vrchat-general-2

[valid quiver]

yeah that's kind of my thing with the 3090

it's so ridiculous that it kind of blows the cpu out of the water

[stone current]

https://i.imgur.com/Ujg5cy4.png

this is the one i looked into, 2060 version

not a bad price honestly

[crystal burrow]

Is there a directory for people looking for avatars?

[valid quiver]

no. that'd be smart

and we can't have that

[crystal burrow]

Damn. I've asked a few Discord servers and keep getting recommended the same two worlds

[valid quiver]

i'd check if that laptop has m2 storage upgradability

[stone current]

most of them are 512 GB

i will buy an external SSD for games if necessary

[valid quiver]

you said you did other high capacity work or whatever, probably want more storage i figure

[stone current]

yea thats what external would be for

but 512 is quite a bit

[valid quiver]

i mean if it can be m2'd up, that's a bit easier imo than an external but either way i guess

[stone current]

most games top out at like 50-60 GB

[valid quiver]

eh the 500 runs out quickly

[stone current]

so if i assume games on average is like 20 GB

u could download like 25 games

ignoring windows storage and stuff

[autumn sedge]

question: can you join a world knowing it's number? My game crashed and i remember the number, but it isn't showing up in the menu

[valid quiver]

recent tab?

[stone current]

number?

whats that supposed ot mean

[valid quiver]

the instance number they prob mean. i don't believe so, no

[autumn sedge]

yeah

[valid quiver]

there's a recent tab, the world should be in it

[stone current]

you can check the instance number by checking the active instances

or if you have mods you can just rejoin the previous instance

but thats a topic for another day

[autumn sedge]

Recent tab??

[valid quiver]

in the world menu, down a bit, there should be a tab for recently visited worlds. from that, if you remember the number, there you go

[autumn sedge]

Ok thanks you very much!

[valid quiver]

one team one dream

unless the dream involves mods

then we don't talk about it

[lethal karma]

yo ppl does some1 wanna help me understand the ranking system

[vocal shard]

In what way

[lethal karma]

uhh

[valid quiver]

Gray is brand new (visitor). Blue is a new user. green is a user. Orange/red, whatever it was, is uh known user. purple is trusted user

[lethal karma]

dm me ill explain my issue

[stone current]

its not only time based

[lethal karma]

no no i get that but im having issues w it, i should definitely have known user by now

[valid quiver]

lol get gud

[stone current]

are you logged in on steam

[lethal karma]

no i have a vrchat account

[stone current]

if so then you will never get a trust rank

oh ok

[lethal karma]

i have 142 friends, 10 avatars uploaded, and 725 hours

some people have blocked me and muted me but not more than 15 people have

[stone current]

i got trusted user at 600 or so hours

[valid quiver]

you have to sue tupper

[stone current]

i uploaded like 100 avatars

[lethal karma]

yeah exactly, im not known user

[stone current]

the more content you upload the faster you gain trust ranks also

[lethal karma]

my friend got it at like 130 friends, 1 avatar and 500 hours

[stone current]

but not spam content

[valid quiver]

it's my rank and i need it now

[lethal karma]

all my avatars are different

[vocal shard]

Do you frequent private worlds with the same few people? Or expand a lot, meeting new people in publics

[stone current]

how much time do you actively spend

yea that

[lethal karma]

nope i go to public worlds a lot

[stone current]

if all you do is sit in front of mirror and visit same worlds, takes longer

mixing and mingling get trust rank faster too

[valid quiver]

tupper has withheld it long enough. i will be made whole

[vocal shard]

Tbh, we really don't know. They try to make the system automated and not able to be easily figured out

[stone current]

yea but those are observed values

like people been studying trust ranks

[vocal shard]

I doubt it's anything due to blocking

[valid quiver]

he has betrayed the order and denied us our purple ranks

[stone current]

and we kinda see what can help and what doesnt

[lethal karma]

idk, i feel like someone reported me or something and now i cant rank up

[stone current]

you can actually get deranked from valid reports and bans

some users have made a meme to hack trusted user accounts and rank them down to nuisance

or to just do it themselves on their own account

[lethal karma]

i should definitely have it by now, i have friends who have been reported so many times, ive seen ppl with 500-600 hours going around public worlds saying the n word with just 1 avatar and less friends than me and yet they have ranked up before me

[stone current]

just wait for it i guess, i doubt the systems broken

if it takes more than like about a year

then maybe

[valid quiver]

People are paranoid about muting/blocking harming the algorithm

[stone current]

it does to an extent

if youre obviously being a nuisance and you get valid reports on you

then yes

[lethal karma]

yeah but very few people have blocked me

[valid quiver]

eh, it's obscure by design clearly

[lethal karma]

i hang around with a very loud friend group and some people block me because they think im loud as well

[stone current]

well yea but it would be impossible for users to rank to nuisance from trusted within a week

if it wasnt factored in at all

[valid quiver]

Dare to dream wunder

We can do it if we try

[stone current]

if it wasnt factored in at all

[valid quiver]

Being a green rank gives you charm

A youthful glow

[stone current]

you can be a fake green rank lol

for some reason [ Appear as: User ] exists

[valid quiver]

No clue if people use it. I doubt it

[stone current]

i mean

its funny i guess

[valid quiver]

I wonder how safety settings handles purples guising as greens

[stone current]

and some people dont like the notion behind trusted users because they get a lot of bad rep

they get treated like users too in safety so its stupid, but at least cant figure it out by using safety

[valid quiver]

Eh i mean they get the rep for a reason

[stone current]

trusted users are notorious for being asshats and uploading malicious content

[vocal shard]

It has nothing to do with the rank tho

[valid quiver]

lol it's the quality of the soul

[vocal shard]

Ones who do just stand out more

[stone current]

i mean obviously

same reason why furries are known for ........ when thats like a sub minority at best

[vocal shard]

Yeah

Stereotypes

[valid quiver]

i find the mirror thing kind of wild

like you join a void world, this amazing feat of technology... and people crowd around the back mirror

it's crazy

[vocal shard]

I find the mirror is great for talking to others

[stone current]

and for sign language

because u dont need to look directly at the person to see what theyre signing

[valid quiver]

sign language maybe but everything else, it's like no i'm in vr, i want to actually experience it

[foggy cape]

Probably mental fascination.

[turbid folio]

does anybody know how to save a game

[stone current]

also people want to see if their avatar is having issues

[vocal shard]

Wider fov, you can see yourself which in itself is amazing in vr, and it's just helps solidify you into your avatar

[foggy cape]

That thing moving over there is 100% acting with you like a mirror should but it's not you.

[turbid folio]

to your games

[stone current]

and some people feel more immersed when they see yourself

and some people want to make sure they use their gestures correctly lol

[turbid folio]

you know what ill come back another time

[stone current]

save a game?

[valid quiver]

it's just kind of a waste imo if you have vr and you sit at the mirror

[turbid folio]

ya

[stone current]

what game

[vocal shard]

Most nights my friends and I go explore some world's, and after a couple hours, we end the night talking near a mirror. It's a nice place to talk about life and stuff

[stone current]

if its not vrchat #general-media

[turbid folio]

idk just like save a game to your games on disc

[vocal shard]

But at the mirror you can see everyone, and also not get bored as easily

[foggy cape]

This is a broad-as-hell question. Save it like nay other file I guess

[valid quiver]

I think you'd want to delve into your steam settings for that, what drive you're saving in

[stone current]

i usually dont like standing next to a mirror because i would rather make eye contact with people

also performance boost

[turbid folio]

umm nvm

[valid quiver]

i think it's more interesting to have a group circle or whatever, you know have that body presence

[stone current]

i have really bad eyesight so looking in the mirror makes it a bit difficult to see people sign to me

[vocal shard]

There's no less body presence seeing your reflection

It's actually more

[valid quiver]

nah i think you lose a ton

[stone current]

some people have mirror touch and its so spooky

more spooky than regular phantom sense

[vocal shard]

When you see yourself in a mirror, it solidifies yourself in the body

[stone current]

because you see it in the mirror

[vocal shard]

Now my avatar feel like actually me

[stone current]

its like if you were in VR and someone randomly touched your back

[vocal shard]

Anything else feels like it's not me

[stone current]

except yuo only see it in the mirror

[valid quiver]

i mean it's just an avatar you're wearing, but like experiencing the people around you, you don't really get that lined up at a mirror

[stone current]

also its boring

i like to move around and i like to go places

sitting in one place in front of a mirror is so boring i would rather go somewhere else

i like game worlds in VRC but its hard to find people who sign in public instances

[valid quiver]

i wish i could savestate vrchat moments

[stone current]

and also not many games i like are popular

so mostly just friends i invite to play

@valid quiver just use nvidia auto replay

u can save memorable moments with a keybind

[valid quiver]

i guess lol, nah i'm just screwing around

[stone current]

like when i was given a name sign by a deaf person

i re-watched that so many times

[valid quiver]

Yo I'm studying sign actually

mind if i add you

[stone current]

sure, im going to play vrc in a bit

im not deaf but ive been learning for a couple of months

my mic has been having major issues so i prefer signing

[valid quiver]

I've got the alphabet and daily use fairly down, that's about it

[stone current]

i sign using classifiers when trying to show something and i sign a bit too fast but i slow down for newer students

[valid quiver]

Yeah just slow it down 2-3x and I'll prob understand a bit of it

[stone current]

also my vision is bad so i have to be pretty close to people to read their sign

and if they go too fast for my framerate need slow down

[valid quiver]

Look at that

They said discord friendship was impossible

[north hemlock]

Friends everywhere

I found a person that tried talking to me with sign language

Sadly I don't know sign language 😦

[lilac bolt]

then learn sign language then

[north hemlock]

Too many languages to learn D:

But yes I really should. I think it's important

[lilac bolt]

it is

[north hemlock]

Now I feel bad 🙂

[exotic veldt]

Is there a reason my friend tv screens in all worlds are black? with no sound

[lilac bolt]

why do you feel bad?

