#vrchat-general-2
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No, true justice
@faint skiff I wouldn't poke it too much - don't wanna get in status quo where any post about anything suspicious become banable offense.
VRC is unsafe.
If you think of the legal way its easier said then done
And its laughable depending where the guy lives
Class action suit from the community for being a nuisance. Everyone gets $10 from him.
That's why I mean they could've begun some time ago. It's a slow process, but one that usually has results provided the dumbass is active.
Which he is...
Hey weβre trying to encourage people to play VRChat... please do not talk or post anything or realated to any bad things!!! #rules Thanks... If you have a problem go to #user-support-old... 
Let's just add temporary rule 26 - Too deep technical talk or otherwise suspicious talk is instant banable offense! π€£
what rule exactly, wishes ?
@grim canopy Ahahahaha
What we talked about was not anything technical lmao
which one prevent me from calling out a script kiddie ?
@grim canopy Careful you can still breathe if you brown-nose that hard.
Cause nothing is more encouraging for players than telling them they can't air their grievances when clearly the correct avenue that should work doesn't. /s
Let's make a totality regime, where unwanted words are banable offense @sterile ingot ! π€£
@wet sluice But they have not really anything to get him on. Best option is trying to get the cops to take action but them fixing the problem would happen 200x faster...
And into court? Well for that.. Trying to prove damages is gonna be hard
He'd stop once he was served. Turn a paler shade and turn his stomach.
Not really. In America, he's already committing a felony. Damages would be icing on the cake.
If he can even get served~
@wet sluice A company wont take you to jail though π The cops do
So unless the cops give a fuck, what often isnt the case. Nothing would happen
Legit there ISP might be the most caring to take action of anyone
Pretty sure he's in Russia. In the video (which the mods have removed to hide that this even happens) shows Cyrillic characters in the login section.
It is still on YT. Anyone can find it.
The ISP won't care as they're not technically breaking any laws, only the ToS of VRChat. It may technically violate laws like the Computer Misuse Act in the UK, but it would be too minor for the authorities to care.
Until the devs take it down somehow. Maybe copyright - it has the loading music not removed and they have copyright for it.
@devout berry
Thats not how copyright works
@torpid tree Try using your email to log in instead
There's a video from 4 days ago of them going into the Room of the Rain and turning everyone into that crasher avatar.
Legit the best option they have to stop this is flat out fixing the problem..
The moderation is so painfully lax that people are posting videos OF THEMSELVES ON YOUTUBE doing it, to no result.
Moderation has nothing to do with this. Please explain what they can do beside ban someone the second it happened.
Anyone got a tutorial on how you can play music thru your mic without repeating other application noises
This destroys the game's image. Any way to start taking them down?
@devout berry By removing there way of doing it π
Ban the user doing it (via something other than just account), ban the user that uploaded the avatar in the same way and then proactively keep on top of the issue rather than trying to brush it under the carpet. Obviously actually fixing the exploit needs to be done too.
@torpid tree I do it trough voicemeeter banana and player with selectable output device.
So you ban by ip what does not function as VPN's are common this day and age.
You want to proactively ban users? How can you pin point the guy? Details are needed for plans not just idea's.
Ow yea, forgot that. Totally no way at all to avoid that /s
There are programs that change all the data a program loggs on you on boot...
Privacy communties love that stuff you know
@torpid tree Until what time in UTC you will be online? I can make you a video tutorial, but first I have to get to my university dorm from home - catching train in under half hour.
Ok. I'll record it, put to my g-drive and send it to your DM.
π
@umbral reef Not trying because "there are ways around that" is a poor excuse. There are ways around everything, doesn't mean people still shouldn't try, especially when it acts as a deterrent too.
Plus, the more effort they have to go through to do something, the less likely they are to do it.
@faint skiff They already ip ban
HWID bans are just an extra hard step to add without large gain
Is it a hard step? It doesn't seem like it
And more effort indeed means less bad people
But it has to be effective
Given the current amount of "bad people" then any effort right now seems like it would be worthwhile.
Ow please explain then why almost all games IP ban for really bad things but almost never HWID ban.
I wonder if someone made a lyrics video with the n word in it if they would have to be black or not to type it in 
Ban based off the MAC address. Sure it can be spoofed, and a good hacker likely does, though then it's down to the Hardware* level.
I know literally one game that does HWID and IP banning.
Most online games actually have some form of cheat protection and don't need to resort to this level of nonsense
That, that's why
@sterile ingot You cant and thats dumb/useless to do
I wont care to explain why but a quick google should show you enough
@faint skiff So becaues games have anti cheat they dont use HWID banning?
"Well, there are ways around that, so why bother?" Apply that logic to most parts of laws or your daily life and see how much of a mess it would be if you followed that logic.
Stawman logic :5head:
Their anti cheat catches most, so they don't need to
It's not strawman, it's common fucking sense that you're trying your damndest to ignore
Rainbow6 siege community would like to talk with you
Well enjoy stewing in your ocean of piss then because you don't think anything should be tried because it's not 100% foolproof.
Let me jump into your logic then
So even if the software blocks most things. Why do companies still resort to using IP bans over HWID bans?
So you are going to explain π
Their anti-cheat plus IP bans likely get almost everyone, so they don't bother with hardware ID bans. Who knows, why don't you go ask them?
HWID bans are not effective
Ow shit, i forgot that actually means i am all for hacking and not at all for effective tools to punish users π
You know, I see only way - make the game "paid" by price of an auth token. Then you can ban that auth token from logging in.
I'm sure they're not completely effective, but they aren't likely completely ineffectual. These are two different things.
HWID and IP bans are pretty effective though.
In a way, "destroy a copy".
Not quite the explanation I thought. More like a claim.
bruh, just make it so that when the auto cheats detects a user cheating it detonates his pc, cant bypass that
lmao

