vrchat-general-2

[digital marten]

I mean, is it really easy to use if there’s a person who’s not used to programming?

[broken plover]

you dont really use programming with 3D modeling and world building. You mainly just create 3D objects move and scale them

[rigid crescent]

It's not programming anyway

[opaque hawk]

you don't need programming knowledge

[desert stratus]

You dont have to do any programming to optimally create vrchat content at all, unless you are working with worlds and want to use udon

[rigid crescent]

For a beginner though you won't be able to do much outside of make a room with some stuff though. If you want it quick and without effort commissions are the way to go

[digital marten]

Is it the same with making avatars in unity then?

Ah, alrighty

[desert stratus]

Ehh...i mean

Its not the same but unless youre using udon you still wont have to program a single thing

[digital marten]

Alrighty. Would downloading both blender and unity slow down my computer though?

[opaque hawk]

Unless you have almost no hard drive space left, no

[broken plover]

no. Why would it?

[opaque hawk]

but that applies to any program

When you install unity, it will ask you to also install visual studio, which is okay to install as well.

You don't need to install it separately, its just part of the unity install process.

[digital marten]

Okay, good ^^

And is it also easy to make rooms within rooms? Like, doors leading to different rooms

Say like a bathroom or bedroom inside a house

[opaque hawk]

yes it is 🙂

[digital marten]

Okay, good ^^

I guess I can go and download the programs now then; it’s just I might get stuck on something

[opaque hawk]

that is okay 🙂 its all a learning process

I recommend starting by uploading a world that is simple plane. It will teach you about colliders and the basic upload process.

[vocal shard]

Ye

[rigid crescent]

Watch guides

[vocal shard]

Also, be a nerd, nerds are good

[opaque hawk]

Cyanlasers guides are good. Especially if you want to learn trigger logic.

[digital marten]

Though what if I find an asset I can’t download?

Like from a different asset website or if it’s in Japanese? I remember finding something I want on niconico but I just don’t know how to download anything on there

And what if I wanted something, like one of those Japanese floor tables but I couldn’t find one anywhere?

Wouldn’t I have to model it myself?

[desert stratus]

For exporting japanese assets get a zip extractor

[opaque hawk]

I suppose if there was no way to download something, you would have to make it yourself or find something similar.

[desert stratus]

Backup your assets since you never know when they might disappear onine

[digital marten]

I remember finding custom plushies someone made whos a Japanese VRChat vtuber yet I don’t know if they speak English or not

I also have the pictures too

[opaque hawk]

Also check out the prefabs database pinned in #world-development lots of great assets like video players, climbing, pens, etc.

[digital marten]

Ooo~! That’s good, I’ll look there now too ^^

Also, if I’m stuck on something do I ask in this chat or somewhere else?

[opaque hawk]

#world-development

[digital marten]

I was also talking to a friend about it just now and he said you need a specific version for VRChat?

It’s called SDK, I think

[opaque hawk]

yes, the version of vrchat is linked on their website. The version is 2017.4.28f1. But its linked directly on the website to make it easier. The SDK is a separate plugin that you will need to import into unity.

[digital marten]

Ah, alrighty. Thank you ^^

[opaque hawk]

NP, don't be afraid to ask any questions directly in the world chat.

[digital marten]

Okay~! ^^

[iron pine]

Good news, redoing my boundaries with a light on and playing with said light on fixed every tracking issue i had

[vocal shard]

I have best tracking in a room with matte black walls and a black carpet; only light being an LED strip on the wall that isn't very bright and no WIFI Routers nearby as they seem to interfere.

I very rarely lose tracking in full body or in general.

Hope that helps.

@iron pine for wmr you need light to play

[iron pine]

that makes sense

I turned the lights off so i didn't get any 'light fading in' but when i actually started playing, I didn't even notice the light XD

[vocal shard]

Yes, WMR will need a fair bit of light.

Infrared cameras only do so much for low light

Wmr tracks by making a map of the playspace, and then placing itself in that virtual map. Even though the Controllers have lights on them, the headset doesn't know where it is if there's no room lights

Be careful to not have any direct light sources visible

Such as a light bulb directly

Ideal setup would be LEd strips with diffusers on them so there's no direct infrared light beaming.

Meaning differentiating the controllers is easy in processing

With wmr, I've been able to play with all the room lights off and just a desk lamp pointed at the floor. So there is some room for variance

[iron pine]

I mean the only light i have in my room is a old ceiling fan, and as long as i stand in the front half of my play area I should be fine

[vocal shard]

Correct; but the situation I put forth will get you near perfect tracking within WMR's limits

[iron pine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446380144278372383/682698977203847213/unknown.png
This is how i have my play area set up, because I'm using my room

[vocal shard]

Little tip

Make your play area more square when setting it up

[iron pine]

I can't

if i don't do that, I won't get enough room

[vocal shard]

Less points for the headset to try to identify

[iron pine]

and it works fine for what i want to do

[vocal shard]

It doesn't need to be perfect, go over items if need be.

But more square will be easier for the headset to regain boundaries

[molten gale]

I set up mine every day, takes a few secs

[placid dock]

Anyone had it where when you try to go somewhere, it loads it multiple times, doesn't take you.. then sends you to home world?

Kinda only happens to one place for me

[coarse chasm]

Yes

Have happened to me before

[pseudo elbow]

For some reason, I cant login to the VRCSDK

[cerulean folio]

i get my headset on sunday

[vocal shard]

Yay

[river hinge]

He looked like a cat, but I called him one of those Fluffy Shoes you wear.

He looks like a cat but has like weird particles on him

[velvet meteor]

Is it just me or anyone else cant seem to join anyworlds

[velvet meteor]

what do u mean bro

what client

are u like dumb bro? i havent played this game in legit few months

let alone have a client

upto u brother idk u are trolling or what

but couldnt careless

[vocal shard]

Wha?

[velvet meteor]

idk man

any evidence

[devout berry]

Just give a video evidence. Accusation without proof is good for nothing - we are not Japanese so no guilty until proven innocent here!

[wet sluice]

Woah. Guilty until proven innocent is the prevailing legal status quo in the world. Hardly something you can place on the Japanese alone.

[velvet meteor]

these are dumb people

being trolls

[devout berry]

Okay, but it is one I know most, because Japtubers are all like: "Be careful about the law system!"

[velvet meteor]

for attention

[devout berry]

That is a bad joke!

Someone could just report you for that.

[wet sluice]

That's because they don't take people to court until after they've collected the evidence. That's contrary to other systems where they do that after you get indicted.

[velvet meteor]

this guy is dumb

[devout berry]

You know what?! I am certified to have B2 level of English, so suck on that!

You'll get clapped pretty fast, telling things like that, ばか！

[velvet meteor]

this guy is doing all this for attention

[devout berry]

Banned.

[velvet meteor]

someone ping the mods

[twin fractal]

kinda cringe

[sinful lodge]

:<

[velvet meteor]

thank u

[devout berry]

Someone is even too dumb to understand an internet slang world, but makes a mess?! Truly an idiot!

[twin fractal]

big cringe

[velvet meteor]

i was feeling harassed XD

[wet sluice]

Indeed

[sinful lodge]

What happened?

[velvet meteor]

this guy started coming at me saying i was using client

[vocal shard]

They've done it before a few months back

[sinful lodge]

Welp.

Can someone say to me what is happening to my VRC at user-support, by any chance?

Pwease?

[devout berry]

Looks like a stuck game. Check your connection, clear cache and if this won't work, reinstall the game.

Also could be regional connection error. Usually when someone complains about connection, my works fine.

[sinful lodge]

My connection is fine, though. I tested opening other game. I also cleaned the cache.

[snow wadi]

@sinful lodge Check #user-support-old for my reply.

[covert blade]

Qhala

[snow wadi]

Mother of Spaghettis I should be sleeping D:

I slep.

[twin fractal]

slep

[snow wadi]

[indigo fern]

Go shleep

[wet sluice]

Snek birb slep nu

[covert blade]

[simple plume]

[mossy forge]

I have a problem. So at first my friends voice kept not working so I had to mute and unmute him. Then it didn’t work so I tried blocking and unblocking. And not it’s really glitchy and I have to unblock him sometimes now and I can’t hear him. This only started happening a few minutes ago what should I do because I’m really stressed out about it.

