depends what kind of people you want to meet
#vrchat-general-2
twin fractal
molten gale
Mic youll pay for that
twin fractal
umbral reef
Make sure the fans kick up into a higher gear once the stuff gets hot, that the air inflow and outflow are not blocked by anything and that they actually work
rigid crescent
š
lucid iron
okey ty
rigid crescent
did i fall asleep?
i dont remember much besides you joining w hen i was with Ctrl lol
rigid crescent
If you pay attention to Booth you can see most models showing up in Vket anyway
so most stuff there wasnt much of a surprise to me
twin fractal
you can screw around with the fan setting in "AMD Radeon Software" @vocal shard
rigid crescent
and plenty were entries from the previous year
molten gale
Yea
twin fractal
got my fan turned up higher than default, also moderate overclocking
molten gale
If I see a model I owm there ill take a dumb pic with the preview version
rigid crescent
I go to V-Ket for the novelty, I already know who is entering what before I even get there. The only surprises this year will be from the non-japanese creators since this is the first year they've been given the Englsih resources
devout berry
I am going to vket 4 when it begins just to experience the worlds, because the worlds are really nicely done.
rigid crescent
Western creators are the main thing I'm looking forward to in VKet4
rigid crescent
Looking forward to seeing Sentinel's robot stuff for sure
devout berry
Hope they will also archive it as the last two ones. Those were doable, but 43 worlds? Hell no! + add university into the combo.
umbral reef
We need more robot avatars š
molten gale
I wonder how the jp community will react to the western content
vocal shard
how do I get to fan settings @twin fractal
rigid crescent
https://twitter.com/Sentinel373 Sentinel's stuff is super cool, worth checking out as far as robots go
devout berry
VR Pill said something about being pity, that westerners don't have their event like this.
molten gale
They dont rlly need it tho
rigid crescent
Because American companies aren't as interested in this type of thing, so it's pretty clear why lol
molten gale
Because most use eboys and egirls anyways
rigid crescent
That's not why. Events like tihs require organization and money
devout berry
In my opinion, vkets are more about the experience, than shopping.
molten gale
ye
rigid crescent
There's fewer western creators as well that are also interested in VRC
It's a combination of things, culture and market being two of the biggest factors imo
twin fractal
@vocal shard performance > tuning > manual > advanced control
umbral reef
I wonder if the problem of western people not giving a fuck about stealing things like art or avatars also effects it
rigid crescent
It's probably unrelated to that
vocal shard
found it thanks
umbral reef
I know people in Japan are way more strict about it
rigid crescent
Like the "downside" stuff isn't what affects it so much as the possibilities
umbral reef
Well, for normal art atleast. I honest to god have no idea about avatars
rigid crescent
and the fact that Japanese VRC has a lot more professionals interested in tech and weeb shit, whereas you dont have that type of crossover in other cultures
umbral reef
Ow for sure but i dont think its something companies in the non western world ignore
rigid crescent
Phio didn't just say "hey me do vket now" with no experience. A lot of people doing the big JP stuff are like people who do this shit as a career
you don't see the same type of people interested in that type of thing here just because they have better shit to do and the weeb+tech culture isn't as engrained
devout berry
About avatars, there were a nice few articles on the net, that in a nutshell said, that we should be glad, that we are now "invisible" to Disney and the others, because when we become exposed, then the lawyer hell will begin.
rigid crescent
lol they know, no one cares. its not worth their trouble
There's a better chance all these companies know about the copyright shit in the game. I doubt many know what the fuck VKet even is
umbral reef
Lawyer hell = dmca strikes and nothing more
rigid crescent
Like odds are they'd see one of the gajillion VRC youtube videos and someone in the company say "oh thats illegal. oh well not worth it" than they get "distracted" by VKet's existence lol
umbral reef
Like unless you live in a pro copyright country its hard for them to take action
So its easier for them to tell the platform your on to remove it
rigid crescent
We don't have it because we don't have the people with the skills, knowledge, time, and interest to make it happen. Simple as that.
devout berry
There were also few articles where they shown, that for example Disney in particular don't play nice. They do: pay or sue to deal with copyright stuff.
umbral reef
Mic you know we are talking about the company who goes after local small schools doing funraisers?
devout berry
And they also sue for fan works.
rigid crescent
They were selling tickets to a showing. It was an illegal movie theater essentially, so yes
And the fact they know about some random ass school doing some little fundraising event and NOT this internet phenomenon of a game? Unlikely
especially at its height on youtube
umbral reef
Same thing i said back then, legally right aint ethically right.
Also, the movie wasnt the reason for the event or was locked off. The problem was that they showed the move publicly.
devout berry
I feel, that about 90% of copyright law is big company protecting sh*t!
indigo fern
Nintendo does weird stuff too, like shut down plenty of projects using their IPs, whether funded or not
rancid flame
copyright and patent law used to protect actual innovators back in the day
umbral reef
It purely is
Copyright isnt there for most smaller people. Fair use isnt what we think it is and doesnt work as most people use it.
devout berry
Yeah, fan work killing! Is that way to treat your fans?! I think not!!!
umbral reef
@rancid flame Far back in the day and thats a patent not really copyright...
devout berry
And funny fact: Who finished Starfox 2 for them? HMMM?
indigo fern
I don't mind fan work killing like those Pokemon projects dying, literally just make your own thing like tentem or something
If you think you can make a better version, make it your version, not a fix of theirs
People will end up making comparisons and give exposure either way if it's decent enough
umbral reef
tentem is also realllly close to being in trouble
And now that its made, anything thats perfectly tentem is also copyright and off limits
devout berry
And now what they use, when it is completely community project?
indigo fern
Yup, they got past their hurdles and now it's out in the open
umbral gate
Hi Iām doing so virtual reality remote hypnosis (so basically you have a light hallucination that the graphics are inception level realistic), whatās the best way to get the news to people and invite them to try it out?
twin fractal
I saw a YouTube video on that I think 
rigid crescent
Twitter or Youtube probably
devout berry
Maybe try to get into some VRChat streamer/let's player's stream/video.
rigid crescent
maybe an event?
devout berry
Yeah, maybe you could make a illusion show at set time as an event.
lyric cypress
hey i just joined into vrchat in desktop mode before hopping into vr soon in some hours what worlds should i load its impossible for me to load worlds any fast in vr i need to know now please
some maybe famous or really used world
some big worlds that eat up a lot of mb
vocal shard
try pvp style worlds lol if there are any active
the aim is just like playing an fps game
lyric cypress
any other big heavy mb worlds?
vocal shard
not completely sure
inner cape
@lyric cypress you can see the worlds size in mb whenever you open it in the menu
lyric cypress
yeah but i dont care about it much because now im on desktop i just need to preload as much worlds as i can
whats that one house called
the skyscraper it even has a vive in it it has one main room and a roof
calm stone
you mean room of summer solitude? or whatever its called
the one with a hong kong background
tropic bridge
hello uh, how do we found the pics we take with the tablet thing please ? ^^
desert stratus
in your Pictures folder
tropic bridge
thank you ! 
trail bay
does anyone know where i can find a pathfinder avatar?