If someone can bypass an IP ban they can eat enough glue to bypass an HWID ban

Fair
Why did you use discord quote when you weren't quoting anyone 
Gtg.
I did mention only a dumb hacker wouldn't spoof it.
Cya
Quote function can be used to stylize text too, say if you're emphasizing something that could be used for it
@indigo fern > could be used before quote... And as i used it way before the quote stuff got added its well uu janky
Ohh, does > auto do that
test
This server isn't the same without Jamie posting
Yikes, don't like that, should turn that off immediately
Its all about jamie dm's tho
π
you want to lewd talk with him in DMs ?
nono, we all know what you mean, its fine, we all do

β€οΈ β€οΈ

Yay it's Jamie the one and only. Now my day is complete
mine
XD
bruh


Jamie's is just too adorable and irresistible
And allready reserved 

why haven't you done anything btw ?

well, jamie might have not done anything, but that does not say anything about what others have done to jamie 
π

oh
eyes dart around
anyways i was thinking why would people hate you when your so well loved..


wow
I love you too svel 
Can i download Vr cHat without steam?
Jamie sucks eggs
question
You can get it on Oculus, so yeah
But not as many eggs as Paul
You can download vrchat on steam or oculus
@thick rock Steam and Oculus Store are the only two places you can download it from
Hating Jamie is a crime
lol hey Nor...
svel: "i hate jamie"
also svel: https://imgur.com/a/QGBzsIc
How daare u
Lmao the tabs
Hello Wishes.
i pay very good attention to minor details n8, thank you for noticing uwu
my screen keeps going dark then light again hmm
That's from blinking
oh wishes, its not random, its morse, he is trying to comunicate
"download haxx"
"Download PFHaxx"
literally me
Bahka knows me too well

bruh
no legos allowed here
A man has fallen for a man in lego city
Build the relationship
And get married in lego city
Lego City (each box sold separately)
lego city has gay marriages 
A city has fallen in a man in lego hey
nice repost nico
a hey has fallen into a city in lego man
A lego city has fallen into a man in river
Hey
Build the hey
A city has fallen into the city in lego HEY
im getting "aww man" flashbacks :bahkascared:
@cold talon π« wanna see
no
didnt ask u

Please π
h

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π
y

https://imgur.com/a/yX3hPGR :bahkashrug:
ok how does trust levels work
trust
they go up and down, just like stonks
what
but they mainly go down
no


they go up and down, just like stonks
@cold talon dead meme but good enough explanation
ok better question, how even does it go up
you have to invest in the STONKS, by visiting worlds, sending/reciving friend requests, account age, and playtime, and making contint cough
uploading contributes too
k
contint
contint 
receiving friend requests form trusted level users seems to be the fastest way, but also risky since if they unfriend you the stock price drops too, aka your rank
sending/reciving friend requests
yeah pretty good challenge

Iβm new user 
Well Welcome @torpid tree
i am literally user
Cry
like the registered thing with no ability
Wut
i do
Green rank π
or, between you and me dirt,
comes closer
comes even closer
comes so close its just a couple of cm away form your face
you can use haxx
police sirens start
shit gtg!
πββοΈ
Once Iβm user I can make my avatar world public and not just for friends 
i searched for vrchat hacks and now fbi is on me, thanks @cold talon
yes everyone
Ok @vocal shard
@torpid tree please dont ping the mods for non urgent matters
So you can ping the devs for non urgent matters?
I didnβt
you pinged dirt
Dirt isnβt a mod
^


oh wb jamjam
actually wasn't Jamie blue haired for a very short while?
This scrafty rig I just made has his Mohawk go thru the player viewmodel

nah that was the other jamie
Cri
not really fake, just another unit
Jamie is a robot. There are other models

