vrchat-general-2

[copper niche]

and i already sent bucketloads of crash dumps

[covert herald]

Oh

[languid beacon]

lol i'm phantom touch AF but I feel like a lot of people fake it like, saying getting stabbed is painful and stuff they need to go to bed

[clear warren]

Oh sick it's such a different feeling it's really weird and surprising

[covert herald]

@copper niche, do you play in VR or Desktop?

[grand zenith]

There are a lot of fakes out there yeah

[copper niche]

vr

[grand zenith]

I do not have it tho

[covert herald]

Have you tried Desktop, and if yes, does it crash just the same?

[clear warren]

My girlfriend trailed her finger all the way down from my chest to my crotch area so tell me that shits fake

[languid beacon]

I gotta say, I don't hate it

[clear warren]

I swear it's not

It's different

[languid beacon]

phatom touch is a wonderful gift

[mellow palm]

I dont know if I have it

[grand zenith]

I'd like to have it

[mellow palm]

need to get vr first so see if I do

[grand zenith]

adds so much more to emersion

[clear warren]

Indeed but what I've got so far is n't near scientific but what I think phantom touch comes from is you want to feel it so bad that your body emphasizes it therefore you do feel it in your brain

[mellow palm]

I mean my brain has miracilous imagination and can repeat pretty much every sensation I get but I dont know if that applies to seeing getting touched in vr

[rough pulsar]

If that's true then why do people also feel unwanted sensations?

[covert herald]

@rough pulsar, because the brain is a complex piece of nonsensical reactions

[languid beacon]

I don't feel any negative sensations. If phantom touch makes me uncomfortable it's simply because of who is causing it rather than what they are causing. Lol

[spice gull]

[clear warren]

None of y'all straight men know how erotic it is to be domed by a woman

[mellow palm]

Bruh

[clear warren]

XD

[mellow palm]

Imagine being straight smfh

[languid beacon]

I can feel the heat of a well-made VR fire but it won't burn or hurt, i just feel the heat from sparks and stuff like that

[clear warren]

Ikr

[trim oracle]

for those of us with 0 phantom touch, we could survive the Matrix

[grand zenith]

Imagine assuming I ain't straight

[languid beacon]

it's all in your head

[rough pulsar]

Imagine talking about that stuff in a discord with #rules like #1 or #4

[trim oracle]

maybe you're jsut phantom straight Meliodas

[grand zenith]

I'm generally straight XD I don't even have phantom touch

[clear warren]

Oup sorry

[languid beacon]

i'm ace /shrug

[clear warren]

I didn't mean it like that I meant it like she was the man in the relationship

[mellow palm]

If phantom.touch is completely in your head can you intentionally aquire it?

[covert herald]

No

[languid beacon]

I don't think so. Actually the more I use VR the more phantom touch seems to be fading away

[mellow palm]

hmm

[languid beacon]

It was very pronoucned when I first got VR

[grand zenith]

Simple brain tricking you

but once you get used to it you realize what is reality.

[mellow palm]

I can recreate any sensation by replaying it like a tape recorder but I doubt that would be of help

[rough pulsar]

Probably related to how the brain handles sensations relating to body ownership

[cedar rose]

phantom touch is about mindset for me

[rough pulsar]

There was research into it (rubber hand experiment) which gave some insight into the subject.

[clear warren]

There is nothing more wholesome than just hugging your significant other for an hour 😍

[cedar rose]

i'm more likely to feel it stronger around people i'm willing to feel it from

[mellow palm]

feazy do be flexxing

[grand zenith]

ikr xd

[mellow palm]

thats cringe ngl

[covert herald]

To simulate the Phantom touch, look at the TeslaSuit, it's supposed to have some pretty decent Haptic feedback

[languid beacon]

when i first got VR it wasn't only touch, it was also temperature and texture, if it were raining, i'd feel a damp draft, i'd feel heat from a campfire. that stuff doesn't happen much anymore. now only touch is left, if i see my avatar being touched in a mirror, i'll feel it myself

[cedar rose]

interesting

[mellow palm]

What was your first vr headset?

[languid beacon]

Oculus CV1

[clear warren]

Yes flexing I do

[mellow palm]

hmm

[clear warren]

But it's hard not to when you have such an amazing person by your side

[grand zenith]

I mean, It's your person

[mellow palm]

You really trying to make us all jealous dont you

[grand zenith]

Not ours. So i don't think people would appreciate it when it has nothing to do with them or the conversation xD

[clear warren]

Sorry

[rough pulsar]

Hmm, I wonder if the lower resolution and overall graphical fidelity of the older HMDs & software gave more of a 'gap' in the overall perception for the brain to attempt to fill, and as the HMDs are better now but (especially in VRC) the graphics just aren't that's reducing the 'need' to fill in the blanks?

[clear warren]

Last night I was harassed for being a femboy XD

[grand zenith]

Personal opinion Flexing anything related to VR stuff when most people are sitting in their home looking at thicc anime girls when you could do something great outside with your life, future and happiness doesn't really count as a flex to me xD

[cedar rose]

People in vrchat are too caught up on gender

[clear warren]

And then the duo that was harassing me had the audacity to walk up and try to ask my girlfriend for her socials

XD

[vocal shard]

Hugging is so great ;-;

[languid beacon]

the best aproximation to phantom touch i can find is, point your own finger at your cheek, just below your eye. don't actually touch your cheek, just hover it about half a cm away. you can feel the proximity. that's phantom touch. except anywhere on your body

[vocal shard]

Wow too much 4 me

[cedar rose]

I'm just tryna chill I don't need to be called a man just for having a masculine voice, thanks

[ruby tiger]

what about the feeling when somebody hovers a finger between your eyes

[clear warren]

Nicole I feel your pain

[grand zenith]

Meanwhile I'm just one of the rare cases where I find people online to be such snowflakes these days getting triggered by anything and everything making you unable to even be free to talk or do whatever you want online xD I miss last decade internet

[covert herald]

I'm a firm believer of VRChat being a place where you can be whatever you wish, that's surely the whole point of it right?

[cedar rose]

Yeah

[grand zenith]

@covert herald Thats the point of VR

[novel saddle]

internet people will always be quick to judge you on random features

[cedar rose]

I just avoid people that talk abt my gender right off the bat because I don't find them worth talking to

[covert herald]

Damn right

[merry surge]

It bothers you that much?

[cedar rose]

Unless they're Like Me™️

[grand zenith]

snowflakes

[novel saddle]

you can almost feel the ulterior motives tbh if they start with that

[cedar rose]

Yes it does bother me when people make a big deal out of something irrelevant

[novel saddle]

so, how long you been a girl

[cedar rose]

nah they'd never ask something sounding so good-faith

[merry surge]

Feel? Hm, now I understand.

[clear warren]

I really support and love the our chats community you see I can be whatever I want but there's still assholes in the world XD

[cedar rose]

it's always bro you're a guy with a female name??? bro wtf???

sigh

[clear warren]

Nicole :(

[novel saddle]

dunno why its a surprise that not all women sound like anime girls

[cedar rose]

generally those type of the people are the ones to thirst over female voices so, i just don't interact with them

[grand zenith]

How did we go from Phantom Touch to Gender Venting.

