#vrchat-general-2 | VRChat | Page 1144

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Omg I want to learn how bruv I literally just want to learn how to retexture one man I was in another server and they were like he will never find anyone that'll willingly do it and some of them don't even want to teach it for money

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And I was like buuuuulllllsheeeet

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:16 PM

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well, youtube and the official documentation helped me ;)

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 2:16 PM

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I need hands on ;-;

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:17 PM

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what you need is interest, the rest comes from alone ;)

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 2:17 PM

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So I'll be able to use my pc vr sone all I need is a new graphics card and I'll be able to

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Soon*

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:18 PM

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that outfit I made from scratch for example: https://paste.cerny.li/9nIV/

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 2:18 PM

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Katy you are very wise

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:18 PM

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I'm still learning how to bake textures better >.>

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naa, I'm just learning

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I started using blender like 4 months ago or so?

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:21 PM

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I first opened Blender like three years ago and I can only make a cube still

covert blade Oct 31, 2020, 2:21 PM

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Cube is what you start with when you open it

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:21 PM

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...

covert blade Oct 31, 2020, 2:21 PM

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JakkuDerp

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:21 PM

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cesBonk

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shh

covert blade Oct 31, 2020, 2:21 PM

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tyrissRip

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:21 PM

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that reminds me of that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDeVyxtdSUk

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:22 PM

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blender default cubes are a renewable energy source

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:22 PM

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^^

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I really should change my default scene... It kinda gets annoying to delete it all the time

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 2:24 PM

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@amber juniper I liked the Avatar

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You see if you look at my pfp THIS exactly

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:25 PM

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:P

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I think it's actually public >.>

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 2:25 PM

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What I want as an avatar

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:26 PM

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yup, it's public, together with about 10-15 other versions of it

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 2:26 PM

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Aww that's a bummer

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:26 PM

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but at the moment, the newer ones are broken, because of that mess they introduced >.>

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 2:26 PM

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Lol

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:26 PM

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still waiting for more fixes

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at least the older ones are now working again.

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:27 PM

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The client team's pushing pretty hard on that atm fwiw cesAAA

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 2:27 PM

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Well that's great

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:28 PM

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The client team's pushing pretty hard on that atm fwiw :cesAAA:
not to sound rude or anything, I know how hard it can be, but I hope so they are working overtime...
I just still don't understand why you guys didn't revert back to the previous version and fixed that stuff in the beta branch...
Talking about disaster recovery ;)

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 2:29 PM

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Yo katy hypothetically speaking if I was to give you like any avatar not saying I will or you'll even do it but could you edit the top piece to an ahegio mix?

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:30 PM

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I'm not sure I understand what you want ;)

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Have you ever seen an ahegio hoodie

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:30 PM

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you mean Ahegao?

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Sorry -_-

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Yes

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:31 PM

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Can't really answer that, I just keep the servers and api stuff up and running.
To be honest I typically don't even know what's in most patches until like 20 minutes before they go out unless there's a feature that I worked on with a client engineer.
I trust the rest of the team enough to have had a good reason to not rollback though.

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:31 PM

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well, I probably could do that, depending how the UV map looks like

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 2:31 PM

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Katy excuse my misspelling also lit

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Would it be possible to do it to a quest avatar?

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:33 PM

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Nyx, as a SysAdmin myself, that kinda sounds like there wasn't a disaster recovery plan xD And I never trust devs... they always break stuff >.>

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Would it be possible to do it to a quest avatar?
@clear warren sure, it's just a texture.

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 2:33 PM

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Bet sounds awesome

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:35 PM

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cesLUL would consider myself more of a mix of web development + devops over sysadmin, but I just happen to usually be the one around at early morning hours when things break.

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:35 PM

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but as I mentioned before, I don't mean that in a bad way or anything. I know that the dev team is doing their best to fix it, and I hope they will have some fixes ready soon (:

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 2:36 PM

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vrpill

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1 month

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Yeah, hope so too. I'd consider myself as much of a VRChat player as y'all, except I'm just on the server team as well.

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Played for a good ~2.5 years with about 2k hours before I joined the team :p

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Oh, I know the feeling... I'm the one who gets woken up in the night a lot, because the monitoring system detected something...

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:37 PM

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I'm usually drinking with friends in VRChat and then once I get off at like 3am something ends up breaking and I'm just NotLikeCes

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:37 PM

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just to find out that one of the devs corrupted a database or so with the latest update, without notice...

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.<

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there is a reason my main avatar has that hoody: https://paste.cerny.li/vUdM/

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:38 PM

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cesLUL

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Nice usb drives

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.. and usb cable?

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:39 PM

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if you can't read it: https://paste.cerny.li/RNLs/

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yeah... I usually have a USB to RS-232 adapter on hand

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interfacing with switches, firewalls and stuff

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:39 PM

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vim button, arch button, debian button, unsure of the other two

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Can't see them too well cesLUL

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:40 PM

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the black one is "No!" and the red one is "zabbix" the monitoring system I use at work and privatly

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the buttons where actually one of the first assets I made from scratch in Blender :3

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:41 PM

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oh nice!

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i uh..

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cubes i guess

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:41 PM

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the chain with the USB sticks where the second one or so :3

inland knot Oct 31, 2020, 2:42 PM

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hdmi to garden hose connector

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Nice! Doesn't seem too bad to make, but I'd spend like... four hours or so on it trying to remember how to use Blender

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Which is generally the once-every-three-months that I use Blender

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:43 PM

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yeah... I tried to use blender some years ago to fix a 3D model for 3D printing, but I failed... they made the UI SOOOO much better with 2.80...

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:44 PM

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I ended up learning a bit of it because of VRChat way long ago, but ended up a bit lost in the newer UI for a while until I just stopped using it long enough to forget about how to even use it in the first place and could relearn it

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:44 PM

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.<

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I also made some eastereggs below my flip-flops: https://paste.cerny.li/2vj/
It's kinda funny, because almost all who laugh when they see that worked at some point as a SysAdmin, almost all others don't get it :P

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:45 PM

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cesLUL

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Do they still even make those shiny oem stickers

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:46 PM

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I don't think so... but we still have hundreds of PC's at work who have them

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nowdays I think the key is embedded in the UEFI >.>

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but I'm not sure, I'm mostly working with older hardware (just some months ago I retired our last Pentium 4 Server >.>)

neon lotus Oct 31, 2020, 2:47 PM

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Curious, what these bugs people are talking about with 3.0 avatars?

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:48 PM

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jesus christ why

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what the heck was running on it

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:48 PM

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one of the backup servers ;)

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do you remember the heartbleed bug in openssl?

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:49 PM

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Yeah.

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:50 PM

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our internal Mailserver wasn't affected by it, because it used an older openssl version, before they introduced the bug, that one was running on a dualsocket Pentium III machine >.<

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:51 PM

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cesLUL So you guys just left it because "its more secure"?

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:51 PM

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I'm updating hard- and software since a while, because before I started working there again, almost nobody maintained the infrastructure >.>

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well, more like: it's running, don't change it

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:51 PM

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That sounds like a big uptaking. Hopefully push-back from higher-ups wasn't really hard

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:52 PM

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well... it's a NGO, and I'm a board member, so I'm one of the higher-ups, and there is nobody over me ;)

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but no money, so we use the hardware we have at hand and get's donated

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Well that's a good way to go about getting stuff done I guess.

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Was assuming some kind of corporate company

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Which uh.

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NotLikeCes yikes

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:53 PM

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yes and no, but that would be complicated to explain :P

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well, there exists a term for that: technical debt, and a LOT of companies have that, also banks, government agencies, etc...

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Ay kat I'm in the midst of stuff and I was wondering if I could further my questions in dms to cause less confusion

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Technical debt's a pretty common term in the development field, but figured it was probably called something different when referring to actual server infra.

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:55 PM

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naa

muted wharf Oct 31, 2020, 2:55 PM

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"hey them things oooold" debt

amber juniper Oct 31, 2020, 2:55 PM

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normally it's not the servers which are the problem if they are old, it's the software

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@clear warren sure

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Hey I just wanted to say thank you to all the people that coded and developed this game I mean I know I'm only a small person in this huge server but honestly I've already found my natural high bro

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Just the fact that I get to do whatever I want and be whoever I want. it's just so satisfying

thorny aspen Oct 31, 2020, 3:45 PM

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so slight issue with the update so most my friends are full body users and i made a ride for halloween so basically we cant use the chairs now thanks vrc

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vrcCrying

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i sure hope you fix this before tonight i want to use the chairs instead of telling friends they cant ride if fullbody

odd blaze Oct 31, 2020, 3:49 PM

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chairs sure dont like giving tracking back right now, made a button that reset tracking on mine

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only happen first time you sit, after that they behave

thorny aspen Oct 31, 2020, 3:53 PM

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well i know few Halloween maps that are rides as well that they don't work any more unless i turn off fullbody but telling FB user to shut off tracking is a no we don't like to shut them off it gets rid of the emersion.

dusty sky Oct 31, 2020, 4:29 PM

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VRChat's Among us is epic, even though I haven't tried it but watched a yt play it

shut jewel Oct 31, 2020, 4:30 PM

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I should try that, been playing Among Us a bit lately (the normal game)

languid beacon Oct 31, 2020, 5:12 PM

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There's currently a second Among Us map that will only be live for the next 2 days - it's an alternate map where every room is eletrical

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Sounds cool

topaz verge Oct 31, 2020, 5:18 PM

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they need to fix swiping the card lmao

zealous vigil Oct 31, 2020, 5:29 PM

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?

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on among us? no?

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Wait reisen

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By any chance do I know you -_-

tame citrus Oct 31, 2020, 5:57 PM

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@modern sand I have my cloning off in vrchat and it says its on and lets people clone it, i reset my cloning and rejoin nothing happens.

