hi mimi 
#vrchat-general-2
sterile mortar
dusty cobalt
I want a menu where we can map buttons. I hate this update.
ocean elm
How do I open the new menu on Desktop
covert blade
@vocal shard You can just set it to zero and that disables the limiter
It'll say "No limit" then
river pagoda
bruh moment
covert blade
Also spending many minutes downloading a ton of avatars aint fun for me
I can just manually show people if need be
glass breach
That's cool
So I installed the new update and opened the game and it crashed my pc.
pale rivet
How do I jump now?
covert blade
But I also decided to set my perf limiter to medium so most people are probably perf blocked anyways
vast tulip
@vocal shard you will probably come to see what I mean when you actually try it. the compressed download size of a proper PBR avatar is probably not over 50MB
fast oxide
Does your trust level only go up on proper VRchat accounts? I have a lot of hours on the Steam one
river pagoda
Yes
covert blade
The download size of my Macaron is 30mb for some reason
ebon sedge
New 3.0 avatar system breaks other avatars and lag the game out so badly if you aren't in 3.0 avatar. got 20 fps when I would usually be sat at 70 in a friends world with 4 people. Please take this back 🙏 🙏 🙏
vast tulip
my avatar is PBR as well, I'm 13MB
river pagoda
This update to be a bit of the big dum dum
wraith sable
I don't have any performance issues
celest dawn
new jump button is ass!
rocky blaze
right who has thing to edit binds
celest dawn
i hate it
rocky blaze
i am sick of this
covert blade
Well my avatar has like 8 materials
celest dawn
it works against my play space mover
desert stratus
@rocky blaze get OVR advanced settings, change bindings in steamvr
glass breach
@river pagoda ikr how bad do you have to screw up an update for it to completely crash someone's system upon launching the game.
celest dawn
- i use joystick in to jump in like every game
vast tulip
then change the binding of either?
celest dawn
GRUMBLE!
rocky swift
legacy calibration is fake
desert stratus
you unfortunately wont be able to go back to the oculus build but tbh at some point the steamvr build became better than the oculus build
river pagoda
I want them to just change the jump button back to what it was and fix the fuckin avatars
rocky blaze
i dont have ovr
rocky swift
legacy calibration is fake and wont fix things if it didn't work with new one
vast tulip
@celest dawn do you use steam vr?
carmine nebula
This avatar 3.0 doesnt sound exciting at all
rotund axle
@carmine nebula Not really
carmine nebula
So many models I have to hunt down from commissioners to "fix"
vast tulip
you can change it yourself then
wraith sable
i do
@celest dawn just change the keybind then
vast tulip
steam vr bindings editor
covert blade
@carmine nebula The old avatars aren't supposed to break though
rocky swift
i guess everything will be fine when people fix their avatars, sad that legacy mode was just a total lie
covert blade
If they do, it'll hopefully be resolved soon
wraith sable
and my old avatars did not break, so huh, guess some people are just unlucky
carmine nebula
People in communities are saying something about fullbody fix
celest dawn
i guess ill try that its still ass
carmine nebula
Or something about the spine is screwed
covert blade
Did you use rig hacks to make fullbody work?
carmine nebula
No
celest dawn
anyway much love vrc devs ty for working on stuff
rocky swift
why include things when they don't actually do the thing advertised. tjust tell people to get fucked streaight up
carmine nebula
They used whatever they had to do in both blender and unity
wraith sable
I don't see why you're having so much trouble
Update is working fine for me @rocky swift
polar bone
Everyone I'm talking to says they hate the new menu
ruby needle
The biggest trouble people have is CHANGE to existing flows
covert blade
^
rocky swift
doesn't fit my avatar and the legacy mode doesn't work like the legacy mode
i'm fine with it with in general, the update priorities are fine but i'm sad i need to reupload
carmine nebula
Avatar 2.0 was just fine. As long as 3.0 doesnt unnecessarily break all my models
Then I dont care
fading rover
update is yucky 🤮
covert blade
I like when people just cry out that things are broken but don't explain what exactly is broken, or for some reason just think that them ranting will fix anything
old swallow
the new fbt cab method works great with kinect v2 yay
wraith sable
oh no, something new
"VrChAt DiEs. ChAnGe Is BaD. FiX mE bEiNg BaD"
covert blade
I mean apparently some 2.0 avatars did break, although I dont know what exactly it is that is broken
gusty flume
playspace binds are fucked with oculus now smh
fading rover
yeah
rocky swift
--legacy-mode doesn't work like calibrating used to work
rotund axle
Just allow us to disable the new Menu and go back to Legacy controls in settings
carmine nebula
If we use sdk2 will it not affect the avatars in fbt
rocky swift
new calibration sets viewball too high
pseudo flume
Great job VRChat
rocky swift
that's my probl--legacy mode sets viewball too high too
fading rover
rip playspace 2020
carmine nebula
Cause it seems like multiple people are "crying" about the same problems
wraith sable
that problem seems to be change
Before the update I heard TONS of people complain about the system being to limited
Now those limits got raised
but something changed obviously
Adapting to changes is a great skill everyone should learn imo
undone holly
Just got here, what's wrong with the update? Everyone is complaining lol
covert blade
I dunno
wraith sable
it is good. It's just new and people have to "relearn" it
vast tulip
the way to use the new calibration is, you look down to make sure your feet are using the same position and gap. not to align the balls. after that, you look forward and calibrate. that's it. @carmine nebula .
desert stratus
@wraith sable main complaint seems to be with fbt calibariation (jump button doesnt count since apparently a lot of people dont like stick jump and you can change the binding)
polar prawn
playspace is now annoying bc the menu button when held brings up the new menus
carmine nebula
That just sounds the same as before
cold talon
Wdym the ui is not good? @lament siren
lament siren
i'm just worried about my 2.0 avatars since i just finished working on one LOL
rocky swift
update in general is great i just can't calibrate to my avatar any more
desert stratus
thing is though its literally better and quicker to just hit T-pose and calibrate quickly without looking as long as youre already standing in a neutral position, carefully managing every part of your body is more unnatrual, takes too long, and isnt worth it
lament siren
i haven't seen it personally @cold talon but that's what people are saying- that it takes longer to navigate than the other
dire wharf
my 2.0 avatar works fine for me
desert stratus
like literally i spend less than a second calibrating for fbt every time i use it and its so much better than carefully tweaking it
dire wharf
I tried a few of them and they all seem to work
cold talon
I think its great, we even have debug menu now to help with finding issues with the avatars 
desert stratus
ui things dont count since you get used to it very quickly and it has done nothing to change how gestures have worked for the longest time
rocky blaze
@desert stratus i dont know what i am doing
agile ledge
anyone here know what the afk thing does
cold talon
No more changing stuff randomly till it works
desert stratus
old avatars work exactly the same as they do pre and post update
dire wharf
fbt takes a tad longer tho
lament siren
as long as my 2.0 models haven't broken i will be fine LOL
desert stratus
@agile ledge afk idle animation is now a default thing that happens when ur afk or opening steamvr menu
deep salmon
I cannot use hand gestures at all with my right hand
dire wharf
as long as my 2.0 models haven't broken i will be fine LOL
@lament siren They shouldnt be dw, mine work fine 👍
agile ledge
oh ok
lament siren
ok!!
vocal shard
why they have to make it so now everyone can turn on gestures
desert stratus
@lament siren 2.0 models are perfectly fine and are actually 100% compatible with client avatar 3.0 features
vocal shard
i bought index just for that
deep salmon
This is an absolute disaster. Revert. Revert.
rocky blaze
avatars dont work the exact same few of mine are breaking their neck
desert stratus
you only need to bring project files into the new sdk 3 if you want to reconfigure things using avatars 3.0
cold talon
@lament siren
They will probably be broken if they have fbt or neck fix on them
rocky swift
aint nobody got time for dat
desert stratus
oh yeah pls stop using fbt / neck fixes
vocal shard
Wow my spartans are broken
desert stratus
they literally were talking about this like over a year ago to stop using fbt fixes because they were working on them
vocal shard
All of them -_-
desert stratus
either keep up with development as usual or get bent
also you can switch to legacy calibration
so you dont even have to use the new fbt calibration if you dont like it lol
cold talon
There are still reports of avatars that get randomly broken even if they follow the normal standard humanoid rig, not sure what could cause that
steep fulcrum
i hate it
carmine nebula
S0lar. Hate to tell you bud but huge amounts of people are clashing against what you have to say over in the other channel about what's been done about this
steep fulcrum
its keep giving me errors
mossy forge
I kinda hate this update no cap
scenic gazelle
rall back this fuckin shit
dire wharf
#vrchat-general-1 is a mosh pit rn 😂
desert stratus
someone said that it doesnt work
im gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and if the launch option doesnt work its probably a really easy patch to fix that will come like
scenic gazelle
its ass
desert stratus
tomorrow, or within the next few hours as usual
also rollback gang is fucking cringe ngl lmao
i remember why i dont look at this server on the first day an update drops lol
dire wharf
is every update this bad then? 😬
polar prawn
yup
desert stratus
this update has been better than previous updates, actually
dire wharf
yay?
