On 970 and rift, the vrc home mirror lags me
#vrchat-general-2
vocal shard
What
fading flower
i got a ping in here wilst away
fading flower
im flattered
gray citrus
@languid beacon start VRChat on VRLow
languid beacon
How is that done
gray citrus
I promise you that you'll notice literally no difference
pale timber
hold left shift while launching the game
gray citrus
^
languid beacon
I’m using vr though
gray citrus
Before you get on steam vr
languid beacon
Is that just a steam thing?
pale timber
yeah
gray citrus
Yes
languid beacon
I don’t use SteamVR
vocal shard
It works on both steam and oculus
When you hold Shift after pressing launch, that's how some unity games access their graphics/resolution settings
pale timber
doesnt rust do that too
vocal shard
By default it's set to VR high with 8x AA and higher quality shadows and LOD
gray citrus
yeah put it on VR Low
languid beacon
I don’t know if it’s just me or everyone but oculus on steam vr feels like there’s this layer of latency behind everything
pale timber
thats either caused by lag or its just oculus
gray citrus
that's not really a helpful answer xD
pale timber
i wasnt trying to give out help
languid beacon
Lag caused by lag. Good lead thx
gray citrus
Lmaoo my thought exactly
pale timber
wow thanks for the support!
languid beacon
Lag is negative frames. Frames are negative lag. They anilate each other
pale timber
wow thanks!
languid beacon
I recommend either adjusting something about your computer’s hardware or it’s software or a combination of both
gray citrus
Alright I think that's enough lol. He's already getting kind of annoyed
languid beacon
:( but no joke oculus does feel like it has poor open vr implementation. You can feel the additional layer of abstraction
lilac swan
AFAIK Oculus seem hellbent on fighting against OpenVR, or any kind of open standard.
finite marsh
bro you sounds like joe
rigid crescent
you tried
faint skiff
@pale timber Should work for alnost any Unity games.
soft basin
yo is there any way to make vrchat work with joysticks
because my wmr touchpad isnt exactly the best
vocal shard
In steamvr, you can set some community bindings for the controllers that enabled the sticks
earnest thicket
Anyone maybe wanna join me in a charades party tonight? Trying to get at least 2 others 😺
devout lynx
IM getting random crashes, its either my pc or the game?
stoic granite
i had the same problem, try verifying integrity of game files in steam
ruby needle
👀
verbal hamlet
Get dunked on idiot.
umbral reef
🙂
rigid crescent
it absolutely was
umbral reef
What you tried to post
ruby needle
Yes
rigid crescent
your shitty ahegao trash was spam
ruby needle
And that's enogh offtopic there 
verbal hamlet
What a shame.
vocal shard
anyone wanna chill and play vr chat
rigid crescent
there was no conversation, you just came in spamming. either way, at least #general-media it
rigid crescent
🙂
man i love when this happens
trying to get kicked within 30 minutes of joining lol
i fucking love it
verbal hamlet
Nice
umbral reef
I do enjoy myself some late night entertainment from this chat
rigid crescent
well, looks like you'll have to DM him imilk 🙂
vocal shard
who
ruby needle
Now let's get this channel back on topic
vocal shard
anyone wanna chill and play vr chat
rigid crescent
no ty
ruby needle
@vocal shard if you look for people to play with, just join any public lobby
pale timber
oooooooooo
ruby needle
And you definitely dont need to call someone for that
vocal shard
y u bully
rigid crescent
🤔 how is any part of that advice bullying
vocal shard
im just playing around
rigid crescent
just join a public lobby, plenty of people to play with there
pale timber
^^
earnest thicket
Is inviting people to events kinda like cringe here?
earnest thicket
Gotcha.
rigid crescent
wait how long have we been suggesting the Events discord in #community-servers-old ? it's not actually there...
was it removed? 
earnest thicket
umbral reef
Pretty sure it got removed from there
rigid crescent
wait why
umbral reef
Like a few months by now as thast when i noticed myself while im god damn sure it was there originally
rigid crescent
they literally have the fucking calendar on the website
umbral reef
Also the one pinned in events is also wrong :'o
It links to a channel not there whats a bad habit
rigid crescent
@winged igloo how come the Events discord was removed from #community-servers-old 😦
umbral reef
And a proper pinned one in #events would be neato
As one linking to event admin chat would be neat 🙂
vocal shard
Oop
vocal shard
wheat moss
I want it to be Halloween again. That’s my favorite time of year on vrchat.
vocal shard
I will now begin the cleansing process
slate verge
nice!
molten gale
And by that I mean adding some more details
slate verge
molten gale
I just did a personality test
slate verge
noice
fickle kraken
do you need to have VRchat installed to play it throught the website?
or am i just dumb?
molten gale
The website launches the game
fickle kraken
so you do need it installed?
molten gale
Yes
fickle kraken
ok cause i thought it meant you could play through the site and it wasn't so ty for the help
molten gale
Np
fickle kraken
i love how there are so many peeps with "!" as their nickname so they can be first in the user list 😂
is the game as fun as it looks?
molten gale
If you meet the right people, it never gets boring!