we merely know this instance of jamie , but they are spread far and wide across the interwebs, ranging from myspace, youtube newgrounds to many more sites and servers, each a different unit, and each slightly diffrent.
Gonna grab my can of paint again I guess
Can we order our own jamie model?
O.O
@modern sand 
What was that ping for
Ruuubicks face looked kinda scary but after the kon was used, I cant unsee the slight owo the face contains
I feel like vrchat's systel should work like VAC when it detects and injector/external script/client it should just stop it entirely
Thats not how anti cheat works..
it should woprk liek that tho
somany hackers in csgo and vrchat
vac needs better shit
Anyone ese having trouble logging in?
it's taking a few minutes to get through the login screen
very slow
On the website at first, The game is fine
2020.02.16 10:46:07 Log - [VRCFlowManagerVRC] Resetting game flow because "Photon connection in bad state: PeerCreated": [RejoinInstance, ShowUI]
Yeah that's what the website kinda said
@vocal shard "It should work like that tho" yeah, ideally it should, but the reality isn't that simple
ik
I want some actual π now
And many hackers in VRChat? I dunno where you hang out but I haven't seen many at all
Might be because I generally don't go to the few places where they go all the time so I always manage to avoid them
people say they are mostly in The Black Cat and The Room of The Rain
I pretty much never go to Room of Rain
Youβre not alone l0l
Tbh instead of the team banning people, They should find a counter against the hack (until someone figures out how to crack it again)
You know that's not that simple
I know, But I can dream
Even competitive oriented AAA games struggle with it
You can minimize it, but you can't really fully stop it
I know that you cannot stop it, But at least make a patch to stop it for a small period of time.
Though, those games aren't free to play and do perm bans exclusively
It'll be worked around after hours 
I bet that even 2018 Unity will have mods very fast
Yep.
Viper was right this is basically CSGO
Unlike csgo, you aren't forced into official matchmaking
^
but instead of paying 20$ each time you get banned this game is free
Just stay out of the more dangerous/popular instances and you'll be fine
Donβt be an ass and youβll be fine. Nothing to do with popular instances
Phaxe
When it comes to people crashing you, it doesn't work like that
Just detach from most users in the community who want to meet new people without being a power user
Legit seen a video just random crashing entire instances
You could be a mute and people will still do something
@polar jasper Room clapping is the new hot thing
Change a whole rooms avatar into a selfcrash in one fell swoop
And popular instances are target of such things more often than not because someone who just made a new alt account can join without friends
I am well aware. But most of the cases that have come up, people havenβt really been the best
It has nothing to do with who you are or what you do, people just go to popular instances one by one and crash everyone
Until they get bored and go get upset at league of legends or something
From the examples i have seen the past few weeks? That does not apply at all anymore
2 monthish ago? Yea you would be right in most cases but now people learned about avatar swapping again its zzz
@pseudo basalt Or when they dont know how to reset there avatar after getting a crashed one...
If you don't have a VRC acc, that can be tricky
Because then you can't just go to the website and reset it there
At least I'm glad that I haven't had such issues yet
Well considering the people who do this are dumb
And have a 9mb avatar with a self crash on it just because meme tupper avatar, you can clear cache and just change avatar quickly half the time
Without even ctrl+\
I wish you could change your avatar on the website
you can
You can reset (to default), not change
^
From the RP side, I can see it be a good thing to swap before joining on a posted instance link
Well
While that would be nice, you can just go to your home world first, swap to whatever you want, and then use the instance link from within VR via your preferred desktop view
I have a speedloader world as my home world which is like 50kb
You can yes.
I don't have a issue with it personally, as I've written my own and use the API to do what I want to do.
Ah, very fancy
I load into my home world so quick that changing ingame isn't an issue, and using instance links while in VRChat works pretty well
Yeah the game kind of restarts and I lose my calibration for full body but, that's a problem with instance links themselves
It does, but the whole effect if getting the "{Logo} Next up.." isn't really that good looking
Hmm
I mean that's more or less what ends up happening when I'm already ingame waiting for the Community Meetup link
Yeah
It's also what happens when we run into problems during the meetup and need to regroup in the meetup world
Not a very good way of doing it but, it works, so like, 
It does, but wouldn't mind having it more streamlined
Agreed
Like, copy shortlink params into clipboard, then ingame have a button to paste clipboard shortlink and join
Β± or similar
Or just have the site send a websocket request to your client and have either join automatically or when accepted
Or that
I have this on my discord bot, so I can send !vrc inv {worldInfo}
I mean, ideally you are already logged in with the relevant account so should work like that
Yup
hello, i have a question because i want to go somewhere, how can i add friends in vrchat (with the pseudos)
@crimson basin Are they in the room with you?
Then open menu, click social and search for them.
It is never different, but is tied to the open tab.
No problem. English is not your primary language, I guess.
vrchats bugging out for me, i reinstalled it 3 times, non of my avatars are showing, no worlds are showing and non of my friends are showing
yeah, idk vrchat isn't even launching for me, so wondering is something is just down?
The number of users dropped below 10k, though not by much.
ive been having issues where it just sits at the loading screen with the spinning vrc icon
and when i do get in i cant go to my social tab or avatar list
mine is doing the same thing^
and the sdk is acting up too where when i log into it, it stays as signing in and when i do try to upload an avatar it just stays at preparing for upload forever. vrc is the big scuff today
yeah i have been having login issues
i cant see anyone on my friends list or my fav and personal models
took me a while to log on but nothing else loads
Hi I joined the server just to check in on this actually. I'll toss my hat into the ring of "get stuck on loading screen then it crashes" The outage sites all say VRC is fine and their twitter is silent, so I thought it was just me until the mods approved me and I saw this
Also hello
ahh
Someone force switched you to a crash avatar log in on the website and on the avatars section reset back to default
Even when Iβm able to log in, which takes forever to do and half the time it times out, nothing loads. My friends list is empty, avatar list is empty and world list half the time is empty. This is the worst the game had ever performed for me
You're not alone, I'm thinking the problem is on VRC's end.
And it's a bummer. I get time to hang in VRC a couple times a year at most so π€· Sucks that today's a wash
Iβve been pretty active all day and Iβve had zero issues regarding login times and the world browser and such.
avatars, etc.
Maybe you two are having connection issues?
Hm, VR Chat always takes a long time to load and things for me too, makes my computer slower, but I always assumed it was my computer since it's just a simple laptop
I've done everything on VRC's troubleshooting list, reinstalled the game, uninstalled from Steam and installed on Oculus. Nothing has worked and my PC is above average
Might be a connection issue, Iβve had zero issues regarding VRC
@vast current maybe the specs of your laptop arenβt the best for VRC if it makes your entire laptop slow down.
And take long to load ETC.
Any tips for troubleshooting a connection issue then?
That's definitely what I'm thinking. Oh well, soon I hope to get a better laptop haha, are there any tips for possibly making it run a tad bit smoother? Because it does still run for me.
Contact your ISP, restart your router, thereβs often a multitude of reasons for connection issues that could be firewall related on your PC or much more @glass crow
@vast current Try going to your graphics card settings (Nvidia panel for example) and turning down graphics quality, also look into disabling avatars that are βvery poorβ etc.
Some avatars can cause major slowdown due to particle effects and complexity etc.
Thank you, I will definitely try this!
The main way youβre gonna see a performance increase is through a hardware upgrade though, especially regarding VR (if youβre using a VR setup) VR can be very taxing to low power machines and make it unplayable
Remember that you can hold Shift when launching the game to change the graphics presets. By default it's on the highest
^ that too.
im on west coast USA and me, and my friends in that region are having the same issue.
its a shame because i needed to test out some animations i was working on. guess i wont be able to until this issue is resolved
Does anybody remember the song from this world. The world was called the "Anti Krew HQ" They used to have a bunch of deadmau5 looking characters and they used to have one with a megaphone that would play this Joji song. I don't remember the name of the song. I was hoping maybe someone knew the song. It seems like the world still exists but the deadmau5 characters are all gone. I'm just trying to figure out what joji song it was.
Do you remember the Lyrics?
I can get ya it, I own Ballads 1 on Vinyl @fading finch

