselves useful at developing the game more. But not sure we would see that sort of thing, or if funding allows. I don’t think it would happen just cause these people usually aren’t accepted.

[abstract vault]

Won't happen.

[worthy oracle]

Yeah I know, but some people have shown to care enough about the game and know enough to create some fixes on stuff on their own time

[abstract vault]

I'm screencapping this for the meme

[ruby tiger]

Anyway, where is :vrcPlus: emoji

[dusky crest]

right here
💩

[worthy oracle]

[potent fern]

Bruh

[abstract vault]

Not you, the guy who posted the other thing, but I missed it ;w;

[worthy oracle]

I don’t know what happened because it was deleted lol

[potent fern]

When are getting emoji reaction back 😩

[abstract vault]

I read it and it was funny.

[white latch]

Tbh in just excited for the nameplates, no more giant ugly box. Plus we get customizability 👀

[vocal shard]

And no more rank separation

[dusky crest]

reaction emoji when
I wanna react to dev announcements with vulgar words in regional_indicators

[white latch]

I'm 100% setting the opacity to 0 and making the size like a quarter of what it is.

[ruby tiger]

0% opacity with icons that have transparency

[vocal shard]

unless you pay..then you got some seperation

[white latch]

Utterly beautiful https://imgur.com/fkvdFZo

[ruby tiger]

the first month is going to be wild, people will approach vrc+ users to get blocked by them

[vocal shard]

Now that most headsets are higher resolution, I guess they're comfortable making the nameplate smaller

[white latch]

Eh, those are not gonna be the people you want to hang out with anyway, so good riddance

[ruby tiger]

that's the nice part

[white latch]

They cull themselves out

[vocal shard]

cries in cv1

ohshii i can use mah emotes again!

Nice

[worthy oracle]

[dusky crest]

me on my rift cv1 with screendoor effect

cant read text that's more than 2 ft away cause its all pixely

[vocal shard]

[white latch]

Jokes on you I'm on wmr

[vocal shard]

Yeah

[strong isle]

Potatoe

[white latch]

We don't get SHIT

[white latch]

By this I mean we get nothing good

[vocal shard]

i just needa switch out of my cv1 before 2023

lel i saw that

[ruby tiger]

instant delete

[white latch]

grrr

[dusky crest]

the mod doesn't like my humour :(

[vocal shard]

Not appropriate

mods go brrrrr

[dusky crest]

I'll buy vrchat plus when we get multicore support

[worthy oracle]

facts

[dusky crest]

I'll legit buy 5 years of that shit jusjt to be able to use more than like 18% of my cpu

[vocal shard]

the game has multicore and hyperthreading

That's an old myth

[worthy oracle]

but it no bueno pls fix

my cpu barely gets used xD

[dusky crest]

same

[ruby tiger]

No amount of multi-threading will fix awful user-provided content

[worthy oracle]

but like

[white latch]

This

[worthy oracle]

it’s not just that I mean, you can go to a world full of people with vrchat default avatars and it’ll still be laggy

[white latch]

close chrome /joke

[ruby tiger]

When did you try that the last time

[vocal shard]

It's true, most of the game runs on just a couple cores. But most games from this era do as well. It's only recent stuff like doom that makes full use of your cores

[white latch]

Download more cores /j

[worthy oracle]

just buy a 3000$ cpu

[dusky crest]

Ryzen 69 6900x overclocked to 69 ghz

[white latch]

I am all for these legitimate explanations from people who actually know shit tbh

[dusky crest]

guys I'm funny I used the funny number multiple times

[pale swan]

I’m losing brain cells 😴

[worthy oracle]

[white latch]

Probably not looking at the chat rn

[dusky crest]

the mod was literally typing while I posted it

[worthy oracle]

don’t get the

[white latch]

The banner for it still appears for a short while even after they stop typing

[pale swan]

We about to see bubble go bye bye

[dusky crest]

I did go bye bye :(

[ruby tiger]

Don't rage-quit now, BuBBLE

[dusky crest]

I got sent into the shadow realm for a second but I have emerged from the darkness

[pale swan]

Don’t worry BuBBLE would just Respawn

[dusky crest]

yeah just dip the wand back in the soap and blow me back into reality

[white latch]

📌

Out of the wand and into the tomb

[dusky crest]

tis the sad reality of life

[ruby tiger]

the pins in this channel are pretty old

[worthy oracle]

[dusky crest]

y'know whats funny

its against tos to use a modded client and it's serious enough to carry a permanent ban

but there's no option in the report menu for "Modded Client"

I wonder if modded clients added that feature too

wouldn't that be funny

[worthy oracle]

yeah considering that’s the most reason I see to report if anything

[white latch]

You can report people on the site for it I guess. It's been awhile since I've checked the report options

[ruby tiger]

because of the massive of false reports you would receive
and you can't prove client usage after the fact (in many cases)

somebody has to look through these reports at some point

[white latch]

Addendum; like if they were actually doing something that was harmful

[dusky crest]

my statement was more rhetorical but ok

[white latch]

I mean it's also discord's tos not to use modified clients too

[dusky crest]

yet betterdiscord thrives

[vocal shard]

It's best to report anything through the website. The in game report doesn't give enough information or proof

[ruby tiger]

and since you don't have any numbers to back that up, i would assume that +95% of Discord userbase uses the original client

[dusky crest]

I doubt that its as high as 95%

[ruby tiger]

Discord has a lot of users

[dusky crest]

I used betterdiscord for a long time but it was laggy for some reason

[worthy oracle]

I don’t see any reason to modify discord, it’s just discord bruh

[dusky crest]

betterdiscord allows more customisation

themes are actually really nice

[worthy oracle]

gimme dark theme and the discord features and I’m chilling

[white latch]

I literally don't know a single person who uses a modified discord except probably you

[worthy oracle]

😳

[dusky crest]

I know alot of people that use betterdiscord

[white latch]

And the only other person I saw was using browser discord and using fuckin stylish

[dusky crest]

also betterdiscord allows u to save chatlogs so moderation is alot better on it

[worthy oracle]

the few people I knew that used better discord were the same people that used malicious clients in vrchat

[ruby tiger]

Discord says '100+ Million monthly active users', how many use a custom client for Discord?

[dusky crest]

well 5% of 100 million is still 5 million people

betterdiscord is harmless honestly

selfbots I don't really trust tho

as EXTREMELY useful as selfbots are, I won't ever use one

[unique warren]

what kind of a vr you need to play this game

[karmic vale]

Any works as long as it can hook up to a pc really.

Just make sure you have a good enough computer for VR.

[unique warren]

ohw im using a gaming laptop i think im good

it has to be a vr quest right?

[uncut totem]

it depends on your laptop ports

[white latch]

It can be any headset, not just quest.

Basically, as long as it supports "OpenVR" then it will probably work fine.

[shut zodiac]

[ashen wraith]

super fun killing people as impostor in VRchat among us I can just make the goat scream sound effect before I kill someone as a velociraptor.

[amber juniper]

my condolences

[vocal shard]

quick question, how do you enter urls in vrchat game?

basically to watch movies

[sharp saddle]

Copy-paste.

[vocal shard]

okay but what buttons to copy and paste?? i cant use my desktop mouse

[sharp saddle]

Gotta use your keyboard to do that.

Are you trying to use the YouTube player or a movie world?

[vocal shard]

movie inworld and im wondering which set of keyboard buttons to do all this

[sharp saddle]

If it's Kareeda or Root's Home, you can just click on the movie title on the wall.

[vocal shard]

fancy cat theatre world o.o

[sharp saddle]

Hmmm... this is a new one.

[vocal shard]

heh i visit a lot of worlds

i forget how to enter urls in world cause it requires key board buttons to do so

[sharp saddle]

Ctrl+C to copy, Ctrl+V to paste.

[vocal shard]

O.O ahhhh ~ 🙂

huge thank you!

see how slow my mind is lol

[sharp saddle]

No worries.

[vocal shard]

hugs friend ^^

[potent fern]

was it said somewhere how long the open beta will last?

[oblique ore]

🍋

i like lemons and vrc+

[regal furnace]

please stop it with the lemons already, its not funny anymore

[oblique ore]

can i not like lemons? >:(

[regal furnace]

you can, just not here

[oblique ore]

i have the freedom of speech

[regal furnace]

or are you making a VRChat discord speedrun?