desert stratus
ive been with full body vr users who are fucking loving it so far
and im literally on ass hardware that youd expect this game to be at its buggiest on
polar prawn
dancers are hating this because it messes things up really badly
desert stratus
and its running just fine
scenic gazelle
true
polar prawn
also people who spent money on avatars that are now broken
desert stratus
when they make legacy fbt calibration actually work on the launch options
orchid iris
What are gestures?
dire wharf
setting up fbt is alot more erm, accurate? takes a tad longer to set up tho annoyingly
steep fulcrum
op time toi see if my avatars are broke
carmine nebula
I didnt invest money into good work for it to break pal
desert stratus
i 100% guarantee you most of the fbt "being broken" now is because people are still using fbt "fixes" that we have been told over and over to stop fucking using ever since last year
polar prawn
exactly ardoria
desert stratus
and that isnt the most difficult thing to revert in blender tbh
dire wharf
i didnt even know these fixes existed haha
scenic gazelle
my nights and weekend gone thanks alot
desert stratus
i get that weight painting is hard but fbt fixes are not difficult to revert
full trout
childs
spring wagon
What does gestures do? I see a rock hand icon glow green, but nothing happens
full trout
reeee
desert stratus
literally vive tracker and kinect users alike are 100% on board with new full body and im watching them and they look fine so i genuinely dont understand whats happening
dire wharf
gestures disables your fingers
full trout
whats up
dire wharf
basically
spring wagon
ok
desert stratus
@spring wagon for current or avatars 2.0 stuff not much. right now the only thing that button does is toggle whether your avatar gestures are on or not
spring wagon
thx
dire wharf
so like, if you have an avatar that does things with certain hand positions, it stops that from happening
bronze topaz
Devs 🤨
desert stratus
so if you dont want your gestures on temporarily for some reason you can just turn them off
bronze topaz
Devs wtf 🤨 👉
scenic gazelle
why this menu
placid hedge
roll
dire wharf
ight, imma head out before i lose my last braincell
desert stratus
@scenic gazelle when avatar 3.0 avatars become commonplace (and they will because 3.0 > 2.0) the menu will start making a lot more sense
i heavily reccomend going to the avatars 3.0 demo world and trying out the avatars there
mess around with the radial menu again and i promise you you are going to shit over how cool it is
solid flare
Woohoo VRChat is even more broken, well done VRChat.
scenic gazelle
no it wont
bronze topaz
@desert stratus it'll literally take like months for everyone to understand avatars 3.0
desert stratus
if youve used vrc inventory system before, its now completely obsolete and replaced
vocal shard
There is already a bug with the mirror whenever you take picture near it breaks.
lyric escarp
way to fuck up your game
desert stratus
doubt. vrc sdk 2.0 wasnt difficult to learn to begin with and now it should be less bullshit since they have an actual good avatar system in place
placid hedge
cant calebrateeee
stoic compass
Neos lookin a little more worth it now
vocal shard
LethalLexi are you the sexy ass dude omfg big fan
scenic gazelle
they like to
vocal shard
What does the AFK thing do?
desert stratus
im personally giving myself a week cuz i dont think its gonna take me longer than that
vocal shard
anyone know?
desert stratus
@vocal shard an AFK animation is now part of the controller / default animation set for avatars and activates when you use the steamvr desktop in game
solid flare
No wonder it's not out of Alpha
vocal shard
Can't wait till ChilloutVR gets fully released
lone scroll
#bring back one click gesture toggle
solid flare
On my way to NeosVR.
cosmic sinew
oculus users can't jump now amazing
desert stratus
everything else that has come forth
you can, its now set to a button on right controller
vocal shard
full escarp
All controls are on one controller now.
vast tulip
cycle of the internet. Something changes -> everyone freaks out saying it's ruined -> week later no one cares
desert stratus
if youre on a PC you cn always just launch the steam build, use OVR adv settings to
agile ledge
oculus users can't jump now amazing
@cosmic sinew you sure its not just the world?
desert stratus
@vast tulip tell me about it lol, rollback gang is hella cringe
lone scroll
mimi some changes are simply worse
lone scroll
like the removal of a dedicated gesture toggle, going through the menu sucks frankly
pseudo flume
Right hand joystick lets you jump, but that same joystick is now the new action menu, great.
full escarp
The new oculus controls suck
limpid cypress
I hate the NEW MENU omg, please change it back
cosmic sinew
no the jump button opens the new menu
teal glacier
The new oculus controls suck
very much this.
desert stratus
what the fuck? have you actually been keeping up with development lately? is two toggle gesture really fucking worse than avatars 3.0 and the (good, mind you) ui?
vocal shard
everyone wouldn't be so mad about the rollback if there wasn't so many bugs dude, it literally just updated and me and my friend found almost 4 bugs..
lone scroll
i cant wait for this game to die, use the chance and give chilloutvr a look
hidden wedge
^
limpid cypress
The new oculus controls are AWFUL. What the FUCK were you guys at VRChat thinking?!
hidden wedge
chillout vr, neosvr
lone scroll
competent devs and quality of life feautures
vocal shard
Dear VRChat devs. the new menu thing is a complete miss. what you need to do is keep jump bounded to the thumbstick and have your new cute little menu thing you made applied to the X and A button that we ALREADY don't use which not only makes things symmetrical in the layout but also doesnt remap the controls. please consider.
pseudo flume
^
lone scroll
vrchat devs know better hurdur
desert stratus
like im sorry but i actually do not get that. i get that this game has had a really shit and rough dev cycle but this update is an objective net positive and imo has been one of the best ones in a loong time
agile ledge
Dear VRChat devs. the new menu thing is a complete miss. what you need to do is keep jump bounded to the thumbstick and have your new cute little menu thing you made applied to the X and A button that we ALREADY don't use which not only makes things symmetrical in the layout but also doesnt remap the controls. please consider.
@vocal shard if on pc A and X are most likely used for playspace
lone scroll
the update is great, some stuff is just braindead and wasnt listened too
vocal shard
Menu is to press on joystick for emotes, oculus uses joystick to jump...
desert stratus
im not giving the vrc dev team infinite credit because thats dumb, im just saying that if you want to harp on a specific update to criticize them this isnt the one you want to call out lmao
full escarp
Could care less about everytning else in it, it's just the new oculus controls that are bad imo.
stoic compass
Who wants a temporary revert? cause that would be the right move for now
lone scroll
thats why ppl mad
limpid cypress
This new update is AIDS
desert stratus
the quest update? thats the one you want to hop on and that was a year ago lol
this one though? im still shitting over how cool it is
vocal shard
Oculus users can't jump. Can we get F for oculus users
desert stratus
literally my only complaint is that im gonna have to change the jump bind back to stick on the steam build
glacial phoenix
They kicked me
lime burrow
roleback
glacial phoenix
And muted me on the other chat
placid hedge
wow
vocal shard
Yeah rollback my main account for me 
ruby needle
@sweet belfry You're not geting banned fro criticism, but for spamming the same thing multiple times.
lime burrow
rollback
glacial phoenix
What about me, why did I get banned
desert stratus
give it a day for you to be used to it
vocal shard
@agile ledge so a modification to your game should even be considered as a reason to not apply the buttons there???
desert stratus
give it a week for you to suddenly love it because "omg cool public avatars now have wacky animations"
lone scroll
again, update is fucking great. some things suck tho and should hopefully get ironed out
glacial phoenix
also what about my fing wedding???
limpid cypress
Me and my friends wanna know if the Developers were smoking crack.
vocal shard
@ruby needle It's not spamming if everyone is typing the same thing, I thought it was considered spam if one user and saying the same thing over and over again?
desert stratus
i 100% agree, apparently legacy fbt doesnt work rn and i hope they patch that soon because its understandable why people would want the old one in some cases
vocal shard
Oculus Users can't jump, React if you are a oculus user
glacial phoenix
@ruby needle It's not spamming if everyone is typing the same thing, I thought it was considered spam if one user and saying the same thing over and over again?
@vocal shard exactly, i posted one thing then ppl did it too and I got kicked
steep fulcrum
@vocal shard i can jump
vocal shard
I do not hate the new menu, i hate the control mapping. ❤️ devs
lone scroll
they can jump lol
steep fulcrum
x or a
desert stratus
other than that though im not sure if theres much else to change. on a personal note about UI, though i havent had index controllers ever, i personally think having toggle inside the radial menu makes more sense with the current system
young crag
press A to jump
full escarp
We cant jump as we run, we don't have two thumbs.
lone scroll
half the people here making up shit lmao just to stoke the hate
limpid cypress
I bet none of the developers are reading this.
young valley
Death
desert stratus
as for other complaints about FBT judging most of them im 100% betting its part of the devs actually keeping a promise for once (!) on fixing FBT tracking which necessarily broke a lot of FBT fixes
agile ledge
@agile ledge so a modification to your game should even be considered as a reason to not apply the buttons there???
