faulty tos go brrrr 😎
#vrchat-general-2
sleek anvil
vocal shard
aw
gritty frost
are they still broke?
paper cloak
idk, but I need to update SDK stuff anyways, so it's effort I didn't have time for
indigo fern
sdk3 video players are non existent rn
paper cloak
right now anyways
vocal shard
sdk2 should be sufficient tho
paper cloak
yeah I just mean I need to update the project with a new sdk2
and re-check all my triggers are good
which takes a bit
maiden wadi
Speaking of broke stuff. I took a panorama picture and it completely broke the mirror in my world xD
Solid white mirror x3
nova kindle
I used it once like a year and it just spiked my cpu for 30 seconds; i havent used it after that anymore. Shits scary
maiden wadi
Well, it makes sense because of the kind of image it's taking
vocal shard
i have a friend that has a "memories" world he's created from all the panaromas he's taken where you can walk into a collection of panospheres and re-enter the experience, it's badass
vocal shard
you put a panosphere shader and the image onto a unity sphere i'm pretty sure
little river
Hey VRChat folks. Do we know who's managing the Avatars 3.0 project?
None of it's public yet, right?
vocal shard
as far as i'm aware, correct
little river
I've been waiting for it since my first puppet avatars in 2017
All my puppet avatars basically break the system using workarounds to get working, I'm so exited for this new animation system
vocal shard
Mhmm. I'm excited too
I'm just happy with any avatar with the ability to turn into a puddle of ragdolled mush.
I am a simple person with simple tastes...
sly veldt
@little river I'll let you and some others get an early peek as it develops. Hopefully real soon(tm)
little river
vocal shard
oo these nameplates are great i put a smoke sprite behind my name
vague hemlock
@little river have you experimented with the new Bone Constraints that we have in 2018?
little river
I'm so excited. It's going to be a whole new world for VRChat performers
@vague hemlock No, I haven't heard of it
vague hemlock
I'd imagine you'd get plenty mileage out of those alone 
little river
Where can I find info on it?
vocal shard
hey ron why they keep removing fun from the game?
the nameplates are harmless
I just realized, you were the reason I learned about vrchat in the first place! @little river
vague hemlock
They are within Unity 2018! worth to try them out! You can search them as a component, Add Component then search "Constraint" and it will bring up around 6 components you can add
Once you have them on, you can use the question mark button to find out alittle more about them from the documentation
vocal shard
little river
Ha! That's great to hear @vocal shard
vocal shard
Thanks!
little river
Was it Have You Seen My Son?
vocal shard
Yeah
little river
If you want, DM me and I'll send you a free enamel pin
vocal shard
O.O
Free Pin!
vocal shard
heyimbee and vigor are why i started playing vrchat
I just joined because of Lolathon and Beelzeboop
indigo fern
like just now?
little river
Any of you can DM me for a free Scruffy enamel pin. These times could use anything to be happy about
strong isle
Who wants a candy corn
vocal shard
Now I'm stuck behind some sort of "hardcapped" issue, so I came here on a quest to return to VRChat.
vocal shard
🦗
indigo fern
is it bad that i thought that was a fbt user laying down
cunning acorn
@vocal shard Another Wolfie :D Hihi 😊
vocal shard
👋
cunning acorn
I know of like 30 wolfies now xD
cunning acorn
x3
vocal shard
yee my ign
cunning acorn
Are you the "OG" wolfie though? xD
white briar
Does someone uses Smartphone for VR?
cunning acorn
I know so many
vocal shard
im the og, rum hams avatar world boi
cunning acorn
No clue what you mean x3
hollow coral
vocal shard
rip, my public avatars i forge from dirt and bad ideas
odd quartz
Yo
cunning acorn
I found another wolfie @turbid nebula, and to think when I first met you around like 2017 people kept yelling at ME for copying your name xD So many wollllllfies
turbid nebula
Lol lord who is it?
cunning acorn
x3
vocal shard
me jan 13 2018
odd quartz
oh god so many wolfies
turbid nebula
How many wolffies can we get in chat.
vocal shard
from then i got tovbe friends with jameskii snd few others then my friend requests got clogged
cunning acorn
Oh I know quite a few xD
vocal shard
so rip my friend requets
turbid nebula
I know a few as well
cunning acorn
haha, I have known Jameskii for a looooong time, he forgot me though xD
vocal shard
yee im the one with all the nikeis
cunning acorn
In fact I met him before my name was ever wolfie xD
turbid nebula
My lord lol
cunning acorn
Back when VRC had the upload problem, where if you and somebody else uploaded an avatar at the same time, you would get theirs, and they would get yours, I got Jameskiis avatar, and he got mine, and I ran into him playing as HIS avatar xD that was so funny!
Strippin introduced me to him x3
cunning acorn
I mean, its why I added Wuf, at the end of my name, so there is not so much confusion xD
vocal shard
i gained popularity for my animations
cunning acorn
:o
Nice :D
While I gained mine, for just knowing everybody in VRChat to the point of where I am a living meme >~<
vocal shard
if u try add lmk ur name so ill be able to find
james added me cuz i was being funny with a raindeer hev suit i made
cunning acorn
I have the same name everywhere, except in this server, because my OG name, was "Wolfie :3" so my name in game is WolfieWuf xD
haha
aawwww GreenWolfie left this server, dang, was gonna get him in on this xD
vocal shard
added ya
cunning acorn
Okie 😊 Another wolfie :D
vocal shard
ahh another legendary user
cunning acorn
Been playing since 2017, and have over 7,000 hours in VRChat xD
vocal shard
me 1.9k playing since jan 13 2018
cunning acorn
And I dont AFK or sleep in VR, cause lots of people assume that right away when I say my hours
So reee
turbid nebula
Oh my
vocal shard
i sit in desktop and meme with friends
vocal shard
then get in fbt and vr when im chilling either with friends or my bf
vocal shard
yee
cunning acorn
xD
quick wyvern
XD
vocal shard
@sleek anvil vit... why
turbid nebula
Oh lord
vocal shard
kk
mystic kernel
yoo anyone know where i can get a hand tracking spider avatar?
odd quartz
Just bought a value index now to wait 8 weeks for it to come lol I cry
vernal timber
there are several wolves inside of you
they all want to get out
don't let them out
don't let the wolves out
main crater
hello
stiff tree
hi
next wing
insert default dance here
sleek anvil
there are two wolves inside of you- one is a wolf, the other is a wolf
you are a furry
😔
cunning acorn
@odd quartz I just bought my second index, and it was already delivered, but it was delivered to a place that is now closed :( so I cant get it until they open again, which might not be for a long time, so I know how you feel >~<
odd quartz
yeah this is my very first vr
cunning acorn
:o
odd quartz
so im so excited
cunning acorn
Happy to hear that :D hope you enjoy it 😊 Definitely a new experience
toxic cloak
Devs banning nameplates because someones uploaded a much better one then what they're offering for whenever the fuck the new ui comes out sometime next year 🤪
lime willow
Congrats on your very first vr @odd quartz
winged quartz
tfw no mr egg
odd quartz
thank you ❤️
vocal shard
Can anyone make custom avatars
shadow jolt
brave inlet
what they need to do is remove the quest avatar upload limit
very poor avatars are blocked by default on quest, its the user's decision to risk performance and see avatars of that performance level
west yoke
Yeah and proceed to have their game crash as the quest can't handle it.
brave inlet
yeah, but its their fault if they decide to show such an avatar
west yoke
How are they supposed to know it's bad unless they show it?
brave inlet
I dunno, maybe they should just add an extra confirmation to showing avatars
saying it will risk performance
plus
me and my friends use Very Poor ranked avatars on quest all the time, and have never crashed
and we have the worst internet you can think of
west yoke
No what I'm saying is, some avatars marked as very poor could be just on the brink of being very poor in performance and others could just crash you as soon as it's loaded as the Quest can't handle it but PC can.
rough pulsar
It depends on exactly why it's very poor. And network connection is nothing to do with it.
brave inlet
still
fair flower
i had 400-500kb internet vrchat works loading avatars just takes a long time
and 200-300 ping
i would not touch the upload limit
tbh
brave inlet
avatars marked very poor are automatically blocked by vrchat on quest
you cant change that
rough pulsar
Your overall argument fails from simple tests.
