vrchat-general-2

[ripe hornet]

introducing the new tier, "No", if your avatar is from MMD it gets blocked from anyone else that doesn't have a "No" ranked avi

[languid beacon]

Excellent, Good, Medium, Poor, VeryPoor, Horrible, No

[dusty berry]

@ruby needle is there a limit to how many threads VRChat utilizes? 24? 32? i'm currently using a Ryzen 5 2600 (6c/12t) and RTX 2060. Ever since the April 1 update, when loading a new world everything is a stuttery mess as avatars load slowly. the CPU seems to be taxed a lot. overall framerates have plummeted. i've had similar problems happen on a Ryzen 5 3600 and GTX 1650 Super.

[coarse grove]

i found out my favorite avatar is actually ranked very poor and am now searching for a new one 🙃

[worthy oracle]

vrchat has terrible multithread optimization

it only uses like one core of our cpus lol

[ripe hornet]

Yea I was about to mention

[dusty berry]

hasn't looked that way to me. seems like it uses a lot of my 12 threads when worlds and avatars are initially loading in

[ripe hornet]

though idk how much i blame the devs for it since a lot of games seem to have no clue how to use more than -1 core lmao

[worthy oracle]

when things are first loading in you get the most lag, but it seriously hardly utilizes threads @dusty berry

if it did lag wouldn’t be as severe in general, the game would be quite noticeably better

[dusty berry]

it didn't lag like this before 2020.1.1 release tho :/

[worthy oracle]

true I guess but if it’s a triple A title it definitely does 90% of the time

[umbral reef]

Blame unity and shitty made avatars
Dynamic bones and colliders slow down all other systems because unity only goes as fast as the lowest part.
And as dynamic bones get heaped on the main core to function, it slows stuff down.

[worthy oracle]

idk I haven’t noticed more lag, VRChat always lags

[worthy oracle]

well this is true. and older versions of unity are less optimized, if we ran on 2020 LTS it would be better. avatars are poorly optimized but the game itself can have multiple changes I believe to optimize it better

[dusty berry]

i'll be upgrading to a 3700x for editing. doubt it'll improve vrchat stutters but who knows.

[worthy oracle]

but I doubt those things will happen, some issues are deeply rooted in the code

[worthy oracle]

dude you can have the fastest cpu and an rtx 3090 and you will still lag on VRChat like everyone else. it’s the game, not your pc.

[dusty berry]

i understand. the lag has gotten so much worse though. :/

[umbral reef]

For sure, there are plenty they can do. But like 70% is to blame on users

[worthy oracle]

D:

fair enough. I just think full lobbies the game should be optimized enough for a mid end pc to be able to avg at least 40 frames

[thorny aspen]

Sometimes full lobby of optimized avis still lags

[coarse grove]

yeah, performance kind of dies in larger lobbies

[worthy oracle]

our standards are so low too like idek. low frames are so uncomfortable in VR yet we are used to it cause of this game

[thorny aspen]

More then 10 Users for some

[coarse grove]

dude I am used to 40 fps vr because of this lol

yeah, I stick to ~8 people lobbies right now
my 1050 is just not the most up to date card ^^

[worthy oracle]

lower if full public’s, you can be 20-30 most of the time even

[thorny aspen]

Uses more cpu then gpu

[coarse grove]

yeah, I only play publics

i don't really get invited >.>

[worthy oracle]

hm

[coarse grove]

I'm upgrading my gpu for christmas, maybe I can finally have smooth VR ^^

[worthy oracle]

well i will say that perhaps with time there can be more optimizations to the game. it would be great to have more consistently high frames

[dark harness]

I mean, we can get this game to run on a literal actual toaster with a full lobby if we just provide the art assets ourselves

VRChat But There's No Custom Content: The Very Exciting Game That People Definitely Want To Play

[jovial kestrel]

Where do I sign up

[worthy oracle]

lol yeah but content creation is the basis of this game

hard issue to tackle but I believe some things can be done

[twin fractal]

playerbase is its own worst enemy

[hoary flower]

yea i hope the vrchat plus doesn't kill content creation

[worthy oracle]

I’ll see if I can get a lobby with like 30 people in it using a default avatar and see how it goes

I bet frames will still be low tbh

[hoary flower]

because there is a lot of copyright infringing stuff on the game. how do you intend on curbing the possible issue of dmcas or of creations getting taken down for copyright reasons which could cause a decline in playerbase? @dark harness

Or are you guys just gonna cross that bridge when it comes?

[dark harness]

We have always respected the DMCA before and we will continue to always respect the DMCA, it's our only legal option

[coarse grove]

they will be low lol

[worthy oracle]

I know

[vocal shard]

Vrchat is a platform. The users themselves are the ones responsible and liable for DMCA

They agree to that when they upload the content

[jovial kestrel]

That's the checkbox in the upload screen.

[sleek sparrow]

upgrade your cpu, not your gpu

thats a common mistake when it comes to improving vr performance

[strange sinew]

5950x min

[worthy oracle]

this game is more cpu bound but like.. literally only uses one core mostly. wat??

[sleek sparrow]

vr in general likes lots of cores, its not just this game

[vocal shard]

It doesn't. The one core/thread thing is an old myth

[coarse grove]

I have a Ryzen 5 3600, it should be more than capable ^^

[vocal shard]

It's always been multicore

[coarse grove]

GPU has always been more of the problem for me.

[strange sinew]

Get a 3090

[coarse grove]

i wish man

[worthy oracle]

maybe but it seems as if it usually utilizes one more, and it doesn’t take advantage of threads fully.

[vocal shard]

Regarding efficiency.... Unity..
(And now I'm way out of my league)

[coarse grove]

Unity is pretty good in terms of performance. It used to be shit, but improved substantially.

[hoary flower]

Most corporations don't think that way. They will definitely try to attack the platform, VRCHAT, and not the users, example being the Big Al's avatar corridors world

[dark harness]

I tried running VRChat after I got this Ryzen Threadripper and attended a fairly busy meeting and it evenly loaded all of those cores pretty well. I was honestly surprised, though, it was like 12% on each of the 48 cores, which is a lot of CPU usage

[coarse grove]

You can easily write huge performance issues with Unity though, which gives it a pretty... interesting reputation.

[sleek sparrow]

yeah agreeing to some message doesnt waive all liability on vrchat's end. you agree to a similar message when you upload to say little big planet, but LBP's developer still got asked to take charge by nintendo a few times, not the creators of the nintendo themed stages

[dark harness]

so my (terrible) performance advice is this: buy a $2000 ridonkulous specialty chip and build a whole rig around it (edit: definitely do not do this)

[vocal shard]

@hoary flower as long as vrchat doesn't get in the way of legal action, they follow safe harbor law

[broken plover]

break into nvidia hq and steal one of their geforce now servers. That will be enough to run vrchat at 45fps in busy instances

[dusty berry]

needed to upgrade both, really. i started VR with an FX-8350 and R9 380

[coarse grove]

still not sure if I should go for a 2070 next...

[thorny aspen]

Hmm nvidia support would be neat in this for optimizing alyx has it and runs great

[vocal shard]

anyway, I gotta get back to work. Boss gonna get mad

[worthy oracle]

yes but imagine whipping that out just for this game like.. no one would do that xD most users have decent cpus but not like that. I do believe a good amount is really just unity true but like it seems the game itself doesn’t utilize things as much as it could.

I just hope eventually the game can be better optimized lmao

[coarse grove]

yeah, there really is no reason VRC runs worse than AAA games ^^

[vocal shard]

User made content...

That is a big reason for performance hits

[coarse grove]

that really is not enough of an excuse for just how bad it is.

[sleek sparrow]

unity is not the culprit here necessarily. as someone else said, unity is fine, but its easy to fuck up

[hoary flower]

Plus I think this monetization system is a bit of a bad idea and could possibly lead to the team capping off some features from free users.

[coarse grove]

24 avatars should not make you dip into the single digits.

[covert chasm]

It is. I assure you. I have seen so many things. Terrible things.

[hoary flower]

I'm not trying to insult everyone on the vrchat team by saying this, i'm sure you guys are alright people

[umbral reef]

Do you still have that doc of denied avatar worlds?

[sleek sparrow]

blame the world devs, not the engine.

[worthy oracle]

most lobbies just have the common avatars with dynamic bones

[coarse grove]

Yeah, I can understand your performance sucks if you have local dynamic bone rendering on, but otherwise, avatars are literally just normal gameobjects

[dark harness]

You understand that we're not an AAA game, right?

[sleek sparrow]

that doesnt mean anything wut ger, wut?

[coarse grove]

Yes. I do.

[worthy oracle]

like even turning dynamic bones and shaders and everything off we get low frames

[covert chasm]

24 Medium or better avatars will not dip you into single digits. 24 Very Poor avatars? That's very much a diceroll. A single one of those avatars could have the same performance cost as the entire rest of the instance, world included.

[sleek sparrow]

you do know what a game object is right ger?

its literally just a designation of an object in unity. it is absolutely meaningless in your context

[coarse grove]

Yes, I do. I was referring to stuff like special scripts and similar things.

[dark harness]

You could take just QA team and QA budget of a AAA game and it would handily dwarf VRChat in an instant

[sleek sparrow]

so explain why you think gameobjects are the issue here? like i really dont think you do understand

all unity games have game objects

[dusty berry]

would i see any benefit in VRChat stutters when loading into a world if i upgraded from 6c/12t to 8c/16t? 24 threads? 32?

[sleek sparrow]

not loading, but you would get a better framerate across all vr games

[coarse grove]

I. Know. Exactly as I said.
I mean that avatars are not "special" gameobjects which are heavily scripted, but looking at the docs again, I see that I am quite wrong about that now

[worthy oracle]

Spend ur life savings for a cpu and maybe you’ll see +5-10 frames better average lmao

[sleek sparrow]

there is no such thing as a "special" game object lol

[frigid peak]

I'd imagine your game lagging has something to do with trying to load more then 20 million polys at a time from the 60 unoptimized avatars you joined

[covert chasm]

To be clear-- Avatars are quite special and do have a lot of special things going on.

[coarse grove]

jfc you know what I mean
Stop arguing semantics

[sleek sparrow]

actually i went from a 6 core to a 8 core/16 thread and my framerate in vr doubled

[frigid peak]

That reply wasn't meant to be there, I hate the new reply system LOL

[coarse grove]

Yeah, I see that now with the 3.0 docs. Good stuff.

[mild juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-stephencolbert-popcornday-gif-5026734

[worthy oracle]

just make vrchat an AAA game kappa

[covert chasm]

AV3 (when used properly) is actually quite performant-- usually, its things like Dynamic Bones, dozens of skinned meshes (you only need one), hundreds of materials (you only need a small handful), and other things that cause real problems. That, and unnecessarily huge textures.

[coarse grove]

What's up with MMD models having 5023875395 materials anyway? Like, what's the point?

[latent widget]

People don't atlas them

[thorny aspen]

Iv been optimizing my avatars slowly but i am getting there. But there like its green but i lags us but how do i know? I optimized it y would it lag you?