@vocal shard for quest users it would make sense to have that but pc people most likely will us it for playplace is not a modification its a part of steam
ruby needle
@glacial phoenix Chain copy pasta's are spam aswell, and users did repeat them self too.
steep fulcrum
BRUH oculus users press X or A
glacial phoenix
Well I posted it once
limpid cypress
half the people here making up shit lmao just to stoke the hate
@lone scroll No, we are upset because its terrible.
glacial phoenix
So why am I in trouble for it!??
vocal shard
Even so. Avatars that are 2.0 moved up to 3.0...
limpid cypress
LOL we are getting censored.
deep salmon
Restart the game try that first before you pannick
stoic locust
Rollback>
vocal shard
Is it only change for VR users?
but that shouldnt be a consideration of the dev team for something outside of their game. thats my point @agile ledge
desert stratus
like i 100% guarantee you people having FBT rig specific problems rn are still using things that we were told to stop doing back in august of last year
glacial phoenix
I’ve restarted and reinstalled the game and it’s still broken
young crag
@agile ledge The new menu wouldn't even effect playspace, the worst that would happen is that new menu opens up as you move your playspace... oh no???
desert stratus
also nobody is deleting criticsm, what people are doing is deleting the cringe creepypasta people keep spamming over and over thats flooding the entire chat
fossil dagger
THIS NEW Update completely ****** my avatars and im about to loose my ******
lone scroll
in anweek yall be using 3.0 stuff and praising it
cobalt mulch
Index user here, I miss being able to turn on and off gestures with a push of a button and locking it.
now I have to open a menu to do that and press left then up. 
near ether
I mean put it this way
vocal shard
I'm on desktop and everything looks the same though.
lone scroll
if you have a valid complaint open a canny post with details and reasoning
somber rain
So I don't plan on migrating to 3.0 immediately, did SDK2 also get updated or am I good?
desert stratus
@lone scroll thats how vrchat community cycle works lmao
vocal shard
Lets start a petition to rollback the update
desert stratus
ive personally been waiting for this update for a long time
fossil dagger
like why is my head broken
near ether
If you tell us to change the way we do avatars literally over a year ago, why do you suddenly release the FBT changes with multiple other changes at the same time WITHOUT announcing it
desert stratus
rollback is cringe and theyre not gonna do it lol. theyre gonna patch it like tomorrow
near ether
By that I mean prior to the update, nothing was said about the FBT changes literally coming with Avatar 3.0
full escarp
All most Oculus users want is the old controls back.
desert stratus
@near ether this was regularly mentione dover and over in the avatar 3.0 and open beta builds
carmine nebula
If it ain't broke dont fix it
dusty cobalt
I would hate this update a little less if we had a menu to map buttons
glacial phoenix
My wedding is ruined....
desert stratus
like pretty prominently that this update was going to have both avatar 3.0 changes and fbt changes
near ether
Open beta builds, not public release.
spiral pendant
wait, what happened to controls on oculus?
near ether
More than half of us don't even pay attention to the beta builds.
desert stratus
....what does that matter?
vocal shard
@carmine nebula It's hella broken
full escarp
got messed up Indigo.
desert stratus
also the fbt fixes go way back
stoic locust
Rollback
rocky blaze
so ovr advanced settings is useless for this @desert stratus
agile ledge
i just dont like the jump button and the menu being on both hands also quest doesnt have the disable mic button option
carmine nebula
What gave it away pants, lol
spiral pendant
as a quest user, this is big sad
rocky blaze
i cant change vrchat binds
glacial phoenix
Nobody cares about the Questies
spiral pendant
well I use link
full escarp
Rift
desert stratus
@rocky blaze you 100^ can tho
spiral pendant
so I'm using rift, minus 8 hertz essentially
desert stratus
i havent used it in a long time so i cant give an immediate tutorial rn on how to change binds but 100% bet there is dozens of tutorials on how to
rocky blaze
ech
desert stratus
or literally you can go around and asking vrc users and youll very quickly find someone who knows hgow lol
rotund axle
What a cop out @desert stratus
desert stratus
the actual binding, if i remember correctly
carmine nebula
I'm pretty sure recent models of mine dont use the fullbody fix but did have neck fix. The issue is putting in work for an update that screws over consumers for investing for fullbody
fossil dagger
RON WTF
carmine nebula
If that
desert stratus
is in the same steamvr settings in vr after you install oVRAS
agile ledge
@rocky blaze are you on pc or quest
fossil dagger
is this update
vocal shard
Ron sexually abused me
junior hill
the new update adding the menu kinda sucks in vr
rotund axle
Right when I was getting Full body @carmine nebula 
desert stratus
you go in there and theres an entire section on bindings, you want to add a new one and find "vrchat"
ruby needle
The thing is, it's broken because of a dirty "fix" that abused some mechanics that now changed @carmine nebula
snow nimbus
When haves no jump
near ether
I'm genuinely more pissed off with the way all of this is being handled right now. A lot of people are clearly complaining about different issues.
Im personally mad at the fact that my own personal avatars along with public avatars I've been using are completely broken with this new update. Mostly inverted legs while crouching.
With the issue Oculus users are having with their controls forcibly rebinded I completely understand how you feel since it happened last year too with a different update that caused issues with values once they introduced the changes for Index controllers.
stoic locust
Rollback or optional!
desert stratus
then theres a whole ass ui where you cna change it. then you can save it and itll cary over to the game
finite plaza
lol
ruby needle
It's not like it's unfixxable.
spiral pendant
exactly what are the oculus binds now though
carmine nebula
It's not even that bad of a fix. It helped me when I'm laying down so I'm not IN MY MODEL
spiral pendant
what happened
rocky blaze
if i could have a discord call with a dev i would put my controller bind suggestion, it would be a lot better for oculus users
foggy ridge
Oof, havent checked out this update and I hear people screaming lol
rocky blaze
@agile ledge cv1 rift
spiral pendant
haven't tried out vrchat in a week or two
vocal shard
Do you even make models @lunar knoll
covert chasm
lol
carmine nebula
They're not broken avatars.... lots of work were put into them that are unusable for fbt
rocky swift
tupper fix it
snow nimbus
Jump is gone
young valley
Havent been on vrc on in weeks and Im already disappointed-
crisp anvil
It’s actually not as bad as people make it out to be. The update has issues yes but mostly it’s very good
ruby needle
@carmine nebula See, i totally understand your point and what they are fore.
But what's happening is, you're blaming the dev's for having made changes that broke a dirty, unsuppored and non standart way of a workaround.
It's... really eh.
agile ledge
@rocky blaze get steam OVR advanced settings it will alow you to change keybinds
covert chasm
bote makes a lot of models, so that's a little odd to see, is all
somber rain
Hooray my avatars legs once again are screwed up with this update
still bane
whats wrong with my characters legs
fossil dagger
wtf is this update why is it breaking my avatar when i use playspace
vocal shard
Tupper I didn't ask you
If you prefer the old calibration method for some reason, launch VRChat with the --legacy-fbt-calibrate launch option.
rocky blaze
@agile ledge i do but its confusing
pseudo flume
you have to press a to jump now instead of the joystick...