[sharp saddle]

But not freedom from criticism.

[oblique ore]

i just like lemons 😭

[vocal shard]

maybe im out of loop here..but whats wrong with lemons?

[sharp saddle]

They were used to protest VRC+ in the beginning.

[regal furnace]

something with spam and the whole vrc+ fiasco

[vocal shard]

i see

[amber juniper]

https://xkcd.com/1357/

[inland knot]

cursed

[vocal shard]

Hey guys, what's a good alternative to VRC?

[jagged arrow]

Just spent 4/5 hours working on a Blender VRChat avatar

[regal furnace]

there arent any good alternatives yet, the closest things to vrc would probably be recroom, neos, chillout, and maybe even facebook horizon, but none of them are that close to vrchat (yet)

[slate rock]

I love vrchat

[lavish copper]

[cosmic sable]

[restive epoch]

do we know when the new update is going to drop?

[golden scaffold]

Not yet, but you'll have a pretty good idea when when we take down our Open Beta and release sometime after that. We'll let you know in an announcement when things are ready to go live.

[cunning void]

Is the Pepe thing in rule 16 archaic?

[orchid raptor]

When Open Beta ends and the update goes live, I assume VRChat+ will be live at the same time, including the subscription option being enabled?

[golden scaffold]

Yeah, should be.

[tulip bluff]

has anyone ever tried uploading the map of a big open world game to VRC?

[regal furnace]

i tried porting a map from portal once, but it wasnt quite working

[daring stirrup]

would any one know how to add a global audio que to your world for when someone joins? i'm trying to have a little audible bell play when a new person enters the world but i'm unsure how to do it.

[amber juniper]

there is #udon-general

[daring stirrup]

i'm not building in sdk3 is it still the same?

[sharp saddle]

#world-development

[daring stirrup]

ah i didnt see that channel thank you

[sharp saddle]

o/

[old heron]

Instead of money grabbing... why not just fixed the game entirely...?

[glossy wharf]

"Why take money for your product in a completely optional way instead of pressing the magic fix all bugs button"

[old heron]

Well jee, imagine blocking our emotes but :kekw:

[glossy wharf]

🐒

[old heron]

Yea i dont use basic LOL

[sharp saddle]

It's... not money-grabbing, it's called "we need money to make those fixes".

[autumn forum]

speaking of which... is there any easy way to get leap motion working for hand motion tracking without using other vr gear?

[sharp saddle]

Leap... motion?

[autumn forum]

yuh

[sharp saddle]

What's that?

[umbral reef]

If i can ask, do you already have it or do you plan to get one?

[autumn forum]

i got one already.. old one

[umbral reef]

Because so far i know, an leap motion costs as much as an quest 2 where i live and for sure more then some lower ends WMR headsets

But there isnt an easy way, its gonna be an bit of a gimick more then actually working sadly.
There are ways to do it last time i checked, but i dont know the software needed for it.

[sharp saddle]

Oh, it's a WMR headset. Gotcha.

[umbral reef]

Oh no its an hand tracking camera

[autumn forum]

yeah, not sure, but looks like gotta set up a whole fake vr rig just to do hand motion

hmm.. i just want something that's a little more lively than kb+mouse control without going full vr

[stray lion]

VRCHAT?

[vocal shard]

[sharp saddle]

YES?

[stray lion]

REC ROOM?

[vocal shard]

Rec room is another game... Yes

[stray lion]

ngl i kinda prefer Rec Room

[vocal shard]

Cool

[fallen wadi]

Wait is that the Artemis I know?

[sharp saddle]

Maaaaaybe.

That target practice map was interesting.

[fallen wadi]

Lol random good luck with this group I'm off to bed. Been up too long

Also truuu

Barg and their mad mute adventures. Their going to take over one day

[rapid laurel]

Imagine having to continuously pay 10 dollars every month to get features when you can buy a full game for 60

Lets say i were to have payed 10 dollars a month for the about three years I've played, lets also say its 100 a year, that's 300 dollars. which is absurd. The moment you stop paying you lose features which is ridiculous. I could see a one time payment but a subscriptions have always been a disgusting practice in my eyes. I am seriously disappointed to see that this is still something the team is willing to go through with. I would definitely donate one time to get those little features even if it was 20 bucks or something, hell i would pay full price for this game. It feels very scummy to tell people "ey you wanna keep those features? That'll be another ten bucks"

[candid fiber]

Some game done that yes. One fee to get some Premiums stuff

[inner cape]

theyre very insignificant features, treat them more as rewards for supporting the project than a proper paid service

[rapid laurel]

Even if the features are just little aesthetic things. The fact of the matter is you're forcing people to constantly give money to not lose the features which feels scummy.

[inner cape]

thats like.. having netflix or amazon prime when you stop paying

thats the whole point of subscriptions

[rapid laurel]

That's a fair point however with something like that you don't lose what you've already received. you don't give back the packages you've been shipped by amazon or unwatch the movies you've seen on netflix. Here however as soon as you stop paying you get all of those features retracted as if you never payed at all.

[vocal shard]

why wont my vrchat load up a world

[civic garnet]

^

[inner cape]

🤷‍♂️

[vocal shard]

this happening to anyone else

[civic garnet]

ye

[vocal shard]

yo facts

[inner cape]

maybe it's something they will adress, its still in beta after all, ikrandas

maybe you'll get to keep your early supporter badge lmao

[rapid laurel]

There are some things that would make sense for a subscription. Put the beta content or something that would make sense to lose access to behind a subscription based pay wall idk. But don't let people pay money only to take the features they payed for away from them. It just feels like zero thought was put in to this idea. There is definitely a right way to monetize this game and I think that if perhaps the entire team interacted and took ideas from the community rather than, what feels like completely ignoring us, then maybe we could agree on a way to do it.

Actually I shouldnt say zero thought

[inner cape]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rapid laurel]

I should say that no one asked the community what they thought before just announcing it. It seriously feels like we have no say in anything and for a game that is solely based on its community i would expect a higher level of involvement.

[inner cape]

im pretty sure some part of the community wanted some way to support the project, so they just did this

[rapid laurel]

I mean yeah I want to support them, but not like this. It just feels like they don't value your support unless you are paying for it continuously

[inner cape]

devs either listen to well known creators or their canny 🤷‍♂️

and something is telling me this system they came up with was influenced by the ideas of those creators in one way or another

[rapid laurel]

They obviously don't because I know some well known creators who are completely against this who have been ignored. Also I'm pretty certain every well known creator wants optimization fixes before more features but we haven't gotten that either

perhaps they listen to a very selective few who they have chosen to like more than others.

[inner cape]

yes

[rapid laurel]

Can't say that for sure but that's what it sounds like. Every player should have a chance to give input anyways. not just a few individuals that do not at all represent the whole community

We as players are not represented nearly at all. I have made a small amount of content but, working with unity and blender is not my passion. Me playing this game should make me valuable not the amount of stuff i upload

Like i get wanting your content creators to have a say things sure but everyone else also needs a say. It alienates your playerbase acting like this.

[inner cape]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rapid laurel]

I want to love this game. I want to support it. I want to trust this team. I want them to succeed. But with what I see currently I can't love it, can't support these decisions, can't trust them, and I honestly do still hope they succeed but I don't have very high hopes if they treat their community like this.

[inner cape]

they devalue a lot of the community cause well, it is an awful one

[acoustic lagoon]

Paid vr chat with vr chat plus YAY!!

[rapid laurel]

I see your point, but it's fairly easy to see the people who are passionate about the game and want to help. It feels like they just don't want to.

[acoustic lagoon]

Crashers still trippin people out emmvrc giving the same features they now wanna charge for then they take the comunity mods make there version then charge for them XD

[rapid laurel]

Take the people who mod your game

[inner cape]

thats what the canny is for, if you put effort into a post and if people agree with it, it will get noticed

[rapid laurel]

and the people who use mods, ask them why they feel the need to do it. Ask what features they would like to see implemented into the core game. They are modding your game for a reason and then use that knowledge to better your game and at a certain point people won't feel the need to mod it anymore

its a pretty large amount of people at this point who feel as if they require mods to play the game. and it makes complete sense if you take the time to ask why instead of getting upset and banning them.