Let me just...
Press my emergency run button.
Dont worry... Sometimes my chat decides not to scroll. 


Okay so I signed in with Oculus but my name doesn't match my Oculus account. Does anyone know how to fix this?
generally doesn't match? or has some random number/letters in the end
the latter one is normal
It's highly recommendet to use a VRChat account.
@jade charm is that where the song came from?
Ballads 1 is one of his albums (but lets leave it at that because the mod is watching us, vrc discussion or we die) 
The problem with my VRC account is that I changed the name a few days ago and now it gives me "Invalid username or password" for both my new and old names
What is the minimum graphics card needed to play VR chat with VR?
oh
1060 6gb version would be a good base
2060 if you want a decent VR Card with the latest support, from the newest nvidia line
i ask because the computer i bought has a 1650, which stated it was VR ready, however a few people have told me i will not be able to run it at all with a 1650
1650 should be fine isnt it?
My first VR setup was with a 1060, youβre good.
Well the thing is, i assumed, since the requirements are at least a 980 GTX, i thought 1650 was higher than a 980
Oh, it is worse then a 1060 
The new series namescheme is so fucking awfull 
slightly better then a 1050ti, so yeah absolute minimum
so i should be able to run VR at the very least
you should be able to run it yes.
but it'll not be the greatest, tho there is people with a 1050ti out there.
it should at least work.
so what exactly is it that makes it worse with a lower grade Graphics card? becasue it runs fine withought VR
Itβs weird how Graphics card naming goes regarding vidia
should I open another ticket then?
@shell narwhal Less Power and processing, Less vram etc
Nvidia naming goes with the first two numbers being the series and the second two numbers being the cards in increments of how powerful they are
its weird
nvidia's naming was super consistent till 1xxx gen, then the RTX crap and now even super and what not started. 
@jade charm from what iv been told, the naming is based on the numbers for example, my 1650, the 16 is the generation of card and the 50 is its power, 80 being the highest lower being 50 atleast from what i was told
well, what issues should i expect to happen with VR then?
*1650
and yea, everything else is above and beyond, its just my graphics card
Obviously it wonβt be as smooth as a more powerful card, but itβll be useable
I've seen the game run at 45fps on a laptop with a gtx 1050, 7700hq, and odyssey+. In vrlow, but with very poor shown. The only thing that caused problems was my brother's friend who had an avatar with like 80mats and 400k poly.
smooth as in itll be jerky while using VR?
With VR, you should be aiming for FPSβs of 90+
Most headsets have atleast a refresh rate of 90
some higher, vive for example has 90
you aint getting that in filed lobbies tho
took a fair bit of tuning though.
Yeah.
what about oculus rift s?
Yea, you'll never get 90 even on a high end rig, unless you play on beta (and have oodles of ram >24GB)
In vrchat I'm happy getting 20+ fps
But, in regards to general VR, you should be aiming for atleast 90 for a smooth experience
Lower can cause sickness and such
@wet sluice well i have 32 gb of ram so i think ill be fine for ram related stuff
What about your cpu?
uh how would i check that specificly
I'm pretty sure it's ram that saves you from crashing
I would assume the ram issue will be fixed eventually for beta, though it runs butter smooth if you have the ram
As I've never crashed with my 32 gb of ram despite my mediocre specs
alright one sec
just open task manager and check performance tab
cpu name in the top right when selected
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9750H CPU @ 2.60GHz
Yeah, thatβs fine
Mainly you just gotta look into a better card if you want the best performance
But, your other specs are totally okay
on a laptop xD
stay plugged in and ensure airflow
couldnt upgrade the card if i wanted, let alone afford it
you'll just have to hide very poors and accept that you'll always be around 45fps (it reprojects to 90, so you won't be nauseous at least)
laptops... just kinda suck for vr 
^
Desktops will always be the best options for VR
Issue is just that they arent portable.
Which sucks.
I'm on a laptop right now though and I'm doing fine
which is why i tend to stick with laptops because of the portability
good for you, if you're wealthy or bad with money then laptops can do just fine
yo is vrc back up? is anyone having major issues?
im sitting in vrchat now idling
ah
I'm still having issues with VRC idling
Duh, you're on a laptop (/s)
Welp, to MCC I guess in replacement for VRC
See ya
so my main question is, when a VR headset isn't hooked up, i have pretty good frame rate, ect, so what's the difference between that and using a headset?
F. its still broken atm
it should be the same shouldnt it?
@shell narwhal youβre streaming to a second screen inside your HMD
Well a vr hmd renders 2 displays at a higher resolution and fps
That means youβre basically running a multi screen setuo
*setup.
hence why your HMD uses a HDMI slot
i get that, but shouldn't it run just as smooth as the computer dose with out it being hooked up?
No, it uses more power.
oh rip
well, long story short, it wont be the best experience, but i should be able to run VR games at the very least right?
If VR headsets didnβt take as much power weβd all just be using sub-par laptops strapped to our backs for full movement wireless vr chat
you should be fine, donβt worry
It renders 3.33x more pixels than a 1080p60 display
oh damn
With lower latency requirements and with a tracking algorithm tacking up more cpu time.
(also i do appreciate everyone's help and input, its greatly appreciated)
Most of the time, I find that overthinking about if my device is gonna run something doesnβt help, usually its fine.
well, what would be a good option for vr then? currently im looking twardds the oculus rift s