@exotic veldt the tv is broken when it does that

[vestal imp]

ayy minty

[twin fractal]

ming mint

[lilac bolt]

ay burajiruhito and onee-chan

dead place

[vestal imp]

mhm

[twin fractal]

lol

all the fun ran away

[vocal shard]

Vrchat is having loading problems Everytime I get on there to go-to another world it stays stuck on load

[novel comet]

I get stuck on that sometimes as well.

[lilac bolt]

sino lalaki dito po?

[vestal imp]

ako

[high fog]

Wut

[ebon hazel]

You have to restart vrchat if it gets stuck on the loading process

[heady salmon]

unfortunately, yeps

[modern hamlet]

How to i change my movement to first person instead of green pointer teleport

[lilac swan]

Open the quick menu that's on your hand and click on settings. In the upper left corner there is a option called "Holoport locomotion", disable that.

[modern hamlet]

K thanks, also dpes oculus hand tracking work for this game

[lilac swan]

It does not

[modern hamlet]

Damn then how do i move my fingers

[lilac swan]

Currently only the Index Controllers have finger tracking.

[modern hamlet]

Alright thanks

[lilac bolt]

give me memes pls

[broken plover]

Go to reddit.com/r/memes

[devout island]

Or get them at your nearest discord server, or just go on twitter

[lilac bolt]

oh?

does this place have memes?

[devout island]

Occasionally, mods don't like having too many memes

[regal furnace]

nah, go to reddit, there are the best ones

[jovial kestrel]

Random chat isn't a meme dump.

[fiery prairie]

can anyone tell me why i can't upload a avatar im new to vrchat i've worked out how to get a avatar and now im trying to upload it and i can't work out why its not uploading its telling me to play the game and its been one day can anyone help?

[west yoke]

?upload

[shy spoke]

You must obtain at least "New User" Trust Rank in our Trust and Safety system in order to upload content. You can get this by just spending a few hours in VRChat, hop some worlds, and make some friends. Give it some time and you'll be able to upload content in no time.

As an aside, you must have a VRChat account to upload content. That means you can't use a Steam account, Oculus account, or Viveport account to upload content like worlds or avatars.

Source: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/frequently-asked-questions

[unreal verge]

Hi, i'm new to VRChat :)

👀

[grim tusk]

Hi new to vrchat, I’m kal
HA GOT EM gg wp

And welcome 🐙 octo !

[spring mirage]

I'm somewhat new to vrchat and I was wondering if it seems difficult to makes friends on there? I'm also shy so that could be one reason I haven't gotten friends

[unreal verge]

I already got some and i'm shy

[hollow kiln]

@spring mirage fear not, I shall be your friend

[spring mirage]

Aww thank u

[hollow kiln]

@vocal shard Ey, dont "oh dear" me, pumpkin

[viscid seal]

if you find it difficult to make friends in normal hangout worlds where it can be very group convo focused. You can try game worlds too and form friendships that way

often just reaching the end of an adventure or beating some game together with other people can form good friends 🙂

[spring mirage]

Oh didnt think about that. Thank u guys

[viscid seal]

good luck ^_^

[unreal verge]

How are you all playing? VR or Desktop Mode? If VR with which headset? I'm currently using Desktop Mode, looking forward to get the Oculus Quest 2

[tawny crow]

oh thank yoU bot i was just trying to express my sheer happiness

[viscid seal]

XD

[spring mirage]

Well I can only play on pc for now and I dont have any of the equipment for vrchat yet so

[tawny crow]

holy good bloody gwyn i've been working at this avatar for a week and its given me so many issues

[spring mirage]

Desktop mode

[tawny crow]

and i finally got it all down

i set up a custom 3.0 menu script for it and everything gfkwoak

[viscid seal]

congrats Ashen ^_^

[rigid lagoon]

Hope you're ready to face the limitations the Quest brings when you switch from Desktop to Quest.

[tawny crow]

thank you Lakuza

i just needed to half vent that considering how happy frustrated relieved i am

[spring mirage]

Ya I'm trying to save up for vr stuff but until then I gotta use desktop

[unreal verge]

I don't have much money and the PC i'm using is from my friend. I would need to buy a PC + VR set if i want to use VR on PC

Basically the quest would be the only affordable option for me

[tawny crow]

was also able to publish my script's findings to the comments of a tutorial video

so hopefully someone else can learn from my suffering

[viscid seal]

definitely worth it though, vr adds so much to the experience, especially if you're using vrc alot already

[rigid lagoon]

Fair enough. At least with the Quest 2 the stuff you can access will run decently.

[viscid seal]

if you don't have a vr ready pc, then quest is limiting yeah

but otherwise quest link works fine

[spring mirage]

I'm trying to play vrchat more often to get used to talking to people but I just get so nervous that idk what to say

[viscid seal]

I can relate to that a bit

I started out super nervous and almost started off mute

[unreal verge]

My PC wouldn't be able at all to run VR, it's already lagging pretty bad in worlds with more players

[viscid seal]

because I didn't like how I sounded XD

[rigid lagoon]

You wanna talk entry level? Try a Gear VR modified with software to work for pc games

[viscid seal]

but vrchat has helped alot with confidence

so I'm sure over time, you'll find your way too

[spring mirage]

I was wondering if I could add u guys on there. It might help with talking to u guys since I'm talking on discord with u guys

[rigid lagoon]

Someone dropped a wisdom bomb on me once while in VRC on the subject of people's voices.

[unreal verge]

Sure, my name is exactly the same as on Discord

[rigid lagoon]

Majority of people think their own voice sucks because they've been listening to it all their life.

[spring mirage]

Added u Octo

[unreal verge]

I accepted

[jolly zealot]

ok so does anyone know of any pc vrchat worlds that are quite dark but not a scary map? I'm thinking of doing a bit for a video

[rigid lagoon]

Uhhhh, musical flowers come to mind

[spring mirage]

The only thing wrong with my pc for vr is that I dont have speakers so I gotta plug it my huge speaker and then plug in headsets because I have no other way of talking so I hope people dont hear my speaker go off from the sound of the game

[jolly zealot]

like i mean where i'd almost have to use a flashlight on my avatar in order to see around me kind of dark?

[spring mirage]

Naw I have to use my regular headsets since I dont got anything for vrchat yet

My speaker is loud so when I push to talk, I just hope no one hears it

[rigid lagoon]

Yeah, as long as you push to talk and... Actually talk.

Your voice will overpower your speakers.

[spring mirage]

Oh true

I sadly do not

Ya

[south shadow]

hello

[jovial pulsar]

Hmm, any chance they'll bring back some of the older games like Steel'n Gold as well as the winter Battle royale map? I miss them ;_;

[twin fractal]

steeln gold was lit

[vapid forge]

Bruh I rebuilt my pc yesterday and my usb ports keep cutting in and out, meaning I cant play vr until I fix it today

Upsetting

[lilac knot]

why do they do that? usb cutouts

[vapid forge]

Could be loose power cord or a motherboard or psu problem

[lilac knot]

best of luck

[vapid forge]

Yeah I kinda rushed it yesterday just so I had my pc same day so I can take today to revise things

I just wanna play vrchat with my gf man 😂

[leaden sinew]

Bro Kirby is sick

[strange wagon]

did anyone elses vr became slightly jittery for no reason when moving your head around after the new big windows update?

[vapid forge]

It is kirbo

[strange wagon]

yup. rolled back and all good again

2004 seems to screw up nvidia drivers

[vapid forge]

But also I must say, argb builds are sooo annoying

They look nice but the wires and wire management is blehhh

[magic fossil]

[knotty violet]

[vocal shard]

Hi hi!