static ridge
Djdjd
maiden condor
can someone help me with uploading 2 models to one avatar slot? (one for quest and the other for pc)
narrow quail
Is there any difference between VRc through steam or the website?
rigid crescent
yeah, just use the website account
hollow sluice
@maiden condor switch to android build and copy the avatar id on to the other model
finite kraken
whenver my friend goes to a different world i would have to close the game and relaunch because it does not update the friends tab to their new world only the oen they use to be
pseudo basalt
It usually takes some time
finite kraken
i use to would swap to a different public world and let it refresh
umbral reef
Don't close the menu before it updates or it will get stuck
rigid crescent
https://twitter.com/phio_alchemist/status/1226738455910109184 Phio's dropping a set of T&C for people who make content for VR to use, thats pretty sick
fading flower
Noice
vocal shard
hi
vocal shard
hey
hot scarab
hello! can you guys make a #hungarian international chat?
vocal shard
@vocal shard youmu from touhou
acoustic belfry
@severe lily the guy posted a dox link
north axle
@hot scarab The admins might consider adding new channels if enough people ask them to do it. The most convenient way to contact them is usually by sending them an email, you can find their contact info on the website.
vocal shard
thanks
charred tulip
Hewwo
scenic hill
Hello I was wondering if anyone has seen a neo Avatar from rwby I've searched a bunch of works but haven't found one yet
languid beacon
What is VRChatās stance on using a modified client to force change everyone elseās avatars to either NSFW or Crash avatars so they canāt log in, regardless of their safety settings, is this considered a bannable action yet?
umbral reef
If you report someone for doing it they will get banned
So its always been a bannable action
The problem is more that they havent pulled the plug yet on the stuff that allows it
languid beacon
I can tell you that the majority of people hit with this are not the ones that go on discord or reddit asking how to unstick themselves. A good 90% of people hit will assume VRChat is broken, not reach out to anyone; and just not play until either the avatar blueprint is deleted or VRChat makes their client not crash from it
pseudo basalt
They'd be dumb to ignore it and wait it out
It's clearly an issue they'd want to fix
devout berry
It is pity, that those wrong commands are not fishable by looking at packets. If they were, just writing a simple mitm external packet interceptor would solve it by restricting avatar change commands including packets.
pseudo basalt
Rampa, most people won't even ask for help in here, you expect them to install something to filter their packets?
languid beacon
Most people wonāt Iāve seen stuff like this. Itās a traffic killer as people just assume the game is broken and move on. Not everyone is an obsessive, and go on a big journey to fix their accounts
devout berry
@pseudo basalt Nope? But it would help those who know about it.
languid beacon
The people who post on discord or reddit about their crash loop accounts are the rare ones
pseudo basalt
I can reset on the website just fine
Not that I need that, my game crashes regularly on it's own
languid beacon
For every one thereās probably twenty who just give up
devout berry
But it is still an annoyance - if it could be caught and discarded, you would not even notice or it would be just a small lag introduced by packet drop.
languid beacon
I think it might be worth VRChat defaulting to a grey robot on log in by default until they fix the exploit
pseudo basalt
Tons of people will complain about losing their avatar when their favorites are full
umbral reef
@pseudo basalt This problem has technically been known for months on end
But its only now being really abused
If they legit cared about it they could have solved it by now honestly
They just have a higher priority for working in the 2018 build without removing/bricking some things
pseudo basalt
There's plenty of ways they could handle it
languid beacon
The last logged out avatar could be an option
umbral reef
Also all the steam/oculus users who cant reset there avatar
pseudo basalt
Look at how windows handles it. If your game doesn't exit successfully more than once stop on the loading screen and offer a few buttons to reset your home and avatar
Like, there's ways to fix this but it's on the devs
Well you don't know how their client networking works
Might be more complicated to prevent others from forcing you to do stuff
I kinda doubt they think it's not that big of a deal and that they should just work on 2018 and lose some players along the way
umbral reef
There are clients out there that already block it...
If some of these script kids can just block it flat out with some problems as a result (that are less bad then not being able to play) then the team should also
pseudo basalt
Let's just ask tupper to link to a client that does it then
devout berry
Wanna get in trouble?
pseudo basalt
Why, it's gonna help
umbral reef
I dont use them so i cant give them to you
Im more into the not going into public at all group
pseudo basalt
Hey @TuŃŃer can you link this one client in an announcement until you guys fix the issue
languid beacon
Yeah Iām in the ālol donāt go in public ezā crowd but itās a real issue regardless
pseudo basalt
It's clearly sarcasm
I also don't have an issue with it because I avoid popular maps, dead public maps are fine
vocal shard
Rampa dont understand sarcasm at all
Don't even try it
devout berry
Problems of proprietary software: Even if users know how to patch it up, they are restricted to do so legally by TOU (terms of use)/EULA (end user license agreement).
@vocal shard You're not right. I get it sometimes.
pseudo basalt
Well packet sniffing is probably against some tos as well
But if it's not enforceable, it's only really valid in court but who will sue you
As long as you don't tell anyone, you don't get into trouble
devout berry
I haven't read in any TOS of any service that you are restricted to monitor your network.
pale timber
sniffing
ember zinc
ŠŠ»ŠøŠ½ Š³Š“Šµ ŃŃŃŃŠŗŠøŠµ
vocal shard
Had a fantastic weekend like last weekend, got to learn sign language when I was drunk XD
Good times, got to get on and learn more š
pale timber
imagine
devout berry
Yeah, sniffing could be classified as network communication tampering. @pale timber
vocal shard
I am right since I'm never wrong
fading flower
What's good
vocal shard
CrĆŖpes
vocal shard
Wow, not sharing with your homies š
devout berry
Btw, pretty interested about the payment part of TOS. Are we awaiting free usage limitations and arrival of sub plans? Or is it just for the in game currency coming in future?
fading flower
Pog
pale timber
i never ask but rampa has to explain it. makes sense
rigid crescent
Here we go again. Monetization has been planned for ages.
vocal shard
Just make vrchat subscription based at like 10-15 bucks per month
Ez clean
devout berry
Ez clean of majority of community! Same as if you were charging for Facebook - everyone would say screw it and leave.
pseudo basalt
Knowing facebook, people would probably pay lol
Kids are on instagram and tiktok already anyway
It's the older people and indians that are still on facebook
devout berry
- do not forget, that bucks are pretty expensive in some states.
pseudo basalt
10-15$ per month is clearly an exaggerated price to make it seem more like a joke rampa
devout berry
Usual rate of CZK to USD is about 20 - 25 CZK/1 USD.
pseudo basalt
Most services probably stick to 5$ a month so it doesn't look like much
devout berry
I know, just presenting, why it is unusable strategy.
pseudo basalt
And people are more likely to subscribe to it and forget to cancel
And offer discounts if you sub for a year or more and give you a small discount but which also keeps you coming back even more so you don't feel like you wasted your money
psychological manipulation marketing sure is great
main reason i really don't like subscription models in games
mighty nest
Buy to play with unlimited trial account :>
rigid crescent
Lol
devout berry
I hold my policy of subscription based software sux. I am willing to pay normal license, but not a sub. plan. Use FOSS alternative if available.
pseudo basalt
I pay for discord only as a subscription. Monthly
But i use it all day everyday so I think it's fine
devout berry
Someone is not a good at saving money here.
rigid crescent
Uhh
No, I spend money on products and services I enjoy?