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Ey anyone know a good world for skins with drawing pens built in

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Or a good furry skin world

tame citrus Oct 31, 2020, 5:59 PM

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na

covert blade Oct 31, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Turn cloning on and back off again, should usually work

tame citrus Oct 31, 2020, 6:00 PM

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i tried

covert blade Oct 31, 2020, 6:01 PM

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Mmm dunno then unless they are using a mod to force clone it

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Could also just be a bug, might be worth making a Canny for it

regal furnace Oct 31, 2020, 6:01 PM

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either cloning is broken or they have a modded client

covert blade Oct 31, 2020, 6:01 PM

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Though I wouldn't be surprised if it was just broken

tame citrus Oct 31, 2020, 6:01 PM

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its an update bug

covert blade Oct 31, 2020, 6:01 PM

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I could see someone who has me blocked after the update

tame citrus Oct 31, 2020, 6:02 PM

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ik

covert blade Oct 31, 2020, 6:02 PM

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API confirms that yes, they still have me muted and blocked, but I could see them when I joined without the mute icon either

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Which I think is a huge problem that that's even possible but I don't have nearly enough people blocked to be able to test it, nor are there many who have me blocked that I would run into

tame citrus Oct 31, 2020, 6:03 PM

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this is a big problem

covert blade Oct 31, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Yup
I do have two people blocked who are a huge problem if they could see me again all of the sudden so this is bad, but I can't really test anything relating to that

tame citrus Oct 31, 2020, 6:05 PM

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someone ask the workers about it being fixed

inland knot Oct 31, 2020, 6:43 PM

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haha funny

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exdee

ruby tiger Oct 31, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Ye, I even bought a VR

inland knot Oct 31, 2020, 6:48 PM

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I play it as if it were my job. Religiously and every day. I only sleep to VRChat Loading screen music (new version) 1 hour on loop.

hollow ingot Oct 31, 2020, 6:53 PM

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I have done so... for the most part (not THAT religiously)... fairly recently. Now, I also have favors to fulfill elsewhere.

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Arigato... Gyro...

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 7:23 PM

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I love this server bruv

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I feel welcome here

near saffron Oct 31, 2020, 7:27 PM

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New version music 👎. Old version all the way

cold talon Oct 31, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Gotta agree with tate, old music was the real mvp

dusty sky Oct 31, 2020, 7:42 PM

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wow

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this game is so epic

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it needs to go on PSVR

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 7:47 PM

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vrcMimi

paper tusk Oct 31, 2020, 8:01 PM

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resetting avatar after switching to it seems to make av3 work for others

real sluice Oct 31, 2020, 8:11 PM

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https://youtu.be/kLPN8hrenks

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honestly ....fix your shit

warm herald Oct 31, 2020, 8:12 PM

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ayaka

solar sundial Oct 31, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Halloween in vrchat sound amazing

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Agreed

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it does

solar sundial Oct 31, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Imma do that tonight

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 8:29 PM

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I can't because of life and my garbage pc

solar sundial Oct 31, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Oof

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Hope you have fun though

solar sundial Oct 31, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Thanks

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 8:29 PM

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you're welcome

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hope you have a nice week and day as well

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and hope you make some friends while you are there

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and have an amazing time there

deft temple Oct 31, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Whenever I do like anything with unity my laptop blue screens lol

tall laurel Oct 31, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Has there been any word on if they'll fix gestures today?

clear warren Oct 31, 2020, 9:06 PM

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How's everyone doin!

charred drum Oct 31, 2020, 9:37 PM

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Halloween in vrchat sound amazing
@solar sundial it's awesome, but not awesome when you and your friends spend a ton of time making halloween avatars only to have all gestures and animations be broken during the party 😦

solar sundial Oct 31, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Oof

magic ferry Oct 31, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Suppose to be doing a halloween event today but VRC decided it was a GREAT idea to release a broken update that ruined it entirely with testers that bang rocks together and calls it good. Thanks guys. Good job.

real sluice Oct 31, 2020, 10:04 PM

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exactly !

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duck this duck

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honestly like wtf.....e

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every time i see a vrc update i think : what did they break this time

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amazaing

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thats just the update. that normal for mods. but honestly.....vrc sdk 3 is litteraly still in his "child shoes" as we germans like to say

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they "update" it and ups....its broken.....yyaaaaaaay.....iam not drunk enough to ignore that shit iam sorry

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-does a emote that is not allowed in this server-

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 10:06 PM

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💤

real sluice Oct 31, 2020, 10:07 PM

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good night....-does a pat emote-

hot prairie Oct 31, 2020, 10:14 PM

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VRChat themed its Halloween around SCP stuff and now we can't even run our planned SCP event because they refused to roll back the update. I have a lot of mixed feelings.

deft wing Oct 31, 2020, 10:21 PM

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I found out how hard this game is without a mic

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I don't have one so communication is 😔

gray cave Oct 31, 2020, 10:42 PM

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is the oculus quest 2 worth to buy? I really want it

dense mica Oct 31, 2020, 10:43 PM

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VRChat themed its Halloween around SCP stuff and now we can't even run our planned SCP event because they refused to roll back the update. I have a lot of mixed feelings.

tall laurel Oct 31, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Pretty peeved that VRC pushed an untested major content creation update that broke everything 3 days before a major holiday happening on a saturday

dense mica Oct 31, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Suppose to be doing a halloween event today but VRC decided it was a GREAT idea to release a broken update that ruined it entirely with testers that bang rocks together and calls it good. Thanks guys. Good job.
@magic ferry
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vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 10:46 PM

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is the oculus quest 2 worth to buy? I really want it
@gray cave depends, considering you're on a vrchat server I'll assume you wanna play vrchat... do you have a pc for quest link? cause the quest 2 is great for everything, just limited on vrchat to the quest limitations.. so most of the time you'll see people as robots without the link

gray edge Oct 31, 2020, 10:46 PM

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I found out how hard this game is without a mic
there's avatars with pencils that can make it easier to communicte, along with pencils in worlds

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Was the previous update supposed to fix 3.0 avatars for FBT?

austere acorn Oct 31, 2020, 10:47 PM

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uh- does anybody wanna play doe ?

tall laurel Oct 31, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Not sure about the Quest 2 honestly, I've been hearing a lot about Facebook's attempts to censor actions by bricking your headset if you make "rude gestures" or "invade personal space" by tracking your motion while using the headset

gray cave Oct 31, 2020, 10:47 PM

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@vocal shard yeah i do have the link cable and a good pc.

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 10:48 PM

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No one can still see the animations on my 3.0 avatars if I'm in FBT

gray edge Oct 31, 2020, 10:48 PM

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oh my god i thought it was a joke but no it's actually real https://www.roadtovr.com/facebook-expanded-vr-policies-oculus-quest-2-privacy-policy-terms-of-service/

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 10:49 PM

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then go for it, quest 2 so far is a really solid and inexpensive option, if you don't mind the known minuses (like fb) :3 I have a quest 2 and I had a quest 1 before, it's a big step up

ruby needle Oct 31, 2020, 10:49 PM

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bricking is more then you beeing banned

gray edge Oct 31, 2020, 10:49 PM

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imagine if samsung made you agree to terms of service on their phones where you couldnt curse on phone conversations or write curse words or be rude to others

tall laurel Oct 31, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Their plan is to disable your headset and your FB account if you're rude to people in game

gray edge Oct 31, 2020, 10:50 PM

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that should absolutely not be up to samsung or to oculus to monitor or decide

tall laurel Oct 31, 2020, 10:50 PM

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It's basically bricking it

ruby needle Oct 31, 2020, 10:50 PM

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the headset doesnt get destroyed so its not bricked

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Also with that, if you ever disable your FB account all your bought oculus games will vanish too.

gray cave Oct 31, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Yeah, i think that the FB is not that big of a deal to be honest. So i will buy the guest 2 pretty soon

tall laurel Oct 31, 2020, 10:50 PM

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I mean it'll literally lock you out of using your FB or Oculus account, preventing you from launching games

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basically bricked unless you jailbreak it

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 10:50 PM

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And if you use an fake account you can get banned without an appeal.
Even if its not really an fake account. Because what are you gonna do? Not use facebook on your quest?

tall laurel Oct 31, 2020, 10:52 PM

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FB is going full dictatorship with Oculus, I'm gonna switch off of it as soon as I can afford it

gray edge Oct 31, 2020, 10:52 PM

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yea these policies are just unreasonable

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 10:53 PM

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considering quest runs on android im pretty sure people will find workarounds, also I hope fb gets enough backlash for this, that sounds awful

tall laurel Oct 31, 2020, 10:53 PM

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Not only that, but FB forced production to end on the Oculus CV1 Rift because they're built like tanks that last forever, so they just demanded that they stop production so they could release easier to break headsets to make more money

gray edge Oct 31, 2020, 10:53 PM

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imagine a game uses a special hand gesture but their highly trained algorithms and highly trained outsourced workers detect it as a sexual gesture so your facebook gets banned and say goodbye to your oculus account

tall laurel Oct 31, 2020, 10:53 PM

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Yup

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With no appeal

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 10:54 PM

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And if you use an fake account you can get banned without an appeal.
Even if its not really an fake account. Because what are you gonna do? Not use facebook on your quest?
@umbral reef depends, what a lot of people misunderstand is that you are 100% allowed to use an alias on fb that isn't your real name, you just gotta prove to them you're known under said alias if they ask and your account will be fine

frosty bluff Oct 31, 2020, 10:55 PM

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Anyone wanna hangout?

gray edge Oct 31, 2020, 10:55 PM

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i used an alias on a facebook account like a year ago and my account got locked because they wanted me to submit national ID or passport to prove its my name

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 10:55 PM

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considering quest runs on android im pretty sure people will find workarounds, also I hope fb gets enough backlash for this, that sounds awful
@vocal shard It already got 'broken' open. But facebook can just push one software update and unless a game goes out of its way (or allows you to sideload old versions then) its useless.

If your talking about fully opening up the headset, you quickly get into the problem of tracking and even running the programs also being directly part of what you just got rid of.

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 10:56 PM

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imagine a game uses a special hand gesture but their highly trained algorithms and highly trained outsourced workers detect it as a sexual gesture so your facebook gets banned and say goodbye to your oculus account
@gray edge imagine you're joking with friends and doing gestures, or doing sexual gestures on accident while messing around, it's just a stupid approach to it

gray edge Oct 31, 2020, 10:56 PM

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yea its just not something that should ever be up to the hardware manufacturer to decide

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 10:56 PM

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yuppp, that should be handled by the games and apps

gray edge Oct 31, 2020, 10:57 PM

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cant joke around and be rude with your friends or else zuckerberg will lay the ban hammer upon you

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 10:58 PM

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is that the flag of belarus?

gray edge Oct 31, 2020, 10:58 PM

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also this is from the company that asked people to enter their email password to verify their email addresses

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yea i think you're the first person to notice over the like 2 months ive had this picture @mellow palm

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 10:58 PM

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i used an alias on a facebook account like a year ago and my account got locked because they wanted me to submit national ID or passport to prove its my name
@gray edge oh I got this too, I sent them the ID and explained my alias is one im known as even tho it doesn't resemble my legal name, they unlocked the account after

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Oh damn

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are you from there?

gray edge Oct 31, 2020, 10:59 PM

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no but i support freedom

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 10:59 PM

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I don't know what's going on. But i agree with you guys. Also hope you guys have a lovely week and day and if you guys need someone to talk too. I'm here for you also I agree you just can't joke anymore or zuckerberg will slap you with a ban hammer

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 10:59 PM

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not many news reports make it out of there in the past weeks/months

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I wish them the best

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from what ive seen very nice people

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:00 PM

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just banning you off the entire headset and your account for joking about pp with your friends on a game is a next level dick move xD

gray edge Oct 31, 2020, 11:00 PM

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i think there's a strike in belarus rn

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 11:00 PM

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Agreed Nini

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:00 PM

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oh not only one

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but lets not discuss politics, whats the topic in chat rn?