[covert chasm]

MMD was never meant for real-time rendering of dozens of characters. It is a matter of intent for the model, originally.

[dusty berry]

i have a old 12-core ivy bridge server. i wonder if it could maybe run better with the 2060 then my Ryzen 5 2600. that'd be weird.

[sleek sparrow]

yes potentially. server cpus are built different though

but ivy bridge is also old. it might not be optimized for newer hardware

[ripe hornet]

Could there maybe be a pop up when uploading "Very Poor" avatars? Ie "This avatar will perform very poorly and cause lag, you can still upload it but maybe check out some optimization tips at www.example.com?"

[coarse grove]

Pretty sure the upload dialog already tells you your avatar is awful by marking it "very poor"

[covert chasm]

VRChat (like basically all games aside from like... DOOM) relies heavily on single-threaded performance-- or how quickly a single thread can complete a single job. Games, especially networked ones, are quite difficult to put into parallel processes. I'm by FAR not a software engineer person so I'm oversimplifying, but yeah

[sleek sparrow]

sure but like if you cant run the avatar, thats what the safety features are for. sometimes avatars are just super detailed

[modern sand]

"Detailed"

[covert chasm]

There is one! It says almost exactly that wording. It links to our optimization documentation.

[modern sand]

That's one way to say 35 materials/meshes

[sleek sparrow]

yes some are unoptimized, but sometimes people wanna make hyper HD models. we shouldnt stop them

[coarse grove]

Or 700 dynamic bones

[ripe hornet]

My B, all my avis tend to be medium minimum /humble brag

[dusty berry]

aa i see. no point in me running that experiment then. thank you Tupper

[thorny aspen]

Is there way to access saftey while loading worlds like i want to block avatars before i get there if i forget before hand?

[latent widget]

Something i've realized is that people are just lazy when it comes to optimization of avatars in general. They spend alot of time making them and what not but when it comes to performance, they completely skip out on it because it doesn't affect them as bad or well just lazy.

[coarse grove]

Safety settings or what do you mean?

[sleek sparrow]

just do it at home eenhoorn

[worthy oracle]

I seriously doubt it’s just avatars. A full lobby with users regardless of avatar will amount to huge amounts of lag.

[covert chasm]

I've seen models with 3 materials and one skinned mesh that look far better and MUCH more detailed than wolfboys with 50 skinned meshes, 200 materials, and 1000 dynamic bones 😛

[coarse grove]

They should persist across worlds.

[ripe hornet]

God I wish there was a "go back" option lmao. Accidently going to another world because of unsteady hands or portals is annoying

[hollow ingot]

So we probably would have to go beyond that one Apple chip... the M1... for that.
Sweet, sweet single-core perf.

[dusty berry]

awoo~

[umbral reef]

Worse of all is that you can press 3a4 buttons with Catsplugin and solve most performance problems within an second

[languid beacon]

https://i.imgur.com/KHHBKZy.png

[sleek sparrow]

cool and ive seen the exact opposite, so like why should some of us be limited by the weakest link?

[ripe hornet]

Oh that

[elder steeple]

Art style means much more than number of textures and materials

[ripe hornet]

no I meant like- onscreen, not a tiny lil blip.

[modern sand]

You're right, it's also IK and voice, which are very much optimized every chance we get. But that's still not the main culprit.

[latent widget]

Then these avatars end up becoming the most popular avatars and everyone in every world is using them

[languid beacon]

I had to duplicate my avatar 4 times to get that warning

[coarse grove]

Eh. Switch Safety to block Very Poor.
They'll learn eventually.

[umbral reef]

One of the hills il die on is that avatar cloning is one of the worse mistakes in the game because of how easy it is to copy a shitty optimized avatar.

[ripe hornet]

but then i block a lot of actually cool and optimized avis just because they have one dynamicc bone to much 😦

[sleek sparrow]

ive had people on quest whine at me for using a pc only avatar. like not my problem your choice of hardware cant support my chosen model lol

[covert chasm]

I should dig up the old avatar world analysis spreadsheet that we did before cloning existed. 🤔

[worthy oracle]

What do you suggest it is then? Because on those aspects I really feel as if optimization CAN be done for this game

[coarse grove]

Yeah, I think that's pretty inconsistent too. :/

[covert chasm]

We provide optimization improvements with essentially every release. There's no big "OPTIMIZE" button. It is a matter of small steps.

[twin fractal]

I have literally tried on public avatars in a private world by myself and dropped to 20 fps infront of a mirror just idling. it's fucking bad out there lol

[latent widget]

Should definitely compare data from before and after

[thorny aspen]

Is there a no crash while loading into a world option been trying to figure that one out for a month

[modern sand]

Content is still the main issue. But we never stop working on internal pieces.

[worthy oracle]

Hmm

[modern sand]

@thorny aspen What world are you loading into ?

[ripe hornet]

Honestly, its why I want the ability to customize the settings much more.

I don't mind 100k+ avis and dynamic bones but I do want to block avis that are "very poor" because they have a million with more particles than a fucking showcase demo for unity's capability

[thorny aspen]

Any world ill randomly load forever have to force close thw game

[umbral reef]

Well that file is the reason i got to the opinion
I knew it was bad but i still have nightmares from the things that got denied 😱

[worthy oracle]

Same occasionally

[modern sand]

Do you sometimes join a world and then very quickly go to another one ?

[covert chasm]

You can block Very Poor using the performance limiter, and you can block excessive particles with the particle limiter system.

Perf Rank limiter: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system#minimum-displayed-performance-rank
Particle system limiter: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-particle-system-limits

[thorny aspen]

No i fully load then later on jump to some one else and it fully loads world then freezes i cant even go back to home

[covert chasm]

Before you ask why the particle limiter isn't default-- we did that before and got a lot of pushback, so we made it optional.

[worthy oracle]

The problem is that very poor is like every avatar in most lobbies. RIP lol

[empty fox]

would paying for "early acess" to new features be better than paying for the features? so the features eventually trickle to free to play?

[modern sand]

Have you reached out to the support with your logs ?

[languid beacon]

There's no big "OPTIMIZE" button
There is. It works! https://i.imgur.com/sANbKBI.png

[thorny aspen]

I believe so iv had others send same in to

[covert chasm]

This is super subjective-- the instances I hang out in are typically Medium or better on average. 😛

[umbral reef]

Also can we get our reactions back :c

[coarse grove]

I really like my simple tiny bird avatar. No performance issues there. :p

[sleek sparrow]

are those features eventually gonna get GUI implementation in the options menu, or always stuck to json hell?

[hollow ingot]

Welp, there goes my attempts of speedrunning world hopping.

[covert chasm]

as soon as people get rid of the thinly-veiled-modified-client-promotion fruit fetish 😛

[sleek sparrow]

cause a more granular performance settings menu would make a lot of people happy im sure

[worthy oracle]

You must be lucky, I mean I world hop quite often and at least the populated worlds seem to have like mostly very poor avis. It varies from user to user of course but xD idk

[final thunder]

one of my avatars has 360 material slots

[jovial kestrel]

Why

[coarse grove]

how
h o w

[modern sand]

In that case it's most likely being investigated. The more people report those issues to us, the easier it gets for us to understand the cause.

[final thunder]

its dance animations

[sleek sparrow]

nothing wrong with that tetracor

[covert chasm]

Yes there is. There's so much wrong with it.

[modern sand]

[final thunder]

multiple copies

[covert chasm]

Don't do that. Animate your avatar. Don't duplicate your avatar. That's horrifying.

[coarse grove]

performance: BSoD

[ripe hornet]

I am aware of these, but it doesn't help me when I wanna be more selective in what I want, ie, not blocking all "very poor" avis just because they are one vert over 70k, or a gigantic avi

[thorny aspen]

This been happening since the 3.0 update i can try to send more logs if you like but i wanna make sure its fixed cause its a bummer not able to hang out

[final thunder]

no no im saying three of my avatar pop out.

[sleek sparrow]

again, i dont think it should be his problem if yall cant run the avatar

[empty fox]

vr chat crashing alot really confuses me

[north willow]

The correlation is between poor avatars and the MMD format, MMD was designed for video rendering, not video games. You don't need anything to watch an MMD video.

[covert chasm]

Understandable. What I usually do is block VP, then if someone is talking to me I look at stats. If its something trivial (like 70001 tris) then I click "show avatar".

[misty sequoia]

Octane I hope you stub your toe

[modern sand]

If you find a canny about this issue, please ping me !

[coarse grove]

it is a problem lol

[sleek sparrow]

problem for you maybe lol

[ripe hornet]

What is wrong with you? Do you need us to call you some cops? is this a cry for help?

[final thunder]

also tupper. where are you guys hanging out? ive played this for years and never once saw a dev

[worthy oracle]

SAME

[modern sand]

Not around people with 360 materials

[coarse grove]

This is a multiplayer game, creating performance intensive avatars for no reason is just kind of a dick move to be honest

[thorny aspen]

Oh meaning to ask is there going to be a bigger chache limit? Instead of just randomly crashing at 20

[ripe hornet]

LMAO

[final thunder]

hey thats only one of my avatars

[worthy oracle]

lmfao

[sleek sparrow]

but you can block avatars that make your computer vomit? so whats the issue?

[languid beacon]

Tupper is every mute

[thorny aspen]

Oof 360 materials yikes

[ripe hornet]

meanwhile I was in despair because I needed to add another material slot for my wings

[latent widget]

Usually i see them in a friends+ world talking about big brain subjects that im not ready for LOL

[covert chasm]

Usually in Friends+ instances, sometimes I hop around publics, I usually hang out in VRC to chill out with friends. F+ means that I get to meet (friends of)^n where n is a sufficiently small number that I get to meet lots of new people.

[latent widget]

VRchat is a small world, so you'll eventually randomly come across them

[coarse grove]

the fact that this could be done properly without causing people to throw up because of lag spikes

[covert chasm]

If you do meet a VRChat developer in VRChat, please respect their time-- they're not online to answer questions but usually to hang out and chill. I personally don't mind answering a few questions but others may not be.

[languid beacon]

I once ran into VRPill in an elevator. It was very surreal.

[sleek sparrow]

ok but thats a moot point here. he made his avatar the way he wants to.

[thorny aspen]

Rons chill to hang out with

[covert chasm]

But I have to render it. 🤔

[coarse grove]

my gpu did not consent to this

[sleek sparrow]

when people yell at me for using an avatar thats too much for em, i just tell them to block mine. simple.

[coarse grove]

it is barely alive as is lol

[ripe hornet]

Does "How you feelin" count as a question 🤔

[sleek sparrow]

and you can set up your performance options in your home world.

[languid beacon]

I want the opposite of the safety system. I want to auto-show Excellent and Good

[umbral reef]

What if we deman cat pictures? Thats good use of your guys time right?

[covert chasm]

It does but its always a nice question to hear 😄

[ripe hornet]

Hey Tupper, how are you feelin?