These all benefit me so why would I not?
pale timber
rampa going at it yet again
rigid crescent
You're just cheap lol you've already let us know that with the other foolish arguments you've had against monetization.
devout berry
The reason, why sub. plans exist instead of normal license is, that it looks like cheaper variant, but when added up, they will suck more money from you than from one time payment.
rigid crescent
Ok
devout berry
I stand by normal license monetization. Subs are money pullers.
rigid crescent
K
vocal shard
Iām new here. What channel do I go to for help with the vrchat unity character creator thingy? Thanks
pseudo basalt
vocal shard
Ok ty
mighty nest
amazed it's not a "can I ask a question?" question
twin fractal
lol
pale timber
can i ask a question
vocal shard
Anyone know how long it takes to become New User from first time playing? I play for a few hours everyday and make a few friends in the timespan.
broken plover
should take about a week if you keep up socializing and making alot of friends if you play a few hours every day
pale timber
can i ask a question
broken plover
can I ask for allowance to ask for permisson for asking a question?
pale timber
can i
broken plover
"iDk CaN yOu?"
pale timber
may i
rigid crescent
You gotta link Jamie's video now when people ask about the trust system :)
pale timber
can jamie become a vtuber
vocal shard
he is already a v tuber
indigo fern
she*
vocal shard
Xe* you biggot
indigo fern
wow, calling me fat now
vocal shard
don't be fat then
rigid crescent
I shill tf out of Jamie lol
pale timber
^^
vocal shard
š¤
pale timber
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vocal shard
uwu uwu rin uwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwu
vocal shard
sadly
pale timber
uwuwuwuwu
languid beacon
vocal shard
are you bullying me ?
tribal hornet
If anyone has contact to naddition, could you please tell him to respond to me on twitter s please? Somatic93.
Thank you for your time.
pale timber
no
hollow breach
I shOWed YoU mY DiCk PlEAse ReSpoNd
nocturne valve
Is there any other way I could download the Oculus Setup app for Windows?
Bc omg the installer is just...
90 kbps - 120kpbs
Back to 1990s
languid beacon
Uh no I donāt think so
nocturne valve
Well, yeah
languid beacon
You could have a friend mail you a usb
compact river
When mail is faster than download
nocturne valve
Which none of my friends use Oculus bc they're smart
vocal shard
I don't expect to get attacked by a stranger like that
languid beacon
You arenāt gonna have a good time on VRChat with that connection speed
languid beacon
I love my oculus. I would prefer an index, but that would only be possible if valve made vr headsets, which they donāt
nocturne valve
And sorry for anyone who felt personally attacked
I'm just super pissed at the kind of experience I got
languid beacon
Letās look at the numbers. Amount of valve index headsets sold in the last 3 months: 0
nocturne valve
Faulty unit, bad software
compact river
You know they do provide actual %s for for vr headsets
languid beacon
The store has literally been out of stock for 3 months. They havenāt sold squat
compact river
It started to be sold after the vive pro but still have more out than it for the higher end
It terms of people who use steam
nocturne valve
I would absolutely have Vive for Oculus
languid beacon
The reason there are so much rift s sales is valve has eliminated themselves as an option by being out of stock for 3 months
rancid flame
To be fair they have been producing as much as they can
nocturne valve
Thinking about dumping my Oculus for cheap and buying my friend's old Vive for 150
rancid flame
And with the Corona virus things have been in a bit of a disarray
languid beacon
Producing? They arenāt selling anything. Itās not like a wait list or anything and they are slow dropping them. They arenāt for sale at all
nocturne valve
Down to 60kpbs, boys
nocturne valve
If only I had more money to afford an actual headset...
rancid flame
You know that they are fulfilling all the back orders from the alyx announcement right?
It's not like they are not producing nor selling any
languid beacon
Those are sales from before 3 months ago
compact river
O thats right that showed up in my library one day
languid beacon
For 3 months they have no sales
rancid flame
They are fulfilling the orders from said sales
languid beacon
Yes Iām not talking about back orders those are from before November and just late
rancid flame
I'm still confused what the issue is
languid beacon
From dec 1st onward there is no get put on a list itās just not for sale
rancid flame
Well it is for sale just out of stock
languid beacon
Then itās not for sale. For sale out of stock means get put on a waiting list
rancid flame
I would assume the reason they don't have a waiting list is so they can catch up on the back orders and have enough in stock for rmas
compact river
i got mine early because people did not claim the spot they reserved in time
languid beacon
They actually were out of stock the entire month of December
rigid crescent
Valve can't keep their product in stock because they have to RMA hundreds of pairs of controllers
languid beacon
So they had no Christmas sales
rigid crescent
Lol
rancid flame
They don't need Christmas sales considering the alyx announcement
And considering the index use on steam is up to 140k hmds if I remember correctly its not like they aren't shipping anything
devout berry
Geez! My phone started to flip out out of nowhere. It is not nice when this happens while streaming VR.
languid beacon
Just sucks having a grand sitting here and I canāt even buy it lol
rigid crescent
With what people have projected the controllers to cost theyre definitely taking a hit
languid beacon
Tempted to just get a rift s instead tired of waiting
rancid flame
It's worth the wait
No point in buying an inferior product when it will be back in stock by march
compact river
I have full kit + an extra base station i messed someone up with that extra haha
languid beacon
Inferior product is less than half the price and I can have it today
devout berry
Fricking antivirus! It flips out because of AV scan. Desktop mode then.
graceful trout
Ah
rigid crescent
I'd rather wait til it's not a defective product lol
I'd take no product over a "superior" ticking RMA
rancid flame
It's not like they leave you in the dust lmao
rigid crescent
They've left plenty of people in the dust while they restock
languid beacon
I already have 1.0 base stations and 3 2.0 body trackers. Just need the index and controllers
rigid crescent
For some people it takes weeks to get a case resolved
rancid flame
What? It takes most a week max to get an advanced rma
rancid flame
I haven't seen someone have a bad experience with index rmaing yet
rigid crescent
Theyve jerked around plenty of my friends before accepting their RMA especially if it's a headset issue
languid beacon
I had to rma my vive base station twice and they sent it back without it being fixed twice. They still wouldnāt refund it or rma it for free and wanted me to pay a 3rd time for shipping
rigid crescent
Bad experienes are people who have to RMA headsets. They just like to jerk people around
compact river
Ooof
rigid crescent
"it's ok if the product they sell basically has a 100% chance to break in a few months. You can get a new one!"