[cedar rose]

idk

[merry surge]

Yup

[covert herald]

Yes

[clear warren]

@grand zenith I support her side of the conversation

[grand zenith]

#vrchat-general-1 👀

[novel saddle]

actually this off topic but anyone heard of a singer Faouzia? She's got a deep voice and holy hell she sings like too well

dunno if links are allowed so i wont paste but god, was a fav artist almost immediately

[merry surge]

I understand both sides, I like to approach these things more Socratically than many.

[rough pulsar]

If the links don't violate the #rules and are relevant to the discussion they're fine

[mellow palm]

Personal opinion Flexing anything related to VR stuff when most people are sitting in their home looking at thicc anime girls when you could do something great outside with your life, future and happiness doesn't really count as a flex to me xD

its not that its flexing about having a partner

[grand zenith]

VR partner

[covert herald]

Hey, A Virtual Waifu still counts as a wife @grand zenith

[novel saddle]

awesome - the song in question then: https://youtu.be/mzri5P4obaw

[grand zenith]

@covert herald Yeah but thats the point i meant i wouldn"t really consider it a flex rather than something IRL you know?

[covert herald]

I think a "Flex" is a very subjective thing, and so any debate on the matter would be fruitless XD

But I respect your opinion

[grand zenith]

True and no worries

[cedar rose]

what's defined as a flex is what you're jealous of, i'd assume

[covert herald]

Envious*

js

[clear warren]

Yeah you tell em girl

[merry surge]

That can be one aspect.

[cedar rose]

it's a rather black-and-white view though

[merry surge]

But not all.

[grand zenith]

Intimidation can be one too

[wicked ferry]

Hey can anyone recommend a good set up for vr chat please

[languid beacon]

Nintendo Labo headset with wiimote controllers

[grand zenith]

bruh

[cedar rose]

quest 2 with link or OG vive

or index if you can afford

[mellow palm]

not this debate again

lmao

[grand zenith]

xD

[languid beacon]

Can we go back to hugging your significnat other

[mellow palm]

short answer vive

[wicked ferry]

ty ❤️

[cedar rose]

no I was suggesting setups, not trying to compare

[grand zenith]

Broke answer Vive
Normal answer Index

xd

[clear warren]

@languid beacon sure

[cedar rose]

I just have a friend with quest 2 link and it works well for him so that's why I thought I'd throw it out there

[covert herald]

Anything connected to the PC, you don't want to miss out on those avatars... And you definitely don't want to miss out on the Volt Club Party next weekend Hint Hint

[copper niche]

do not buy quests and support fb.

[clear warren]

Indeed does it feel amazing to just be in public and hug your significant other

[languid beacon]

@wicked ferry Depends in how much you want to spend and how good you want it to be

Good Specs: Valve Index
Cheap: Quest 2

[cedar rose]

i stil care about oculus because beat saber

has the best hardware for the game ime

[clear warren]

@cedar rose I love beat saber

[cedar rose]

i might love it a bit too much

currently ranked 1904 globally

[covert herald]

What's the difference between Steam BeatSaber and Oculus BeatSaber?

[cedar rose]

you can mod steamvr beat saber

easier

[languid beacon]

I don't like that beat saber changed the game to base score off of slice quality. I'm all about full combos.

The main way I play is one handed expert on auto-fail. score/grade is irrelevent to me.

[grand zenith]

I'm pretty sure it should be the same

[cedar rose]

but i mean the oculus controllers are the best for playing beat saber i think

[clear warren]

@cedar rose I know I'd probably get my ass handed to me but I'd love to challenge you

[covert herald]

Ohhh

[cedar rose]

most of the top players are on oculus headsets anyway

[wicked ferry]

ooo there's one valve index online for 1500

[cedar rose]

small, light controllers. tight tracking

[grand zenith]

Buy from Valve @wicked ferry

[languid beacon]

ooo there's one valve index online for 1500
@wicked ferry Valve Index is 1000. Buy it from Valve.

[grand zenith]

Don't buy from Scalpers

They rip you off.

[wicked ferry]

I'm CAD $ though

[covert herald]

1000 whats though

I'm EUR

[grand zenith]

No matter what buy from Valve.

[rough pulsar]

Buy from Valve, any problems and you can get RMAs on the problem device.

[cedar rose]

what's valve asking for the index in CAD?

[grand zenith]

Literally right in your steam client

[languid beacon]

@wicked ferry buy from Valve using the Steam client. Buying from anywhere else is a 2nd hand seller and potentially you're getting ripped off or being sold a used unit.

[clear warren]

Meliodas I love your pfp

[cedar rose]

and when your index inevitably runs into an issue (it will)

[wicked ferry]

aaa kk it's 1319$ on valve

[grand zenith]

Thanks @clear warren It's my character Ingame but drawn xd

Slightly outdated but meh

[covert herald]

@clear warren Are you just repeating the whole days conversation? haha

[languid beacon]

Am I just lucky getting a perfect index or something? 500 hours in no issues

[merry surge]

It is said index is a very fragile headset.

[clear warren]

@covert herald I honestly don't know

[rough pulsar]

That's a lie, the HMD itself is pretty solid. The controllers less so.

[covert herald]

I feel like we have been here before

[cedar rose]

yeah i hear about controller issues often

[languid beacon]

yeah people have reported running their headset full speed into the corner of a refirdgerator (and i mean, it was on a little kid and they RAN into the refridgerator)

the headset was perfectly fine

[merry surge]

Thanks for clarifying what was intended

[wicked ferry]

does the quest 2 do the same thing as the valve index?

[rough pulsar]

Weirdly, I only seem to have the thumbstick capacitive sensor fail. Nothing else.

[twilit sonnet]

does the quest 2 do the same thing as the valve index?
@wicked ferry That's a broad question

[languid beacon]

i am 100% sure i got some kind of revision on the sticks because I bought my index a full year after release

[clear warren]

You know it's sad when you're in a VR chat lobby and instead of looking up at my name this person decides to call me femboy and then refused to call me by my username

[twilit sonnet]

Oof

[clear warren]

;-;

I mean I know what I am but you didn't have to rub it in

[twilit sonnet]

Guess you're just known as Femboy now

[clear warren]

Yep

Gib me sec

[languid beacon]

To be fair I always have nameplates off and will usually call you by whoever your avatar is if I don't know you yet

[merry surge]

I have no beef with femboys in my experience.

[clear warren]

I'm not even a femboy I'm a soft Dom which causes me to get treated like a femboy

[languid beacon]

It might be the fact that your username is Femboy

[wicked ferry]

Thank for the help ^-^

[twilit sonnet]

I mean, it is now

[clear warren]

I just changed it XD

@twilit sonnet you said it yourself my name is now just femboy

[twilit sonnet]

True true femboy

[cedar rose]

femboys r based

certified

[twilit sonnet]

So, the other day I bought a silicon face cover for my Rift S, turns out it is even less comfortable than stock to sleep in which sucks

[clear warren]

Oof

[stone crag]

Im having mic issues on vrchat and I came here for help. According to my avatar it says im talking but its not showing that it pics up on my mic. My mic setting are set to default on my computer and on vrchat, my headset is working, and my mic works fine everywhere else.

[twilit sonnet]

You could always try overriding it with OVR Advanced Settings^

No reason for it not to be working currently but worth a shot

[stone crag]

Is that a VR exclusive thing? Because I'm in desktop mode.

[twilit sonnet]

Oh yeah, sorry assumed you were in VR

Check out your pc again that you have the right input as default

Also try turning up your mic in vrc

Also you could just check to see if anyone can hear you, it could just be a visual bug

[stone crag]

Okay, thank you!