fickle kraken
i wish i had a headset
it would probably make it like 10x better
also a good pc with stable connection but thats besides the point 😂
pale timber
i got infp too
molten gale
Yeah vr really improves the experience
The next step would be finger tracking or fullbody
For max immersion
fickle kraken
true
molten gale
Ouchies
olive hull
I feel like
Full body isn't really worth it unless if your only gonna be playing vrchat or if you have like, a bunch of time to play it really
slate verge
full dive!
fickle kraken
theres like 3 types of people in VRchat: the memes, the anime avatars, and the people sitting in the corners
according to the videos i've seen of it
fickle kraken
i never said you couldn't be all 3
vocal shard
Lol
hollow crater
my oculus rift s is locked at 10 fps for some reason on VRC. my gpu is running at 5% so i know thats not the issue, and my rift works perfectly fine with my other games, does anyone have any ideas
molten gale
Def all 3 myself
hollow crater
ok... good talk
molten gale
Go ask support tbh
vocal shard
When it come to tech troubleshooting, I'm not one to ask for advice 
Sorry. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable can help you out ^^
molten gale
I should def update my emotes
hollow crater
k
molten gale
Yeah we aint tech support >~>
faint skiff
Well this is a new one... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH11PNvo_wY
*
olive hull
Its just a loop?
faint skiff
I'm not even sure what the game was trying to do. "You've loaded the world! Great, lets go load the world again..."
Had to force kill the game.
olive hull
restart vr
faint skiff
Why would I restart VR?
rigid crescent
thats a good loop
faint skiff
Why is there no filesize cap on avatars?
indigo fern
There is for quest
faint skiff
600MB of avatars from this one world after just 5 minutes of being here
molten gale
Isnt the cap 100 mb
rigid crescent
i didnt think there was one
faint skiff
781MB after 25 minutes now in a quiet world
vocal shard
Anyone know where a Gon avatar is from Hunter X Hunter
molten gale
Please dont post the same message across multiple channels
stuck oracle
is there anything you can do except block or ignore creeps?
inner cape
depends on the severety, if theyre doin something bannable, you can report with evidence, other than that, just block and they wont bother you
stuck oracle
whats bannable?
meager solstice
harassment
inner cape
anything that violates the tos and community guidelines
meager solstice
U would have to have proof though if u plan to report them
faint skiff
How does it continue after you block them...
rigid crescent
did they delete the question or is it just super far up 🤔
faint skiff
5 coments back?
meager solstice
@rigid crescent there question was “is there anything you can do except block or ignore creeps?”
rigid crescent
oh i skimmed right past that
inner cape
the hurricane took the question away from you, mic
languid beacon
I have full body. I rarely use it. Though that's because I have Oculus Rift + Vive Trackers and it's a ROYAL pain to set up and drifts all the time. I just don't bother. If I had a lighthouse headset, I think i'd use it all the time though.
Though I also just don't like wearing stuff on my feet and i like sitting down in vr lol
lunar cedar
Rift S I assume? I've only heard of regular drift with the oculus inside-out. The only time I have seen drift with wmr was when every couch in my basement and the coffee table were moved.
languid beacon
Regular rift.
lunar cedar
strange, there shouldn't be any drift with that
languid beacon
Rift doesn't drift on it's own. It only drifts in hybrid setups
the two universes are totally blind to each other
lunar cedar
How would you be able to tell if rift doesn't drift on its own? It's zero point is arbitrary.
languid beacon
Because you have vive trackers to compare to
it appears that the vive trackers are the ones drifting, but that's only because you are viewing the openvr space from a rift headset
lunar cedar
The HMD creates the steamvr calibrated universe.
I'm still surprised a system comprised of static camera positions could drift appreciably.
languid beacon
the vive and rift universe slowly drift apart, it's about 2 inches a day
Again it has nothing to do with the tracking technology
Rift on it's own, doesn't drift, at all, it's an absolute positioning system, as is vive
however the rift and vive universes can drift apart as there is no absolute reference point from one to the other
lunar cedar
You don't know what you're talking about, neither are "absolute positioning systems" 
halcyon kestrel
hi
languid beacon
I suppose you're right, the hybrid setup that I have and you don't doesn't drift even though I clearly see it drifting and you don't
I admit I'm wrong
Conversation over
lunar cedar
My hybrid system is between the k4a coordinate space and WMR anyways. I wrote an openvr driver, I think I understand how it works. And when tf did I say your system doesn't drift. I'm just wondering where the origin of the drift is, since both are systems using stationary points for relative positioning.
rigid crescent
write me an openvr driver
rigid crescent
google stadia 😎
inner cape
Ouya
lunar cedar
let me just activate negative latency and do it yesterday
chilly bone
It's only been a week and I already miss the New Year's Eve event lol, such a good time with you guys
meager solstice
ye, New Years is always a good event and always has the most people on
chilly bone
hell yea, everyone getting together and jumping off the skyscraper was fun lmao
inner cape
the map is still there, its just that nobody goes there anymore
chilly bone
oh I know, i'm just having them nostalgia feels.....for an event that happened a week ago lmao
inner cape
yee
chilly bone
mhmmmmmmmm
inner cape
2019 version might be worth checking out with friends 
chilly bone
I'm def gonna go back in and play around. Was hoping to do that tn but got caught up in Code Vein hah
this is hilarious
rain isle
Lots of people have issues with CV1 Rift and Vive tracker playspaces drifting, its not a you thing
worldly geode
@everyone go to kitten marching band
rigid crescent
why would you try to ping tens of thousands of people to do your dumb meme
snow wadi
viscid estuary
good morning!