[thorny aspen]

I have to figure out a way to make a mesh partical optimized still

[worthy oracle]

it’s mesh

[final thunder]

do you think it would be a good idea to have community mods that go to public worlds and moderate the community? the problem with reports is some people have clients and they can see you reported them and then it makes you a target

[worthy oracle]

maybe

[sleek sparrow]

they would have to be paid tho

[coarse grove]

tbh, no
altspace is a nightmare because of that exact thing

[latent widget]

Not if its volunteering

[ripe hornet]

That would be neat but... extremely questionable? how do you recruit these people, can you trust them to moderate without bias?

[sleek sparrow]

unless you are volunteering to do it for free

[covert chasm]

Exceedingly tired, hungry, a bit relieved that this is out and most people seem to be happy about things. There's some good feedback we're iterating on so we've got work to do, but generally good.

Thanks for asking. 😄

[worthy oracle]

I’ve seen SO many users do things but it’s to a point where no one cares enough to report this one person via email and footage

[languid beacon]

are you sure people even get pinged that they've been reported? seems easy to fix if true. just. don't. do that

[coarse grove]

If you allow community moderators, you will quickly get to the level of reddit mods.

And you do not want that.

[ripe hornet]

I am happy for you. Would you like for me to DM you one (1) pic of my very cute cat

[worthy oracle]

Like I’m in publics all the time so idk

[latent widget]

Back in my days, you could call a VRC moderator to your world KEKW

[final thunder]

very true. i just dont see how we can fix the client use problem

[jovial kestrel]

Emergency mod button.

What a feature.

[sleek sparrow]

at the very least, instance creators should have some power over the room, like an actual kick button, instead of relying on the shitty vote kick system

[strange sinew]

Emergency meeting

[covert chasm]

Oh that's easy, we make VRChat a Stadia exclusive

[rapid pawn]

Fail rp i'm calling an admin

[final thunder]

lmao

[ripe hornet]

RDM, admin plz

[coarse grove]

bro you violated NLR

[worthy oracle]

There are never moderators in the public’s that have the most malicious activity

[jovial kestrel]

||Is getting crashed just VRChat's version of RDM?||

[vocal shard]

That's not the first time tupper has said that.... Now I'm scared he's hinting at a future platform

[latent widget]

Man i was so tempted to press it and ask for emotional support, but im pretty sure many people did that and thats why its removed LOL

[vocal shard]

[covert chasm]

I mean, VRC is on/is going to be on Geforce Now which is basically the same idea as Stadia (sorta kinda, key differences)

[jovial kestrel]

Maybe. It's also just insanely impractical and unrealistic to maintain a working system like that.

[vocal shard]

there is VR cloud streaming services coming xD

Yeah, but not as an exclusive ^-^

[warm herald]

how do u lower down the graphics of vrchat on computer heuejje it’s too hard to use-

[coarse grove]

isn't Shadow PC already a thing?

[sleek sparrow]

i dont want moderators because it would put an end to all the yiffin i see in random worlds. its part of the vr chat charm imo

[final thunder]

im just so sick of having to fear getting crashed or dossed just cause you wanna meet some new people in a public world. its fine to hide in friends+ but even those sometimes have crashers cause one dude has a friend

[coarse grove]

Hold Shift while starting.

[latent widget]

hold shift when launching vrchat @warm herald

[sleek sparrow]

damn you must be super unlucky tetracor if its happening to you as much as it sounds

[warm herald]

okii so should I just restart?

[strange sinew]

I barely get crashed anymore tbh

[sleek sparrow]

never had anything like that in my experience

[final thunder]

i use to hang out in the room of rain. that can tell you the things ive seen

[latent widget]

quit your game, hold shift, start vrchat while holding it and then you will have the option for vrlow

[coarse grove]

Public The Great Pug rooms get crashed a LOT for some reason

[ionic fern]

You can also use the report by web.

[warm herald]

got it-

[sleek sparrow]

i go there too sometimes. pug as well. not once have i seen hackers or crashers

[ripe hornet]

the virgin great pug vs the chad black cat

[coarse grove]

lucky man, we probably play at different times

[final thunder]

the problem with that is they want you to record everything and have a whole slew of proof

[sleek sparrow]

the most ive seen is assholes who keep changing the song in karaoke rooms lol

[coarse grove]

i don't understand why people like the black cat tbh, I prefer the pug

[sleek sparrow]

i play anywhere from 3 PM mountain time to 4 AM

[final thunder]

its hard to record when you are getting clapped

[worthy oracle]

This is the very thing that discourages 90% of people to report at all. Leaving these users untouched

[ripe hornet]

Pug is very cramped, black cat is much more open and friendly to (most) giant avis

[sleek sparrow]

i dont go to pug cause its just people standing around talking

[warm herald]

that’s so much better ty

[coarse grove]

yeah, our time zones could not be much more different then ^^

[ionic fern]

True, i hear there's some recorder soft so when you need it it can record 30 sec previously what are you doing.

[latent widget]

Glad it worked!

[final thunder]

let me open up my obs while my whole computer is getting locked up

[strange sinew]

Black cat has bigger and more mirrors so thats my thing i need them

[fiery lichen]

Bit relieved that this is out

You mean the VRC+ thing? The Discord was a shitstorm last night, I don’t envy you guys

[sleek sparrow]

i play with people all around the world, mostly japanese cause of my time zone. germans and russians too. lots of american

[coarse grove]

eh, I like the "cramped" feeling of the pug a lot for some reason

[worthy oracle]

it’s not even just crashing but yeah the reporting system is not great at all

[sleek sparrow]

im surprised people are shitting on the subscription. i thought it was awesome, and was disappointed its not out yet

[worthy oracle]

[final thunder]

ive personally seen avatars that if you dont have the particle limiter. it will crash your graphics card

[ripe hornet]

On the topic of giants- God I wish there was a walk and run speed instead of going YEET each time i play as a small avi

[sleek sparrow]

guess its just kids who dont have money whining

[covert chasm]

It's fine! Our wonderful Discord mods had a handle on things.

[thorny aspen]

Yeh seen that little storm last night yikes

[strange sinew]

I dont see a problem with it either tbh but i can see why ppl are concerned

[coarse grove]

do you mean on desktop or...?

[sleek sparrow]

analog stick baybeeeeee. does wonders for vr chat

[fiery lichen]

A good idea, yes, but most people were talking about the price you’re paying for the features you’re getting

[ripe hornet]

VR

[languid beacon]

I knew the raeg wouldn't last more than 4 days, but it didn't even last one

[coarse grove]

Are your controllers not analog?

[ionic fern]

Well...that hapend in the dark souls III era when people got the CE and start spamming animation or magic to crash your pc.

[sleek sparrow]

100 bucks a year is a lot to people?

[ripe hornet]

I use vive wands

[empty fox]

yes

[final thunder]

also maybe we should have a better knowledge of the limiter. most people dont even know about it. i dont even remember where i got mine.

[worthy oracle]

for a free game and barely much difference with features yes

[strange sinew]

Well to some ppl it is yea

[fiery lichen]

Yes?

[sleek sparrow]

been a while but i thought the track pads had an analog system for movement in vr chat

[coarse grove]

Never used those myself, I can walk slowly just fine with my oculus touch controllers

[latent widget]

Everyone has their own opinions of it, but I'm sure they are taking the information and seeing what they wanna do with it. Still, its not their first rodeo lol

[empty fox]

wouldnt be to bad if it was for the price imo

[ionic fern]

I try to encourage people to block everything besides voice and avatars.

[final thunder]

same and i hand out my particle limiter like candy

[ionic fern]

And play with the limiter in the safety.

[fiery lichen]

Yeah, agreed

I am curious what the final outcome will be

[sleek sparrow]

i mean, i think its a little scummy there is a hard limit on favourite avatars regardless of money, but ill gladly pay for an increase

[thorny aspen]

Voice options turn some one up turn some one down what happend to that feature

[fiery lichen]

I’m on the fence about getting it personally

[coarse grove]

imo 25 is pretty decent
the old limit is awful

[sleek sparrow]

ill also pay for more favourite worlds if you wanna throw that in there

[ripe hornet]

I think the devs should have had a much more detailed trailer and post lmao and lower the price

[worthy oracle]

I feel a lot of features like VRC+ features should really just be in the game. It shouldn’t be locked behind a paywall. But, the ability to support the game in a literal sense is nice.

[scenic sage]

its hard to find anyone on the open beta lol

[frosty veldt]

@thorny aspen Set to planned 2 days ago https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/adjust-volume-of-individuals

[fiery lichen]

Please, my worlds lists are full XD

[strange sinew]

Would be cool to maybe see some more tiers in subs

[thorny aspen]

Thank god

[final thunder]

where do you get the .json file? i got mine from a friend and i dont see it on the website anywhere

[languid beacon]

Keep in mind, all of the ... "feedback" from yesterday was reserved to people who read Discord announcements or subscribe to VRC's youtube. The actual common players have no idea of what's coming, and won't until it his live. Then there will ne another wave of. Feedback.

[empty fox]

offical oshul suggestion time: lower price to somthing like £50 a year netflix is 88.99 a year

[ionic fern]

True...but isnt not bad at all... At least is a motivated way to suport them, and they said they will add more things to everybody.

[sleek sparrow]

i dunno, i got like 800 hours in this stupid thing, literally the only reason i go in vr these days (alyx and boneworks are one and done, the rest are worst than mobile games). i guess im biased

i would have probably paid if it was merely a badge and nothing else

[ionic fern]

Anyways for me is unreachable for my country situation. But for others i guess not.

[fiery lichen]

Wouldn’t more tiers cause more segregation/elitism?

[strange sinew]

Not really of done well

[languid beacon]

I really don't want to divide people up

[sleek sparrow]

eliteism is already a thing. money wont change that

and these features arent blocking people from anything. its all personal enhancements

[worthy oracle]

I have 3200 hours, I love the game and I’ll probably buy a month to support and get early supporter badge, but I hope for improvements past the little things such as VRC+. I believe there are greater things to focus on. I’m seeing how things roll out I guess

[final thunder]

as a trusted user i can say that sometimes its silly

[sleek sparrow]

me having 100 favourite avatar slots isnt gonna ruin your experience

[coarse grove]

inb4 vrc+ only rooms

[sleek sparrow]

why not?

[languid beacon]

I have played with my nametag flipped on green/purple and it might just be placebo but I do feel like people approach you slightly differently. I feel like people are more talkative if I have it set to green.