[clear warren]

I love it here

[twilit sonnet]

Whys that femboy?

[clear warren]

Hmpf 😤

Because I'm accepted

Here it means a lot

[twilit sonnet]

I mean my community is pretty accepting, we got everything from traps to furries to weebs xD

You just gotta find the right peeps to chill with

[merry surge]

Can't argue with that. Such a myriad of subcultures that the choices are seemingly limitless.

Probably why I maybe still experiencing difficulties settling into one.

[clear warren]

I appreciate it @twilit sonnet

But I'm not a femboy

I'm a soft boy

@twilit sonnet I like you you're cool

[sour lance]

H

Hi

[merry surge]

Welcome

[clear warren]

Welcome

[sour lance]

How is everyone doing today

[merry surge]

Just finished a sculpture.

[sour lance]

Cool

[merry surge]

Something that I wasn't during the project, but I'm feeling better now thankfully.

[sour lance]

That's good

[hallow crow]

I’m looking for friends to hangout with in vrchat

[plain surge]

uhh I'm having issues with logging into vrchat

anyone know a fix?

[merry surge]

Using VPN?

[plain surge]

no

it just stops right at the end

[merry surge]

Then it isnt that, fair enough

[plain surge]

it logs in fine first

then when I get into the game it logs in again for no reason

and then it stops right at the end

[merry surge]

Strange

[plain surge]

I've re-installed it

[sour lance]

I was going to say that you might need to update something

[plain surge]

I put all the details in #user-support-old I really need a fix

I like vrchat, it's where I spend most of my time

[sour lance]

I just got back on it because I forgot my password

[clear warren]

@twilit sonnet wanna be friends?

[obsidian crag]

Any update on the toggles for av3? D:

[hasty thistle]

same @plain surge

im having problems loading in

[plain surge]

is it a connection issue?

[hasty thistle]

idk

it just logs in and stops

[cloud coyote]

are players broken and does anyone know why?

[sterile skiff]

anyone know how the Reverb G2 controllers work in VRChat?

[pseudo basalt]

Aren't they just regular wmr controllers?

[odd blaze]

4 batteries, led lights so its the same just a different shape and less buttons then the old could do

gonna love having to use 4 rechargable a day and getting 'low battery' warning again since its not a fan of 1.2v

still works 🤷‍♂️

[broken plover]

theyre like oculus touch controllers that look like wmr controllers and don't have the capacitive touch sensors. And the lack of the touch sensors is the reason they'll work different than normal wmr or oculus controllers (the same thing happened with vive cosmos controllers)

[dry bolt]

Anyone know anyone good worlds? I keep getting in with a bunch of little kids and I'm just honestly not in the mood for it rn

[sterile skiff]

theyre like oculus touch controllers that look like wmr controllers and don't have the capacitive touch sensors. And the lack of the touch sensors is the reason they'll work different than normal wmr or oculus controllers (the same thing happened with vive cosmos controllers)
@broken plover exactly, that's why i wonder how it would work with VRChat animations...

[broken plover]

probably like vive cosmos... the thumbsticks emulate touchpads there. So to walk you have to press the stick, and to do gestures you tilt the stick... I hope that its not like that tho

[sterile skiff]

gonna love having to use 4 rechargable a day and getting 'low battery' warning again since its not a fan of 1.2v
@odd blaze i personnaly use lithium batteries

[merry surge]

Don't know why, but now I'm reminded of the computer in No Man's Sky saying "Technology Recharge".

[shut zodiac]

Anyone know anyone good worlds? I keep getting in with a bunch of little kids and I'm just honestly not in the mood for it rn
@dry bolt

With the release of the oculus quest two we are very fortunate for a new wave of players!

This also means many younger players. If you aren't a fan of that demographic you could try avoiding quest accessible worlds or in the more extreme cases, muting the individual

[vocal shard]

Hi

[shut zodiac]

[deft temple]

No one wants to help me

[merry surge]

What is the nature of your difficulties?

[deft temple]

Well, I have no idea how to do this lol, I'm making a lamia avatar but I domt exactly know what to do (picture in #avatars-2-general)

[merry surge]

So, one might assume you downloaded unity and the corresponding SDK, yes?

[deft temple]

Yes, I have unity and SDK2

[merry surge]

Good good

And do you have a 3D model you might like to use, you say you're building a Lamia character?

[deft temple]

Yes I have a 3d model I want to use

[merry surge]

You will probably want to start putting your model into a scene within unity, you can either drag and drop the relevant files or import via the associated menus

And all the relevant assets you may have/want with it.

There are quite a number of sources you can visit for more direction, it's a small learning curve really, and pretty straight forward.

[deft temple]

Alright i have my model in a scene

[clear warren]

Hi everyone

[smoky solstice]

hi

[dusk seal]

Anyone wanna play a horror map?

[modern hill]

uvu

[real sluice]

the vrc sdk 3 is still not working correctly. now its like sometimes ifbi rejoin a world it starts to work fine and sometimes its judt broken and nobody can see my animations. pls fix

[golden oak]

Hi

[deft temple]

Shut uuuup

I think I got it working!

How long exactly do I have to play to be trusted? Lol

You can't upload avatars unless you're trusted

[broken plover]

new user*

[deft temple]

Oh

well I just need to be that lol

Wow lol

[vocal shard]

Only if you let it... I haven't actually seen any people acting different because of ranks since it was first launched

The heck kinda places you find these people

[broken plover]

~~ void club ~~

[vocal shard]

I'm normally in public's like black cat and pug... Haven't been crashed in maybe a year

[deft temple]

I just wanna upload my avatar and see if it actually worrrks

Oh awesome lol

As long as it gets me to new user faster, it's fine for me lol

[twilit sonnet]

@twilit sonnet wanna be friends?
@clear warren Yes

the social status symbol cough trusted rank... is a flawed system
@plush bison Nah, at least it lets me know the people who are less likely to be trouble. Most the time I have to end up blocking visitor ranks

[gritty jacinth]

I lost all my friends on vrchat

[twilit sonnet]

In my experience it ain't

[deft temple]

You'll never have to block me if we ever play together :)

[twilit sonnet]

You'll never have to block me if we ever play together :)
@deft temple Wholesome asf

[deft temple]

Lol yaayy!

[twilit sonnet]

Good snek

[deft temple]

Hehe

[gray cave]

Are there alot of good places where you can just sit back and talk to people ?

[twilit sonnet]

Are there alot of good places where you can just sit back and talk to people ?
@gray cave If you drink then drinking night xD

This ^

[gray cave]

Oh thanks. I am looking forward to buy oculus quest 2 so i can play vrchat

[twilit sonnet]

Damn, luckily never seen that

[gray cave]

And other games goo

[twilit sonnet]

Damn

[deft temple]

If anyone needs me then just ping me, ill try to respond as soon as I can c:

[modern hill]

uvu

Reee

I don't c a house

[deft temple]

There is a lamia in here though

I wonder who he is...

[modern hill]

uvu

[unique snow]

good evening

[modern hill]

Hihi

[trail sage]

Hello everyone I'm new to VR Chat & looking to make friends to and play with and maybe a Romantic partner. Please add me Superman2k2

[vocal shard]

Damn he’s up front

[unique snow]

lol yeah

im ok with the making friends part tho

[deft temple]

Lmao

maybe try meeting people irl too

[vocal shard]

Regulate the children

[deft temple]

Lol

[vocal shard]

Boobies pog

Wait there’s vrchat stuff on YouTube kids?