[loud lintel]

hey

[vocal shard]

How are you?

[loud lintel]

i’m good

[lilac knot]

do any of you people use the kinect body tracking method?

I'm wondering if it's worth investing into, as I don't own an xbox let alone a kinect

[crystal burrow]

There any place here to ask where to find certain types of avatars?

[broken plover]

I have the xbox one kinect. I paid around 40€ for it. Imo its not really worth investing into, unless you can't afford anything else (like ps3 move controllers which are apparently pretty close to vive tracker level)

[lilac knot]

ps3 move? aren't those for holding in hand?

or is there another piece I am not aware of?

[broken plover]

they are, but you can also strap them to your feet and hips and use them like vive trackers

[lilac knot]

mm, sounds cumbersome

I was wondering about kinect strictly because you dont need to strap any more gizmos onto you

[crystal burrow]

Kinect sorta works. You'll notice loss of tracking occasionally. You also have to be facing the kinect camera at all times.

[lilac knot]

oh, facing it all the time is kind of a downer

[broken plover]

and you can't really do alot apart from standing, kicking and maybe sitting down if youre lucky. If youre unlucky you will look like your legs broke when you sit down

[crystal burrow]

Indeed. Specially if you're into dancing or walking around and joking with friends.

[lilac knot]

I'll probably sound retarded for asking this, who knows, but why can't the base trackers do anything like kinect can?

I mean the technology is clearly there and has been for years, if kinect can do it..

[broken plover]

the basestations just shoot lasers that the vive trackers etc. use as a point of orientation

[lilac knot]

mm, maybe if they had visual cameras included...

[broken plover]

there's actually a kinect that has tracking quality similar to vive trackers. The azure kinect. But I think its currently only a dev kit (correct me if I'm wrong) and its also pretty expensive. At that price you might aswell just buy vive trackers instead

[crystal burrow]

Kinect is like...a motion camera with the smarts to see depth.
Vive trackers use the lighthouses. Which is a laser shooting out rapidly and basically being bounced off the trackers. You can get WAY better tracking using the Vive trackers.

[lilac knot]

I mean yes leverian, but tracking with lasers also require a powered up device in your hand, right?

if only they could track the body...

but wishful thinking for now

[crystal burrow]

Yeah, some sort of straps holding the trackers onto you. Plus battery life. Trackers should last a round 4-5 hours depending how active you are

[lilac knot]

I imagine they'd be too bothersome to strap them on/off and charge them all the time...

which is why I wish I could use kinect instead

[crystal burrow]

Eh, they're not. Takes literally 10 seconds. Slide it over my foot, tighten the velcro.

[lilac knot]

my place is already a mess of bunch of small devices and cables lying around haha

[broken plover]

yeah it takes longer to set up the kinect than it takes to turn trackers on and strap them on. Because first you have to start the software, then press a button in the software, then check if everything works and then start vrchat. With the vive trackers you can start vrchat and while youre in the loading screen you can already turn on the trackers and strap them on. Because if you start vrchat first and then the software for the kinect, it won't work. vrchat is either gonna not detect the virtual trackers, or close because steamvr thinks the kinect software is a game and therefore closes vrchat because you cant play 2 games at a time

[crystal burrow]

At the moment vive trackers will give the best tracking along with ease of setup and use. Other methods are going to require third party programs and such.

[lilac knot]

mm, this makes me sad

but thank you friends

[crystal burrow]

Kinect

• Start software
• Use software to activate and check to make sure it's working
• Use VRchat and play hoping you don't lose tracking or freak out when trying to sit or something.
• Ensure you stay facing the camera and don't move too wildly

Vive Trackers

• There is an initial setup linking it with your Steam VR
• After that simply turn VR on
• Start VR chat or start turning on your trackers (Either or)
• Strap trackers on
• Calibrate in-game and play with accurate tracking

[vocal shard]

Yeah I just got vive trackers for my windows mixed reality headset. Much better than kinect. (Or even psmove which I used for a bit)

[crystal burrow]

Yeah, I wont' use anything else. Trackers all the way. I'm happy with it all and don't NEED additional trackers from my 3.....but I'd like more points if possible. (Sadly VRchat doesn't support any more). Aside from that the only thing(s) I'd change would be a...

Better headset than the Valve Index when one comes out,
If they ever make a consumer version, I'd want gloves for even more accurate tracking.

[vocal shard]

Seems index is already starting to be left behind in the resolution department. HP reverb G2 and new quest are both higher

Tech moves so quick now

[crystal burrow]

Yeah, wondering how it'll look on the HP Reverb G2.

Far as the Quest 2 goes....if the prices are true? I'm happy it'll give more people access to VR and increase our player count. Meaning more quality games and such. But on the other hand....I really don't want to support Facebook and their horrid plans to invade every facet of my life.

[waxen iron]

@ everyone Anyone wanna play vrchat

[cinder wharf]

I'd rather spend $1,000 and get what I paid for instead of $499 and have someone selling my eye tracking data.

That's just my 2 cents on the Quest 2

[vocal shard]

It's $299

But yeah. same

[cinder wharf]

$299 is for the 64GB version I do think.

[vocal shard]

Yeah, and $399 for 256gb. But even with the old quest, the 64gb was good enough and rarely got used up with games

[crystal burrow]

Depending on the model. Different storage sizes I believe.
But even so. Matter of time before they start introducing commercials or advertisements.

"Check out these offers while your game loads!"

[vocal shard]

"we do not currently show ads in headset"

[cinder wharf]

Yeah and they said before they wouldn't do that but now you know they will since they said the same thing about the Facebook login.

[vocal shard]

Mhmm

[cinder wharf]

I like my Vive in spite of the picture quality. I'll probably upgrade to an Index though.

[crystal burrow]

Proximity sensor has detected your headset has been removed. Commercial has been paused.
Eye tracking has detected your eyes are closed, commercial has been paused.

[vocal shard]

I preferred my rift s over vive and even vive pro. But after the Facebook thing, I sold it and am working up to index now. Have index controllers and vive trackers, but using a wmr headset for the time being

are you sure you want to get index ?

not reverb G2 ? or wait a little more in case someone announce some new vr headset ?

[cinder wharf]

I'm not impressed witht he G2

[vocal shard]

write faster jamie, I ain't got all night

I am just on the index waiting list right now. Haven't paid for it. But I'm pretty sure I want a lighthouse tracked headset. Doing mixed setup is fine, but the playspaces drift when you move too far off center

you gonna grab some htc leg trackers too ?

I have them already

[cinder wharf]

the setup is worth it

[vocal shard]

I have 2.0 lighthouses, vive trackers, index controllers, and a Lenovo explorer headset

bruh

are you throwing all your money into vr shit ?

[inland knot]

[vocal shard]

how many headset did you own

I sold my rift s, switch, and a couple other things I don't use

[inland knot]

didnt you also have a quest

which you then sold

[vocal shard]

Still have my Lenovo explorer and rift development kit 2

My brother has the odyssey+ and acer wmr

Yeah I returned my quest and sold my cv1 to my cousin

[inland knot]

do you occasionally go bowling with your cousin

[vocal shard]

my friend told me there were mods on vrchat where you could play music n stuff, where do i get that? 👁👄👁

[cinder wharf]

smart move in hindsight.

[vocal shard]

?

[crystal burrow]

G2 is a higher resolution but yeah. Having the entire setup using the lighthouses is easier. Plus it's not THAT much better to warrant an upgrade if you already have an index. IMO anyway. It's like upgrading from a 2060 to a 2080. Sure it's a boost but too much hassle at the moment. I want my purchase to have a decent impact on my experience.

[vocal shard]

cries in dance

All the reviews of the g2 say it is very noticeable the upgrade

Even running g2 at half resolution looks better than index

Colours are better too

[cinder wharf]

I don't care about the higher res. FOV is more important right now. Higher res is second to that.

[vocal shard]

I do a lot of sims. So I like the resolution

Why I liked the rift s over vive pro even though the vive pro had a wider fov. The clarity was important

[crystal burrow]

Still, at the rate things are moving? I'd rather just wait. I can see fine with the Index. Plus I'd rather get a better system first so the bloody games can run at least somewhat smoothly.

[cinder wharf]

StarVR has the highest FOV horizontal and vertical right now but I'm hoping Valve eventually does a Index 2 and goes full 270 degree. Also the Index's resolution is fine for most games. Going 4K res is just bragging.

[crystal burrow]

Doesn't human vision only go to around 220 degrees?

[cinder wharf]

no it's 270 for most people

Only problem with StarVR is they don't market to consumers.

[crystal burrow]

What I mean is typical people have like 115 to 120 degree of vision that is the basis for stereopsis. (covers depth perception) Then you got like...40 or so on each side but since only one eye can see that at a time, it's limited. Any headset with a FOV of around 200 with 220 being the sweet spot to remove borders on the sides of your eyes should be plenty.