...When will the devs just finally add a button configuration so we don't have to get used to these new controls?
vocal shard
@lunar knoll show me your amazing avatars
rocky swift
--legacy-fbt-calibrate launch option is a fake and doesn't do the old calibration
ruby needle
It's more like 99% are not complaining. 
polar bone
I'm not complaining
weak swan
Dude - I-
vocal shard
ok then
carmine nebula
Investing a lot to use something in a new update that makes the models unuseable is what seems eh @ruby needle
spiral pendant
oh bruh that's not that bad
grand zealot
"Improved eyelook behavior for all avatars" what
spiral pendant
a button instead of joystick is what y'all are mad about?
agile ledge
@rocky blaze press the menu button on the left controller when on steamvr is on the bottom left ovr settings
lone scroll
as someone whocried like a bitch about the new fbt, trust me, its great, your avatar just sucks. i changed my viewpoint a little and its so good now
weak swan
Vrchat was fine how it was why change the entire menu-
lone scroll
stop making shit about fake issues
spiral pendant
I mean I prefer joystick myself but I thought it was like the whole controller was fubar
glacial phoenix
Ok, since I can’t do a petition 🤦♂️, message me and I’ll make a server to do this for, please tell everyone about this.
stoic locust
Revert Or Optional
ruby needle
@carmine nebula Is holding back general improvements to keep dirty fixes functional really a argument overt changing things to eventually make the fixes unnessesary?
foggy ridge
@lunar knoll make me one
velvet frigate
hey can someone help me out?
ruby needle
It's like, always a 2 sided sword
carmine nebula
All of my models were working just fine. Were properly rigged, set up correctly, etc. Quit jumping to. Conclusions
rocky swift
why include --legacy-fbt-calibrate when it doesn't actually do the legacy fbt calibrate?
daring summit
My models all broke as well
weak swan
rollback
peak lava
torn condor
rollback
velvet frigate
so, with the new update, you press the left stick to open that new menu. but thats how i could jump. how do i jump now?
rocky swift
it looks like it does legacy calibrate but it doesn't
carmine nebula
I need a drink. Anybody want some?
covert chasm
Yes please 🙂
foggy ridge
I'm drinking right now
raw plaza
help
rotund axle
@covert chasm No
vocal shard
Tupper go on your ted talks in the old hub lmao
raw plaza
the radial menu doesnt work, i can't select anything or make it go away after accidentally turning off flick thing, i cant even turn it back on. trigger doesnt do anything
bronze topaz
I really thought you guys were going to release Avatars 3.0 with the new UI @covert chasm
carmine nebula
You can have a glass of water tupper. You're dehydrated
somber rain
In terms of updating my SDK2 project, can I just import the new SDK2 package?
regal talon
just as i thought
foggy ridge
Lol
old heron
Tupper, change back to the old full body calibration. This crap is annoying
rocky swift
i bet it works for some avatars but it literally doesn't work like the calibration used to
vocal shard
I remember back when you @ the VRchat team you would get insta banned.
regal talon
gonna wait the rollback, have a good day!!
rocky swift
if legacy calibration actually worked i'd have no problem setting my viewball right
covert chasm
@old heron Please read the documentation. You can swap back to the previous calibration method.
torn condor
when i try to convert my avatar to v3 its like 1. What is a stage parameter? 2. why is my model crosseyed? 3. where are the damn overides?!? im just angry about having to relearn the SDK to get the new features
stoic locust
Just rollback
torn condor
rollback
carmine nebula
"Git gud" what is this? 2014?
untold holly
still no ptt? smh
meager solstice
@torn condor simple... don’t use avatar 3.0
somber rain
Guess I'll just do some blender stuff while I wait to see what happens with all of this. My model needs some work anyways
wet meadow
I do wish my binding wasnt changed I cant jump and turn easily now.
rocky swift
works for you, doesn't work like it used to
torn condor
yeah but i want the new features though
dusty cobalt
@covert chasm #announcements Why not map the new menu to the B button? There's nothing mapped to it.
silver stirrup
new update good
narrow pagoda
The change in calibration with Oculus actually upsets me
carmine nebula
Look I said it once. I'll say it again. As long as I dont have to use 3.0 and the issues dont intervene. The problems wont be of an issue 👏
rocky swift
why call it "legacy" when it's just "different new"
frank ice
add an option to use the old jump button and this is a perfect update
silver stirrup
new update not good?
:(
vocal shard
@wet meadow I hadn't even thought about that. Lame
meager solstice
@torn condor imagine having a while to learn 3.0 stuff then choosing not to.... been available in public beta for a bit now
narrow pagoda
Why was there a need to change the buttons at all? It could've still worked the same
limpid cypress
@tupper is there a way for us oculus users to revert to old controls?
gloomy crystal
Okay, my problem with this is that there isn't any option to use the old system if you want to, I want to use the old system, it's fine that there's people out there that want to use this, but please let it be optional.
floral kettle
please for the love of everything
foggy ridge
@lyuda apparently from what I am gathering, if your avatar is bad, the update sucks
wet meadow
Yeah now I have to jump then turn and that hurts my fingers
foggy ridge
But idk anything, i don't have a headset and comp is down lol
narrow pagoda
Why was there even a need to change the controls in the first place?
grand zealot
new update bad
silver stirrup
how did that not ping me
carmine nebula
Avatar commissioners I worked with knew exactly what they were doing. The models ain't bad my guy. PogChamp
limpid cypress
Everyone I'm talking to in vrchat who's on a vr set hates the new updates and its even worst for us oculus users. Because we cant jump with analog press now.
silver stirrup
well thats is sucks a lot
torn condor
just dont try to fix something that aint broken
rich bridge
i found a problem
floral kettle
oculus users got so fucked
vocal shard
We found many problems @rich bridge
narrow pagoda
I am actually happy with the new avatar 3.0 system, I just hate they changed our buttons
wet sand
Anyone else's favorites broken? I cant unfavorite nor favorite
cobalt mulch
look I just want to be able to toggle my gestures with a push of button.
ffs.. I don't care what they do with this update, just don't mess up our control schemes.
trim oracle
height is way off now with the new calibration method and my playspace is zerod to the floor
modern mantle
Why the fuck does it whip your cranium around like you've got tourrettes
rich bridge
seems if you sit and use an emote... you get frozen
vast tulip
@carmine nebula if your commissioner was using FBT hacks, which have been warned against and told not to do for a year, they didn't know what they were doing
grand zealot
saw that pantz, lmao
carmine nebula
They literally werent @vast tulip
foggy ridge
Awww i was trying to copy him
vocal shard
any good tutorials for 3.0 avatars yet or is it too early?
modern mantle
Rollbaaaaack
young crag
Just make our normal menu stay open while we move. BAM! it does EVERYTHING this little new menu does!
near ether
I'm gonna say give it a few more days, there's going to be a ton more avatar creators & commissioners complaining about these changes to FBT too.
You guys that are constantly bragging about how your avatars are complete fine have to realise and be reasonable, YOUR avatars might be fine but the majority of ours are not which is exactly why there's complaints about it.
Yes we applied our rigging hacks that we used because it made our avatars work so much better for everyone else and there was absolutely no issues with it up until now which forcefully changed all of that, but that doesn't justify you constantly bombarding us with "Just fix your avatar" "Just update your avatar." Cut us some slack since a lot of us have also worked just as hard on those avatars as everyone else for our own comfort as well as for others that publicly use our models in full body. All I ask is for you to just stop being ignorant and be considerate to us too.
I've literally not heard about any new FBT changes coming until this update and I'm sure many others haven't either. Considering they're also avatars I've had for the last 2 years, half of those avatars I can't even retrieve or edit anymore because of how outdated the SDKs I used are but with the 2018 update it fixed the majority of the problems I previously had so it was working far better until today - which ruined everything and made it much worse than it was.
carmine nebula
I dont know how many times I have to repeat myself
cold talon
Quick question, which thumbstick is used for turning and which is movment?
As in L/R
calm kettle
wtf
stoic compass
how do i revert to normal tracker calibration?
modern mantle
For the love of god roll it back
cold talon
I'll roll you back
vocal shard
@near ether Make sure you save what you wrote for later in case you need to copy paste it a lot, we all appreciate what avatar devs do 🙂
vast tulip
you say they knew what they are doing, but it sounds like they didn't
calm kettle
fix this shit
carmine nebula
@vast tulip they do the standard full body setup anyone else has to do in unity
narrow pagoda
How do we convert back to the old Oculus controls because I refuse to play with these dumb new ones
modern mantle
^^^
spiral pendant
isn't there a way to rebind?
torn condor
roll back
lime burrow
the rebinds stuff is shit
foggy ridge
Roll forward
vocal shard
$300 down the drain for fbt
If only the VRchat team was more involved in their community 
past night
rollbackkkkk
ruby needle
i dont think you can rebid unless using steam vr and a addon i think
lime burrow
600 down the drain for fbt
full escarp
Literally just want the look and movement controls to be separate again.
past night
yall fucked fullbody, rollback
torn condor
i love how they turned up the slow mode just so that we couldnt speak as much 😻
spiral pendant
hmmm
opaque hawk
I can't believe people don't absolutely despise the old control scheme.
narrow pagoda
Seriously I am pleased with the new update, but why touch the damn controls?
pastel grove
pls rollback
past night
I want my emotes back where they where wtf
vocal shard
The old control scheme was simple and fine, making these huge updates is just too much man lmao
chrome drum
Does anyone know how you jump in VRC now?
foggy ridge
@pluto I dont even have a vr
stoic locust
pls rollback
carmine nebula
I feel really bad for communities that were a big part in vrchat. Feels like they're about to get thanos snapped because of what's happening to 80% of most virtual users.