Oh my god that explains everything

[deft temple]

I just wanted to say how nice and helpful you lot are

[unique snow]

theres alot of strange videos that shouldnt be on youtube kids

[deft temple]

Yep

Sadly

[earnest yarrow]

Hi

[deft temple]

Heyo

[earnest yarrow]

I don't play vr chat I just wanna see what its like

But i will soon

Ok

Can anyone show me what its like in a live

[unique snow]

id recommend you give it a try yourself

[vocal shard]

I remember i was in a world with a kid that legit sounded fresh from the womb and i kept forgetting they were there and I mentioned rape and the kid goes “what’s rape” and i freaked out

Don’t ask why I mentioned rape I don’t remember why

No kiddin

[obsidian herald]

VRChat is 13+

[vocal shard]

Honestly, personally, opinionly, my take is that it should be 17+

[unique snow]

Rec room maybe

[obsidian herald]

A majority of people born in the 80's and 90's

[unique snow]

thats more kids friendly i think

[vocal shard]

Just because of how much nsfw content there is

[obsidian herald]

I'm gonna play until I die of old age using Female Avatars

[vocal shard]

And just the sheer toxicity that you don’t see anywhere else

Ive met one creep but i only found out through hear say.

And another time people were talking about another creep

But i never actually interacted with a real creep

The only thing I met was a real nazi

Have a virtual seat over there

[unique snow]

can confirm people have hit on females and after they say theyre underage, they still try. its disgusting

[vocal shard]

I had a friend who was drunk as hell and did that. And i was like wtf.

I don’t even know if he knew what he was doing though

I avoid kids at all cost. My limits are 17+ maybe 16 but that’s stretching it.

Nah I don’t like being friends with kids.

Find your age group.

No. But I know that’s why there’s a lot of kids on here

[timid cairn]

Yeah I get what he's saying

[twilit sonnet]

unless there is a dedicated vrchat for kids game
@plush bison Cough Rec room

[timid cairn]

VRChat should definitely not have children on it

Idk how some of these kids on the game are allowed to play it

Should definitely be 17+

^

[vocal shard]

It probably sounded innocent at the time for 13+

[timid cairn]

Yeah at the time then people started doing some R rated things in VRchat which is why its not a kids game

I've seen more big tits in that game than ever irl

[deft temple]

There should be like, kid only worlds

[vocal shard]

Parents will give their kids a screen as an alternative to parenting

[timid cairn]

Yeah somehow

No custom models allowed in the kids worlds,

[deft temple]

Is that a custom avatar?

[timid cairn]

idk what other rules would help

But theres no reason as to why anyone under the age of 15 should be in vrchat

[twilit sonnet]

I wouldn't mind the idea if we can report people who lie about their age

[deft temple]

I just cant wait to upload my avatar

[timid cairn]

Especially in public worlds with randoms

[vocal shard]

That wouldn’t be a bad thing.

Oh totally a thing to report people lying about their age

Of course gotta keep in mind that some people can sound young

[twilit sonnet]

13-15 16-18 18+

[vocal shard]

So many ideas :o

[twilit sonnet]

you can always ask for other means of verification and have your account locked until verified
@plush bison Eh that's a slippery slope

[vocal shard]

A thing that zaps the kids if they’re caught lying about their age

does anybody have a spring bonnie fnaf avatar that i can have?

i know a fnaf map but its not the original spring bonnie

[quartz thunder]

did i do right thing reporting player who being hatefull to others

he was saying stuff about the game

and telling there to f off

and get a way

and then saying he does not want to be with new players

[vocal shard]

in my opinion yes

[quartz thunder]

ok

what happen is when i went to him to report him he seed what are you looking at

to me

[rain rover]

#vrchat-general-2 who wants to play vr among us with me dm me is you do

[peak ermine]

He tried

[vocal shard]

Hi all

i am new to vr chat server

i decided to join the vrchat server and i am new to this server so.

Welcome

[sharp saddle]

Ayo.

[dry bolt]

Of course gotta keep in mind that some people can sound young
@vocal shard literally me

[north hemlock]

What's the thing people use to "fly" in VRChat again?

[vocal shard]

poor babt

You mean playspace mover?

[north hemlock]

Yes!

[vocal shard]

The original playspace mover broke. So use openvr advanced settings instead. That has its own playspace mover which is updated, and you can get it on steam store

[north hemlock]

So basically this https://github.com/OpenVR-Advanced-Settings/OpenVR-AdvancedSettings

Oh no actually just download OVR Advanced Settings on steam 😛

[fluid hawk]

Hey guys, Im looking to get a new VR headset. Which one is better overall, the Oculus Rift or Oculus Quest?

[vestal pier]

Quest 2

By a landslide

[deft temple]

I just wanna rank up and use my custom avataaaarrrrrr

[dry bolt]

Either way, I have the quest 2 and the graphics quality kinda sucks and it hurts my face because I can never get it quite comfortable. I was looking to upgrade for awhile but just don't have the funds.

[deft temple]

I wish I didn't have to rank up

[fluid hawk]

OK

So @dry bolt you say the quest 2 has bad graphics?

[vestal pier]

Why are you limiting yourself to oculus?

[deft temple]

Budget?

[cursive verge]

Oculus 2 is pretty good.

[vestal pier]

He quest 2 is the only console that has long term support

[cursive verge]

I have it including in the rift s and valve index.

[vestal pier]

From oculus*

[cursive verge]

But Oculus quest 2 is better than most vr headsets for it's price.

And the graphics is meh i guess

[vestal pier]

Still probably better than a cv1

[vocal shard]

Yeah

[fluid hawk]

Why are you limiting yourself to oculus?
@vestal pier budget mainly

[vestal pier]

Np

You used two options quest and rift, both dead headsets.

If you meant rift S and quest 2 then the better of the two options is the quest 2

[deft temple]

I just need the quickest way to rank up on vrchat lol

[vestal pier]

Spend time with trusted users

That happen to be your friends

[fluid hawk]

You used two options quest and rift, both dead headsets.

If you meant rift S and quest 2 then the better of the two options is the quest 2
@vestal pier yes that is what I meant, sorry for the confusion

[steady crag]

I have a really cool idea for a VRChat world but no clue how to actually make it... So i was just gonna tell the community and see if anyone else was intrested

Just Wuhu Island in it's entirety so my friends and I could just goof around on the island that wii sports resort took place. It'd also be perfect for some sort of Udon planes

[vestal pier]

Learn to build worlds its easier than It sounds

[charred drum]

are 3.0 animations working now?

that'll happen

nothing wrong with that

[crystal burrow]

If VRChat isn't going to fix animations being broken for Full-body users, is there something I can swap around in unity or blender or something to fix it?

[jolly ether]

temporary fix for 3.0 animations with FBT is to recalibrate. It resets your animations. Though if someone joins the world after that and they want to see your animations, you'll have to recalibrate again. @charred drum

[charred drum]

ah, thanks, I can try that next time

[jolly ether]

👍

[shut zodiac]

anyone to play

[sharp saddle]

Plenty of people do. Public worlds do wonders.

[shut zodiac]

[jolly ether]

public worlds?

Stranger danger

[shut zodiac]

EPeople are scary

[smoky solstice]

public servers are fun, I start lectures in them and gather a small class

[shut zodiac]

Public server's are the best place in vrchat

[halcyon tartan]

Lol

[vocal shard]

woah

[dusk radish]

hi!!