270 FOV would just be wasted space and negatively impact performance since we're not really seeing that.

[vocal shard]

Oh yaaaaa

[crystal burrow]

You'd have to like...strain to look out the very corner of your eye to warrant something like that, lol. Which at that point everyone just kinda turns their head.

[languid beacon]

How is G2 FOV compared to index

[broken plover]

apparently like if you put the biggest space for the glasses on the index

[cinder wharf]

Facebook Horizons looks like Rec Room for Boomers.

[languid beacon]

So Rift basically

The human eye can not see more than 16:9 aspect ratio.

[cinder wharf]

That better be a joke.

[languid beacon]

The human eye can not see more than 256 bit color depth.

[vocal shard]

falling for the 144FPS meme

when the human eyes can only see 24 images per second

[broken plover]

human eye can only see one image per hour

[cinder wharf]

There are people who seriously believe that.

[languid beacon]

The human eye can not see more than 1080p.

Ok I will stop

[broken plover]

it can't see more than a gtx 1080 (I'll stop too now)

[vocal shard]

yeah I know that people seriously believe in the 144fps, it's insane

[crystal burrow]

Valve Index Max 108°/130°

Valve Index Min 100°/112°

HP Reverb G2 98°/114°

Valve Index still has a 'slightly' higher FOV but the resolution for the G2 is higher with better colour/sound so it'll look clearer.
I'm still fine with my index till some serious optimizations and upgrades come along.

[languid beacon]

The human eye and brain doesn’t work in terms of frames, so it’s a meaningless question that does not have a real answer. Also it’s somewhere around 500.

Depending on how tired/sober

[cinder wharf]

Yeah, the human eyes are not cameras.

[umbral reef]

For now

[cinder wharf]

hears Deus Ex music playing all of a sudden

[languid beacon]

People have put cameras in the eyesockets of blind people, and their brains do eventually work out the signal and actually see something, but it feels blurry, and tiny, in the center of their mind’s vision

[cinder wharf]

Nanomachines son.

[wary estuary]

What do you think is better: Oculus quest 64 GB or Oculust quest 128?

Is the 128 worth to buy?

[crystal burrow]

I loved those camera eyes in the Deus Ex trailers. Zooming in, taking pictures instantly. Could discreetly record video too I imagine.

[languid beacon]

I have a quest 1, 128gb. You will not use the extra space. Ever, unless you store movies on it

[broken plover]

dont buy quest now, quest 2 has just been announced

[cinder wharf]

games eventually get bigger so 128GB would be an investment in those future games.

[wary estuary]

Oh ok

Im thinking about buying a oculus quest next year

[broken plover]

quest 2 with 64gb will cost 350€ and quest 2 with 256gb will probably cost 450€

[languid beacon]

I would absolutely not consider buying a quest 1, but if you do, I can hook you up with a cheap used one

[cinder wharf]

The easiest way to explain the Quest 2 is it's the Quest with a higher res and faster GPU.

[languid beacon]

Quest 2 has higher res than index lol

[crystal burrow]

....and a contract that says Facebook owns your soul.

[regal furnace]

are there ANY news about FoV and battery lifetime?

[cinder wharf]

Yeah what Leverian said

[broken plover]

nothing about fov, but they showed pictures of a quest with a built in battery pack at the back of the headstrap

[languid beacon]

I already own a rift and quest 1, so Facebook already has my real name and billing info. /shrug

[regal furnace]

at least one big problem of the quest 1 resolved

still looks quite uncomfortable

[languid beacon]

Quest 1 was the most uncomfortable headset I’ve ever worn, but I put that VRPower on it and now it’s more comfortable than CV1 at least. Index is still comfyer

[regal furnace]

not even the index can win against the comfort of the CV1

[cinder wharf]

It is a bit heavy but then all the hardware is in the headset.

[languid beacon]

I have owned both. Index is more comfy than cv1

To me anyway

[regal furnace]

i owned both too

and CV1 was much more balanced than the index

[cinder wharf]

Yeah the Index is much lighter

[regal furnace]

plus the index gets very hot and heavy after a while

[crystal burrow]

Frunk fans do help a bit

[regal furnace]

CV1 with higher res display and better face gasket would be the perfect headset

[languid beacon]

Index doesn’t get hot but then again I live in Arizona

[crystal burrow]

Become a dancer.

It'll get hot.

[languid beacon]

My ac is set to like 70F lol

[cinder wharf]

My Vive doesn't seem to get that hot but then again I'm playing in front of a box fan with the AC on so I'm probably not going to feel it.

[crystal burrow]

Same. I live in TN. Central air is set to 69 cause lol. You get active instead of just hanging out and talking? Index will get hot, lol

[languid beacon]

I’ve done a good bit of expert beat saber in index. I get hot. Index doesn’t

[cinder wharf]

I played Boneworks for 6 hours and I only get overheated when climbing.

[languid beacon]

It’s probably the total lack of humidity here. Lenses never fog either

[cinder wharf]

Boneworks with Vive wands...I get phantom pains just thinking about it now.

[crystal burrow]

Perhaps it has to do with people as well then. I mean...I play with limited clothing on cause I like dancing. But even then, index gets hot for me. Never fogs up...but gets quite warm. The fan I have in the front definitely helps though.

[regal furnace]

i get real pains by thinking about the vive wands

damn these controllers are bad

[languid beacon]

Yeah I mean I get sweaty when active but the index itself never heats up beyond its normal idle warmth

[cinder wharf]

There's a person who swears that it's Boneworks fault but from my experience the Vive Wands just suck for everything except one game.

[crystal burrow]

Perhaps your body doesn't let out as much heat through your head? I dunno, lol. I can feel the warmth from my headset after a bit. Probably my own just getting trapped.

[broken plover]

I like the vive wands

[crystal burrow]

Never tried the Wands. Tried the original Oculus controllers and the index knuckles.

[languid beacon]

For what it’s worth I’m 155 lbs lol

[cinder wharf]

I'm thinking Index Controllers or CaptoGloves.

[regal furnace]

index controllers are great

[cinder wharf]

Maybe both I dunno

[languid beacon]

Index controllers are wonderful

[regal furnace]

a bit weird at first, but after an hour you are one with them

[crystal burrow]

I wish we had good VR gloves....I want more accurate easy to use stuff

[languid beacon]

I tried going back to quest and just can’t with its controllers anymore

[regal furnace]

oh, and btw, apparantly Index, Vive, Vive pro etc have finger tracking like the quest

[languid beacon]

Also going from index to quest made me realize how small quest fov is

[broken plover]

do they? I thought only with something like leap motion, but thats also for every other headset

[regal furnace]

going from quest to index made me realize how bad the quest actually was

[cinder wharf]

Yeah but the camera on the Vive is...uh...well at least in-headset view it's not great. Monitor view is fine.

[languid beacon]

I don’t know if finger tracking works better than quests but quest finger tracking is bad. Huge latency

[cinder wharf]

It's about what you would expect from a 720p camera

[crystal burrow]

I saw that finger tracking thing. But never realized and have no idea how to use that.

[cinder wharf]

NEOS is using it. I haven't tried it myself.

[regal furnace]

i kinda wanna try it

but i would have to download like 10 updates for neos

and replug my index to usb3

[broken plover]

you have it in usb2? why

[crystal burrow]

I've seen other programs like NEOS, Oasis, and such but they just don't have the playerbase and avatar selection for me to jump into.

[languid beacon]

Sleeping on finger tracking, I want true eye gaze direction for social reasons

[regal furnace]

because my vive trackers are in usb3

[broken plover]

ok

[regal furnace]

i only have 3 3.0 ports

[broken plover]

do the trackers need usb3? I thought the dongles were 2.0 anyways

[cinder wharf]

NEOS is about as close to Oasis are you're going to get right now. Even though Oasis is on Steam but it's nothing like the movie. It's supposed to be based on it. But I've seen gameplay of it and it's pretty much...meh.

[crystal burrow]

They're both pretty meh 😅

[languid beacon]

Body trackers do not need 3.0 to my knowledge. You can have all three using a single logical port they are super low bandwidth

[cinder wharf]

Too much of the budget went in to making it look pretty. That's all I gotta say.

[broken plover]

when I tried neos it ran at like 5 fps. Unplayable

[vocal shard]

o-o

[regal furnace]

neos is pretty buggy

[broken plover]

and I also had no idea how the menu worked

[stone current]

chilloutvr is up and coming, seems to be a good competitor

[regal furnace]

makes VRchat look like a AAA game

[cinder wharf]

NEOS ran fine for me.

[stone current]

hopefully their visual programming stuff goes smoothly

chilloutvr has better performance than like every vr game on the market

[regal furnace]

alyx?