F
spiral pendant
I'm down to see the awesome new avatars people will make, and I'm actually not that mad about the controls, but why touch them in the first place?
full escarp
apparently its A. You need two thumbs to use the new controls in vr.
past night
Yall really gotta talk to the community and not just be making complete control scheme changes randomly
vocal shard
permanent slowmode in public lobby chat to prevent me from speaking. seriously now?
rocky swift
i just wish there was actually a way to force legacy calibration and not this fake shit that doesn't work
trim oracle
If you prefer the old calibration method for FBT, launch VRChat with the --legacy-fbt-calibrate launch option
spiral pendant
zoinks
vocal shard
That still is scuffed
carmine nebula
That... doesnt... work @trim oracle
glacial phoenix
Hey message me for the petition
trim oracle
hey its just what they said in their own documentation
dawn gate
Too bad I won't ever make use of the changes, since I'm subpar at avatars
rocky swift
@trim oracle --legacy-fbt-calibrate doesn't do it like it used to
somber rain
It only makes sense that something like this update would happen right as I was getting back into VRC. I hope things settle soon. I was having a lot of fun working on my first fully custom avatar
past night
Dev clowns out here
dusty cobalt
omg they did
vocal shard
Why are my animations set to male?
trim oracle
i just miss index gesture toggle being 1 click
spiral pendant
how does one spam with slowmode
dawn mortar
🤡
glacial phoenix
I have started a server for a petition, if you want to join and stop this update and get that well deserved rollback, HMU
past night
That looks like a vrc dev to me
foggy ridge
What the heck? I was just told no spamming for laughing
torn condor
it un needed. the avatars didnt need to be changed. the controls didnt need to be changed. the tracking didnt need to be changed
full escarp
We just want the controls for vr back like jfc.
wet sand
Like they will listen to a petition
spiral pendant
they will never reach the truth
vocal shard
lmao they removed reactions now? its almost like theyre silencing everyone so they dont look bad
plain bluff
^^
vocal shard
What's with all these keyboard warriors trying to defend this update dude.. Literally the update seems cool and all but so many damn bugs and new things players have to adapt to.
foggy ridge
🤡
vocal shard
Does anyone know how to toggle gestures in the new update? I heard rumors that the feature wasn't index exclusive anymore
dusty cobalt
Well, damn. What a shit-show this turned out to be
rough flax
go play something else noobs
trim oracle
final Ik has been messed up as well. spider rig avatars dont step correctly
carmine nebula
@ruby needle why does that sound so passive aggressive. Lol
somber rain
Avatars 3.0 seemed great, it's a shame the update is going this rocky
torn condor
becuse they cant take critisism 🤡
echo sigil
Alrighty so, now what do I make my play space button now that they've mapped all of these useless buttons to my rift controller
daring summit
Why do all my avatars have giraffe necks now 😭 why you do me like this vrc?
past night
@ruby needle This is why people are literally switching to other games
spiral pendant
nah Udon is cool, this is a bad misstep not a game-killing catastrophe
full escarp
RIP Rift and Quest users.
stoic locust
They removed reactions!
somber rain
Whats going on for Rift/Quest users?
torn condor
we know
echo sigil
Legit my controller was already fully mapped. Now I need to change everything
spiral pendant
Rift and Quest users' jump button is now A instead of joystick press
sullen totem
Rebind it in SteamVR
thin marsh
i think fbt is fine, the calibration is a little wonky but it fixed a lot of issues with fbt
full escarp
Its all on the same hand.
vocal shard
carmine nebula
Up down up down left right left right B A for everything to be fixed
echo sigil
They changed fbt?
past night
Yes, it is literally aids
thorn forum
i already miss the old calibration method
vocal shard
why did reactions get removed too?
spiral pendant
why silence mention of competitors when you can learn from them?
vocal shard
Yo @carmine nebula we gotta put in some GTA cheat codes now for vrchat, thats sick
echo sigil
Oh god. Legit just bought it last month. Ready to see them take my $700 and make it pointless
past night
Reactions and slow mode, is because Devs can't even own up to their own failures
wet sand
Devs learning? you clearly dont know these ones
grand zealot
because people were agreeing with others in regards to this update being bad, and stuff about moving to chillout vr; so reactions got disabled lmfao
carmine nebula
When you die in vrchat you respawn in the hospital
ruby needle
Mentioning competitors is not getting you yeeted / removed per say.
The contex is what matters tho.
past night
Yoooooooooooo
spiral pendant
What is chilloutvr exactly
foggy ridge
Ok, so chill out vr then?
echo sigil
I dont want to, but most of my friends have mentioned they might
torn condor
because they cant take criticism and they implement features that no one asks for. like another dev i know . . .
vocal shard
FPaul the only thing that matters is me and you in the back of the void club tonight @ruby needle
cold talon
To enable the super secret good FBT calibration you just have to do this code with the controller:
Up up down down left right left right A B start
novel epoch
hi @loud zinc
carmine nebula
@vocal shard you and Paul playing rock paper scissors?
rough flax
vocal shard
yes
simple citrus
@spiral pendant its vrc but the devs lisen to there players wishes
trim oracle
do other vr social games have mutlicore and no memory leak?
carmine nebula
I'm just mentally broken. Just gotta go through the five stages of grief
hollow egret
Is vrc broken rn
full escarp
Very
spiral pendant
well I need more info than reddit-level absolutism
grand zealot
chillout vr runs far better than vrc afaik @trim oracle
vocal shard
ChilloutVR is a more optimized VRchat basically.
rough flax
@ruby needle fpauuuuullll
dusty cobalt
Vrc was always broken. Now they've made it worse, it seems
rocky swift
vrchat bad for breaking old avatars
chilloutvr doesn't even have old avatars
wet sand
Does chilloutvr have a set release date?
proper widget
@carmine nebula dont forget to save before the final boss bro
echo sigil
The memory leak with vrc is ridiculous. Legit 3 hours in I'm at 20% res and my game is running 25fps
somber rain
Mid 2020
gritty turret
say i if u want a revert
carmine nebula
@proper widget good idea. Tupper final boss?
vocal shard
@rocky swift You can upload models just like VRchat lmao
gentle wing
vocal shard
this update sucks ass
carmine nebula
When the say: can 2020 get any worse? Probably a good idea to stop asking that question lowkey
vocal shard
And exploits are found almost everytime they patch them
proper widget
@carmine nebula nah that's a mini boss at stage 3
rocky swift
@vocal shard just saying the problem is breaking legacy so switching services wouldn't actually solve anything
livid knot
Why are people malding? Game seems fine to me
full escarp
They broke vr and other avatars essentially.
echo sigil
Pretty much. I cant even get mad at client users anymore. I cant really blame them
ruby needle
@livid knot
Change, even if for the better, is a change and a lot of people have issues with adapting to new things.
livid knot
But how did they break it?
gentle wing
jovial smelt
ive never spoken in this server before
trim oracle
years of development and millions in grants from companies? still no multicore processing.
full escarp
Made a whole bunch of unnecessary changes.
rain isle
my shit seems to work ok, i use the old calibration method command line thing though
i like how viewball follows you better when sitting/laying down now
somber rain
I spent days getting my avatar's legs to work right and now they're wonky again which is lame
rocky swift
many avatars have fucked viewball if using full body tracking
spiral pendant
The worst decision I've seen the devs make is the favorite limit. Limiting your favorites doesn't make people talk and hangout in avatar worlds, it just means everyone will use the same few avatars until they see a new one they like
ruby needle
@trim oracle Except that you are totally wrong
gritty turret
REVERTTTTT
jovial smelt
but must i say this update has annoyed me
dusty cobalt
@livid knot Because the update fucked up everything for oculus users, deleting avatars and favorite worlds and messed up the FBT calibration
candid acorn
so what does flick do exactly?
gentle wing
spiral pendant
apart from that tho they seem fine, vrchat is some of the most fun I've had in vr
past night
@ruby needle Really now?
full escarp
Genuinely cannot enjoy this game as it is in VR anymore.
echo sigil
It isn't for the better fpaul. This is exactly why this game is in the state it's in. You dont see this backlash as people want it to stay the same and be enjoyable. You see it as people being angry. You are wrong.
jovial smelt
Im stuck with windows mr and this afk thing has me screaming
gentle wing
proper widget
i like this guy vibing with snowflakes and shit
echo sigil
^
gentle wing
somber rain
I would like to see better handling of the criticism than only replying to the people who enjoy the update and being snarky about people with complaints by claiming they're just resistant to change. A little cheeky imo
pastel grove
spiral pendant
so you mean to tell me VRChat is the Metroid to ChilloutVR's Super Metroid?
proper widget
ay can i be in the screenshot i'll smile
ruby needle
@winged adder
carmine nebula
I'm gay
vocal shard
i hope when i get vr it will be gone
i have old models that ive reworked and im proud of how they look and operate and this update busted them to hell, cmon man..