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:01 PM

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this makes me want to switch off Oculus so much, gotta save up

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Facebook bad was the topic

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:01 PM

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ey, is there gonna be some room where I can watch the election with others live? in vrchat or some other vr thing? lol

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:01 PM

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So nothing new eh?

gray edge Oct 31, 2020, 11:01 PM

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quest 2 monitoring your activities while in VR to make sure you comply with their terms of service that forbids being rude or making sexual gestures

strong crystal Oct 31, 2020, 11:01 PM

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hi

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Its a shame that facebook made the quest so restricted

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I would have bought it otherwise

strong crystal Oct 31, 2020, 11:01 PM

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i ave a quest 2

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have

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:01 PM

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but now I will probably have to reside to a used vive

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:02 PM

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I have a quest 2 too

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:02 PM

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which is some sketchy stuff for me

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dunno when I can get my hands on a good one

strong crystal Oct 31, 2020, 11:02 PM

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😭

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:02 PM

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it's still a good headset, just unlucky its owned by fb

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:02 PM

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why is it restricted Fox?

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 11:02 PM

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I'm getting a quest 2👀

strong crystal Oct 31, 2020, 11:02 PM

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look

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:02 PM

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has anyone actually experienced facebook listening to your conversations? it mostly sounds like fear

strong crystal Oct 31, 2020, 11:02 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE2ZhMg_uz

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE2ZhMg_uzc

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:03 PM

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i cant watch that video

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:03 PM

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why is it restricted Fox?
@outer cedar Because facebook makes money by taking it from game developers and not selling there headset.
Also all the jazz you hear about facebook is true. Its really that simple, not hard to check and learn yourself.

strong crystal Oct 31, 2020, 11:03 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE2ZhMg_uzc

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:03 PM

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The vive isnt produced anymore so I will have to get a used one,
and used vr headsets are not always easy to find in the price range and quality id like

strong crystal Oct 31, 2020, 11:03 PM

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tis

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:03 PM

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or distance.

strong crystal Oct 31, 2020, 11:03 PM

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why

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:04 PM

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@umbral reef is it true that people are talking politics or something controversial, in a private room in some vr place, vrchat for example, and they get banned on Oculus?

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Hun you get banned from occulus for whatever reason

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:04 PM

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i dont believe that

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you have proof?

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:04 PM

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this is the first time I'm hearing of this but seeing where fb is headed it might soon be reality

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:04 PM

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the bot that locates "fake accounts" goes haywire on any newly made account be it real or fake

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:04 PM

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By there ToS yes.
If your directly in the social game facebook made then its 105% realistic.
They stated so publicly and clearly and even gave an example that they record everything you say and do within there own game so a moderator can look at it later.

strong crystal Oct 31, 2020, 11:05 PM

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thay had a fake fb acc thats why thay got baned

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:05 PM

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Record everything ya say

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now isnt that lovely

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:05 PM

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@umbral reef In games like Venues and the upcoming Facebook chat, yes. But that's logic.

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 11:05 PM

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great thanks fb

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:05 PM

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But not on all games and virtual desktop etc

strong crystal Oct 31, 2020, 11:05 PM

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f

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:05 PM

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Why cant the vive just be mast produced and put on the shelves again for the same price as the quest

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like seriously

strong crystal Oct 31, 2020, 11:05 PM

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dfS

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:06 PM

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There ToS still applies over all platforms and systems.
They might not actively look for it, but they are within there rights to take action.
Just takes one developer to join them and your fucked without any appeal.

rapid pawn Oct 31, 2020, 11:06 PM

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Not cost effective

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:06 PM

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By there ToS yes.
If your directly in the social game facebook made then its 105% realistic.
They stated so publicly and clearly and even gave an example that they record everything you say and do within there own game so a moderator can look at it later.
@umbral reef I hope they stick to humans looking at it if they already have to do this shit, otherwise some AI would just ban people unfairly :v

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:06 PM

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@umbral reef Same was with Xbox Live

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:06 PM

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I find it a disgrace that htc left the vr market like this

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putting all their eggs in one basket

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and the failing miserably

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:06 PM

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Of course they gotta state that in their rights. It's like... many rules but it's not to be taken literally. It's for judges etc.

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:07 PM

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It isnt

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:07 PM

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Proof?

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It sounds like your fear is talking, not facts because, I never heard anyone being banned over talking privately with someone

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:08 PM

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I mean the way fb works now is that they don't take action unless you're reported manually by a user or flagged for using specific words or imagery that sets off their AI and sends your post to be reviewed by moderators

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:08 PM

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Bruh
You just shilling for facebook by now?
Literally go read there community standards, its in there.
The community standard people have to follow to not get blocked form there service.

Not even there ToS, the one that has any form of legal worth.

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:08 PM

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idk how this translates to VR tho

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 11:08 PM

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Ok from what I'm hearing now fb is just crap and we all know that. But now, I'm not really sure if i should get a quest 2 from what you guys said before.😓

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:08 PM

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dont and wait a month or two

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:08 PM

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It's seriously fear talking, it's really not that black and white, like, you just talk and bam you're banned or in trouble, lol

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:08 PM

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Also the policy is still new.
Not even a month old. Ofcours you havent seen someone banned for that yet.

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:09 PM

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see what happens to the market and the quest itself

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:09 PM

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There has been literally hundreds of accounts banned already and those users lose access to the quest. Even legit accounts that have done nothing wrong, and it's a big ordeal to get it fixed. One of the vrchat devs had their account banned 3 times without even doing anything to offend the oculus/facebook rules

eager portal Oct 31, 2020, 11:09 PM

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i would definitely hold off until the kinks are sorted out

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Okay okay

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:09 PM

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"the kinks"

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vrpill

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:09 PM

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But have they been unbanned tho?

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 11:09 PM

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dont and wait a month or two
Got ya

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Haha good joke sonny

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:10 PM

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They had to send in their drivers license... Multiple times

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Ah it's about the facebook account thing

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:10 PM

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where do you take this info from Jamie? :o

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That's how facebook validates accounts that it flags

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:10 PM

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After appealing it with there high cloud account yes.

But plenty have not, go on twitter or reddit and look for the masses of people who got banned and denied there appeal.
Or even better yet- Didnt even get to appeal.

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:10 PM

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They tweeted it

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:10 PM

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jamie even then a lot of people have been gotten refused to unlock their acfount

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:10 PM

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damn

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 11:10 PM

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jeez

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Welp

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:11 PM

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I had no idea this was happening

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:11 PM

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But @vocal shard Have there been cases where people are just talking someone, about politics or something, but not too crazy... and they got banned? I don't believe that.

eager portal Oct 31, 2020, 11:11 PM

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It probably going to wind up with facebook being sued again tbh

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Desktop of me is going to be my new home for a bit

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Oh they already are

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Germany is suing them I think

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:11 PM

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@eager portal For what? They aint breaking any laws according to the us

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Worse that happens is they change there stance within europa
But for US and other consumers worldwide its still messed up

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:12 PM

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thats why there are no quests2 in germany available

eager portal Oct 31, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Technically IIRC and i could be wrong, since they have sold a device they can no longer use and its not evident that its the user fault, they could be sued but i could be wrong

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:12 PM

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sonny it depends tbh, what people might deem to just be controversial could already fall under some guideline violation, fb deems some questionable stuff as violations. using specific words could easily get actions taken against you

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:12 PM

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@vocal shard Proof? It's all speculation. I don't actually see this happening.

eager portal Oct 31, 2020, 11:12 PM

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And since facebook is already facing alot of backlash and what not, it wouldn't surprise me if it eventually get brought in front of a judge

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:12 PM

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@outer cedar that's in the Facebook tos. When the quest 2 launched, on that day a rule was changed that said they can deactivate your account if they find you breaking any of their policies, or making sexual gestures, or being in peoples personal space. Along with the policies, facebook has already deactivated accounts before quest due to polictial stuff

eager portal Oct 31, 2020, 11:12 PM

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but im no expert

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:12 PM

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@vocal shard Proof? It's all speculation. I don't actually see this happening.
@outer cedar I worked as a content Moderator for fb

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Honestly looking back on my pitch black humour id probably get banned in minutes

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so thars a yikes

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:13 PM

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@eager portal To use the device you gotta confirm you agree to there ToS and other long lists of stuff.
Its the same how those smart TV's are allowed you track you and brick themself if they cant anymore.

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:13 PM

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fuck oculus and fuck facebook, that's all

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:13 PM

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UwU

modern hill Oct 31, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Reee

pseudo basalt Oct 31, 2020, 11:13 PM

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you tell them brother

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:13 PM

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You tell them step brother

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Literally

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:13 PM

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@mellow palm thats a thing yea, I also got very black humor

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@tall osprey wow okay! But... is it so that Quest 2 owners have been banned while just talking with people? And is it banned or nothing, or what is the punishment? And if they do look at the report, what do they look at? Do they record the talk?

eager portal Oct 31, 2020, 11:16 PM

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oof

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Again- The policy isnt even a month old and its almost tradition of facebook to only enact there policies after they been there for a while.
But even if you dont get banned for doing so ingame or on the quest platform itself. Being banned on the facebook website has the exact same results.

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Ive heard that the quest has succesfully been jailbreaked but I doubt it will have any significance

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:17 PM

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@tall osprey wow okay! But... is it so that Quest 2 owners have been banned while just talking with people? And is it banned or nothing, or what is the punishment? And if they do look at the report, what do they look at? Do they record the talk?
@outer cedar idk about the quest or quest 2 specific actions they take, I just worked on fb as in their social media site itself, but if it's anything similar just saying something like calling a person dumb could already get action taken against you, probably not a straight up ban cause there are tiers to how severely a violation is punished, depending on which tier it falls into. some speech might get you straight up banned tho :v

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:17 PM

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Facebook will patch the security flaw as soon as its public forcing the users to use an older OS which means no further updates or software fixes

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:17 PM

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Ahhh okay

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:17 PM

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so the community would have to carry it on its own

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:17 PM

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You need a software version resistant jailbreak what i highly doubt is the case as they still have not released the method

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:17 PM

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And I will bet my ass on it that they will try to sue the people to the ground who jailbreaked it

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:17 PM

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Depedning where they live its totally legal

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:18 PM

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with their armada of lawyers

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:18 PM

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But I think that Facebook VR policies only apply in their own Facebook apps. Not on Vrchat for example.