[smoky solstice]

heyo

[halcyon tartan]

Hi

[sharp saddle]

o/

[crystal burrow]

Screw you bot I was asking if they broke video players as well. AGAIN.

[tulip pivot]

The bots just doing his job

[vocal shard]

Damn

Bullying the bot

[sharp saddle]

U wot

Hi.

[vocal shard]

hiiiiiiiii

[bright oracle]

Should I try to set it up to where my VRChat avatar is what’s shown for me in online school, or not.
If not, I’d have nothing to show since my PC doesn’t have a camera yet, which all my teachers are fine with.
If I use my VRC avatar, idk how anybody would react. My teachers, the students or my family members

[ruby tiger]

I have seen somebody (ab)use his smartphone as webcam (on Zoom)

[abstract forge]

Hey, I'm pretty new to social VR in general--what do people like doing in VRChat? Like do you guys just meet with friends to chat/hang out, or go to community events, or play games together virtually, or more?

[hazy flint]

All of the above

[eager plinth]

Question, has anyone had an issue where you load and hit go, and it throws you right back into the loading menu for default home, only to loop?

WMR Updated build

Internet is fine, files are validated, ect

Clean install

Again, PC WMR

Windows Mixed if you dont know the acronym

I didnt know if there were any bugs in the newest builds

Should I try a run as admin?

No dice

I dont think its any of my avatars or content since they dont even get a chance to load

I cant get into any worlds

not even default home, it hits complete load and go and it throws me back to the loading screen

Im pretty good at fixing errors and ive fixed many registry and system ones but this one is new

I think I found my error

I have 2 drives so my C local low links to my storage

And I just replaced my storage drive

I have to remake the file bridge

I forgot I made it so it redirected the directory to :F

It was old work around since devs didnt get around to making it an editable string until like a month ago

[north hemlock]

When merging a Steam account with a VRChat account, do favorited avatars get transfered as well?

[wise willow]

If you enter by means of Steam account, contacts are not transferred

And avatars too

[north hemlock]

I mean the website says I'm keeping what I have, but I just wanted to make sure I kept avatars

Dang.

[west yoke]

iirc it does transfer avatar favorites but if you have favorites on your VRChat account then they won't be transferred.

Pretty sure he won't.

[sleek sparrow]

man the lack of youtube-dl updates finally killed karaoke rooms :/ and with the software dmca'd, i hope the devs can switch over to dlc soon

[west yoke]

hopefully

[sleek sparrow]

cant seem to update the exe manually anymore either

always downloads the jul 28 version on boot

[modern hill]

Boop

[vocal shard]

[modern hill]

Jamie hugu ur sweet

[vocal shard]

No uuu

[modern hill]

Reee no w

[vocal shard]

[copper niche]

alright im crashing every 3 minutes

this is a joke

[vocal shard]

👌😂

[modern hill]

Oofie

[copper niche]

another crash

[grand zenith]

Crashes can be caused by many things, might want to check your logs to find out what's wrong

[copper niche]

already did

[grand zenith]

What did it say?

[copper niche]

exception code 0cx00005

tries reading an invalid memory address

The thread tried to read from or write to a virtual address for which it does not have the appropriate access

ive sent so many crash dumps

another crash

i played less than 10 minutes

unplayable

[grand zenith]

Sounds like a RAM issue to me

How much RAM do you have

[copper niche]

16gb

but star citizen runs fine lul

[grand zenith]

VR or desktop?

[copper niche]

vr

[sleek sparrow]

vr chat update quality comes in waves. between crashes and youtube-dl issues, id say we are in one of the shitty periods

[grand zenith]

You joined a 20+ world or was it empty?

[copper niche]

i crashed while putting on my headset in my homeworld

[grand zenith]

When was the last time you cleared your cache?

[copper niche]

5 mins ago

https://imgur.com/a/pzI99oo

[grand zenith]

I mean ingame cache

[copper niche]

those are crssh dumps

yes, 5 mins ago

[grand zenith]

• does the crashes happen while in Desktop?

[copper niche]

who cares about pc mode, im mute, i need to sign

[grand zenith]

Mute or not

Does the crashes happen on Desktop It's useful information to figure out whats wrong

to cross things off the list of possible issues.

[copper niche]

you understand that means i cant communicate right

[grand zenith]

You understand that I'm not asking you to play In Desktop and ignore VR. I'm asking to check if you crash in Desktop aswell

[copper niche]

i do

and it still crashes

[grand zenith]

Hmm if it's both

Then it's not a Headset issue persee

Check your drivers manually update all of them.

[copper niche]

oh hell no, thats not where the issue is

[grand zenith]

You're making this a lot harder for yourself.

[copper niche]

literally every other game works for more than a minute without crashing

[grand zenith]

Every other game doesn't work the same as VRChat.

[cold talon]

so its not a memory leak?

[grand zenith]

Nah

he has plenty of GB if he had 8GB then it would be the case.

But since it doesn't happen in Desktop and instantly it can't be a memory leak.

[copper niche]

youre right, they dont, and thank god they dont because i wouldnt be playing anything

lmao

ryzen 7 2700x with a 1080

is that trash

[grand zenith]

@copper niche I asked those questions and advice those solutions

As an IT guy myself that Error code literally is a Access Violation Error

[cold talon]

yeah sorry, you need at least a ryzen 5000+rtx3080 to get stable play /s

[copper niche]

because thats completely unrelated, cani

[grand zenith]

Which literally returns to

• Faulty RAM
• Registry
• Corrupt Drivers
• Virus
• Incorrect updates (windows security)

Which is why I'd advise checking your drivers and windows update.

Just cross the list to help yourself.

He's not running out of RAM

he's crashing on very short sessions in empty worlds.

[copper niche]

well considering vrchat is the only game that crashes that hard after playing garder games for hours on end, i dont think my ram is faulting

[grand zenith]

16GB as he specified before.

[cold talon]

3 min for an out of memory on 16gb is extremely fast

[grand zenith]

Almost impossible tbh

Unless someone is causing it on purpose but since he was in his own world

[copper niche]

can you like not

[grand zenith]

It can't be the case
I'd still advise you to check your GPU drivers real quick

[copper niche]

i already nuked with ddu and reinstalled win10

what more do i need to do

can you stop

[grand zenith]

Fun fact, but checking file integrity or reinstalling VRChat might be an option too if it's purely only that game.

[copper niche]

can you stop assuming my hardware is failing when clearly the game is at fault

uh huh

then why can I play beat saber for 8 hours

[grand zenith]

@copper niche You can't assume if it's the game yet. Thats what we're trying to figure out.

By doing these simple steps to rule out what could be the issue.

[copper niche]

you're right

it is not vrchat and it doesn't crash

why would my hardware fail on 1 particular game

Dude no

[grand zenith]

Because certain games behave different, are coded different, use your hardware different and can have strange bugs which are original to that game.

[copper niche]

I'm not even oc'd

like????

No you're just wanting to be right

[grand zenith]

Either way @plush bison Arguing with him doesn't help either.

[sleek sparrow]

lol its the game khosumi. this person cant fathom the idea that the game is far far far from perfect. the game will crash randomly for one update, then be fine the next. a lot of crashes are inexplicable.