unborn tinsel
I enjoy having my friends rage quit because this update had them stuck and unable to move because of the menu
frail zephyr
mmmm tasty chaos
spiral pendant
Link gang where you at
proper widget
bro get an rtx card 😎
ruby needle
Are you sure i didn't just tell you the cpu is crap and will have bad performance? 😄
vocal shard
so basically everyone is saying, new update bad because im too slow to learn new things
dusty cobalt
Intel i7 9700k, RTX 2070, 8GB. Still crashes every five minutes
proper widget
@winged adder hell yeah bro im proud of you
full escarp
Just, why change things that didn't need to be changed?
torn condor
if you cared about the success of this game, you would listen to your community. you have a canny page for a reason. you have a DISCORD for a reason. trying to silence others i only going to hurt the game in the long run. people are modding in what you should have added a long time ago and you are only just refusing your community of what once was a good game. stop adding features no one asks for. fix the damn code of the game so it doesnt run like ass and listen to the two things that you set up to interact to and LISTEN to your community. thanks.
spiral pendant
well @vocal shard that's not fair, this is a pretty old game, people shouldn't have to be forced to learn totally new controls different from the ones they've been using for years, especially for no reason
carmine nebula
My amd ryzen 5th gen 3700 1080 16gb ddr4 ram works fine in vrchat loves to eat my ram for dinner
river pagoda
Anybody else having problems where once they move their avatars neck just fuckin snaps?
vocal shard
theres tons of reasons why this update happened, what do you mean @spiral pendant
rough flax
@dusty cobalt >8gb ram
There's your problem.
dusty cobalt
@winged adder I have 16gigs too
spiral pendant
@vocal shard changing the controls I mean. There is no real reason to do it
proper widget
ay vrchat remastered when?
wet sand
@torn condor wasting time telling them that my dude
stone current
put jump back on the correct button
echo sigil
Legit no one asked for new calibration and new controls
dusty cobalt
@rough flax My apologies. 8GB VRAM
torn condor
was i asking you ?
normal prawn
the update is actually really cool; why are people complaining?
gentle wing
🔵
stone current
i made a canny post about rebinding to the normal controls
full escarp
VR controls were messed up.
carmine nebula
Cause it breaky breaky@normal prawn
spiral pendant
because of problems with the update. Apart from bugs, they unreasonably changed the controls @normal prawn
fresh ibex
why cant i launch my darn game
proper widget
i haven't tried full body yet with the new update wish me luck boys
torn condor
YIKES
carmine nebula
Oof
stone current
nobody voting on my canny post
gentle wing
🔵
spiral pendant
zoinks dude
weak swan
imagine, i ss it : ) nice try deleting it
vocal shard
lmaoo
hollow ingot
🙏 @ bmo
vocal shard
bro did someone ss that comment?
normal prawn
'unreasonably' changed the controls? controls change aren't a huge deal; gamers go thru contol changes all the time.
as a desktop user, I understand the breaky breaky for fullbody and oculus/etc. is problematic
grand zealot
I did
weak swan
the insult wasnt needed but like -
strange wagon
"look down at your feet" i can't actually see them cause like they said the head of the avatar stays attached to the hmd 👀
wet sand
Lets hope chillout devs actually listen to thier community
ruby needle
The thing with FBT "breaking" sadly is that a previously problemmatic behaviour, for which there was a dirfty workaround, has been "fixed"
However, in return this ofc breaks avatars that used the dirty workaround and will need to have that removed to be "normal" again.
gentle wing
💦
strange wagon
i am pleasantly suprised though because calibration works better than before despite you not being able to look at your feet during calibration
carmine nebula
So what are the chances if this "dirty workaround" isnt a thing for recent avatars. And they're still spazzing out
spiral pendant
but @normal prawn , people change their controls based on preference. VRChat changed them because...reasons? That's dumb, especially for a long running game like this. And it matters a lot more when you're actually the one affected.
proper widget
why the kr dude cooming
dusty cobalt
At least bind the menu to the B button. It's not used for anything atm
honest flume
My question is, are we being forced into the 3.0 format or can we still setup and upload avatars in the same way we have?
vapid cypress
Ugh. This new fbt calibration is the worst.
dusty cobalt
@winged adder Ahh, okay
ruby needle
@grand zealot except that you that is not happening as long as you keep civil
If you spam or do really unreasonable things then sure you'lle be booted
grand zealot
as far as I know people were being civil until they were banned
vocal shard
i was kicked and i never spammed
playspace grab is a 3rd party tool outside of vrchat, how can you get mad over something they dont support
normal prawn
but @normal prawn , people change their controls based on preference. VRChat changed them because...reasons? That's dumb, especially for a long running game like this. And it matters a lot more when you're actually the one affected.
@spiral pendant it's not really 'dumb'. once you get used to it, it may be easier. maybe that's just me as a desktop user, but control changes are NOT a big deal. unless you only ever play VRchat and therefore don't have to worry about different controls
tl;dr complaining about control changes is the stupidest thing I've ever heard
gentle wing
ruby needle
I dunno about you @vocal shard , so can't comment on your "case"
vocal shard
how can you spam on a 30 second slowmode? lol
gentle wing
proper widget
grand zealot
ruby needle
But Karma for example was kicked once for repeating a copy pasta multiple times (them self) but are still here and can complain without beeing booted as long as it's reasonable.
vapid cypress
Is there a way to go back to the old calibration?
rotund axle
I only use the right hand for Playspace mover and left on for reset, made a quick shitty edit that might help
ruby needle
@vapid cypress yes!
gentle wing
💦
proper widget
💦
spiral pendant
aight, I'm about to go write with my non-dominant hand because control changes don't matter. Why? Uh, I don't know, but hey, now I can't turn and jump at the same time, isn't that crazy?
vocal shard
@winged adder its still something they dont make or use officially in their client
vapid cypress
Oh! Please enlighten me!! Thx in advance!
carmine nebula
Some are complaining but some are giving constructive criticism to aid to the idea that some of what was pushed might of been a, "this ain't it chief"
hollow egret
Indeed
fresh ibex
they are doing that
vapid cypress
Thank you! I will try that
gentle wing
normal prawn
yo if the VRchat team sees this I just wanna say while everyone else is complaining, I think this update is really cool and I appreciate u guys 🥺 👉 👈
spiral pendant
This is by no means the end of the world, but an arbitrary and limiting control change for absolutely no reason, on top of being just another problem this update has brought, leaves a bad taste in one's mouth
gentle wing
yo if the VRchat team sees this I just wanna say while everyone else is complaining, I think this update is really cool and I appreciate u guys 🥺 👉 👈
vocal shard
i saw that cvr post got removed
rocky blaze
my issue is the controls thats all
hollow egret
Sorry vrc but you can’t just rage quit when the people are upset with an update. Take the criticism if you want the players.
proper widget
ay i wanna see tupper talking bro where he at
gentle wing
vapid cypress
The calibration is really bad tho. I don’t really have an issue with the other stuff right now
torn condor
@covert chasm
ruby needle
@vapid cypress you can change back to the old system if you really can not adapt to the new one
It's doen with a launch command
gentle wing
💦
vapid cypress
Oh really? So control and launch game?
fiery moon
from a person who has been playing since 2017, the game was more ironed out back then than now. how do you accomplish that. wasnt this meant to be the new best update? i would litterally go back to when fbt was not supported than ever have this shit that doesnt work. DONT FIX SOMETHING THAT ISNT BROKEN
vocal shard
you can launch in the old system?
grand zealot
from a person who has been playing since 2017, the game was more ironed out back then than now. how do you accomplish that. wasnt this meant to be the new best update? i would litterally go back to when fbt was not supported than ever have this shit that doesnt work. DONT FIX SOMETHING THAT ISNT BROKEN
this ^
torn condor
^^^^^^^
spiral pendant
The reason this is so frustrating is because it's a very simple fix, and could have just been ironed out before the update dropped
violet creek
how do i fix it that when i move, i end up doing the gesture set in the direction i pressed down, this didnt happen before. htc vive
stoic halo
damn the index finger tracking is ass now on this
vocal shard
@winged adder you know if you use ovras you can set an offset without playspace grab. youd know this if you went through the settings
gentle wing
🥺 👉 👈
stoic halo
my pointer is straight up where it isnt irl and i hate how its angled.
jovial pulsar
proper widget
how my boys gonna see me doin' gang signs and shit now damn @stoic halo
gentle wing
timid yoke
@covert chasm Your the community manager. See what the community thinks of the game update why don't you be a man and address the issues
ebon sedge
from a person who has been playing since 2017, the game was more ironed out back then than now. how do you accomplish that. wasnt this meant to be the new best update? i would litterally go back to when fbt was not supported than ever have this shit that doesnt work. DONT FIX SOMETHING THAT ISNT BROKEN
^ this is what you need to read devs, Please listen to people that actually have been play for a long time and know what works and doesn't
hidden wedge
^
severe dew
Tupper pulls a reverse uno card
carmine nebula
This feels like YandereDEV all over again. Its ACTUALLY scary
vocal shard
**... that being said, if you're having issues with your height being slightly off, this is because you weren't lying and you ACTUALLY ARE five foot, 11-and-a-half inches tall! ** pretty snarky, but maybe im not REALLY an anime girl with long legs either.