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:18 PM

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nope.

scenic pivot Oct 31, 2020, 11:18 PM

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As far as I know from complaints, if the AI is confident that your account is fake, it will be banned. You don't have to post or say anything.

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:18 PM

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it applies everywhere I think

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:18 PM

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@strong plume you think... you go for the negative, hahahaa, not good, you want it to be bad ahaha

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:18 PM

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if youre using an occulus device youre under constant surveilance

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Sonny Im a pessimist.

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:18 PM

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yea im a realist

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:18 PM

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Helped me greatly this year

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Cus I know its just gonna get worse and worse

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Your not a realist

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:19 PM

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yeah whatever, thats just a belief system, I cant do anything with that

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:19 PM

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I used to really defend oculus. Even when facebook bought it in 2014 I defended it. It was only after this last policy change that I finally gave up on them

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good

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:19 PM

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No christianity is a believe system, Pessimism is a mindset

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:19 PM

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cuz fuck 'em

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:20 PM

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I dont have a system behind it

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its just that I gather remember and process data based on this attitude

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Literally had someone who worked for facebook moderation tell you it ain't a joke
It's clearly written in there user conduct document
It's also in there ToS
We have examples of facebook enacting there other policies already in-game
We have statements that they will be taking action

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:20 PM

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@vocal shard But Jamie... there is a difference in having policies, and actually forcing them upon people. There are also a lot of policies regarding contracts usually, but they don't actually use it, but it's just because policies are needed in the court.

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:20 PM

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What the fuck more do you need beside a literal smoking gun video

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:21 PM

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A bulled hitting them perhaps.

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"I wont believe it till i get banned myself"

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:21 PM

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@vocal shard I been consistent in my Facebook hate 😎

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:21 PM

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If I will see people getting banned for just behaving normally, then I will be more careful, but until then, I don't see proof of it

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Fb fucked everything. Idiots they are

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:22 PM

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no need for namecalling hun

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ah

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 11:22 PM

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matsix

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Well I know for sure fb likes monitoring and controlling everything they can. as for your question of what they look at, they look at the context in which some action was taken or speech was used, there are strict differences between what counts as a violation and what doesn't, even if you used for example a slur word, context matters in every case. however the issue here is more them potentially overall banning you off the whole headset, which you purchased, rendering everything you've bought useless, that's where I see the issue, not with them enforcing guidelines on their services, this is a piece of hardware and not their website or something :v

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:22 PM

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vrcFPaulSip

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Biometric data gathering plus recordings of your every move in vr

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sounds like data that could make a shit ton of money

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:23 PM

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@vocal shard I understand your concern. Has that happened though? I understand that it's possible. But is it actually happening? People banned for peanuts?

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:24 PM

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@outer cedar youre that one dude on the titanic asking if anyone has drowned yet while half of the ship is already under water

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:24 PM

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Because Xbox Live had these policies too I think, policies are usually very wide... but doesn't mean they force them upon you.

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:24 PM

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People are literally banned seconds after making their account O.O

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It's been happening since launch

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:24 PM

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That's because of authentication of their profile..

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thats something different

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:25 PM

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yes, I've personally seen people get unfairly banned off fb before, by poor judgment of the majority of moderators, it happens, like every few thousand reports one will be treated unfairly and suffers unjustified consequences.

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:25 PM

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@vocal shard And they get banned for a lifetime?

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:26 PM

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im not sure since we didnt get to see what happened to their account afterwards, if they got an appeal or not or were able to get it back sadly

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:26 PM

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@outer cedar youre that one dude on the titanic asking if anyone has drowned yet while half of the ship is already under water
@mellow palm I totally understand the concern. But I also see that people just wind eachother up with even worse outlooks on it... which makes it not very objective... I just try to see it from both sides

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Like i literally dont understand how low your bar is of 'unless i cant say X thing or Y action anywhere its fine'

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:27 PM

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You jusr skipped over my metaphor lol

fading abyss Oct 31, 2020, 11:27 PM

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I have read some of those who got banned too, and now they forcing people to go facebook, people may make profiles with fake names and that can get them banned in turn as well. I understand if they would make such fake profile because facebook being known with how they handle sensitive data.. good thing I went with Vive and when I heard facebook took over oculus I already was pretty sure about not going to oculus any time soon

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:28 PM

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we need some low price competitor that can rival quest

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but since vive is gone...

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:28 PM

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You jusr skipped over my metaphor lol
@mellow palm sigh

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I totally understand the fear about Facebook, but it also has a touch of paranoia to it imo. But yeah, maybe I'm naieve, who knows.

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:29 PM

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I'm just saving up rn to buy a different headset later, I hope however fb understands that if they go the direction described they might simply put people off from buying their product in the first place, and change it at a later date

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:29 PM

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Every company has these sort of policies, Steam and Microsoft and Sony has them too

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@vocal shard Then you go on an app owned by some company with the same kinda policies and you get banned on that app/game

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:29 PM

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it all comes down to how greatly this will affect their sales tbh, they're so big they don't have to worry about some people crying anymore sadly

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yea that's the difference tho, there I'd get banned off the app, with fb I'd get banned off the whole headset

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:30 PM

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I'm just saving up rn to buy a different headset later, I hope however fb understands that if they go the direction described they might simply put people off from buying their product in the first place, and change it at a later date

surely stopped me from buying the quest two

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:30 PM

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it's a difference, not an insignificant one at that

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:31 PM

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I think it's pretty normal that they have some policies, like sexual gestures etc... personally I don't care but if you look at Venues, it's super realistic... would be weird if there was no one watching that. And there will come a chatgame like Venues, way bigger, by Facebook. That's their plan, a virtual Facebook world. Of course there are policies needed for that.

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:31 PM

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Every company has these sort of policies, Steam and Microsoft and Sony has them too
@outer cedar true, however steam, Microsoft and Sony don't monitor your behavior across every game and app available on their platforms at all times

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:31 PM

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And like I said, if you are on Xbox Live or Playstation Live, you can also be reported and they will review how you behaved

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:32 PM

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They also dont block your computer if you fuck up

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Facebook literally bricks your device dude

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300 dollar paperweight

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:32 PM

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Yeah but still

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:32 PM

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yup what fox said

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:32 PM

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What but still

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:32 PM

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Problem is that the headset is cheap and needs no PC
You could literally need to send in a copy of your ID by default to facebook to use the headset and it would still sell like hot cakes

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:32 PM

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I agree that it should not be forced, to login... that I totally agree on. But the policies in general are needed of course

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:32 PM

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This only gets already established users and companies to stay off the quest. But who needs those users anyway.

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:32 PM

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their intention of trying to implement guidelines isn't inherently bad, I agree people shouldn't harass others, but the execution as it looks like rn is highly questionable

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:33 PM

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@umbral reef facebook intentionally underpriced it, they are making a loss.

dirty tactic to get rid of competitors but they have the money to do it

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:33 PM

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But Nini, that execution on the Quest 2 itself, has not been proven to be going that bad. Sounds more like a very bad launch

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Oh they are prob selling it at production costs.
Not making a profit at all but also no loss and instead just get it from game sales

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As you cant buy games anywhere else kekw

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Profit is not of 2020. Look at Uber and all those kinda companies. They don't make profit

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Oh another major issue

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:34 PM

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They make monopoly

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Facebook is buying up all the developers

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No games for other vr headsets

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Monopoly is more important than profit in 2020

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Monopoly equals profit in the long run dum dum

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Yeah, but, it's a very long run but they don't care, they got enough investors

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Well facebook stated that they want to push everything to become the market leader in VR

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:35 PM

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youve seen what happened to the cpu and gpu market after they had monopolies

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price rising quality and innocation stagnating

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and consumer rights?
a thinf of the past

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Still though, you guys gotta admit, it's not like everyone is getting banned now for talking about black lives matter or trump/biden or something, lol. It's more the fear that they have that power, that the world is talking about now.

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Nah they just ban you without giving you a reason and dont let you appeal anything kekw

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:37 PM

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And you guys say that all the apps are monitored constantly, like, every word I say... but I don't believe that. It's not an automatic system... only when you get reported for something

hollow ingot Oct 31, 2020, 11:37 PM

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~~Sorta strayed away from VRC there~~

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:37 PM

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this is also why I said, this depends a lot on how far they will reach into people's behavior on the quest.... if they do translate their known algorithm from their fb page over to the quest, that might not be the best move cause their AI still isn't as good as they'd like to believe, it flags so many things contextually wrong, yet they decided to cut their human moderators, which are needed to properly judge a situation tho.. so I hope those cut moderators are now being replaced by quest moderators that evaluate situations... otherwise they're looking at legal charges of people unfairly banned

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:37 PM

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@outer cedar you get recorded 24/7 but it will only be manually viewed once reported I believe

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its still a nervewrecking thing

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:38 PM

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@mellow palm LOL they never have the database to record every sound

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of 6 billion people

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:38 PM

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????

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:38 PM

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They stated that within there own games and platforms they record the last 30-15 minutes.

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Im talkinf about vr

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which are maybe a couple of hundred thousand at best

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:39 PM

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@vocal shard yea but there is no AI monitoring on the Quest of course

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:39 PM

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and believe me fb does have the tech for that

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Only if reported like I said

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:39 PM

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mass suirveilance and data gathering is their favourite thing

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you see, its like the shadowplay option in nvidia

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Also monitoring =/= saving all the data
They can just save it once you get reported and untill then just monitor it

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:39 PM

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My wording was off then

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:40 PM

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how do you know? Google home and Alexa have been monitoring every sound since they launched (source: a coworker that used to work as an Alexa moderator told me)

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:40 PM

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@umbral reef So... you think that if I get reported, a person will look back at all the things I did on my Quest, from watching porn (lol jk) to what I said to my mom in my room to the words I said in vrchat? Going weeks back?

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:40 PM

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the technology is long here

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:41 PM

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I mean its kinda obvious that they record everythinf

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Its amazing you can even find a doorknob on a door with the insane logic leaps you make

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:41 PM

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If I get reported, they will only check what I said in that particular conversation with that person

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:41 PM

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yes, the rest is still stored tho

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:41 PM

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@umbral reef I don't get what you mean :p

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:42 PM

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the rest is still stored but only a part will get reviewed

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:42 PM

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But they don't open that right?