A very performance heavy avatar will lag out a PC, compared to crashing/triggering the OOM Killer on a quest.
brave inlet
so people arent going to crash as soon as you spawn in
they will lose performance when they show the avatar
but the avatar isnt even loaded to people who havent decided to show it]
rough pulsar
You really don't get how little resources the quest has compared to a PC do you?
fair flower
so see a robot or gamble
brave inlet
thats just how its always been on quest
rough pulsar
and always will be since its hardware cannot be upgraded.
fair flower
because seeing as how people treated very poor as the goto thing for upload on quest avatars i feel like a good chunk will just give up uploading proper models for quest
brave inlet
however, a lot of people just dont realize how powerfull the quest actually is, and thus there are software locks that dont need to even be there
fair flower
and those people will fill the rooms with robots for everyone else
brave inlet
thats how its always been on quest
fair flower
but now its more risky
brave inlet
because vrchat's newest update made everything way too buggy
even with a very light avatar, ive head problems
fair flower
this has nothing to do with the current topic
or are you saying a change with unity caused you to not be able to upload?
brave inlet
the avatar uploads absolutely fine, no problems on PC, but it wont even show the upload screen for quest
west yoke
Did you change your build to android?
brave inlet
yep
uploads fine when uploading for pc, but when switched to android, it shows the Future Proofing box, then when thats done, nothing
just nothing happens
fair flower
i would have to look at the version for android but does it perhaps have a "calculate shapekeys" when importing into the scene?
this will balloon the data for upload
brave inlet
checking
fair flower
i just really have a feeling this is somehow related lmoa
brave inlet
aaaand its gone
the package doesnt work and I have to redo it agian
im too tired
im gonna just take a break from this
why cant uploading just be like it was a month ago
fair flower
unity when you click on model under the model tab "blend shape normals" set this to import or click box for legacy blend normals
i noticed it auto set to calc in unity confused the hell out of me
dawn sundial
what's a relatively easy song that y'all like hearing on the guitar
west yoke
Road of Resistance, ez.
honest quest
Hey so I just got an Index but when I launch VRC it's suuuuper slow and only like 1 frame per 2 seconds. Any recommendations?
(It was running completely fine before with my Rift)
meager solstice
@honest quest does it happen on other games?
honest quest
No just VRchat
verbal meteor
Ah Vrchat was a good session tonight. Some good folks. 😄 Darn controllers ran out of power though. :p
marble helm
is there a server reset or anything at around this time every day?
its either that or the game crashes the exact time of first 2 hours into the game whenever I first start it on each day
exotic kettle
Sup
vocal shard
Anybody wanna play?
timid stone
Heya! I've been looking for a specific avatar, and I just need help at this point.
I'm hoping to find an avatar of Him from the Powerpuff Girls
dusky crest
Does anyone know if there are vrchat worlds for the game Changed?
meager solstice
@marble helm servers don’t reset
pale timber
i got mine in 12 hours
desert gust
hey what world has the most realistic/nice water so far?
night arch
My game just crashed, but I really liked your music @neon steeple (and I hope this is you, sorry for tagging you if you're not him). Great show!
scenic hedge
What I want is a vr acid trip kinda experience
pale timber
hot. i have 2 tabs
scenic hedge
That works too
pale timber
wdym
scenic hedge
I don't even know, too tired from work to think correctly
pale timber
ok
neon steeple
@night arch ahhhh thank you sm~!
vocal shard
does anyone know what world i can find a really good mineta avatar worlds?
blazing badger
Do u guys use protection skins for ur controllers, trackers and headset?
vocal shard
No
alpine venture
still waiting for fULL on vrchat concerts becoming a thing
could u imagine the experience omggg
mellow mango
There's plenty of dance clubs throughout the VRChat world space
Live DJs, 70 people+ in a world, full body tracking, staff, etc. Pretty epic, but obviously that's just the beginning.
noble aurora
im surprised the admins of VRchat havent done more with interactivity, during this covid bs
a full on concert is what we need
pale timber
i think 18k concurrent players is enough
hollow rock
hi
alpine venture
literally. the fortnite concert was tight but could you imagine a vrchat one? and people can sign up to perform?
like we have all we need. we just need someone with the unity abilities to make it possible lmfao
concerts are hella miSSED
flat fox
I mean we have similar thing like Jeep VR
Which have good lighting system
Or drama world which kind of need works
alpine venture
oo ill def check those out. never heard of em
trail rain
E
vocal shard
where is little sammy chong
rigid crescent
lol at those posts about concerts
thats for thecommunity to set up, not staff
i went to two tonight, they exist tho
vocal shard
the community carry this entire game anyway
rigid crescent
...thatsthe point
rigid crescent
theyve fixed plenty issues?
rigid crescent
lol disagreeing is like saying nothing has ever been fixed
but anyway, im at one rn and the reason we dont have many concerts is just lack of willing participants and organizers
vocal shard
@rigid crescent i guess they're not that popular, and take a lot of setup, sadly
feral ginkgo
i recall deadmau5 having plans for that but they probably died down
vocal shard
fixed plenty of issues
then how about fixing how easy it is for people to look up your ip from the game, ive gotten harassed by 12 year olds trying to dox me because of hurrdurr whois tier bullshit. i looked up why they havent fixed this in the past and the only response I've seen is that someone somewhere thinks that IPs are public information, which is a lazy excuse
indigo fern
Neat 📸
vocal shard
😔
west yoke
Wasn't the IP issue because of steam? Which should've been solved last month so that it uses steam's relay servers instead of something more akin to p2p.
(To save on bandwidth costs I'm pretty sure VRChat uses steam for voice chat but steam's voice chat wasn't exactly secure until recently.)
ruby needle
Indeed was, and indeed was fixed by the 2018 update. Which wasn't possible like that in 2017 as the functionality wasn't there in that version yet.
vocal shard
in my case it was less than 6 months ago
verbal meteor
It was fixed about a month ago, was it before then?
vocal shard
yeah
verbal meteor
Ah, worth keeping tabs on to see if it re-occurs.
vocal shard
that being said i skimmed the #announcements to see if they patched it and nothing mentioned it that i saw
west yoke
Check this, it should mention that they updated the steam networking to use steam relays to prevent user-IP leaks.