[acoustic lagoon]

modders improve things usually out of passion and usually dont take a dime for it look at all the past and present mods for the fallout series of games on nexus mods as an example

[inner cape]

thats a good point, but that would be a lot of features to implement, they already cant keep up with their own ideas, let alone communitys' ideas lul

[acoustic lagoon]

vrc has taken these peoples passion projects and aqre going to rip us off for them

[rapid laurel]

Honestly I would not mind that if they implemented them properly

giving credit to people who mod your game is cool however it rarely happens

[slate orchid]

I didn't completely understand, what exactly is going to change after this happens?

[acoustic lagoon]

for additional avatar slots for name plat changes and then more fetures down the line ive a feeling they will also remove current features and put those behind apaywall as well

[rapid laurel]

A ten dollar per month subscription for features that now include, an expanded avatar favorites list, a custom icon on your nameplate, and more to come i would assume.

[acoustic lagoon]

Its part of a quote (ongoing monitiseation process) according to the steam information

[rapid laurel]

I dont care how insignificant that seems, hiding those features behind a subscription is still the wrong way to go about things

[cunning void]

Im new here, what features are we talking about?

[hollow ingot]

+avatar favorite slots

[rapid laurel]

My argument is essentially subscriptions are bad, although there is possibly a right way to do them. making people pay for features AT ALL that they then lose when they stop paying is completely absurd (Yeah im lookin at you discord nitro)

[slate orchid]

more favourite avatar slots and a custom icon for your nameplate

[cunning void]

Oh, I see. I don't think thats so bad. But I can understand why people don't like it being behind a paywall. But how has the game been monetized so far?

[acoustic lagoon]

Jesus next thing it will be a timed paied thing like wow lol

[slate orchid]

I feel like for example they could've decided to make it a pay once and you'll get the extra avatar slots and the community wouldn't have been so mad

[west yoke]

Pretty much non existent, other than investments.

[slate orchid]

because even tho that's still not the best idea it's more fair to the people than having to constantly pay or lose what you had

[rapid laurel]

LOL okay cool, that was far from spam but whatever.

There is a right way to monetize this game but this isnt it and ill stick with that until the day they release it and i probably swap over to neosvr

[west yoke]

Then what is the "right way"

[acoustic lagoon]

Why not sell premium avatars to us

Or even services to get personilised avatars

[rapid laurel]

Talk with your community and find something they will agree on. Rather than blatantly ignoring your playerbase and making decisions without consulting with them first.

I can't tell you a right way because I don't have experience with this sort of thing but I do know that this doesn't sit right with me and many others. you can scroll back up in chat to see my other messages because at this point im just repeating myself

[slate orchid]

for example I've been wanting extra avatar slots for a long time just because that would help. and I'm happy that they finally gave us the opportunity to get those. but it still feels like they could've done so in a different way than a subscription

[vocal shard]

[inner cape]

everyone gets 25 slots with this update, no need to pay

but if you pay, you get 100

[rapid laurel]

alot of people are acting like this is a 'donation' which is not something it can be when you are receiving features for payment.

[golden scaffold]

On the contrary, we're not really interested in ignoring the playerbase. I can tell you from personal experience that we've got people on the team that read every single Canny post and we're very interested in your feedback, so feel free to post your thoughts here: https://feedback.vrchat.com/vrchat-plus-feedback (easier way for us to track than just posts on Discord or other harder to track mediums). VRChat Plus is in a very early stage and in Open Beta for many reasons, so don't hesitate to let us know what you think - whether it's positive or negative.

[acoustic lagoon]

they could even sell us exclusive servers where events are happening look at what fortnight has done with having live events you could hold a consert in vrc if done right

you could have it live over diffrent servers and instances

[candid ravine]

I mean, Look at Patreon. It's basically donating, but certain creators offer benefits and/or features for being a part of it.

[west yoke]

So that immediately makes Discord nitro and other similar services not a donation.
Most of the time it's thanking the user for supporting the service / game and to provide a incentive to continue support. Without any features with the sole purpose of it being donation people would not be very likely to support it.

[candid ravine]

Exactly ^

[rapid laurel]

correct they are not donations

[acoustic lagoon]

Hell they could make top notch simulator worlds and charge for those

[rapid laurel]

they are subscriptions to a service

[acoustic lagoon]

you buy it once and you get too keep the world ect

[hollow ingot]

Patreon is a no-go for me (a minority) that relies on Visa (or Mastercard) giftcards.

[acoustic lagoon]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1330785152205795329

[grizzled narwhal]

Hey guys I just got vrchat on my pc, what are the buttons I need to press to open my menu?

[candid ravine]

On keyboard? Esc.
In VR? No idea.

[grizzled narwhal]

I'm on my computer

[frosty veldt]

@rapid laurel Just a heads up if you swap to NeosVR they also have a subscription service that's more limiting than VRC+ 👍

[rapid laurel]

from what I'm seeing in their patreon it's pretty reasonable, paying for access to features before they are released is fine as long as they are released for everyone at some point

[frosty veldt]

It's more the limit on uploading space, it's a vital feature behind a paywall

[rapid laurel]

you get a pretty decent amount of space for free

like it's not perfect

[nimble crest]

escape and on vr for vive is the top button with the 3 lines and index it’s the top button too, not sure about oculus

[frosty veldt]

IIRC you only get 1gb if you don't pay. So at most you get 3-20 avatars depending mainly on texture quality and quantity

[rapid laurel]

but I don't feel like it limits you that much, especially when you consider how small avatar file sizes are (or atleast should be)

wtf avatars are you using that you could only have 3 of to total a gig

[west yoke]

You'd be surprised at how bad some people are at optimizing file sizes especially with textures

[frosty veldt]

Get some nice PBR 4k and you run out of room fast

I'm not saying it's optimal, but limits are limits

[rapid laurel]

well that's their own fault and forces them to optimize their avatars which I think is a decent benifit

I'm not saying vrchat should limit the amount of models you can upload but I think it would be reasonable to a limit on file size of a single model

something not too low ofc but also something that doesn't allow unreasonably high poly or 8k texture ridiculousness

[frosty veldt]

But why set limits on something as fundamental as uploading content? Surely it's better to do what VRC+ is doing and add small benefits instead of take things away?

[rapid laurel]

I never said make that a part of vrc plus

[west yoke]

I feel like limiting based on size instead of avatar count is worse though.
Because how many avatars someone can upload can easily vary from person to person with that system.

[rapid laurel]

that's a fair point

with 3.0 you could just make multiple models in the same avatar so it would essentially act as if you had multiple avatars but would only be one

now the performance would be awful but I wouldn't put it past people to try that (if someone hasn't already)

[west yoke]

People have condensed their avatars into one because of that (unfortunately)

[rapid laurel]

lmao I figured, people will always try to get around limitations

[frosty veldt]

If you merge models like that correctly then only thing that suffers should be load time as disabled items shouldn't effect performance

[rapid laurel]

still defeats the point of the avatar upload cap

[west yoke]

Is this VRChat we're talking about or Neos with 3.0?

[rapid laurel]

vrchat

[opal galleon]

im getting my quest 2 on december 🙂

[west yoke]

Because it doesn't matter that much with VRChat since the upload limit is practically infinite

[opal galleon]

ill finally be able to play vrchat on vr cuz i had psvr

[rapid laurel]

yeah it was just assuming they implemented a cap on number of avatars in vrc

[west yoke]

nah, only on favorited avatars

[rapid laurel]

ye

[frosty veldt]

I was just stating that VRC+ doesn't limit fundamentals of the program, unlike other social VR games, once VRC+ releases they'll all have a way to pay

[rapid laurel]

if you want to read my canny post I made you can

my accounts under the same name, it would just be annoying to repeat myself again. https://feedback.vrchat.com/vrchat-plus-feedback/p/general-feedback

[candid fiber]

I don't think a cap on ulload size is a good thing. But they should reduce de dedault cap to something like 25 mb idk instead of 200

[west yoke]

Oh god, you could've at least split it up a bit instead of making it a text wall

[rapid laurel]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I could still fix that with an edit and probably will

when you go to make a post you only get a little tiny box and I really couldn't see how it would be formatted before uploading it

[frosty veldt]

I do think that people should be able to choose if they want to display that they have VRC+. I also dislike subscription services but one time fees don't work for a service that has costs over time.