[languid beacon]

Neos is nice but it’s not the kind of game I’m into. I don’t even see it as a vrc rival

[broken plover]

Idk if my cpu or gpu was bottlenecking. But it either doesnt like middle class amd gpu's or older intel cpu's

[stone current]

neos is more of a developers playhouse

[regal furnace]

im gonna try hand tracking real quick

[stone current]

its too complicated and laggy for people to get into unless they really want to be creative

[cinder wharf]

Well NEOS isn't like VRChat it has avatars and it's VR sure but it's more like a Metaverse than just a VR Chat place.

[languid beacon]

If I’m honest I wish both projects could just be combined somehow but that’s technologically impossible

[cinder wharf]

In a Metaverse you can use in-world tools to create stuff.

[stone current]

i still have high hopes for chillout tho

[languid beacon]

I’d love the ability to build a unity scene in vr

[stone current]

u probably can with plugins

[cinder wharf]

I think there is someone working on an alpha of the Unity client that's accessible in VR.

[umbral reef]

@cinder wharf isnt like the biggest drawback from it that you can also only have a few people in a instance?

[languid beacon]

The biggest drawback is no custom shader code

[stone current]

chilloutvr have good performance even in event meetins with several people, compared to vrchat

so it seem very interesting

[cinder wharf]

@umbral reef Yeah but the same is true for VRChat technically. I think the limit is like 32 not sure if that's a hard or soft limit.

[vocal shard]

Getting told to take your life isn’t very epic ngl

Just had to deal with a script user being salty because people like mirrors

[cinder wharf]

Most VRChat worlds host 24 avatars and even then it starts tog et laggy.

[languid beacon]

Mirror hate is a dead meme

[umbral reef]

@cinder wharf Oh i didnt mean it in that amount. But that the performance becomes a stuggle around like 8ish people.
Can be that im totally wrong on this as its not even second hand information thats why im asking.

[crystal burrow]

Still, we have a lot more avatars to choose from here in VRChat. I don't know the first thing about avatar creation so I have to rely on others making them. Plus the player count. NEOS and Oasis and such are still too new and haven't built up a community or reputation. I like constantly running into new people. Only thing I'd like more is a way to search through avatars more easily.

Can't seem to find good femboy avatars aside from Shokk's and Poppy/Crykat.

[stone current]

i got bullied out of a lobby bc im a furry who uses sign language

[cinder wharf]

@umbral reef They were both made in Unity but I think NEOS is using a much older build still, it doesn't yet support HRDP or advanced shaders.

[umbral reef]

That might be then why i got told that

[stone current]

neos tries rewriting every component of unity

[cinder wharf]

And yes HDRP is available in VR, it's the engine code and your GPU that matters there. Not your HMD.

[stone current]

unless using quest or cosmos

[cinder wharf]

Cosmos is a PC VR HMD

[stone current]

oh yea

its just inside out

[cinder wharf]

Then there's Cosmos Elite which fixes a lot of things with the Cosmos.

[stone current]

i mean

i was using sign language so

i tried telling them to shut up but they said i had autism and asked if i was having a seizure or something

[vocal shard]

Legacy762, is just hella racist like bruh, told me too many times to take my life why is this game so toxic rn

[cinder wharf]

The Cosmos Elite is HTC saying "Yeah we goofed. Lets go back to lighthouse tracking."

[stone current]

honestly imo

Index best headset in terms of quality, support, and updates, and modifyability

[languid beacon]

Well I’m guessing 99% of the vrc population can’t read sign language

[crystal burrow]

Eh, I mainly play as femboys and get harassed a lot cause it has a bulge. The toxic people are easy enough to deal with.

• Click *
• Mute *

[stone current]

i brought my friend over to play to help interpret and just enjoy the game

but they left earlier

[cinder wharf]

In reality people should call it the Valve Vive, HTC really almost had nothing to do with it. But Business is business.

[stone current]

well yea but they did snab the 2.0 stations

that was a smart move

[cinder wharf]

YEah.

[stone current]

fuckin love these things

HMD also lets u plug in headphones

and something into its usb(c?) port

[crystal burrow]

I wish we had a visualization in VR to show just how far and wide my base stations are detecting. I have 3 total and would love to spread them out even more but I don't wanna screw up my full body tracking

[stone current]

oh thats easy

just take ur hands and put them like a little over 45 degree angles from the middle

[crystal burrow]

I know you can run one at a time and just cover things till you lose tracking to get a reference idea.
But I want like....a CLEAR visual of where it goes.

[stone current]

and thats how u can get FoV

[regal furnace]

hand tracking in neos is incredible janky

never again

[stone current]

lol

[languid beacon]

I think valve wants to distance themselves from the Vive. They want everyone to know their headset is the Index.

[stone current]

well yea but its a really good headset

[cinder wharf]

@regal furnace On which headset?

[stone current]

refresh rate is nice, resolution is ok, not heavy, and has ports

[regal furnace]

index

[stone current]

vive hand tracking sdk for index/vive

[cinder wharf]

Hmmm that doesn't bode well for my Vive then. LOL.

[stone current]

the one thats being worked on

[languid beacon]

Neos loading is different, they drop you in before the world is loaded, instead of a loading screen, that means you get to feel all the lag as things slowly render in

[stone current]

at least index cares about consumers when making their product

unlike when oculus bought by facebook

[languid beacon]

I have to give oculus credit they have a thing for aesthetics

[cinder wharf]

Yeah as soon as that happened I knew it was going to go the way it is now.

[stone current]

its a shame really

imagine what oculus couldve been

[cinder wharf]

But then I'm always cynical about things so I'm never surprised.

[stone current]

could have actually been a decent competitor to the others for hardcore vr users

now its just for casual vr users who have no money

[languid beacon]

To be honest if Facebook hadn’t bought them out I don’t think their stuff would be as nearly polished as it is. And Valve might not have decided to pursue VR at all.

[crystal burrow]

Like I said earlier. I'm conflicted. Giving the masses easy access to VR? All for it. Means more people playing, more companies getting in on it, more games and quality will hopefully only go up. But it's run by Facebook and to be honest, they're shit. Facebook makes YOU the product and your data is valuable. I don't believe in supporting them or their terrible, dishonest and bully-like business practices.

[stone current]

well maybe

[cinder wharf]

Call me crazy but I'd rather spend $1,000 on the Index and know I got my moneys worth.

[stone current]

they liked the vive a lot and were releasing half life alyx

so they probably were gonna do it anyway

well yea like some other person said

indexs price is like an hour of entertainment per dollar spent

[languid beacon]

I love my index honestly, but after seeing how cheap quest 2 is, and how high resolution the G2 is, and you could buy both and still have spent less money than an index, the index is overpriced.

[stone current]

well yea, but its still much better quality production and value

[warped violet]

What is all this chat? Is someone haveing seizure?

[cinder wharf]

I've finished Boneworks 5 times but I keep coming back to play it. Why? I dunno.

[stone current]

another issue is the business model at oculus of "if its old we don't give a shit"

so everybodys headset loses tons of value

and get minimal support and finding parts becomes really hard

[crystal burrow]

Just means more profits. Everyone has to buy new stuff

[stone current]

well yea thats the point

its like an iphone except guess what

you can probably still buy a working iphone like 4

[cinder wharf]

It's the Apple way of doing business.

[stone current]

CV1? maybe only used

[cinder wharf]

Force people to upgrade = Profit

[languid beacon]

Would you rather have a valve index, or two different handsets, both with higher resolution than valve index, for a total combined price this is cheaper than a valve index?

[stone current]

also they don't officially sell base stations anymore either

so they really really really hate hardcore vr users

ans anyone who is a hardcore user and buys oculus

has fucked up and was sucked into the meme

[cinder wharf]

And yes my Vive is old and i got it Used (full kit intact) but I'm having fun with it. Had it for over a year now.

[crystal burrow]

It's no mystery that Facebook is NOT making much profit at all on these new Quest 2 headsets. Rest assured your data is where the money is.

[stone current]

facebook links accounts now just so they can datamine

[languid beacon]

Ok but that excuse doesn’t fly with HP reverb G2

[stone current]

who knows maybe in the future it posts status updates for you based on what you do in the quest

[crystal burrow]

G2 is better resolution/colours than index. But index has better FOV.

Plus those with lighthouses already? It's just easier to get an index and track everything all with one method.

[cinder wharf]

that'd be even more annoying really

[stone current]

index has better refresh rates too

[vocal shard]

Vr doesn't need to be as expensive as it is. I used my Lenovo explorer for years, and that was just $200 new. The g2 is upgraded from that, but many of the same components still

[stone current]

and again its designed for hardcore vr users

[cinder wharf]

I don't want my family and friends knowing I'm playing Waifu Simulator 2022.