I don't wanna deal with that seeing as I only want the HMD. That's the worst shit to have to deal with. My friend Hara is on his third and he's been through hell trying to get it sorted.
languid beacon
We talking about Index vive or oculus
rigid crescent
Index.
languid beacon
Screw this im getting a quest
compact river
Never really had a problem with index hmds in my groups
vocal shard
I'm aware of 0, your argument is now invalid, sorry zoomer
languid beacon
Iām going wait until there is no back ordering or stock issues. When I can order an index and get it 4 days later Iāll go for it
rigid crescent
Lol I know it's anecdotal but I'm saying I don't wanna risk it. I keep forgetting to go survey mode and go through pubs and stuff to see what the numbers look like.
rigid crescent
It's not worth it. I don't want the controllers so the chances of having an issue are lower but it's still north worth imo
They'll just RMA forever
vocal shard
doesn't matter for me in the end since they don't even sell the Index in my country
rigid crescent
But it's ok because it's valve. Valve can do no wrong
compact river
languid beacon
Man I wish Quest could play VRChat properly
frosty veldt
They upgraded the hardware of the newer controllers IIRC
rigid crescent
Yeah to fix the stick not pressing
Nothing done about drifting
They extended the metal pin a millimeter or two lol
languid beacon
Drifting can use advanced controls to give yourself deadzone works perfect
rigid crescent
And that was just so it audibly clicked. Apparently they still worked just didn't click.
languid beacon
Clicking wouldnāt be important to me as long as I could feel tactile feedback
rigid crescent
They have yet to fix drifting tho
frosty veldt
Just get some heelies for your avatar :)
compact river
rigid crescent
Tru
vocal shard
@languid beacon from videos though, it's not like slight drifting. On the steam overlay you can see that the stick will keep registering the previous full directional input when the stick returns to 0, or the controller won't even register the stick movement half the time on bad cases
languid beacon
Oh yikes my GameCube switch controller did that itās not mechanical drift itās a electrical short
Shouldnāt be considered drift itās a component failure
devout berry
Low quality potentiometers?
languid beacon
Yeah it full on blasts left at 1 when dead center otherwise it reads fine. But dead center reads as full left
Thatās not drift not in the traditional meaning
rose sequoia
Im having some issues
When I try to sit on a chair or another avatar it makes me stand 0w0
Anyone know a fix?
vocal shard
UwU
jolly kernel
A woman height 171 cm 5'7.32 uh.
vocal shard
Here's an example of someone's index contoller input
https://youtu.be/uvZpHvCs3ug
ridiculous
frosty veldt
@rose sequoia You're probably using a custom animator for sitting. If you have a custom idle you can't have the same animator for standing+sitting controllers
devout berry
Fun fact: Some of the loading messages still reference the original non rounded UI.
nocturne valve
Meanwhile in Oculus Land
https://postimg.cc/gxpjzc6Q
rigid crescent
SMH Index controllers break after a few monthS meanwhile my wireless GC controller still works :)
vocal shard
And here we were complaining about some Vive wands loosing their click after 3 years...
Volvo plz fix
indigo fern
I can take my n64 controller and swing it around by the wire like a flail
Volvo fix controller 
vocal shard
An actual Volvo made contorller would probably never break
Does someone know when you join them?
Like do they get some sort of notification?
Or can you totally surprise them?
indigo fern
Depends on the world, but most dont have notifs
twin fractal
you can surprise them
vocal shard
cool
keen trench
mighty nest
Just controller issues, or full on system bugs?
vocal shard
Controller mainly
mighty nest
Eh hope they are sorted out eventually. I was going to order one during Christmas but then they all sold out so now I'm just waiting for the next best opportunity.
astral granite
yo
rigid crescent
you'll have to send your controllers back....basically tilt he end of time, but otherwise they're neat
languid beacon
Holy
This chat is like a rift s commercial with how much of a bad deal you all make Index feel
umbral reef
Hasnt this chat always chilled for facebook?
Unless they legit did something bad, then it hated on it for a week and will return to normal after that.
languid beacon
I legit love touch controllers but the rift itself is pretty darn blurry
desert stratus
index is definitely not up to the standard of something that parades itself as a professional device but it is definitely overall superior to the rift S imo
languid beacon
I would hope so considering Index is 1000 and rift s is 399
desert stratus
i only shill it a lot because a lot of people getting into VR are, well, getting into VR, and i dont want to overwhelm them or their wallets with the option that's 150% more expensive with a bit more setup
odd blaze
For that price it better be
desert stratus
and even then there is also the O+ at the 200-400usd price range
the thing is that the headset itself is pretty good but a lot of the problems people report are always about the controllers
odd blaze
3 friends have index, they all sendt left controller back
desert stratus
so to be more specific, the controllers are not up to the standard of a professional-grade product since they end up with thumbstick drift or other issues every 3-6 months
languid beacon
This $1000 product is better than this $399 productā well gee I would hope so lol
desert stratus
i think thrillseeker had issues with his index headphones
yeah lol i just wanted to say
if youre considering index you can be reasonably confident in your choice. it's one of the first headsets of its kind (the vive pro is a joke of a professional grade device and youre not changing my mind) but the controllers themselves may bring the experience down over time, since you will likely have to RMA them regularly every few months or so
but it's definitely worth upgrading from rift S or other headsets to if you want one
rough pulsar
They have made some visible revisions to the thumbsticks so we'll see in a few months if that fixes the issue
desert stratus
if they past the 3 month test then they succeeded
rancid flame
they have had visible revisions to the thumbsticks
there were some pictures on reddit of the changes between an older controller and rmad one
languid beacon
Like maybe instead of an index Iāll buy two Rift Sās and a $200 gift card for some games for me and a friend, but thatās just my two cents, which also happens to be the price difference.
desert stratus
gifting vr > having better vr
rancid flame
eh...
languid beacon
Sharing VR is nice but you donāt want to headset that someone else played hours of beat saber in
wet sluice
Yea... I always make sure to wash and tumble dry my facepad before anyone comes over. A facepad with 20 hours of beat saber... I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
twin fractal
heard
rigid crescent
no 2FA? Das cray
indigo fern
imagine š
wet sluice
It's honestly strange people still don't use 2FA. It's 2020 ffs.
Who is naddition tho?
eternal locust
2FA what is that?
wet sluice
:|
vocal shard
2 factor authentication
eternal locust
I saw that.
wet sluice
Oh, sorry I thought you were just shitposting. Enable it on all your accounts. As a bonus buy a u2f key too.