gentle wing
🐵
spiral pendant
I mean, fellas, it's been two hours since the update dropped. I agree it needs fixing bad but it won't be instant
glacial zealot
Give me an option to go back to the old update >:(
hidden wedge
community manager that doesnt listen to the community well. kinda odd
past night
@vocal shard I am 6'2 to use fullbody I have to set myself to 5'6 for almost every avatar
violet creek
does anyone know a fix for htc vive that i dont end up doing gestures after i move
cold talon
I love how so many people are angry at Tupper
glacial zealot
why does my avatar sit when I go into steam vr? Why does it move up and down when I calibrate FBT? Ugh. Reverse this update and get rid of this stupid scroll wheel as well
trim oracle
@past night same 6'2 and gotta set it to 5'8
severe dew
gentle wing
proper widget
its the new afk feature thing bro
past night
WACk
livid knot
@glacial zealot you can disable that
hollow egret
damn really banning people
modern mantle
Well, they never listen to the community anyways, so it's not like they'll rollback
spiral pendant
vote, it's your responsibility to your nation: https://vrchat.canny.io/release-202032/p/bring-back-default-controller-bindings
ivory bluff
can we go back i liked the old bindings better
dry crest
is there a way to change the bindings or turn off some of the features in new update for the oculus touch controllers? I can't do ASL anymore without jumping or muting myself and it's frustrating.
gentle wing
hybrid prism
I'm back lol
spiral pendant
wait, is it actually possible to speak in sign language? I thought you needed really precise digit movements for that
dusty cobalt
So, how was it for you?
gentle wing
dry crest
you can do it with any normal vr controller
molten orbit
atleast the vrc servers will never be overloaded ever again :3c
simple citrus
i just done at this point
ebon sedge
https://gyazo.com/cc91918e71cf3ea4812e7269b045c279 - Guess until we get an update I will be seeing this a lot more, never happened before update. Thx for completely breaking something that soemtimes works
spiral pendant
that's really cool
hollow egret
it’s apperantly bannable to mention CVR but it’s not it the rules about mentioning other games or servers?
wet sand
Yeah the sign language world is really neat
spiral pendant
might try learning it
vocal shard
It says on their page to bring back old calibratione - If you prefer the old calibration method for some reason, launch VRChat with the --legacy-fbt-calibrate launch option.
timid yoke
Me: loggs onto vrchat all avatars fucked
also me: Can someone give me a link to cvr ive given up on vrc
dusty cobalt
@spiral pendant I mean, you could , if the controls weren't broken
carmine nebula
Sounds like a lot of people need a hug
spiral pendant
guess I'll learn it on cvr then, link please
royal wind
Umaru Chan
dusty cobalt
@magic magnet You have to be fucking kidding
vocal shard
So nobody has FBT working for them? Damn
weary roost
never had it working for me anyways
kinect
flint swift
ngl my fbt still works perfectly havent noticed a difference >.>
ruby needle
People absolutely do.
But avatar's that where setup with the old "dirty" fixes cat's had for example need to be changed and have the "fixes" undone
As the problem has been officially tackled, which in return breaks the "fixes"
ivory bluff
Anyone else having trouble with the loading speed for new models/worlds or is it just me?
weak swan
@ruby needle is it bannable to have special characters in ur username :3
ruby needle
No, unless you're trying to use it maliciously.
weak swan
in vrchat- i mean @ruby needle
ruby needle
Yes i ment that.
weak swan
okay- just checking ty. @ruby needle
weary roost
i have a friggin large cylinder for a baseplate, a bench, a skybox, and some music, and my world is somehow 40 mb
carmine nebula
I'm gonna ask rivervr about my recent models he did. I mean I know he didnt do the "dirty way" because I watched his livestream. But once I confirm he didnt and I still see things broken. I'll make progress there at least
gentle wing
dusty cobalt
So now people using Blender can't use the ONE tool that everyone uses to fix their avatars for FBT. Great. It's just the gift that keeps on giving.
vast tulip
special characters shouldn't be allowed to be used anymore anyways @weak swan
weak swan
that's odd it let me- @vast tulip
past night
@vast tulip Why that makes no sense, they are literally usernames
vast tulip
if you can, it should be fine
ashen quail
are numbers special characters
livid knot
I love the fbt update, no more view point going into my neck/chest when i'm not standing
jovial smelt
In the 3 years I've been playing this game
gentle wing
vast tulip
if you can use it, it's on the whitelist, it's not a small whitelist
timid yoke
I like how this whole time @covert chasm hasnt said anything or in fact none of the dev's have just show's what they think of there community. How does it feel to destroy your community Dev's? Grow a pair
cold talon
Wdym they can't use the one tool to fix avatars? @dusty cobalt
jovial smelt
I havent been this shook since the hoppu and knuckles meme
weak swan
he's popped in occasionally @timid yoke
gentle wing
dusty cobalt
@cold talon CAT's blender tools
gentle wing
past night
I mean Mimi is alright tbh, but Paul isn't the best, ain't gonna lie, I wish the devs would speak up and actually talk about how they will respond to the issue the community has
somber rain
Wait this update messed up CATS?
torn condor
hes still not saying anything though
spiral pendant
dang, couldn't copy it before it got deleted
cold talon
What's the problem with cats?
gentle wing
dusty cobalt
@cold talon
People absolutely do.
But avatar's that where setup with the old "dirty" fixes cat's had for example need to be changed and have the "fixes" undone
As the problem has been officially tackled, which in return breaks the "fixes"
@ruby needle Bahka also quote:
timid yoke
@past night your more likely to get hit by a car then the dev's say anything its always been like that
past night
Thats so sad @timid yoke
carmine nebula
Are ya coding son?
torn condor
just leave it alone. it was only being used because you failed to get the FBT to work on launch of the feature
cold talon
Well those fixes were warned about a long time ago, like a long long time ago, everyone said to stop using them @dusty cobalt
gentle wing
dusty cobalt
But, it made things so much easier 😦
lyric escarp
so the vrc devs ban the community for speaking their opinions about the new updates that NO ONE WANTED. way to ruin your player count, vrc streamers, and community in one sitting. you devs didnt listen to what people actually wanted. you're being too much like neos vr.
tidal aspen
the CATs fixes were there because of the old FBT system, the new one doesn't have these issues which is why you don't need to use the fixes at all
in turn though it messed up any avatars that did use the fixes
jovial smelt
Where do we submit negative feedback?
floral kettle
I believe they aren’t responding cause it’s honestly just floods and floods of people complaining- Hopefully they are working on a hot fix instead of bottle feeding the whiny people lol
spiral pendant
dusty cobalt
@tidal aspen Ah, okay. Thanks for clarifying
gentle wing
🍉
ruby needle
@tidal aspen correct, and because of the the old fix now makes it break as it was abusing a very specific "wrong" behaviour
carmine nebula
A fair chunk of it is more on the verge of constructive criticism
tidal aspen
they've warned about this quite a while ago but I'm not sure if they've said anything recently about it
jovial smelt
What is this canny thing ?
floral kettle
And I 100% am not that happy with the update but I’ll wait for proper tutorials to come out and the current bugs to be fixed before I completely bitch about it- But I do want my oculus bindings back. Play space is such a pain now.
cold talon
Nothing recent, but they did say to expect them to break at any moment, soo there is that
dusty cobalt
I've never heard anything about, though i guess it was a long long time ago
gentle wing
torn condor
correct, and because of the the old fix now makes it break as it was abusing a very specific "wrong" behaviour
@ruby needle what do you mean wrong ?
jovial kestrel
@jovial smelt The canny is where you post feedback and suggestions, or report issues.
quiet prawn
Old hackey workarounds that are now outdated
torn condor
ahh right
somber rain
Yeah I was gonna say I've never heard anyone tell me not to use the CATS fixes. in fact almost every tutorial I found instructed me to as "just part of the VRchat process"
narrow pagoda
Mhm
granite cipher
May I ask about a new button to quickly toggle gestures for index?
jovial kestrel
If you have to somehow do a "hacky workaround" to have something function in VRChat, you should always have the knowledge in your mind that a future update can and probably will break your fix.
ruby needle
@torn condor many people used CATS full body fix to work around some issues the ik had. This fix did some specific bone arrangment's / trickery to archive the result.