[stone current]

not casual

[languid beacon]

That is true. My ideal setup is going to be index with fullbody and the cheaper Quest 2 to check if my quest uploads are working

[stone current]

i mean u can do that just by uploading the content

if it uploads then it works lol

assuming u didnt change anything other than shaders nd whatnot

[languid beacon]

You wouldn’t believe how many mistakes I make

[stone current]

all i do is update the shaders and delete dynamic bones

badabing badaboom quest compatible

even for 3.0 / sdk3 avatars this works

[languid beacon]

I usually have a 70000 tri mesh and a 7500 tri mesh

[stone current]

mines are never that high so im gucci

even though the quality of the model is still good

[languid beacon]

None of my quests go above 7500 since they get auto blocked

[stone current]

mint mobile fox i made is 21k polygons in total with all clothes included

i use flat lit toon on both quest and pc

[crystal burrow]

Hopefully VRChat has optimizations coming eventually. I know they've been updating stuff for creators but man....we need fixes for other things, lol

[stone current]

so it looks the same and works just fine

[languid beacon]

Personal stuff stays below 32K on pc. But stuff for other people I just stay good rates

[cinder wharf]

I'd rather they fixed bugs and whatnot.

[stone current]

theyre gonna have to change things for quest 2 compatibility

[crystal burrow]

I just want it to run better....

[stone current]

probably gonna make quest users feel even more like they fucked up lmao

[languid beacon]

I hope they don’t increase the tri limits for quest 2

[cinder wharf]

I don't want feature creep.

[languid beacon]

Just let the beefier chip fix the framerate

[stone current]

everyone who uses unlinked quest in vrchat is at a severe disadvantage to everything

[cinder wharf]

otherwise stuff just gets more broken

[stone current]

the only upgrade is that now you have hands and a head but at what cost

like more than half of the game and its features

[languid beacon]

If they do stuff like white list transparency on shaders then will be broken for all the quest 1 people

[stone current]

speaking of which can we at least have cutout shaders

like come on this is bs

[languid beacon]

I think the whole idea is letting it all work on a forward render. Forward renderers can’t do transparency or cutout

[stone current]

sure but thats so lame

[crystal burrow]

I'm just curious if upgrading to a 3000 series GPU will benefit me much. Looking at 3080 but would fork over the cash for a 3090 if it'll help in VR.

[stone current]

the biggest reason why i don't have most of my avatars as quest compatible

is solely because without the cutout shader it looks like garbage

so i don't even bother

[languid beacon]

I just remake them. Like for glasses I just ditch the lenses

[stone current]

if i take all the fur tufts out it looks disgusting

not worth it

[languid beacon]

Normalmap the fluff instead

[stone current]

not the same

[languid beacon]

Or model it

[stone current]

ima go play vrc

[cinder wharf]

The RTX 3000 series would be a worthwhile upgrade if you're going for high-res in VR. provided your headset supports higher resolutions.

[stone current]

hopefully i can find a fix for my mic problems on index

it might be my mDP adapter but also maybe not

[hardy raven]

just take a screenshot of your pc model and slap it onto a plane for the quest version lmao

[stone current]

i just rather sign instead of speak until its fixed

[languid beacon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/442444657428004866/755859409795809319/image0.png

[stone current]

yea but thats basic af

most of my quest compatible avatars look almost identical to the PC version

only thing going over is the poly counts

but at most its like 20-30k

[cinder wharf]

I'm overkill in hardware on VR right now.

[stone current]

im buying a new laptop soon both for VR and for my personal projects and work

rtx gpu and decently modern intel cpu

[languid beacon]

Above is 70000 vs 7500

[stone current]

on the left u can definitely reduce polygon counts without losing quality

[cinder wharf]

I mean for VRChat a single RX 580 was enough but I decided to go LiquidVR and bought a second one, but since my headset is limited to 90Hz it's a bit overkill. But I can't complain. Smooth framerate.

[stone current]

don't need 70k for that, i have similar models with skin under the clothes with far less polygons

the cpu bottleneck for vrchat is what kills me

[languid beacon]

Yeah it’s never had a tri optimizations pass because it wouldn’t have gotten down to 32000 to improve the rating anyway so I didn’t bother

[stone current]

GPU isnt doing much work

[crystal burrow]

Will more VRAM help in VR?
I either get a 3080 with 10GB
Or a 3090 with 24GB.
ORRR wait for different versions of the 3080 with even more VRAM.

[stone current]

VRAM just helps with textures an such but

[languid beacon]

If an avatar is good rated, I do everything good ratings allow lol

[cinder wharf]

8GB is enough for VRChat

[stone current]

i don't bc dynamic bones

[cinder wharf]

Right now VRChat doesn't even come close to overloading GPU framebuffer.

[stone current]

just put a single dynamic bone and at best you get medium ranked

[cinder wharf]

So 10GB should be fine.

[crystal burrow]

I'm still using a GTX 980...
So I want to update to something that'll cover me for a while

[cinder wharf]

Is there going to be a 16GB version?

Heck it, just go for the 24GB version.

[stone current]

i need a new laptop which is why i upgrade

[crystal burrow]

Probably? There's been rumors from folks who called the current releases

[stone current]

im going to use RTX for fast blender rendering

and the cpu/gpu will be great for machine learning and stuff

and game development on the go

and also coincidentally for VR

[cinder wharf]

My personal preference is to go with the card that has the most VRAM. And oftentimes that's the more expensive GPU.

[stone current]

i was thinking either

rtx 2060, rtx 2070 super maxq, or rtx 2070

in order of cheapest to most expensive laptop build

[cinder wharf]

Mainly because I was trapped on a 2GB GPU for so long I got PTSD from it. And now I just avoid the GPU's that have less VRAM.

[stone current]

maybe rtx 2080 but eh.. Overkill

i will probably pick the rtx 2070 super maxq

its hard to find benchmarks for

[cinder wharf]

I dunno, with PC Gaming there's almost no such thing as Overkill because eventually even an Overkill system gets surpassed by newer hardware.

[stone current]

well yea but technology doesnt have much else to go from here

back then we were rendering with low poly and laggy games

[cinder wharf]

That's what they said in 1985

[stone current]

now we can render raytraced scens in realtime at > 60 fps

so idk where else we would go that would absolutely require more powerful hardware

[cinder wharf]

640K outta be enough for anyone.

[shut jewel]

My thinking is you can either buy an expensive card and keep it for a long time or buy a less expensive card and buy replacements more frequently. I guess you're talking about a laptop though? Do cards like that fit in a laptop, idk how it works.

[stone current]

it does somehow

[slender venture]

hello!

[crystal burrow]

Ok...I've been sitting down for too long. I think it's time for lunch then VR. The hunt for decent male avatars continues...

[stone current]

you can buy laptops with rtx 2080s in them its insane

for about the same price you would to get one with a 1060 in the older days

so its interesting to think about

[shut jewel]

And yes, if you're going to buy a 20-series, definitely buy a Super, because it's well-priced and a later edition. I have a 2060 Super myself and it is perfectly good for playing Alyx, which is the most strenuous game I have

[cinder wharf]

we have VR headsets and newer ones are coming out soon, and you want to tell me we can't go any further from here? LOL

[stone current]

ok I'll look into it

i was thinking about buying this one:

[slender venture]

why am i just a gray robot in vr chat?

[stone current]

https://store.gigabyte.us/aorus-15g-xb-8us2130mp-15-6-240hz-fhd-i7-10875h-rtx-2070-super-max-q-gddr6-8gb-8gbx2-ddr4-m-2-pcie-512gb-ssd-win10-pro/

[fresh moon]

this is such a great time to buy a new gpu to be honest

[tribal widget]

Personally I would stay away from making assumptions about how much rendering power is enough.

[cinder wharf]

It's like the riddle of System Memory, the real answer is there is never enough.

[stone current]

i mean we will probably still support rtx gpus a long time from now with decent fps

[fresh moon]

i think if people can wait a month or two for ti/super variants to come out for the new 3000 series we are gonna see biggg price drops in older generations

[tribal widget]

In a few years, it's going to look like Bill Gates' famous "I don't know why any computer would need more than 640K of RAM"

[fresh moon]

hey, quick vr chat question. would anybody happen to know where i could find a clancy from midnight gospel avatar in-game?

[tribal widget]

It will be "sufficient" when your home computer can do the same quality of CGI in real time that you see in the movies.

[stone current]

what u think about that laptop i sent?

[reef finch]

Oop

[cinder wharf]

the real question is how much further to go to that point of quality?

[fresh moon]

also it should be said that 24 gigabytes of vram is way overkill for vrchat, or just about any current game

[cinder wharf]

It really isn't.

[fresh moon]

the 3090 is supposed to be a professional grade card. it's the new titan, more intended for rendering, 3D cg, and training machine learning models

[cinder wharf]

It might be for now, but not in the future.