[rapid laurel]

that's why I suggested a subscription service that gets you access to features before release

yeah let me format that better that's hard to read

[candid fiber]

You mean broken feature :p

[rapid laurel]

slightly better formatting although it's still a lot to take in at once but that's just how it do be

[grand zenith]

So you requested to add the feature of testing new features beforehand

I wonder what #open-beta-info is for then

[rapid laurel]

it is currently an open beta, I'm saying put that behind a subscription and or make it where the new features are released a week or so early for vrchat+ users

it's just an idea dude like I said in my post I'm not the best person to come to for those ideas

[inner cape]

this is a long ass discussion youre having

how long has it been

over 2 hours

[rapid laurel]

who knows lol

[inner cape]

you must be really bored

[candid fiber]

Put beta behind a wall. That not wise

[unique warren]

how long do i have to play to be a friend

[rapid laurel]

well it's 7am and I haven't had a job since covid started so I have just about nothing to do

[vocal shard]

hello

[cold dome]

I cant wait for my decagear

[pastel folio]

@cold dome When are they shipping?

[cold dome]

May

[pastel folio]

Oh wow, thats sooner than I thought.

[grand zenith]

@rapid laurel I'm not flaming you or anything just trying to shed light on something that probably isn't a good idea. It'll be a lose lose situation. They have less people to test an already unstable update schedule. Don't forget the last update the broke soo many things. They've stated themselves that they did not have right amount of people to test internally or else those bugs would've had made it into the open beta. And you're going to get even more angry people if they have to pay to receive broken updates.

[pastel folio]

Ooh

Thats heated

[vocal shard]

can you lock fps on vrchat pc?

[pastel folio]

Yeah, you can use nvidia settings

[rapid laurel]

oh ye that's completely fair, I moved the idea to a comment and made sure people understood it that I'm not a good source for those ideas

[broken plover]

you can also use start arguments on steam to change the fps limit. its --fps=x (replace x with the new fps limit)

[vocal shard]

Yikes...

[worthy oracle]

[vocal shard]

They're not allowed to actually start making some money so the game doesn't die?
And in a pretty non intrusive and fully optional way?

[languid beacon]

Does discord have an issue with people using their nitro to make animated profile pictures that everyone else can’t do

[vocal shard]

https://i.imgur.com/AIJi7EN.png

[languid beacon]

Do people get bullied for having the discord nitro badge in their profiles

[proven perch]

Some do

[languid beacon]

Does anyone really care that my name is green

[viscid juniper]

why do people think vrchat plus is a bad thing?

[regal furnace]

because they only think about themself and dont care the main reason behind vrc+

[inland knot]

we need reactions back so i can weirdchamp that

[broken plover]

I've never seen someone get bullied for having discord nitro. So I don't see why someone would bully you for having vrc+

[viscid juniper]

tthe people that complain are the self same people that throw money to gacha's and cash shop in MMO's

[vocal shard]

???

The biggest complaint I've seen against VRC plus is from people who use modified clients, and break tos to get stuff similar to plus

[vocal shard]

U better look at my imgur link

[viscid juniper]

I can see that

[vocal shard]

Which.... Has always been a bannable offence

[inland knot]

If people wanna shittalk you for vrc+, they arent the type of person you wanna have not blocked anyway

im dumbfounded that no vrc disc staff has BD

[languid beacon]

I think I just naturally avoid contact with these hypothetical unreasonable people somehow 

[inland knot]

mimi nearly got me into trouble for reporting someone who kept posting nsfw, then deleting

[broken plover]

how can you even bully people for spending money. Like? "Oh look at you you can afford vrc+? What a looser. How dumb do you have to be to have money omg..." doesn't really make sense to me

[vocal shard]

because it's unnecessary stuff

[inland knot]

Its a quicker way to identify people youd normally block anyway

[viscid juniper]

I think its more of a why would you pay for that when you can have it for free kinda deal

[inland knot]

[languid beacon]

I enjoy the game, and the money is really nothing to me I don’t mind supporting something that I hope sticks around for a while

[inland knot]

Because the company is funded by hopes and dreams

People have no business knowledge, then try to have a discussion

[torpid mason]

Thats odd, most people i see who dislike it is mainly because the price is too high.

[amber juniper]

that's probably why they added VRC+ ;)

[viscid juniper]

while in retrospect you could see it as subing to a patreon to support someone but inthis case its not through patreon but directly throught them

[torpid mason]

and whatever increased trust is suppose to mean.

[inland knot]

r/whoosh top contributor

[viscid juniper]

if you can buy vr you probably have enough money laying around to subscribe aswell

[vocal shard]

Increased trust is fine and should be expected the way it actually works. It's just the wording that's terrible.

As for the price, it's likely due to the 30% cut that steam takes

Making the monthly payments only worth about $7 to vrchat, and the yearly payment only around $5 to vrchat a month

[languid beacon]

Yeah we’ve got people with like four different VR headsets and full body being asked why they’d spend money on a free game...

[amber juniper]

I think everybody who spent more than 200h in it should take it in to consideration, maybe even less... I paid more, for several games who didn't even lasted that long...

[inland knot]

im so sick of people discussing the same thing over and over again, bringing the same arguments and counters, just going in circles for the past week

[vocal shard]

I have like 1k hours and I will never get vrc+, even at a lower price

[viscid juniper]

I am allready capped on my trust 👀 so I woulnd even know what It would do for me

nor do I even understand the entire system

[inland knot]

im not gonna get it personally but idgaf about anyone who wants to support this game

[vocal shard]

paying each month to have more favourite slots and a badge ? no I'm good

[torpid mason]

But you can't expect users to calculate steam's cut in with the price, other games on steam don't charge extra either...

[inland knot]

if they want to, sure why not

[amber juniper]

paying each month to keep the servers alive, pay for bandwith and development, AND get some goodies?
because that's what it is

[vocal shard]

The trust is just a couple points towards the trust level. The exact same way you gain a couple points from adding friends or uploading world's. That's all it means

@amber juniper

[languid beacon]

A 5% subscription rate in a free game would be a moderate success. A 10% subscription rate would be a ideal. Based on their YouTube like ratio it’s about 30% positive. If that’s indicative of the amount of people who will subscribe, it will be insanely successful.

[inland knot]

@amber juniper this is the 2nd time youre missing something very blatant

are you intentionally this oblivious

[vocal shard]

And nobody should feel pressured to get it ^-^

[amber juniper]

well, than don't bring too much sarcasm in to a normal discussion, it doesn't help the discussion at all.

[inland knot]

svel can you PM me the brainlet emote

i need to copy it on my server

[torpid mason]

no one is, but also no one is pressured to buy a shitty burger from mcdonalds, but theres still people who get those too.

[languid beacon]

Most of the complaints I see is that it is too expensive or concerns that they will feel second rate if they don’t. but if that’s the case just don’t buy it you don’t really miss out. Anyone who acts superior because they have a picture on their name tag should get blocked anyway.

[viscid juniper]

10 dollars is to much to sub for vrchat plus let me waste it on a gacha and get bad pulls instead Kappa

[torpid mason]

That's exactly why vrc plus should not have any extra visually exposed features and the tag should be a free feature to anyone.

The 100 slots and such is fine, maybe some other ease of life features, but nothing that shows other people that you're a paying user.

[languid beacon]

I wouldn’t have a problem if anyone could just like put emojis as their icon and VRC+ can do custom pictures. I’d still sub 

[vocal shard]

I'll likely get it. But I don't think il use the nameplate icon. Nothing really to put on there other than my avatar face... Which is kinda redundant. Not part of any clans or whatever

[jaunty summit]

Is VRChat having issues? Keep black screening and non responding..

[torpid mason]

At minimum i think you should at least ahve the ability to take a "selfie" and have that as an icon if they really wanna have custom icons as a paid feature.