[void steeple]

hey does anyone know where i can find a script that gives an individual world object its own gravity apart from the world gravity

[next crater]

Hi

Hey guys do you guys know any be headaet that doesn’t need a pc bcuz I don’t have a pc I play be chat with my cousin headset

[vocal shard]

The Oculus Quest doesn't need a PC.

[next crater]

Ok how much dose it coast and can it run vex

VrC

VrChat

[vocal shard]

The Oculus quest is $400
Yes it can run vrchat, but it is a bit limited with some avatars and worlds not able to be seen

[next crater]

Yay ok I will Ask 4 it for my Bday

[tiny wyvern]

Hello!

[vocal shard]

i just got verified to upload worlds and avatars into unity... i successfully uploaded but i don’t see it in my avatars. is this normal?

[placid dock]

When you're considering Quest, consider Link and it's capabilities too

Definitely not to be slept on

[slate verge]

@vocal shard its in Worlds list > Mine category

[wind gull]

VRC is nice

[tiny wyvern]

So question, has anyone made a Manny Calavera avatar for VRC?

[slate verge]

pretty sure i've seen that avatar somewhere, likely from Al's corridors

[tiny wyvern]

Hmm, I'll check

[polar jasper]

@vocal shard what Unity version you using?

[next crater]

I haven’t play Vr c yet

But I’m looking forward too

[iron pine]

anyone know where i could find some tiny avatars? I just want to try out the different perspectives because its fun....

I found a place that lets me get really huge avatars... but it doesn't have normal sized ones....

well tiny ones

[slate verge]

try looking for nanachis

[iron pine]

Nanachis?

the world?

[devout island]

Anything that says nanachi on it

[tiny wyvern]

Al's didn't have manny, any other suggestions?

[iron pine]

is that only 'furry' avatars?

[slate verge]

@iron pine in your perspective perhaps yes

[devout island]

You could say that

[vocal shard]

@iron pine what’s the world with really big ones

[slate verge]

pretty sure a manny avatar exist

[tiny wyvern]

That's what I'd think, but I can't seem to find it

[devout island]

Have you tried typing the name in worlds

[iron pine]

the placei found the giant avatar was like... giant and tiny world

Or something like that... at this point i just want a tiny humanoid avatar..

[devout island]

Best I can think of is a loli avatar

[wind gull]

loli

pop?

[slate verge]

if you don't know what a loli is, you aren't ready for vrchat

[little lotus]

i had a loli avatar and once i started talking, this guy said i sounded like one

[gusty cape]

...

im new to vrchat so i mean what is a loli?

[sterile ingot]

Underaged anime character.

Girl, to be precise.

[gusty cape]

hm okay

[wet sluice]

Smol girl

[sterile ingot]

Give them head pats. That is all.

[shell furnace]

Idk which place to ask this, but if you use an avatar with a middle finger thumbnail thing does that count as a rule break? Or is it allowable to be used? I saw an avatar I wanna use but the creator made it with a middle finger thumbnail

[ruby raven]

You are allowed to have an avatar with a middle finger emote. It doesnt break the rules.

[shell furnace]

It’s not an emote but the whole thumbnail for it

Like the image preview to everyone shows him with it

[slate verge]

you can have anything you want, just be mindful of your audience and friends

[tight kestrel]

timeouts and DCs?

[midnight zodiac]

fix ur shit vrchat

[tight kestrel]

im sure they are on it.. prob another attack :/

[wide plaza]

glad im not the only one

[stray solar]

yea it was another attack ^^

[vocal shard]

seems like we cant switch avatars

I can't even log in right now

[stray solar]

guys just be patient this isnt the first time nor will it be the last

just give it time ^W^

[vocal shard]

No

Just complain and insult the devs

[stray solar]

xDD

[vocal shard]

It will get fixed faster, scientifically proven

[stray solar]

True true

worked back in mid 2018

[coral isle]

idk i have a decent pc and vr chat isn't this laggy maybe it is because of the people spawning portals and high quality avatars

spawning tons of portals

like spamming them

[tender spear]

How's everyone going?

Also wow I never talk here

[pseudo basalt]

um you are now?

🤠

[unreal cove]

I'm good thanks how are you?

[coral isle]

what happened

i got disconnected for doing nothing at all.

[vocal shard]

server issues, thats happening

[coral isle]

im stuck at a black screen im new to vrchat

[green bane]

same

[coral isle]

failed to connect to VRChat

it gave me a error beep

[paper cloak]

yeah tried to hop worlds and got stuck in limbo, can't reconnect

rip

[worldly swan]

I’m guessing server issues

[paper cloak]

mhm

[worldly swan]

Seeing as lots of people are having it and someone else said that just above

[rugged root]

rip

[nimble bay]

Anyone else having connection issues?

[worldly swan]

Scroll up

[nimble bay]

Ah... yep.

[coral isle]

my screen says loggin in then guess what black screen

i was in a server just fine a second ago

[worldly swan]

Almost like you’re having server issues and can’t connect now

[coral isle]

actually it crashed during it

[nimble bay]

Right when I wanted to take my mind off things too ;-;

[worldly swan]

Sad times 😦

[coral isle]

plus i never lag in vrchat well i get lag spikes and i dont know why i set it to desktoplow and its in windowed but still

[worldly swan]

It’s not your end, it’s their end

[coral isle]

wym vrchats end

[worldly swan]

They’re having server issues afaik

[pseudo basalt]

basically, just wait until they fix it

[worldly swan]

^

[coral isle]

idk how long that will be

[pseudo basalt]

neither do we

[worldly swan]

Neither do I, but everyone repeatedly joining won’t help

[pseudo basalt]

game goes down once in a while. could be 5 minutes, could be 2 hours

[coral isle]

i love vrchat

[worldly swan]

So do I

[coral isle]

alot it is just i get lag spikes from peoples avatars when on the intro world i get no lag

[worldly swan]

That’s because you aren’t just rendering a static world, you’re rendering a dynamic avatar

Some avatars are poorly optimised so they take more processing to render

[coral isle]

fixed

[worldly swan]

Servers are up?

[coral isle]

i just loaded in to the pug

[worldly swan]

Nice

Probably up then

[forest estuary]

I'm having no issues east coast, friend in West coast is

[worldly swan]

Different servers I’d imagine

[coral isle]

i wish there was a pug avatar from like gta 5

so i can roleplay as a pug in a pug resturant

lol

[worldly swan]

There probably is

[coral isle]

how do i search for avatars when i click it nothing happens

[worldly swan]

Vr or desktop?

[coral isle]

desktop

[worldly swan]

Try typing

[coral isle]

nothing

[rigid crescent]

you have to go to worlds for avatars, you cant search them

[worldly swan]

Oh true

[viral fiber]

okay, so i'm not crazy, right? vrchat is just down at the moment?

[cosmic belfry]

Im out of the loop is there any word on the Network IK Fix? I would love to be able to use Pens reliably again

[worldly swan]

artsy there have been server issues recently, which seem to be getting fixed as less people are talking about them. try waiting 5 mins or restarting

[cosmic belfry]

oh I was going to ask about that too I thought it was just me

Im getting like long black screens between trying to load worlds and load into VRChat and having to restart and I tried clearing cache didnt fix it, if its just Server issues thats a relief

[worldly swan]

yeah i belive its server issues

[cosmic belfry]

Maybe it's just a Hot Fix for Network IK (I can dream)

[viral fiber]

yup sorry to say this but i'm glad you are having the same issues xD thought it was just me too

[cosmic belfry]

yeah helps to know im not crazy

unfortunate though I was trying to hang out with some new friends but I guess it got to them too theyre offline now

[viral fiber]

i restarted my computer and tried a few other things thinking it was just my headset being weird

[cosmic belfry]

funny how the tiniest things not working can make the universe flip upside down

[coral isle]

i dont understand why

but i was in default world it was fine

[vocal shard]

@cosmic belfry as far as I'm aware, the network IK is fixed and working better than before already in the open beta

Network ik is supposedly better in the 2018 beta

[coral isle]

but when i go to the pug

[viral fiber]

weird that i managed to upload a world just a minute or two before i started having this problem~ i hope the server issues haven't messed with the upload 🤔

[coral isle]

it changes to a black screen

[worldly swan]

idk

almost like you still have server issues

as ive told you 🤦‍♂️

[coral isle]

im by myself

[vocal shard]

Don't bully

[worldly swan]

sorry

[coral isle]

in it now

[worldly swan]

ive just told them a fair few times now

[cosmic belfry]

really? People still complain about Pens not writing properly both built in avatar ones and ones in worlds, thats strange. I know some pens are broken in certain worlds but in other more reliable pencil pen worlds I get mixed results sometimes

I wonder what it could be

[viral fiber]

i think the problem with the pens that are not all dotty is that they don't sync well

or something idk

[worldly swan]

btw does anyone know what the summer room pen issue is? they have lines going away from you whenever you start or stop drawing

[vocal shard]

Depend on the type of pen

[cosmic belfry]

I dont seem to have that summer pen issue

[vocal shard]

There is a pen prefab that works reliably well

The new ik isn't live yet. It's still in the beta branch

[cosmic belfry]

oh darn,

[worldly swan]

hmm weird

maybe its only my end or only a quest thing

[vocal shard]

That's normal time master

[cosmic belfry]

wont be able to play with my regular people (or the larger general populace) while on the beta version

when will that beta fix go live ?