[copper niche]

alright get bloccked

[sleek sparrow]

same

and if you have been playing it for 3 years, you would know the game can just have bad updates that simply dont work for some people

[copper niche]

ignore them

clearly uninformed

[sleek sparrow]

....which is exactly what is the problem here

...thats not what client means

client is not the server

[modern hill]

lol x3

[copper niche]

mental gymnastics 100

[sleek sparrow]

yep

[grand zenith]

Bruh

[modern hill]

that wont crash u that would give u a timeout

[grand zenith]

Can we like chill and try to help him properly.

[cold talon]

no

[sleek sparrow]

yeah can we meliodas?

cause you keep insisting its not the game

[copper niche]

You can't really help me, it's up to the devs to look at the multiple reports I've emailed them

[grand zenith]

No I am not.

I'm legit listing options for him to TRY

[copper niche]

I've zipped up over 25 crash logs at once

[sleek sparrow]

do i need to quote you or...?

[grand zenith]

To be precise to what up the issue is.

It can be the game or his end.

[sleek sparrow]

yeah i agree with khosumi, imma block you too

[grand zenith]

I'm testing his end first **then if nothing is wrong on his end I'll try some game stuff.

[modern hill]

i mean just look at the logs and u can check lmao

[grand zenith]

@modern hill He did. Acces Violation error.

[copper niche]

https://i.imgur.com/Ci8bmZx.png

[grand zenith]

Which can be on his end or the game but if all his stuff is up to date and working as is.

and he's sure he's updated everything driver wise.

It's obvious it's not his RAM even tho thats VRChats biggest issue xd

[inland knot]

you enjoy void club? time to get bullied for it

[sleek sparrow]

void club? i dont even know her lel

[cold talon]

welp, looks like its the game, cant do anything to help him @grand zenith 🤷‍♂️

[grand zenith]

Thats why I advised him to check for file integrity or a reinstall. Maybe it's a corrupted file or something went wrong.

[sleek sparrow]

i only use this thing for karaoke but i cant until the devs get around to implementing the new youtube-dlc stuff

[copper niche]

I already reinstalled win10 though

[grand zenith]

I haven't even asked if he's using mods or not 👀

[copper niche]

I think that's far enough to cover the possibility of a corrupt file

[modern hill]

@copper niche i guess just wait for a new patch, if updating ur gpu drivers or any of that stuff doesn't work lol, everyone knows it's a game realted issue anyways

[sleek sparrow]

never in my life have i had to reinstall an operating system to fix a video game crash

[grand zenith]

^

[sleek sparrow]

if they are still insisting you try that, then i question their judgement

[copper niche]

I did it on my own

[grand zenith]

Just contact support, I can't do much without actually having a full crash log.

Nobody suggested a OS Reinstall tho.

[cold talon]

not really, reinstalling the os does not necessarily translate to reinstalling the game

[grand zenith]

The fact everyone keeps instigating is just annoying tbh.

[copper niche]

I know, but I did it to cover the possibilty of "maybe something went wrong during an install"

[cold talon]

you can still use the old game install and files even after os reinstall

[copper niche]

I've completely cleared out my %appdata% of any traces of vrchat before reinstalling

[grand zenith]

When did the crashes start btw?

[copper niche]

since the last couple updates when everything broke

[grand zenith]

Hmm they did make some performance updates

But I haven't noticed anything wrong on my end and I'm using an Ryzen + Nvidia combo too

Thats not true.

They've made plenty of client changes.

[copper niche]

I really wish you would say something that's not completely covered in ignorance canibefree

[grand zenith]

I wish VRchat had a rollback feature or if there was an active beta you could connect to

[sleek sparrow]

ah, the classic "i have no problems, so its not the game" response

[copper niche]

#announcements message

literally client, at the bottom of that post

[grand zenith]

@plush bison Not to be rude

[cold quiver]

the initial update was build 1004, and we've had builds 1006, 1007 and currently 1008 the past 5 days

[grand zenith]

But that won't help shit

[cold quiver]

server side only? really?

[copper niche]

because they don't know what they're talking about

[grand zenith]

Nobody is running their OS in guest or user mode these days.

[copper niche]

you legit think that running as admin would solve this

I think that says enough, to be quite honest

[grand zenith]

Either way.

[west yoke]

@grand zenith In fairness running the game in admin can solve some specific issues like if for some reason it doesn't have proper access to the cache folder (happens to some users)

[grand zenith]

@copper niche Send a quick email to support

[sleek sparrow]

i mean, sometimes it does help to run software as admin, but a steam game shouldnt need those perms

[grand zenith]

@west yoke Yeah but I'm 100% sure he's already done that

[sleek sparrow]

if it does, thats the games problem

[copper niche]

Send a quick email to support
I sent them a report 3 days ago with 25 crash dumps

[grand zenith]

Bruh.

[copper niche]

in 1 email

[grand zenith]

Let it go xd

[copper niche]

just a diehard fan, he'll bore himself

okay oyu know what, fine

I'll run as admin, I'll fire up a twitch stream for it

[sleek sparrow]

tbh, suggesting to run in admin is the first thing canibefree has said that is actually reasonable

[copper niche]

are you ready?

Of course you don't care but too bad I'm firing it up

twitch.tv/kathok

live right now

[sleek sparrow]

while those two have been a buncha dumdums, the way you are responding to them is also pretty dumdum khosumi

[grand zenith]

You said no other game crashes you right? That includes other VR Games? @copper niche

[copper niche]

yes meli

[grand zenith]

Ah oki

That rules out potential background programs causing it

[copper niche]

and now we leave vrchat to run

[zealous shore]

Hi

[grand zenith]

@sleek sparrow Yo idk who you're calling dumdums, But you're constantly instigating the situation only adding fuel to the flame chill.

[copper niche]

oh yes of course, because I can prove my client crashes with a stream you're going to say that it's the stream that makes me crash

sounds very reasonable and very convenient for you

[sleek sparrow]

yeah obs wont be the issue here lol

[copper niche]

You don't have to believe, you can watch

I'll leave it running until it crashes

What am I running, windows 3.1 that cna't open 2 windows?

[grand zenith]

xD

[copper niche]

Paging all streamers

[sleek sparrow]

man this is fun to watch you two pretend to know what you are talking about

[cold talon]

it should be fine, windows 10 is supposed to be able to open up to 3 programs at once

[sleek sparrow]

poor khosumi getting bullied, although they aint responding in the nicest way either

[copper niche]

well I'm quite tilted because it's been crashing non stop for 4 days

[sleek sparrow]

oh dont worry im with ya. youtube-dl has been broken for weeks, and the devs took away the ability to let us manually update it for months, so i too am annoyed with the game for the time being

[copper niche]

what could visiting a website possible do to stop crashing

[sleek sparrow]

nothing he's trolling

[cold quiver]

whats wrong with youtube-dl atm? i havent had any recent issues loading youtube videos

[sleek sparrow]

half of youtube doesnt work in vr chat atm

[copper niche]

oh perhaps

the game is just badly coded

[grand zenith]

^ Yo wtf

Holdup how the fuck is that related

[sleek sparrow]

cause the game is stuck on version jul 28, not to mention youtube-dl was dmca'd last week, so its just gonna get more fucked until they update/switch to a fork

[west yoke]

btw if you can open the game there's no need to go to the website as pressing Ctrl + \ does the same thing as going to the website and clicking reset to default avatar.