Now that it has actually been fixed on vrchats's end, the strange bone settup causes issues and users will need to make their avatar "normal" agan
gentle wing
🔵
ruby needle
@jovial kestrel Correct
quiet prawn
I mean the old cats fix has been outdated for at least a year and a half now
lyric escarp
i like how the mods are trying to fix this too. yall shouldve listen to the community and not some fucking beta testers saying "ah yes this is great". what a fucking joke.
torn condor
aah right i understand now
cold talon
Like adding another bone and inverting the hip upside down, that should not be done, but back than it worked better for fbt
jovial kestrel
@granite cipher Open the new menu by pressing in the stick on your controller, and from there you can find the option to turn gesturing on/off.
trim oracle
it was more about making sure the hip root was above the leg root
vocal shard
"Vrchat is broken I need to use workarounds to get things to work" "vrchat fixed it, not i gotta undo all my workarounds, wtf" basically what I'm seeing
lyric escarp
you're gonna see your game go downhill FAST and no one is gonna play anymore. good luck getting your community back
tidal aspen
yeah that's pretty much it
ruby needle
There have been many fixes trough the time, like that one where it literraly shrinks a bone to (nearly) 0
and stuff like that can cause issues when properly improved on the games end
granite cipher
@jovial kestrel Any simpler way? Pressing and moving the stick seems much clunkier than the button press I usually spam
vocal shard
vrchat gets slammed for having issues and slammed when they actually fix things for old and new players....
lyric escarp
@ruby needle quit trying to make up for the shit hole you helped create. it's not helping
gentle wing
💦
jovial kestrel
You can most likely re-bind the control from pressing the stick, however you will still have to use that menu. That's a universal function now.
lament siren
why did they change the keybinds?
timid yoke
@vocal shard Its not that vrchat was broken it's just vrchat has so many restrictions on what you can and cant do so you have to do work around's so you can get a avatar to work/look good
tidal aspen
I mean it's understandable why people would be upset, but at the same time for any game that has UGC shit can and will break with updates
river pagoda
Aight am i the only one where on some avatars i'll move and their neck will just fuckin snap
rotund axle
"Improvements to Full body tracking" 🤣
cold talon
To make space for the new menus @lament siren
ruby needle
@lyric escarp Im not a dev, i didnt make anything.
And there is no making up, this is why there is issues with some avatars, and these avatars will need to be fixed.
fresh ibex
im on oculus and vrchat crashes everytime i try to start it up and get into initializing
carmine nebula
@ruby needle that kind of stuff helps when your camera isnt inside your model for fbt when you lay down fox example
slate summit
i hate this update..
granite cipher
Ughhhhh, I do not want to go into a menu constantly to close my eyes :I
vocal shard
in the LONG run vrchat makes things to fix for the future. people just generally dont like change even if its better in the long run
carmine nebula
Of course that's just the tip of the iceburg
jovial kestrel
I guarantee you that you will get used to it, but there will be growing pains.
cold talon
You, don't have to do that tho 🤔 @granite cipher
Like we still have eye tracking you know
timid yoke
@ruby needle Ok lets just start fixing my avatars oh wait i cant fix them all i dont have the files anymore what then?
granite cipher
one button changed to three plus a stick movement
torn condor
yeah i feel like that harder
sudden gull
So right now to get full body to work you have to undo the full body fix in cats?
pastel prism
it was the number one change request in the beta canny??
I thought they would have fixed that
referring to index gesture toggle
granite cipher
Index has no eye tracking, plus I am refering to all emotes
cold talon
Yes, you were supposed to remove it a long time ago too @sudden gull
Wym index has no eye tracking?
It should not be headset dependent
ruby needle
@timid yoke
If you use a workaround for a problem, you always have to know that it has very high breaking potential with future changes.
This is not a issue with a up to standart unity humanoid rig, and not thus nothign vrchat "broke" but instead fixed.
vocal shard
where is the documentation on AVatar 3.0?
sudden gull
Ok cool, easy fix, but did they mess with how the facial expressions work like using hand gestures
steep fulcrum
MY FULL BODY WONT WORK bruh im actualy sad now thre calasbration is off
lament siren
i used the cats model fix for all of my avatars (idk if its the fullbody fix?) does this mean they'll be broken?
cold talon
Yep
timid yoke
@ruby needle VRchat has been broken for years
ruby needle
AV3 can do a lot of thing's, i think you can use the menues but also have normal gestures @sudden gull
jovial kestrel
You can do anything you did with 2.0s, and much more. It is a bit of a read though.
ruby needle
@lament siren potentially, if using FBT (dunno if without)
sudden gull
Okay cool as long as I can fix my full body and use my gestures to make m face move idc
cold talon
Neck fix and fbt fix will Bork them
lament siren
i'm not using FBT
stone current
avatars 3.0 has syncing
candid acorn
not a fan of the new idle hand default animation
ruby needle
@lament siren sadly the only way to find out is to try
cold talon
Ah, if you don't use fbt, than probably fine, have not tested so can't be sure
stone current
syncing and also potentially saving, so you can make avatars that are completely customizable with a menu on ur hand and store that customization (in the future)
jovial kestrel
You can change that!
carmine nebula
I can understand that fbt fix being an issue. A neck fix shouldnt really have to compromise anything for it to be an issue to avatars, to the rig, etc
granite cipher
There must be a simpler way to toggle gesture xF
stone current
hopefully theyfixed the FBT issue i had bc my avatars would have their hips thrust forward after calibrating
timid yoke
Can someone DM me instructions on how to rip avatars i need to rip half of my avatar's so i can fix them
vocal shard
My avatar is stuck in T pose when i calibrate FBT
jovial kestrel
If you're going to use FBT, unfortunately there's a bit more to it than just plug and play. Proportions, rotations and measurements matter more than you may think for an optimal experience. There's a very thorough and helpful video on them if you're interested.
stone current
no gesture overrides no longer exist, you have to make your own controller or copy the existing templates
that is if u want to use the benefits of avatar3.0, else use the sdk2 and don't get access to all the cool stuff
somber rain
I'm definitely gonna wait until there are some good in depth video documentations and tutorials for 3.0
topaz sable
How do you turn on the legacy fbt calibrate launch option?
glacial phoenix
I hope they plan to fix all of this
cold talon
Parameters parameters parameters, all day long
unborn tinsel
Change is good and all but when something like the menu popping and preventing my movement even when i didn't press the button, well it's like that one fly who wont stoo buzzing around you.
cold talon
Also, for the new avatar system, MOON has some tutorials covering how the system works
There are 2 other guys but can't remember their names
vocal shard
I just bought my index and this update makes me have to relearn stuff. lol Oh well, it might be worth.
granite cipher
If I could custom bind gesture toggle myself, I'd be happy
gentle wing
graceful raft
my vrchat just crashes after the update :-D
granite cipher
It is bound to gesture toggle
muted lily
so testing some models the fbt fix and neck fix still works better than not fixing it
granite cipher
it opens the radial instead
carmine nebula
@muted lily 👀
west cedar
thanks for making the vrchat more exceptable and i love how smooth it is for desktop users like me and other
normal prawn
facts ^^
muted lily
lel update works finnnnnnnne
love the new fbt walking animation
granite cipher
fbt is much better so far
normal prawn
I think the trolls and people who chan't handle change finally ran out of fuel
topaz sable
Could someone please explain how to use the legacy fbt calibration? (idk if this is the right channel for asking or not)
near gust
just got home from work and saw an update on my computer. Immediatly went here to see the feedback
rain isle
patch notes say how to enable it iirc
topaz sable
Not really lol unless im just dumb
dense slate
im not a fan of how seated play works now
lament siren
how does seated play work now?
muted lily
@topaz sable Right click the steam page for VRChat and go to properties
thick tulip
when you stand up it auto switches to standing play. it doesnt work both ways.
dense slate
seated play is now based on the position of your headset when you start vrchat. so if you started standing up and want to sit down after a wile it wont do anything.
lament siren
ahh that's odd
vocal shard
sooo you gotta restart the game to fix it now? wtf
dense slate
yes
vocal shard
thats... awful
dense slate
with my testing anyway
spiral pendant
hey all, if you want to join the chilloutVR discord and get a key to try out the game in alpha, you can find the discord invite on their reddit, no need to be banned for posting an invite link.
vocal shard
People need to chill.. like i am a bit upset over FBT not working right, but they will fix it, and things will probably be better in the end. Idk, the devs usually pull through.
frail rivet
even seated play is broken now.. but using OVR advance you can fix it (at least for now) 
slate verge
does the mute button for X button work as reverse push to talk button?
granite meadow
i have a friend that is having trouble with the new update
vocal shard
that sounds awesome! @granite meadow
stone moon
why did they completely remove the ability to have a dedicated gesture toggle?
cobalt locust
Good evening my dudes and dudettes
stone moon
I have enough buttons for both that and their new radial menu
calm kettle
fix your fucking game.
dense slate
im mostly chill with the update even though there are many problems, i just hope the issues are addressed soon.
vocal shard
hiiii🙂 Nice to meet you guys.
uncut pike
Why VRChat