vrchat-general-2

[slate verge]

some people just wants to watch the world burn because of their emo life

[covert blade]

Pumkin being a lil upset hmm?

[warped rain]

I want to watch the world burn because I'm a pyromaniac and I need help.

[snow wadi]

I said this before and I shall say it again : Using a mod? Automatically guilty.

[vocal shard]

Only a sith deals in absolute
Begone criminal

[warped rain]

But... That itself is an absolute

[pure hemlock]

I wish I could talk about my thoughts on mods vs malicious clients but I definitely hate both and always will anyone who mods in anyway should be put to death

[warped rain]

I'll start using mods if you can promise me the sweet release of death.

[covert blade]

Without people fiddling around with the game code, we wouldnt have forced kicks, forced avatars, people noclipping in Murder 2 or crashers who cant see their own avatar

[pine pilot]

first they gotta fixthe spagethi code of the game itself lmao

[covert blade]

The "fixes" that mods provide against that wouldnt be needed if it wasnt for another mod breaking it

[pure hemlock]

Yah lets ban the people with the mods protecting themselves!

They're bad

[broken plover]

lets ban mods

(chat mods haha jk)

[warped rain]

Let's just ban everyone from the game. We're all awful.

[covert blade]

Let's just close down VRC

[warped rain]

It really would be the best thing for humanity

[rigid crescent]

Didnt everyone say it was closing down already lol

[covert blade]

In a hoax, yeah

[warped rain]

Yay! We... Did it?

[hollow sluice]

nah its real

[digital marten]

With the whole avatar problem going on would I be more safe protecting my main, paid avatar by not using it in public and on private only and just use a temporary public avatar?

[hollow sluice]

corona is shutting down vrc

[pure hemlock]

But where would all the erpers and edgy teenagers go if VRChat closes down

[broken plover]

maybe its already shut down but were all in a state of misbelieve and its only still up in our imagination

[hollow sluice]

@pure hemlock your avatar has most likely been ripped already long ago

[pure hemlock]

Why meeeee

[hollow sluice]

the only way to protect it is to delete it from the game and hope that someone hasnt ripped it already

because everyones avatars have pretty much been ripped by now

[vocal shard]

9 times out of 10 no one wants to rip your model

Mostly cause they are doodoo🗿

[digital marten]

I hope so

[pure hemlock]

Eh a lot of the teenagers will rip it just to taunt you now

[hollow sluice]

well yeah but if someone just sets up a bot that does it for them than they dont really care what they rip

[rigid crescent]

Unless your model is an mmd kitbash it should be fine to begin with and very easy to get removed from unauthorized accounts

Just look at how many got banned for Melody's lol

[pure hemlock]

how many got banned

[digital marten]

Sad that I can't actually be myself in VRChat T_T

[rigid crescent]

Quite a few, it was even getting people banned who only posted screenshots on Twitter

[digital marten]

Is it because they are erp avatars?

[rigid crescent]

No, it's because it's a model from scratch

[digital marten]

Also, is this problem ever going to get resolved?

[rigid crescent]

No

[languid beacon]

Not using an avatar in public will not stop it from being stolen. Anyone can pull a list of your avatar UUIDS and then download them all. They only need to know the name of the account they are uploaded to.

[rigid crescent]

Never. Ripping will always be a problem. Stop worrying about it.

[digital marten]

Is it safe to just not play VRChat then?

Alrighty, sorry

[rigid crescent]

Go ahead and quit if you want lol

[languid beacon]

For serious if you are concerned about content theft just don’t play it.

[vocal shard]

Why worry if your model gets ripped it’s gonna happen eventually

[rigid crescent]

Worrying about ripping is silly unless you're a creator who makes things from scratch or someone with something made from scratch

[digital marten]

I mean, I guess it'll be fine; I've played for a while anyway

[rigid crescent]

You're likely just another kitbashed drop in the bucket.

[vocal shard]

Just make shitty models that no one wants to rip 😎

[pure hemlock]

Accept the reality that people suck Fluffy

[broken plover]

Just upload it publicly so ripping doesnt do anything 😎

[digital marten]

So, when did this start?

[desert stratus]

dont worry fluffy its really not the worst except for commissioners

it started ever since the first video game

model ripping is never going to end and vrchat is just as vulnerable to it as say fortnite or smash ultimate

unless future streaming services became better than stadia, nothing changes the fact that files for a 3d model need to be decrypted and loaded onto your computer in order to be rendered in-game

the only way around that is to not upload content to an online game service at all

[digital marten]

Is it actually possible you can sue them?
I'm most likely not able to do it anyway but I'm curious if someone will actually will and can do it

[desert stratus]

if you have your content licensed then yeah

[languid beacon]

Ever hear of the Streisand effect

[desert stratus]

but for themost part you can just send a DCMA and the devs will take it down from the offenders' accounts

[rigid crescent]

Someone can. Most won't. More trouble than it's worth.

[digital marten]

How can I do that then? I mean, I have proof of commission by texts and such

[desert stratus]

That too

[languid beacon]

No one wants to be your personal avatar. No one cares as much as you do. Unless you don’t want them to. Then everyone wants to.

[rigid crescent]

Is it made from scratch?

[digital marten]

Alrighty

And kinda? It's made off a base

[desert stratus]

i thin the samee way you make q moderation ticket? I dont know specifically how a DCMA takedown request works but if i had to guess you can probably just do that

[rigid crescent]

So no. That's not kinda made from scratch lol

[digital marten]

But I guess it's best not to care anyway

[desert stratus]

People mostly steal models for modification or selling them so

[rigid crescent]

Unless your model is made from scratch don't bother trying to get anything done lol

[desert stratus]

Or at least thats what it seems lkke, what with the ransom going on

Wich by th way is 100% a bluff

[digital marten]

Should I just continue as I am then instead of using another avatar in public?

[languid beacon]

Yeah it’s like ransomware that only pretends to encrypt your files and hopes you’ll pay anyway

[digital marten]

I mean yeah, they could just be using pictures

Yeah

[desert stratus]

i dont give a shit

I accept the risk that anything i upload will get stolen

Like okay

[digital marten]

It's just worrying for people who pay for their stuff

But I guess it doesnt matter

[desert stratus]

yeah i understand that

[vocal shard]

they didnt rip any models FFS

[digital marten]

It's like if you make an art project then someone copys it and takes more credit

[vocal shard]

stop spreading misinformation you monkeys

there is no real proof that they got anything from public, let alone private avatars

all they did was pull out the fucking thumbnail picture from the api and nothing else

[desert stratus]

i said that earlier but we werent talking specifically about bullshit site anyway, or at least i wasnt, i was just speaking generally about content stealing

[digital marten]

Yeah

[desert stratus]

it deffinitely does happen but i wholly agree with you that that site is a double-layered scam

[digital marten]

It's best not to give the website attention, as most say

I'd never touch it in case it tracks me down or something

It kinda gives me dark web vibes a little ngl

[languid beacon]

No reason to assume they didn’t, stealing avatars is dead easy. The bluff is that they will sell them. They don’t have the balls they’d get fined IRL so fast unless they covered the money trail. I doubt they are willing to do big boy scams. They just hope to hustle some people over email to not sell an avatar they never were going to in the first place

[umbral reef]

Bruh any of us can make that website with the same quallity

So dont give them any more credit then they should deserve fluf

[desert stratus]

Realistically they probably have stolen a fraction of what they claim, just enough to tickle some gullible people, but most likely because they wanted those avatars anyway

[digital marten]

Okay, sorry

[devout berry]

I smell sulphuric acid! Someone is toxic over here!

[digital marten]

I guess it's best to continue to play as we are then, even under the risk of our identities getting stolen or be used against us?

I mean, I've only heard content creators are getting this anyway

But you know, I shouldn't really care that much

[devout berry]

If I ever make a custom model, I am using it only in privates. On public instances, I'll still use stock Bishop robot!

[digital marten]

So, would the best plan be use paid/precious avatars in private then use others for public?

Or does it not matter?

[devout berry]

Yep for now.