If you're laptop isn't enormous (ie massive heatsink), then you'll need to take extra precautions to reduce overheating
Do you have displayport output?
you mean an HDMI port?
what about a type-c port? Open the nvidia control panel and go to the "configure surround, physx" page if you do
You'll need the usb type-c port symbol to be ontop of the GeForce GTX 1650 section
VrChat keeps making people cute in and out on their talking
If it is not there, your only option is the Oculus Rift (not Rift S) and Odyssey+. The two HDMI based VR HMDs
ok so what im seeing is, PhysX box, Geforce GTX 1650 on the left, and Intel UHD Graphics on the right, with a laptop display of the intel one
π€‘ 's
Vive is HDMI
Where is the symbol for the type C port?
i dont see anything that says type c
you alright if i just call you and screen share?
Still useable
I use og vive because my laptop (yeah, laptop right?) doesn't use display port.
OG Vive is not garbage. Perfectly usable especially with super sampling. Having wireless can make it a good headset especially if you move around a lot.
Anyone know whays going on with vrchat right now?
Apparently some people are having problems, might be resolved soon.
Its bugging out for me
I canβt tell on my end, it was working fine when I was playing last.
It was working fine eairly but now everyone keeps cutting out and i keep crashing
I wouldnβt think crashing is a part of the issue
Have you tried clearing your vrchat cache
Try reinstalling VRChat
Ill try
I keep getting kicked from my home world, sent back to VRChat Home.
Elaborate? The Default home? @sharp heron
The game will not allow me to join the world I made as my home world. It sends me to VRChat's default Home.
I have Cafe' Summer Sky as my home world. The game loads it, then it's like it fails to join and reverts me to VRChat Home.
Clear cache and rejoin so it redownloads the world?
can you actually join it normally, but going home bugs it and sends you to the default home?
@sharp heron same thing happened to me. And I was stuck on the loading screen for like 5 minutes
Seems like it's happening to numerous people tonight
Tried to join it normally. The game seems to detect it as a home. It loads it, but when it prepares to put me into the world, it suddenly loads VRChat Home instead.
I haven't had any instances of being stuck on the loading screen for 5 minutes though.
Probably another issue with whats been happening tonight
People have been having connection issues left right and centre, they should be fixed soon
Guess all you can do is wait it out
Fair enough. Just confused why I haven't seen any other reports coming in (as they usually happen when something like this happens).
Theyβve been pouring in all night from people complaining from being kicked from VRChat after joining another world, sign in issues, no avatars showing up etc.
oh so these problems are happening to everyone
When is Unity 2018.4 moving from Open Beta to Release? (are they aiming for a specific date?)
I've already moved my avatar to v2018
Nobody knows yet @signal sequoia
The team are mainly just waiting on Unity to update something on their end
Haven't seen you in a while hystero
@vocal shard if you want to point fingers, look no further than Oculus (and the Quest)
It's way better in the beta though, so it won't be like this forever
Network IK was planned and briefly tested before the quest was even announced. It was just implemented quicker than initially planned due to the quest
5 years later
Wasn't hackspanner one of the main dev working on it?
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
If you mean the actual IK algorithm, that's provided by FinalIK. Calibration and height is on the Vrchat side though.
Hi
Hello
you know you have a forbidden pfp
:banhammer:
Is it bad if I see nuisance rank as a trophy
Post that in one more channel and you'll get nuisance from me
Make me
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ye
i think someone just changed my avatar to one that crashes me upon loading
what do i do
If you have a vrchat account, log into the website and in the avatars section reset your avatar
Uninstall vrchat so you can escape that weeb hell and make your own company
Client users
@pseudo basalt actually its called "modded clients or hacked clients" technically every person is using a client
I will now jump off a bridge

If you want to get super pedantic, you're not actually modifying your client, you're using a third party mod loader to inject code into memory
That then allows you to load other stuff
if only you knew how bad things really are
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Pong 200ms
The modded "clients" are normally just using the public API so you can probably just use that to change someone's avatar, it's quite funny because it accepts a lot of things it doesn't. e.g. you can just change the IDs in the API call and do things you'd expect not to work, e.g. I could create a public link to (someone elses') private world and also create the session in someone else's name. Not sure why it's like that.
It would have probably been fixed without a client update if it was just the api
That or the official client relies on the inherent broken/openness of the API to function, and thus fixing the API would break everything else.
Don't think it accepts as much anymore
Some sort of login token would be a common security practice
I think it's just that it tells the server that you requested it
It does use a login token, it just still doesn't do any sanity checks and lets you do it anyway.
You can also query the API for private or hidden worlds, which you'd obviously not expect to be able to look up, given the name.
Well wouldn't you be able to just change other people's avatars with external tools
If all you need is to query the api
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Huh yeah, that would be a real problem, just being able to change other people's avatars. Good job that isn't happening at all, on a frequent basis.