Okay that link doesn't seem to work.
verbal meteor
I think you had to check the patch notes directly as it was a huge patch so they covered the major changes.
west yoke
Check the release notes for VRChat 2020.1.1
Link here https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/latest-release (if that works correctly or not I don't know you may have to navigate to it manually)
vocal shard
i need to leave for work, ill just have to take your guys word for it, just a shame that it was an issue to begin with
verbal meteor
Oh I agree. It's nice it's been looked at though. 🙂
west yoke
I'll just take a direct quote from the patch notes "Updated Steam Networking to latest version to support relays, preventing user IP leaks"
ruby needle
^ And the issue was part of the 2017 SDK for Steam Networking, and the option for relays was not available till the 2018 version of it, to my knowledge.
So yeah, a shame maybe, but less to blame on VRChat directly then people make that sound to be the case.
steep ginkgo
Does anyone know where i get the Avatar Nameplate Template? 😊
vocal shard
I hear more and more about that fucking custom nameplate and people asking for the nameplate package
anyone got a screenshot of what it looks in game ?
ruby needle
im sure that's also the reason why the #announcements clarification was made yesturday
verbal meteor
I think there's been a picture in the vrchat pictures of it in use whether or not it's still there I dunno svel.
west yoke
Someone posted a picture of what it looks like in #avatars-2-general imo it looks good but I can understand why the nameplates shouldn't be altered (it can be adjusted to show your name or hide it) https://discordapp.com/channels/189511567539306508/361742235525709825/708466311696744540
verbal meteor
nevermind got beat to it. XD +1
west yoke
Yeah there's also that
Also it was possible to adjust the color of the nameplate and make yourself appear as a different rank when you weren't
violet gull
I tested QR Tracker with PSEye today.
It works better than Kinect
vocal shard
Nice
violet gull
Would be better if I could find a better way to secure the trackers to my feet
vocal shard
Duct tape
violet gull
For now I'm using an elastic band inside the box, and my feet fits inside.
Downside is that every step is cardboard sound lel
Wish I could make a "shoe" to fit one more tracker at the back
grand flint
hey does anybody know does playspace mover violate terms of service I wasn't sure so I thought I'd ask it looks helpful
I couldn't find a general question chat sorry
violet creek
im curious too
broken plover
Playspacemover is allowed
grand flint
thank you😀
languid beacon
Basically if it doesn’t require adding or modifying files to the vrchat install directory or running a different program entirely instead of VRChat, it’s allowed
marsh dome
sooo things I learned today: Apparently the my XboxOne Kinect can be used to do full body tracking in VR
has anyone used that?
broken plover
Yeah I used it. Its not good but for what it is it works. If you already have one (like in your case) its basically free full body
marsh dome
Nice! thanks you so much! Is there a guide or something you could recommend on how to get it set up?
broken plover
k2vr.tech is a website made by one of my friends that does his best to push kinect2vr (because its better than driver4vr for just full body tracking with kinect skeleton tracking) and the original creator is busy with irl stuff so he kind of took over the whole kinect2vr thing or more like helps with the kinect2vr thing
I can also dm you the kinect2vr discord server incase you need more help with setting everything up
marsh dome
omg that would be amazing
I'm a few weeks from getting my headset, but I will be setting it up as soon as I get it, so that would be very helpful, thank you Nico
flat fox
is there are other driver that allow to use mouse as hand control other than driver4vr?
twin fractal
I don't think so.. not sure
broken plover
yeah driver4vr is the only one that can do that
sonic dragon
🤏 👈
indigo fern
I'm In This Photo and I Don't Like It
brisk bone
I don't even know.
robust plover
I'd assume a world is created at a scheduled time but I know nothing for sure
vocal shard
Damn, I wish it was more clear :/
this is frustrating because i actually want to join in these events
robust plover
All the events look pretty sweet
vocal shard
I followed a pinned discord link that led to a vrchat even discord, but it doesn't seem like people use it all that much
so idk now
robust plover
I imagine it'll become apparent when the time comes
Don't think I'm able to attend any, hardware and time zone limitations
vocal shard
Ahhh no :/
gleaming comet
anyone wana be funny with sound boards together? in discord or vrchat?
ruby needle
How is that supposed to work?
Funny and Sound Boards dont go together into the same process.
lucid sierra
Now all that
broken plover
unless youre radiant soul and know how to not be annoying with soundboards
lucid sierra
Now all that is left is for VRChat to update their Quest Unity stuff. You know, the rendering modes for Shaders?
And the Shaders themselves? The particle shader doesn't actually work.
brisk bone
Fun and sound boards. Hm.
main crater
uhh
brisk bone
Don't think that's a thing.
odd quartz
yo does anyone know any good avatar commission people, i want to get a model made.
vocal shard
vrc traders #community-servers-old
vocal shard
its like my mother always told me
take a drink of someones pee jail is where you gonna be
hollow drum
anybody got problem launching vrchat?
vocal shard
not currently
hollow drum
idk why me and my friends can't launch the game, crashing right at launch
vocal shard
what are you on
hollow drum
what do you mean?
vocal shard
quest ,pc ,rift?
hollow drum
pc and vive but it doesn't matter desktop mode doesn't work too
vocal shard
well lemme try on quest
hollow drum
ok
hollow drum
no right after I press launch it shows black screen for a second then a weird Unity loading window and crashes
it takes 3 seconds max
vale wave
Ok
desert gust
hey what world has the nicest looking/most realistic water(waves and such, not nessesarily interactive ripples)
rough panther
hello, it's me or you can't make a new account on vrchat?
unique yew
why is the social system so slow in vrchat
it takes forever to update and i dont ever get fr or invites till i quit and start the game
sullen merlin
i have been stuck in a login loop for about a week now, keeps on saying "your connection to VR Chat has timed out" i have tried everything, and i dont know what else to do, please help.
vocal shard
Its like my mother always told me
if you taste somes pee jail is where you gonna be
quick kayak
https://discordapp.com/channels/189511567539306508/336764577301659649/708408420172169296
this is both an idiotic and a good change
it does make all jumpscare avatars that hide the nameplate or Mochie's Nameplate Customization shader against TOS though......
umbral reef
Almost like you should not jumpscare people in public anyway or share avatars with the ability to do that 👀
quick kayak
Almost like you are scrutinizing people for having harmless wholesome fun 👀
umbral reef
If people do it in private or to friends its harmless fun imo
But to strangers there is only one part of the two having fun most of the time
quick kayak
if they arent harassing people with it then why would it matter?
a single scare or 2 is fine
as long as they arent constantly annoying or bothering you with it I see no problem
umbral reef
Yea no
Id wish you try that IRL
You will quickly learn that its not the social norm that you can scare people that you dont know at all
quick kayak
oh really?
vocal shard
It actually been the same rule for a long time. The text was just changed to make it more clear. For years someone could get in trouble for hiding or modifying their nameplate for malicious purposes
quick kayak
so younger siblings that have done it to me IRL dont count?