[digital marten]

Okay ^^

[desert stratus]

i mean you can but like i said

[devout berry]

For now, that is only way to protect your customs.

[desert stratus]

its going to get stolen eventually. The way i see it, your avatar is as good as stolen when you upload it

Im not gonna concede to client goons and not show myself in public as a result

[vocal shard]

that logic is dumb adeon

[digital marten]

What's even the point of the "private" option in VRChat then?

[desert stratus]

why would i concede to teenagers sad 20 year somethings?

[devout berry]

In privates? Only by one of the link nabbing b*stards!

Lower chance to get it stolen.

[vocal shard]

they didn't steal anything, it's bullshit until proved otherwise
If they actually give proper proof that they ripped private avatars then alright, until then it's just bullshit

[desert stratus]

the private option works against everyone who isnt a client user

[broken plover]

cant be cloned from someobody with an unmodified vrchat client

[desert stratus]

but anything can get grabbed

from ssomeone with mods or tools

[devout berry]

I have localized the source of the acidity in this convo!

[desert stratus]

just use your avatar anyway dont concede to sweaty scammers thats dumb lol

[digital marten]

I've only heard very few asking to copy my avatar

[desert stratus]

i dont mean that in a rude way im being ggenuine, unless it was a friend's avatar i would be really hard pressed to care for more than a minute

[devout berry]

Svel, barking at people all the time will just shun them away. I bet you don't have many friends!

[digital marten]

So I guess I wont have to worry as much

[frosty veldt]

A ton of avatars in vrc are ripped from other games, you can't stop ripping. There's no point stressing about it imo

[desert stratus]

plus i can just get it taken down anyway

[digital marten]

What about paid avatars?

Like commissioned ones?

[devout berry]

Report it to the author - it is their IP.

[desert stratus]

Yeah what rampa said

[devout berry]

They can take it down, because you have it licensed, but they made it.

[desert stratus]

But i think same thing applies. Id be dead inside of i paid a lot of money for an avatar and then didnt use it

[digital marten]

Author? Like, the person who I've first commissioned?
What if I commissioned multiple people for add-ons and such? Or should I track down the original creator?

And yeah, same

[devout berry]

That is a gordic knot now!

[desert stratus]

the avatar creator would have to be the one who sends in the claim id imagine

but youd have to, you know, give them proof and talk to them anyway lol

[frosty veldt]

Whoever made the main model has the copyright to it I'd imagine. People adding on or editing don't get rights

[digital marten]

The claim? What do you mean? Like, proof and such?

Alrighty ^^

[languid beacon]

Yeah kitbashed models belong to the individual creators they were sourced from. Kitbasher owns nothing even if they edited parts of it on their own.

[umbral reef]

@frosty veldt They do, but not over everything just the part they made

[digital marten]

I mean, I've comissioned two people, one for the creation of my avatar and the other for add ons and physics

[umbral reef]

And fluffy you can contact anyone caring enough to do it then

[stuck pond]

Any one else having issues with hackers and what they do?

[digital marten]

Hm? what do you mean?

[vocal shard]

rampa, you need to mind your own business
I know you don't like me but you trying to provoke me is useless

[frosty veldt]

@umbral reef Yeah that is if they made anything. For example I've taken other people's commissions and reweighted them. I don't assume I gain any ownership over the avatar?

[umbral reef]

Ow no then

Copyright only applies if you make something
Tweaking or editing something doesnt give you anything

[stuck pond]

I was playing last night and this guy joined and changed everyone's avatar to this weird thing that makes it so you can see anything. The one I got has a discord name and some racist looking drawling

[vocal shard]

#moderation-reports if you have any proof to report him

[digital marten]

That happened to me once aswell

[vocal shard]

if you have a vrchat account, you can go login to the website and reset your avatar

[digital marten]

I mean, I want to keep my avatar and use it, you know?

[stuck pond]

Yeah cant do that because I cant are ingame

[devout berry]

I have no problem with your personality Svel, you are good person, but when you start barking, it flips my shit, because that is not nice way of communication. Try to speak nicer.

[stuck pond]

Cant see*

[vocal shard]

no

[rigid crescent]

If your model isn't made from scratch, the dev team isn't likely to do much about it nor will most legal sources. Stop worrying about it.

It's a non-issue. Your model is likely made from stolen assets anyway.

[vocal shard]

LazyScrub, if you have a vrchat account, login to the website and reset your avatar

[rigid crescent]

You won't be suing anyone over your Len edit.

[languid beacon]

Excuse me Ms. Microphone Sounders, but what if it is made from scratch? I don’t think they will do anything, even then.

[vocal shard]

if you are still stuck with the black screen

[digital marten]

Yeah, I guess. Though the design is made by me though, If I could get it made from scratch I would but it's real expensive

[vocal shard]

you own the rights to the model if it's made from scratch

[digital marten]

Ah, alright

[languid beacon]

Yeah but my point stands lol

[vocal shard]

if it's kitbashed from different parts, you don't own the original parts so its not your model per se

[umbral reef]

Also made from scratch means from nothing at all
Editing a len model to be your 'own' doesnt apply

[digital marten]

So the safe way to keep my model is by getting it made from scratch?

[vocal shard]

melody got her model stolen and put in vrchat
the mod team apaprently banned all users fairly quickly when they used it

[languid beacon]

To be honest I find self-kitbashed models more impressive than people who just commissioned a from-scratch avatar from a professional

[vocal shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/537948077810778123/686986809342820362/unknown.png

so yes, the mod team will actually do something when the model is 100% yours

shipping soon

[stuck pond]

Thank you @vocal shard

[digital marten]

Ah. So it keep myself safe I'll have to stop using my own model then and just use some other model for public or something?

[rigid crescent]

Your model will never. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever into infinity EVER be safe. Stop worrying about it dude

[vocal shard]

again, nobody cares about your model

[languid beacon]

Mine is more complicated. I created a character via kit bashing and then commissioned a professional to make the same character from scratch only using a picture reference. How do rights work in that case?

[rigid crescent]

Just chill. Use your model however you want. No one wants it. Just stop already

[vocal shard]

those script kiddies prefer the eboy / egirl avatars with ton of effect and particles

[digital marten]

I guess that's true

[vocal shard]

it's all yours adeon

[umbral reef]

@languid beacon Idea's arent copyrighted
If the base, clothes and everything got made from nothing then you own the copyright

[vocal shard]

if the model is actually OC and not some copy cat from another model

[rigid crescent]

I mean my OC is made of references using other characters. The design is what belongs to you as well as model in your case.

[digital marten]

What? But my avatar is basically an OC/Persona

[rigid crescent]

Stop.

[digital marten]

Alright, alright

Sorry

[rigid crescent]

Use your model however you want. No one wants it. Even if they do, the model doesn't belong to you.

[digital marten]

Okay

[faint skiff]

Imagine being such a twat that you'd keep telling people that have spent probably tens of hours making their avatar that they use day to day that it isn't theirs and no-one will do anything about it if it's stolen, despite clearly being unique.

[rigid crescent]

Yup

It's a kitbash. That's just how it works.

[digital marten]

Like I said, I'll stop

I'll just forget about it.

Let's just talk about something else

[faint skiff]

Not really, if it's an edit then it's still an edit and clearly unique. But that doesn't give you the right to just be a colossal cunt for hours and make everyone else even more concerned over the issue.

[umbral reef]

Imagine getting angry over people explaining how the legal system works online 🙂

VRC has no rights and can even get you in trouble if you misuse claims

[faint skiff]

Imagine literally lacking any empathy what so ever.

[digital marten]

Lets just stop.

[umbral reef]

So we should say they can do everything they want while lying?

[digital marten]

So, what's going on in VRChat that's good lately?

[faint skiff]

Are you a legal expert? Because to claim what they are saying is wrong while being equally as clueless seems rather hypocritical, doesn't it.

[umbral reef]

The latest security update was neat as fuck

[digital marten]

Animal Crossing New Horizons is coming and I'm real excited about that

[umbral reef]

Are you an legal expert 🙂

[digital marten]

I've heard it's really good

[vocal shard]

I prefer doom eternal

[faint skiff]

I'm not the one claiming to be, I was pointing out your claims also have no solid basis.