[sleek sparrow]

actually that doesnt sound like a bad idea. when you make a portal, you could set it to VRC+ only

[coarse grove]

this is an awful idea

[fiery lichen]

You’re right but it’s a bad feature to choose to have behind a paywall.
I imagine the amount of storage necessary to store avatar favorites per account is not a lot

[empty fox]

no, no elitism

[worthy oracle]

Terrible idea

[sleek sparrow]

i like to silently point and laugh at the grey nametags. bonus points if they still have an ID code at the end of their name

[final thunder]

i legit had a guy turn to me one time and say "oh a trusted user. scary!" they were being honest. they were afraid to talk to me

[coarse grove]

ah

why tf do you care about someone's rank in the first place

[strange sinew]

There should def not ever be vrc+ worlds that will split the games player base and hurts it way to much

[sleek sparrow]

that sounds like the kind of guy who doesnt get a lot of experience socializing with other humans. i wouldnt worry about it

[fiery lichen]

Imagine all of your friends and you going through a Plus portal, aside from one guy that’s being left behind, and you just have to turn around and say “Sorry, you’re not VRC+”

[sleek sparrow]

not vrc+ worlds, just the ability to limit an instance to vrc+ users

[worthy oracle]

I don’t find much difference in how people approach others because of rank. In my experience, some people approach more if I’m displaying trusted but idk

[sleek sparrow]

yeah sorry, you arent vrc+

[ionic fern]

It may depends haha

[coarse grove]

tbh i mostly only approach trusted people less because they are always in front of a mirror

[sleek sparrow]

people open friend portals all the time in public rooms. nobody whines about that

[final thunder]

i really hope my rank doesnt turn people away from talking to me. im just on desktop so i have no right to be elitist about anything

[worthy oracle]

Anyway that issue is being fixed, the new nameplates don’t show ranks anymore

[strange sinew]

Yea i do be infront of mirrors every time i join a world

[languid beacon]

I can't believe people are falling for the "You must have VRC+ to view this avatar" avatar

[worthy oracle]

And ranks are just to show who’s been around for awhile. That’s all. And possibly content creation.

[fiery lichen]

It’s hilarious and concerning simultaneously

[latent widget]

I some how got to Legendary User, but im guessing its because i've been around for so long

[fiery lichen]

I see it as mostly content creation

[worthy oracle]

LOL. It’s just people making fun of VRC+

[latent widget]

oops i didn't know i was replying to that

[fiery lichen]

It was used to be called Veteran, and it’s not a thing anymore iirc

[latent widget]

It's still a thing, its just not shown in game, but in the API, veteran still exists as legendary goes after vet

[final thunder]

cant we just go back to when everyone was a user?

[sleek sparrow]

people just hate money and are scared when you can optionally pay for it. people dont like change and will forget about this whole thing in a week lol

[ionic fern]

pretty much.

[fiery lichen]

Yeah, VRCX shows people as veteran as it pulls straight from the API

[worthy oracle]

Ranks really aren’t that much of a deal. I think the system is fine. This new update eliminates the color differentiation anyway. (Ranks won’t be visible unless quick menu opened)

[fiery lichen]

I don’t think so. The other updates is whatever, but because this is optional and it’s constantly on the table, a lot of people will be considering getting it and it will continue to spark debate for a while I think

[exotic obsidian]

Does my uploaded avatars carry over to the new beta on steam?

[sleek sparrow]

personally, like i constantly think about how this game has no revenue stream, and yet all of this dev time and network infrastructure, and it just makes me flabbergasted that they are still around somehow. so yes, ill gladly pay for it since its the only reason i have vr at this point lol

[latent widget]

Yes pepper

[final thunder]

back in my day. there were no favoriting avatars. everyone was a user. ugandan knuckles were everywhere

[worthy oracle]

Of course

[fiery lichen]

I mean, they have sponsors, from what numbers were being flung around last night the capital was way past a million, but don’t take my word for that

[worthy oracle]

I mean it’s still their job. It’s not like they make 0 profit from this. But VRC+ can be great for devs. Just hope it doesn’t become too much of a focus and just keep the game as is

[sleek sparrow]

you dont know the internet arty. people complain about something until they find something new to complain about. vrchat just got the short end of the stick

[latent widget]

back in my days, the presentation room was the go to place for meeting people

[worthy oracle]

Can we revive presentation room, it’s so dead nowadays

[final thunder]

my man!

[sleek sparrow]

i remember going to the comedy club room that was popular for a while

[fiery lichen]

I’m unsure what you mean by “I don’t know the internet”

[final thunder]

or gaia nights

[whole flare]

you got some too? yeah i got people in my other discords falling for that shit too. pretty damn funny tbh.

[latent widget]

dude gaia nights was so nostalgic, along with the old vrchat loading screen

[sleek sparrow]

you think people wont stop whining about this. they will. the internet just needs something to complain. it's its favourite drug

[final thunder]

even the old home world was comfy

[coarse grove]

okay but do you remember the old loading screen

[fiery lichen]

I didn’t say they wouldn’t stop, I said it would take longer than you think

People complaining for just a few days is a very conservative estimate

[worthy oracle]

Well I’m gonna go take a shower. Goodbyes everyone! Hope your day is going well

[whole flare]

And it is. and they do have/had millions in funding.. but those are investments.. they're expected to eventually pay those back.. they're basically loans. they gotta make money to become profitable somehow. (that + everytime they take money from investors they sell part of their soul with it)

[fiery lichen]

I saw a screenshot of it recently, it looks way cooler!

[sleek sparrow]

how old we talking? cause i remember a different loading screen back in like 2017 when i booted up vrchat one time in desktop mode and realized the game was unplayable with mouse and keyboard lol

[latent widget]

like early 2018

[sleek sparrow]

screenshot?

[fiery lichen]

But these investments were from VR companies. Their return on investment was that people would buy more headsets to play more VR

[sleek sparrow]

source arty?

[final thunder]

dont talk shit! i have 2,340 hours pure desktop

[fiery lichen]

Somewhere on Twitter, one moment please

[whole flare]

It's HTC we're talking about here. if they can get more money out of it they will get more money out of it.. so if they have an excuse to make VRC pay back why wouldn't they?

[latent widget]

@sleek sparrow https://i.gyazo.com/314b9bc9d1449c284be66a8a1abc531c.jpg

[fiery lichen]

https://twitter.com/shiftin96/status/1329626530289512448?s=21

[sleek sparrow]

yep i remember that

[latent widget]

there was also a setting you can enable to turn on the worm hole

[sleek sparrow]

never even occured to me when i started playing vr chat in vr that it changed

oh yeah i think i remember some sort of animation

[latent widget]

yeah, it was neat

[sleek sparrow]

did they change it for quest performance or did the change predate quest?

[whole flare]

new vrc+ feature, brings back the old load screen. or perhaps less controversial. customizable loadscreen colors >_>

[latent widget]

i guess to modernize it

[sleek sparrow]

i didnt start playing vr chat really until last january

[coarse grove]

i'd straight up buy vrc+ for the old loading screen lol

[sleek sparrow]

ugh "modernize" hate that word. it means "make everything look ugly and lazy"

well it got me to buy body trackers, so good job htc regardless

[final thunder]

hey so anyways. how about that lavandervr?

[sleek sparrow]

the what now?

[final thunder]

lol its a joke. failed vrchat replacement

[sleek sparrow]

you sure you dont mean neos?

[whole flare]

it had so much potential on paper but the day it launched was the day i stopped hearing anything at all about it. lol

[final thunder]

cause they wanted $20 for something we already had for free

[covert chasm]

Calling Neos a VRChat replacement (or vice versa) is a disservice to both platforms. Neos is wonderful and I am super glad it exists. Collaborative development is really cool.

[sleek sparrow]

why is it so dead every time im on then?

[whole flare]

i mean i wouldn't say replacement. more a competitor

[vocal shard]

Im not paying any money to vrchat,im better off saving my money for something more useful

[sleek sparrow]

the only thing neos has going for it is 10 point body tracking. otherwise it seems worse in every way

[whole flare]

they're both good in their own rights.. except that neos' ui is attrocious

[latent widget]

Thats perfectly fine!

[sleek sparrow]

i love the neos ui, but it is very detailed and has many options

[fiery lichen]

TEN point?

[heady salmon]

Why are there even so many different similar vr social games.

[fiery lichen]

Who has 10 point tracking hardware

[vocal shard]

Me lol

[whole flare]

cuz VRC took off and everyone was like "we can do it better" but despite all effort VRC still came out on top.

[coarse grove]

where do you even put all those trackers

[sleek sparrow]

you just buy more trackers. ill gladly do the same but i dont play neos, and vr chat only supports 6 point

[coarse grove]

yeah, but like
where do you put them
i'd have no idea after 6

[sleek sparrow]

elbows and knees. its to remove the need for IK

so head, 2 hands, 2 elbows, waist, 2 knees and 2 feet

[final thunder]

where is my toe tracking tupper????

[fiery lichen]

Oh, I just realized

6 Point = Head, two controllers, waist + two feet

Plus four, because one for each elbow and knee

[whole flare]

pretty sure it does 12 point as well. (so each limb gets individual tracking)

[fiery lichen]

Yeah, what they said

[sleek sparrow]

lol you dont put the trackers on your ankles. you put them around your feet

[heady salmon]

I guess it's like why there are so many minecraft copies too.

[latent widget]

I wanna use my index controllers to control my toes like my fingies

[final thunder]

yep. the future is now.

[fiery lichen]

I edited it way before you even sent that :P

[heady salmon]

weird flex but ok

[sleek sparrow]

10 point tracking is my most wanted feature in vr chat. maybe avatar 4.0...

[whole flare]

there was a game a while back that went as far as 14 point tracking. bloody insane

[final thunder]

realistic bowel tracking when?

[sleek sparrow]

actually where would those go? a neck maybe, where else? shoulders?

[fiery lichen]

$400 more dollars though, plus straps is yeesh

[latent widget]

Im gonna have to sit that one out

[whole flare]

Feet, Lower legs, Upper legs, Hip, chest, upper arm, forearms, hands, head.

[distant ermine]

Okay, hear me out. Boob tracking

[sleek sparrow]

ive already spent 3000 on vr equipment. 400 is nothing

[fiery lichen]

Accurate genitalia tracking when

I’m sure all the ERPers would rejoice

[heady salmon]

chest, waist, pelvis, neck, and head. hecking 50 points, just cover the body with points.

[sleek sparrow]

and its actually more cause canada money

[distant ermine]

100% would be used I swear

[latent widget]

The door 🚪

[whole flare]

the hardware/technology is not there yet.

[sleek sparrow]

at that point just buy a tracking suit like they use for mocap

which i would 100% do

[fiery lichen]

Imagine slipping a tracking sleeve on, kinda like a condom
Actually yeesh, I don’t want to imagine that

[whole flare]

lets keep the chat PG shall we xD?

[fiery lichen]

I don’t want to walk into a public world and see an accurate reflection of someone’s genitalia

[final thunder]

i see that every day

[sleek sparrow]

i would. i think it would be fascinating from a technical perspective

[fiery lichen]

Oh, technically, absolutely

[sleek sparrow]

i would watch it in awe, that we have such technology

[fiery lichen]

But it would also allow for a whole new level of being creepy that I’m not ready for

[whole flare]

also appearantly someones been making memes about the guy with the lemon PFP earlier.. they're floating around some of my discords lol

[sleek sparrow]

nothing creepy about strutting your stuff, no matter who you are

[fiery lichen]

In public it kinda is

[sleek sparrow]

how so?

[fiery lichen]

There’s a reason it’s not legal IRL

[distant ermine]

In certain public areas it is legal

[fiery lichen]

Indecency yo

[sleek sparrow]

actually what is the reason its illegal? isnt it holdover from religious customs?