[torpid mason]

When are they not lol

[languid beacon]

If you can do a selfie you can do custom icons, the two are kind of the same thing

[jaunty summit]

true lol

[torpid mason]

Aight, thats true to those who are clever enough to upload avatars with pics. but the majority of the people wont.

[languid beacon]

Let me reorder and organize my own uploads into categories and you’ve got yourself a subscriber for life

[torpid mason]

Regardless, it should be a free feature.

[inland knot]

@jaunty summit are you playing in public lobbies

[jaunty summit]

yeah @inland knot

[torpid mason]

YES, these are the type of features vrc+ should give. Things that make things easier for you.

[inland knot]

you might just be getting crashed by someone

[torpid mason]

but not visually show others that you have vrc+

[languid beacon]

I think VRC should be paid for their work but that’s just me

[jaunty summit]

I have all avatars hidden by default

[languid beacon]

@torpid mason do you have an issue with animated discord profile pictures?

Does it bother you that my name is green? I’m paying for it, after all.

[inland knot]

from a business point of view, keeping it free and giving the option of a subscription that is mostly just marketed as helping the game with small benefits, its a very good strategy

[languid beacon]

I think you are making a big deal out of nothing. No one cares what other people do with their money

[inland knot]

hoes just mad bc spoiled children

[torpid mason]

Discord is different. Generally everyone is on the same level on discord and there's no hate towards nitro users and free users. But that's because discord hasn't really emberessed themselves all too much. I've had nitro for a long time too.

[formal dove]

Are we still talking about the subscription thing, it's almost been a week, it doesn't change anything, your not forced to do it, it gives zero edge in trusted ability for uploads and rank so...

[inland knot]

doesnt stop crashers

sadly people are still not over it, no

[languid beacon]

That’s like saying full body shouldn’t be supported because it’s not fair to the people that didn’t buy it and they shouldn’t be able to show off

[torpid mason]

The difference with vrchat is that they haven't really been trustworthy to their users, ironically when they're trying to sell increase trust.

[inland knot]

they keep going in circles, bringing up the same shit and getting the same answers

[viscid juniper]

I have had moments where they crash an entire server you coudl move around but anyone els would be frozen and you can still talk lol

[torpid mason]

Full body is a thirdparty thing.

[formal dove]

Just get over it, it's happening, it's not like your ability to play is being taken away and your being forced to sub to the game to play, it's an optional, it's still free to play

[torpid mason]

with that logic you can say the same to normal vr users compared to desktop users.

[languid beacon]

You shouldn’t be able to tell that other people have purchased a VR because it’s not fair to those that don’t have it 

[inland knot]

who are you saying that to

[viscid juniper]

I think full body is a waste of money if you are just gonna lay around

[torpid mason]

Yeah, again, stupid logic.

[formal dove]

Everyone complaining

[inland knot]

noone here is complaining

[languid beacon]

Oh I’m not making actual arguments I’m just showing how silly it is to have a problem with paid icons

[vocal shard]

Hi guys, just joined the server (also just installed vrchat btw)

[torpid mason]

The reason why I am saying vrc+ shouldnt be something that is publicly visible to anyone is because we already saw a split of people when user ranks where introduced.

[inland knot]

ok

[formal dove]

Oh there's people complaining a ton, iv been watching the chat here for a while, it's the same in all my other discords, and it's just getting old fast xD

[inland knot]

noone here, at this moment, is complaining

[languid beacon]

VRchat is the absolute definition of showing off the money you paid. Icons are nothing new. People have been showing off their VR mocap from the start

[viscid juniper]

do people really discriminate based on rank?

[torpid mason]

And still is. Alot of people have visitors turned off in both voice and avatar, i know alot of people who do the name to new users, and then there's the hate towards trusted users too.

[inland knot]

so youre talking to an audience that is not present right now, getting washed away by chat

[torpid mason]

100%

[minor birch]

anyone knows any good cheap vr set that's less than 500$?

[viscid juniper]

I Rarely seen that

[inland knot]

I do, i discriminate legendary users @glossy wharf

[languid beacon]

No. Maybe some kids do but no one worth interacting with.

[glossy wharf]

@inland knot Sorry i only talk to legendary users, who are you?

[inland knot]

you still have the double i lmfao

[formal dove]

From what I have seen , I have not personally seen this, maybe 10% of the instance base I'm in, but most are friendly despite ranks, they mean nothing really

[viscid juniper]

lol

[glossy wharf]

"i have not personally seen this, except in 1/10 cases"

[torpid mason]

That's different. The thinsg they paid for such as vr and full body isn't limited to vrchat. This is like saying because i got a mechanical keyboard it's unfair to other people who i play overwatch with. Which is a dumb argument

[glossy wharf]

Man this discord never ceases to be good

[inland knot]

bro thats shit was so retarded im about to respond in another language

[languid beacon]

I saw rank-based discrimination one day after ranks were added. I blocked them, and then never saw it again. That was 2 years ago.

[glossy wharf]

FUCK OFF

[inland knot]

привет, меня зовут Туппер и добро пожаловать в

[viscid juniper]

there are people that do use there fullbody as a status by laying in there bed in mid air

[glossy wharf]

Kero i hate you so much

[pale quail]

Vive tracking pucks only have other uses in theory.

[formal dove]

Even public instances people's are chill, no rank talk except notifying people about uploads at new user status and general information if asked.

[glossy wharf]

Kero if i put that into google translate and its what i think it is im blocking you

[torpid mason]

It's still present, people just avoid non-friends or other ranks completely by having private or friends+ lobbies only.

[pale quail]

That's been my experience in public all the time. Nobody really cares too much about rank.

[torpid mason]

Feet saber is a thing.

[pale quail]

Yeah but that's still in theory.

[glossy wharf]

fuck you lmao

[inland knot]

LMAO

[torpid mason]

When I said thing, i don't mean theory.

[inland knot]

i had to remember the kyrillic keyboard settings

[languid beacon]

What I’ve seen is that how things play out in game and how things play out on the Discord are very different. People care about ranks more on discord but in game people are far more normal.

[pale quail]

Feet saber is a joke. Find me somebody who uses vive pucks for non-vrchat more than 10% of the time.

[inland knot]

so i just used a virtual keyboard

[glossy wharf]

I use them for motion capture

[formal dove]

Generally have no issue with the VR chat community, only when playing games some people get salty if they don't win, but that's even in real life so

[pale quail]

Actually streaming is legit.

[torpid mason]

Have you looked outside of the furry community ingame though?

[glossy wharf]

LOL

[inland knot]

i use them for my vtuber youtube channel

[glossy wharf]

ok calm down wishes

[languid beacon]

there are other vr games?

[inland knot]

LMFAOO

[torpid mason]

Which part of the community, cuz we have like 5 groups split.

[formal dove]

All the time, furries, non furries, all just people

[glossy wharf]

yeah lets not generalize like that

[inland knot]

[viscid juniper]

none furries are digusting

[languid beacon]

Confirm

[torpid mason]

and having to pull cat hair off your dick all the time isn't.

[viscid juniper]

they run around in naked avatars and shake there asses in your face

[inland knot]

is it "None, furries are disgusting" or "None of the furries are disgusting"

[glossy wharf]

all furry avatars are basically naked so, checkmate atheists

[torpid mason]

Comma's are important lmao

[viscid juniper]

but they arnt being NSFW

[inland knot]

Well, anyway you guys should drop the discussion or you will get struck down

[formal dove]

I won't single out based on community, I care about everyone I talk to, and if it's an individual being an issue, then that's thier perogative

[glossy wharf]

idk i wouldnt want my boss see me look at anthro shit, p nsfw personally

[grand zenith]

So what has this conversation turned into.

[inland knot]

by our one and only saviour jamie

[torpid mason]

depends on your definition of nsfw, anything fur related to me is a pretty hard nsfw for me.

[inland knot]

VRC+ -> FBT -> Furries
The vrchat discord special

[glossy wharf]

what this person is saying, nsfw doesnt mean tits out, can mean anything you wouldnt wanna look at at work

[grand zenith]

Fair

[torpid mason]

Big true.

[inland knot]

nsfw in its literal meaning, not safe for work

[grand zenith]

@glossy wharf not about wanting to to look at it, nor can or cannot look at it more of a shouldn't look at it.