[worldly swan]

no other pens have done it, only that room

[vocal shard]

In January 2020 elixa

Don't know yet. It's part of the unity engine upgrade we're all waiting for

[worldly swan]

lol

[vocal shard]

They're trying to make sure it's well tested so we don't have another engine upgrade with lots of bugs like last time

[cosmic belfry]

I kinda feel for the mute community Pens being jank and all

[worldly swan]

mm

[forest estuary]

update never releases

[vocal shard]

You very well know it's going to be a shitfest Jamie

[worldly swan]

the summer room makes me not want to use the pens to talk annoyingly, even though its a nice world

yes

[cosmic belfry]

I wish VRChat just had built in keyboards you can whip out like the Cameras VR users can use

[worldly swan]

i saw a canny post about that yesterday iirc

someone linked it here

[cosmic belfry]

canny? whats that

[worldly swan]

no clue, i think its their forum

[forest estuary]

a keyboard for what

[worldly swan]

https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/in-game-tablet-for-text-chat

[cosmic belfry]

to uhh, type if you dont wanna speak

or cant because of any medical reason

[forest estuary]

how would the text appear to other players

[viral fiber]

elixa, i totally agree with you~ i wish there was some form or another of a text chat for vrchat

[vocal shard]

Just make your own

[cosmic belfry]

Ive seen alot of creations people have made in the unity engine

[vocal shard]

There is a prefab that you can use to spawn particles when you touch something

[worldly swan]

i think the main idea we had was it was like an ipad, so you could type on it then show people

[vocal shard]

I made a keyboard like that

[cosmic belfry]

It seems pretty feasible that they could make something appear like the keyboard and have the message you type bound to your arm orr hand and just present it to the other player so they can see it

[worldly swan]

yeah

[vocal shard]

If i touch a letter it will spawn that letter above the keyboard

[cosmic belfry]

or why not just some kind of in game Direct message system

general chat system you can choose to opt in and out of maybe

[worldly swan]

yeah

[vocal shard]

That already exist

Well kinda

[viral fiber]

a sign language world i seen had a big board for people to type messages, and others i've seen integrated into the menu somehow~ the concept worked really well honestly

[vocal shard]

You need to use the api for that

[forest estuary]

theres a lot of feasible features of the game that should be in it but are nit

[cosmic belfry]

I mean on like to an official capacity

built in

[viral fiber]

i do like the game's simplicity but sometimes a feature or two can go a long way

[worldly swan]

iirc the main points brought up when that link was posted:
have it so you have to show people
or have channels so people use their own tablet to see
or have a text bubble appear

[cosmic belfry]

Yeah Im in the sign community great people and we have alot of people who like to use stuff like that thats part of why I really wish it was more integrated

[worldly swan]

yeah

[viral fiber]

yass i feel you

i need to go touch up and actually learn some more 🤔

[worldly swan]

the mute chat world is soooo good, but not the best place for just chilling like other worlds

[cosmic belfry]

its ok for chilling but you have to remember the goal is to learn so if you can maybe spend some time talking to the locals learn a bit about deaf culture while youre in the area, good opportunity for infotainment

[worldly swan]

i mean the one with only the mirror, pens and keyboard. its nice for chilling, but only if you can get people there in the first place

[viral fiber]

infotainment haha i like it

[cosmic belfry]

actually

I know a few places with keyboards

some good personal homes too

[worldly swan]

do people actively chill there?

[cosmic belfry]

you could always find people and then invite them to chill with you there

[worldly swan]

yeah, true

[cosmic belfry]

Somehow without talking and just merrymaking silently in VR I always tend to get peoples attention and if they wanna talk further I drop a portal to a nice world with a keyboard

[worldly swan]

mm

[cosmic belfry]

or if theyre reaaally good at charades, I can get them to peep what my discord is

[worldly swan]

idk if its becuase im on a quest but struggle to get into conversations a lot of the time

[cosmic belfry]

Do you actually speak more often than not or

[worldly swan]

i dont think ive actually spoken yet

[marble cedar]

huh

[cosmic belfry]

Its cool speak when youre ready to I remember when I started VRChat some time ago I used to not speak I just memed with funny avatars

[rigid crescent]

sounds annoying

[worldly swan]

theres funny memeing and annoying meming

[cosmic belfry]

but I think you could still loop people in to engage with you if you have VR its kind of a body language and responding to what people are talking about kinda thing, the only drawback to quest I think is that theres so much content you cant access because you need to be running PC Vrchat

[worldly swan]

yeah exactly

i never know where to look because avatars are all the same size

[cosmic belfry]

occasionally though I drop into a quest world and find decent conversations though

[rigid crescent]

ngl i dislike when (self imposed) mutes try to be a large part of a convo, it really kills the flow

[vocal shard]

I gotta make a quest version of my avatar still...

[worldly swan]

I gotta make a quest version of my avatar still...

[cosmic belfry]

well it really depends I mean just because youre not talking doesnt mean run up and wave your hands in peoples face theres still ways to be sociable without being overbearing

[vapid geode]

oh I just love it when people put emotes on their avatar making it where the whole server crashes out of vr

[cosmic belfry]

while not speaking

[worldly swan]

yeah

[cosmic belfry]

and if some people just arent with it then you just find your crowd

[worldly swan]

its just hard to know how to do that if you cant see someones head XD

[rigid crescent]

I get that, the issue just stems when "OK well we're all saying our piece in a natural, speaking way."

[cosmic belfry]

well if someone is really receptive to you or including you in then thats your guy you talk to and hope that he helps convey some of your ideas to everyone else

[rigid crescent]

then someone has to sit there and type, show EVERYONE in the convo what they're saying, let everyone read it, then get a reply

it just slows down what would normally be a very natural conversation.

[worldly swan]

then maybe it should become natural

[rigid crescent]

It literally can't

[worldly swan]

i beg to differ

[rigid crescent]

Beg all you want, it'll still slow down the flow of a conversation

[worldly swan]

ive had a very nice flowing conversation with some people both drawing and typing

[cosmic belfry]

Idunno people have different levels of patience and its not always on the mute person for slowing things down, if you have people who are good at reading this kind of thing it can help bounce ideas around faster and keep the conversation rolling

[rigid crescent]

One on one, sure. In a group setting it's definitely an extremely slow convo no matter what form they choose. Typing is quicker, but if this were to be something on an avatar it's like "OK drop controllers, ok type, ok pick up controllers, ok show everyone"

[worldly swan]

also with practice you get faster at typing and writing in vr, so also give them time

i just type straight in vr, much faster

[rigid crescent]

It's definitely not faster lol

[worldly swan]

if you have to put your controllers down and possibly lift your headset a bit to see what youre saying it is

if you can easily touchtype it will be much faster

if you cant easily touchtype, vr is faster or jus tas fast

[rigid crescent]

So both forms have really time-killing drawbacks...

[cosmic belfry]

It really depends on what kind of setting were talking about though if its a game setting, a sitting around and chatting setting, some kind of adventure thing etc. Idk ive never really had too much trouble with mute people while im speaking personally, you just have to know how to engage with it and if youre not with it thats ok

[vocal shard]

Typing to communicate will never take off...