[final thunder]

its for the children

[fiery lichen]

I mean, personally I wouldn’t really want to see nude people of either sex walking around IRL

[sleek sparrow]

in some european countries, you can show naked people on public television

[hidden lion]

i just saw the "introducing vrchat plus" thing, was worried until i actually read it and noticed that it isn't giving any huge bonuses that makes it near-mandatory to get it, so glad that at least some games don't slowly transition into "pay to make the game actually usable"

[coarse grove]

why not though
blood and gore is fine, so why is nudity not

[final thunder]

Based!

[fiery lichen]

Not without a rating on said programming

i.e. 16+, 18+

[final thunder]

does anyone even pay attention to ratings anymore? they dont even card people for mature games anymore

[sleek sparrow]

north american countries have a very strange view of the world

[umbral reef]

Really depends where you are Teracor
I know stores here that dont care and some that really do

But on TV/movies and ect its often a lot more strict
Just takes one report/check for them to get a big fine for doing it.

[fiery lichen]

I’m not North American

I live in Europe

[final thunder]

maybe it is where i live. ive never been carded. even for alcohol

[sleek sparrow]

in canada here you have to show ID to purchase M rated video games. however, afaik, R rated movies sold at walmart require no ID

[whole flare]

perhaps you just look very mature

[sleek sparrow]

just the fact that every country has different views on this shows how arbitrary this whole thing feels

[scenic sage]

everyones game in my lobby just timed out

[sleek sparrow]

rip

[final thunder]

very likely. ive had a beard and mustache since i was 16.

[vocal shard]

i just came here to say vrchat plus is a poopfart idea for the love of all that is holy dont do it

[fiery lichen]

An anime girl with a beard and mustache, now that I want to see

[sleek sparrow]

but why milaco?

[vocal shard]

dumb paywall

[abstract elk]

In Canada, they don't ask for ID for anything even sometimes alcohol. Not all of canada is the same bucko

[final thunder]

new avatar idea? more at 11

[sleek sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKtBJFXip9o so this?

[whole flare]

Ok. now tell me. what's so bad about what they're charging for. (and to be sure here. what do you think they're paywalling exactly? cuz i've seen people come up with some really retarded ideas/stories that wern't true)

[final thunder]

that hurt to watch.

[sleek sparrow]

thats not a very descriptive reason milaco. sounds like you dont have the money for it and may or may not be jealous

hurt how? i love this video. its just japanese memes: a primer

[vocal shard]

All the features they seem to add are all things that one could do with a very simple, free mod. Theyre hiding features that costs them nothing to allow behind a paywall that everyone and their damn cat would know how to easily bypass

for example, more favorite avatars.

[sleek sparrow]

avatars arent stored locally

[worthy oracle]

Shouldn’t judge others on whether they have the money or not. It’s optional but grants bonus features that aren’t available to the general users so I see that argument making some sense

[final thunder]

it was the mustache.

[umbral reef]

So what should they do then?
As apparently adding things that hacked clients your not allowed to use isnt good

[ripe hornet]

I stand by that the bonuses should be basegame, and VRC+ only gives you a cute lil extra stamp/icon/thingy

[vocal shard]

lets do a guessing game of how much data it takes up to save a user's favorite avatars, 200 Bytes or so?

[sleek sparrow]

LOL

[ripe hornet]

Depends on how you store the data?

[vocal shard]

Stick to patreon. They would honestly have better luck getting money that way

[sleek sparrow]

fuck patreon

[ripe hornet]

I wanna support the devs, but I think either the price should be lower or the bonuses should be put into basegame

[whole flare]

patreon would ruin their professional image with investors. (And take a large cut to boot)

[umbral reef]

Ah yes
Im sure those investors would love if VRC used that third party company to store there money KEKW

[coarse grove]

patreon can die in a hole

[late adder]

all my homies hate patreon

[vocal shard]

well the like/dislike ratio on their video says otherwise, octane.

[final thunder]

i'll take 1,000,000 bytes for 100

[coarse grove]

greddy as fuck

[fiery lichen]

The first 3 seconds were enough

[ripe hornet]

OOTL, why is patreon so bad?

[final thunder]

dont forget the comments disabled

[coarse grove]

they take way too much of a cut for what they provide
it's a joke

[ionic fern]

They did a lot of oopsie, that i hear about patreon

[vocal shard]

exactly

[whole flare]

The like/dislike ratio means absolutely nothing. cuz we don't know what people are disliking for or if they're even real people.. for all we know those could be bots/spammers being assholes like every update

[umbral reef]

Ah yes the video that only elitism users watch and dislike shows it all!
Those 3K likes arent even 25% of the currently online userbase KEKW

[vocal shard]

so you support vrchat plus

[sleek sparrow]

people are disliking it cause its change. its just the whiny internet being whiny

[final thunder]

if only there was a way for people to say why on the video. almost like some kind of comments section

[sleek sparrow]

i do 100%

[vocal shard]

its not a change for better imo. just another reason for kids to want a sense of authority over others in the game

[whole flare]

you mean like the discord channels?

[sleek sparrow]

kids arent gonna be affording a 100$/year sub lol

[vocal shard]

but a 9.99/month sub, sure

[sleek sparrow]

what?

[whole flare]

why does everyone keep beinging in the 100$ sub?.. heck that's a discount on the 10$ monthly if you plan on getting it for a whole year..

[final thunder]

most users dont use the discord. ive personally left and rejoined this place like 20 times

[sleek sparrow]

what kind of 12 year olds you hang out with that pay for 10 dollar monthly subscriptions?

[vocal shard]

have you seen how many kids pay for fortnite passes

[umbral reef]

big number spooky
They use it to shit on the game without realizing it

[worthy oracle]

maybe there should be in game polls and feedback opportunities

[whole flare]

looks at all the kiddies with full discord nitro..

[fiery lichen]

This kind of sounds like you’re dismissing all criticism as “whining”

I agree it’s been a violent reaction but users have a right to criticize something they’re using

[vocal shard]

all im saying is i severely dislike the idea of a paywall for basic, bypassable functions.

[final thunder]

im just not sure why they disabled comments

[sleek sparrow]

so you are saying, dont buy this, hack the game instead?

[vocal shard]

it would unironically cost less labor to do so

[sleek sparrow]

thats like saying dont buy video games, just pirate them. is it not?

[whole flare]

paying for my food in the store is also a easy bypassable feature.. dun mean i should do it. cuz it's illegal. just like modding the client is to bypass said features

[final thunder]

yar. you are a pirate

[vocal shard]

well its more like you get a game, then the developer chooses to put a price on it later then gets mad if you want the same features

[sleek sparrow]

just because something CAN be free, doesnt mean it can, should or will be

[languid beacon]

Someone is running a survey https://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2020/11/vrchat-premium-survey.html

[vocal shard]

well dont start wondering why half of vrchat starts getting a modded client after this update

[worthy oracle]

I would have to agree with Milaco though. These features are things 3rd party can and have done for free. They should incorporate more original and not as easily by passable features.. but the idea of VRC+ itself I don’t know if I support much

[sleek sparrow]

we shouldnt be charging people for water or food either, but here we are

[coarse grove]

that comparison makes no sense

[final thunder]

half the game already does

[vocal shard]

that is not comparable to an online game

[coarse grove]

probably more around 75% tbh

[sleek sparrow]

the idea is you shouldnt be modding the game, so your point is moot milaco

[final thunder]

most of my friends do. they want me to too but i refuse out of pure pride

[vocal shard]

well this update is gonna ensure it up to around the 95%, anyone who is even mildly tech illiterate knows these little paywalls are bogus

[final thunder]

i want to stay pure and be a pillar of the community

[worthy oracle]

At this point, VRC devs should just hire the wholesome modding community. LOL

[vocal shard]

True

[sleek sparrow]

ok well im sorry your parents cant afford VRC+ for ya milaco lol

[coarse grove]

just integrate the cool stuff that certain fruits have to offer

[vocal shard]

like the custom user icons, okay. those are good. but everything else, such as basic favoriting functions are just.

[whole flare]

@vocal shard it's not even about the features. it's about supporting the game.. plenty of us are willing to spend some money on a game we spent literal thousands of hours on for free..

[vocal shard]

then why restrict features if you just want support

[whole flare]

the features are a thank you for supporting

[ionic fern]

I agree with Pokerface.

[vocal shard]

Hey anyone knows how to fix the index controller, the thumpstick blew out and the ribbon cable is out of the controller? xD

[sharp saddle]

Where's the poll though?

[coarse grove]

i'd love to send vrc a good 20$ their way for a single donation, but any subscriptions are a huge no to me

[vocal shard]

it would be support if it gave you no difference in how the game runs for you, but the fact it actively restricts you from features unless you support is what i dont like

[final thunder]

i dont use other peoples avatars so i have no argument with the favorite limit

[worthy oracle]

I actually wonder why some of the modding community haven’t been offered jobs. I’m sure most would be happy to work on the game officially.

[ripe hornet]

Same, when the news first came out I was ready to pounce on this shit 😎 but I believe these features should be base with only the badge being a reward for supporting.

[sleek sparrow]

i mean ill agree, i never understood why there were limits on favourites. why that stuff isnt stored locally i dont understand. but if thats how you wanna go with it, ill gladly pay for it cause its a useful feature

[whole flare]

they're not restricting features.. they're adding things.. just because some dickhead with a decompilor decided to hack the game doesn't mean it should be like that. it's bad for the longevity of the game. if they don't find a way to monitize in a few years they'll be out of funds and vrchat will be dead.. if they wanne make vrchat last in the years to come they gotta make an income somehow.

[ionic fern]

Well..... in other games they do... but it depends i guess.

[worthy oracle]

the team needs more devs and there are people that would be willing to take up on that position

[sleek sparrow]

maybe vrc cant afford new devs

[umbral reef]

Its extremely rare though.
Even in big games its rare for the devs to get hired fulltime

[vocal shard]

the favoriting thing is a restricted feature. there is no reason for them to restrict it unless theyre being greedy with server space, or they planned for this ahead and plan to force people to cough up money when they want basic things that should already be in the game

[sleek sparrow]

maybe this subscription would help fund new job positions

[ripe hornet]

Too many cooks, and all that. More devs =/= better game

[ionic fern]

Exactly. There's a lot of factors tho.

[languid beacon]

Really bad iframe if you scroll the top part where it says survey lol guess it’s a bad survey

[umbral reef]

So, the only thing they are preventing you from using is some small icon.
Please explain how the fuck thats anything bad?
Like what logic leaps do you need to make that you feel justified to also need that one icon option.

[sharp saddle]

Pfff. I thought it was a screenshot of the form or something.

[whole flare]

it's also not set to 1 per person so you can just keep resubmitting overand over again.

[vocal shard]

Favorites were limited from the start since many avatar and world creators were against the idea of having too many favorites harming the traffic to their world's. Before favorites, avatar worlds were much more complex and popular hubs

No, the custom icons are a great idea. thats one of the only things i like about vrchat plus. The rest is literally just "support us, or you dont get this"

[sleek sparrow]

so it sounds like when favourites were added, people hated the change, but eventually got over it? huh, sounds similar to what is happening now...