[viscid juniper]

why would furry stuff be not safe for work xD

[formal dove]

I use full body, but just for walking around normally, or just sitting on the floor so I'm a friend's height to talk to them, and for beatsaber streaming.

[torpid mason]

https://tenor.com/view/ritsu-k-on-anime-bed-sleepy-gif-8871039

[glossy wharf]

It can be a want aswell

[grand zenith]

Something you shouldn't do at work has nothing to do with the other 2

[cold talon]

but wait, you dont want to look at me, does that mean im not sfw 😔

[glossy wharf]

bahka i look at you all day and night

[torpid mason]

that gif can be considered nsfw

[inland knot]

😳

[cold talon]

awww, kinda creepy, but awww

[grand zenith]

Ah fuck this chat is going to turn into people trying to judge and decide what is normal or not. Welp

[glossy wharf]

Ur in a vrchat discord no one here is normal

[broken plover]

standing on your office chair is not safe for work

[grand zenith]

You saying that is setting a mormal.

[inland knot]

meliodas just jump into my DMs then 😳

[glossy wharf]

kero shut up

[grand zenith]

Normal* nobody decides what is normal or not because can

[glossy wharf]

nah i decide it, im the ceo of normal

[proper pollen]

Has a white triangle symbol ever appeared on anyone’s screen before

[inland knot]

brings up screenshots

[grand zenith]

And you're one of the issues in society lol.

[cold talon]

welp fair enough, sai is now the new ceo of normal 📝

[glossy wharf]

Nah, issues in society arent normal, me as the ceo of normal has decided that ur wrong

[median atlas]

am i the pnly one that has problems joining some instances

[inland knot]

Hey girl
um
did you know that
we do, in fact
live in a society

[proper pollen]

How do you get rid of the white triangle symbol that appears in the middle of your screen

[glossy wharf]

take off the headset

[languid beacon]

But... but... https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553443866301300756/780469855404949514/image0.png

[glossy wharf]

im not gonna open that shit at work

[proper pollen]

I am talking about on a computer screen

[torpid mason]

That's still not normal, unless you live in a pixar or disney movie.

[unreal cargo]

does anybody wanna play vr chat

[glossy wharf]

No

[proper pollen]

I can’t right now

[inland knot]

LMFAO

[proper pollen]

How many hours and friends do you need to become a known user

[glossy wharf]

more than 1

[proper pollen]

No duh

[broken plover]

atleast 2

[glossy wharf]

Its a completely random variable, it depends on how much you interact with people, get muted, blocked, who ur friends with, who they are friends with and so on

usually it takes 24-48 hours but it can take up to a few days, if you actively play that is.

[languid beacon]

If you only want blue you can get it in a few hours if you do the right stuff

[glossy wharf]

Just buy vrchat plus tbh

[languid beacon]

It’s not really time based. People say it’s achievement based

But for what it’s worth I got known at 152 hr and none of that was idle time

[glossy wharf]

im legendary at 2.4k hours and 100+ avis + 6 worlds

[languid beacon]

I’m trusted because that’s the highest rank and there is no such thing as legendary

[glossy wharf]

there v much is, its just an api rank

[languid beacon]

Can’t see it doesn’t exist

[glossy wharf]

weirdchamping

[vocal shard]

Im a master legendary rank but no one can see it

[glossy wharf]

i hope they actually introduce those as ranks at some point

[proper pollen]

Thanks guys I was just wondering cause I am a user and I didn’t know exactly how many hours or friends I needed to get known user

[glossy wharf]

i cant stand the white color kero

[languid beacon]

They are going on the opposite direction and downplaying the ranks. Wouldn’t be surprised if they are removed entirely at some point

I hope so

[inland knot]

now you can feel superior and act as such

[glossy wharf]

I mean it still has the ranks no?

the new nameplate just doesnt show them like that anymore

[languid beacon]

They are there but you can only see them when quick menu is open

[glossy wharf]

yea thats a good take on it

[languid beacon]

Personally I’d just hide them on the detail page. Make them intentionally annoying to look up.

[torpid mason]

same, but more avatars.

[glossy wharf]

I deleted a ton of avis that were comms else that number would be much higher aswell

[torpid mason]

Open logs for vrchat

[inland knot]

but do you get shittalked by leyley, i dont think so

[glossy wharf]

fuck off kero

[torpid mason]

If you open up logs my user rank shows up as "Legendary user"

[inland knot]

[glossy wharf]

whats ur ingame name hen?

[inland knot]

awkward silence.

[torpid mason]

nhentai.net

[glossy wharf]

for fucks sake

[torpid mason]

wat

[inland knot]

[glossy wharf]

not surprised at all

[languid beacon]

I don’t know what my api rank is because it’s meaningless

[glossy wharf]

its not though

[inland knot]

smh talk to me when you have new user 😎

[glossy wharf]

it shows you how much shit you can do before u go orange

[inland knot]

imagine being orange

[languid beacon]

That message got deleted fast

[inland knot]

nearly posted a frog there

[burnt sapphire]

Imagine being purple o wait fuck

[torpid mason]

imagine having a steam username.

[inland knot]

damn ur cool

[glossy wharf]

gweiss known cringe

[burnt sapphire]

Lol I did that on purpose

[white latch]

I don't wanna be purple aAaa

[inland knot]

lollollo le epic comedy xdddddddd

[burnt sapphire]

I don't either

[inland knot]

if only they implemented a method to not be displayed as such

[glossy wharf]

Sry if ur orange or below i dont wanna see you

[inland knot]

💅

[white latch]

you say that like I'm a idiot

[vocal shard]

imagine not blocking everything under purple
I only talk to elites

[glossy wharf]

kinda cringe ngl, see svel knows

[languid beacon]

I set myself as green

[vocal shard]

blocked

[inland knot]

what a trooper

[glossy wharf]

blocked

[burnt sapphire]

Lol so purple thot's I forgot existed in the game. I always set myself as green as well

[vocal shard]

already blocked because furry but you know, blocked 2 times for good measure

[torpid mason]

I would set myself as green as i dont care about ranks, but the sad fact is that alot of people dont have your avatar fully shown then

[inland knot]

godzilla had a stroke trying to read that and fucking died

[languid beacon]

You fool. That unblocks me

[mild juniper]

is there a way to see your rank on the vrchat website

[burnt sapphire]

I know my English atm Is shit cuz I'm a bit drunk

[white latch]

Same, tbh I hate it cause I do kinda like the purple nameplate it's just all the negative connotation that people get from it sometimes.

[torpid mason]

I even made a system on my 3.0 avatar that shows a plane with the text "Animator is not running, menu > show avatar" so people load in my avatar properly

[inland knot]

drunk on monday?

[burnt sapphire]

Yep

[glossy wharf]

dw i can assure you most people will have everything off for non friends except the basic avatar without shaders

[burnt sapphire]

I'm leaving for arkansas tomorrow cuz some dumbass fucked up my work down there

[inland knot]

ok

[vocal shard]

no we can't, we aren't technologically evolved enough to have that

[torpid mason]

no, not really, by default vrchat has everything on for trusted. only those who fidgeted around with safety have it different.