[rigid crescent]

The reason most mutes I know aren't "trouble" is because they're typically just answering yes or no questions

[vocal shard]

Imagine not speaking when you actually can

[rigid crescent]

or shrugging, or gesturing

[vocal shard]

Muh anxiety

[worldly swan]

gesturing is great

but when yo uneed more detail you have to go to writing or typing

[marble cedar]

i can speak but i dont do it lol

[rigid crescent]

But you can only convey your opinion or whatnot on a matter so much by gesturing

[forest estuary]

the game is called VR Chat

[cosmic belfry]

yeah thats pretty effective communication if thats not what you mean as in Yes, No, Gesturing, then I dont know what you mean it seems like pretty specific gripes

[worldly swan]

yes and its a beautiful game because people are chatting in the form most comfortable for them

[rigid crescent]

I mean an actual conversation about a topic that requires more than shrugs and nods

[vocal shard]

Just got a thought... What's the more annoying way to text?
Typing in VR?
Or T9?

[whole relic]

Is anyone still having issues getting Into the game and loading into worlds?

[worldly swan]

T9? whats that?

[whole relic]

I have multiple friends going throught the issue that cant join

[marble cedar]

auto correcting thing on phone - T9

[forest estuary]

TI-84

[worldly swan]

autocorrecting is my life saver ngl, my phone spelling is horrific

but typing via pre generated word suggestions is annoying

[whole relic]

black screening and infinite loading ?

[worldly swan]

although potentially faster

[vocal shard]

T9 is when you text using the number pad. Usually on older phones

[coral isle]

failed to connect to vrhcat

[whole relic]

Im having issues, am I the only one?

[coral isle]

vrchat

[vapid geode]

no

[cosmic belfry]

You say that but think about commentary. someone who does commentary leads a conversation generally alone unless were talking about a stream and the viewers respond how they can where they can

[rigid crescent]

Like I can join any room right now and be knees deep in a conversation in the time it would take someone writing with a pen or typing in VR to even propose a topic

[worldly swan]

oh god that, not that

[rigid crescent]

Commentary and a conversation aren't the same thing...

[coral isle]

what are you tired of me or something time

[cosmic belfry]

You have to lead the conversation and be a bit more empathetic to some of the things the mute person may be thinking about

[worldly swan]

no i was referring to T-9

[cosmic belfry]

throw some things out there maybe they might latch onto something and confirm it for you its not impossible to have a conversation with a mute I do it all the time

granted they know how to spell in american sign language in VRChat

[coral isle]

i found some moonbase alpha tts generator

[worldly swan]

i gtg, ill be lurking tho

[coral isle]

and i can play it thru my mic and do songs like space oddity and john madden

[rigid crescent]

Like I don't have anything against mutes specifically, it's just that the idea of making tools specifically for them when most could just speak only serves to slow down conversations. Luckily most mutes I know seem content to just kind of be a smaller part of a conversation as opposed to someone with a speaking role, which makes sense since they're typically more introverted to begin with

[worldly swan]

If you dont integrate it people will embed it in avatars anyway tbh

[forest estuary]

Most avatar creators definitely won't do that nor have the knowledge to do that

[cosmic belfry]

My point is, Some mutes who dont speak dont do so for maybe one of 3 reasons, Anxiety, Medical Conditions, No Mic, or in a rare case someones Deaf. I dont see what the problem is with simply "Creating" the tools to help them keep up with conversations? Why force someone to be uncomfortable if they dont have to be. Ive already said that if you dont want to engage with non speaking people who want to introduce more to your conversation its fine if you dont want to engage with them thats your choice

[rigid crescent]

lol im pretty sure most avatar creators these days can make a pen or throw on a prefab, it's become very, very common knowledge

[worldly swan]

I dont know how to do it, but I imagine there's tutorials

[forest estuary]

I'm referring to the tablet idea

Anything more advance than a pen

[rigid crescent]

I mean no one can do it, it's not possible.

Everything else is simply a prefab, so anyone can do it

[cosmic belfry]

Ive seen the tablet thing someone has made a tablet that can drop letters in the air to spell things out but it sometimes it doesnt work properly like the pens due to Network IK fix not being here yet

[rigid crescent]

THe tablet works fine though, unless you just try to spam letters

[worldly swan]

There'll be issues of course

[rigid crescent]

THat specific tablet that is.

[wet sluice]

It's probably more reliable than the steamvr keyboard xD

[rigid crescent]

It is. I'm not 100% but I'm pretty sure I've got mutuals with the dude who made it and see him use it a lot

[cosmic belfry]

Anyway my specific thing is that I would like for VRChat to officially create things that allow people who choose not to speak for personal or medical reasons to stay in the conversation comfortably wether it be a keyboard or a reliable pen that can be accessed from the player menu, that's all I mean to say

[worldly swan]

yeah

[rigid crescent]

and even he types slow on it

[forest estuary]

I barely even see avatars with pens. A creator isn't gonna think "oh yeah, better make this avatar have extra features for the mutes."

[worldly swan]

if you dont want random mutes joining a convo just go friends only or firneds+

if you want to meet new people then youll have to deal with it

[wild stump]

is there something going on with VRChat

[worldly swan]

server issues afaik

[cosmic belfry]

Well creators shouldnt be entitled to include those features of course people should be able to do what they wish but I think to an official capacity we have a large community of people who prefer not to or cannot speak

[rigid crescent]

Well part of the reason you don't see them as much any more is because netIK. They were extremely common and are still fairly common.

[forest estuary]

Mutes aren't intrusive at all, but I don't really befriend them sadly. Since I do prefer verbal communication

They're common but I don't see them in use

[worldly swan]

i prefer verbal conversation and yet im mute, so...

[cosmic belfry]

nothing wrong with it, just like people in vocal conversations you meet all the time you dont always vibe with those people the solution is just to move on and find another, I think its the same for mutes if you dont find your person that day who understands then find a new person its fine

[forest estuary]

Then just talk

[worldly swan]

i know it seems stupid to not talk, but i just prefer not talking for personal reasons

[cosmic belfry]

if it makes you uncomfortable then just talk when youre ready, for some people using VRChat helps them open up to speaking overtime anyway

[worldly swan]

it took me like a year to join a public discord vc and another few months to speak in one so... itll probably jsut take time

[vocal shard]

I didn't talk in vrchat for 6 months

[worldly swan]

and ive only had it for ~2.5 XD

[cosmic belfry]

yeah everyones got their reasons for not talking its not abnormal personally I just didnt feel the Need to talk when I first started I was too busy having fun running around

[coral isle]

i can play bowling in vr chat

[marble cedar]

out of 108h in vrc i spoke only like 4-6

[worldly swan]

about a week ago i almost did

and then i just didnt

no one was around me or anything

[cosmic belfry]

But yeah see what I mean its fine you'll be ok, there's a Quest compatible version of that sign Language world if you wanna start learning some of that if you have plans to get a PC and the cable to connect your quest and join the PC world some day

[worldly swan]

yeah someone linked them in #world-quest for me

[marble cedar]

huh

how does the cable work?

[worldly swan]

oculus link

[coral isle]

lol

[marble cedar]

huh

[cosmic belfry]

Theres a cable you can buy for your quest that lets you connect it and basically turn it into a full Rift S

[worldly swan]

^

[coral isle]

who wants to bowl with me in vrchat

[coarse rock]

get the cable, plug it into your quest, open oculus software on pc, and bam

[worldly swan]

sadly not the standard one

[cosmic belfry]

it will use the PC for processing instead of the headsets built in systems

[coarse rock]

you're still locked to 72hz tho

which depending on PC hardware, is pretty garbo

[marble cedar]

will it be better than just ocu rift s?

[cosmic belfry]

some people say its barely noticable unless youve had a different headset you wont notice it

[worldly swan]

i play mc on ~10-20 so im fine wiht it

[vocal shard]

Also the video had compression and there's a bit more latency. So it's not a rift S replacement

I had a quest with link first and returned it for a rift s

[coarse rock]

Not to be biased, but I'm on Index, so I run @ 120hz

[coral isle]

who wants to play vr with me

im bowling currently at a alley that looks really good

[worldly swan]

ngl i think the 72 of the quest is the fastest fps ive ever had (except maybe on xbox)

[cosmic belfry]

If I had to choose as a new buyer of VR I would go for either Rift S or Quest depending on wether or not I have a gaming PC already, even If I could buy the Index or Vive

[thin ember]

Vrc black-screened for me and a lot of people. Do we have to reinstall the program or what?

[worldly swan]

server issues afiak

[coarse rock]

If you have a decent PC, Rift S is a great beginner HMD.