[digital marten]

Yeah, true

That game looks sick

[umbral reef]

And how do you know, your not an expert 🙂

[rigid crescent]

It's not a lack of empathy. I understand that it sucks, I have friends who create models and have had their stuff ripped, resold, etc and lost money and friends over it. I just recognize that in the long term there's nothing that can be done about it because of the nature of their actions.

[umbral reef]

Also im just gonna fuck with you. Not trying to argue in good faith if you refuse to also do it.

[faint skiff]

Because you're a childish keyboard warrior that spends most his time being an asshole to people in a VR chatroom. Not exactly someone that I'd expect to be in the legal profession.

[umbral reef]

🤔 Well i have been going to political meetings for parties here to argue about copyright laws because of how bullshit they are for over a year by now

[vocal shard]

read the rules, criminal scums

[rigid crescent]

Lol

[umbral reef]

But keyboard warrior. Thats an insult i didnt get yet.

[digital marten]

Should this convo be moved into #general-media ?

[devout berry]

No, politics are a no no!

[vocal shard]

which one fluffy ? the arguing ?
that should move to private DMs

[faint skiff]

@vocal shard You'd do well to heed your own advice considering 90% of what you say falls foul of them, specifically just being a constant shit-stirrer and trying so hard to start something constantly.

[digital marten]

Yeah, true

[rigid crescent]

Also my point is almost always

"You took these parts you have no rights to, likely broke their tos as well as vrchats, then want to complain when someone does the same to you. "

People just don't seem to understand that rippers aren't doing anything different than most creators they're just the ones affected by it so they suddenly care about "muh hard work"

[vocal shard]

Ok keyboard warrior, defender of new players and legal OCs expert

[rigid crescent]

The figurative you not the literal one. Idk what your model looks like.

[digital marten]

Anyways, shouldn't this move into DMs?

Aight, good

[vocal shard]

Nah, it's better to cry in public about how you are angry

[digital marten]

Anyways, are people still playing VRChat nowadays?

Or much anyway?

[vocal shard]

last time played : february 8
so not much for me

[umbral reef]

People in here? No idea
I mainly just world hop in private or meme in publics alone

[vocal shard]

used to play everyday for at least 4 hours

[umbral reef]

Fully stopped using my main account and dont care about the social part
Just pretty visuals for me now

[digital marten]

Yeah, metoo

Though I am considering using ASL to talk to people

But I don't really know now

Seems like a lot of work to make friends with people

[languid beacon]

Kitbashes are my favorite type of avatar. They show people’s personality and tastes far more than a comission ever will. But no, you don’t own them. It stings, because people love and get attached to their kitbashes because of how personal they can be. But it’s important to be realistic. You don’t own it.

[digital marten]

What are kitbashes by the way?

[vocal shard]

taking different parts of different models to make your avatar

[languid beacon]

It’s on Wikipedia but in a nutshell taking a pasty other models to make something entirely unique

These

Freaking

Typos

[vocal shard]

I took parts from 8 different models to make mine

it's a kitbashed model
and I don't technically own it since I didn't make any part myself, just modified them a lot

[digital marten]

Yeah, it really sucks...

[languid beacon]

Mine’s 13. Every little bit was custom modified to work together to

[digital marten]

I mean, mine if based off a persona

Or OC rather

[languid beacon]

Hat, jacket, pants, hair, shoes, glasses, hands, head, tail, bag, none of it was meant for any of the other parts

It made me learn blender and was a learning experience in how to atlas and optimize it all

Was fun but I can’t say I own it

[digital marten]

That sucks. So even if you've drawn the design before hand. if it's a kitbash model based of your own creation it's not yours?

And if you own the model too

[rigid crescent]

I used to but ever since becoming friends with artists and 3D modelers I'm like "wow I'm kinds like...doing something bad here". You can still kitbash responsibly though, it's just harder because of sourcing assets.

The design is yours. The model is not.

[vocal shard]

depend mic

[languid beacon]

And people who point out that no you don’t own your kitbashes, are not being jerks. They’re right

[vocal shard]

I used models that were okay to be modified or edited or taken apart

[languid beacon]

Doesn’t take away from how cool they are though

[vocal shard]

still not mine but didn't break any copyright stuff

[rigid crescent]

Yeah that's what I mean by doing it responsibly

[digital marten]

Could you still say you own the look and design though?

Or are those rights taken away?

[vocal shard]

yes

[rigid crescent]

You can try.

[umbral reef]

@languid beacon The game lives and breaths on kitbashed avatars or slightly edited ones so yea

[languid beacon]

Yeah I manually tracked down the 13 creator sources and cleared the rights to use it in vrc. Actually I cleared the rights to 11 of them and used it anyway

[rigid crescent]

Everything down to my textures on my shirt I got the ok to use or purchased on booth or did myself

[digital marten]

How can I track them down? Do I ask from the person who made my avatar in the first place?

[languid beacon]

I need to replace my pants otherwise my kitbashes is legal 👖 hard finding good cargo pants model

[rigid crescent]

You probably can't evenost plain clothes avatars use assets from games like kmmos or the Sims

[languid beacon]

Yeah the problem is when you don’t know the source you can’t get permission

[digital marten]

My avatar's shirt is based from a shirt from hot topic, I know that

So should I get the rights from other people from using the parts in my avatar too?

[languid beacon]

I ended up doing a commission to save myself drama/legal trouble

“Ever asset uploaded to vrc will be property of VRChat” people quote this a lot. It’s true but property does not mean they own copyright

[digital marten]

What about the design of the avatar/model?

It's backtracked to an OC of mine

[languid beacon]

It’s also NOT property of VRChat if the uploader lied when the checked the upload checkbox “I have the rights to upload this content”

That voids it all because they lied

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard Property of VRC? Thats not how it works and even if they wrote it in there ToS like that it still would not work like that.

[languid beacon]

Property does not mean copyright ownership people misunderstand it in TOS’s all the time

Art sites say the same

[umbral reef]

They say it so they can show the model to other users after you uploaded it
They technically cant show any works from you unless you give them permission.

[rough pulsar]

Yeah, people get it all wrong. https://vrchat.com/legal
Section 7.2 is the area of interest here

If you actually sit down and read it, you'll understand that you're granting VRChat permission to store and transfer your content so others can download it and generally make VRC functional with your stuff.

[vocal shard]

😂

[umbral reef]

Like copyright is a lot of bullshit
But small parts are not dumb

[digital marten]

What? So even fi my avatar is in private VRChat can still use it and kind of steal it?

I guess?

[umbral reef]

Just read what gallium linked

[devout berry]

The problem is, that when people see legal section of ToS, usually they will just think "I am no lawyer, so I don't understand!" and just ignore it.

[desert stratus]

no, that's not what the TOS means @digital marten . Essentially VRChat is making the same deal that a youtuber does when they ask if they can use someone's music in their video. you, the content creator, give VRChat the permission to store that content and use it for the game. This doesn't mean that it's going to give your avatar away

[languid beacon]

What good is uploading an avatar if no other user is able to see it! Other users need to be able to see you wearing the avatar. In order to do that vrc must store your avatar as well as send it to other people so they can render it and see you. In order to do that they need your permission. You give them that permission by agreeing to the TOS. @digital marten

[rough pulsar]

@digital marten No. What section 7.2 of VRC's TOS says is you're granting them (VRC) permission to store (the avatar/world packages on their servers) and transmit (allow other users to download so they can see) your content.

[desert stratus]

the wording of "download" might be a bit confusing, but its reffering to download

gallium beat me to it

[rough pulsar]

If such rights were not granted to VRC they would be breaking copyright law by accepting uploads and distributing your avatar/world to other users to view.