[whole flare]

good point.

[ionic fern]

And also having a lot of avatars in one hand and then asking yourself. " Do you really gonna use them all?"

[ripe hornet]

Concept: no bonuses for vrc+ except you get a folder of devs' pets pics

[umbral reef]

Literally the only thing locked behind the system is the icons
Everything else is still free KEKW
You not getting 100 spots instead just getting an still large as 25 spots is bad?
Thats even more entitled my dude

[whole flare]

i have 15 favorites that i use exactlly 1 avatar of.. all the others are just kind there for the meme.

[vocal shard]

all that went out the window as soon as the concept of money arrived, it seems.

[sleek sparrow]

yeah but custom icons are also a basic feature. what makes that ok to paywall but not favourites?

[umbral reef]

Worth 100 a year tho--

[sleek sparrow]

i mean, pretty much any site with an account system lets you have custom profile icons

[whole flare]

those pets better be damn cute.

[ripe hornet]

Nah thats underselling it. 1000 year, 100 month, 50 a month but you only get one pic

[ionic fern]

Like everybody. A lot have too many fav (13/15) just for the memes.

[vocal shard]

because its not a restricted feature, rather a brand new one. Favorites were always bypassable, some would argue its even a normal thing to do; just like modding beat saber for more music.

[ionic fern]

2 or more maybe for your personal taste.

[abstract elk]

bro that's not enough

[ripe hornet]

I wish the survey had the option for "add bonuses to basegame and only add a badge reward" lmao

[vocal shard]

I never use favorites, so I never saw a need for an increase

[heady salmon]

Imagine only going to an avatar world to grab one avatar and then leaving, rather than exploring it and hanging out in it like any other world.

[abstract elk]

1000$ a month or nothing

[whole flare]

except that in beatsaber modding the game can't potentially get your account stolen and they officially support it. it's not against their rules to do so.

[vocal shard]

This is the end of VRChat

[umbral reef]

Because its not needed for the game. Its an extra. The idea of subscription is that unless you use the game so much that you 'need' to express yourself you dont get it.
You can survive without a problem with 25 favorites. 100 is for the power users.
You dont need to change your looks of stuff, power users might want to pay for that.

[vocal shard]

Regardless of the perks, please dont pretend there isnt gonna be a sudden surge of entitled pricks who have a high and mighty status because of dumb badge on their name now

[heady salmon]

ok doomerman06969

[sleek sparrow]

but every other account system in the world has custom icons for free. why are you giving vrchat a pass on that one? are you saying its ok to have EXCLUSIVE paid features, but not additional improvements to free features?

[umbral reef]

Bruh- Look at this discord, people are entilted as fuck even without the rank

[ionic fern]

Yeah, but not everybody are made to make avatars. Its like movie, not everybody can make movies. Its pretty understandable. But again, yeah, having a limits is for a good reasons.

[vocal shard]

Yeah well, way to make it worse.

The supporter badge is hidden in your profile. not on your nameplate

[whole flare]

@sleek sparrow because they're for your nameplate only. they're frankly more obstructive then to not have them in same cases..

[umbral reef]

Id argue it would be earlier the other way around.
People like in this discord shitting on people actually supporting this game

[sleek sparrow]

a lot of world devs would argue favourites are not needed for the game and are an extra

[halcyon ledge]

If I had a nickel for every time literally any update came out and people came crawling out of the woodworks saying "Oh no this is the end of VRChat"

[vocal shard]

I'm just glad rank colours are gone

[umbral reef]

Well im semi on there side with that. Favorites are nice, avatar cloning can be thrown into the trash.

[whole flare]

people will find something to be entitled over. whether vrc adds something or not. that's just pricks being pricks.

[ripe hornet]

What if the "favourite avatar" was removed and replaced with the ability to quick select avatar worlds without scrolling the worlds tab?

[umbral reef]

🙏 Praise the lord

[vocal shard]

I have no issue supporting the game, hell ive actually considered giving them a few bucks myself. But practically forcing people to in order for them to gain a higher status is just a cash grab to me

[whole flare]

you'd be a millionaire.

[heady salmon]

Acedia with the big brain 'this happens with any game that gets updates'.

[vocal shard]

It's not a higher status though

[sleek sparrow]

i agree. there is no need to be upset. people are complaining about it today, but once the feature is out nobody is gonna care

[vocal shard]

It's not a new rank or anything

[sleek sparrow]

it just sounds bad because the vocal minority is making its rounds

[vocal shard]

Thats what you think. wait till its actually a thing, and every argument will have atleast one "yeah will i have vrchat plus loser lmao" @vocal shard

[whole flare]

that already exists if you scroll further down your avatar list.

[umbral reef]

Bruh- The trust system boost is extremely minimal.
You dont get given an higher rank, you get an slight boost and will prob not even rank up

Stop making up new whacky idea's as to why you dislike the system.
Say the price sucks and should be lower like everyone has so far and be done

[summer dew]

The only thing I'm upset about is no custom icons, but from the video it looks like you can hide icons in general? I'll probably just end up doing that and pretending it doesn't exist.

[clever sandal]

Where are the good Youtubers that use VR-chat? I searched for Second Life and found art, book clubs, debate, building creativity and exploring; then I searched for VR-chat and it was almost exclusive trolling, screak grief, profanities and just childish things. Is there any worlds in VR-Chat that allow you to explore museums, art galleries or 3D scanned archeological sites as you can in Sansar?

[sleek sparrow]

i mean, people already make fun of grey or even blue name tags milaco

[vocal shard]

exactly, thats another thing i dont like

[final thunder]

were playing vrchat. we are all losers

[vocal shard]

This same fear happened when ranks were first added. Many were scared that trusted users would be elitist. And while it was memed a bit, that quickly died off

it just creates seperation among the community. Literally calling out the new from old, and supporters from non supporters

[halcyon ledge]

If someone is pretending to be superior because they have VRC+ then they would have just as quickly pretended they were special over something else instead. It's a people problem not a game problem

[whole flare]

they're litterally trying to hide user rankings from other players more with this update.. they know the ranking is a bad thing but it's a neccecary evil. they're not gonna add more ranks after already having removed some due to backlash

[vocal shard]

oh trust me, its still veeeerry much a thing.

[ripe hornet]

Wait what-
All I see is "Whats hot" and "Random" ?

[vocal shard]

it hasnt died off one bit. whatsoever

[fervent gale]

Can't wait for people begging for vrc +

[sleek sparrow]

but people do that anyways and will continue to do that anyways. not sure how that argument is meaningful

[vocal shard]

But colour ranks are gone now. So no more having that displayed on your nameplate

[whole flare]

you've got some real toxic friends then.

[rugged thorn]

I still see new players hate trusted users or say something like "Oh. A purple name"

[vocal shard]

We all have the same colour now

[umbral reef]

There are places like that out there, they are hard to find and often fall away quickly.
I dont have a list anymore of pog worlds to visit but there are real world meseums ingame, selfmade ones, insanely compelx visuals worlds, adventure maps and more.
Just gotta find them with the whack search system.

Actually it might be best to see if you can join one of the world creator communities and ask around there.
Those guys are really pog and will be happy to share some top tier worlds with ya

[vocal shard]

color ranks are gone? since when?

[rugged thorn]

It will be the same thing but with people who have vrc+ blatantly on their profile this time

[vocal shard]

This update

[north willow]

You spell color funny

[vocal shard]

Oh thank god. one step for good.

[final thunder]

cause hes from the uk

[obsidian salmon]

the vrchat plus stuff wont take away stuff it already has and put it under a paywall right?... thats my only fear really.

[north willow]

[sleek sparrow]

you mean he spells colour properly?

[vocal shard]

too bad it just got replaced by a "I PAID" stamped onto your avatar though

[nimble crest]

I have nearly 2k hours in vrc, I've been looking forward to supporting them for a long time since it's one of my favourite games, but I'm a little let down by the price to features ratio :( I think if they dropped the price by at least $5 I might look into it a bit more, but in it's current state with the lacking of features I'm not sure...

[vocal shard]

Replaces the nameplate colours so we all have the same nameplate, but plus accounts can have an icon for like clans and stuff

[golden scaffold]

The nameplates will only differentiate friends (yellow name) and non-friends (white name)

[clever sandal]

It is speller clouur.

[whole flare]

no.

[near ether]

@summer dew you can upload any picture/icon you want through the website which is also higher quality. IMO the in game quality from the camera that takes a picture for it is horrible

[final thunder]

actually guys its spelled culur

[vocal shard]

I mean, seems like we took one step forward with no more colored names, and one step backward again with the vrchat plus stuff

[summer dew]

Non VRC+ can do that?

[sleek sparrow]

no the profile icons are a new vrc+ exclusive feature

[vocal shard]

again, just another unnecessary paywall and community division.

[rugged thorn]

Doesn't it use webgl

[summer dew]

That's what I thought

[near ether]

no, but you mentioned not being able to have custom icons. You can, but you'd need VRC+. At least I was replying to what you wrote earlier.

[summer dew]

Yeah I was saying no custom icons for base users

[clever sandal]

@final thunder as in O-culur Qoset?

[rugged thorn]

Seems they literally took the custom icons from Chillout but put it under a paywall

[near ether]

If it was available for base users then we'd have the issue of the current situation where 10$ is already too much to ask for for just 75 extra slots.

[final thunder]

exactly

[vocal shard]

^ thats right too, 10 dollars is way too much for the perks imo.

[near ether]

I don't agree with it one bit either. But that's why there's a post on the canny to lower the price AT THE VERY LEAST

[summer dew]

I feel like they should've advertised it as more of a way to support the game rather than a premium subscription thing.

[alpine kestrel]

Why can’t it just be a one time payment of like $30?

[proper tendon]

I'm actually a bit concerned that this is going to go the way of Fallout First, where going to a public world with it displayed that you paid for VRC+ will be equivalent to walking around with a sign that says harrass me/crash me.

[sharp saddle]

They did. 👀

[final thunder]

can we all agree that it was silly for them to add no custom rank pictures to tos and then now they are ok with it as long as you pay?

[vocal shard]

EXACTLY

[sleek sparrow]

its better to make it high now so that its justifiable when they do add more features. if they make it lower than raise it, it will just cause more complaints

[rugged thorn]

Since they're adding VRC+, they might as well take the game out of early access. It's going to be there indefinitely anyways.

[summer dew]

That's not how I interpreted it at least, idk

[vocal shard]

Vrchat plus is, mark my words, going to create another round of stupid community division.

[ripe hornet]

Could do Classic vs New like discord and humblebundle have

[summer dew]

I only play with a few friends anyway so it's no big deal for me

[sleek sparrow]

sounds overly complicated kenan

[summer dew]

Public worlds are scary

[near ether]

Also since trust rank is still shown (when you press your quick menu, you'll see it above people)

[sleek sparrow]

you make too many payment options and it just makes people more upset

[near ether]

I don't think it will change people's opinions of different trust levels.

[whole flare]

and it's gonna be over in a month just like last time.