Though now certain Android phones and iPhones can act as u2f devices, so you don't necessarily have to buy one.
eternal locust
No worries (idk if you were adressing too me).
wet sluice
Go through every account you have and enable it. It makes it near impossible for someone to break into your account even if you use a bad or reused password (though you should still use good passwords and not reuse password even with 2fa)
vocal shard
Got a quick question
I'm in VRChat with my oculus rift s, and it seems that when I move my head too fast it almost seems like vrchat can't keep up and renders black sides for a few milliseconds and then renders what it was supposed to be
Any suggestions?
rancid flame
get a better pc
vocal shard
Thanks bro, I'll upgrade my 1070
:^)
VRChat is the only application that does this.
rancid flame
vrchat is just a demanding game
inner cape
vrc is very cpu demanding, yeah
plus the game and a lot of user content are unoptimized
vocal shard
I mean I also have an i7 6700, it really should be plenty.
rancid flame
I have a 1600 oced and i get around 20-30 fps usually
vocal shard
Just was trying to figure out if I was running something wrong.
inner cape
in most cases, lag is caused by a large amout of players or by a number of horribly unoptimized models in the lobby
so, look out for that when evaluating you performance
cause even insane set ups will lag
rancid flame
the performance rating is pretty useless though so you mostly just gotta live with it. turning off nameplates can give you a good amount of fps
vocal shard
Just wish the game was more optimised but what can you do I guess.
inner cape
the 2018 update will bring a lot of optimizations
rancid flame
soon**
inner cape
nobody knows when it will come tho, yeah
vocal shard
Soonā¢
whole spindle
any one here know how to fix the issue where my avatar is completely invisible no matter what i seem to do DX i have been trying to fix for hours!!
theres pretty much no info any where that seems to make sense and work ...and no i dont use mmd models
odd blaze
turn off oculus 'Asynchronous Spacewar' in oculus debug, it tries it best to do compensate for loss of frames ,but in something like vrchat you just get black bars on side/or smear looking pixels instead.
whole spindle
i dont have aheadset
odd blaze
hit enter to fast :p was for @vocal shard
whole spindle
OH ok
odd blaze
any avatar you use or just that one ?
whole spindle
well any one i make
vocal shard
I'll try it
whole spindle
x.x
glacial zealot
what's the application used to have windows in vr games?
Like discord
wheat cape
OVRdrop
hollow ingot
Ooohhh, that's what that was about... with someone wanting contact with them via Twitter earlier today? ._.
wheat cape
I use the old open source version personally
glacial zealot
ok thanks
coral gate
Is it socially acceptable to play without vr?
vocal shard
Ofcourse
vocal shard
a few of my friends have been playing without VR for a couple years now
coral gate
aight thanks
hollow breach
Must be fun
vocal shard
They enjoy it. Having good friends and making avatars is what keeps them coming. No need to be sarcastic
i NeEd A vR nOw
crisp cloak
Hello
hollow breach
I get the avatar and world making part, but I personally donāt see the fun in desktop mode
sterile ingot
When looking through thousands of avatars, it's nice not to have to deal with smooth locomotion.
Especially if you get VR sick easy.
lucid iron
how is the movie night legal??š³š³
indigo fern
š¤«
lucid iron
ooo ok gotcha gotcha
amber oak
Bloop
coarse blaze
is anyone on the rift s and did their virtual desktop also break after recent update
lucid iron
epicš
hollow sluice
I thought it was. I thought the creator was paying for a license to stream them
vocal shard
hmm. is there any vrchat team member who i can talk to ? i was recomended to ruuubick but i cant chat or friend them.
hollow sluice
No
You best bet is a support ticket and wait for the response
You cant @ them or dm them unless you want to get banned
vocal shard
i send one i got responded with a completly different unrelated answer to what my question was
hollow sluice
Than thats as far as you will get
rancid flame
Unless you found some way that allows someone to access everyone's account on vrchat there isn't any point is asking thrm
hollow sluice
Why do you need to contact them?
vocal shard
ye discussing what i found out in here get me banned too thats whyninwana contact them
hollow sluice
Is it about avatar ripping?
rancid flame
Does it break the rules on this discord?
More specifically promoting said things banned in the rules?
vocal shard
it should get you in court by law
hollow sluice
They wont do anything about it
pseudo basalt
lol
vocal shard
invation of privacy and illegal activities ingame and outside
rancid flame
Illegal like hemophilia? Or like dealing drugs
vocal shard
like i said i rather discuss it with someone who can actually help me out
rancid flame
hollow sluice
@vocal shardthey likely wont do anything
vocal shard
i did send to moderation. i got advise to kick the person... ye not very helpful
hollow sluice
Well thats as far as they will go
Children under 18 need perents consent to play the game so they are responsible
vocal shard
who mentioned children?
rancid flame
Well I would assume if the mods didn't think it would need severe action the devs wouldn't either
indigo fern
im banning you from mickeys clubhouse
vocal shard
clubhouse ?
hollow sluice
@stoic halo nah under 13 arent allowed on the platform at all
vocal shard
Someone managed to grab the IP of another player and you want to report that?
rancid flame
No it's just general script kiddies and force changing people's avatars
rigid crescent
uncut trail
Can twitch ban you for watching movies (If streaming) ?
pure hemlock
Of course not, you'd never get banned for streaming copyrighted content
ruby needle
uhm 
vocal shard
š
bleak elbow
indigo fern
š¤¢
rigid crescent
Lol I actively report channels I see streaming in the movie world
vocal shard
Mic "no fun allowed" Sounders
tight canyon
stoic halo
@hollow sluice Thats wrong though, according to the law they need parental consent/supervision
parental or guardian
hollow sluice
I thought they need guardian supervision from age of 13 to 18 and they arent allowed at all under the age of 13
@stoic halo
stoic halo
Nah its only under the age of 13.
indigo fern
š¤·
jagged fable
i murged my vrc account with steam but non of my avatars saved and they aren't saving when i favorited them, i dont know whats going on
vocal shard
it'll take up to an hour
jagged fable
oh
vocal shard
sometimes it's quicker but it'll all get transferred within that time period
jagged fable
oh ok thank god, i was like did i do a bad Q~Q
im new to this so i was freaking out ^~^'
opaque kernel
has anyone else been getting the issue with people cutting in and out when they speak?
cold pawn
hello can anyone hear me
pseudo basalt
ŠŃŃ ŃŠ°Š±Š¾ŃŠ°ŠµŃ, ŃŃ ŃŃŠ¾-ŃŠ¾ ŠæŃŠ¾ŠµŠ±Š°Š», ŠøŠ“Šø Š¶Š°Š»ŃŠ¹ŃŃ Š² #russian
cold pawn
hello any1
desert stratus
what pumkin said ^^^
cold pawn
test
pale timber
sosoowowowoaoer
desert stratus
you dont have to shout my name lol
pale timber
hi hi uhiihii
desert stratus
hi
cold pawn
is there a better way to browse avatars
pale timber
hhhhihhiii
desert stratus
hihihihi
pale timber
luh y
cold pawn
u guys are weird
pale timber
are you making fun of me
pseudo basalt
š¤·š»āāļø
tight canyon
Even tho it sounds like suka blyat, it's written cyka blyat
pale timber
ok
devout berry
From the 3 official hub worlds, that have been made, I like the oldest one most because of the atmosphere of the place. JFF, what is your favorite hub from the 3 made by the team and why?
I am not counting the event ones.
twin fractal
I only know the current one tbh
vocal shard
hola
sour fog
Who's trash and why is he always in a gang?
broken plover
trash gang
sour fog
I genuinely like trash gang just for there anime edits
vocal shard
Dude these portal spammers are so annoying
slate verge
are you in a public world? might want to change into a new one
verbal zenith
dm me if you have the autismo disstrack pls
slate verge
empty flint
watch out for someone who goes by the name Zephoriah on VRChat...
according to a buddy of mine he's a hacker and when he was right next to us our computers would lag like crazy if we ever look at his avatar
I know it's him because as soon as I managed to fight through the lag and block the lag stopped
rigid crescent
No witch hunting š
empty flint
I know my computer is pretty strong
rigid crescent
That has nothing to do with hacking either.