[languid beacon]

I really should check my fallback shaders I haven’t for a while

[inland knot]

no, that feature will come in summer 2021

[mild juniper]

weird

[vocal shard]

gotta wait for vrc++ to have that feature

[languid beacon]

Always use fallback shaders that make you solid green/purple. It’s like a cheat code to make everyone show your avatar anyways

[mild juniper]

i would have thought that would be a feature on the website

[inland knot]

[burnt sapphire]

When vrc ++ comes out it will be 200$ to use it for 2 days

[inland knot]

i usually just hide peoples avatar then

[glossy wharf]

yeah dw theres a lot of features that you'd expect to be a thing

[torpid mason]

you have to rememebr we're talking about a company that had to hire someone from unity, one person, to do the upgrade from unity 2017 to 2018

[inland knot]

also that fat bubble over the name to jumpscare people

[mild juniper]

huh

[languid beacon]

If people gonna block my shaders imma make sure it looks dumb

[inland knot]

yeah but why

[glossy wharf]

dw im p sure theyll block your entire furry avatar

[torpid mason]

KEK

[inland knot]

that just sounds insecure, i dont get why

[languid beacon]

I’d rather it be not seen than seen wrong

[inland knot]

your avatar should probably work without any shaders or custom animations

[torpid mason]

angry crying emoji

[languid beacon]

It could

[potent fern]

I dont know man, I tend to stay away from those full purple/green one cause whenever I show them I can be sure half my screen is gonna be effects. (especially if its a Dragon ball character)

[inland knot]

[torpid mason]

thanks babe

[glossy wharf]

wait i can use custom emotes here with nitro boost

[inland knot]

[vocal shard]

[languid beacon]

[inland knot]

new gweiss emotes are gonna be pog af

[glossy wharf]

oh no no no no no

[amber juniper]

<.<

[torpid mason]

Now the chat went from furries to spamming emojis

[languid beacon]

I’m just joking I go out of my way to make sure my avatar features work without shaders or even custom animations

[glossy wharf]

id say thats a good turn of events

[inland knot]

[vocal shard]

agreed

[inland knot]

great now it died and i have to be productive

god fucking damn it

[torpid mason]

imb4 we're gonna combine the 2 last topics and spam furry emojis

also, my nose is bleeding.

[inland knot]

weak

[torpid mason]

I'm allergic to furries.

[inland knot]

allergies do not induce capillary bursts in your nose

[torpid mason]

They can if it makes you sneeze too much and therefore damage your veins.

[inland knot]

thats a bit of a stretch

[torpid mason]

But not unlikely.

[unreal verge]

Phantom Touch is nice, took a long time to develop it lol

[torpid mason]

Wait till you get stabbed.

[unreal verge]

Nah i don't have it that strong lol

[torpid mason]

Then you dont have it at all.

[unreal verge]

I only feel it on my head, at least currently

[languid beacon]

No one feels pain from phantom touch. If they do they are faking.

[torpid mason]

That's asmr, not phantom touch.

[languid beacon]

ASMR is triggered by audio. It’s right in the name.

[torpid mason]

Can be visually triggered too.

[inland knot]

are you dumb

or just doubling down on a mistake

[languid beacon]

Nah he’s right

[torpid mason]

There's light trigger asmr videos out there. I don't make mistakes.

[languid beacon]

I thought it stands for Audio, it stands for Autonomous

However the more technical name for phantom touch would be Mirror-touch synesthesia, not ASMR (Autonomous sensory meridian response). They are two different things.

Both give tingles though

[inland knot]

theres a lot of asmr videos out there, i cant find any actual documentation of visual asmr

[torpid mason]

I was referring to what he said, facial trigger he said, which is more likely to be asmr rather then phondom touch.

[inland knot]

only people on reddit saying "yes i look at video and feel good :)"

[torpid mason]

porn does that too for me.

[languid beacon]

ASMR as a youtube ... phenomenon is very commonly audio based yes

[inland knot]

hilarious bro

[torpid mason]

thanks.

[inland knot]

actually, <@&397642795457970181>

[torpid mason]

Sure, but there's plenty of hand movement and such videos.

Which are more visually based then anything else

[languid beacon]

It’s hard to say because I get phantom touch like crazy, but ASMR videos do nothing for me if I turn the volume off

[torpid mason]

You gotta stop coming up with these inlogical comparisons

[languid beacon]

Could you elaborate

[inland knot]

inlogical
"i never do mistakes"
Checkmate atheist

[torpid mason]

You tried comparing discord to vrchat.

[inland knot]

[languid beacon]

You have made an irrefutable argument and I admit that I am incorrect. You have officially won this argument.

[unreal verge]

Well idk, but i heard about that mirror touch thing too and i only get this if i see someone touching my head if i look into a mirror

[torpid mason]

mirror touch actually has nothing to do with mirrors lol

[languid beacon]

Not inherently but the mirror is the same as seeing another person being touched

Except more powerful because you know on a intellectual level that it represents you, so you are even more likely to mirror its perception

[inland knot]

[languid beacon]

It seems in vr seeing yourself get poked in a mirror is strong enough for even people who don’t normally get synesthesia to feel its effects

[unreal verge]

Whatever it is, i like that feeling

[languid beacon]

It also tends to be more exaggerated in people that have otherwise been starved for physical attention. 🤔

[hollow ingot]

😓

[unreal verge]

Uh oh

[scenic patrol]

Is vrchat having problems rn or is it just me? I keep getting stuck "initializing world".

[glossy wharf]

Butter dog

[inland knot]

[vocal shard]

when i try to join the black cat i go to the loading screen and then it just turns black and dosent load anything

help

[red bobcat]

it does the same for meroom summer solitude midnight rooftop

prob a bug

[coarse pier]

same for murder 2

[leaden tapir]

You said the m word

This game is 13 and plus. As a Karen I don't allow you to normalize murder

[nova canyon]

Karen spotted

[leaden tapir]

Don't make me complain to your manager

[nova canyon]

anyways yeah. don't say the m word. Only real gamers play among us

[leaden tapir]

Oops

[nova canyon]

"so what would you like to talk about?" "VRChat Plus being a bad subscription service... again."

not saying I like it either but I just wanna make 3d beetles for god sake instead of complaining all day

[vocal shard]

vrc+ is too expensive
isn't worth it
paywalling features is bad pratice
what about the 10 trillions that they got from htc ?
why not fix the bugs first before making a pay to win system ?

there, I did the work for y'all

[nova canyon]

honestly though 25 fav slots is enough for me

I can definitely live with that over 16

[sweet solstice]

hi, whats a good cheap vr to get for vrchat

[vocal shard]

quest 2 with link I guess

[alpine wraith]

anyone else experiencing crashing in vrchat whenever they change worlds currently?

[nova canyon]

I only use the standalone version of vrchat if I ever go on vacations, other than that it's pretty good

[alpine wraith]

im using a rift s

[leaden tapir]

Im using my cat

[white latch]

shrug Maybe try clearing your download cache? Did you go into the open beta and then switch back to live by any chance?

If you've been in the open beta and switched back there's a few issues, I had to reinstall the game entirely.

[lilac glade]

hallo

[languid beacon]

Their Amazon bill can’t be cheap. For a game that has a profit margin of zero dollars, you can’t live off of venture funding. People forget that those companies expect to be paid their money back.

“VRC is helping push hardware” yeah but not Vive’s.

I mean maybe vrc makes money in ways I don’t know about if so please tell me

[vocal shard]

private vrc sessions with devs

[inner cape]

[exotic steeple]

i get that too. either that, or nobody loads when i get into a world. my cache is cleared all the time

[pseudo basalt]

enterprise resource planning with tupper

[inner cape]

[pallid wraith]

is the game borked today? lots of crashed

[umbral reef]

Odds are they make some money from the events that get pushed within VRC from bigger companies
But its not keeping the doors open or pleasing the investors happy

[hallow swan]

i'm getting my first vr headset today! im so excited ;w;

[languid beacon]

Congrats! Welcome to the future

[white latch]

Woot woot!

[inner cape]

my condolences

[vocal shard]

🙏

[white latch]

"Here's a magic artifact that deletes your real life and replaces it with 5k hours in VRChat"

[languid beacon]

I am truely sorry for your lots. My parry are with his trilden

[buoyant bloom]

i bought a headset but i can’t use it until im done my exams 💔

[languid beacon]

Oh right it’s november

[white latch]

Yikes

[languid beacon]

After college time just becomes sort of a whatever

[white latch]

When I got my headset my dad was setting it up for me and when I said my computer doesn't have Bluetooth he said it's fine.

Anyway the controllers wouldn't connect and he had to go buy a Bluetooth dongle

[buoyant bloom]

damn

[languid beacon]

Which headset?

[broken plover]

let me guess, its a windows mixed reality headset?

[buoyant bloom]

my computer can’t handle it so im going to hijack my brothers i think

[sacred coral]

beware
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406725428783349760/780508948523778057/image0-2.png

[languid beacon]

Vive/index/oculus don’t need your pc to have its own Bluetooth support

[white latch]

Yeah. It was like 100-200$ off

[buoyant bloom]

is the old vive still good

[languid beacon]

Eh.