You could change them to a self crashing avatar and people without a vrchat account wouldn't be able to switch off of it
Really glad that it's actually secure
wooow guys all the misinformation, pleeasee
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It's happening ingame tho
If you could do it outside then it would much easier to do en masse and harder to report
Fake news

It's more that you need to know the IDs of the players and places to use it, thus the people doing it are in-game.
I think, they should log the API calls and ban IPs that do malucious requests.
Hi
AYYYEEEE
Im on the rift s. and my gestures on my avatar is playing when im not even touching the controller. Is that normal? its pretty annoying since some of my avatars has some messy gestures...
yes
ffs it's been 2 weeks now, is it really so difficult to fix people force changing others avatars @covert chasm
why do you ping tupper ? he is not a dev xd
Ill let you think about that one
you should be the one to think actually
Taking one for the team ππ»
what do you think pinging tupper will do to help it go faster ?
exactly, nothing smooth brain
Jokes aside...
Unity 2018 update when?
It's been quite a long time since the last actual update
Can't find anything about that
Maybe i didn't look hard enough...
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@vocal shard There is no release date
and i still cant log in to vrc
Djay? Whats the problem?
I've been playing VRCHAT recently, and its super cool, but nobody can hear me? I through everybody was ignoring me at first, but then this girl took me to a room with a keyboard in and we typed messages to each other and it turns out my mic doesn't work in vrchat π¦
Try recording something on your voice recorder to test it and get it working.
What kind of mic are you using?
just the windows 10 voice recorder? I have a built-in mic and a mic attached to my earphones I can use also
your desktop user?
Yes, with the win10 recorder. Make sure you're using the right mic there, then when you go to your VRC settings make sure the correct mic is chosen there too.
make sure that you have the right input selected in settings and that you're pushing to talk
I tested the built-in as well as my earphone mic. The built in sounds fine, the earphone one sounds a bit crackly if I hold it really close to my mouth, but decent if its further away.
I'm worried it's a bandwith issue, but that doesn't make sense if Skype, Discord etc all work fine
so the mics work? and it's just vrchat?
Yeah. Is VRchat particularly demanding on wifi? I've tried to avoid rooms with more than 100 players to reduce lag.
Yes holding v
Other players can hear me, they just tell me I sound like crap
and they cant understand me
oooh
I work in IT so I feel dumb not being able to figure it out.
Well, it doesn't matter. Nothing matters.
that's just fez
Fez moment
void club lmao
avoid club 
i think they should make it so people cant breakl the limits of joining worlds
if a world is only 27 people. keep it at 27 and not let anyone else enter said world instance
I think nude avatars should be illegal especially for streamers just trying to make some new friends
Btw hello peoples
They aren't allowed. Nude avatars can lead to getting banned
Oh I've been seeing them way too much lately
Couldn't we add something like YT or others, that detect if there is too much of skin, or make something that checks if unwanted parts are exposed (torso, crotch, ...)?
Like I'm almost scared to stream vrc anymore cause of the nudies in public lobbies
All sorts of obscene shit that can't be unseen, unfortunately.
Most 'nude' that's acceptable is barbie/ken doll
When you make humanoid rig, it shouldn't be hard to implement texture check in selected areas based on rig.
Fortunately I'm an adult and can handle it, for kids it's not cool.
I'm dont care about the nude avatars like I'm old enough now but I just dont wanna get banned on twitch
Private rooms
Not even just twitch, There are more and more children coming on VRChat now
Few hours back I read someone has melody model. Probably that person now roams VRChat with it.
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There are so many kids in there, and they ask.
One asked me yesterday about worst thing we've seen on VR chat, and I couldn't answer him.
@sterile ingot Tell them, that the crashers are worst.
Well he told us about seeing some dude killing himself with a shotgun.
wtf
Yeah vrc needs to limit the avatars a bit
?!
Kids are seeing this shit.
Easy fix - no custom emotes. Just those from the staff.
He said they had put it up on the YouTube thing.
Most likely their parents don't care
Which means it was on YouTube.
Let's go paranoid! π€£
Worst thing i saw on VRChat is when I started
when people used screenspace shaders of pictures of gore etc
Oh, that S*IT!
I dunno, if theres a way to filter it somehow then please for the love of god tell me how, I would hate to get everything I worked for banned just bc of an avatar
I've seen some shit on those YouTube screens as well.
hi
The audio doesn't work for me, though I'd like to disable them.
@tardy crag Idk how. Maybe don't stream, but record and edit out.
Well, it's not a YouTube player, in vrc you can play a lot of different videos
Yet vrchat allows gross underwear avatars and yet we cannot use pepe and mac2nite/moon man
Frog ban! π€£
Whoa people wearing undies, scandalous
That does seem kinda silly, though it's their platform their rules.
Really @indigo fern lol
its an option, dunno how that will hold up especially with the youtube vrc hackers (referencing to naddition)
Don't even show those ankles
it just seems like youtube doesnt give a flying fuck when it comes to that kind of stuff
You know what you are getting into to- or don't because you don't bother to read the terms and get banned doing something pretty stupid anyways. Of all the hills to die on.
yeah because it's covered with tattoos
Youtube will just demonetise it @sterile ingot
300 hours every minute.
300x60 minutes of every hour x 24 hours of every day. 432000
at least 2
jesus christ
Mmmmmmmm, Pi
Pi day is coming soon! 3/14 Go out and enjoy some pizza, it's likely on sale (And maybe appreciate some math).
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uhh why did i de rank from trusted to known? i've been trusted for 2 months now and ever since i just got more friends, made more avatars and played a ton more
I feel like we couldn't trust you so I just dropped your rank
play more and you'll get it back
srsly tho xd
@static crow Have anyone blocked you? There are malicious mass blocks to derank people.
nope not really
Can't give trusted rank to everyone
it's a special rank for truly the very best
So it is timed? As if you take a break, you derank?
you are very special
aaaaand i just got it back
thank you
That's really weird.
Iβm guessing the way to get trusted is to continue to create and develop high quality things, worlds and avatars.
Which wonβt be too much trouble for me.
As soon as I get new user, Iβm dropping mainly out of playing and straight into generating content.
Do avatars first because worlds are available from user up. New user have only avatars.
Ah, Well thatβs not a problem.
If you can do it good, you can start even before you can upload and do commissions.
If you like 3D, it is nice way to make some moolah I think.
Iβd rather prove myself and my quality by releasing some free avatars, then Iβll start taking commissions right afterwards.
I will try my hand on modeling after I get my lingebra exam done. Got ZBrush Core back with my graphic tablet, so sculpting should be easier, than in blender.
Iβll have to take a deeper look at the SDK as soon as I get my permissions, it kinda upset me how you have to be a certain rank to be able to contribute but I can see why itβs in place, I just wish there was a way to get permissions to upload without actually playing, Iβm not too big on playing VRChat but totally into generating content for others, if that makes sense.
The last platform I created content for me netted me around 3.6K members on my discord server, that Iβd like to turn into a server for my VRChat Content, Iβm more used to creating things than actually playing other peoples things.
Also try doing some art in Krita, because when you can do your own character sheets for reference, it is easier to model original models.
My biggest thing Iβll have to learn is correctly rigging models, Iβm not the greatest at rigging but Iβll have to improve to provide more.
But I usually get stuck into it and crank out some interesting things.
Which type of models you want to do? Humanoids?
Anything that my imagination provides
Humanoids, Weird Interesting Avatars, anything really.
For humanoids, there are some prefab rigs available - just strech the bones and place them.
Yeah, thatβs true, but a prefab rig wonβt help if I do anything other than humanoids, so Iβll eventually have to learn to rig from scratch
Yep.
Iβve made rigs in the past, but they werenβt the best honestly.
Thatβs something Iβll improve on in time.
Or maybe delete some bones from the humanoid and use the rest in unusual way.
Could do that, Iβll always get my way around it, I have some pretty interesting ideas in store.
Just gotta hang out until I get my perms
Is there something preventing worlds from being uploaded at the moment? I don't see anything in announcements/server status or anything.
Oh my god, Im so dumb, nevermind
how should we know if it wasn't announced ? xd
There is a lot of connection problems that are not announced, because of them being regional - many times people complain and my connection is OK.
my friend just got into the discord he ca't see all channels and everything is that normal?
When someone in a public Black Cat just casually walks to you and nicely asks if you have crasher avatars.
WTF is wrong with people these days.
I mean that's been normal behaviour for a very long time.
First time happened to me and I have like 900 hours in this game. And that person was already wearing a crasher avatar and was a visitor with Steam account.
do you have a crasher avatar ?
mayhaps
vrc is infested with skids ...
Ok
The sky is blue
Water is wet
all solid facts
Water isn't wet
Not sure how to get ahold of the people who run this. But there seems that there is a post going around saying vrchat is to shut down next month.
Probably not
So random.
@cunning terrace where did you hear that from?
Definitely not true, but you ain't the first one who has seen/heard such thing.
theres so many things going around rn like people in some servers im in saying people are being banned for having playspacemover
Friend from another server just posted the picture.
Never believe everything you hear in VRChat or your best friends
@viral hill Thats also fake news
yeah i know its just annoying to hear lol
Just thought I would check. Also let people know.
"let people know"
i saw the picture too
Do your own research. Believe nothing offhand. We love our friends, though sometimes they see a vastly different world than our own.
so its 100% fake?
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Its so easy to spread misinformation and lies, like look: Sasha isnβt a 100% cutie
big lie right there