rigid crescent
Y'know, I've just realized that eye tracking for a VR Social game is a complete waste of dev time and money until it's a standard headset feature
You'll never see it
Only other people will ever see your eye tracking. You won't even know it's working.
fading flower
Bruh
autumn finch
oof
rigid crescent
It could be off for months without you e even knowing
fading flower
I mean
polar geode
Nee naw
rigid crescent
Like until it's just a headset standard, like 6dof or controllers, it's just a total waste.
umbral reef
@rigid crescent a mirror my dude
fading flower
Imagie what eye tracking for people qhala is talking to
umbral reef
Legit that thing that 90% of the game only looks at
rigid crescent
Go look in your mirrors and see if you see your eyes move
fading flower
We know where they starin
rigid crescent
Look in the mirror and look down at your toothbrush or something
You can't see your eyes move. They're looking somewhere else.
fading flower
Yeh
rigid crescent
Even looking at another part of the mirror you want see them
umbral reef
Ow yea as i totally cant see if its not working...
Like when my eyes randomly move to a point without me looking there il totally know its not working
If its working i cant see it, thats true. But its not hard to realize when its bricked with a mirror
rigid crescent
How will you know unless someone tells you
You'd need a mirror and a camera
Which are a thing but still. Otherwise you'd likely never noticed
umbral reef
Well same applies to plenty of avatar stuff
Unless someone clones your avatar good luck finding most clipping problems
rigid crescent
I meant more like if it's on or off
What? You can find that easy with a mirror most of the time
Or with an mmd dance world
With eye tracking, unless you're in a mirror with a camera you'll never see your own eyes move
umbral reef
Im pretty sure that the ingame delay of the eyes moving makes it eas
As most eye trackers dont work as fast as your eyes move
And then the software has to do its thing
So me looking down and back up will make it clear where i looked
fading flower
Hmmst
rigid crescent
So you'll catch a less than a second glimpse and only when you're really trying
Like with fbt or a nice model you can see that with "normal" gameplay
fading flower
rigid crescent
Like just hanging out or whatever
fading flower
rigid crescent
With eye tracking, unless you're looking for it, you'll never ever see it
fading flower
Ah
rigid crescent
It's a complete waste for social VR until it's standard on more headsets which would mean it'd have to be way cheaper
umbral reef
They can also just properly test and develop shit instead of throwing out a broken system and then there is no need to know if it moves or not
Give an UI info that its tracking and then just do your thing
I dont see people check there avatar 24/7 in FBT to see if its working so
rigid crescent
Yeah but even if you 100% know it works it's still not something you can see
Like with most things in on you in social VR you can "enjoy" them yourself. you can see your hands, legs (even better with fbt), and even your whole model which is extremely common since mirrors are a thing.
But with eye tracking, you can only experience other people's
This is Omega Galaxy Brain
umbral reef
Well that how eyes work
Not sure why you think its a problem
or note worthy really
indigo fern
That dude in neos that has elbow and knee trackers also has eye tracking
He was showing me that he can do a surprised open eye
Money well spent of course
hollow sluice
I want eye tracking just for the fps boost
umbral reef
we dont even have proper tech to help rendering with eye tracking
hollow sluice
What do you mean?
woven owl
❤️
formal portal
when you cant enjoy vr bc it keeps crashing sad day
vale wave
vocal shard
Has anyone made 2Fort in VRChat yet?
pseudo basalt
someone did a long time ago
vocal shard
Was it good?
pseudo basalt
Uh, i don't remember
pseudo basalt
I don't remember, i just remember the scale feeling weird
vocal shard
I think that’ll be my next project, last night I practically finished up my Demoman model
I’ll be comparing models of the mercenaries to 2Fort itself and doing exact Hammer Units to Unity Units don’t worry
Btw Hammer is what 2Fort was made with
pseudo basalt
You can already do straight ports
vocal shard
Yeah but I gotta make sure it’s the right size in comparison to everything else
Also it could be buggy or broke in some spots
desert stratus
you can make the look of most tf2 assets with any toon shader. Allow me to shill poiyomi since I'm most familiar with its ramps and other special systems but you can use whatever
balmy stag
hola elguien es español
vocal shard
And colliders and blahblahblah
desert stratus
bake tf maps with like. standard i guess
desert stratus
i couldve sworn it does
vocal shard
you can enable AO actually
pseudo basalt
hm
desert stratus
like AO +Ramp shading
pseudo basalt
I mean, source bakes everything into like diffuse
vocal shard
It’s not like built in the game engine but you can enable it within Nvidia control panel..?