[umbral reef]

host, store, transfer, display, perform, reproduce, modify for the purpose of formatting for display, and distribute your User Content, in whole or in part
Tl;dr they are not facebook or twitter who go past that

They legit just want to display your content

[desert stratus]

download =/= give users your content, the TOS states that you own the content and give VRC rights to do stuff with it. But other users need to download said content anyway so they can see it. You need to download other user's worlds and avatars, private or not, if you want to see them. And vice versa

[languid beacon]

Also the “formatting” is needed because of the performance settings. They modify it when they remove dynamic bones etc

[umbral reef]

You retain copyright and any other proprietary rights that you may hold in the User Content you post to the Service. in the 7.1 [art

[digital marten]

Ah. But they're not really giving it to other people just so they can see me, right? It's just showing them my appearance but they're not able to use my avatar for themselves?

[rough pulsar]

And in section 7.5 when deleted the agreement with VRC for that particular piece of work is terminated.

[umbral reef]

Like, my legal speak isnt always too great. I really struggle with most documents because they make it overly complex and unreadable
But VRC's one isnt made to fuck you over and is fairly clear in what it allowes them to and does not

[rough pulsar]

Use rights are not granted to anyone else, only to VRC for purposes of transmission and storage (and some technicalities associated with that) @digital marten

[digital marten]

Okay, good ^^

Thank you guys so much for the information btw~!

[languid beacon]

Fluffy doesn’t understand how games work

[desert stratus]

To answer your earlier question @digital marten

[languid beacon]

Yes they need to send your model to other people so they can see you in the game

[digital marten]

Well, yeah, I dont. Sorry...

[desert stratus]

If you join a world and theres a guy in there with a private avatar, you have to download it

The data gets sent to your PC so your CPU and GPU can do the thing and render that avatar visible in game

[languid beacon]

Some people think games are like video streams but no everyone is rendering the game themselves and they all get their own copy of everyone’s models

[devout berry]

Those scumm just rip it from the cached data.

[vocal shard]

it's ok fluffly, just enjoy yourself and don't stress about that stuff

[desert stratus]

This is unavoidable. But VRChat does not intend to send this data in a way that is editable or for the purpose of you being able to take it out and edit it or claim it for yourself

[digital marten]

Thank you, Svel ^^

[desert stratus]

but you still need that data if you want to see that avatar

it's like

[digital marten]

Okay, I understand now ^^

I just wanted to make sure that things are clear for me

But I understand ^^

[languid beacon]

Unfortunately the data you get when you request to see an avatar can be stored and the unity project recovered. But people who do that are 💩

[desert stratus]

Are you a 2d artist fluffy? Its like the difference between sending a .png image of a completed work vs. The photoshop or firealpaca project it was made in

You give vrchat permission to store and send the image, not the project

[digital marten]

Alrighty, I gotcha ^^

[desert stratus]

mhm mhm :3

[devout berry]

Just put some 💩 into it, and it will mess with their Unity. But that can be already classified as malware, couldn't it?

[digital marten]

And yeah, I'm kinda of an artist ^^ and I say that because I don't share my content much due to fear of it being stolen

[desert stratus]

undersansable

dont make malware thats gayg

[warped rain]

Oh shit! Malware production down 💯%!!!

[devout berry]

I thought of a one way to maybe secure projects a little - make a key plugin, that you would have to load before the package, otherwise a macro would run and selfdestruct the project.

[desert stratus]

project killers

[devout berry]

Yep. Self destructing content, when not presented with a right key package.

Because you can't get the key, because you wouldn't upload it with the model.

You would have to literally defuse it, or it would go BOOM!

[languid beacon]

I see avatars the same as profile pictures. Easy to steal but if you make it personal no one else can use it without feeling like they are being an imposter.

[devout berry]

And also when defused, the key plugin would decrypt it.

So, add encryption into the mix.

You would have 2 security levels - 1) stop the package from self destruct, 2) decrypt the content.

[desert stratus]

I ned dto start logging the names and credits of the artists i get my pfps from since i either screenshot underrated manga, anime, or pixiv dudebros to get them

[umbral reef]

Sooo encryption like we have right now
But just more complex with the same result?

[devout berry]

Shoot! Forgot that you could decrypt that outside Unity!

[valid zephyr]

hi

[vocal shard]

I remember someone that made a modded client that would check different stuff about the user

and if you didn't have the proper name and other info, the avatar would self-crash

[devout berry]

LOL! That should be implemented into live - give avatar maker the choice to lock the avatar on themselves. Maybe just change the crash for something else.

A warning screen and reset to robot for example.

@vocal shard

[languid beacon]

If only udon were allowed on avatars. Just make a script that makes the avatar invisible if the true owner is not in the instance

[desert stratus]

Make the avatar invisble and add a capsule only visible to other players in the room that says "i steal avatars and rob independent and small artists"

[languid beacon]

For fun I made a public version of my avatar but didn’t put it on a pedestal and never wore it. If someone used a modified client to wear it would just be a really sloppy low poly version that said stolen from Adeon

[devout berry]

Good one!

[iron hawk]

hi im new to vrchat and i dont know where i can find worlds with many people in... can someone help me please?

[devout berry]

Maybe it is advisable to try hangout with people from this Discord server more than trying publics @iron hawk . Mostly, you will find kindergarteners or crashers.

[desert stratus]

Open your menu. Click on worlds. Browse the ones with a shitload of people.

Avoid the room of the rain and the most popular world at the moment

[devout berry]

Somehow, we became Fortnite 2.0!

[desert stratus]

Dont ask

[languid beacon]

It worked a little too well https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/442444657428004866/687007354759282706/image0.png

[iron hawk]

thank you! :)

[desert stratus]

Holy shit it works

[devout berry]

@languid beacon LMAO! Someone really cought on the bait! 🤣

[hollow sluice]

yeah I wish you could do this on any avatar with udon

[devout berry]

Just run around with "Index sleeves" and no one will even try to steal! 🤣

[hollow sluice]

I was actually thinking

I kinda want to make a psychic version of the avatar that has the sleeves floating around it in the air. I think that would look pretty neat

[devout berry]

Yep.

[languid beacon]

What’s an index sleeve?

[devout berry]

Me joking about his protest about Index being out of stock.

He made his sleves on avatar *2 long for every week out of stock. It ended by being stopped by the dynamic bone max render area around avatar. @languid beacon

[fringe bolt]

Does anyone know how many units of the Index have been sold? Or somewhere I can, and other headsets, I'm curious how many they've sold.

[devout berry]

Currently sold out again. Not sure where you can get the numbers.

[fringe bolt]

Lol sold out in 1 day.

You still can order them on steam tho?
Or at least that's what it shows.

[devout berry]

It was in about 30 minutes if I remeber the convo in this server right.

Btw, you can expect that there were scalpers with bots.

[fringe bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669865584900571176/687016381094428732/unknown.png

This is what it shows for me

[devout berry]

I get access denied - cannot access the pic.

[covert blade]

Probs has been deleted from the original source

[pseudo basalt]

means it was deleted

[devout berry]

Thought so.

[covert blade]

When you upload a picture and copy the link, you do not delete the picture

[fringe bolt]

O

H

Mb

[vocal shard]

How can i take selifes on vrchat or record myself like being in front of a mirror without actually being in front of a mirror? (assuming this is even possible)

[fringe bolt]

Camera?

[vocal shard]

forgot to mention that i'm new to the game

is there a camera?

[languid beacon]

I have index in the waiting list now I still need to get my hands on a 128 Quest and I will have all the infinity stones / chaos emeralds

Sold out on 1 day? I ordered it 1 minute after it was posted and it was already sold out I’m at a 8 week wait

It was sold out in less than a second lol

I mean, you care or you wouldn’t have replied so thx

[hollow ingot]

Still a waste of time typing this

[languid beacon]

You care enough to respond and that is good enough for me ❤️

[frosty veldt]

@vocal shard There is a camera in the main hand menu, but only if you're in VR

[languid beacon]

I appreciate you

[rigid crescent]

what about the pimax

[languid beacon]

No one cares about the master emerald

[vocal shard]

Hello, anyone know how to fix my problem?

[languid beacon]

Sorry it’s impossible. We don’t know the problem

[rigid crescent]

with what little sonic lore i know, that makes perfect sense

[vocal shard]

Well, i spawn in through the floor and cant move up or down

[languid beacon]

I mean I can just start talking about sonic lore and make everyone leave

[wet notch]

Heyy!