"Id wish you try that IRL "
quick kayak
this was literally just added to the tos so unless they were harassing someone then I HIGHLY DOUBT there were bans for it before
umbral reef
No as jumpscaring people counts as harrasing
quick kayak
no it doesnt
umbral reef
Nameplate or not lmao
vocal shard
It wasn't just added. The same rules have been around for years. They just changed the text to be more clear
umbral reef
Ow that explains why people got banned for it when all they did was use jumpscare avatars
vocal shard
quick kayak
id love to see what world where you live in where someone jumping out and saying boo = harassment
please bring me into THAT courtroom
umbral reef
Look- Its fine you think its fun. thats your party
But how is scaring someone that doesnt expect anything at all 'fun' for that user
quick kayak
where was I talking about that?
I never said it was you are going outside of what I was talking about
umbral reef
My question was for ingame lmao
quick kayak
a simple scare is not harassment
doing it over and over again in a short period of time would be harassment
I wasnt at all talking about if it was "fun" or not
thats not what I was debating
umbral reef
Please explain how some stranger, without you knowing of anything, randomly throwing a loud sound, scary face and what else you want to use if anything is 'fun'.
If its not fun for everyone involved then why should it not be against the rules.
quick kayak
please explain to me how 1 scare is harassment and why it should be against the rules
BY DEFINITION it isnt harassment
BY COURT STANDARDS it isnt harassment
stranger or not
umbral reef
Honestly are you that special that you need to claim the court and law
quick kayak
im not claiming anything here
I am asking you to explain to me how someone getting scared 1 time is harassment
which you are still dancing around
umbral reef
Owkay
Lets say its not harrasment
Why should it not be against the rules then?
Boom solved its not harrasement, its still fucked up to do
quick kayak
why are you still trying to dance around my question?
the debate of if its fucked up or not is separate yet you keep bringing that back
and tbh with as much fucked up shit as there is in VRChat the fact that someone jumpscaring you is that big of a deal to you says A LOT
there has been SO MUCH WORSE going on in VRChat but yeah jumpscares yep totally whats important
umbral reef
Nice personal attack really 👌
And i just gave you what you wanted by saying its not harrasment. And the reason i bring the other 'not important' stuff up is because thats the reason you got banned for it in the past and should/will be in the future
umbral reef
It literally was but ok
quick kayak
I havent been banned once btw
umbral reef
Good job
I also havent 🙂
marsh dome
sooo now we can change the subject to why everyone got into VR in the first place?
umbral reef
Not a high bar to set in this game you know
quick kayak
and no it wasnt an attack on you
it was to say that with as much fucked up shit that goes on why is jumpscaring so horrible to you?
marsh dome
I am waiting for my Index to show up, and I'm hoping to learn what got everyone interested in VR
umbral reef
Because its a bad thing just like everything else?
quick kayak
jumpscaring < everything else
umbral reef
So because its less bad we should ignore it?
marsh dome
Oclac, Herp. go deal with your problems in DMs
quick kayak
stop shoving words in my mouth
umbral reef
@marsh dome Hard to explain but VR really gets you a different feel into the game
You often forget your in your room about to smash a wall instead of in that space ship pushing buttons
Also Im saying those words, its me asking if thats what you want not that you said it
quick kayak
it shouldnt be ignored but this way to handle the underlying problem is EXTREMELY POOR
marsh dome
@marsh dome Hard to explain but VR really gets you a different feel into the game
You often forget your in your room about to smash a wall instead of in that space ship pushing buttons
@umbral reef I'm excited to be immersed in a different world and actually BE IN the game world instead of controlling someone moving around it
quick kayak
and if this is how just wholesome jumpscaring fun gets alienated and handled
I fear for us and how the rest of the horrible shit in VRChat will be handled
😓
umbral reef
So how do you want them to monitor it then?
You cant keep a record who does it badly and who does it 'nicely'.
marsh dome
I mean, there is another game coming soon that is basically a newer version of VRChat, isnt there?
quick kayak
why do we need to monitor it at all?
how hard is it to use your words and ASK someone not to?
and if they dont stop press the block and/or report buttons?
marsh dome
if you dont agree with VRChat's TOS, you could try your luck there
umbral reef
A perfect example of why other shit is so bad is because reporting someone is so stupidly hard to do for all problems.
And with that, there is no way to say X thing is wholesome and Y isnt when it comes to an action.
indigo fern
i dont think jumpscaring is what they had in mind when they say misleading anyway, pretty sure its mainly for those who add fake dev tags or change the color
umbral reef
Ask after it happened isnt a thing my dude
It already happened then
quick kayak
@indigo fern exactly but they ended up being so vague in the wording that it made more than that against TOS
umbral reef
@indigo fern People in the past have gotten banned for jumpscaring strangers before so 🤷♂️
indigo fern
so many people have been banned for less in the past yea, precedent doesnt exist in this game
quick kayak
my question Oclac is
why do you need a parent on your shoulder to protect you from something as harmless as jumpscares BEFORE they even have a chance to happen
umbral reef
harmless
violet creek
isnt that another reason why personal space exists in the menu
quick kayak
^^^
umbral reef
Because i really dislike people getting way to fucking close into my personal space, dont enjoy loud sounds in my ears, dont enjoy spooky stuff when im playing a social game and not a horror game
@violet creek There are like 200 ways to bypass that and most proper jumpscare avatars would
violet creek
thats bad
quick kayak
turn personal space on?
why should it be a problem that you need someone watching over your shoulder for?
show me ANY example of that being bypassed
I have yet to see one
umbral reef
Also why would i need to disable a large part of the game and communication without it being foolproof to prevent myself against something i dont enjoy
quick kayak
you just said you didnt like people being in your personal space
that option is doing what it is intended to do
umbral reef
Its 1:30am else id walk you to any public world, show you a 'world' shader and you get the idea maybe then
Difference being them clipping out 1.5M away from me or being right into my face
quick kayak
that has nothing to do with what I was talking about....
umbral reef
Pretty sure IRL you dont want everyone hugging your face but dont mind them being 0.5m away to talk
turn personal space on?
why should it be a problem that you need someone watching over your shoulder for?show me ANY example of that being bypassed
The example part, you literally asked for an example and i gave one
quick kayak
you are literally throwing every excuse you have at it to make it sound like its not a YOU problem
🤦♂️
umbral reef
I know im a cunt but your something special my dude
rigid crescent
am i misreading or did they say to ask someone not to jumpscare you
quick kayak
im not the one trying to push their issues with personal space off on other people
marsh dome
nah, I think you're think you're both misreading and you're not in the same library, let alone the same page
umbral reef
Im saying jumpscaring strangers in public is a dumb thing to do and should get you a clap
They find that aye owkay
indigo fern
dont tase me bro
umbral reef
Alright, you confirmed its not fun for the party being scared.