Yea. That's fo sho.
I exist
I finally took some pictures again
Hej
@molten gale Nice
Getting the new outfits on firina?
One of them is a new firina outfit
Well not new
I combined parts from 4 different outfits to make a really cool one
Thats why it was hard to make
Ill send pics later
Can't wait to see it. I'm going back to sleep now. I'll be up in like 3.5hrs again :p
Ill start postingg in the next 20 mons
stop pretending laptops are "gaming rigs" helps
Any of yall trynna vibe?
ok hisoka
@surreal escarp nope sorry
Lmao @tight gyro it be like that sometimes
alot of us can only afford low grade laptops for vrc. my dell laptop has an intel core i3 7th gen processor and it runs the game like shit but my hp has a ryzen 5 processor and runs it better but still dies when theres an instance that is suppose to only have 18 people but it has 40 instead
:(
the normal flow is
- buy better pc
- buy vr set
otherwise pc bottlenecks everything and it /hurts/
i have 30 hours on vr chat and i still cant upload my model what the heck
Does anyone know how I can contact the author of Mids avatar world? I kind of want to request a customized Meliodas.
@turbid lotus It's not based strictly on hour counts. To upload your own content you have to be using a VRChat account and have a trust rank of New User or higher. You get that by making friends and hanging out in public worlds, and avoiding being muted/blocked/kicked.
Is anyone else having issues using gestures and using the right touchpad on WMR? I've tried a lot of the community bindings but my right hand still won't do gestures or move left and right most of the time
A friend told me he benefitted from using more than 16 GB RAM when it comes to VRC. From my understanding you don't really need more than 16 for anything when it comes to gaming today. Why would it help with VRC? Opinions on this?
I also wonder how good your CPU/GPU can be before it stops mattering for VRC.
VRC isn't much like regular games as 95% of the content is user-made and a fair chunk of that isn't optimized, unlike in regular games.
Yeah that I've come to realize. So at a point the lag is unavoidable, also depends on the ping ofc.
Networking and framerate are barely linked
ram helps with not crashing due to the crasher avatars
Just a lot of people use lag interchangably to refer both to network latency, and low framerates.
When I say lag I just mean... lag, regardless of the reason for it.
I hardly ever crash. I would want to minimize lag as much as possible.
network-related lag and framerate-lag have very different causes, hence the need to differentiate them.
well both then...
lag is for client fps lag, latency is for network
Highest Single-Core performance... Go!
@mental shuttle just got a RAM upgrade from 8GB to 16GB today and I haven't had VRChat crash since. It used to crash all the time
It would make sense that someone has figured out when specs stop mattering.
@vocal shard well to have 8 even a few years ago was... very bad...
but that's good for you
Never what?
Except when it comes to multicore CPUs, as VRC doesn't make extensive use of multithreading. It does, but not in a way it can currently parallelize massive amounts of the workload.
it will be making better use of multicore cpus in the 2018 update though
For example, my i7 6820HL and my Ryzen Threadripper 1950x both run VRChat on a Vive Pro at equivalent framerates.
Well of course I have a multicore. But you can't answer my question then?
I'm saying it's not a question with a simple answer.
It should be... but ok thanks for the info anyway. I feel like someone must know.
well with vrchat specs never really stop mattering because everything is so unoptimized
oh that's what you said never to...
Like I said, outside of massive amounts of CPU cores/threads, better perf hardware means better perf in VRC,
so specs will always matter for VRC?
yes
just less the better stuff you get Im guessing
well then you did have an answer. but I'd like to hear it from more people to feel confident it's true
the better the better
at least I heard that CPU matters the most
Single-core speed/performance mainly, yes.