It’s weird
pseudo basalt
And then uses a lightwarp (ramp I think)
vocal shard
Looks great tho
desert stratus
there was an entire paper on tf2's shading but both of you have already read it i think
vocal shard
No I haven’t lol
pale timber
woah
pseudo basalt
source in general bakes everything into diffuse
vocal shard
As much as I’ve been TF2 for 8 damn years, I’m new to modding and shit
desert stratus
its one of the first things that shows up whe you look up tf2 + ramp shading
vocal shard
Aight
pseudo basalt
the shaders it uses are all pretty weird
ember raptor
pseudo basalt
Wanting to build an entire map from scratch when you're new is going to be rough
desert stratus
okay theyre mightve been two
vocal shard
I’ve done map design just not for VRChat in Unity
pseudo basalt
Unlike hammer you're going to have to build everythig in blender or 3ds max
In 3ds max you can use wallworm to import the vmf
vocal shard
🤔
pseudo basalt
But most stuff for vrc just uses blender
pseudo basalt
You can just resize everything in unity
vocal shard
Oh so just port it then
pseudo basalt
Fix the lighting, water shaders, make doors work etc
vocal shard
Could I like just rip it from the guy that ported it already and then fix it up from there?
pseudo basalt
No
vocal shard
Ah
ember raptor
No stealing 
viscid estuary
oh i love the 3DS!
vocal shard
me wanting to send laughing Demoman emoji
pseudo basalt
Source maps are made out of blocks that are serialized into text
So it's super easy to import everywhere
vocal shard
Yeah
True. But wouldn’t that mean it’s unoptimized af?
Slap it all together and just have one HUGE texture
pseudo basalt
It doesn't need to have one huge texture
vocal shard
Oh dang
desert stratus
that explains pretty well how its done
pseudo basalt
All brushes are separate objects
To optimize you might need to mess around with some uh, forget how it's called
vocal shard
Oof
pseudo basalt
occlusion or something, but it will most likely not matter
vocal shard
I’m choosing between 2Fort and 2Fort Revamped, cuz both are amazing maps
Is there like swimming physics in VRChat? Or like triggers that can change a player’s gravity?
pseudo basalt
Not sure, but you can change the jump height
vocal shard
Cuz it’d be cool cuz in 2Fort Revamped, there’s a secret exit that drops you into a giant pipe in the sewers that you can use to get to the ground level of the normal sewers, like a shortcut, you just need to swim
pseudo basalt
I'd like to see doublecross or harvest event more
vocal shard
Same but as of Valve’s current projects, TF2’s state is in great danger, or risk at least
vocal shard
Not really, but it’s classic, nostalgic, and memorable af
I tried
There’s a really long 2Fort map is what I’m trying to say
meager solstice
TF2 is just a low priority
meager solstice
Ye, I haven’t played tf2 in about 6 years
vocal shard
I’ve been playing for 8 years lol
meager solstice
I can’t do it, like some games just need to die after a certain point
pseudo basalt
It was a great game but isn't something I want to play again
desert stratus
@vocal shard sounds like youre really gonna make tfvr
id suggest pparticipating in the UDON Alpha since you will probably find making the tf functionality much easier with udon than triggers
crystal fossil
Has anyone ever had someone just appear on their friends list?
desert stratus
no
crystal fossil
I check my list regularly, so I know everyone that's on my list and I know how many are on it. Does VRC forget you have people added until they log in sometimes or something?
desert stratus
maybe?
buuuut im 100% bettng you added someone while you were drunk or so fucking long ago / recent ago that its been blocked out of your memory eother by time or triviality
crystal fossil
I had 80. No new adds or requests for days and then I notice someone on my Online Friends that I had no memory of. Checked the website and suddenly have 81.
I don't drink.
Lmao.
indigo fern
Maybe you sent one and they just now added you for some reason
crystal fossil
I go through my list regularly. xD I know every name on it. I'd recognize them. It made me flash back to the person adding literally everyone and wondered if they could force add themselves or something else dumb. Oooooor VRC just doesn't show everyone. And they don't appear on your list until they log in for the first time in ages.
It's sad, because she acted like she recognized me and sounded sad that I had no idea who she was.
worldly swan
Maybe they changed avatar, although it wouldn’t make sense you don’t know the voice
crystal fossil
They said they never changed their name and they haven't logged in in over a year.
worldly swan
If it’s over a year then I imagine VRChat probably filtered them
crystal fossil
Also, the website verifies that they haven't changed names.
pseudo basalt
Should take the opportunity to get to know them again then
worldly swan
Or maybe the system changed since then so data got lost but because the others were active the data got resent
crystal fossil
That's so frikking stupid for a social platform to not show you everyone you have as friends though.
worldly swan
Do you have VRCX?
crystal fossil
Nani?
worldly swan
That’s probably a no then
Basically afaik it lets you interact with your account (favourite avatars, view friends etc) without loading the game
crystal fossil
Hmmmn.
vocal shard
Saigo
indigo fern
Ye there's a bunch of api tools for vrc, probably too many 🥵
vocal shard
Hi
crystal fossil
Hello~
vocal shard
^~^
crystal fossil
Yeah, I don't know how to use this tool.. xD Because I can't be bothered to look for my OVR directory.
h e c c
I mean there's no executable, so I'd assume it relies on something else for its UI.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
stuck oracle
@crystal fossil i had that same problem the other day, checked my friend list cus i added someone new and they werent there, thought they defriended me, but the next day they just popped up there
crystal fossil
Well that's different. Also kind of common.