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It's kinda because they are based in USA, they have almost no rules there

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:42 PM

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all of it gets sorted into the right categories, there are moderators that just teach the AI what which part of the recording means

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:42 PM

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in Europe this would never happen

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:42 PM

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so yes, everything gets listened to multiple times by moderators

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Exactly--

They do record that, they dont save all that information.
As you state 2 seconds after asking me, they only review the most recent video of you, thats what reporting is for.

They can in the future without a problem do it constantly if they wanted with there AI systems that also checks for that content on photo's/videos on there website.

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:43 PM

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facebook is already clashing with the EU about data gathering

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:43 PM

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@vocal shard But only the things that I did publicly. So... if I was in a game of Echo VR, they will maybe check the last 3 matches for example

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:44 PM

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Also as Fox said, FB is already clashing with EU over what they track, how they track, how long and how much they store it. And that applies to all there platforms including VR.

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:44 PM

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not really, for example how does your Google home or Alexa turn on when you say their name or mention locations, restaurants, etc in conversation with your spouse while the device is meant to be turned off? it doesn't ever turn off the microphone, so that it can respond to certain key words and assist you

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:45 PM

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Whatever... I feel like, privacy is something from the past and I am an open book anyway... until people get the banhammer for no reason, I will just stay laconic

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:45 PM

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so it has to listen in to catch those words

arctic zinc Oct 31, 2020, 11:45 PM

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winter lake house party

rocky atlas Oct 31, 2020, 11:45 PM

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Can anyone else not see their friend list??

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:45 PM

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@vocal shard Alright! Yeah, I totally understand your concern, don't get me wrong.

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:46 PM

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Whatever... I feel like, privacy is something from the past and I am an open book anyway... until people get the banhammer for no reason, I will just stay laconic

so youve just completely given up on arguing about it and give in to the 1984 like circuimstances of data collection?

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:46 PM

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But I also feel like, there is more nuance then black and white, they check everything or they are super bad etc. I don't think it's that simple

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:46 PM

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it's not so much that I'm afraid of getting caught doing something wrong, I don't think they care about me that much, but those are major cuts ino privacy and just because they're common use nowadays doesn't make them okay xD

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:46 PM

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Yeah I agree on that

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:46 PM

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You wouldnt run outside naked either cus "I have nothint to hide"

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or rather that you would find it okay for people to strip away your clothing because you have nothing to hide

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:48 PM

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I'm not an: I got nothing to hide person, lol. That's not my argument

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:48 PM

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"Im an open book anyway"

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Yeah, in general I am.

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Like, I will say what I want, if I get trouble with that, then it's early enough to dive into this. But I don't see it happened that much right now, so it's more speculating so yea

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I totally understand the speculation about the dangers.. but at the moment, it's not like people are constantly getting banned for behaving normally

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That's all, so I will just see where it goes, keep an eye out... but not be like black/white that they are inherently bad.

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:50 PM

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i mean, personally I have made the tradeoff of my privacy to use the Internet and apps and games, cause I know if I want to use those I have to give up the privacy, but what I'm concerned about is the fact I even have to, why can't I play a game without having my (literal) every move watched

arctic zinc Oct 31, 2020, 11:50 PM

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go to winter lake house on techno

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:51 PM

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@vocal shard But maybe there is a good reason for that? I'm devil's advocate here. They have to do that though. If they don't put that in their policies, they get really screwed by in court.

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:51 PM

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and I mean that within reason, ofc game moderators checking out reports and stuff is all fine, but why does the very device I'm using have to look at it too

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Or what if there are terrorist using the app, for example? To recruit others? Stuff like that. Or other stuff. The court in America is very detail based

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:51 PM

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that excuse is so old and lame

feral obsidian Oct 31, 2020, 11:51 PM

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What the hell is this?

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Is this VRChat topic?

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:52 PM

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yes, it's about Oculus Quest 2 uwu

feral obsidian Oct 31, 2020, 11:52 PM

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I want tell tales

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:52 PM

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In policies they say that you cannot put a cat in the microwave because sometime long ago, someone put a cat in the microwave and they lost court

feral obsidian Oct 31, 2020, 11:52 PM

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not conspiracy theories

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:52 PM

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Facebook wont get screwed in court
Your arguing it without even understanding why they would need it

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:52 PM

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That's how policies in us work lol

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Politics are ew

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Also thats an made up lawsuit (the microwave one)

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:53 PM

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policies*

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:53 PM

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why not both?

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but yeah misread that one lol

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:53 PM

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xD

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 11:53 PM

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I'll waiting next year to get a vr headset then, hope by then something good will happen

feral obsidian Oct 31, 2020, 11:54 PM

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Halloween on VRChat was lit

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:54 PM

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But guys... you think we are recorded on the Quest, outside of online games? Playing a singleplayer game and what I say to someone in my room? I don't believe that

feral obsidian Oct 31, 2020, 11:54 PM

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ended up joining a misadventure of babysitting a drunk guy

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 11:54 PM

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oh no

feral obsidian Oct 31, 2020, 11:54 PM

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Found two ladds hanging about

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:55 PM

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hmmmmm im not sure if they'd go as far as that, but as much as I'd like to believe they won't i don't see it impossible :v for that one we gotta wait and see tho

feral obsidian Oct 31, 2020, 11:55 PM

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the one who was supposed to get drunk that day was still sober, while his friend who was supposed to take care of the other chugged a whole bottle in one go

raw pine Oct 31, 2020, 11:55 PM

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Agreed Nini, we have to wait and see

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~~fb you cunts ~~

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:56 PM

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@vocal shard But... if they would use the information they see, outside of the online game (which I totally understand they record what I say in an online game), they would never ever get away with that.

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And I think you won't find a case of that

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:56 PM

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Why would they not? Its not illegal at all.

outer cedar Oct 31, 2020, 11:56 PM

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@umbral reef Has it happened tho?

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:56 PM

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Not yet to our knowledge

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:56 PM

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that's exactly why people are flipping, based on how they formulated it that could be very possible

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:57 PM

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And as i stated for the 3rd time by now. The new policy aint even a month old. So its hard to judge over it as its not even properly in effect.

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:57 PM

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Also banning someone off the whole headset for being an Asse in a game, usually you'd just get banned from the game instead

mellow palm Oct 31, 2020, 11:58 PM

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I miss the days where everyones mother had affairs with 13 year olds on modern warfare

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Where toxic shittalking was normal

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:58 PM

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And i still find it insane that being fully banned of all oculus platforms without an appeal option is only worrying enough if it happens in singleplayer games.

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:58 PM

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that's the thing tho sonny, I don't see a problem for me personally either, but for matters like this we gotta look beyond just our personal effect.w. look at other players too

umbral reef Oct 31, 2020, 11:59 PM

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Mess up on the facebook platform? Bricked product.
Want to remove your facebook account? Bricked platform
Get bot-banned for what ever reason? Bricked platform

vocal shard Oct 31, 2020, 11:59 PM

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for example

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or you're just having a bad day, it happens to the best of us, and go off on someone, boom, account banned, all games you purchased gone, can't use headset you paid for

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that's the thing tho, they could do it, if they will is the other question, but it gives them the power to flip any day and be like "e h, yea i don't like you lemme perma ban you for that insult"

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imagine like, you use your pc and Windows itself locks you out for calling someone a curse word in a game

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 12:03 AM

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People have gotten banned for literally having 2 quests...

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:04 AM

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yes this is what we've been talking about this whole time xD at least I have

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 12:04 AM

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Took them weeks to get it resolved

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:04 AM

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it hasn't happened but just the fact they leave themselves that backdoor, which not every company has contrary to your belief, is concerning

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I mean at their size they will have the people anyway, what they're more concerned about are their investors and partners, to keep a squeaky clean image

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 12:06 AM

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Thats the commentary on the rule. The reason its writen like that is because they assume (right fully so) that an AI wont watch over you and it only triggers once someone reports you.

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:06 AM

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that's the thing tho, they do ban your console

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Gotta say dude, you constantly moving the goal post is boring

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Literal debate lord arguments

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:07 AM

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no cause why does fb have to monitor my games if the game companies are already doing that individually

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I don't use Xbox live

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they're poopy too

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I understand this is a general trend but being like, only cause 2 other kids jump into the fire doesn't make it the right thing to do

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they can easily make the games and apps that launch on their platform agree to comply with their guidelines and do the monitoring and banning for their individual games and apps

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 12:09 AM

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Keep in mind, facebook already limits what games can be on there store with the quest

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:09 AM

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and not have this whole. ordeal

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 12:10 AM

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So they can just limit smaller games that cant monitor there content if they wanted

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Or provide there service to them.

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Not like the developers can say no to that.
There only option then is to not sell there game on an really big platform

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What if facebook was not shit 🙃

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:11 AM

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I told you sonny, it's not cause why does fb have to look at my shit if the game or app im using is already doing that

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 12:11 AM

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Too bad they do all that and its not worth wasting time even thinking about if they would not.

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:11 AM

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don't just shove my argument aside and repeat what I already answered to please xD

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Also I never said its inherently bad

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I legit said it isn't a few messages back

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the intent isn't bad but the execution is questionable

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omg okay you're going in circles at this point

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 12:15 AM

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Dude- honestly, feel free to keep defending your bad buy.
You have been moving the goalpost on whats fine and what isnt during all of this.
You got to talk to someone who worked for them on there other platforms. Talked to someone who gets payed to know this stuff, because if i did even 1% of the shit facebook pulls id be risking jailtime.

You been arguing for the sake of arguing and it only makes you look dumb tbh-

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:16 AM

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looking dumb and being dumb is a difference... he didn't make it personal, just made it about your appearance based on this argument to him

arctic zinc Nov 1, 2020, 12:17 AM

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winter lake house party ))))

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:17 AM

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Also you don't seem to be understanding both sides since you kept repeating the same arguments that have already been countered before...

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I get that you're trying to not just go against fb right away, which is all fine and good, however if you did understand the concerns you'd see why it is so concerning, based on your convo here I can tell you don't really understand that tho

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Good thing i been hating on big tech companies constantly for the past 4 years.
Reported companies more then once to EU instances with actual results and it being a field kinda close to my job.

Claiming you understand both sides while not knowing the basics is kinda whack.
Its fine you want to keep using facebook, staying sharp means nothing as most of facebook actions wont happen until its too late for you to take action against it.

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Man I worked for fb, there are aspects I like about them, I'm not all "fb bad" in all regards, but if they mess up I call it how I see it

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Ahh that's a shame. Because I agree that they monitor stuff, but I just don't believe the offline monitoring. And I asked for proof and you couldn't give me that (regarding quest 2) that makes it a circle for me too
@outer cedar idk why you keep persisting on offline monitor when I never claimed they monitor offline on quest?