I could make your game lag even outside of VR even if you had top of the line PC parts. It's really just as easy and some fucky shaders
empty flint
Im just warning people that this guy has an avatar that likes to cause major lag
I dont have VR, never did for as long as I've been playing VRChat
rigid crescent
thats witch hunting though, you have to prove it and send a #moderation-reports
lone scroll
vocal shard
I thought quest user wereānt meant to be toxic y i k e s
slate verge
i didn't even know quest vr can get lag
but i supposed its there since most if not some avatars aren't optimized anyway
rigid ore
i didnt even know they could have an avatar that could lag
slate verge
exactly right!? but oh well.
odd blaze
There's a few quest users that crash other quest users already, tried it on me , but yeh im on pc good luck with that.
slate verge
tell them to use the safety settings next time
vocal shard
I came across a toxic quest user didnāt know they existed
Quest users can upload avatars beyond the recommended limits, but they need to manually show the users avatar at that point
indigo fern
Yea, there aren't hard limits on quest yet, so they probably just had everything off
slate verge
@vocal shard yeah that i thought there was that too
indigo fern
Or on, which ever you say as not hidden
slate verge
that was ages ago
rigid ore
also quest isnt vr change my mind
vocal shard
Saw two quest users dropping portals trying to spawn trap in murder 3 and i get called toxic for calling them out and getting angry yikes
indigo fern
People in general are toxic š
Don't need hardware to have your shit personality show
slate verge
those are the wrong people to hang out with
indigo fern
Why would it be harder in desktop
rigid ore
cause in vr you can aim and point and follow
a lot of crasher avatars are set to point
now thats just rude to everyone
indigo fern
Yea, and particle crashes are the easiest thing to avoid anyway
rigid ore
also you dont wanna crash yourself
i didnt even know you could hide yourself
oh right forgot you could mod this game
slate verge
queen mango
I could draw a parallel between this game and any Counter Strike game when it comes to problems related to cheating
rigid ore
or just any valve game
queen mango
Same mindset, different methods of ruining the fun. Incidentally, most of those tend to be used by the people that you said earlier.
wet sluice
Yea, valve did the nuclear option and now splits user based on whether they can be traced to a phone number/identity or not
twin fractal
cool
rigid ore
but if vrc did this then ima dip forever
wait you already need an account nvm
but if it needed my number though
ima dip
queen mango
What does VRChat lack when it comes to dealing with those sorts of cheaters, if you could call them that?
rigid ore
vrc doesnt have a way to target them
theres no way to stop it
tbf even valve cant stop all cheaters and they have great security
but a broken code
queen mango
Broken code?
rigid ore
it isnt great
but no anti cheat is good
well yeah and you have to keep updating it constantly and i cant see vrc devs doing that
queen mango
I should attend classes soon
rigid ore
that would be too much for any small team
slate verge
its dumb how people who think they can bypass security and call it broken when its not even being challenged in the first place let alone a flaw security. If only they could just come forward and say "oh hey you need this and this to make this security better" instead of being one of the folks who destroys it and ultimately steps on them people.
vocal shard
ello
fickle plinth
When will we see valentines day worlds sick of seeing winter 2019 section already
slate verge
not until end of winter season
midnight skiff
Sooo people are being banned for using a client?
vocal shard
Using a client is always bannable
midnight skiff
Even though these clients have options that the lazy developers don't know how to put in?
twin fractal
yes
rancid flame
yes
midnight skiff
That's wack
just hire the people making the clients and update the game with more features
rancid flame
and most people ive seen with those clients just use the extra features as an excuse
midnight skiff
I haven't seen anything significant added in over a year lmao
indigo fern
Because most of the people with the qol ones don't say it, why would they
vocal shard
Haven't been paying attention to the beta channels then
midnight skiff
still can't make an invite-only session where anyone can invite people instead of just the host, who most-likely doesn't have that person on their friends list
indigo fern
Invite+
midnight skiff
Ya know, how like every other game works
Invite+ only works if they REQUEST an invite
vocal shard
Isn't that exactly what an invite+ is
midnight skiff
So if you wanted your friend to join you, they would never know
You'd have to go to them and tell them to request an invite
indigo fern
rancid flame
what? you know you can invite people to a world normally right?
midnight skiff
Not if you're not the host
Unless you're the host, you can't invite people in Invite-only or Invite+ unless one requests an invite from you.
rancid flame
thats how it should be.
vocal shard
I wouldn't know because I never use invites. Friends+ or public for me
rancid flame
whats the point of an invite world if anyone can invite anyone to it. thats just a friends+ world
midnight skiff
Well I'm not a loli so
rancid flame
what?
midnight skiff
Publics are full of lolis
indigo fern
midnight skiff
that's why we don't go to them lol
vocal shard
You've got a skewed view of the game. 
indigo fern
Not really, more ethot avatars, but I guess it's depending where you go
jovial pulsar
Pubs are the best
rancid flame
it vastly depends on the world
indigo fern
Like if you're going to japan places yea
midnight skiff
No literally every public session I have been in, there has been 80% lollis in the mirror.
rancid flame
lmao what?
midnight skiff
I've been playing for 2 years and it has only gotten worse
indigo fern
jovial pulsar
just don't go to the mirror 5head
midnight skiff
How are you guys gonna disregard the experience I had lol, you just don't notice it.
rancid flame
if we are comparing times ive been here since 2017. I can tell you that if you dont want to see people in a mirror then dont go to a mirror world
like the pug
indigo fern
I mainly play in publics
jovial pulsar
Yeah, I hardly ever go to friends / private lobbies at all
rancid flame
i usually go to a mix depending what friends are on
midnight skiff
You guys fit the loli description sooo
rancid flame
lmao
midnight skiff
I wouldn't expect you to see it
jovial pulsar
???
rancid flame
talk about an ad homenim attack lmao
wet sluice
Lolis are people too
midnight skiff
They really shouldn't be as big as they are.
indigo fern
This is just getting sillier as it goes on lmao
jovial pulsar
This dude must've run into quite the loli considering he hates them all now
rancid flame
I CanT BaCK uP MY opInIOn So I AccUSe PeOpLe Of BeiNg LoLis
midnight skiff
I mean this is the reaction I expected from this discord lol
wet sluice
Loli rights
midnight skiff
VRC is full of lolis, and the discord full of loli-lovers, no surprise really.
vocal shard
But back to the simple matter... Unofficial clients aren't really differentiated between malicious use, and non malicious use. And the limits of the official clients are usually by choice, not lazyness.
The official client still has things like the particle limiter to prevent crashing, which seems to have been forgotten by players.
You knever know what virus you could get from a modified client as well. So they're all simple banned
midnight skiff
But why haven't these features been added into the game yet?
rancid flame
because they have been working on unity 2018 and udon
midnight skiff
is it really that hard to add basic graphical options? Disable real-time lights in the world, lower texture resolution?
rancid flame
thats all handled by the creator of the world in unity
slate verge
unfortunately yeah
midnight skiff
The clients can do it though
rancid flame
the devs cant just turn down a magic slider
midnight skiff
The devs haven't tried
vocal shard
Things have to be added systematically. They already provided a roadmap of things they want to add, and possibly a messaging system as well.