This person has apparently been on my list for the past 2 years and I never knew.
Because it never showed.
I think that's a problem.
Unless the alternative would be that someone has the ability to force add themselves to your list, then that's an even bigger problem.
But I doubt it's the latter.
pure hemlock
Wait is this still an issue? I thought they fixed friends not showing up forever ago
crystal fossil
I saw it the other day. I thought that particular issue was resolved too.
My specific issue is a bit different though.
blazing patio
has annyone tried the new vr thing from Nvidea?
vocal shard
That I think is a Vrc team question
hollow falcon
Happens alot with me that my friends list will be warped
kindred glacier
anyone else got broken dynamic bones? in unity fine but not in vrchat
crystal fossil
@kindred glacier Do you have your Dynamic Bone limiter on in your Performance settings?
vocal shard
One of my avatars has tentacles with dynamic bones and it's hilarious
kindred glacier
yes they are on and i can see other dynamic bones from people
shell zinc
if the limiter is on and yours go over the limit you wont see it, you’ll see others if they’re under the limit
gilded helm
no u @shell zinc
digital sparrow
pale timber
oh
pure hemlock
no
pale timber
what
pure hemlock
I said no
normal fulcrum
hi
pale timber
why not
pure hemlock
cuz
pale timber
cuz
fading mountain
So, my Index controllers recently arrived, and I’ve noticed there’s no way to do the custom hand gestures with them
Is there a way? I quite liked having facial expressions
vocal shard
If I recall, there is a toggle for the controllers, so you can do hand gestures with or without activating face animations
Oh nice ^^
fading mountain
But how do I do the gestures?
grave compass
Hello, how can I accept the invitation I’m using VR headset ( oculus Rift S )
desert stratus
Toggle them
grave compass
I see a message icon but I cant press it ._.
fading mountain
I’ll just ask again later when I can actually try it
fading mountain
Oh thanks, I didn’t see that page when I did a quick glance
pale timber
hi solar
desert stratus
Hihi
faint skiff
@fading mountain Click the left analogue stick to enable/disable gestures.
fading mountain
I know that, but it says it only does the default VRchat gestures
The avatar I’ve been using has different ones that are also linked to facial expressions
rigid crescent
That should do the facial expressions assuming gestures is turned on
covert blade
@boreal stirrup @vocal shard (from #vrchat-pictures ) and that is why I'm currently making a world that, apart from audio, is 100% made by me
I'm just not really skilled at it so I gotta keep it simple
vivid sandal
Anyone ever get a loading problem where the world will not load all it shows is 0.00%
vocal shard
I love to see original stuff. Tell me when it's done! @covert blade
covert blade
@vocal shard I can DM you an early screenshot, the room is relatively well filled up already though it's still missing things
languid beacon
Sadly there is no way to do custom hand poses on Index. Even with the Gesture toggle the hands always match your own hands
So.. just do the pose with your real hands if you wanna do it
covert blade
That... makes sense?
languid beacon
Yup! It sounds like a downside but it feels way better honestly
covert blade
Maybe one day I'll be able to feel that difference myself
pure hemlock
I just wish gestures were decoupled from your real life hand gestures.
covert blade
Hopefully with Index Controllers that don't break after three months of use
languid beacon
Yeah I want index’s gesture toggle on oculus
pure hemlock
So I could use the touchpad or press a button to activate the various gestures instead of doing a "Rock and roll" sign in real life to pull out my sword
pale timber
woah
pure hemlock
Everytime I load a new avatar and want to try out the gestures I feel like a ninja from naruto doing various hand seals to activate jutsu
pale timber
now that you think about it..
languid beacon
When Index goes back in stock I expect the hardware to be better
pale timber
for sure
covert blade
I hope that
languid beacon
But really if gesture toggle for oculus isn’t on the canny as a feature request it should be
Index already has it it’s left control stick click
broken plover
I think it is. I remember reading something on there about oculus and the index gesture system
could also be somewhere else
covert blade
I feel like Oculus users are the ones who most commonly activate random stuff while they talk to you
So yeah would probs be nice
languid beacon
That’s because a lot of gestures are made for vive which is harder to accidentally trigger cuz it’s a pie menu
covert blade
Like, I dunno I want to understand the users non stop doing random gestures while talking and moving
Ah
Yeah using gestures on the Vive works really well
languid beacon
So then a oculus user gets the avatar and spans them as they move their fingers
covert blade
I just overall don't like 'em that much
languid beacon
Index had the perfect solution ability to just turn them off as if they weren’t added
Why it’s not available to everyone idk
covert blade
Priorities lol
rigid crescent
Damn that's some wishful thinking
Index controllers that don't break shortly after use
They knew for a year the things had issues. I don't see what a few extra months that will do
covert blade
I guess imma be using my Vive Wands for a very long time then :P
rigid crescent
I'm closer to buying 2.0 wands than index controllers lol
covert blade
Any noticeable improvements compared to the 1.0 wands?
slate verge
2.0 wands?
covert blade
lol
broken plover
but 2.0 wands are more expensive than index controllers
atleast on the vive website
covert blade
HTC 101 Step one:
Don't buy it on their website
slate verge
ping me excessively when the valve index is in stock
slate verge
i don't understand why can't they just keep making them
rigid crescent
They are
That's why they're restocking. It's not really economic to just get them in one by one
slate verge
but they are out of stock right, i could imagine that its pretty hard to build the index
pure hemlock
The valve index is just too good for mortal hands
covert blade
Any new Index being made is immediately shipped to someone who ordered one probs several weeks, maybe even a month ago
slate verge
yeah thats what i meant its kinda slow for them to make the index
why didn't they just take like 6 month to make like idk....uh....5-7k headsets and release them all at once
covert blade
Difference being?