[cosmic belfry]

I just feel its more bang for your buck and Oculus is developing a system that will enable full hand finger tracking so it will kinda make that index thing obsolete if it goes well

all at the price point of 400$ ish still

[coarse rock]

lol it won't get anywhere close to index finger tracking

[cosmic belfry]

index cant allow you to lace your fingers

[marble cedar]

if i have a 1050ti is it better for a rift s or quest with cable?

[worldly swan]

full body from just the headset or riot

[cosmic belfry]

cross theme etc, the oculus thing will be similar to leap motion probably not as good but close

[vocal shard]

Eh, the quest hand tracking isn't really comparable. It works well, but is very limited in tracking range and not good as a controller replacement

[coarse rock]

^^^^^^

[cosmic belfry]

I think it has potential someday its still new

[coarse rock]

At that point, you start relying on software, rather than the controller.

It's currently only limited to UI, iirc (on quest)

[cosmic belfry]

I just think its kinda nuts to drop 1000 on index then at least 700 on a decent gaming PC

[coarse rock]

Not really

[cosmic belfry]

I mean I should say I dont think its "Necessary"

[coarse rock]

Index is honestly enthusiast hardware

[cosmic belfry]

preferences sure thats fine

Yeah, Enthusiast I would say

[worldly swan]

id love to have an index

[coarse rock]

It's not for everyone, especially at the price point, but those that can afford it, enjoy it for the content it provides.

[worldly swan]

but the quest is the only one that doesnt need a stupid pc

[coarse rock]

I can personally say, the only time I will move HMDs is when there's something better than the Index, as of now.

[vocal shard]

I haven't used an index yet. But I've used most headsets up to the Vive pro and the Rift S is definitely a good bang for your buck as a PC VR system.

The quest was surprisingly good to as a stand alone device. They really did well

[worldly swan]

excatly

[cosmic belfry]

but other than the current lead in finger tracking and maybe some fidelity whats the perks of index for the price point? I often hear people complaining of drift and problems with the headset

thankfully they offer warranty I hear

[marble cedar]

soo

[worldly swan]

iirc teh flul body is great on index too

[cosmic belfry]

I would hope so for the cost

each sensor is like 300 right

[coarse rock]

Vive tracker? It's 100 per

[cosmic belfry]

for index I mean

[vocal shard]

It's the same

Index doesn't have their own trackers. People use Vive ones

It's all the same tracking system and interchangeable

[worldly swan]

ahh

[cosmic belfry]

ok

[marble cedar]

smhh its ~550-600 for oculus rift s here

[vocal shard]

The Vive trackers aren't even meant for full body. But develpers just make them work

[cosmic belfry]

I would assume vive and index are more expensive than that 500 and 600 in your country

[vocal shard]

@marble cedar Canada?

[marble cedar]

Latvia

[vocal shard]

Ah. The rift S is $550 here in Canada as well

[coarse rock]

Well, firstly, I will say that the Index is literally the only headset that can go over 90hz. (up to 144hz) It's got the highest PPI (Pixels Per Inch, meaning it's going to be miles clearer than other HMDs with similar resolutions), comparing it to the Rift CV1, the "screendoor" effect, it non existent on the Index as well. The microphone on the Index as well is very very comparable to a mid tier condenser microphone as well. The audio absolutely amazing, honestly can't say I prefer any other HMDs audio over the index. And the controllers are so nice, they also feel so natural in the hands, most people complain about the fit of the controllers, but it's mainly because It definitely takes some getting used to (the fit of the knuckles)

[cosmic belfry]

how much is index in canada? I think Ive heard its still in short supply though globally right

[vocal shard]

About $1300

[rigid crescent]

just rma controllers every month 4hed

[cosmic belfry]

how would you say the headset fits? Does it become uncomfortable overtime does your face begin to sweat etc

[coarse rock]

Oh no, not at all honestly

I've played beat saber for literally 3-4 hrs straight, had no issues with the display fogging up, or anything like that

The facial interface usually just keeps all the sweat, which is a little gross, but I'd rather have that than it fogging up the display

[cosmic belfry]

yeah kinda sucks everythings just a little bit more expensive in canada

[coarse rock]

yee, unfortunately

[faint skiff]

I've got a Vive, Quest and Index and the Index is basically in another league in every aspect. Comfort, visual quality, sound, etc. That's why it costs so much more.

[coarse rock]

I do think that it's worth the 500$ just for the HMD.

[worldly swan]

i dont doubt its better considering price, but quest is better in different ways

[cosmic belfry]

Well as long as its a justified buy in that it readily presents its value to you, definitely enthusiast grade tech right now for the price point and required investment of needing a PC that can handle it the condenser mic is a factoid i didnt know about thats neat

[faint skiff]

The Quest isn't better in any way, other than that it can work standalone, but then the quality of the games (visually speaking) is pretty terrible compared to PCVR.

[coarse rock]

The microphone is so nice honestly (on Index)

[cosmic belfry]

As far as the HMD though is it compatible with any oculus controllers/ generally speaking the cheaper alternative. or can it not be used with anything not Index?

[worldly swan]

standalone is a big selling point, and yes that probably is the only way

[cosmic belfry]

other than the sensors of course

[coarse rock]

Well, Rift controllers can't be used with any other HMD besides Rift(s)

[rigid crescent]

my sample size is small for now, but out of 10 users, ive seen 10 rmas with only 3 people not having them

[marble cedar]

vive Cosmos - 853eur
HTC vive pro - 1298eur
:/

[rigid crescent]

for controllers

[vocal shard]

The index is on the same tracking system as Vive and pimax. So any of those are mostly interchangeable for Controllers, ECT

[wet sluice]

can I get an RMA on my hands pls? They don't work

[coarse rock]

Well you also have to understand the volume of Index's that are being sold. Can't really shit on them for taking a decent portion of time for an RMA.

[cosmic belfry]

Quest is kind of like the Nintendo Switch of the Headset world right now, its portable it can play alot of the popular titles and be hooked up to a central console (well just a TV really) but you get the idea. Its not too expensive and it helps the consumer transition into the market at a low price point

[coarse rock]

Along with the coronavirus situation, and yeah I agree they could've done better with the QA for the controllers, but again, I bought my index entirely understanding that the analog stick was probably going to be a factor in my experience.

[cosmic belfry]

you could buy the optical cable to get more use out of it for a time but then if you want something better you may want to try and sell it and make your money back and get something new

[vocal shard]

Mhmm. Quest is one of the key factors pushing an actual good cheap VR experience into the mainstream.

[rigid crescent]

it just outright shouldbt BE an issue

they tested them very publicly for over a year

[coarse rock]

I agree, but It's an issue so 🤷‍♂️

[worldly swan]

the quest definitely pioneers one area of vr, the index pioneers another

[faint skiff]

I'd disagree that it's like the Switch. The Switches visual downgrades aren't really that visible when using it mobile on such a small screen. It's very obvious on Quest (also the headphones are the worst I have ever heard).

[coarse rock]

I've owned my Index for close to 7 months, I really don't have many complaints at all, to be completely honest.

Yeah, I've had 2 controller RMAs, and 2 base station RMAs, but I'm not really worried about it

[rigid crescent]

...

[vocal shard]

[coarse rock]

Technology breaks. Welcome to life lmfao

[cosmic belfry]

thats a specific point to argue about the switch analogy I just meant that its low cost its portable, its a gateway into the market of gaming

[wet sluice]

lmao

[rigid crescent]

the typicavalve apologist, great

[coarse rock]

lmfao ok

[vocal shard]

Been using VR since 2014 and haven't had to RMA anything... And that a reason I'm still hesitant on the index

[worldly swan]

and aside from not being the equivilent of a $1000 rival, its pretty godo for its price imo

[wet sluice]

I've had one controller fail with my wmr over 11 months and I'm pretty disappointed. How could you be fine with that.

[coarse rock]

people act like literally every pair of controllers are going to break

They won't. The controller problems aren't as common as you might think

[rigid crescent]

well im 10 rmas for 10 surveyd users

[faint skiff]

Out of the literally dozens of Index owners I've spoken to, one single person hasn't had controller issues. Everyone else has had issues and many have RMA'd several times. I don't know why people try and pretend that it's not a major issue.

[rigid crescent]

increasing my sample size by a lot this weekend

[sonic kayak]

Does anyone know of a good pillow for vrsleeping? I see a lot of people sleeping in vr but it's always been uncomfortable as hell for me

[wet sluice]

A thicc memory foam one

[coarse rock]

People want everything to work when they get it, I completely understand that. I'm not sitting here saying Valve doesn't have problems. I'm just saying that the problems aren't as bad as people say they are.