Just hacking it into a client without following the designated develpment path could break things down the line
slate verge
yeah you gotta know the diff
jovial pulsar
Half my friends list use these clients, I can see why people would want some of the features but I'm just fine without them. It's not an issue for me personally, I would prefer it the way it was back in the day when nobody had them tbh.
rancid flame
Jackie are you on the dev team by chance? You seem to know so much about how they operate
midnight skiff
It's more so the QOL features
things that shouldn't be hard to ad for the VRC Dev team, if a few modders can do it
that enhance the experience.
It really feels like nothing has been done regarding the menu since early 2018
rancid flame
check out their roadmap for what they are working on and what has been done
https://vrchat.canny.io/
midnight skiff
barebones, hardly any settings, can't even change the color or the menu, disable walking through portals and insta-joining whatever was thrown down.
queen mango
Easier said than coded in, I may tell
jovial pulsar
Listen, you're not the only one that is frustrated with the lack of meaningful updates, I think most of us are, but we've heard all these arguments before.
We'll just have to wait and see if 2020 will be better or not
slate verge
just be patient
vocal shard
They're fully focused on the unity 2018 version upgrade, and udon.
compact river
give me udon public first
indigo fern
Well kinda elire, they're listing things clients already do
midnight skiff
@queen mango clearly not if random people can do it and more.
slate verge
i believe its in beta right now
compact river
no color menu i mean like how much time do you stare at the menu?
indigo fern
Udon and unity 2018 is in open beta, yea
midnight skiff
Also, why does the SDK allow you to tag things as "offenseive" or "NSFW" when they don't actually mean anything, and haven't from the very beginning?
indigo fern
NetIK with full body looks as good as before NetIK finally in the beta
rancid flame
because you can have them but only in private worlds. if you dont have it marked you can get banned
indigo fern
That's not true, they're useless
midnight skiff
That's a lie right there
rough pulsar
The NSFW tag in the SDK is from a very long time ago
midnight skiff
They literally do NOTHING
indigo fern
They said themselves it's a relic of the past
vocal shard
Many of the features you are talking about are on the roadmap, but these are planned after the release of the 2018 update and udon
https://miro.medium.com/max/5760/1*KgyXOKPw0u_KGqRfFi49hA.png
compact river
udon pog
indigo fern
I still think they should've removed them when they overhauled the builder window, but it literally affects nothing and is just a point for people complain about when they want
Like now
midnight skiff
Not gonna play the beta lmao. What's the point of none of my friends play the beta. I wont be able to see anyone but still join them. Unless that's fixed now
indigo fern
no one said that
compact river
ye you crazy
midnight skiff
Soul keeps referncing something. What is udon
civic garnet
BOI
indigo fern
visual scripting/node based editor for world makers
check on twitter under the tag #MadeWithUdon to see what people have made
rancid flame
you are complaining about the lack of progress but havent kept up with anything in progress. nice
compact river
midnight skiff
Well I don't code worlds. I just make them look nicer than everyone else's
vocal shard
Udon is the node scripting system they are working on which will give world creators much more power to make things like games, save states, rpg elements. That's what they've been fosusing on
indigo fern
the fact that theyre actually testing this with an open beta is already better than the past updates, usually they just push out a broken one then patch a bajillion times
vocal shard
It's really powerful, and more important right now than adding things like menu colour changes
compact river
^ thats what im saying
indigo fern
udon is their primary focus, after theyve said they wanted to overhaul the UI/UX
compact river
i could not care less about a menu i almost never look at
midnight skiff
Yeah but if those people have already done it, why not get those people in on the development process to add the features officially?
rancid flame
because allowing random people to dev for the game is a bad idea?
midnight skiff
They seem to be doing a better job
vocal shard
indigo fern
well, a lot of those other random groups have internal drama already amongst their friends
rancid flame
how do you know there isnt a backdoor in the modified client
indigo fern
some do lmao
rancid flame
exactly lmao
unkempt surge
hola a todos
wet sluice
Some have backdoors, but most just have a few functions to drain steam accounts and shit.
midnight skiff
You act like the current Dev team is immune to drama from themselves
vocal shard
Same reason we don't recommend downloading avatars from certain sites. You never know what malicious content is packaged along with it
unkempt surge
tengo una duda nose si alguien habla spaƱol
midnight skiff
Bruh you guys are missing the point entirely
unkempt surge
si pudiera ayudarme con algo que no entiendo sobre una vatar
midnight skiff
Just flying RIGHT over your heads
compact river
jackie i can take a good guess as to what private discords you are a member of lol
rancid flame
Jackie since you seem to be an expert in game dev why not apply to vrchat to fix it?
compact river
and nothing of value was added
indigo fern
or lost š
midnight skiff
You people are honestly just the worst.
rancid flame
thought you left
compact river
xD
vocal shard
Everyone is just trying to explain why modified clients are and always have been bannable.
indigo fern
they left š¤·
rancid flame
hes are retreating back to his private discords
compact river
well when you parrot those talking points its kinda obvious what groups you hang around
civic garnet
interesting read thx guys
indigo fern
download more bandwith
vocal shard
Staying at my uncle's place. He's got cheap wifi that's sourced over 10 hours away in the next province
rancid flame
the downloading download speed would be exponential
indigo fern
ohh yea
desert stratus
how the hell are you doing anything on your phone
indigo fern
rip jamie
vocal shard
Barely able to playback YouTube without frequent buffering.... Although Splatoon 2 multiplayer somehow worked
desert stratus
damn
indigo fern
damn
desert stratus
optimized
queen mango
I wonder what that Jackie guy was so pissed about.
compact river
color menus :^)
indigo fern
tunnel visioned, his ideals were being questioned and didnt wanna listen š¤·
queen mango
Didn't wanna wait either
Can't view user details either. Sigh
He set himself up for disappointment
valid furnace
i guess it seems like i shouldnt block hackers because blocking them doesnt stop their avatar changing exploit if i leave them unblocked at least i have the warning of some infant spewing slurs so i can attemp to leave the world
agile ledge
why do i have to wait 3 months to change my name?
desert stratus
blocking people who may be using clients is actually a losing move
a lot of clients offer too much information like when someone joins or leaves a room, who is in the room, when someone blocks or mutes you, etc.
rancid flame
ive found that if you join vrchat later in the night you dont get people who try to crash
since ive started playing vrchat later i havent seen a single hacker let alone crasher
valid furnace
its always late in the night somewhere
i was playing at like 3 am and the same guy crashed me as just now
desert stratus
if you suspect that someone is a bad actor then you cannot let them know that if you want to protect yourself. the best thing to do is covertly gather as much information about them, send all of that in a report to #moderation-reports with their username, and leave quietly
valid furnace
should i download obs
desert stratus
obs is good to have in any case
valid furnace
although actually what what obs do if the game crashed
desert stratus
youd have proof that your game crashed
if you want you can set it to record your entire screen instead of the game window
twin fractal
that was the stupidest backlog I've ever read lmao
queen mango
Being in the Hong Kong timezone, I encounter quite a lot of crashers during the mornings, especially those voices that I hear that are Americans.