It'd take overall longer to generate revenue and it would take longer for customers to get their hands on them
slate verge
so that its not out of stock so quickly? how many did they release awhile back
slate verge
hm...
everyday people have problems with their index controllers and could always send it back to replace new ones like what
rigid crescent
They likely have stock allocated specifically for RMA
slate verge
rigid crescent
Why wouldn't they?
slate verge
well i guess
vocal shard
Nerd
languid beacon
Step 1.) never buy HTC products from their website
Step 2.) never buy HTC products
covert blade
-> Has a Vive
rigid crescent
buying HTC products that sometimes break or buying Valve products that always break 🤔
buying a product that, if need be, can be made to work indefinitely (the trackpad issue some people get) or a product you have to return or get replaced every few months until your warranty runs out 🤔
multiple friends on their 3rd pair on Index controllers btw, one about to be on their fourth if they can't get a refund
covert blade
Damn
rigid crescent
maybe the warranty resets tho? Iunno
ruby needle
That's not how a warranty works.
Else i'd be kinda a stupid cycle 😄 (At least for the companies 
)
rigid crescent
Some places have special warranties tho
Apple for example replaced the mouse from their store for a while
i think i got like 6 different ones
uncleanable scroll ball, genius tbh
couldve just been a shop thing though, not sure
ruby needle
Over what timeframe?
If you have a 2 Years warranty and it needs 6 Replacements in that time then thats fine. (... in theory )
But past the original periode there shouldnt be.
(Unless very specific circumstances where the companie does something out of goodwill for what ever reason)
In terms of the Index early gen issues with the knuckles i'd not be surprising if they'd give early gen users a longer warranty then intendet (not everyones controller breaks like you do make it sound like )
rigid crescent
it was always at a store so it could be the employees didnt give a shit
ruby needle
Apple is THE company living by the "trow away buy new" philosophy, so that'd be strange
rigid crescent
I was a greasy crumby fingered kid when i had my mac so i fucked that trackball up plenty
wooden pelican
i have a question and idk where to ask this. will VRChat have support for Nvidia VRSS? i know it just came out but im curious
rigid crescent
Everyone's might not break, but a significant amount do. A lot of my social circles got them and a large chunk of them are either on their second pair, and there's plenty talking about drifting issues as well
Like I make it a point to ask people I know with the Index controllers how they're holding up
partially as a meme but also because I'm genuinely curious
But seriously, someone on their fourth pair? They're not repairing them, they're sending entirely new controlelrs
closest you'll get to "cheap"
and by cheap I mean next to full price
umbral reef
Just make sure your PC can actual run VR
pale timber
and that it actually works
umbral reef
Also, be sure it includes the controllers and camera
rigid crescent
link it
VRChat without the headset and VRChat with it are entirely different things
It might be good to link your specs and the ebay listing
pale timber
^
rigid crescent
it might be good to link your specs and the ebay listing
suit yourself
What the test says is OK and what is actually ok for VRC can be very different, but if you wanna risk it then be my guest
Again
pale timber
thanks for the info!
umbral reef
You know, a photo would actually show stuff properly
rigid crescent
what the test says is OK for VR and what is good for VRCHAT aren't always the same
umbral reef
If all other parts are also functional then maybe 🙂
crystal fossil
inb4 2.0 wands also have half the battery life of 1.0 wands. Just like the trackers.
rigid crescent
with what CPU with what RAM
which is why the actual specs are helpful
as is the ebay link to the Vive because that price is suspiciously low
umbral reef
Also is it the 4gb or 2gb version
rigid crescent
just....a picture of the specs man
umbral reef
Thats a big difference the 1050 and 1060 xd
rigid crescent
do you not know how? is that why you're skirting it?
vocal shard
Did you just buy random parts without looking at them?
crystal fossil
I do need to RMA my left knuckle now though. \o/
pale timber
thanks for the info!
rigid crescent
I need to just go through all my friends and make a tally lol
umbral reef
But can you give us or the prebuild full name or the specs screenshot from the steam test and the ebay link so we can check it properly
rigid crescent
why is this so difficult lol
crystal fossil
Now it's left.
rigid crescent
right click and hit "copy" on the Ebay link. Right click in chat and press "paste"
pale timber
it really shouldnt be taking this long
molten gale
Wats poppin
pale timber
hi paci
rigid crescent
🇽
pale timber
lmao
molten gale
rigid crescent
just share the specs of the PC already...
umbral reef
The steam vr test should legit tell you what you have
rigid crescent
it tells you GPU and CPU
you're gonna have some issues with that CPU and RAM though
rigid crescent
definitely the RAM lol
umbral reef
also just to be sure. Are you on a desktop or laptop
rigid crescent
yeah this is gonna struggle with VRC as is
umbral reef
Welp, then try getting a cheap VR
Something like WMR is most of the time cheap
But dont expect anything good in performance, 45 FPS at best, ram problems and loading being slow.