[rigid crescent]

they are though...

theyre widespread

[faint skiff]

@coarse rock They absolutely are, why pretend otherwise? What do you gain from this denial?

Oh, and FYI you're speaking to someone who's had to return both controllers already.

[cosmic belfry]

Well I say if youre getting your value out of index and the company is treating you right enjoy it. It sucks that it hasnt come far enough to not have to worry about stuff malfunctioning, My CV1 has been pefectly fine for like 2 years so far with the only problem being occasionally dust gets on the thumbstick board causing it to automatically lock in a thumb input, but all I have to do is blow the dust off and im gravy

But I do understand the reasoning for wanting something more

[coarse rock]

Ok? lmfao I've literally had 2 controller RMAs, and 2 base station RMAs, we're literally in the same boat. @faint skiff

[worldly swan]

my quest has been fine no, ive had wifi problems at times bút at least ive never heard of returning it

[rigid crescent]

welcome to my statustics then

[coarse rock]

I just said yes valve has problems, yes valve has QA problems with controllers, I'm not denying that at all

[rigid crescent]

youre debying the frequency

[coarse rock]

Not really.

My pre-order controller pair lasted about 4 months til it started drifting

[vocal shard]

I'm going to bed.

[cosmic belfry]

I think its important to remember that Elemental is saying that they personally have not had the issues as frequently as anyone else, theyve had some minor ones but its not the same thing as saying that Index as a platform doesnt have issues, that's not on Elementals shoulders to represent the whole of the shaky Index Launch

[faint skiff]

One of my friends is on his 4th set, lol. What's worse is they seem to send him worse ones each time.

[rigid crescent]

right now, with you and env, im at 13 RMAS for 13 users surveted. this is counting bith controllers as ome rma so im being geneeous...

[coarse rock]

yes valve has QA problems with controllers, I'm not denying that at all
@coarse rock

I literally just said this

[cosmic belfry]

Night Jamie

[faint skiff]

@rigid crescent Gallium is the only person I know that hasn't had issues, but that was a few months back. I'm wondering if anything's developed since then.

[rigid crescent]

still denyinh it beung widspread...

[coarse rock]

I never said that.

Please re-read everything I've been saying, I've never claimed that it wasn't "widespread"

[worldly swan]

People want everything to work when they get it, I completely understand that. I'm not sitting here saying Valve doesn't have problems. I'm just saying that the problems aren't as bad as people say they are

[rigid crescent]

' I'm just saying that the problems aren't as bad as people say they are.'

[coarse rock]

Because welcome to the world of hardware revisions lmfao, you can literally check when what hardware revision your index controllers are

[faint skiff]

A failure rate of "almost literally fucking everyone" is pretty bad, lol.

[rigid crescent]

My list isn't counting "my friend had X issues" either, it's all first hand accounts. If servers werent wonky id be asking more people right now

[coarse rock]

If you got controllers from the first batch, you're probably guaranteed to have an issue at some point. However I said what I did because of present hardware revisions which have stopped most issues from occurring.

[rigid crescent]

The batch doesn't matter, that only matters for the clicky left stick thing.

[forest mountain]

Hey just curious if anyone else is getting delayed/repeated sign ins mixed with black screens when it actually tries to load a world?

[coarse rock]

Not really

[faint skiff]

@forest mountain Common issue, you just have to keep trying unfortunately.

[coarse rock]

iirc It's b/c server issues

[rigid crescent]

Tell that to the person on the latest batch that I haven't even included yet because I don't recall if they're on their fourth or fifth pair.

[cosmic belfry]

Yes @forest mountain some people are also getting it its a bit of a serverside thing

[forest mountain]

Been doing it for a couple hours for me and I even tried pc restart and reinstall of the game

Oh alright

[rigid crescent]

She alone has more RMAs than people I've surveyed without RMAs, I just dont wanna add her to my list until I talk to her again

[forest mountain]

Well thanks for the info

[rigid crescent]

They don't play any crazy games, they don't smash them on shit, they don't do anything but chill in VRC and not even for weird amounts of time. Cali is pretty dry so humidity likely isn't an issue either nor should it even be in an air conditioned home which they have.

[cosmic belfry]

I think we made our point about the Index having problems I would say its better to take the discussion to the forums from her on instead for better results

[worldly swan]

yeah first reports i saw in discord were ~1h30m ago so...

[forest mountain]

Yeah that's about in line with when I first encountered it

Just weird that only certain people are being affected

[coarse rock]

Funny being called a valve apologist though, haven’t heard that one before

[worldly swan]

different servers i guess

[forest mountain]

Yeah I suppose that makes sense

[rigid crescent]

You play the part very well, "in denial" may have been a more accurate description though.

to say it's "not as bad as people make it out to be" when it's actually that bad shows some form of denial.

[cosmic belfry]

Can you drop it though? Youre being a little overbearing with the discussion about the Valve Index its almost getting personal

[faint skiff]

@rigid crescent Poke JackTheFox if you want some fun figures to add to the failure list, both headset and controllers.

[wet sluice]

cognitive dissonance maybe

[rigid crescent]

It's not personal at all though? Hello?

[coarse rock]

^

[rigid crescent]

I don't think it's fair to go after people I know with an issue, as easy as it would be. I prefer to join friends and friends+ and get the info somewhat candidly.

[cosmic belfry]

then complain on the forums instead ? I mean you keep telling Elemental theyre in denial and theyre an apologist thats not very necessary for a discussion

[rigid crescent]

Or I can complain here and you can go ahead and ping a chat mod if you believe there's an issue? It's simply a discussion.

[faint skiff]

What forum?

[worldly swan]

its definiteyl getting toxic, although valid points have been made on both sides

[rigid crescent]

If I just pinged a bunch of discords asking who had issues vs who doesn't, im sure only people with issues would reply so im choosing to do it somewhat candidly

[forest mountain]

I finally loaded in but shortly after I lost connection to the server
So yup definitely a server problem

[rigid crescent]

That's why I have'nt been taking suggestions or referrals for it, but hopefully these server things clear up so I can be more proactive on it.

[elder gale]

Okay, just what I wanted to see.

[cosmic belfry]

Reddit, Steam, Send Valve an Email, do something constructive with social media make a campaign make a youtube review etc

[coarse rock]

If you really wanted more info, there’s the Index discord, if you’re really wanting to get a sample size @rigid crescent

[elder gale]

Thought my PC was bugging out.

[cosmic belfry]

lot of options

[rigid crescent]

You uh....you don't think Valve knows? 🤔

[coarse rock]

I think plenty of people have already complained about, it was something people spoke about on day one.

[cosmic belfry]

and if youre aware that they know then maybe you should look into seeing what they plan on doing about it instead of redirecting it at people with those kinds of questions, of couse they "know"

[rigid crescent]

There's no information about that.

[vapid geode]

[worldly swan]

have people asked?

[rigid crescent]

I'm also not asking them what they plan on doing about it, so what did I redirect?

[cosmic belfry]

then continue to look into what you can do about it

[rigid crescent]

There's nothing that can be done about it as far as fixing it goes. As far as people knowing about said issues? That's another story.

[cosmic belfry]

Valve didnt make you buy an index you went in fully knowing what you were in for so if you cant wait for the results of a developing hardware to improve then get off the soap box and sell your index for something reliable? I dont know man

[forest mountain]

Well thanks for the help I'm gonna see if I can jump to another world without it kicking me out
Seems overall more stable for now

[cosmic belfry]

If it bothers you this much

[rigid crescent]

You realize that conversations like this serve to inform not just people involved, but those simply lurking and/or uneducated about the topic, right?

[vocal shard]

No booli, mic

[worldly swan]

gl zombie

[cosmic belfry]

Im aware of what the discussion was about but you started hurling passive agressive insults at Elemental

constructive critique is perfectly fine but keep it contained

[rigid crescent]

lol i don't think saying someone is in denial is a passive aggressive insult

[cosmic belfry]

Anyway Ive said my piece Idk if it doesnt bother Elemental that much its pointless for me to harp on it

[rigid crescent]

It's an observation that seems pretty backed up by the fact they stated it's "not as bad as people make it out to be" when people are only making it out to be as bad as it is, or trying to excuse it by saying "just RMA 4hed" which isn't what they were doing but it's a common argument.