But you still hardcore defend it with all your might to it being not bad enough to get punished for
rigid crescent
Eh it's on par with other annoying avatar bullshit, which should also not be or already isn't allowed.
quick kayak
again 15 feet away from what I was actually talking about because you want to make your personal issues something else
marsh dome
lol
umbral reef
And thats the bingo card full for personal attacks 🥳
quick kayak
you literally just said you didnt want jumpscare avatars ONLY because of your issues with them
I am not the one that said that xD
umbral reef
Talking about my character instead of the problems you keep switching up
Such good faith talking my dude
violet creek
if it annoys you, change the safety settings. Thats a good solution with effects/lights/loud sounds
quick kayak
how is it an attack when you admitted it yourself?
its just stating what already has been said
umbral reef
You dont want something happening to you because you dont want it to happen to you
rigid crescent
A way to prevent them from happening isn't an excuse for you to do it though.
quick kayak
never said it was
rigid crescent
Those tools exist because some people don't care about the rules and choose to do it anyway.
umbral reef
Just wear bullet proof vests always so you wont get randomly show 🙂
quick kayak
thats basically the equivalent of what you want
quick kayak
nah you already ate the whole garage empty
umbral reef
Explain how me not wanting something to happen is the same as my example
violet creek
what about safety settings
shouldnt they prevent being scared in public worlds if you change them to your needs?
quick kayak
explain to me where that has any relevancy to what I was saying Oclac
umbral reef
How is me being against being scared for no reason in public so insane
@violet creek So i should be able to use big particle stuff because it can just be blocked right?
Or isnt that the same
rigid crescent
You shouldn't have to use Safety Settings is the point, and if you aren't it isn't an excuse for someone to be "in the clear" to scare you.
violet creek
dont know
rigid crescent
safety settings exist because people can't follow the rules, not so it makes it OK to not follow the rules
quick kayak
never said it was any excuse for them to be "in the clear" if you read what I said
rigid crescent
I'm more than likely referring to the person actually mentioning safety settings lol
quick kayak
ahh
indigo fern
if the person just reports before asking to not do that, it seems pretty sketch to begin with
quick kayak
let me put it this way and maybe you can understand
I will even use your bulletproof vest example
umbral reef
@indigo fern Do you also ask particle spammers and world shader boys to do the same?
indigo fern
how is that the same
violet creek
its not on the users (scare victims)to prevent it from that actually happening, so a good solution for someone who prefers not to be scared should change the safety settings for their needs
indigo fern
you dont crash from this, you arent taken out
at its core, its still people just going ooga booga to you so its more of a behavioral thing, case by case so if the person is bothered
rigid crescent
You shouldn't be doing it to begin with to strangesr.
umbral reef
Both effect people without them wanting it to happen at all
One scares the shit out of someone the other shows random ass shit
I didnt talk about crashers, i said spammers for a reason
rigid crescent
That's the whole point. It's done to be an annoyance and get a reaction.
quick kayak
the way you are putting it Oclac you are saying
that because there are random shootings that it should be mandatory law that EVERYONE wear a bulletproof vest
that is the equivalent of what you were saying
which is what I was trying to convey this entire time but you all kept thinking I was just personally attacking
rigid crescent
That's a terrible comparison
indigo fern
um wot
rigid crescent
It's more like "Because there are random shootings, it should be mandatory for shootings to be illegal."
umbral reef
Im aruging that the gun should be illegal and removed because of the random shooting 👌
vocal shard
scared people goes aaaaah
rigid crescent
your comparison is just bad
umbral reef
Ow shit your a gun fanatic and going to push that stuff now?
umbral reef
Ow nooo i don want to have my gameplay experience ruined by stuff jumping into my face in a social VR game 😱
Im literally the spawn of satan!
quick kayak
go read a book then if you dont want a social experience ruined by social interaction
violet creek
guys this is going nowhere and out of hand
quick kayak
^
umbral reef
social interaction
quick kayak
hold on ima make all cheeseburgers illegal because random people get diabetes brb
rigid crescent
Uhh...How...How is jumpscaring someone social interaction?
And don't say "because you're interacting with another person"
quick kayak
its still social and an interaction by definition
rigid crescent
here we go
umbral reef
brb lemme crash people and call that justified because its social and an interaction by definition
rigid crescent
So by that logic, racism should be OK and people who don't want their social experienced ruined by social interaction should just "go read a book"?
quick kayak
where did I say that justifies it?
show me pls
you keep shoving all these words in my mouth
umbral reef
So its not justified, its not fun for people
Why should it not be banned?
rigid crescent
That's a direct comparison to what you're saying.
quick kayak
I never said it wasnt justified either
umbral reef
Well what is it
quick kayak
im speaking purely about that reasoning you gave
violet creek
guys
if you want to share opinions and want to discuss it in such a toxic manner, do that in whisper or a private group chat. Its going nowhere with how you handle this conversation and you should stop it
rigid crescent
"go read a book then if you dont want a social experience ruined by [jumpscares]"
vs
"go read a book then if you dont want a social experience ruined by [racism]"
They're both forms of "socialization" according to you.
So why aren't they both alright?
quick kayak
I never said one was automatically good
you are going way off topic of what I was saying
rigid crescent
Not wanting your social experience ruined by something bad isn't a reason to tell them off
Instead put in place rules to prevent that behavior and remove those people from the environment instead.
Which they have. But somehow that's bad?
quick kayak
Not wanting YOUR social experience ruined by something doesn't automatically mean its bad either
rigid crescent
So should nothing be against the rules because everything is subjective?
indigo fern
a rule obviously isnt going to stop people from doing it, what it mainly does will let the people who are actually bothered by it report
violet creek
19. For small disputes between individuals, please take it to a private chat and do not involve others in it.
indigo fern
we're conversating, calm down
vocal shard
exactly mic
we don't need rules
umbral reef
@indigo fern You kinda need a rule for that tho
indigo fern
i just said that
quick kayak
WHERE DID I SAY THAT WE DONT NEED RULES??!?
jesus fuck guys stop shoving shit down my throat
umbral reef
Ow then i got ya wrong
rigid crescent
What if I don't find racism unpleasant? What if I enjoy sexism? What if like prejudice. Does that mean it should be alright to do simply because I'm not personally offended by it?
indigo fern
slow down on the paint bRo
rigid crescent
Not wanting YOUR social experience ruined by something doesn't automatically mean its bad either Can you better explain this then?
I know what you're saying but apparently not what you meant to say.
quick kayak
just because something may ruin YOUR social experience doesnt mean that it even bothers someone else in the slightest
and just because something bothers you doesnt really mean a reason that its bad either
umbral reef
So when should something be not allowed
rigid crescent
Yes, and going by that very poor logic, why should ANYTHING be against the rules if everything is subjective?
indigo fern
if it doesnt bother someone else then they wont report it
quick kayak
where did I say everything is subjective?
rigid crescent
When should something actually be against the rules?
"just because something may ruin YOUR social experience doesnt mean that it even bothers someone else in the slightest"
That's what you're saying here....
rough pulsar
and just because something bothers you doesnt really mean a reason that its bad either
That's basically the definition of subjectivity right there
quick kayak
never said EVERYTHING is subjective tho
rigid crescent
Please, just clarify when you believe something should be against the rules so we have a baseline.
Because it's starting to look like you've backed yourself into a corner.
quick kayak
when it actually has a reason to be bad other than just because it just bothers you
umbral reef
This bad faith arguing is so stupid. He keeps pulling the same stick of saying something dumb, wanting us to only respond in quotes of words he said and even when he uses the literal definition of a word to explain something as he just did with subjective says its false as he never said it.
quick kayak
Oclac you keep shoving words in my mouth
umbral reef
And when is something bad?
quick kayak
not everything is black and white
vocal shard
when I decide so
rigid crescent
OK, so when does something "have a reason to be bad"?
vocal shard
it's subjective, oclac, remember ?
umbral reef
@vocal shard Shit that means ERP is banned right :c
rigid crescent
Stop being vague. Make a point with an example.
quick kayak
I did
vocal shard
no since it's okay from my point of view
rigid crescent
At what point is something "bad"?
umbral reef
Ahcool then
vocal shard
so no need for a rule against it
quick kayak
I already explained my point
so many times
go back and reread if you dont understand
rigid crescent
This is where he backs out because he was pressed for a clear example.
umbral reef
You didnt make it clear for anyone in here
quick kayak
I GAVE
quick kayak
ok so here I will make this as CLEAR CUT as possible
rigid crescent
Link the post please. I clearly missed it in the spam of replies. I'll even offer to search it up for you if you don't want to.