Then upgrade ram once you can as thats the biggest limit you got rn
twin fractal
oh no, I meant I first ran VRChat on a GTX 1050ti and i3, 8 GB ram
umbral reef
Just get the same 8gb stick
Like exact same as that will work for sure
Easier then comparing sticks seeing if they work well together
rigid crescent
the memory leaks are gonna be killer lol
umbral reef
Should be fairly clear if its one stick or two sticks...
twin fractal
ram was my biggest issue even with those shit specs. kept crashing
umbral reef
Is it one long stick inside the board or not
twin fractal
can you see inside your PC
umbral reef
https://www.wikihow.com/Check-Computer-RAM
Or literally look inside the PC whats in most cases easier
ow, was too lazy to look at the link but eh
Just look at the side of your PC
Do you see one long stick somewhere or two..
molten gale
Stick owo
twin fractal
paci
molten gale
pale timber
i made dinner and this is still going on
twin fractal
there's only one slot??
umbral reef
Wait as your mother board only has one channel for ram sticks?
molten gale
Lmao f
umbral reef
Or only one is being used
twin fractal
they make those?
umbral reef
lmao your right well thats something
Time to also upgrade your mobo then
twin fractal
just searched it up. whew
umbral reef
Reasons like this is why i always suggest to self build
twin fractal
get the ram for now
umbral reef
You get better gear, with easier upgrade paths for cheaper...
And if you cant build a pc you should not be allowed to ever touch lego again
twin fractal
lol I've been using that Lego analogy whenever people assuming building is hard
not a bad GPU
molten gale
tf
twin fractal
flashbacks to playing League of Legends in highschool with 20 fps
pale timber
i played minecraft and league on integrated for years
stuck oracle
is there something that skips oculus software and just uses steam VR?
twin fractal
bro I would open taskmanager, kill explorer.exe and set league to high priority just to get a few more frames and less stutter
devout heath
WDYM?
twin fractal
truly struggle gaming
devout heath
League runs on potatos.
stuck oracle
14 fps minecraft, ah the good old days
because you probably want something unique to you
pale timber
same
when i had integrated i had the worse internet too so i would start crying everytime i see my ping spike to 20k with my screen gray and the Waiting to reconnect... box
twin fractal
yeah my internet was terrible too. there were certain times of day where I couldn't "risk" starting a game even
ruby needle
@stuck oracle no but there is something the other way around, which bypasses steam vr's overlay and crap making playing SteamVR games kinda like playing native Oculus ones.
https://gitlab.com/znixian/OpenOVR/commits/master
bleak rivet
lol
inner cape
slim patrol
yo what's the difference between a tri and a poly
I'm trying to use blender CATS decimate to make an avatar quest friendly but have zero experience with any of this
broken seal
there's no difference, they're synonymous
ruby needle
well actually a tris is a triangular polygon. there is also quads which would be square ones 
jovial pulsar
I'm stuck in an infinite black screen 
vocal shard
vrchat fucked for anyone else
jovial pulsar
ye
vocal shard
teal radish
good, so its not just me
paper loom
how do i fix video players?
sinful forum
._. Reeeeee
FIX IT
small wing
Thanks VRChat, very nice.
kind geyser
came to make sure I wanst the only one
vocal shard
whats the problem? avatars not loading?
kind geyser
worlds not loading
jovial pulsar
Infinite loading screen, etc
kind geyser
cant even load into home
silk talon
Can't get into worlds
gusty tundra
Worlds isn't loading for me either
vivid sandal
Anyone online in VRChat like to be my fwiend
covert juniper
hello
vivid sandal
Hello
earnest fiber
if you want to be friends with a damn furry, sure
vivid sandal
Oh My Celestia can I pet you
jovial pulsar
abort 
gusty tundra
^
vivid sandal
Im a snake
inner cape
i like the self awarness
hollow falcon
I'm always on between 9pm and 4am
kind geyser
I have no problems with Furries
vivid sandal
Well a lamia half bread
kind geyser
most furries are generally non-toxic
earnest fiber
agreed
vivid sandal
I can’t wait to get that email to upload my avatar Oh My Celestia I work so hard on it and building a pc to play VRChat
kind geyser
in attitude and diet
earnest fiber
only like 20% of them are cringe or rude
gusty tundra
I really need to clean up my desk and my PC itself again. Dirty/dusty right now.
earnest fiber
my vrc name is the same as here
jovial pulsar
vocal shard
checking, is vrc acting up?
kind geyser
I'd add you but you know.. we here..
vocal shard
i'm hard get on a world
jovial pulsar
Server issues
inner cape
yo, yumakaze, just saying pepes arent permitted here
desert stratus
genuine server issues? nice
vocal shard
inf loop drop out world
jovial pulsar
@inner cape outdated rules 
earnest fiber
uhhh
jovial pulsar
I thought they only enforced that stupid rule during early vrc, is it still a thing?