Svel you're just mad because you have index controllers 🙂

[vocal shard]

I wish I had them actually

[rigid crescent]

i wish this was an animated emote lol

[vocal shard]

But index is not even available in my country

[coarse rock]

Well I think it’s not that I’m in denial at all, I just personally don’t care enough to really make a scene from it. I’ve had my fair share of issues, but I, myself, am not going to shit on valve

tldr

[rigid crescent]

That's an entirely different attitude than what you presented before, but alright.

[vocal shard]

Good 'ol switcheroo

Yeet

[rigid crescent]

are they oceanic yet? I bought an index for someone a while back

actually it wouldnt even matter, they cant RMA if they wanted to hmmm

[coarse rock]

LMFAO okay, I’m just going to leave it at that, I’m not going to waste my fingers typing anything more

[rigid crescent]

at least I get HL:A for free

They're in a position where they'd just buy a new Index anyway since RMA is out of the question lol

[vocal shard]

I wonder how many years I'll have to wait to be able to buy an index

I give it 3 years

[rigid crescent]

I'm kinda surprised Japan got them that quickly

Then again, they're adopting TF out of vR it seems

[light valley]

Is anyone currently experiencing issues logging in?

[vocal shard]

Yes

[light valley]

fek

[worldly swan]

Yeah server issues it seems

[rigid crescent]

Who's going with me to Club Dream Of Me 🤔 @covert blade

[covert blade]

Hi
When?

[light valley]

RIP servers

[rigid crescent]

then again my answer to if im working today was "probably not" like 6 hours ago

ETA is 3 hours

[covert blade]

Hmmmmm

[rigid crescent]

sorry 2 hours

gonna be honest, it's probably not your thing and i was mainly joking lol

[covert blade]

Just take a few photos to share and I'm very likely still at work by then

[rigid crescent]

Sasha i cant take photos there it's forbidden ❎

it's a "dance" event

[covert blade]

On a scale from 1 to 10, how lewd?

[umbral reef]

No lewding >:C

[rigid crescent]

Rule 1. No photography/video
Rule 2. No friend requesting dancers
Rule 3. No annoying avatars
Rule 4. Set safety on [None] (i dont know why its a rule, they cant really enforce it)
Rule 5. Turn off nameplates (again, if no photos then why lol)

I think 4 and 5 are more of suggestions to help enhance your experience

[worldly swan]

Probably

[rigid crescent]

I'd say...8-ish?

[wet sluice]

sounds fun

[rigid crescent]

i sent you the event hashtag, it only has a few images tho

Well the downside is there's a lot of Booth models

[covert blade]

No one will notice SteamVR or Oculus screenshots

[rigid crescent]

At first, that doesn't sound half bad til you think of what it implies

Admittedly I took a few 🙂

[vocal shard]

Lewd

[umbral reef]

Or you flat out screen record lmao

[covert blade]

Lol nice

[worldly swan]

Just stream it

[rigid crescent]

instant ban

[worldly swan]

Lol figured

[covert blade]

Assuming they find out

[rigid crescent]

Well streaming it is an instant ban lol

[covert blade]

That you cant really hide well

[worldly swan]

Tbf they can only enforce what they see

They’re probably only watching out for in game cameras or excessive afk

[cosmic delta]

i haven't played vr chat in a long time, do most people still use poorly optimised models?

[rigid crescent]

They enforce Twitch things very well.

[worldly swan]

Some people use poorly optimised models still

[devout berry]

@rigid crescent And what about
Discord stuff, hmm?

[umbral reef]

@cosmic delta The only answer to that question is yes
It will be also always yes in the future.

[vocal shard]

Record with the nameplates turned on and send to mod team
Free ban for everyone

[rigid crescent]

You'd be wrong there then. People get banned for stuff like that on Twitch a lot. As for discord, why even ask me that question?

[cosmic delta]

😢

[devout berry]

They cannot catch a go live on private server! Muhaha!

[rigid crescent]

ok....

[manic spade]

so....

do people just...

start playing vr chat on their own?

and make friends?

[rigid crescent]

Almost everyone, yes

[vocal shard]

Yes

[worldly swan]

Pretty much

[covert blade]

Is it invite or invite+?

[manic spade]

ive only ever played vr chat with friends

[vocal shard]

Like irl

[rigid crescent]

Anyway. The event is pretty publicly advertised Svel, so the odds of that being an issue that all are pretty low.

[manic spade]

or else i maybe just running around with my mic muted

[vocal shard]

Ah shit

[cosmic delta]

i started playing because of nagzz's youtube videos

[devout berry]

@cosmic delta Same.

[manic spade]

im scared people will be rude ahaha

[covert blade]

@manic spade lotta people do that, me included sometimes

[umbral reef]

Lewd dancing is totally fine
Unless you can see a few evil pixels that look like something unwholesome its all fine

[worldly swan]

That’s what I do tbh, fair warning tho: sometimes conversation is hard when you’re muted (most of the time tbh)

[manic spade]

becouse i havent had the best experiences with playing vr chat on my own

[rigid crescent]

All models have badboi geometry covered

[vocal shard]

Why would you be scared?

[manic spade]

i have low self confidence :,)

[vocal shard]

Block them and move on

[manic spade]

i dont wanna block people for just being memey

[devout berry]

And coppa destroyed it! He stopped VRChat adventures because of coppa.

[manic spade]

i dont wanna come off as triggered or sensitive

[worldly swan]

Memey and bullying are different things

[manic spade]

i just kind of try to laugh it off and go somewhere else

[vocal shard]

Then don't get scared of they are "rude"

[cosmic delta]

@devout berry whos coppa?

[covert blade]

Kyle it gets better if you roam with friends, or join friends and become friends with their friends

[worldly swan]

Yeah

[devout berry]

A stupid law in US.

[vocal shard]

The fuck u talking about again

[worldly swan]

Just keep world hopping until you find a nice bunch

[manic spade]

well yeah thats what i usually like to do aha

[cosmic delta]

😦

[manic spade]

but its very rare that we all have time to play

[vocal shard]

Oh shit sorry my bad, forgot to huff some paint today

[manic spade]

i dont think ive played anything besides beatsaber the past couple weeks

[cosmic delta]

@devout berry can i add you on discord as a fellow naggz fan?

[manic spade]

aha

[worldly swan]

I have like 20/30 friends and only a few are consistently on and only ever about 5 of them at a time at once, maybe find a few groups and then you’ll always have someone

[manic spade]

geez

i have like 3 friends that play vr chat, and theyre on maybe....

once a week at most

aha

[coarse rock]

I have close to 700

[devout berry]

Speaking of VRChat adventures, gonna give a listen to Savanah after the programming lecture ends.

[worldly swan]

I don’t have any irl friends that play

[covert blade]

Hmmm, Kyle would ya mind chatting in DM's 'bout it? Since when I started, I knew no one and now I always have someone online that I can join

[cosmic delta]

best music of all time

[manic spade]

whats worse is that im too embarrassed to play when my parents are home lmao

[cosmic delta]

*one of the best

[manic spade]

i dont like talking in to people when my parents are home

[worldly swan]

Yeah that’s fair

[rigid crescent]

You know he didnt have to stop doing VRChat stuff just beacuse of Coppa, righT? He could easily stream content, he just prefers youtube

[manic spade]

especially since im german and id be talking english so it just sounds like im talking to random strangers

[devout berry]

@cosmic delta Together with the original VRChat login theme Partially offline.

[worldly swan]

Maybe just okay muted and figure out pens, keyboards and basic sign language/gestures

[manic spade]

..which.. i am xD

[covert blade]

Hmmm, Kyle would ya mind chatting in DM's 'bout it? Since when I started, I knew no one and now I always have someone online that I can join

[manic spade]

also having a german accent doesnt help alot with self confidence lmao

its not that bad though aha)

[cosmic delta]

@devout berry yes

[worldly swan]

If you need a world to learn sign language if you play mute there should be one in #world-quest

[covert blade]

Also am literally German myself

[manic spade]

ayyy :D

i dont like talking german online xD

[covert blade]

Same

[manic spade]

it feels weird

or should i say

Es fÜhLT sIcH kOmiSch An

[covert blade]

Cease

[manic spade]

😂

[covert blade]

:<

[devout berry]

That reminds me, let's protest to get Partially offline and the original space loading screens back.

[worldly swan]

?