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Take care

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:22 AM

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this is why it's important to pay attention to what the other person is even saying...

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Bai bai

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if you did you would see i wasn't being black or white, tho

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... just work on your regular reading capabilities, that'll be enough

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vrcAevSip

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then why do you keep talking?

verbal meteor Nov 1, 2020, 12:27 AM

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It's like both sides are trying to get the last line in here. :p

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:27 AM

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you're correct :D

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okay so, you kept repeating arguments that have already been countered without finding new ones to support your claims, you kept coming back to the offline monitoring argument even tho that wasn't any major focus to anyone other than you, you kept directly understanding the opposite of what we were saying, and then you wonder how we both lost our patience and why I won't shower you in compassion after you became passive aggressive yourself, okay. I'll go, have fun with whatever last word you're gonna reply with now vrcHandWave

pastel portal Nov 1, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Literally no one on this discord server knows how to have a normal discussion lmao

charred copper Nov 1, 2020, 12:41 AM

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I'm just wondering what I walked in on lol

outer cedar Nov 1, 2020, 12:41 AM

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Well

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It was a normal discussion but they lost patience because I didn't agree or something, I dunno. I was all the time trying to have a nice conversation lol

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a peaceful discussion is rare nowadays

pastel portal Nov 1, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Im losing braincells trying to read back message by message

charred copper Nov 1, 2020, 12:42 AM

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I did a little, but I was just like "I don't really care" lmao

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:43 AM

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a peaceful discussion is rare nowadays
@outer cedar says the person that deleted all the spicy comments of theirs xD

outer cedar Nov 1, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Yeah I don't like to be framed into something I'm not. Thank you. Bye

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:44 AM

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looks more like you're hiding it

outer cedar Nov 1, 2020, 12:45 AM

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yeah that's your freedom to decide

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:45 AM

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I mean, you know you can delete it off discord but not from my memory

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xD

raw pine Nov 1, 2020, 12:46 AM

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Damn

outer cedar Nov 1, 2020, 12:46 AM

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Lol, you are so dramatic Nini ahahahahaa

verbal meteor Nov 1, 2020, 12:46 AM

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It's interesting to watch from the outside too, honestly though, at this point it's just gonna keep going until one of you blocks the other.

outer cedar Nov 1, 2020, 12:46 AM

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I just dont like this negative stuff, I just tried to have a nice conversation

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so whatever

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what else can I say whahaha

clear warren Nov 1, 2020, 12:46 AM

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Hi everyone

raw pine Nov 1, 2020, 12:47 AM

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Heya!

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:47 AM

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nerzarn, you're again right tbh

clear warren Nov 1, 2020, 12:47 AM

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Ello stoxe

raw pine Nov 1, 2020, 12:47 AM

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Hey

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:47 AM

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hi hi :3

outer cedar Nov 1, 2020, 12:47 AM

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Choose anger if you want, just remember, its a choice. My intentions were good ❤️

clear warren Nov 1, 2020, 12:48 AM

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I feel welcome 💝

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:48 AM

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look the fake preaching is back

stone sluice Nov 1, 2020, 12:48 AM

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Hello people

clear warren Nov 1, 2020, 12:48 AM

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Hai

raw pine Nov 1, 2020, 12:48 AM

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Hey

charred copper Nov 1, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Hello there

stone sluice Nov 1, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Some real people to talk to ;-;

charred copper Nov 1, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Psyche

stone sluice Nov 1, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Hey hey

charred copper Nov 1, 2020, 12:49 AM

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I'm a figment of your imagination

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:49 AM

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hi Mr mute

outer cedar Nov 1, 2020, 12:49 AM

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look the fake preaching is back
@vocal shard you are dark. 😢 hope you find peace, bye

verbal meteor Nov 1, 2020, 12:49 AM

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I'm just killing time while mc'ing in the background, real talk though, really looking forward to dabbling about vrchat with the updated friends syncing.

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Not had chance yet.

stone sluice Nov 1, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Hi nini

raw pine Nov 1, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Hello there
General Kenobi

charred copper Nov 1, 2020, 12:50 AM

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Good

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That actually is my default greeting nowadays. It wasn't even on purpose lol

raw pine Nov 1, 2020, 12:51 AM

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Nice lol

hoary raven Nov 1, 2020, 12:52 AM

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Good
@charred copper
That's what she said

spiral inlet Nov 1, 2020, 12:52 AM

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thats what she said

charred copper Nov 1, 2020, 12:52 AM

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Oh, you two

devout escarp Nov 1, 2020, 12:53 AM

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does anyone know how to remove the legacy full body launch optionn? or do i jsut have to reinstall I wanteed to use the new calibration

timber moss Nov 1, 2020, 12:53 AM

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How do you get a specific avatar? For example, I want a Monkey avatar. How do I get one?

ruby needle Nov 1, 2020, 12:54 AM

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the same way you added it @devout escarp

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remove the launch parameter

charred copper Nov 1, 2020, 12:54 AM

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You can either find a monkey model online and put it in vrchat or find someone in game who has one and clone off of them. @timber moss

devout escarp Nov 1, 2020, 12:54 AM

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OH im a idiot thank you, I was lookinmg at the properties of the wrong thing lol

timber moss Nov 1, 2020, 12:55 AM

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You can either find a monkey model online and put it in vrchat or find someone in game who has one and clone off of them. @timber moss
@charred copper how do i find a monkey model online?

charred copper Nov 1, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Google

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 12:55 AM

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you can also browse avatar worlds in vrc uwu

stone sluice Nov 1, 2020, 12:56 AM

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@Mrduckykid search vrchat avatars

vivid beacon Nov 1, 2020, 12:57 AM

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I like your funny words magic man

verbal meteor Nov 1, 2020, 12:58 AM

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I remember using one or two of the ape escape avatars for a time, can't remember who published them, but it was one of the bigger avatar worlds.

timber moss Nov 1, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Google
@charred copper already vtried

tacit rapids Nov 1, 2020, 12:58 AM

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are there issues with cloning ?

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my friends can't seem to clone my avi's

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any of them

sharp saddle Nov 1, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Pug event?

stone sluice Nov 1, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Here's a website that provides avatars @timber moss https://sketchfab.com/tags/vrchat

timber moss Nov 1, 2020, 1:02 AM

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tysm

fair hill Nov 1, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Isn't it possible for the vrchat team to make a rollback to the version where everything works and put this version in beta? It would be better for the avarage player and maybe it would be a better release if it gets debugged, or am I wrong?

gleaming kraken Nov 1, 2020, 1:02 AM

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i think i just found the strangest bug yet... im on pc... yet its telling me im on quest....??!?!

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the quest version is compiled for a completely different architecture... how could something like this happen...

vivid beacon Nov 1, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Because your computer has evolved, just backwards by developing autism

gleaming kraken Nov 1, 2020, 1:04 AM

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x_x

stone sluice Nov 1, 2020, 1:04 AM

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XD

fair hill Nov 1, 2020, 1:04 AM

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XD

pliant junco Nov 1, 2020, 1:05 AM

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AHAHAH

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 1:05 AM

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xD

stone sluice Nov 1, 2020, 1:05 AM

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It's been 4 months since i played vrchat, my pc broke and i hope vrchat has a good updates

pliant junco Nov 1, 2020, 1:05 AM

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i like dreaming too

stone sluice Nov 1, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Who does't

pliant junco Nov 1, 2020, 1:06 AM

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ikr

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Vrchat broke

stone sluice Nov 1, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Bread with melon flavour

pliant junco Nov 1, 2020, 1:08 AM

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chewing gum pizza

stone sluice Nov 1, 2020, 1:08 AM

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:0

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I want

fair hill Nov 1, 2020, 1:08 AM

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Ew

pliant junco Nov 1, 2020, 1:08 AM

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ewe

timber moss Nov 1, 2020, 1:10 AM

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how do i get a skechfab model into vrchat itself?

stone sluice Nov 1, 2020, 1:10 AM

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I just dunno tbh xD

timber moss Nov 1, 2020, 1:10 AM

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on oclus

stone sluice Nov 1, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Wait

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I think you should download blender

charred copper Nov 1, 2020, 1:13 AM

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You go to Blender to rig it, and then put it in Unity to actually put it in vrchat. If you don't know how to do that, then you'll have to look up how to do it.

stone sluice Nov 1, 2020, 1:14 AM

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There are a very helpful videos on youtube, they will teach you how to put your avatars in vrchat

charred copper Nov 1, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Yep

stone sluice Nov 1, 2020, 1:15 AM

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Make sure that you download the last update of unity

ruby needle Nov 1, 2020, 1:20 AM

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You need unity 2018.4.20f1

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nothing newer (and nothing older ideally aswell)

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So not the latest Unity.

stone sluice Nov 1, 2020, 1:22 AM

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Hmm weird, last time it told me that this update won't work on

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I think i got the wrong link or something

warped summit Nov 1, 2020, 1:37 AM

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anyone else getting 10fps for couple minute after starting the game in vr? its maxing out my gpu when it does that.

fair hill Nov 1, 2020, 1:38 AM

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not me

crystal burrow Nov 1, 2020, 1:43 AM

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Halloween night and they still haven't fixed full body animations working :[

shut zodiac Nov 1, 2020, 1:46 AM

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anyone want to play

shell harness Nov 1, 2020, 1:47 AM

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anyone with wmr having issue with the new vrc update? i can't tilt/peek using my head.

silent canopy Nov 1, 2020, 2:48 AM

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hi

humble moth Nov 1, 2020, 2:52 AM

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is someone d dosing vrchat bunch of friends and me having issues and not is same worlds

vale rapids Nov 1, 2020, 3:02 AM

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I'm getting an issue where I can't hear anyone and my microphone isn't playing my voice to others.

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It was working fine, but when I closed and reopened VRChat, this started happening. Known issue? Is there a fix?

thorny aspen Nov 1, 2020, 3:05 AM

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yeh im having connection issues

visual zealot Nov 1, 2020, 3:06 AM

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is game dying

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 3:06 AM

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anyone wanna play with me dm me im bored

river pagoda Nov 1, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Wait if there's an option to mark an avatar as nsfw, are they like, allowed or something?

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I'm actually kinda confused

ruby needle Nov 1, 2020, 3:07 AM

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No they are forbidden

river pagoda Nov 1, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Why tf is there an option then lmao?