[stone current]

if you want to render 8-16k textures in a complex environment

probably reaching the limit

[fresh moon]

i mean that's true for any card though. that's entirely facile. you could say that the quadro 8000 is 'overkill for gaming now but not for the future'. you still wouldn't recommend it to a gamer.

[cinder wharf]

though I will admit we're approaching the point where rasterization is reaching it's limit in terms of potential hence the move to real-time RT.

yeah but people don't game on Quadros.

[fresh moon]

biggest vram hog is caching textures and micro-poly stuff anyway honestly and i don't see that getting much more intensive. the RT cores are definitely where it's at, yes

no, they don't

they didn't on the rtx titan either, particularly.

the 3090 is just the new rtx titan made part of the geforce lineup

[cinder wharf]

I don't think too many people bought an RTX Titan not because of the overkill but because of the price.

[fresh moon]

no, not too many people bought it because it was marketed at creatives. that is also what dictated the price

[cinder wharf]

Tell that to Linus who build a gaming machine around it.

[fresh moon]

i mean all it comes down to is that i'd just reaaally advise against people going for anything above a 3080ti if they're just gaming. diminishing returns unless you're rendering scenes in octane, cycles, etc w/ lots of high poly models and 8k textures.

[cinder wharf]

I mean when money is no object, you tell a gamer it's overkill and they're just going to look at you and say "yeah well I'm going to anyway."

[fresh moon]

i think the primary reason is because by the time games catch up with that sort of power there will be a new generation of cards with new features and better price-per-performance ratio anyway

trying to get ahead of the generational leap is always a mistake, and always guaranteed to lose the customer money

[tribal widget]

The real argument is if you insist on high poly models and huge textures in VR, you may be alone because no one else can come in.

[fresh moon]

that is also extremely true, yes

i mean that is why games have different quality settings of course

[cold talon]

200k poly 20mat ava 🕺

[fresh moon]

but pretty soon games will be relying on UE5's nanite tech, sony's gpu based ssd retrieval, and nvidias I/O for delivering assets onto the screen

[cinder wharf]

So then why have High and Ultra presets if people are only going to buy mid-tier trash they'll have to upgrade eventually?

[fresh moon]

and at that point older cards won't really have a look-in

you don't need a 3090 to run games at high or ultra presets though

the 3080 can run microsoft flight simulator at 4k on ultra just fine

what more could you possibly want before you start to experience diminishing returns for your money

[tribal widget]

Game designers want to let the people with the high end systems enjoy what they've got, while making it accessible for those who don't.

[fresh moon]

i'm doubting even cyberpunk 2077 will be as intensive as ms flight sim

[cinder wharf]

Yeah but game development isn't static there's always going to be games that push the limits. Even during current technology.

[tribal widget]

No one ever lost money betting on higher performance in the future, in the whole history of computer games.

[fresh moon]

yes and i'm saying that by that point a new generation of cards, possibly even two new generations of cards, will have rendered the 3090 obsolete anyway

buy the card that you will squeeze the most power out of in the generation that card released in, upgrade with each cycle at a small deficit

[tribal widget]

The corollary is, if you keep waiting for the ultimate machine, and keep looking at all the new things that come out, you'll never buy one.

[cinder wharf]

exactly

[fresh moon]

yes, completely

[cinder wharf]

And like I said people who see money as no object will just buy whatever the highest one they can get their hands on.

the 3080 can run microsoft flight simulator at 4k on ultra just fine
@fresh moon at an amazing 41 fps. which if you're used to playing at 60 fps it's minimally exceptional. ( that's not a good thing)

[mental shuttle]

anyone good with PCs who can answer a question about RAM? ._.

maybe wrong channel...

[tribal widget]

The flip side of the Quest is that you don't have to spend thousands on a high end gaming PC, which makes it a good entry level system for the rest of us.

[cinder wharf]

misquote I was talking about MS Flight Sim 2020

[vocal shard]

The flip side of the Quest is that you don't have to spend thousands on a high end gaming PC, which makes it a good entry level system for the rest of us.
@tribal widget every quest game is literally can be played on laptop

[tribal widget]

Unless you have a Mac

[rigid lagoon]

I kind of want to go around VrChat and interview people on what their entry level to VR was like.

[vocal shard]

If you have mak you can afford pc that runs quest games and some good headset.

[rigid lagoon]

I bet some people have pretty interesting stories.

[mental shuttle]

I plan on doing that but with all sorts of questions X3

[tribal widget]

like someone who bought a high end Mac, then lost their job and now can't afford a low end PC?

[vocal shard]

like someone who bought a high end Mac, then lost their job and now can't afford a low end PC?
@tribal widget
You should consider having good job before buying expensive nieshe entertainment system

[tribal widget]

Actually I'm considering being rich before buying a niche entertainment system. 😛

[broken plover]

can I press a button to be rich

[vocal shard]

Actually I'm considering being rich before buying a niche entertainment system. 😛
@tribal widget
So you dont need quest definately.

I use oculus product and im not satisfied with quality and stability

[tribal widget]

I wasn't speaking for myself. Many people will buy the Quest 2 because it's an affordable entry level system for them, or their children.

[vocal shard]

Theres nothing to do in vr this time except vrchat and cutting cubes

[sonic obsidian]

I was gonna wait for a 3000-series gpu to upgrade my headset from a Vive to an HP Reverb G2, but seeing what's happening to 2080 prices...

[vocal shard]

Else games are single day entertainment

[tribal widget]

As it has ever been, for the last 30 years.

[sly jacinth]

Big ole RAWR

[vocal shard]

So its better to consider buying good headset if you want to play vrchat

Hp reverb will support base stations?

[sonic obsidian]

I know they're doing inside-out tracking for their controllers, but I could probably still use my vive wands if I don't take down my base stations

[supple cedar]

when I play vrc my whole internet slows down. I dont notice it but everytime i hop on somone in my house comes in my room and asks me what im doing thats slowing the internet down so much. Does fbt take alot of bandwith to run or whats the problem?

[rough pulsar]

@supple cedar Sounds like interference on the 2.4GHz frequency for wifi. Get your familiy to switch the router to 5GHz mode. You'll likely notice an improvement in tracking too.

[supple cedar]

alright sounds good ty

[knotty violet]

guys where can i find ainz onllsd gowl avatar

[quasi bobcat]

Hey can I get some help

[warm hornet]

anyone know if the oculus sight take your money right away when you preorder or when it ships

[vocal shard]

is there a world where i can make a pose press a button and it will make a 3d copy of my pose?

[sterile pike]

any creators on here

[regal furnace]

for what?

[sterile pike]

hunting for a base model

i have a picture of the one im looking for but i put it in the user support under development, idk where else to have put it

[regal furnace]

upload it to imgur and post the link here

[simple pike]

got my index 👏

[regal furnace]

cool! be careful with it!

[loud lintel]

finally!

[sterile pike]

https://imgur.com/a/G7SAs92

^ looking for that

not that one specifically, but you understand what im looking for

smol boi

[hardy raven]

LAT Len base, maybe? im not well-versed in MMD model-types anymore

but the size of the eyes and the shape of the face is making me think LAT

[sterile pike]

its called lat len base?

ill look it up, cuz i couldn't find a name

[regal furnace]

https://www.deviantart.com/mmdladdyboi003/art/LAT-Len-Kagamine-Base-DOWNLOAD-462371973
ill assume its this one

[sterile pike]

nope, not quite

[hardy raven]

might be a face edit too

there's hundreds of those

[sterile pike]

so i may just be hunting two different parts that are commonly stuck together, is that what you're saying

[hardy raven]

correct

that whole model is kitbashed, after all.

hell, my own kitbash has a different face/body combo

[sterile pike]

im looking for the smol body with the oversized sweater, and that face that always has the same exact expressions

[hardy raven]

yeah, thats what face edits have
shapekeys pre-done

among other tweaks

[sterile pike]

lol this is so over my head

https://imgur.com/a/33qaCB8 this one. this is another copy with some different cosmetics

[hardy raven]

but yeah you'd have to ask someone with that specific model bc LAT is extremely popular in the MMD community

or, was, anyway. TDA is still king.

it might be a sour?

nah

the face is way too different

it might be an Appearance male base, though i have absolutely no idea.

[sterile pike]

lol i wouldn't know either

[regal furnace]

https://booth.pm/en/items/1093504
could also be this one

[lament zinc]

I'm a bit curious if VRChat will have an Oculus 2 build up and running for the HS since there is the developer side of things where they get info a bit before us

[ruby needle]

the current build should run just fine at the beginning, a dedicated build to unlock the higher refresh is sure thing that would be nice to have. cirPrise

[winged depot]

I hope so cause if they make a sdk for full body compatibility, I'd be willing to give it a try vs still stuck waiting for a index... Would be a bonus if u could use the controller free mode as well..