[sleek sparrow]

its why the two big karaoke worlds are dead at the moment

[west yoke]

Are you pressing Ctrl / or Ctrl \

[sleek sparrow]

like smart has 0 players, and karaoke central has one room of 14 lol

itd be fine if they just gave us back the ability to manually update the exe, but you cant do that because the game replaces the file on boot

[cold quiver]

youtube-dl's public repository on github was dmca'd, it is still accessible else where and the maintainers have not made any mentions on ceasing development. I doubt youtube-dl is going away any time soon.

[sleek sparrow]

oh its not, there is youtube-dlc but the fork is so different it requires tweaking in vrchat's code to work

but jul 28 is too old at this point. they need to update to at least sep 20

its been like this for almost a month now

[grand zenith]

VRchat really isn't having a good time recently.

[modern hill]

tru

[copper niche]

shot themselves in the foot with such an untested / unstable patch

[grand zenith]

No idea how this recent patch blew up like this tho.

[sleek sparrow]

in fact, there is a nov 1 update for youtube-dl, but again, you cant manually update the exe in vrchat anymore

[grand zenith]

Wouldn't expect this kind of a massive issue when #open-beta-announcements exists

I mean

Small or not. Issues regarding the entire 3.0 breaking down

Shouldn't pass Internal testing

[copper niche]

3.0 avatars sitting on 2.0 avatars placed seats crashed entire instances

also turning off seats for fbt because of crashing lol

override sdks?

[grand zenith]

I wish I had permission to use my emotes in this server.

[copper niche]

I don't think overriding an sdk means a poor implementation

[grand zenith]

Where are you getting that info from?

They aren't VRChat staff tho.

[copper niche]

did they?

[grand zenith]

They explicitly said they wanted to keep SDK 2 and 3

for both Avatars and Worlds.

[copper niche]

can you perhaps give us a link to where they said such a thing

[cold quiver]

[citations needed]

[grand zenith]

Like you got to provide proof of bold statements like that.

[copper niche]

so you're talking bollocks then

then prove it

[sleek sparrow]

so they are gonna break hundreds of worlds by depricating old APIs and piss off the community? yeah i dont buy it

[grand zenith]

they even talk to staff and so do i, just not under this account
This already makes me thing combined with your name
I think That you're probably a troll that got banned before from here with this kind of behavior

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[copper niche]

"probably" a troll? All they said so far has been innacurate

[grand zenith]

okay let me rephrase that t hen

Fixed.

[copper niche]

udon is for a scripting language

worlds that uses triggers are explicitely incompatible with udon scripts

unless vrchat is willing to fix all those worlds themslves, ain't gonna happen

oh please show me a world that uses triggers in udon

that's not what I'm asking

[cold talon]

sdk2 to sdk3 auto updater when?

[copper niche]

Idk what you think computers are but they most likely don't work like you think they do

sdk2.0 is roughly similar to the cck

udon and non udon worlds is like a C# game being merged with a java game

[vocal shard]

GUY

[copper niche]

everything does

[sleek sparrow]

java =/= javascript lol

[cold quiver]

[citations needed]

[sleek sparrow]

what are you babbling about now?

[vocal shard]

im feel so ALIVE not ded anymore

its AMAZING

[sleek sparrow]

you arent making sense, not that you were at any point

[copper niche]

I'm curious to see how far he wants to stretch this scenario, it's literally just abotu the game crashing

[cold talon]

client menu? javascript?

[cold quiver]

unity used to use unityscript, based off javascript in older version 5.6.2 etc, but has since been depreciated for c# as of unity 2017 and above

[copper niche]

^

[sleek sparrow]

yeah nobody has used anything but c# in unity for YEARS

[copper niche]

what name have I called you

no, quote it

[cold talon]

huh, never knew that was a thing

[copper niche]

Quote me, copy my message link

[grand zenith]

I'd rather take 20 VRChat crashes than this right now.

[copper niche]

it's so strange everytime someone asks for evidence you shy away

are you not an adult?

oh I have a link for you, hold on

https://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/ppecorino/phil_of_religion_text/CHAPTER_5_ARGUMENTS_EXPERIENCE/Burden-of-Proof.htm

not really, it's called proving a negative

now you're getting it

by your response, I'm fairly sure that yes I did.

[cold quiver]

I dont think he gets it

[copper niche]

I don't think he does

well hold on we're on a tangent now because you claim I'm calling you names, I'm asking you to prove it

[grand zenith]

Lets talk about #vrchat-general-2

Any cool story someone xD

[copper niche]

lol

[grand zenith]

@plush bison Just let it go dude.

Someone shouldn't have to block someone if you could just stop aswell.

He's heard enough and tried enough things, lets leave it in the hands of him and VRchat support themselves

[copper niche]

Like?

I'm curious to know what insight you have on the internal code

[grand zenith]

bruh

[copper niche]

I'm just asking how you think they can get better framerates with the code

Soo.. Are you not going to answer properly?

[grand zenith]

Thats petty

[copper niche]

I disagree, this is a public discussion, if you would be able to block everything about someone in particular a conversation might stop making sense

The only thing I want to know is how you think they can increase framerates

like what

more cores doesn't degrade it either

[grand zenith]

I can vouch for that my poor little Ryzen 3900X isn't utilized in the slightest

[copper niche]

innacurate

Unity games are not single threaded

They are multi threaded by nature of being on unity. HOWEVER, the main thread where all the game logic happens is on a single thread

The logic calculations can be multi threaded

that's all of unity

I don't think that's accurate

[grand zenith]

Tried forcing -force-d3d11-no-singlethreaded?

[copper niche]

oh absolutely not

[broken plover]

it uses multiple cores, but dynamic bones mostly run on one core

[grand zenith]

I'm asking

[copper niche]

There's more to a game's performance than the engine

[broken plover]

and dynamic bones are the most demanding things for the cpu

[cold quiver]

running your code on an updated version of an engine that has better multithreading support doesnt magically make all your code multi threaded. thats not how it works at all.

[grand zenith]

I see

[copper niche]

#vrchat-general-2 message

wouldn't make a difference

it's down to how the game is coded

[cold quiver]

this may be shocking, but when vrchat came out 2019 didnt even exist

[copper niche]

unity is just an engine, it doesn't make the code better

it's pretty much the same as saying if vrchat was on unreal it would be better

[grand zenith]

And a lot harder

[copper niche]

as much as it could be an even bigger disaster

[vocal shard]

It also could be better on unity
that's just a nonsense talk

[grand zenith]

for content creators to work with.

[copper niche]

No it's not, it's the code.

[grand zenith]

Like sure personally for me it wouldn't be hard but deffo. Most people don't know shit about blender or unity. Making it harder to switch to a more difficult engine won't do them good.

[copper niche]

beat saber runs on 2018 btw

[cold quiver]

sure is arm chair dev hours tonight

[grand zenith]

xD

[sturdy whale]

do i need to not be guest to do local testing for a world i built in unity?

[cold quiver]

the same code running on 2019 is not going to perform any better

[grand zenith]

You need to be a New user for Avatar upload and User for world upload @sturdy whale

[sturdy whale]

even for local testing, not online @grand zenith

[copper niche]

beat saber doesnt run complex avatars
@plush bison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxMkBgEfxqM

I beg to differ

[grand zenith]

@sturdy whale Actually never seen that before, You should be able to build it locally no matter what.

[copper niche]

It's not

[sturdy whale]

hmm odd

[copper niche]

https://github.com/nicoco007/BeatSaberCustomAvatars

[west yoke]

For beat saber that's not a external program, it's a mod that actually puts the avatar into the game world.