Why VRchat is lagging ?! 😥

[warped rain]

@languid beacon that just made me want to stay.

[languid beacon]

Hi ixfallensolder headset ? And what version of VRChat

[vocal shard]

Desktop

[languid beacon]

Sonic is a cartoon! They don’t have genitals. They reproduce by making sequels that introduce new characters.

If you are in the floor on desktop the avatar is improperly made, most likely a view position was not set

[vocal shard]

It was working fine yesterday and then it just happend out of nowhere

[languid beacon]

Is it your avatar upload? Otherwise the uploader could have updated it and accidentally broke it

[rigid crescent]

i feel like im one of the few people that just dislikes the sonic series for reasons unrelated to the fanbase

[vocal shard]

I cant accesses portals or my menu at all

[rigid crescent]

like yall really out there letting them release literal garbage for years in a row like nothing is wrong? smh

[languid beacon]

Then you are one of the few people that dislike sonic for a legitimate reason!

[rigid crescent]

comic fans get a pass

[languid beacon]

I’m a fan of the 2D games exclusively

[rigid crescent]

i like uhhh

the first one, the one with the black knuckles cartridge and the one before that

[languid beacon]

I stopped when they went 3D

[rigid crescent]

Adventure was cool but thats probably nostalgia tbh

but it was cool at the time

[languid beacon]

I’m old enough that the people my age are making games now so it’s nice seeing a return to form, not just in sonic but in indie games too

[rigid crescent]

its really sad when a team of like twelve 20something year olds could probably make a better sonic game than a massive studio with millions in funding lol

lol companies should just start outsourcing work to indie devs

for more traditional 2D gaming at least

[languid beacon]

I don’t think it’s sad. You are hiring the people who best know what people want. Exactly who is supposed to make them. Anyone else is a less ideal choice

[warped rain]

Just you wait. The next big sonic game from the Studios, "Sonic of Assassin's Duty Theft Auto" is just the kind of fresh air that can breath new life into the franchise. It's what all the kids will want.

[rigid crescent]

Like there's a difference between a bad game and your average sonic game

Story aside, they're like a huge huge mess

[desert stratus]

it's sad because sonic games sound really kick ass in theory

and then it's like. where are the level designers

[languid beacon]

It’s like the days of comics. People hate Rob Lorefield now, but hiring a 16 year old to draw your comics was the best you could do as he makes the things the other kids want to see and they ate it up

[rigid crescent]

Ughhh comics now 💤 90s/early 2000s was like the best

there was a sweet spot where most major releases were pretty cool then it was all down hill to what we've got now lol

[languid beacon]

I liked comics as art I was never into the stories. Just give me something that lools like a cool poster on every page

The tos says they are allowed to modify your upload that means removing scripts is ok

Nope. It’s pretty much a blanket statement: “ host, store, transfer, display, perform, reproduce, modify for the purpose of formatting for display, and distribute your User Content, in whole or in part

Did I post on wrong chat I swear messages just vanished

[ruby needle]

No

You posted in the right channel

[vale vale]

Just a quick question

[languid beacon]

Quick answer!

[vale vale]

Can vrchat recover an account if a vrchat hacker banned it?

[languid beacon]

Yes

[vale vale]

Not banned rn

Oh really?

[languid beacon]

Though I do have to clarify that a hacker cannot ban it but in the event one did yes they could reverse it

[vale vale]

There's a guy dropping portals right onto people, and the world straight up bans you if you go in

[languid beacon]

I’m suspicious that that is true. However if it is then yes of course they would undo it if properly reported to the right emails

[e-mail]

[ruby needle]

close the game and start it up again

maybe need to reset your avatar if they forced you into one that displays a fake ban message

[languid beacon]

Oh clever devils

[ruby needle]

You can identify that by loading into the world for a split second and then beeing banned

official ban's will also show so on the website, and directly on login.

[languid beacon]

I think world-forced avatars probably shouldn’t be persistent across sessions. Might be a debate there though

[pseudo basalt]

and then avatar worlds are dead

just put a reset avatar button on the loading screen

[rigid crescent]

i wonder how instant the avatar reset is

You've reset your avatar to default! You'll see this change next time you load into a world.

oh wow thats fast

[pseudo basalt]

triping made a world to reset it

[rigid crescent]

oh, nevermind it's not fast. i keep changing worlds and its the same

[pseudo basalt]

where are you doing it

[rigid crescent]

the website?

[pseudo basalt]

oh, well it's some weird API thing

[vocal shard]

Great, I can say what I wanna say.

[rigid crescent]

maybe after a relog

[pseudo basalt]

pretty sure when doing the reset short cut

it's local so it doesn't actually reset in the api

but from the website best bet is just restart the game

[rigid crescent]

yeah needed a restart

[pseudo basalt]

or find triping's world. i think mine works now too as i changed it to use the same rpc as his

[vocal shard]

So sexual content is now allowed in VRChat, right?

[pseudo basalt]

no

[rigid crescent]

what would make you think that

[ruby needle]

Where did you get that from?

[vocal shard]

it says in-game.

[rigid crescent]

oh not allowed

[vocal shard]

Unless you don't read the rules.

[ruby needle]

it isn't and it doesn't no.

[rigid crescent]

did you mean not allowed?

[vocal shard]

yeah.

[rigid crescent]

ok then yeah, it's not allowed

[ruby needle]

Yep, it's not allowed

[pseudo basalt]

it's not officially allowed but if you look around

well...

[rigid crescent]

they're very lenient on what they actually allow 🙂

[vocal shard]

then why do people ERP?

or have like "hentai" avatars.

[ruby needle]

Regardless of how much you look around... it's still not allowed.

[vocal shard]

when it ain't allowed.

[rigid crescent]

Because they don't get caught.

Just because something isn't allowed doesn't mean people won't do it.

[vocal shard]

well, it should still be punished, if someone at least has proof.

[pseudo basalt]

half naked public avatars running around 💤

[ruby needle]

It is getting punished if you report someone with proof

[rigid crescent]

Then prove it and if the moderation team deems it worthy of action then they'll take action.

[ruby needle]

even if it was a private instance

(those are not excluded from that rule!)

[umbral reef]

Only if its nudity
Anything else highly suggested gets pretty much ignored

[vocal shard]

alright, thanks for that.

I was just tryin' to get that off my chest...

that's my only problem with VRChat, other then no in-game chat for micless people.

[rigid crescent]

I always wonder why they're super lenient on suggestive public avatars, not that I really care either way. More of a curiosity

[indigo fern]

you better keep it on your chest before i report you for nudity

[vocal shard]

Lmao.

[rigid crescent]

Like those avatars with pasties and visible nip-skin yknow?

[pseudo basalt]

probably a mix of lazy and knowing their core audience

[ruby needle]

ingame chat would be horrible

[vocal shard]

Yeah.

I think it would be great.

[rigid crescent]

well I understand some things go under the radar because "I mean it's VRChat"

[vocal shard]

I don't have a mic, so it's harder to interact with others.

[rigid crescent]

but if you're caught that really should be it lol

[ruby needle]

this is a immersive vr game after all.

[umbral reef]

@rigid crescent That means having rules for it whats a lot harder to get clear

[vocal shard]

I think I started a riot.

[umbral reef]

Unless they want to handle it harsh, what they kinda cant do anymore

[vocal shard]

My bad....

[rigid crescent]

Calm down, we're just having a conversation

People really can't handle discussions, can they?...

[vocal shard]

If my anxiety lets me, then sure.

[pseudo basalt]

who doesn't have a microphone in 2020

[broken plover]

broke bois

[vocal shard]

I don't? well I don't know how to set it up, that's what I mean.

[rigid crescent]

Anyway, they don't need anything concrete, it's in the nature of the rule as they are anyway to be somewhat vague. just make little examples here and there

[umbral reef]

They already cant properly moderate things at times
You think having a more vague rule helps them internally?

[vocal shard]

Yes.