[final thunder]

can i pay them in gum?

[sleek sparrow]

yep

[static flax]

this

[vocal shard]

The nameplate color crap is still not over

[sleek sparrow]

says you. i barely see it if at all

[static flax]

Literally no one cares about the name plates in any lobby im in, gone in as both trusted and user

[worthy oracle]

y’all really care that much about ranks on this game? there’s issues scoping far past a simple color system

[halcyon ledge]

I've yet to see someone unironically care about a nameplate color

[vocal shard]

When I join a public world such as room of the rain or great pug, first thing that I hear is usually some people arguing about newfags and oldfags

[whole flare]

that's just cuz your friends are toxic. not a single world i've been to in the last month have i ever heard anyone even mention nameplates or ranking in any other context then people explaining visitors they need at least new user to be able to upload stuff..

[proper tendon]

@vocal shard As for trust ranks being no longer displayed, that's probably a good thing for the game, but who do I talk to about trying to get friends back to being a different color from everyone else? Because that was actually a good feature.

[hearty wyvern]

Hah yeah, ones that extend outside the game too...

[summer dew]

Friends are yellow, it was just said

[worthy oracle]

for some people yeah- lol

[sharp saddle]

I'm almost always in a Pug and I've rarely heard anyone complain about trust ranks.

[whole flare]

friends are displayed in yellow like always.

[wooden bison]

i think the writing is yellow

[sleek sparrow]

thats a good point allen. are friends still distinct from other users? that was nice

[final thunder]

all i know is if its a kid voice. thats an instant block from me

[vocal shard]

If it wasnt bad with just being able to get a rank for free, wait till its paid

[clever sandal]

I have not looked into VRC+ but there should always be a "Payment info on file", it is that you confirm that your account is connected to a permanent payment method, this remove trolls that make one day accounts from getting some powers. Then there should be monthly and annual premium accounts. And some VIP accounts for folk that is known to be nice and often create good and free content.

[harsh star]

teehee wrong place for me

[heady salmon]

Ok, MilaToxico

[vocal shard]

How am i being toxic

[whole flare]

wouldn't really be possible because payments go through stream, vrc doesn't handle the payment info.

[worthy oracle]

vip accounts? idk, unless there’s a user rating system introduced but idk about that dude

[sleek sparrow]

please explain how you think you arent being toxic milaco

[sharp saddle]

Ayyy, Nin.

[vocal shard]

im explaining why i dislike the idea of an unnecessary paywall

[polar jasper]

It's not a paywall though =/

[worthy oracle]

Hey there!

[sleek sparrow]

you came in here, started whining about vrc+, making up reasons that are non issues, being hypocritical in your arguments...

[rugged thorn]

It's not even worth 10$ a month, and it's barely even worth 5$. It shouldn't auto boost you to trusted, and locking a thing like custom fucking nameplate pictures behind a paywall is just ridiculous. I would understand if it was a gif, like how discord nitro does it, but no. ChilloutVR's nameplate picture system is wayyy better. You can upload a picture when you want to the website, and not have to hoard pictures in game, etc. I wonder when VRChat will stop blatantly stealing other people and other games' features.

[scenic sage]

so supporting the devs is a unnecessary paywal i dont think so atleast

[vocal shard]

try to favorite 16+ avatars without coughing up money buddy

[proper tendon]

Oh, Hi Phax.

[final thunder]

it auto boosts you to trusted???

[sleek sparrow]

tsukasa, you can upload custom images, says so on the announcement blog

[static flax]

it's literally increasing to 25 for every player my dude

[polar jasper]

Sure, let me just boot up my API tool and load my infinite fav list.

[whole flare]

who said it boosted you to trusted?.. based on what tupper said it might not even be enough of a boost to get someone out of visitor status in one go.

[worthy oracle]

No one said anything about it boosting you to trusted.

[vocal shard]

exactly phaxe. See? exactly my point

[summer dew]

Someone said earlier it's like 100% trust XP vs 110% trust XP

[sleek sparrow]

he was being sarcastic. hacking aint cool milaco

[worthy oracle]

no one even knows how trust xp truly even works

[rugged thorn]

"Increased Trust — You’re supporting us, so we’ll support you. Enjoy a little boost to your Trust level."

[summer dew]

They kept it vague intentionally to avoid exploits

[umbral reef]

It doesnt auto boost you- Thats an lie people keep saying. (It only boosts you a tiny bit, not full ranks).
Why is locking it behind a paywall bad? It limits an option for people to upload even more bad things and doesnt limit anything related to the game. Get an avatar made that just has its own overlay on the nameplate then if its soooo bad.

[vocal shard]

it isnt. but do you really think people are gonna want to pay to get more favorite avatars? no.

[faint horizon]

10$ a month for bragging rights

[sleek sparrow]

yeah it took me like 300 friends and 500 hours to get a green nameplate, and others got it in less time and friends according to online

[vocal shard]

also exactly my point

[summer dew]

I mean it's nice that free users are also getting a slight increase in favorite slots

[polar jasper]

But you're not paying to get more? They are already upping it from 16.

[sharp saddle]

[static flax]

if you need more then 25 slots to begin with you might have a problem

[clever sandal]

@whole flare If you sign up with VRC account they could just add a payment check as an option, and if you enter a valid card that passes a transfer check, then you could be a USER faster.

[summer dew]

I have 3

[jolly ether]

It's $10 a month to support the developers. Anything else is just a bonus.

[static flax]

100 is without a doubt overkill

[hearty wyvern]

Tbh ppl pay $2000 in genshin for bragging rights ayylmao

[proper tendon]

Honestly I think the increase to 25 sounds perfect anyway. 16 always felt too low, but more than 25 seems like more than I'd want.

[sleek sparrow]

im gonna pay for the 100 but i agree, 25 is more than enough. probably wont use that many lol

[worthy oracle]

So it seems as if it’s teased a messaging system is coming to the game as a VRC+ feature. Thoughts?

[final thunder]

lucklets. how do they even cope?

[whole flare]

System specifically mentioned they don't WANT to handle payment data for security reaons.

[faint horizon]

Gacha game

[vocal shard]

It would be support if it didnt change your game. Its a vip subscription when it gives you anything extra.

[rugged thorn]

I'm talking about how you upload an image, and it goes into a library of pictures. It should just let you upload a picture like how discord a CVR does.

[sleek sparrow]

100 almost lets me have every single touhou character on speed dial. almost.

[hearty wyvern]

Large amounts of copium

[sharp saddle]

From what I heard, it's more custom invites than messages.

[umbral reef]

Who says they wont add that in the future, the system just got released.

[final thunder]

rev up those fryers! i need me a big honkin copeburger

[sleek sparrow]

you get 64 icon slots. do you need more than 64 profile pics?

[rugged thorn]

I don't think they're going to do that when they've already implemented a specific system for that

[worthy oracle]

Ah. See, a feature like that should just be in base game though.. idk. VRC+ fishy but I’ll buy a month to support and get early supporter

[sleek sparrow]

im surprised thats even a feature. even i dont change my discord image THAT often

[faint horizon]

Who says they wont add that in the future, the system just got released.
@umbral reef They got a load of bugs they still haven't fixed

[wooden bison]

I would if it was cheaper but i can't spend that with my current stance just like a lot of others

[sharp saddle]

Yep, same. Re-sub when there's more to chew.

[summer dew]

Photo invites is what it was explained as, probably like take a screenshot and send it to someone like a postcard kind of thing

[umbral reef]

And they have an money printing machine right?

[ripe hornet]

LMAO SERIOUSLY? i cant wait to see what people do with it. Stopmotion stuff?

[proper tendon]

I once talked with a friend how an in-game message/call feature would be nice to have.

[rugged thorn]

I don't see icon slots as necessary, I'm just saying that you should just be able to upload one picture and go to the site and change it when you want, NOT have a library of images.

[faint horizon]

Yes

[sleek sparrow]

you cant do that. its just to quick change profile icons. did you not read the announcement?

[hearty wyvern]

I'm just sad that they're running low on funds after the last round of investors :(

[worthy oracle]

I honestly don’t doubt that the modding community will find a way to grant themselves free subscriptions. To be honest.

[vocal shard]

Oh yeah, and last thing. Didnt vrchat get investors to support them? Why do they need to do this in the first place

[rugged thorn]

Because they ran out of that money @vocal shard

[static flax]

Money doesnt last forever, despite what some people may think

[sleek sparrow]

milaco, the point of investing is to make a RETURN on your investment

[vocal shard]

If the modding community didnt have a reason to mess with the game, they definitely have one now.

[sharp saddle]

As Tupper said: "it's lending with benefits".

[proper tendon]

Because investors like to get money back on their investments.

[final thunder]

tupper actually explained this earlier

[whole flare]

they're not running low yet. this is just future proofing to ensure they don't end up running low and then having to scramble and potentially fail.

[hearty wyvern]

Yeah they only had a little under 10 million I think

[whole flare]

reminder that investments aren't just free money though. they're basically loans. they gotta pay that money back somehow someday.

[rugged thorn]

The worst part about VRC+ is they are releasing this, and still haven't bothered to fix a lot of things in the game. If you won't fix things, why do you expect people will support you? It really just seems like a big "Fuck you" to the community.

[hearty wyvern]

You may be right, you may be wrong :0

[hollow blaze]

why don't they just set up a donation system for people who want to help and not lock features behind a paywall

the "benefits" aren't even that great,buying trust rank already sounds bad,and they knew they'd be under fire for this.

[vocal shard]

Ill just see how this plays out. Wont be surprised if it backfires horribly

[worthy oracle]

I wouldn’t see it that way necessarily but I agree.

[clever sandal]

@whole flare They do not need to handle payment data, it is like a one time lookup that basses through your bank. You send 1 usd to VRC and they return it, when they get a message that they got the money and could return it a payment method is just verified. VRC will not have any bank information and the information they have will not be of any use for a hacker.

[sleek sparrow]

some of us dont have issues like you seem to think tuskasa.

[static flax]

Doesn't matter if they're great, If you want to spend money just for the features you're giving money for the wrong reason

[vocal shard]

"it doesnt happen on my machine haha"

[sharp saddle]

Already been debunked. It's not paying for ranks it's just a freebie XP boost the same as uploading an avatar/world.

[umbral reef]

Nah he aint wrong, most funding C money goes towards preparing a company for scaling up.
Hiring more people, making sure the game has any form of income (doesnt need to make profit yet) and has core systems like udon and Av3.

[crisp lake]

I mean look at the game right now as we speak. Every public world I've been into for the last 3 hours has been crashing nearly nonstop. It's crazy to think VRChat is ready to be monetized

[rugged thorn]

If anything this is just a way to discourage people from supporting the game. but I guess it's only targeted to people who consume other people's content, with the avatar slots increase.

[vocal shard]

vrchat is awfully unstable in my experience too. so i agree

[winged sand]

Just tossing this out there, but I've been trying to re-find this really cute world that was like a cardboard blanket and pillow fort that I thought I saved but apparently didn't. It had some little games, a movie theatre, and like, hidden Among Us plushies.