[sleek orbit]

how do you do FBT with Quest?

[fading holly]

hey im just curious some reason some avatars wont load at all and some can what do you all think it might be the cause?

[simple pike]

cant play index today

[vocal shard]

I have returned

🦧

DexiVR has entered the chat 👁👄👁

Who?

[normal prawn]

I am now unstoppable; an amazing friend put tenten's keyboard onto an avi

[ruby needle]

A keyboard on a video file

[normal prawn]

b r u h

avi = avatar
;u;

[ruby needle]

ava = avatar

[normal prawn]

I say avi tho cos others said avi and now its a habit no bulli pls ;u;

[vocal shard]

A quick question does anyone else here encountered any issues with vrchat that it makes you go through portals when you arent remotly close to them?

Ever since their update thats been happening, game is like unplayable almost

[simple pike]

When i just got my index but dont have the displayport

[vocal shard]

Yikes

No display port on your computer at all?

[simple pike]

Different connector

I only have hdmi

[vocal shard]

That.... Won't work >~<

You can't convert hdmi to display port

[simple pike]

Noooooo

[vocal shard]

I'm sorry

[simple pike]

😭

[crisp tusk]

Question... Does VRchat ever bug out and unfriend people?

[vocal shard]

@simple pike what's your specs? Gpu?

@crisp tusk I had that happen once a couple years ago. But nothing since

[vast siren]

@muted wharf @covert chasm me and a friend were sitting in a private world and just got banned

[crisp tusk]

Though I should ask since half of my friend list went poof about the same time as the world database started bugging out.

[stable folio]

sounds like a glitch

it happens frequently with vrchat. Give it a bit.

[vast siren]

the ban? @stable folio

[stable folio]

Also unicorn, usually bad idea to try and ping the admins lol

[muted wharf]

#vrchat-support

[vast siren]

okie

[simple pike]

Uh intel 630

Ik its not supported

[vocal shard]

Yeah... That won't really run anything vr TBH... Is it a laptop?

[simple pike]

Pc

[vocal shard]

Ok. So you can still upgrade with a new GPU?

[simple pike]

Maybe

[silver trench]

Anyone want to hang out at the midnight roof top

[vocal shard]

I told myspace they su ked because they didn't send me a verification for a new account. So before I deleted it I told them they sucked. Then I forgot they went out of business

[upper cradle]

Anyone wanna join and look at my 1st server on discord? Its public

[feral sedge]

Anyone wanna play, Im down for anything dm if intersterd

[carmine nebula]

Woah, lol. A huge chunk of people just get yeeted?

Oh, no

[winged depot]

@coral crater not yet. I was going to get one a while back but people kept telling me I'd have a bad time and just wait for an index... But the sang thing takes forever to be available...

[carmine nebula]

Wait nevermind I forget people don't have a default role. That just confused the hell out of me xD

[twin fractal]

lol it looks so ugly. still not used to it

[jovial pulsar]

yeeeeet

[proud echo]

@strange banedadew here?

[runic merlin]

What are good servers to join to talk to normal people

[tough ether]

can you no longer add symbols to your username?

[heady salmon]

if everyone is different, can there even be a 'normal' tho.

[runic merlin]

I mean like someone who you can have a real conversation with

[sterile ingot]

Few and far between in VRC. More common to see goofing around or some kind of improv.

For public rooms, anyways.

[runic merlin]

Yea now that I think about it that could be any server

Yea i did that last time and had the best conversation

[sterile ingot]

Ever try talking to mirror sitters?

They aren't THAT hard to talk to.

[runic merlin]

Well I just started playing so I don't know what that is

[sterile ingot]

It's a crab shoot, like any other random group, if you ask me.

In ways I think being a mirror sitter is similar to being a wall flower.

[runic merlin]

._.?

[velvet totem]

They are referring to people who sit in front of mirrors. and thats all they do.

[runic merlin]

Oh ok makes since

[crisp tusk]

I never get the point of just... parking yourself in front of a mirror and just stare at your virtual self all day...

On the other hand, I only really use mirrors to make sure the tracking isn't bugging out.

Also, I get bored really quickly.

[vocal shard]

for some of us its waifu simulator so we like to stare at what we wear

whhhhhyyyy i just want to import a reggie model for unity QwQ

[north garden]

Mirror culture, an interesting one

I figured maybe people wanna see themselves petting their friends while sitting down

[vocal shard]

Hi I feel sad

[real moat]

Hey Vsauce, Michael here.

[heady salmon]

here michael from hey vsauce

[uncut trail]

remove orange status 😦 ruining vrchat socialising

[sharp rose]

remove chat >:U (not really)

[grim tusk]

Remove depression :D (yes really)

[vocal shard]

you can't do that
a lot of people will lose their unique personality trait

[hollow sluice]

@uncut trail ah yes. Nothings better than invading your friends without their consent

If they dont want you to join they probably have a good reason lol

[vocal shard]

don't play vrchat if you don't want to socialize

It's literally made for that, if you just lock yourself in private to do nothing, what's the point

remove orange status

[regal furnace]

orange has its pros and cons

its annoying at times, but also quite useful

[near saffron]

Yeah it can be nice when u don’t want everyone joining
but some peeps are orange 99% of the time and I don’t have it in me to request inv

[regal furnace]

i really should stop using orange that much

[crisp tusk]

Some people like to investigate new places uninterrupted... and there's just something about being able to sit on some beach at night by yourself that can be pretty relaxing.

Also, what's orange status?

[shut jewel]

I want VRChat to perform better, I think my GPU is pretty good, but I've heard it's kinda CPU-bottlenecked. I could definitely improve that. Also wondering if more RAM would help (currently have 16gb)

[hollow sluice]

It will but not much

[grim tusk]

orange has its pros and cons
I'm perma orange and love the game

[hollow sluice]

The performace issues come from unoptimized worlds and avatars. No gpu or cpu upgrade will make any noticable improvement. Game engines are not designed to handle assets this badly made

[vocal shard]

Hey

[hollow sluice]

@shut jewel

[vocal shard]

I know cause my computer can run any game without issues until vrchat, it's the first game to crash on it.

[shut jewel]

I know a lot of it is poorly optimized, but I figure if I can handle the poorly-optimized stuff better maybe I'll get less framerate loss. My performance isn't bad but I like to record and make little clips sometimes, and I thought maybe it could be a little smoother in one I recently made.

[hollow sluice]

Its less about the hardware and more about the game engine

32gb did help me crash less though since the memory leak would take longer to crash the game

[vocal shard]

Lol yeah my router sucks tbh

Mostly bad server connections

[hollow sluice]

Well yes but because of how unity works even if you have a super computer the performance wont be much better

But at the core ots the user generated content.

[vocal shard]

But I don't have shades and particles off either. I have had the game for a week so I'm still new.

[shut jewel]

I'm trying to avoid VeryPoor avatars myself. A dancing club I joined requires it. I actually found a Medium quality avatar that looks decent. But shopping around, most avatars are VeryPoor

[vocal shard]

I am going to upload my own avatar soon cause I played enough.

[hollow sluice]

@shut jewel make your own

[vocal shard]

That's what I mean

[hollow sluice]

But pretty much as soon as you block poor and very poor you will pretty much have the same experience as the quest

[shut jewel]

Yeah, most other users are using Very Poor, and some of the coolest, gimmicky avatars I assume are Very Poor

[heady salmon]

I'm probably never gonna be good enough at making anything to even reach 1/10 the poly 'limit' or make decent textures, unfortunately, so idk.

[vocal shard]

I am also getting vr soon.

The Vive

[shut jewel]

I might make my own avatar eventually, but I'm still new

[vocal shard]

There are plenty of tutorial on how to use the software.

Tutorials.

[warped violet]

Someone keeps stealing my account >;[

[vocal shard]

:(

[warped violet]

Ya, my account name is changed now.

Cannot log in or recovery password ;[

[tough ether]

🤔

[vocal shard]

🤔

[warped violet]

🤔

[grim tusk]

🤔

[hollow kiln]

🤔

[warped violet]

Well, I received two e-mails

one said my original name and that someone was trying to change my e-mail. other one said with a new name that someone was trying to change my e-mail. ;l

i try to log into my account and password is change, so i try to recover but no e-mail is received.

ya i have ;[

hopefully someone doesnt have it out for me ;[

[final moon]

if they have your email and password then you'd better change password on other stuff that share that password

[warped violet]

my passwords are different, lab ;o

[final moon]

there's a site for that if I remember correctly

https://haveibeenpwned.com/

you put in your email and it tells you if you've been pwned

[warped violet]

well my email is safe ;o

and my steam is fine. so this is just someone stealing my vrchat account >;[