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Whatever

ruby needle Nov 1, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Why thats still there is a good question... it's a super old leftover that probably should be removed

river pagoda Nov 1, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Whatever

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Now im curious if marking an avatar will just instantly get it deleted

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With that marked

crude inlet Nov 1, 2020, 3:15 AM

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my friendlist isnt loading...

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been over 5 minutes

manic spade Nov 1, 2020, 3:16 AM

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aw i wanna google stuff you can do with your boyfriend in vr but google just gives me stories about people that met in vrchat

soft turret Nov 1, 2020, 3:20 AM

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video players broke?

crystal burrow Nov 1, 2020, 3:20 AM

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Man what a lame VR Halloween.

VRChat keeps locking up in loading screens or just not starting. Animations are STILL broken. Voices seem to still occasionally glitch out.

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 3:21 AM

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gJO5huJIybY

obsidian palm Nov 1, 2020, 3:21 AM

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everything is breaking

slate rock Nov 1, 2020, 3:21 AM

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rip

crystal burrow Nov 1, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Figures. I get a new GPU and only get to use it for like...a week then they break everything and it's meh.

steep laurel Nov 1, 2020, 3:23 AM

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@manic spade lot of couple things you can do, I'm getting on to watch horror movies with my gf rn :3

slate rock Nov 1, 2020, 3:26 AM

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uwu

tame wasp Nov 1, 2020, 3:27 AM

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time for vrchat to go brrrr

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 3:31 AM

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can yall just go back 5 updates plz,

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to a ver that actually works?

crystal burrow Nov 1, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Yeah....I wish would've looked up all these problems before-hand and halted updates or something

visual zealot Nov 1, 2020, 3:34 AM

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bruh

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I'd like to not have connection issues please

clear warren Nov 1, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Bro I was having the best time of my life and then my headset died didn't help that I already drained my elite strap

light saddle Nov 1, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Reee vrchat big bad atm

lucid rock Nov 1, 2020, 3:59 AM

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there's 24,000 people online rn. what do you expect xD

soft turret Nov 1, 2020, 4:00 AM

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lol dam almost as if it's a weekend for a big holiday

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relax, players. server issues are a given

sharp heron Nov 1, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Suddenly can't join worlds and avatars aren't loading.
Ree indeed.

idle elm Nov 1, 2020, 4:02 AM

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The pug has music and lights!

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500mb+ of it!

lucid rock Nov 1, 2020, 4:02 AM

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vrcVard

soft turret Nov 1, 2020, 4:02 AM

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good job OwlBoy

shut zodiac Nov 1, 2020, 4:09 AM

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FSAFE15

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anyone want toplay

marble totem Nov 1, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Yeah I'd be in the pug right now if VRChat actually worked for once.

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Still has the same crashing, freezing, and inoperative animations as before the update

shut zodiac Nov 1, 2020, 4:25 AM

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ok

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anyone want to play

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 4:37 AM

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anyone wanna sing a song in vrchat public worlds the song is fight back by neffex

modern sand Nov 1, 2020, 5:42 AM

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@vocal shard Did you submit an avatar for spookality ? If so it's private currently

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 5:43 AM

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Made it public @modern sand

forest lantern Nov 1, 2020, 5:47 AM

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whos down to play in a scarymap ??

dry bolt Nov 1, 2020, 5:59 AM

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So I'm newer to vr chat but I rarely can get a good experience, every world I go in is either super laggy and crowded or theres people yelling slurs at each other

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any ideas?

forest lantern Nov 1, 2020, 6:02 AM

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ummm try to find a single server or sum

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or play with friends

tender fulcrum Nov 1, 2020, 6:05 AM

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is there any way to remove all 'show avatar' statuses without having to remove all blocks/mutes too

dry bolt Nov 1, 2020, 6:06 AM

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ummm try to find a single server or sum
@forest lantern whats a single server? also friends isn't an option

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Welcome!

forest lantern Nov 1, 2020, 6:21 AM

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its really fun tbh

charred drum Nov 1, 2020, 6:21 AM

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vrchat is awesome. but some things are still broken

obsidian crag Nov 1, 2020, 6:21 AM

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fixed social refres. now literally takes 3m to load socil ok

forest lantern Nov 1, 2020, 6:22 AM

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yeah tbhb

obsidian crag Nov 1, 2020, 6:22 AM

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lit still waiting cor social lis to open

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why even patch about fixing and then do the exact opposite

forest lantern Nov 1, 2020, 6:23 AM

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lmao]

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among us version is fun tbh

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 6:24 AM

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Yeah, but the bugs are being worked out

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KomiNod

obsidian crag Nov 1, 2020, 6:24 AM

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So far they have gotten worse lol

forest lantern Nov 1, 2020, 6:24 AM

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lol

obsidian crag Nov 1, 2020, 6:24 AM

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No 3.0 toggles, social not updating when first logging on, world owner getting voice bug.

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Running events has been rough as fuck past week or so

forest lantern Nov 1, 2020, 6:24 AM

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true

charred drum Nov 1, 2020, 6:25 AM

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man I hope is fixed for furality. since it wasn't for Halloween

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 6:25 AM

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The root of the problem has been getting narrowed down

forest lantern Nov 1, 2020, 6:25 AM

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hope so

charred drum Nov 1, 2020, 6:25 AM

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my friends and I spent a ton of time making Halloween avatars too

forest lantern Nov 1, 2020, 6:25 AM

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ouu lets see one

charred drum Nov 1, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Were there backend changes that were the reason they were so resistant to rolling back the failed versions?

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 6:26 AM

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That's likely why they disabled stations in the latest patch for certain tracking methods. I think some were saying things may be linked to the new ability to tell if you're using desktop, vr, or fbt. But I have no official word on that

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Just speculation

feral obsidian Nov 1, 2020, 6:27 AM

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My issues were fixed or disappeared today

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audio plays just fine

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Just the crouch animation's left

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and push to talk not functioning anymore on my side

forest lantern Nov 1, 2020, 6:27 AM

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its buggy

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 6:27 AM

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And yeah. A lot of this update deals with unifying the game to be more stable in future builds. A lot of current avatar 3.0 stuff was made while we were all learning how it worked. So some people had things done differently and there were some backend issues it was causing

obsidian crag Nov 1, 2020, 6:30 AM

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And been having portals just putting you in limbo lately as well..

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Shits been frustrating as hell. Also is VRC ever going to monetize in some way? I've wondered this forever.

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Trying to run an event. Go thru portal. limbo for 5 m. Booted back to home world. Social still not even loading. Lord this is frustrating.

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Monetization is possible in the future. But for now they're still running on investor funding

obsidian crag Nov 1, 2020, 6:34 AM

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That's what I thought.

near gust Nov 1, 2020, 6:34 AM

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in all my avatars my view is in my mouth now is this a known issue or new

obsidian crag Nov 1, 2020, 6:35 AM

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I was hoping some day they could implement a simple but not overhwelming monetary system to allow creators to sell optimized avatars, and just take a cut or something. Then creators would be forced to make good opt avatars, and then VRC gets to have an income to invest int he platform more too.

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The beautiful of VRC though is the freedom for creators, so I hope that's never hurt.

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 6:36 AM

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There would likely need to be some system to ensure that avatars are made by the creators, and don't use assets taken from somewhere else without permission

obsidian crag Nov 1, 2020, 6:38 AM

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Yeah that would be nice. Currently all avatar creator stuff is a lot based on trust. And we kidna police our own communities. Only thing we can do is blacklist people from events and clubs if they're a known ripper or leaker.

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my social lisr has legit not losded tonight

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this is innsane

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and now i accept an inv, everything disappesrs, just freeze n get kicked to homeworld after 10m

swift jackal Nov 1, 2020, 6:42 AM

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i cant even log in rnhaha

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is vrc getting ddossed?

obsidian crag Nov 1, 2020, 6:43 AM

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awesome

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Vrchat fucked tonight then?

proper thunder Nov 1, 2020, 6:43 AM

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yep

candid acorn Nov 1, 2020, 6:44 AM

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its been fucked since tuesday. this is just the cherry on top. so much for halloween week

swift jackal Nov 1, 2020, 6:44 AM

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they wouldruin it for holiday sadface

unborn fiber Nov 1, 2020, 6:45 AM

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anyone else having issues logging in

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through steam

swift jackal Nov 1, 2020, 6:45 AM

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yes

candid acorn Nov 1, 2020, 6:45 AM

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yes

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hes dead, jim.

unborn fiber Nov 1, 2020, 6:45 AM

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lmao

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i say that all the time funny.

obsidian crag Nov 1, 2020, 6:46 AM

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poggers

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had fucking 70 people in a group lol

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 6:48 AM

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we're getting DDoSed by having the most people online at the same time we've ever had 😛

candid acorn Nov 1, 2020, 6:48 AM

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trying to do costume contest with a full 80 man packed instance
no frames
3.0 broken
network issues
it's all so tiresome

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Servers are strugglin

gloomy sequoia Nov 1, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Oh no

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 6:48 AM

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we've got eyes on but uh

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there's a lot of people online

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🙂

gloomy sequoia Nov 1, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Halloween at home is overloading the system.

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 6:49 AM

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@candid acorn Frames were fine in the instance I was in! You might want to ensure the people in your instance are using performant avatars. Smile

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Nope

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 6:49 AM

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Knuckles peaked at 20k

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 6:49 AM

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we are beyond knuckles numbers

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 6:49 AM

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We hit over 24k earlier tonight

gloomy sequoia Nov 1, 2020, 6:49 AM

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No frame issues for me, just loading and signing in issues.

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 6:49 AM

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Yes, we beat knuckles numbers about a month or so ago

gloomy sequoia Nov 1, 2020, 6:49 AM

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Dang

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 6:49 AM

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and have been setting new records every weekend

candid acorn Nov 1, 2020, 6:49 AM

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it's a costume contest, tupper. you cant give people the tools to make amazing avatars, and then go "yeah but try being performant :^)

weak swan Nov 1, 2020, 6:49 AM

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i0

vast tulip Nov 1, 2020, 6:49 AM

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I will say, if you are in a world right now. or you can get in one. consider yourself snowed in.

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 6:49 AM

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yes i can flame

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i am doing it right now

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🙂

weak swan Nov 1, 2020, 6:50 AM

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its probably because of the among us game in vrc lol

vast tulip Nov 1, 2020, 6:50 AM

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you can exist in the world fine with no issues. changing worlds is what causes an issue

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 6:50 AM

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🤔 what timezone is so awake right now that they are playing

edgy mulch Nov 1, 2020, 6:50 AM

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i can't even start up the game

orchid raptor Nov 1, 2020, 6:51 AM

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I can't even gets worlds to load, let alone avatars in a world by myself. Think I'm going to call it a night at that and wait for the cool down / patches to the MIC viseme bug; gets really irritating watching my lips move in a mirror when any world audio is playing; it's like the MIC is picking up the headset audio, despite the ingame MIC/Icon not lighting up. Aah well, hope everyone had a relatively good sp00kyween.