Oh, here we go. 🍿
pale timber
oclac is bad
umbral reef
😏 In what way though
vocal shard
rinuwuwuwuwu
umbral reef
Im like reallly good at eating paint so im not bad at that
umbral reef
My paint, no sharing
umbral reef
Well who knows man, maybe your like a special paint FBI and want to steal it from me. And when i send a photo you can locate the place its stored
rigid crescent
Paintgate.
quick kayak
JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS BOTHERING YOU
DOESNT MEAN THAT IT 100% SHOULD BE AGAINST THE RULES
it has to actually have a reason to be bad
you cant say that because a needle pricked your finger that the needle should be banned because the prick bothered you
thats not how life works
its like saying that because you almost got hit by a dumb driver on the road that all vehicles should be outlawed
rigid crescent
Yes, and I've pointed out how comparisons like that are bad.
"it has to actually have a reason to be bad" OK so what has a reason to be bad?
umbral reef
Still explains nothing about what exactly is bad for you
quick kayak
just because jumpscares bother you specifically doesnt mean its bad and therefor everyone should be protected from it like snowflakes
pale timber
who said i wanted to steal paint from u
awwh hes expressing his opinion over the internet <33
umbral reef
@pale timber No one but i cant be protective enough of my paint
vocal shard
who decide what's bad or not ?
rigid crescent
OK, so what if I said "Just because racism bothers you specifically doesn't mean it's bad and therfor everyone should be protected from it like snowflakes."
quick kayak
but we arent talking about racism which is universally bad now are we?
pale timber
haha im self justified
quick kayak
we are talking about a few second moment of someone being startled
vocal shard
well, i'm my own opinion and experience, it's not bad so we shouldn't have any rules or laws against it
quick kayak
not exactly racism levels of bad
pale timber
svel jumpscare me
umbral reef
What if i find world shaders not bad
Cant i use the same argument that you just used for that?
What if i bully someone with horror avatars, its still one person and not everyone suffering from it, is that bad?
quick kayak
then you are actually harassing that someone with horror avatars
so yes harassment is bad
pale timber
boo
umbral reef
But when is it harrasing then
quick kayak
when you continuously do it to spite or annoy someone
umbral reef
Kinky rin
vocal shard
it's not, it's your own experience that decide it
rigid crescent
So doing it once to annoy someone is ok?
and then doing it a separate time to spite them is also ok?
pale timber
u eat paint talk to me about kink later
umbral reef
So im only harrasing someone if i do it more then once and to bully someone to say it simple?
rigid crescent
So, doing something to annoy or spite someone once is alright? Yes or no question.
pale timber
guys in school i learned harassment is once and bullying is many times
quick kayak
you know what harassing someone would actually be
now you are just playing dumb
rigid crescent
That's what you've done this whole time.
You JUST said continuously. So, me doing it once is fine?
umbral reef
Well i eat paint so im pretty dumb tbh-
And mic is a streamer so that also aint to shabby so help us out here
rigid crescent
Again, a yes or no question.
pale timber
haha i defend self justified opinion 🤡 i funny
rigid crescent
LOL
quick kayak
I answered your question
rigid crescent
It was a yes or no question.
quick kayak
yes
pale timber
guys he said it. harassment is fine
rigid crescent
OK, so just to clarify.
"It's OK if you do something to annoy or spite someone one time."
quick kayak
thats not what I said
pale timber
nope
quick kayak
-.-
if you are just going to keep shoving words into my mouth im done with this conversation
rigid crescent
I'm trying to clarify what you're saying.
"It's OK if you do something to annoy or spite someone one time."
That's correct, right?
pale timber
what happened to being done
rigid crescent
but you just said "yes"
pale timber
contradict
quick kayak
but thats not what I said
rigid crescent
https://discordapp.com/channels/189511567539306508/337243225649840128/708831376325083139 what was this in reference to? Sorry, maybe you were replying to someone else
pale timber
mic is also someone else too
quick kayak
doing it once doesnt mean you are 100% are doing it to annoy or spite someone
pale timber
haha guys i said i was done but i go bc my ego fragile D:
pale timber
but u said u were done with this conversation
vocal shard
don't be mean rin
pale timber
that includes the whole thing
umbral reef
Rin is also bad it seems
pale timber
who said i was mean
quick kayak
maybe you skipped the whole "if" part Rin
rigid crescent
So just to sum things up using your own quotes before this kill my last fraction of a braincell.
[Harassment is]when you continuously do it to spite or annoy someone.
So what is it if you do it once? I asked if that was OK and you said Yes, and then you changed it to no.
stray ginkgo
To all you Valve Index users, how does the Index work?
pale timber
its an hmd
quick kayak
ok mic listen
rigid crescent
you plug it in and put it on your face like most other headsets
umbral reef
How do ya mean as what cables you plug in? @stray ginkgo
pale timber
yes
umbral reef
Its really just slap camera's down, connect stuff as the manual says, start up headset and throw it on ya head
And ignore step 1 and 2 after the first time
quick kayak
doing anything to spite or annoy someone is not ok
a simple jumpscare, if the intent wasnt to spite or annoy, is fine
vocal shard
who said it's fine ?
vocal shard
fairly sure that most people would prefer to avoid a random big jumpscare when they are talking with someone in public
umbral reef
There have been 5 people in this chat that where agaisnt jumpscared by now. You still going to argue its just me?
quick kayak
ok show me where its a large enough problem you need someone sitting on your shoulder?
odd quartz
lol
quick kayak
never said it was just you
rigid crescent
Who said anything about anyone needing someone to be a helicopter mod?
umbral reef
The one where my brains died from eating paint
pale timber
recharge it, what?
umbral reef
Thats honestly to god such a mentally special and bad faith question
pale timber
do u not have batteries for ur brain
dusky crest
what are you guys bickering about
quick kayak
you want to talk about personal attacks yet you keep trying to call me special? xD
pale timber
its a large enough problem for there to be an argument about it. does that work
quick kayak
no
umbral reef
Ow i said early on that im a cunt
I dont deny it atleast
pale timber
haha i petty
quick kayak
I dont either
pale timber
imagine taking sides
umbral reef
Everyone else saying 'jumpscared bad should not be done' and herp isnt agreeing with that
vocal shard
go back and read the messages leading to this convo
umbral reef
in public*
rigid crescent
That is annoying lol
dusky crest
like the pikachu ball
pale timber
define annoying
rigid crescent
True good point
dusky crest
harassing people
quick kayak
this all started because I said the TOS changes were worded poorly
which they are
dusky crest
harassing people or blaring their screens
pale timber
:0 harassing people is a no go
rigid crescent
only ingame experience I've had with him is him joining a video world and harassing a friend and I with his shitty shtick, so I'd vote "No" against him lol
dusky crest
or like jumpscaring someone without a pretense
pale timber
if u have a problem with the tos go to their support and complain there lol
dusky crest
like lolathon does a pikachu ball, you're staring into it waiting for something to happen
rigid crescent
What's the pretense lolathon has?