[copper niche]

No.

You really hate being wrong

[vocal shard]

he is right tho
it's a mod, it's not a native feature of beatsaber

[west yoke]

Oh that's what you're talking about, external program doesn't mean what you think it does

[copper niche]

Consider that to import an avatar into beat saber, you have to use unity 2018 using the same dynamic bones libraries and animation controllers as vrchat

The IK is different yes but the avatar model is the same

Point it out

how do you know if it's optimized?

[cold quiver]

his understanding of how beatsaber mods work aside, it is fair to say vrchat does a lot more than just load in custom models though

[west yoke]

true

[copper niche]

Yes, but the whole point of this is to say that just because vrchat runs on 2018 doesn't mean that it is the catalyst as to why the game is in its current state

[cold quiver]

not really lol

[copper niche]

What makes it so different

[cold quiver]

tarkov runs on unity 2018

[copper niche]

okay but how does the underlying code interact with the engine?

[sturdy whale]

Do i need to be a new user to do local testing on a world i built? I press "Build and Test" but nothing happens.

[copper niche]

The code is still what runs the game, if the code is faulty then it doens't matter what engine you're using

[sturdy whale]

@plush bison was that to me?

[copper niche]

oh is vrchat's code not faulty?

[sturdy whale]

ok, thanks

[copper niche]

I suppose all these updates have been updating un faulty code

NO.

Unity is all C#

[onyx laurel]

no it's not

^

[copper niche]

Fine, C# and C+, but if you have bad code, it doesn't matter what engine you're using

Your entire argument is that unity is what's holding the game back

[onyx laurel]

Same thing with Genshin impact, It's on unity

[cold quiver]

lol

[copper niche]

Well if they fix all the code then the engine swtich is irrelevant

btw Deux EX: The fall runs on unity

Don't know, haven't played it

btw among us is on unity 2018

[west yoke]

Something you're forgetting is that VRChat (comparatively) updated to Unity 2018 "recently" the previous versions they were using didn't really support the jobs system if at all which can allow for better multi-threading capabilities however when they initially updated not much was done with the jobs system.
I wonder if that's part of the optimization update of version 1004.

[copper niche]

Battletech

Rimworld

Subnautica

Yes

[pseudo basalt]

Engine switch

aka killing off all community content and the game

[copper niche]

Subnautica is the only game in that list that supports vr lmao

[pseudo basalt]

sounds like a good deal

[copper niche]

I'm pointing out games that runs on unity 2018 that doesn't run that badly

You're saying that the code isn't what's holding the game back, rather the engine itself

No, you're saying vrchat is held back by unity 2018 because it somehow performs badly, and that the same could would run that much better on 2019

Considering the massive errors that came up, I don't think that switching engine would reduce the amount of game crashing bugs and frame rate issues

As well as the incredibly badly protected network

[inland knot]

C# good

[grand zenith]

@plush bison Are you a developer and or do you know how to code?

[inland knot]

Java bad because its barely used

[copper niche]

Let's remind ourselves that you used to be able to grab people's IP address by just being connected to a lobby pre-quest update

[cold talon]

C# - nah
Assembly - that's more like it

[vocal shard]

oh no, not my IP :(

[grand zenith]

3D design is not the same

[vocal shard]

i'm going to get hacked :(

[cold talon]

@vocal shard sloorp uwu

[grand zenith]

As a developer myself who does code

[vocal shard]

noooooo

[visual coyote]

Hello.
I started this morning.

[grand zenith]

What you're saying isn't that simple or easy.

[copper niche]

or accurate

[inland knot]

svel make sure to wear a 255.255.255.0 to not get corona

[vocal shard]

ah shit, too late

[inland knot]

uwu

[cold talon]

nice try gweiss but sloorp, my ip now

[inland knot]

hecc

[grand zenith]

A game engine is more a library providing you the tools and playground to create what you want. The foundation If your code is unoptimized, riddled with bugs or simply not up to par, It won't matter what kind of god tier engine you're using

You're going to be bottlenecking yourself.

[copper niche]

that's literally what I've been saying, canibefree

but because I didn't say it, you agreed to it

[inland knot]

but why code if you cant hack free five nights at freddy's

[copper niche]

#vrchat-general-2 message

[cold talon]

need a game engine that writes the code itself, you just tell it what you want it do do and it will code it for you, now that is a god level engine

[grand zenith]

and VRchat has shown a literal example of that. As if you paid attention towards the 2017 port to 2018 THE GAME HAD NO SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN FPS

[inland knot]

that sounds like those code building apps for children

[copper niche]

and VRchat has shown a literal example of that. As if you paid attention towards the 2017 port to 2018 THE GAME HAD NO SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN FPS
Or stability

[cold talon]

nah, is those you use high level functions basically

[grand zenith]

New NetIK is great tho 👀

[inland knot]

playing with people with Vpoor avatars
randoms: "THE GAME HAD NO SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN FPS"

[grand zenith]

@inland knot No. Just no.

[inland knot]

devs should code better amirite xdd

[grand zenith]

That mindset is the problem of this community

Red = bad 😢

[inland knot]

we live in a community

[copper niche]

devs should code better amirite xdd
@inland knot When your code literally crashes instances because an FBT user used a seat, yeah, that's bad code

[vocal shard]

I noticed a big difference in performance since we swapped to 2017 unity and then to 2018

[grand zenith]

People who actually know what they're doing can utilize all those features that make the SDK Cry out in irrelevant numbers that are beyond ridiculous

Don't bring back the entire mindset of 20k+ Polygons = bad

[cold talon]

how dare you have disabled components on your avatar!?

[west yoke]

Pretty sure VRChat warned to not use rig hacks for like a year now

[proper nimbus]

what are rig hacks

[copper niche]

I wish I could believe vrchat's code was this good as that guy

[inland knot]

people still did and then it janked

[west yoke]

So why did you use them knowing they would break at one point?

[inland knot]

all of them went

[west yoke]

Ah public avatars

[grand zenith]

Also for anyone who disagrees with my statement above regarding perfomance increase

It's not like VRChat said it themselves https://i.imgur.com/Pwi4y4D.png

[proper nimbus]

what are rig hacks

[inland knot]

Bro, vrchat should hire more 16 year olds that seem to be professional programmers

[proper nimbus]

explain

[modern hill]

Lol

[inland knot]

wheres the application form, should be pinned here

[cold talon]

rig hacks werent really a problem at all
having to change the standard humanoid model for something to work aint a good game mechanic

[modern hill]

Write more spaghetti

[rough pulsar]

@proper nimbus Doing weird shit to the rig to make it work around existing odd behaviour.

[modern hill]

🍝

[west yoke]

what are rig hacks
@proper nimbus Basically a band aid people put on their avatars to fix issues that the game's rigging had, when VRChat fixed these bugs the rig hacks became a detriment.

[proper nimbus]

oculus rift s is good right

[inland knot]

Gallium are vrchat dev apps open

[rough pulsar]

No idea, check the website.

[cold talon]

gweiss becoming dev

[inland knot]

i have a full 7 minutes on java and nothing else

[cold talon]

welcome to the team man

[grand zenith]

xD

[modern hill]

Imao

[inland knot]

according to the kids here, i should be better than most devs here

[vocal shard]

I watched a youtube video about c++, can I be a dev now ?

[inland knot]

since they know better

[proper nimbus]

yes

[modern hill]

What can be improved in security