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 6:51 AM

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confluence of factors, the pandemic definitely boosted us but it isn't the only thing

edgy mulch Nov 1, 2020, 6:51 AM

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i just keep logging in, it hangs on a screen, i get the denial sound then it logs in again

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 6:51 AM

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yes, we're struggling due to having a huge amount of people online at the moment

hollow shale Nov 1, 2020, 6:52 AM

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how do i buy vrc premium

weak swan Nov 1, 2020, 6:52 AM

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LOL

rigid grove Nov 1, 2020, 6:53 AM

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social tab is empty

weak swan Nov 1, 2020, 6:53 AM

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servers are pooping

rigid grove Nov 1, 2020, 6:53 AM

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oof

hidden wedge Nov 1, 2020, 6:54 AM

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good servers

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😃 👍

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cant wait to get on and not be able to do anything 😃 👍

weak swan Nov 1, 2020, 6:54 AM

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LOL

hollow shale Nov 1, 2020, 6:56 AM

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bruh

storm trout Nov 1, 2020, 6:57 AM

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are the servers down? I cannot get past the initial loading screen, it just loads infinitely

obsidian crag Nov 1, 2020, 6:57 AM

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Yes, VRC premium pls

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Best mmorpg

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 6:58 AM

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@storm trout check #announcements

tawdry plover Nov 1, 2020, 6:58 AM

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Can vrchat upgrade their servers please

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this happens every year

faint skiff Nov 1, 2020, 6:58 AM

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Odd that there's issues now, given that there's around 2000 people less on now than a few hours ago. Unless everyone just bailed.

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 6:59 AM

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We buffed up our servers for this weekend in anticipation, but everyone's enthusiasm apparently murdered them anyways dead

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we're looking into it

regal jackal Nov 1, 2020, 7:00 AM

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ye i broke

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 7:00 AM

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Just overclock the server with maximum spookiness

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 7:00 AM

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:[

runic yarrow Nov 1, 2020, 7:03 AM

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heyyy

fierce briar Nov 1, 2020, 7:03 AM

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I'm just glad the servers were mostly stable during most events

slate rock Nov 1, 2020, 7:09 AM

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I love the attention vrchat is getting, but man do we need to support it

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server upgrade soon hopefully

marsh stump Nov 1, 2020, 7:11 AM

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Lol did dst just make vrc servers go brrrr

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 7:12 AM

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They literally stated things are unstable because of the sheer user numbers
Odds are if they rollback the networking performance would take a giant hit and function even worse

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And they upped servers before the weekend but they underestimated it

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You literally didnt read what i wrote 🙃

amber juniper Nov 1, 2020, 7:13 AM

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if they considered a rollback, it would have happend days ago.

kindred dew Nov 1, 2020, 7:14 AM

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disconnect everyone on vrc and reboot servers

marsh stump Nov 1, 2020, 7:14 AM

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Also since the quest 2 is more powerful, it should be able to render some pc avatars

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 7:14 AM

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They optimized a large part of the game, what sadly enough caused the problems.
Big odds those optimizations are the reason the servers even stayed stable for this long with the insane numbers.

marsh stump Nov 1, 2020, 7:14 AM

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That or dynamic bones

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 7:14 AM

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@kindred dew Thats just called ddosing yourself

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 7:14 AM

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That's not how quest and pc avatars work

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I can’t log in

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 7:14 AM

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@marsh stump Beside that it does not use a PC language so it literally can not understand those avatars.

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 7:15 AM

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disconnect everyone on vrc and reboot servers
@kindred dew That would make the problem worse everyone connecting to the server all at once lol you think rn is bad

odd blaze Nov 1, 2020, 7:15 AM

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vrchat broke

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 7:15 AM

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that would be terrible

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 7:15 AM

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@vocal shard @odd blaze Check #announcements

kindred dew Nov 1, 2020, 7:15 AM

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put it on maintenace

void marsh Nov 1, 2020, 7:15 AM

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i cry

kindred dew Nov 1, 2020, 7:15 AM

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refuse the incoming traffic

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time to boot up nord

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 7:17 AM

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What stuff?

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 7:18 AM

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#open-beta-info

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 7:18 AM

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The server is experiencing issues due to the high load.

The updates have all been tested in opened and closed betas

stuck wing Nov 1, 2020, 7:18 AM

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i guess now is a bad time to try and be uploading worlds

kindred dew Nov 1, 2020, 7:18 AM

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lol the vpn thing worked

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 7:18 AM

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Then you know when they got tested 👀

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 7:19 AM

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The initial update that started this had issues that were not prevalent during the closed beta, or the two weeks of open beta.

The updates after have been slowly fixing issues, but stating that much is still broken and they're narrowing it down

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 7:19 AM

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You cant test test having more then 20K people on a server lmao

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They knew this would happend, increased the servers already but undershot the amount

void marsh Nov 1, 2020, 7:20 AM

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thats crazy dude

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why dont you sign up to work for vrchat since you're god emperor reborn

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sounds like a plan see you working on the servers soon?

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 7:22 AM

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Ah yes as they for sure got physical servers

void marsh Nov 1, 2020, 7:22 AM

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you're the smartest person in the room dude im sure they'd hire you on the spot

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 7:22 AM

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A company with workers all over the world would never use any cloud service 👀

void marsh Nov 1, 2020, 7:23 AM

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holy smokes

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that's like a straight pass to CTO?

obsidian palm Nov 1, 2020, 7:24 AM

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can someone tell me when th3y done

void marsh Nov 1, 2020, 7:24 AM

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no i dont think i will

obsidian palm Nov 1, 2020, 7:24 AM

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OK Thanks cool.

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:25 AM

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Gonna say this >.> VRC needs to drop its Javascript menus in game

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javascript and unity dont work well together

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i know from my own things

void marsh Nov 1, 2020, 7:26 AM

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there's so many experts on tonight i think halloween has really brought us all together

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:26 AM

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your right they wont

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Javascript is really unsecure if you dont set it up right

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also javascript is really unoptomized

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an its not like they need it for Lua support

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lol its why i stopped making avatars

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wait lol really?

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the files are not encrypted in the cashe?

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 7:28 AM

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@plush bison There are a lot of reasons its imposible to do so.
Even if they wanted, it would just be a question of time before the system gets broken open.

Only way an asset within a game cant be cracked even with time is when its stream only.

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:28 AM

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so i could legit decompile all that?

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i dont get on vrc that much but useful to know

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 7:28 AM

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@plush bison which building would that be? Because uh... we've always been 100% remote. So. 🤔

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 7:28 AM

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@lunar lark Even if it was, it would not be too hard to decyper as the game has to do that constantly to see them.

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 7:29 AM

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very big thinkies

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:29 AM

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hm

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good thing i use VMs like no tomorrow XD

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 7:29 AM

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all game assets you download are insecure
@plush bison huh

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:29 AM

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got a mac os vm

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got a windows vm

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got a bsd vm an more lol

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 7:30 AM

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all game assets you download are insecure
@plush bison huh

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:30 AM

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vms for days for all my windows games

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 7:31 AM

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Explain what you mean by insecure

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:31 AM

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i mean VRC dose use Unity

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 7:31 AM

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I can explain without being needlessly vague-- if data exists on your computer, you can access it, given infinite time

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Ohh i see what hes saying

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:32 AM

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as long as you know how to reverse a bianary file an brute force its cypher you can decompile most unity file formats

void marsh Nov 1, 2020, 7:32 AM

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so @plush bison they work remote so like are you lying to us dude? it's a sin man i don't want you to suffer eternal damnation 😢

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 7:32 AM

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I mean, we could start using Denuvo WinkBOYE

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(this is a joke)

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:32 AM

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not Denuvo

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please no not like R6

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 7:33 AM

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Just start streaming all content Tupper
Dont let users download anything vrcAevSip

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:33 AM

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i cant use my VMs with R6

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i want to continue to use my VMs with vrchat

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 7:33 AM

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Yes, the only actual perfect defense is to make VRChat a Stadia exclusive. Unlike my previous chat message, this isn't a joke. 🙂

muted wharf Nov 1, 2020, 7:33 AM

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monkaCes

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:33 AM

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no

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Xbox game pass is better

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plus Xbox support XD

potent fern Nov 1, 2020, 7:34 AM

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Stadia.... emoji

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 7:34 AM

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oh yeah i hear xbox's cloud gaming thing is nice

amber juniper Nov 1, 2020, 7:34 AM

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stop making public threats >.<

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:34 AM

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see the florida man has good ideas XD

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 7:34 AM

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i unironically use stadia, its half decent

amber juniper Nov 1, 2020, 7:34 AM

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you'll just roast in hell :P

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:34 AM

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i cant justify stadia

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 7:34 AM

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nice to sit on the couch with my phone mounted on my ps4 controller and play destiny or whatever

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:34 AM

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pay for the console an the service nah

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 7:34 AM

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there's no console!

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 7:34 AM

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Stadia VR when?

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:35 AM

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i rather get xcloud when its out

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more games an also a better pricing model then stadia

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plus xbox intergration

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 7:35 AM

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Actually... Isn't facebook looking into streaming games to quest soon. Similar to stadia

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 7:35 AM

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How long is the delay for you tupper?
As last time i got to try it, it was a joke.
Could not play fast action packed games because the delay was clearly noticeable even on glassviber internet that gets below 11MS ping to most popular servers hosting spots for euro.

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:35 AM

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facebook dose suck

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how dare they rename oculus

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lol facebook broke their own tos

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i know

vocal shard Nov 1, 2020, 7:36 AM

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Yes, the only actual perfect defense is to make VRChat a Stadia exclusive. Unlike my previous chat message, this isn't a joke. 🙂
@covert chasm say sike

shy elbow Nov 1, 2020, 7:37 AM

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I wanna ask do you guys know why I can't go to another world when I open VRChat?

light saddle Nov 1, 2020, 7:37 AM

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🍿

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:37 AM

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just saying they broke a contractual oblogation when they bought oculus of renaiming the company

umbral reef Nov 1, 2020, 7:37 AM

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@shy elbow Check #announcements

lunar lark Nov 1, 2020, 7:37 AM

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@vocal shard i dont think he is joking

covert chasm Nov 1, 2020, 7:37 AM

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i mean, that isn't a joke

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its literally the only perfect defense against ripping