dusky crest
then you get jumpscared
rigid crescent
Content? lol
dusky crest
it's all in good fun
umbral reef
Alright so your exactly on the same side as us
So anything loud, without warning, in public not to friends and stuff.
quick kayak
lolathon does it because he is a clown and likes to do funny things sometimes jumpscares
and yes in public sometimes too
umbral reef
As i stated early on that stuff is fine 🙂
rigid crescent
I mean he does it for content lol
quick kayak
he has done it in public to randoms before Oclac...
dusky crest
Well I mean if you shouldn't be playing vrchat
umbral reef
Ow yea thats a cunt move then still
dusky crest
or don't join massive lobbies, or dont fall for peoples tricks
quick kayak
he does it for content and that is what he is known for is the funny avatars
dusky crest
yeah
pale timber
but do u ever hear anyone genuinely complain about lolathon jumpscaring
dusky crest
no
quick kayak
but I guess his lively hood since it annoys Oclac it should be banned
umbral reef
So moesensaft you studied for anything related to anatomy?
rigid crescent
I mean I'm doing it now lol
dusky crest
@umbral reef wym
vocal shard
I got "jumpscared" by lolathon with some friends
umbral reef
Ey thats another person attack, thats my second bingo card full 🥳
rigid crescent
His livelihood isn't what needs to be banned, it's literally just jumpscares. He does other things.
pale timber
svel jumpscare me 😳
vocal shard
we didn't react, so he just left immediatly
we are not content
rigid crescent
Yep, same here.
quick kayak
Oclac stating your opinion isnt an attack...
dusky crest
^^^^^
quick kayak
you just said all jumpscares are bad
rigid crescent
He joined the lobby while a friend and I were watching videos and plays some shitty music to make fun of us for being weebs (we weren't watching anime) then leaves once his hoard of orbiter goons joins and we're not being content any more.
quick kayak
so that means so is lolathon's lively hood
dusky crest
Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they're attacking you
quick kayak
^^^
rigid crescent
His livelihood is streaming, not jumpscares. Assuming he doesn't have a dayjob which im guessing he might
umbral reef
@dusky crest You made a comment about heart attacks, if someone can get them they should not play.
That statement is pretty silly for someone who has spend more then enough time learning about these subjects. So i was kinda asking it to check if you actually knew about the topic or where parroting what most people say.
pale timber
parents do that and its fine
quick kayak
@rigid crescent and what do people come there to watch?
dusky crest
that's not a personal attack
quick kayak
him and his funny avatars
dusky crest
vrchat is known for being a shady ass place
rigid crescent
All of his avatars aren't jumpscares, sooo
dusky crest
why would you put yourself in the position for that to happen
quick kayak
never said they were soooo
dusky crest
or turn up your safety settings
rigid crescent
He can just not do those
dusky crest
they're there for a reason
quick kayak
yes just NOT do the thing that a lot of people come to him to see
umbral reef
personalattack
Dropping my name and just my name for something that almost everyone in chat agree's with and pushing hard negative information on it
dusky crest
if you chose not to turn them up even if your susceptible to medical conditions that's on you
rigid crescent
If it's against the rules, sure?
umbral reef
You dont even need any at all for bad stuff to happen
dusky crest
that's like not putting on a seat belt during a car chase just cause you think it's uncomfortable on your lap
rigid crescent
No it isn't...
quick kayak
yes it is...
rigid crescent
What is with these stone cold shitty comparisons people are maknig today
umbral reef
I learned for over 4 years by now to know this shit. My degree tells me im righto on this topic 👏
So unless you did same effort on it please shut up on spreading fake news when it comes to healthcare that can actually harm someone
quick kayak
Mic you think a big ass streamer should just be ok with not doing something that a good chunk of their viewer and fan base come to see
pale timber
oclac did the brain
dusky crest
okay coo lyou got a degree so what
rigid crescent
I never said he should be OK with it, he should just follow the rules like everyone else does.
dusky crest
want a cookie
umbral reef
cool you learned to know a topic so what
So what i know what your saying is wrong, that what
dusky crest
"Guys look I got a degree so I rule over everyoen in an opinion discussion. That means all your opinions are invalidated just cause I said so"
rigid crescent
No ,it means they literally know more than you on the topic dude
umbral reef
No i rule over medical stuff 🙂
dusky crest
They've literally tried ti invalidate peoples opinions and say they're getting "personalyl attacked"
quick kayak
got a degree for going to school for 4 years
automatically means what you say is worthless because went to school
dusky crest
wee woo sound the bells someone doesn't agree with you
rigid crescent
I mean it's worthless because it's wrong.
dusky crest
bingo
rigid crescent
It's a literal incorrect statement they made.
No, I mean your statement was wrong lol
It was factually incorrect.
quick kayak
just having a degree doesnt automatically mean he is wrong tho
pale timber
ok i tire of this i go bye bye
vocal shard
that's your own experience, mic
umbral reef
The stress cardiomyopathy respondse also known as 'broken heath syndrome' or 'scared to death' can result from large emotional stimuli like fight of flight
You dont need anything bad happening to your hearth for it to be deathly, harmfull or panic inducing.
rigid crescent
true true, i guess in my experience it isnt bad lol
dusky crest
And how rare is that
e x t r e m e l y
You should be playing with your safety settings turned up so shit like this doesn't happen
umbral reef
Ow cool ,you studied to know its extremely rare even though thats false?
dusky crest
not once did I say I studied
your ass must be pretty wide to keep pulling shit out of it
umbral reef
Then how would you know it else?
Your just pulling information from the air it seems then
rigid crescent
So is it extremely rare or not?
dusky crest
It's pretty common knowlage to know that someone's not gonna die on the spot from a little spook
unless they're fucking old as balls
or have a medical condition
umbral reef
Never stated they would die, i said they would get a stress cardiomyopathy
quick kayak
where did this go from a convo where Oclac was trying to say that just because he has a degree means what you say is dirt
to Moe being attacked over whether he studied or not
Oclac why do you keep dancing around topics
dusky crest
honestly
rigid crescent
They said something factually incorrect and got corrected on it, then got defensive despite not knowing anything about the topic.
umbral reef
He is spreading false information
I know my shit and the reason i bought up my education is to show i know my shit
rigid crescent
Seems pretty clear cut. Happens a lot here.
quick kayak
again that wasnt what the convo was about until Oclac made it about that
umbral reef
Ok
But he still wrong
quick kayak
ok and? so are you
dusky crest
And what Lolathon does, you're pretty stupid if you literally wait around infront of something that could easily jumpscare you
like him jingling the pokeball
he doesn't just run up to people and BOO
umbral reef
Nah im literally factually right on the medical related stuff 👏
Other stuff is opinion according to you so
rigid crescent
Yes he does?
umbral reef
Also he has done that plenty before my dude
quick kayak
Oclac your degree is worth about as much as the paper it was printed on
rigid crescent
That was his whole bit with the mr-whatever avatar.
quick kayak
no one cares about your degree
dusky crest
the problem with oclac is he's trying to use his degree as a one upper in an opinion based topic
rigid crescent
See what I mean? You're saying factually incorrect things
You say them as if they're fact and when told you're wrong, what happens?