[rigid crescent]

The vague rules as they are now are fine for moderating that type of content lol

[umbral reef]

Like im all for banning suggestive bullshit

[indigo fern]

the loading screens already have some rules there and people dont even read those lmao

[vocal shard]

I read 'em?

[pseudo basalt]

are you suggesting things

that's suggestive my dude you're getting reported

[vocal shard]

am I being suggestive?

[rigid crescent]

Moderating all public avatars is an impossible pipe dream people have, but taking action against reports is a whole different story.

[vocal shard]

Oh, so you're reporting me? @pseudo basalt ( Jojo pun. )

[ruby needle]

I dont get it.

[vocal shard]

-Giorno's theme plays-

[ruby needle]

But thats fine, because i dont get it.

[indigo fern]

go home paul

[vocal shard]

Oh, the official one is, "Oh, so you're approaching me?"

[broken plover]

I never watched jojo and I dont plan on doing so 😎

[pseudo basalt]

Me neither but that's okay

[vocal shard]

Oml.

[pseudo basalt]

i appreciate it regardless

[vocal shard]

well, you're welcome, I guess?

Also, I'm fairly new to VRchat.

I played it in the past, then I quit,

so I consider myself new.

[languid beacon]

Worlds forcing a avatar change is different from a pedestal doing it. They could be distinguished. If a world changes you (which is how trolls do it), don’t persist when relogging.

Pedestals continue to work as normal

[vocal shard]

The only avatar/s I use are, Itachi Uchiha, Kakashi Hatake, Goku, a Soviet conscript Loli, and like a bananna.

[languid beacon]

The official rule is nsfw/porn/adult content not allowed. What’s done behind closed doors no one can control. But if it’s not kept behind closed doors it’s your fault because now you broke the rules and were found out.

But really it’s not allowed. Be adults and be smart and don’t break the rules. What two consenting adults do in private is no one’s business but if it isn’t kept in private and under consent you are breaking the rules.

[vocal shard]

?

how can a child be an adult, when they aren't an adult.

[languid beacon]

Responding to adult/nsfw question and then chat scrolled

[vocal shard]

that makes no sense, please use logic.

OH, that was mine.

[languid beacon]

Yeah. Nsfw is absolutely not allowed. If you wanna do things private instances and everyone agrees not to report it, no one will ever know, but it’s at your own risk. It IS against the rules.

[vocal shard]

So ERP is allowed?

What the frick.

[covert blade]

No

[languid beacon]

If everyone in earshot consents there is no issue

[vocal shard]

Just don’t get caught

[languid beacon]

If anyone doesn’t they are free to report it

[covert blade]

It is never allowed
Doesnt stop you from not doing it anyways tho

[vocal shard]

who said i wanted to Erp, I stopped erping a looong time ago.

You’re 15 you shouldn’t have any in the first place

well I was 13 at the time.

[covert blade]

German saying: "Wo kein Kläger da kein Richter"
If there's no one around complaining about it and reporting you, no one's gonna punish you

[vocal shard]

🧢

I tip my hat to all of you.

[covert blade]

*Spelling

Did a goof

[vocal shard]

y'all are nicer to me then anyone else I've met so far.

[covert blade]

[vocal shard]

Arigato, my dudes, and gamer girls.

I’ve been pretty passive aggressive mostly cause you’re somewhat annoying tbh

I'm sorry, that's anxiety kicking in....

I'll be less annoying.

[covert blade]

Oh that saying exists in English too
"no plaintiff, no judge"

[vocal shard]

What does that mean?

[languid beacon]

I always just hear “it’s only illegal if you get caught” but I mean. Come on.

[vocal shard]

That I'm off the hook?

[covert blade]

Pretty much Adeon

There's a rule to breaking rules, and that is to not get caught

[vocal shard]

Arigato, senpai. ( lol. )

It’s like speeding most people do it but it’s illegal

[covert blade]

Which is why it's pretty stupid to ever admit that you did break them at one point in time but I guess it's fine in this case, but what do I know

[vocal shard]

I call people who are older then me Senpai, without context.

[lucid tendon]

There's a rule to breaking rules, and that is to not get caught
@covert blade

I like the way you think

[covert blade]

I mean, it's true lol

Now of course that doesn't mean that you should go around and try to break as many rules as possible without getting caught :X

[vocal shard]

ok, on to something else.

[covert blade]

That being?

The only thing I can talk about right now isn't VRChat related at all, and I can't even say much about it

[vocal shard]

we could talk about WWII history?

[lucid tendon]

Sasha hinting at secret projects

[umbral reef]

That would be a pretty yikes topic with the rules

And that comes from someone who often talks about things against the rules

[indigo fern]

And especially since this channel is for vrc related topics

[vocal shard]

Why not WWII?

It's interesting.

Sure it's sad, and stuff, but it's fun to learn about.

Btw, have y'all watched "Midway"?

[covert blade]

It doesnt have anything to do with VRChat

[vocal shard]

True, but there's always dms?

HHHMMMM!?

Talk about World war Two in dms I will.

anyone having difficulties loading worlds?

Nope, it's probably you havin' a crappy pc.

My pc is a windows 10 pro, it's crappy but runs Vrchat fairly well

uhhh

I'm talking about atm, I usually run 120fps in every world i go to and load them instantly so, lol

Oh.

Silly me.

I think there are Problems at the moment

I dont come into worlds too

[languid beacon]

VRChat works fine for me and I have no Pc 😉

[indigo fern]

flex

[vocal shard]

Nothing be working for me lol

[dark elk]

is anyone else seeing the 2 world with a discord link filled with people?

[tulip oxide]

yes

what is it

[nocturne bear]

👀

[tulip oxide]

has any one been there

[fossil root]

if I do go there, Imma make sure to use an alt and a vpn. dont want that shit tied to my main acc whatever it is

[languid beacon]

Plausible deniability. You aren’t going to get in trouble for something anyone curious would have investigated

If anything using a vpn and alts makes you look like a bot

[dreamy salmon]

We went to that world, it looks like an actual legit world thats had its name and thumbnail changed

[ivory folio]

It looks like it's a real map and a real author, I guess they were hijacked

[dreamy salmon]

^

[languid beacon]

Looks like the active worlds metrics need a bit of work to prevent botting

[wheat sandal]

Is there a way to only see your avatar with streamer cam?

[languid beacon]

I’m pretty sure it’s one of the filters

[fossil root]

is there actually a local-only filter?

[languid beacon]

Choice of green or transparent background

Hm it might be all avatars not sure

[fossil root]

yeah, theyre not asking for the greenscreen

[wheat sandal]

I mean to not see other avatars in your cam

[fossil root]

which shows other avatars in the cam

[ivory folio]

I don't think they can change the metrics, there's no way of distinguishing a bot join vs a player join

[languid beacon]

Worth a feature request. Would be easy. Just a custom layer view

[pseudo basalt]

Kinda doubt they'll touch the camera any time soon

The buttons still don't even work well

[fossil root]

I mean, you can create your own avatar with a camera and shader on it

[languid beacon]

Easy does not mean they’ll do it but my point stands heh

[fossil root]

but then itll show to your friends

[languid beacon]

Can’t you put objects on local only layer?

[pseudo basalt]

Should be able to

But aren't the local versions of other people's avatars also local

[languid beacon]

Depends if they were smart about it

Never tried!

I do know local only huds are possible

[blazing patio]

game is messing up again

[barren brook]

dammit i went to bed this morning because server issues and i wake up to them again

has it been like this for 12 hours now

[midnight niche]

yuup, was online and got booted again just like last night :C

[celest pilot]

why vrchat being scuffed :c

[vocal shard]

oof

[split bone]

What happened

I can’t get back onto vrchat

Is it just me or

[zinc ginkgo]

no

it broken

[split bone]

Reeee

I was watching a movie too

[zinc ginkgo]

damn

i just got done setting up fullbody

[split bone]

I want to join my friend with no problems

When I try to join my home world when I log in my screen goes black

[zinc ginkgo]

same

[barren brook]

from what ive noticed the problem isnt much about general connectivity-- which is quite weird.