ye cpu is bigger concern
And I've run VRC on 3 different PCs, each better than the last and in most cases it runs better on each one as they got better.
so then having 32 GB RAM would make a difference?
Yup.
with lag I mean
[Alerting] ICMP latency/loss to Photon servers alert
when all the banned modders start ddosing vrchat servers?
you will notice that things loading in are smoother and if someone brings in a crash avatar you wont crash
my friend seems to think he lags less thanks to it
could you tell me a CPU/GPU that would be well enough for VRC at this point?
Both RAM and VRAM help if you're a mirror squatter since mirrors use a lot.
I upgraded my CPU not long ago and will upgrade my GPU soon
ry5 3600x and 1080ti is probably good enough?
if you run out of Vram, the pc start to use RAM, and if your RAM runs out you are pretty much down to 9fps
980 is equivalent to 1080?
Not at all
depends on the crasher. ive heard ppl with 64gb ram+ still crash
I'm looking to buy RTX 2060 in a couple of months
I have 32 gb of ram and the laughing avatar doesnt crash me
reasonable card
]With Nvidia cards the first (in 3 digit card models, first two in 4 digit cards) is gthe generation number, second is perf class (8 is highest) and third is Β―_(γ)_/Β―
great card, great price
A RTX 2060 should be fine
well Im not buying it new, that's way too expensive haha. but ok
Do you plan to use VR and if so what HMD?

im running a rtx 2070 super, and its kinda pricey for performance, so you might be better off with a 2060 price wise
Im also gonna get Super
the kinect uses a lot of cpu also
"ROG Strix Gaming OC" or "Dual EVO OC" Im confused by all the different names but after a lot of research I've landed on these
depends on budget really. if you got the money then get a 2080ti and flex on everyone π
Congrats Nekotaku, pc upgrades are super exciting
it will be best to wait until amd and nvidia release their new cards this year
haha
oh yeah... another friend told me I should do that. thus these will drop in price ye?
do we have any estimate on when they will release?
no
or at least when we'll know when they'll release
Depends on if the 30xx series have a reasonable price-perf ratio, unlike the 20xx on launch.
Im new to this so, do they usually not announce dates long beforehand?
so could be like anytime this year
when are the big events where it could happen?
tbh cards above the 2070 are kinda pointless unless you do some serious AI and/or rendering, not much that can take full advantage of them on the market yet
like ces, computex
vr takes advantage of the 2080 and 2080 ti
the extra vram really helps
yeeaah but price wise
I was gonna pick 1080 but then I was like I'll push it a bit more to future proof it as well
Future-proofing your content!
1080 is still a fair bit above average
For sure if your ram and CPU are a bit more future proof
I went from 1050 to 1060 quite fast. so want it to take much longer before I feel like I wanna upgrade again




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