[cosmic delta]

it been so long i can't remember what it sounds like.

[devout berry]

@worldly swan When you started playing?

[worldly swan]

December

I’m a fresh victim player

[rigid crescent]

You just rant and rant

[devout berry]

Ah. So you don't remember Partially offline and og. loadings.

[worldly swan]

No

Sounds kinda cool tho

[hard olive]

pooot

[rigid crescent]

It's really not that big of a deal lol

[devout berry]

That song was used as bgm on login screen. I recommend to listen to it. It is beautiful.

No mic, the new theme is meh.

[vocal shard]

Vrchat boomers 😂

[cosmic delta]

lol

[rigid crescent]

basically

join the rest of the "b-b-b-buh back in my day" crowd that wants 200 users secret club back

[vocal shard]

Ah yes the good old days

When every single avatar would reset their animations when someone joined or switched avatars

When anyone could grab any avatars even if it was "private"

[rigid crescent]

No safety settings

[vocal shard]

When you could make a bot to fill up the ram of anyone and constantly crash them

I miss the old times

[rigid crescent]

At least we had uhhhhhh

[umbral reef]

Where you part of VRC when we got NSFW world shaders or even gore shaders without a way to prevent it, stop it or do anything but close the game or wait!

[rigid crescent]

....what was better again? lol

[vocal shard]

Cameras

[rigid crescent]

Nah cameras too new-school

[vocal shard]

Like unity cameras

We had footstep so we could use a custom animator and that's about it

[rigid crescent]

cool....yeah.

I'll take the current client over that 100 times over

[vocal shard]

Final ik wasn't that broken

[wet sluice]

That sounds really awesome. I wish we had old vrc back

[vocal shard]

We had more Joints available too

[wet sluice]

who needs 2018 when you've got 5.6

[vocal shard]

Kareeda made those avatars with dyn bones that could be touched by anyone

[warped dew]

is avatar cloning option broken?

[vocal shard]

No

[worldly swan]

Shouldn’t be

Why?

[vocal shard]

But servers are having issue so if you can't clone then it's "normal"

[warped dew]

i noticed that someone cloned a private avatar of mine

and while i have the option off

[worldly swan]

Is the avatar itself private?

[vocal shard]

Is it actually set to private? 100% sure?

[warped dew]

yes

[worldly swan]

Sounds like someone is using something not necessarily acceptable by tos

[rigid crescent]

yeah there was a mirror update that broke it

Sucks, that was Kareeda's like...THe equivalent of his VR-life's work

He'd been working on that since i met him, finally figures out a way anyone and everyone can do it without a modded client, then its broken with a mirror update

[warped dew]

D:

[worldly swan]

Ouch

[warped dew]

Will it be fixed soon?

[vocal shard]

Fun fact, the only reason people can fly is because of the mirrors

[wet sluice]

Isn't it still doable with regular colliders?

[worldly swan]

Lol my fave part is where you can “fly” up walls (spam jump) and idek how that’s supposed to have happened XD

[devout berry]

For now, just a easy prevention: use customs only in private instances.

[rigid crescent]

It fucks up locally I believe, that's the main issue

[vocal shard]

Wonky colliders that's how

[rigid crescent]

Put in your ear, tails, "other" parts, etc, it would break and send the affected bone (and mesh) to some weird infinitely gone space

[vocal shard]

The colliders are self-colliding with your mirror double

[river hinge]

MN. F bhh.
L

[vocal shard]

Some bullshit like that

[worldly swan]

I’m talking about straight up walls

[vocal shard]

I agree baky

And I'm not

[worldly swan]

Ah

[devout berry]

@river hinge? Slamming your head on keyboard? 🤣

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, basically it was all undone due to that update, which sucks.

You can do a form of world-synced collission with world-layer objects but it basically serves no purpose outside of a little novel gimmick

[river hinge]

Nope, that was typed out on the typing thing and I didnt do nothin'

[wet sluice]

damn

[rigid crescent]

https://twitter.com/TheKareeda/status/1102730202889768960

a little proof of concept featuring yours truly 🙂

[devout berry]

So, mobile keyboard screw up?

[rigid crescent]

thats on his avatar, perfectly synced with everyone in t he room to the letter. you can do some novel gimmicks with it but there's some drawbacks

[warped dew]

will the avatar cloning issue be resolved?

[rigid crescent]

afaik he doesnt write this stuff down and i dont recall how it works because i've just been a bit of a wall to bounce ideas off of lol

[devout berry]

Most certainly no, until the 2018 update. They totally ditched actual release.

[rigid crescent]

something about removing the avatar from the hierarchy or something? which makes the inside of your head and things connected to it visible which is a whole different mess

what cloning issue?

Is it set to Private on your account?

[devout berry]

@rigid crescent They cloned his private custom model.

[warped dew]

yes

while having avatar cloning off too

[cosmic delta]

thats scary

[rigid crescent]

Oh, damn

[devout berry]

The problem is, that the game downloads all needed models and only thing you need to do is get the ID from it or even rip the model from cache.

[warped dew]

this person cloned it right in front of me

[cosmic delta]

did you report them?

[warped dew]

as if using the option

[devout berry]

They just go into their cache folder and perform the clone.

[rigid crescent]

whats the avatarname?

[devout berry]

Or a client user.

[warped dew]

i've blocked and jumped worlds

[worldly swan]

Report them too

[cosmic delta]

it seems that with every security update, people are still finding ways around it

[worldly swan]

Which in its own messed up way is a good thing

Each time they break it, the systems get more secure

There’ll eventually be a point where it’s way too hard to, but I doubt we’re close to that

[covert blade]

There's only so much they can do when using Unity

[worldly swan]

Yeah

[rigid crescent]

1 hour sasha

🙂

[faint skiff]

"Only person that can't see it is the owner." - How weird.

[worldly swan]

?

[coral isle]

anyone wanna join me at rocknroll bowl

it is empty but fun

[covert blade]

@rigid crescent am home

[warped dew]

just to be clear

if you mute someone, they can't hear you yeah?

[covert blade]

Nope

They can still hear you, and they can see you've muted them

[warped dew]

oh

[shell furnace]

Is there any way to reduce or disable audio gestures for avatars? Like for everyone altogether when I use one?

[warped dew]

it should of worked both ways

[covert blade]

Why?

[desert stratus]

And no

[covert blade]

If you dont want them to hear you just block

[shell furnace]

I want to like remove the audio associated with an avatar when I spawn into rooms so no one hears it

[desert stratus]

Not really no, i dont think so

[shell furnace]

Rip

[covert blade]

Not possible Ron

[desert stratus]

Wh, okay i dont get whar youre trying to do

[warped dew]

where if you mute someone, they shouldn't hear you as well

[desert stratus]

You want to disable avatar audio for ever other player in the room when you spawn?

[covert blade]

Just block then

[shell furnace]

Yeah cause someone made an avatar I really wanna use badly but they put massive loud audio when he spawns into rooms

And it’s annoying for 15 seconds

[desert stratus]

You can just use the safety settings to turn off avatar audio from other players outright since it sounds like thats what you want

[covert blade]

Spawn in sounds arent affected by safety settings

[desert stratus]

Ohh! Isit a public avatar or do you have it in your unity project?

[rigid crescent]

they mean their own and no

[shell furnace]

It’s a public one in a persons world

[desert stratus]

No luck unless uou can contact them and convince them to make a version without load audio

Avatar creators usually have their discords in their worlds

[shell furnace]

Yeah i am actually DMing the owner anyway so I will request it

[desert stratus]

I sees

[rigid crescent]

sasha add yame-tap

underscore not dash

[shell furnace]

He also made it with a big flame effect that may annoy players for 2/3 seconds

[rigid crescent]

YAME_TAP

[shell furnace]

I may need to adjust that

[covert blade]

Done

[rigid crescent]

and fill out this just google translate

https://t.co/G8K3thp5Wv?amp=1

i forgot about it lol

[faint skiff]

@shell furnace I don't expect that conversation to go well unless they made the avatar like 4 years ago and have grown up since then. People that design avatars that basically piss off everyone in an entire session generally don't care what other people think.

[shell furnace]

Hmmmm true. I just asked him he said “ill look into it” so I hope it works out lmao. He said he didn’t mind though checking out how to reduce audio

[manic spade]

it might be weird but when i have to prepare to talk to someone i jjust kind of talk to myself for a while to get used to talking english ahaha-