[split bone]

So is it happening to everyone

[barren brook]

Last night, when i somehow managed to get into a world, i stayed in there just fine,

[split bone]

Basically

[vocal shard]

yes

[stable kite]

it is to me

[split bone]

It’s broken for me

[barren brook]

So the problem is likely about trying to connect to worlds

[split bone]

I managed to get in one time then tried to join my fiend

Friend*

Then it broke

[zinc ginkgo]

its bac?

[stable kite]

can some one get on this

[split bone]

No

[zinc ginkgo]

im in my home

[split bone]

I’m not

Maybe I need to reset vrchat

[stable kite]

tryed

nothin

[split bone]

Wait is it fixed idle

idk* it logged me in but then it still has that vrchat log in sound

with black

[bitter plover]

who do i go to for help

[stable kite]

yea same

[split bone]

Uh the team

[dense tree]

soooo

we ded?

[split bone]

One of the team members

[zinc ginkgo]

i joined someone and it black

[split bone]

Ik

That’s what happened to me

[zinc ginkgo]

ye

[split bone]

My thing won’t load me in

[stable kite]

same

[split bone]

Do we pm team member

For help or

We ping ?

[stable kite]

@placid umbra im so sorry for the ping

[astral escarp]

theyll get notified

[zinc ginkgo]

im sure they know about it

[astral escarp]

let em do their thing

[split bone]

They know about this?

[zinc ginkgo]

yea

they arent too bad

hehe

[split bone]

I keep trying to see if it fixed

It’s not fixing

[midnight niche]

yuuup exact same issue i was having last night. boo....

[barren brook]

im pretty sure if they knew about it

they would have tweeted something on the server status twitter by now

its been half a day

[languid beacon]

NowInStock has been spamming me with emails all day saying Walmart has quests in stock but it’s never there when I check

[tacit plank]

this issue is at least mostly recent

many recent reports

[fluid lion]

Why every time I want to get into vr it keeps disconnecting me from the servers

[scenic briar]

i havent been on in like 3 days i come back and its broken

[meager cosmos]

Anybody else having problems?

[faint gust]

^ Seems connecting to the servers is a matter of faith atm.

[bitter moth]

just started happening to me today

[barren brook]

there is indeed an issue with connecting to servers

but only connecting oddly enough

been like that since like 4 am cst

[vocal shard]

I've also noticed that some world icons are replaced with most likely malicious discord links

[barren brook]

i dont want to say we're getting ddos'd but it is a possibility

[vocal shard]

I'm probably going to avoid getting on for now

[velvet quarry]

World icons are not being replaced, it was two worlds with them that appears to have been taken down

[vocal shard]

I'm on the VRC website and I can see random worlds being replaced with them

[meager cosmos]

What were the discords about?

[velvet quarry]

Looked through all the world tabs on the website, and I see no world with any image like that, are you sure your browser isn't acting up?

[untold hearth]

^

[vocal shard]

I've refreshed and tried two browsers and I see it

[pseudo wolf]

Am I the only one that isn’t able to get on VRChat?

[barren brook]

screenshots? @vocal shard

[velvet quarry]

I'd prefer that images containing that discord link not be posted for the moment

[barren brook]

also no, literally everyone here is havving connectivity issues @pseudo wolf

[pseudo wolf]

Ah

[barren brook]

you can blur them out

but i'd like to see some form of proof

[meager cosmos]

What was the discord about

[vocal shard]

Happens very randomly but I'll see if I can get one

[bitter moth]

i got in

and it broke

[warped rain]

Why did you break it?

[bitter moth]

just tried to join someone

[vocal shard]

Might have been a bug after all, I don't see it happen anymore after a refresh

[winged canopy]

Still happening for me :[

[calm wraith]

what the heck same here

[warped rain]

um don't swear on my Christian VRChat server please. Please say h*ck instead. Thank you.

[meager cosmos]

I'm honestly surprised furhub hasn't had it happen to it.

finnaly

avalis

[old pike]

finally arrived

[meager cosmos]

owo

[warped rain]

I saw your shame.

You may have deleted it. But I saw.

And I'm judging.

[ruby needle]

@polar jasper shush, one allready vanished. Other followed

[polar jasper]

;D

[ruby needle]

[small wing]

vrchat goes down right when i'm about to test. god help me

I just wanna become anime

why is life so cruel

headpats pls

[velvet quarry]

Why Anime when you could have Physically Based Rendering

[quiet perch]

headpat machine broke

[lucid tendon]

Has anyone had an issue where their screen goes black besides their reticule and push to talk symbols when they enter certain maps?

I get this whenever I try to connect to Void Club via portal or direct connect

[small wing]

Give me path traced GI with an adaptive ray epsilon and we got a deal, but i still wanna keep the tiddy @velvet quarry

😉

@lucid tendon I had that issue about a year ago, not sure what fixed it for me though.

It just sorta went away for me before I could pin it down

I still gotta say tho, Tupper saves my ass so much pain with those announcements.

Imagine if I actually tried to go and test my stuff right now. That would be a lot of frustration not being able to connect. D:

Would be a major tease

[lucid tendon]

Hmm I see

I figured it was just some weird thing, nice to know it hasn't just been me.

[small wing]

Could be a combination of things

Try clearing Cache, reinstalling redistributables, and making sure your drivers are all up to date.

Nvidia does a lot of weird stuff whenever i'm an update behind.

Also another issue I still cant seem to fix, every so often the hands in oculus home break the culling and I have to reinstall direct x to fix it.

But thats like every week for me so I just stopped doing it

[forest snow]

One does not simply install DirectX

Considering it's a core component of Windows

[ruby needle]

uhm

[lean yew]

Bruh every time I try to join a world it blackscreens and shows little white dots -_-

[ruby needle]

DirectX Installers do exist. Tho more the older versions.

[forest snow]

DX9 requires installation but good thing VRChat runs on 11

10+ is a core component of Windows though and removing it would cause a lot of problems

[scenic briar]

you know what my biggest pet pieve of this discord specifically is?

retards that decide to post and ask if they are the only one having problems, instead of fucking using their brain and reading in which they would plainly see thats all thats been talked about for hours.

[small wing]

Raven I regret to inform you, but this is the internet.

[scenic briar]

and its not just because i have text to speech set up on this discord waiting for the Fix to come while i watch youtube in the background. its because its a genuinely annoying thing for people to do.

[small wing]

🤔 That sounds like shooting yourself in the foot

[vocal shard]

The temptation is real...

[scenic briar]

XD maybe it is

[small wing]

To eat chocolate?

I get tempted to eat chocolate all the time.

[sterile ingot]

Cheesecake

[small wing]

yo, cheesecake is bomb

[pure hemlock]

Oof raven never go work in IT thank you

[scenic briar]

no

never be a Indian scam worker. But hey at least you can chill and play pac-man while doing it

someone that has seen the video i have will get that last comment

[pure hemlock]

Btw raven can you help me I'm having a problem with my fridge

[scenic briar]

the rest of you can fuck off

[tame seal]

Can someone help me in #avatars-2-general ?

[scenic briar]

thats another pet peeve even though ive done it myself. c-killer

[pure hemlock]

In fact I'll do that for free come here

[scenic briar]

no you simp...... im not fueling your fetish

[pure hemlock]

I will pay you

[scenic briar]

digusting

[sterile ingot]

🧂

[scenic briar]

https://tenor.com/view/see-it-like-final-hamster-scared-gif-14498643

💩

[worthy dock]

shits went from 0 to 100 pretty fucking quick

[sterile ingot]

I want to be 23 again.

[scenic briar]

your fucking picture is renamon i should of known what i was into

[pure hemlock]

You should've honestly shame on you

[scenic briar]

._.

[pure hemlock]

You want to join?

[scenic briar]

i wasnt talking to you

keep up dark

i said try to keep up your not reading the chat well

im gonna go

[pure hemlock]

Okay talk to you later

[scenic briar]

._. no you wont

[pure hemlock]

Im your friend now

[sterile ingot]

friend stalker* jk 😛

[pure hemlock]

two fingers is all i need

[small wing]

that sounds kinky

[velvet quarry]

Was a lot less kinky before I deleted half the conversation, this aint #general-media fellas, and even there I don't think most of that would really fly.