[sleek sparrow]

"haha i crash so bad game"

[next dune]

Because people always want something for in return. Prop they already have a donation button somewhere we don't know about.

[rugged thorn]

It's crazy how long VRC has been in early access.

[final thunder]

dont even get me started about the prop malfunctions in worlds like the black cat

[sharp saddle]

I think you're looking for "TheFort" or something.

[vocal shard]

yes exactly. that is literally the definition of a bad game

[worthy oracle]

There’s many issues past crashing but it does require time to fix these things. Let’s hope time is used wisely.

[crisp lake]

It's not just a me issue, you can ask a ton of people in any world you join. In particular today has been really bad for the game and the servers.

[static flax]

I literally haven't crashed in over a year, you guys okay?

[hollow blaze]

and like I said @sharp saddle there are other ways to monetize,and knowing a good chunk of the VRC community I can highly expect a bunch of trolls coming to harass people that have the little tag,VRC lacks a lot of QOL as well that if modders can make possible with clients,the VRC team should be able to as well,there are more goods than bads here,maybe if they made the price a bit more reasonable.

[sleek sparrow]

stupid question but did you check recent worlds?

[heady salmon]

or bad user generated content...

[faint horizon]

I literally haven't crashed in over a year, you guys okay?
@static flax You must've been blessed by holy water

[final thunder]

go to public room of the rain for 10 minutes

[static flax]

Again? Sure

[sleek sparrow]

"haha i crash, so that means everyone crashes and the game is the problem"

[worthy oracle]

That’s what happens when you sit in a private instance for a year.

[vocal shard]

Try to turn on avatars and use vr for over an hour. major slow downs, freezes or a crash is guaranteed

[sharp saddle]

Huge. Mistake. Like going to the Void Club as a Visitor.

[hearty wyvern]

VRchat will always be unstable due to the nature of it being mostly user generated content

[sleek sparrow]

lol i play for 8 hours straight with 20+ avatars in a room. you sure the game is the issue?

[hearty wyvern]

To a degree

[rugged thorn]

Half the people on the game upgraded to monster computers JUST TO RUN VRCHAT. The fact that people have to do that to even have a moderately enjoyable experience is upsetting. It's not like VRC is a hyper modern game with crazy graphics.

[vocal shard]

"Hundreds of people crash but because the rate is not 100%, the problem is not existent haha"

[static flax]

Yeah don't be stupid. Block avatar features by default. I only load materials and voice usually on most players

[final thunder]

i stopped going to public worlds after my avatar kept getting force changed into an alien or an apple

[polar jasper]

As long as people don't optimize their content yeah

[wooden bison]

do you have a fire gaming rig cuz i got a laptop :p

[winged sand]

@sharp saddle it isn't letting me reply for some reason but I'll take a look for that world name, thanks a ton!
@sleek sparrow i haven't been in there for a hot minute and I world hop a lot. ):

[whole flare]

i spent 4hours+ in a session with over 25 people last night and only 1 person in that entire room got disconnected. and that wasn't even the game that was just her internet dying.

[sleek sparrow]

i load ALL avatars, no crashes

[vocal shard]

That wouldnt be a problem if they focused more on preventing crashes rather than deploying a paywall

[static flax]

It's good, not great but good.

[hearty wyvern]

Which happens a LOT lol. Especially with avatars.

[sleek sparrow]

maybe yall just need better computers?

[final thunder]

oh boy do i got some people you should meet. they have avatars that if you load them at all, you are gone

[polar jasper]

That's not the problem.

[vocal shard]

2080, i9

[worthy oracle]

You are simping for VRChat so hard it’s actually hilarious.

[static flax]

Literally nothing to do with what I said. You can avoid crashes by not loading so much stuff at once. If people don't optimize their models to make the game run better, do it yourself

[heady salmon]

My computer isnt even that good and I've only ever crashed once in my year of playing.

[rugged thorn]

Haha lol upgrade from your pc that can run most games to a near NASA computer just to run some horribly optimized vr game hahaha!! lol

[gloomy monolith]

better computers dont help the fact that people have avatars that literally break unity to the point a supercomputer couldnt handle it

[hearty wyvern]

Throwing more.power at a problem is the equivalent of throwing more money at a problem, it won't always fix the issue

[crisp lake]

They won't give you VRChat+ for free bro, don't simp.

[vocal shard]

"it doesnt happen on my machine, so the problem is non-existent haha"

[hollow blaze]

is nobody here really going to suggest the VRC team actually pushes some QOL updates at the very damn least,modders make that seem incredibly easy with clients,why can't the VRC team just put the normal QOL stuff and leave out the toxic stuff?

[sleek sparrow]

i9 is your problem, that series of intel has terrible heat issues. surprised your computer doesnt crash

[rugged thorn]

Do you guys ever wonder why most other vr games run so well?

[polar jasper]

People making unoptimized content don't understand how the game rendering works.

[static flax]

This

[sleek sparrow]

"it happens on my machine, so the problem isnt me haha"

[crisp lake]

People have been suggesting and even offering QOL fixes for ages, they just get silenced and even banned by the moderation team.

[gloomy monolith]

im pretty sure 30+% of that unoptimized content is anime avatars

[vocal shard]

only the macbooks had issues because they used passive cooling on a high watt chip. I have liquid cooling never goes above 140 F

[hollow blaze]

that sounds incredibly unfortunate @crisp lake why do they do this?

[hearty wyvern]

Those ppl usually dip and go to NeosVR or another platform instead

[worthy oracle]

I’ve never seen someone simp for VRChat this hard before

[hollow blaze]

^

[vocal shard]

^

[static flax]

Interesting, have any proof of that?

[rugged thorn]

Imagine if they made their own fixed dynamic bones script, optimized the hitching of avatars loading in, and optimized instances running horribly the more people are in it. Maybe the game would run better?

[umbral reef]

Up that number to like 90% and your more on track

[crisp lake]

Good question, you'd have to ask them about it. Good luck not getting warned or banned though. 🤷‍♀️

[final thunder]

people hanging out in private and friends servers saying "i havent been crashed"

[vocal shard]

^^^^

[hollow blaze]

@crisp lake I will and if I'm gone then you'll know why

[worthy oracle]

It’s literally just one guy saying he doesn’t crash

[proper tendon]

People hang out in private and friend servers so that they won't get crashed.

[vocal shard]

"im in a chat full of people saying they crash, but i dont? guess the problem doesnt exist haha"

[sleek sparrow]

im not simping for vr chat, its just i see these exact same complaints on other games that are supposedly better optimized, but people still say its the game's fault first, and not their own

[polar jasper]

If dynamic bones is ever going to be good for a game like this, it has to utilize new tech in Unity. Job System and Burst.

[final thunder]

and theres the problem.

[heady salmon]

I've never been in a private world and my computer isn't even that good, only ever been crashed once in a lil over a year. so

[faint horizon]

My game closed, but I didn't crash 🤡

[clever sandal]

I may be very annoying in VRC for many, I will test VRC+ just for I I had some fun in VR-chat and think they do a great job, but then I use a Oculus Quest with a USB-C 3.0 cable I can not use my voice due to a bug.

[umbral reef]

No cap- If you guys act this way ingame like you guys do in this chat its not odd you get crashed
Shit id be tempted to do that stuff myself then kekw

[hearty wyvern]

I mean I very rarely crash at all, but I know for sure others do have plenty of issues.

[hollow blaze]

@proper tendon then it's really as simple as turning off shaders and custom animations,if that's not enough hide the avatar,not that difficult.

[whole flare]

the modders make them look easy because they have no concern for the logevity and expandability of the UI. they just hardcode stuff in there and be done with it. which will just break stuff in the long run if the game actually plans to expand on that.. and the majority of QOL stuff people keep asking for is all related to UI.. the thing is that they're working on a complete UI rework. at which point it'd be a waste of resources to make people add those things into the existing UI only to have it replaced later again.

[worthy oracle]

crashing happens from time to time. or sometimes more often cause of others or exploits. it’s apart of the game. it’s a part of many of the issues that exist within VRChat

[sleek sparrow]

so im at the point where i have a hard time believing the issue isnt between the chair and keybaord

[worthy oracle]

I don’t crash much either. But to say you don’t is straight cap

[vocal shard]

Its a big enough issue that people use it as a damn weapon. if thats enough to tell you that its the game, then idk what is dude

[hearty wyvern]

Kek

[final thunder]

yes i would like a war on client users please and thank you

[hollow blaze]

@whole flare then why not at least try to put in some individual options like lowering specific player's voices and etc,it's been bloody 4 years and they haven't done something as simple as that?

[heady salmon]

Bruh. Ya'll just gonna keep arguing all day. This is what people do for fun these days?

[static flax]

Literally hide their avatar and they can't crash you. It's actually that simple

[gleaming hill]

I got a Valve Index and its less laggy than using Oculus Link was

[hollow blaze]

@static flax not even just turn off custom animations

[umbral reef]

@sleek sparrow All these Layer 8 problems

[static flax]

Exactly

[final thunder]

yep just hide everyone. thatll fix it.

[vocal shard]

"disable the main appeal of the game so it doesnt crash man"

[proper tendon]

I'm watching this chat for fun while I grind a mobile game, so yes?

[static flax]

Literally turn off aniamtions and shaders. You can still see models

[worthy oracle]

Exploits exist that cause users to crash, and not cause of avatars.

[umbral reef]

@heady salmon I got payed up untill 8 minutes ago to do so
But at the same time, im about to leave because of that so

[vocal shard]

"you cant crash if you dont run the game, infact."

[final thunder]

the problem is when you are hanging out and someone loads into the world that instantly crashes anyone that oads it in at all

[faint horizon]

Lmao

[worthy oracle]

Also, this is besides the RAM leak that happens from time to time on VRC

[static flax]

People keep telling me that but no one can show me it happening. Can you?

[heady salmon]

That's kinda sad, ya'll.

[final thunder]

ive explained it to you already that there are avatars that if you see them at all. shaders or not. you are gone

[rugged thorn]

80% of the time it is NOT unoptimized avatars lagging you, and if it is it's dynamic bone collisions from different avatars stacking up and lagging you. A lot of the time you will still run horribly if there's a lot of people even with avatars blocked. You may not crash alot, but you will still lag. Stop instantly blaming it on people's avatars, even if it is that, it is usually just avatars stacking and lagging. The game is unoptimized. It is usually NOT the community's fault for that. Stop bootlicking and use common sense.

[vocal shard]

god dont even get me started on the horrendous VRAM leak

[worthy oracle]

Do you even play the game? Lmao. Objects can be abused for example. There’s many ways and udon worlds have even more exploits, like teleport all and etc

[sleek sparrow]

yeah there isnt any way to prove it. people just like to assume its hackers. there are some fancy shmancy avatars that can make you lag out and crash, but thats different

[static flax]

Same deal, do you have any videos or something of this? I'd love to see it

[hollow blaze]

@static flax I suppose you must be protected by gods hand to not have experienced that happen to you EVER

[final thunder]

i can show it to you

[vocal shard]

7 GB on an empty lobby with a 20 MB world nice one guys