Not likely I would always run into them, but it's substantial
@twin fractal And yes, that backlog you read has a user deserving of being thrown in the loony bin
agile ledge
or dont answer my question
grim canopy
@agile ledge It's for quality insurance purposes only.... š¤£
agile ledge
why that long though?
grim canopy
@agile ledge it was a joke lol, btw to answer your question VRChat has to read through messeges at a time!
twin fractal
why do you need to change your name more often than that?
wet sluice
It's incredibly annoying when people change names even with a 3mo period. Ik a few people that change it every 3mo and I ended up defriending because I couldn't bother.
fickle plinth
whats kickin peeps
slate verge
life
peak cipher
just outta curiousity , does drumnsy come on here often
twin fractal
never seen him
vocal shard
Drumsy talked here a few times about a year ago, but not really since then
nimble light
Heyoo, new here
gray lion
So vrchat is banning people who use mods starting tonight. Some friends of mine were freaking out lol
nimble light
What abt playspace?
gray lion
Huh?
nimble light
Rip
gray lion
I didn't curse did i?
nimble light
Idk, i couldnāt see it
rancid flame
they are talking about modded clients
gray lion
Lol I just said that it's not a vrchat mod, it's a vr mod in general
gray lion
They didn't talk about anything
deft girder
Using mods was always a bannable offense
You can use steamvr extensions like playspace mover as you want
gray lion
Never did they actually post they were doing ths
rancid flame
i was referring to you danny not the dev team
gray lion
Ohhh lol
nimble light
It says it when you load in that modding of the client could lead to a ban
gray lion
Welp, the thing is tho, its kinda sad because some of those mods helped my friends run the game better. But oh well, vrchat does what they do
rancid flame
modded clients are banned
a lot of people use the extra excuses for modded clients even though they mainly use it to be able to crash people
deft girder
Also this isn't the first time a ban wave on client users has happened so it will happen again after this
nimble light
On quest so luckily no crashers
gray lion
But they use avatars, not always mods, wh aren't they banning those too?
deft girder
They are getting banned too but harder to detect automatically
gray lion
Ah, well idk how true the number is, but heard someone in a hub say that 1000's of players were banned.
rancid flame
its normal for devs to do ban waves
as it makes it so that the modders cant find loopholes
gray lion
They're gonna lose a lot of players eventually, imagine an empty vrchat XD
rancid flame
they wont die anytime soon
rigid crescent
don't believe everything you hear
rancid flame
maybe neos could overtake it but no other platform could
rigid crescent
if thousands of players were banned why are there the same number of players as always?
if the team was doing it "starting tonight" you wouldnt know about ti
rancid flame
and we would see a lot more people complaining on here
sterile ingot
Complain about what? <_< All is well . . .
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a5/f9/a1/a5f9a11a03d8227df09742babd4a9a0e.jpg
gray lion
That's what I was saying haha but they swear
compact river
Been watching the player count grow from 2017 i dont really see it dying
rancid flame
i doubt it. i assume its just fear mongering
vocal shard
me, and 6 of my friends were banned, for modded clients. so id believe it. happened this afternoon
gray lion
RIP brother
rancid flame
I mean they have stated that modded clients are bannable. so...
vocal shard
yea, i know. im only stating the probability of a mass ban is very likely, personally i dont use my client for anything mallicious, but i understand why theyd want to ban users for it. i was on ly banned for three days so its not too terrible.
rigid crescent
Yeah, they seem to somewhat have a "strike" policy since I've seen "2nd offense" or something similar on the ban message of some people. It spooks a few people off of them, and also serves as a "well, we tried to warn you" to people who get banned in the future (or are past their number of strikes)
vocal shard
yeah. im not 100% sure if ill continue to use a client, but its pretty helpful. i use mine to unock the frame cap, so that i dont lag as often, sincei get motion sickness, and to spoof my ip because there are some toxic players.
rancid flame
A VPN works just as well for changing your ip
pale timber
openly admits to using a client
vocal shard
im already banned so its not like i should hide it.
pale timber
1'd
vocal shard
and most free vpns have backdoors, or are sketchy in general. clients have a free spoofer for in vrchat, which would be the only thing id use it for. not much point in paying 10 bucks a month for a vpn ill use for one game.
pale timber
i can give you one if you want
rancid flame
I pay $2 a month for a VPN. I can hide my ip adress while also not risking a ban
vocal shard
im ok man lol ill probably just manually spoof it now, since i have free time, banned and all that good stuff
pale timber
imagine paying
vocal shard
if i bought a vpn id probably only go for express lol
pale timber
i could probably find one for express
vocal shard
on the acc leak website? lol
vocal shard
lmao thats the only thing i can think of when you say find one
pale timber
public databases š¬
vocal shard
oh lmao
tepid flume
Sometimes i get the feeling you intentionally try to make your game as insecure as possible. I just have yet to figure out why
tepid flume
Sure i am brrr brr tzz tzz
vocal shard
xD yeah. I feel like they could do something with verifying the game files. So if it detects anomalyās āplease reverify your game filesā itād probably prevent a lot of client usage to begin with rather than banning innocent people along with the toxic ones :p
Like authentication at launch āyour game is corrupted please reinstall, or verify your filesā
Only a thought
tepid flume
No like implementing actual server checks
Is this person who wants to send a instancekick allowed to do so? No? Then lets drop it
Instead of "yeah i dont f*cking care" just forward everything to everyone else
vocal shard
What I donāt think I understand
tepid flume
Its literally about 10 lines of photon code for all known things the server should handle
vocal shard
Mm. Maybe it could be one of the changes for the 2018 update
Although thatās a reach I think
tepid flume
They could do that at any time. No need to update the clients
vocal shard
Idk. Maybe theyāre waiting for the massive update, so everyone will be happier with the update? Lol
Marketing strata
pure hemlock
Anyone noticing avatar audio bypassing safety settings extremely common now? I have it disabled for all ranks yet everday I am running into people with loud shitty rap music playing avatar that is global world audio
Is everyone just bypassing safety setting restrictions and the position only audio restrictions
vocal shard
Iāve noticed as well^
pale timber
same
pure hemlock
Like if you're gonna make your avatar bypass everything at least use good music š
pale timber
your boomer taste
rancid flame
Thought that was the safety settings just being shitty
pale timber
nop
pure hemlock
Nah it's intentionally being bypassed as well as the positional audio restrictions
pale timber
yeah i thought i messed you my settings but people mean
so get off vrc it's past your bedtime
pure hemlock
there is a bug that when teh avatar first loads you might hear the audio but it should cut out after a second
vocal shard
k\
modern sand
can someone help i try to add song to emote but it not work
vale wave
uncut trail
Are you allow to stream yourself watching movies in VRC or is that against twitch policy
umbral reef
Pretty sure that's the exact same as normally streaming movies...
Just because your in VR changes nothing
indigo fern
vocal shard
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