[analog canopy]

Hello I'd like to order udon

[scenic briar]

Hello I'd like to order the 2018 update without udon. Because ive waiting long enough for better performance that should of came out last year during Christmas. and because Udon is less important and isnt needed currently and we shoudln't to wait to have our cores unlocked

[indigo fern]

That's a run on sentence

[vocal shard]

[analog canopy]

I mean I'd rather a package deal then two massive updates imo, have gone through 5.6 to 2017, and the hell 2018 then presumably udon will do.

[vocal shard]

I think they're waiting for something on Unity's end

[ruby needle]

Yes.

[scenic briar]

dam straight its a run on sentence.

[ruby needle]

We're not waiting for UDON, that'll be beta for a while presumably.

[scenic briar]

its a discord chat and i dont care.

[analog canopy]

Grumpy

[indigo fern]

But you do care to put punctuation, so I'm getting mixed messages

[scenic briar]

ill try here and there but overall i dont give a crap about all the specifics.

[analog canopy]

Either way I look forward to udon and the crazy things people will be able to make

[scenic briar]

i heard we are waiting on unity to do something that they just dont seem to want to do. that will make udon work properly. I was told i would be able to use the full power of my cpu and gpu last Christmas and im sick of waiting. I could scream

[analog canopy]

Here, I'll help, ahhhhhh

[scenic briar]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-omg-holy-crap-holy-shit-wtf-gif-5018722

[ruby needle]

[indigo fern]

unity has been working with vrc through bugs tho

5 lts updates have came out since november

before a lot of our shaders were gonna be fucked, but they sorted out that issue too

[sour fog]

fortnite dances

[indigo fern]

they even helped with last upgrade too, 5.6 to 2017

[scenic briar]

then wtf is the problem? why have we waited for multiple months if its so easy for them to help

[indigo fern]

its not easy, im just saying they are helping and constantly

theyre not just sitting watching us with our fingers in each others asses

[analog canopy]

Though knowing vrchat... they might be

[indigo fern]

well, they might be watching, but besides the point

[frosty veldt]

Current known bugs in .18 are lag when multiple animations are playing and scripts not remembering their settings when removed

At least bugs that imo are a problem for VRC

[meager solstice]

I mean people can look at steamdb to see if vrc is actually doing stuff

[frosty veldt]

Well its not on VRC right now. We are waiting on unity.

[meager solstice]

Ye I’m well aware but some people think vrc does nothing

[frosty veldt]

Cant help the people that don't look, but I can understand why some would think vrc is to blame

I mean they just did the new status symbol stuff

[meager solstice]

I mean vrc is also working out their own bugs, major ones r with unity version

[astral granite]

hi

[cosmic belfry]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 9586 users in VRChat currently

[rare current]

Anyone know of a good Airliner maps?
one where i could just chill in one of the seats?

[scenic briar]

._____. who the feck goes on a airplane to chill out in 2020

[rare current]

me

[analog canopy]

I mean I love train maps, riding trains in vrc is really fun actually, especially central station where the stops are other worlds

[rare current]

yea.... trains could work, any favourites from you?

[strange wagon]

@scenic briar pretty obvious question but have you tried the desktop low setting in vrc

i'm on a mid range rig but once i put desktop low i'm always maxed on frames. except if there's like 20+ people in one spot in front of a mirror

but you're asking to ruin your performance at this point

because iirc the default setting is like x4 AA

or something crazy like that

could even be 8. i forgot

[ember mist]

hey gamers i currently dont have a vr at the moment but im wondering if i can run a vr game and use my keyboard too move around and such to see how my pc holds up c:

[strange wagon]

i've never seen a way to do that. but i don't think you can either without some third party software (if one even exists)

[ember mist]

so theres no way

[strange wagon]

if you're talking about vrc specifically

[ember mist]

no

[rare current]

if you are looking to see how your pc will fare then there are benchmarks out there

[strange wagon]

there are games that do that. but i can't say which ones from the top of my head

[ember mist]

Clark do you know any

[strange wagon]

also how are you gonna run a vr game without vr

[ember mist]

its possible

but u cant look around n shit

[rare current]

games specifically no, but i believe Steam has a Vr benchmark

[strange wagon]

seems like clark's idea about a benchmark is better

[ember mist]

steam vr is on one screen

[strange wagon]

you can tell us what cpu and gpu you have tho

i pretty much run vr at minimum requirements just fine

[ember mist]

i have a i3 6100 and a rx 560

[rare current]

yea steam's thing is called "SteamVR Performance Test"

[ember mist]

upgrading to a rx 580

[strange wagon]

hmmm

vr should run fine with the rx 580

[ember mist]

yep

[strange wagon]

cause vr doesn't even work with the 560 apparently

[languid beacon]

@ember mist I'm not sure if there's a misunderstanding but VRChat runs perfectly fine without VR. Just download it on steam, it'll see you don't have a headset and automatically run PC mode.

[ember mist]

ive checked on wmr and steam vr requirements my i3 6100 is just fine

[strange wagon]

vrchat vr mode does need more performance than desktop though

[ember mist]

Adeon were talking about something else but thanks anyway

[strange wagon]

so using vrc in desktop doesn't help at all

[languid beacon]

I get the same FPS on both

[ember mist]

god pc

vr renderes two screens at the same quality at the same frame rate it uses a lot more shit

[strange wagon]

that shouldn't be possible but ok

[ember mist]

^

[languid beacon]

Have you considered just running this app? https://store.steampowered.com/app/1070910/Are_you_ready_for_Valve_Index/ @ember mist

[strange wagon]

this just checks his specs

[ember mist]

valve index

yeah

[languid beacon]

That's all you really need to know is the specs.

[ember mist]

i want a actual benchmark thing

[strange wagon]

his cpu and gpu already confirmed to run vr anyway

[ember mist]

ik but ive been told so much retarded shit about my specs are good and bad for vr so i just wanna run a benchmark

[languid beacon]

If your PC can run index it can run any other headset. Index is basically the top resolution, Vive Pro and Rift S are basically the same resolution.

[rare current]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/323910/SteamVR_Performance_Test/

[languid beacon]

I mean Pimax are higher but who the heck buys a pimax

[rare current]

never even heard of a pimax

[strange wagon]

your cpu is only a little worse than the minimum cpu. and the rx 580 will run vr definetly

[languid beacon]

my point exactly

[ember mist]

so i should be right for vr 100% also considering im getting a Windows Mixed Reality

[strange wagon]

and vrchat only utilizes one core anyway

i would consider the rift S if you're considering wmr

as the rift s is pretty much wmr on steroids

[ember mist]

too much money here in australia

800 dollars AUD for a rift s

[strange wagon]

damn

[ember mist]

in australia we get VR headsets over priced

and finding WMR headsets are very hard. And if you find them there near 500 bucks

new

[strange wagon]

that is more than a rift S wow

[languid beacon]

For what it's worth
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5820K CPU @ 3.30GHz, 3301 Mhz, 6 Core(s), 12 Logical Processor(s)
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970
RAM: 16.0 GB

Runs VRChat 100% fps in VR

[rare current]

shoot... now i want to play some Vr

[strange wagon]

same here adeon

my cpu is a i5 6600k tho

with desktop low i'm always at max frames

[languid beacon]

I should get around to checkign what the heck the quality settings in vrchat are like

[ember mist]

big brain idea. sea of thieves VR

[languid beacon]

whatever they are i use default

[strange wagon]

vrc is kind of 90% gpu

[rare current]

oh god, i dont want to try SoT in VR

[strange wagon]

since all you get from your cpu is single core performance. only 1 core utilized

[languid beacon]

I feel like there's not enough third person platformers in VR. Those things are my jam, but people feel like it's a "waste of VR"

[strange wagon]

i kind of have the same opinion about these

[ember mist]

i have 2 cores

[strange wagon]

well vrchat only uses one 👀

[ember mist]

nvm 4