It’s pretty low resolution

[buoyant bloom]

damn

[broken plover]

only good thing about is that it uses lighthouse tracking
if it wouldnt use that it would be complete garbage lol

[vocal shard]

and upgrading and it wont break down

[languid beacon]

Yeah tracking is great. Resolution is passable but not good. Controllers are as bad as they get comfort wise

[broken plover]

controllers depends. Some people like them, some don't. I'm one of those people that think that theyre ok

[languid beacon]

For VRChat I think they are the most non-immersive controllers since they don’t even attempt to match your hand poses

[buoyant bloom]

oh well too late now

[broken plover]

but because of that theyre the easiest controllers if you work with alot of animations on your avatars. You just touch it on the gesture you need and then with vive advanced controls you write that animation on the triggers and then just hold that to do the animation. With oculus touch you have to keep your hands in a specific pose which isn't that comfortable if you do it for a bit longer

[buoyant bloom]

oh ok that’s good then bc I’ve never had one before

[river meadow]

is anyone else having trouble loading into worlds?..

[white latch]

Servers are probably having a heart attack rn

[meager rose]

I was crashing like, a lot, last time I played. Hadn't encountered that until two days ago

[vocal shard]

yo

[coral jacinth]

does anyone do commisions for vrchat my friend needs an avatar?

[broken plover]

check the vrc-traders discord in #community-servers-old

[coral jacinth]

ok thanks

[ruby needle]

https://ask.vrchat.com/c/commissions

[stray echo]

anyone else struggle with internet provider monthly data caps and VRC? Looks like im going over our monthly limit. >_<

[weak musk]

What would you say is the Best PC that would work for a full body VR In VR Chat an won’t lag a lot?
Edit:
A good pre-build so I can add my own parts

[inner cape]

beefy cpu should be your priority

with an adequate vr capable gpu

[abstract sinew]

at least ryzen 7 or i7

[weak musk]

Thanks! :)

[abstract sinew]

you can leave some leeway with the gpu (1660ti is fine)

[broken plover]

ryzen 5 or i5 will be good enough. If not better. Because single core performance is pretty important. It doesnt use more cores than the ryzen 5 and i5 have so you don't have a reason to get more than that really.

[winter sierra]

Honestly I7 with 1060 is fine as well

you may get some frame drops but thats what I use and I am not complaining

[inner cape]

vrc will lag no matter what if you go to populated worlds a lot*

[winter sierra]

True

[abstract sinew]

void club gets me like 20-40fps whenever i go there

[inner cape]

🤢

[abstract sinew]

r5 3600 and rx590 but i dont mind, my vr legs are pretty good

[winter sierra]

Expect to see a lot of awful avatars in Void Club

[abstract sinew]

too much edgy e-boys/e-girls in void club

[weak musk]

My current PC is shit an can’t even do VR with it, plus it’s old so I’m planning on just getting a already Pre-build than add parts instead of trying to get the old one to work

[winter sierra]

Did you benchmarked your pc to see if its VR compatible?

[weak musk]

I tried it’s not

[broken plover]

building your own pc is cheaper, and its not as hard as it may sound

[winter sierra]

When I did it, I got excellent score and said: "VR Ready"

[weak musk]

I have no idea how to build my own
From scratch that is

[winter sierra]

Idk, I use pre-build pc thats around $1000 and works perfectly fine and does run in vr too

[weak musk]

What one?

[winter sierra]

It's a custom one, not branded

[weak musk]

Ahh

[winter sierra]

But I can tell you the components. I7-8700, 16 Gb RAM, GTX 1060

[broken plover]

the specs are fine, but I wouldnt get them for a new pc nowadays. Theyre kinda outdated

[weak musk]

Thanks,

[winter sierra]

I would say "getting" outdated

[weak musk]

Yeah

[winter sierra]

Maybe a better graphics card would be good

[broken plover]

I would go something along the lines of i7-9700k or i7 10700k and something like a 1660 super or even a 2060 (maybe 2060 super if you got the money)

[inner cape]

maybe if you told them yer budget they would've been able to be more specific

[vocal shard]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fLwbXb

[weak musk]

@inner cape I don’t have a budget

[vocal shard]

you don't ? oh boy I got something for you

[inner cape]

infinite money glitch?

[white latch]

NASA supercomputer it is then

[vocal shard]

here, enjoy https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nyJMnL

[broken plover]

or get i9 10900k with 64GB ram and rtx 3090

[weak musk]

Wow, I thought it would be more expensive like 2-3K

1-2K not bad

[vocal shard]

overkill is useless

what I gave you will allow you to play basically any game at 144fps 4k

you are good to go for a few years with a computer like that

(that computer is basically what I have)

[hollow ingot]

I wish for an AMD version of that with 56oox

[grand zenith]

People still advising Intel builds xd

Plus overkill ain't useless if you got the budget I'd say think ahead, future proof yourself

[vocal shard]

"future proof"

[weak musk]

Lmaoo

[vocal shard]

in 2-3 years that build will be replaced by new stuff that will also be overkill to get

[celest flower]

why are nameplate icons locked behind a pay wall?

[vocal shard]

and we will still get people saying "lmao get the latest to future proof your PC"

[hollow ingot]

💸

[vocal shard]

because they need money and it's just a badge that doesn't change anything to the vrchat core experience

[weak musk]

Haha yeah, I just have no idea how to assemble one

[celest flower]

luckily i was able to get vrc+ for free

[inner cape]

everyone on the beta gets it for free

for obvious reasons

[languid beacon]

You don’t get to keep it... you keep it for free until the beta is over.

[inner cape]

yes

[celest flower]

damn

[vocal shard]

you can still test it and see if you really need those 64 badges and 100 favourite slots

[languid beacon]

18/64 badges. Still only at 6 favorites

[grim breach]

when do I get to upload avatars?

[inner cape]

when you reach the rank new user

[grim breach]

okay

[inner cape]

on a vrchat account

[flat trench]

Can I get 3 people who are reliable for videos on youtube?

just message me

[ruby needle]

§15. No posting the same question or statement across multiple channels.

[flat trench]

I apologize Fpaul

[sharp blade]

How come I can't find the streaming camera

[ruby needle]

Are you using VR?

[sharp blade]

Aha, I was setting it up in desktop. I'll switch thanks

[brazen wagon]

slow mode test

oh u can actually se the timer if u hover over the clock

[languid beacon]

What is that fancy S symbol called and where is it on my keyboard

[lusty briar]

§

[white latch]

On mobile(iOS) hold down the ampersand(&) and its there. On keyboard you have to do some ALT code, search it up.

[languid beacon]

thank§

[sharp saddle]

Section.

I thought it was a fancy currency symbol at first.

[languid beacon]

I thought it was those funky S’s you draw in elementary school

[sharp saddle]

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.582391399.9382/flat,128x,075,f-pad,128x128,f8f8f8.u2.jpg

Heck. Forgot images don't get embedded.

[white bobcat]

Does beta explain how we need to format and upload pictures for vrchat+, is it through unity?

[ruby needle]

You use the website.

[white bobcat]

Thank you very much.

[digital sable]

If I publish a map, I can edit it after?

someones know?

it because I want to publish a map with all of avatars I use to save them, but idk if I can edit after to put more avatars

[languid beacon]

Yeah. You just make your changes and upload it again.

[digital sable]

ok, ty

[languid beacon]

Before you upload something, there is a component called pipeline manager and it’s blank. After you upload it, it fills in with the world’s ID so uploading it will replace the old world instead of uploading a second one. If you erase the Id to make to blank then it will upload a second copy instead of replacing it. Up to you which one you want

[digital sable]

so I have to delete the older and upload the new?

[languid beacon]

No.

If you delete it, you won’t be able to update it. You’ll have to wait and resubmit the new copy to labs 

[digital sable]

ok

i get it, thanks

[vocal shard]

Hi i'm new too VR Chat I just Started on PC

[sage venture]

hey

[sharp saddle]

Welcome.

[sage venture]

I'm getting VR 'chat in Christmas

[sharp saddle]

Why wait till Christmas? o_O Get the client now.

[sage venture]

Well...... My Parents won't buy a $400 Oculus Quest 2 right now

[noble ginkgo]

Hey everyone!

[sage venture]

Hello!