Do you admit it?
silver oar
anyone use kinect? could use some help
umbral reef
I never used my degree to get an upper one on anything non medical related special bone
rigid crescent
dusky crest
*bruh
pale timber
k2vr.tech 😳
umbral reef
Please quote where i did do that if i did
rigid crescent
He literally has avatars that are just generic loud jumpscares.
dusky crest
Alright, please quote me where I personally attacked you
quick kayak
Oclac you have been using your degree as a one upper this whole time
thats what the convo started out as until you started attacking Moe over something that was WAY OFF TOPIC
this is just getting sad and pathetic at this point
umbral reef
Please quote an situation where i did that
umbral reef
Well one situation should not* be hard to find then
dusky crest
quote where we personally attacked you
dusky crest
or when it was mandated for you to pull the "I got a degreee"
quick kayak
^^^
umbral reef
@dusky crest Not even gonna care about that anymore as your definition of personal attack aint the same so gj you get this cookie
rigid crescent
lol he avoids the point about him being wrong about this https://discordapp.com/channels/189511567539306508/337243225649840128/708837313790345287
i love it
quick kayak
"as your definition of personal attack aint the same"
dusky crest
it's a pretty fucking flat-line definition of "personal attack"
it's attacking someone PERSONALLY
quick kayak
"Noun. personal attack (plural personal attacks) an abusive remark on or relating to somebody's person instead of providing evidence when examining another person's claims or comments."
umbral reef
So me brining up my degree to show i know medical related conditions in a situation where you stated factually wrong information more then once is bad?
dusky crest
disagreeign with you isn't personally attacking you
your definition of a personal attack is someone not agreeing with you in an argument
quick kayak
Oclac he didnt state that incorrect information until you brought up your degree...
dusky crest
this isn't about medical shit
umbral reef
He did
umbral reef
Nono you guys brought up me using to one up with my degree on everything
I want to get that clear so we are not swapping topics and else we are going back to that one
quick kayak
ok now he is saying that chat logs are invalid?
dusky crest
I mean you are the lord of swapping topics but
quick kayak
xD
you can literally scroll up and see that he brought up his degree first
idk why he is fighting so hard about it
dusky crest
you literally derailed the topic to bring it into the medical field once u brought up your degree
rigid crescent
You had to continue the chain?
dusky crest
just so you could gain some traction cause you're not good with opinion based shit
rigid crescent
You made false claims about medical things and were corrected and instead of admitting it, you kept pressing.
pale timber
haha i petty i need last word
lost niche
Hi?
rigid crescent
OK, and....they were corrected and kept pressing.
dusky crest
@rigid crescent Olac has literally falsely used "personal attacking" wrong and falsely accused people of it and instead of noticing their mistake they dug their heels in
so don't think it's one sided nonsense
quick kayak
which is what this convo is about
has nothing to do with what Moe stated about medical supplies or ANYTHING ABOUT MEDICAL SHIT
we are talking about the fact Oclac brought up his degree out of no where
rigid crescent
I never said it was 🤔
quick kayak
because Moe started talking about the medical shit AFTER Oclac brought up his degree
lost niche
Ok
dusky crest
^^^
lost niche
Bye
quick kayak
and then Oclac derailed the topic so no one would bring it up
using his degree as a one upper in a convo that wasnt even about degrees or schooling to begin with
this is just getting absolutely pathetic
dusky crest
because they're like "wel lsomeone could get a heart attack" so I said "If you're prone to heart attacks you shouldn't be playing vrchat in the first place, or atleast turn up your safety setting so shit like that doesn't happen" and thats when the whole "Well I got a degree so >:("
rigid crescent
Yes, by "I have a degree" it means they most likely know more about the topic than you, a random person who is saying something factually incorrect about the topic ot begin with.
dusky crest
we werent talking medical
vocal shard
or you could let anyone play the game without doing shit that can put them in danger
that's also an option and you don't lose anything from avoiding being a random ass to strangers
umbral reef
Only had to wait for you to bring that up thanks saves me scrolling
Thats 'if your prone X' isnt a thing
My stuff that i said explains you dont have to be prone for it to get problems from it.
I used my degree to explain how i know this info
pale timber
svel play the game with me 😳
umbral reef
I gave you the names to research it
vocal shard
can't
umbral reef
So how wasnt it related at all?
dusky crest
Again, if you're prone to medical injuries from doing one thing, why would you do it
quick kayak
literally no one was talking medical shit or degrees or schooling or anything
Oclac literally tried to use his degree as a "I AUTOMATICALLY KNOW BETTER THAN YOU" card in this
whether he actually knows something on the subject or not
he was still using his degree as a one up for no reason but to try to act better than Moe
umbral reef
But you can get harmed from it without being prone to it
As i stated plenty before by now
rigid crescent
to try and act better or to provide context for his medical knowledge? The latter makes more sense
dusky crest
That's why you need to have your safety settings up
rigid crescent
What's the context for Moe's incorrect "fact"?
quick kayak
tell us more about how guns should be illegal because random shootings happen?
dusky crest
to prevent people from being a douche
umbral reef
Nice derailing herp--
rigid crescent
Or, hear me out...Make being a douche against the rules?
odd quartz
what is happening in here lol
umbral reef
@dusky crest But if everyone needs the safety settings. Isnt it easier to ban it?
quick kayak
its not derailing to make a joke Oclac
dusky crest
Olac don't call people out for derail when you did it multiple times
quick kayak
^^^
rigid crescent
and punish people who break that rule?
dusky crest
@umbral reef I mean quite literally don't be stupud
don't put yourself in the pisition to get jumpscared
rigid crescent
What is a "position to get jumpscared"?
dusky crest
don't put yourself in the position and fall for it
pale timber
how long has it been
rigid crescent
What is a "position to fall for it"?
umbral reef
That doesnt answer what i asked though
Why should it be allowed if we just confirmed that everyone could be at risk of problems.
rigid crescent
Most of the jumpscare models are literally just a mesh+audio turned on and off.
dusky crest
literally asking for it
umbral reef
If its not allowed at all, then its pretty simple
rigid crescent
"asking for it" yikes
dusky crest
like lolathon with the pokeball, he jingles it infront of you for like 30 seconds
vocal shard
has anyone here beaten the puzzle screen world?
dusky crest
and you're just gonna sit there watching it?
rigid crescent
OK Lolathon also has flat out jumpscare models Moe.
rigid crescent
And not everything is a "position to bejumpscared"
Sometimes its just some dude running in your face with a scary screaming model
umbral reef
@vocal shard Odds of finding someone like that here is low. You could see if the world creator has a discord maybe
dusky crest
I don't mind jumpscares to a point, going around and just blaring people isn't funny
rigid crescent
No context, no pretense, they're just suddenly there.
dusky crest
but like to crusade against all jumpscares
rigid crescent
That's what Lolathon has done for ages...
dusky crest
not really no
umbral reef
He has though, check his older video's