inner cape
still a thing
jovial pulsar
Wtf, lmao.
inner cape
🤷
jovial pulsar
Old people rules 
inner cape
what can you do
jovial pulsar
kind geyser
I'm going to make an emoji set that is love speech
vocal shard
im having the hardest time connecting to worlds in vrc
inner cape
alright, evelynn
jovial pulsar
Yeah, there's issues atm
kind geyser
Evelynn is all about love.. chu talkin bout 😛
inner cape
exactly
jovial pulsar
As long as you're not a Yasuo main, it's cool
vivid sandal
I’m all about having fun
inner cape
love untill she tears your ribs out
viral void
Ree ;-;
kind geyser
who needs ribs
inner cape
i dont, im a ghost
vocal shard
can confirm, pretty much "server issues" it is, give the admins time to fix it and stay calm :3
vivid sandal
I’m in a world
kind geyser
Just dont change worlds and you'll prob be fine
vivid sandal
Yap
sharp glade
Oh so I'm not the only one getting a black screen after login?
vocal shard
hi, just checking if im the only one havin it but i keep getting stuck
kind geyser
TO ALL WHO ENTER You're not alone
kind geyser
XD nice
vocal shard
Loading world problems
merry lodge
Anyone else having issues loading into anything? worlds, lobby, and loading avatars?
radiant fog
yuuppp
merry lodge
Ok i was worried it was my computer thanks
serene talon
it keeps bouncing me out of any world I pick and reloading it
merry lodge
yeah me too
serene talon
Or I pick worlds that look like they have people in them and then loaded into empty map
I got the black screen after login too.
gusty tundra
I just wanna play......
woeful salmon
sent into publics and just seeing black screen
stark terrace
just gogt kicked from a world with people. timed out we all froze before it kicked us lmao
vocal shard
only can join publics. nani?
woeful salmon
yup
spring crag
Aaaaand its dead
vocal shard
I can’t even get in all I see is a black screen
dusky cedar
black screen eeeeeee
late thistle
this happened right as im opening the game epic
jovial pulsar
gusty tundra
^
fervent tundra
oh
stoic frost
what just happened???
fervent tundra
i thought it was just me unable to join
vocal shard
the game actually crashed
chilly bone
oh no. was literally about to log in...is it down atm?
vocal shard
Everyone is having problems
I’m getting a black screen
in the #announcements have a note
desert stratus
the servers, no. likely something with the api since people are online but half of the online functionality doesnt work
black screen issues, people who are getting in cannot load into worlds / certain instances
chilly bone
Gotcha, they're investigating
tame island
everyone hold hands we can get through this
vocal shard
lol sings Kumbaya
chilly bone
lmao
sharp parcel
that sentance had too many capitals, appologize!
vocal shard
Hakuna matata
earnest thicket
awww i just got home hoping to play some vrchat and its down? 😦
vocal shard
black screen issues, people who are getting in cannot load into worlds / certain instances
earnest thicket
welp, imma try here goes nothin
vocal shard
He or she is gonna die
earnest thicket
nya off to die
past cipher
:L right when i want to play VR Chat
vocal shard
You won’t make it in
past cipher
not like i dont have a life
inner cape
@jovial pulsar get pinged
vocal shard
The power is too strong
earnest thicket
@inner cape get pinged
chilly bone
I guess make sure your headset drivers are up to date in the meantime lol
jovial pulsar
Pinged the wrong one 
inner cape
you fool
tame island
F in chat for ghost loli who's gonna be very confused :(
vocal shard
So what was everybody’s plans on VR chat?
jovial pulsar
F
sharp parcel
i was gonna either play chess or stand near a wall and not talk to people
vocal shard
I was just gonna chat with some friends and laugh after a long day of stress
@sharp parcel Lol love that
floral escarp
Rip
past cipher
what are friends
vocal shard
Online friends
desert stratus
instead spent a long time recreating one for all effects in unity
sharp parcel
unless your the fake news
cinder flume
theres a train that rumbles by my house so fast everyday it shakes my entire apartment
vocal shard
a train?
vocal shard
good luck sir
past cipher
will they announce when the servers arnt dying anymore?
tame island
usually they do!
tame island
welcome! like if u look in server status, the one above thiss most recent one is them declarin its clearing up
valid quiver
I always seem to want to jump on right before they act up
hexed lava
Can anyone help me find the baby yoda avatar 😭
rigid crescent
Probably not in a world
jovial pulsar
Does anyone know where to get that Emilia Kanna avatar? I can't remember which world it was from
pine vine
hahah
vocal shard
Hi
vocal shard
Is there a place where you can be sad ?
vocal shard
vivid sandal
I can’t be sad in VRChat I’m having to much fun like a loli at a candy store
young tendon
@vocal shard actually yes, Sad Hours
hasty anchor
Anyone else having issues with the VRChat Home website infinitely loading?
Trying to redownload my VRCSDK but the website's just doing the infinite loading logo.
hmm, can only open it in Firefox for some reason. Can't use chrome
modern barn
was having issues with it earlier but its been working fine for the last 2 or so hours
just randomly got signed out tho
hasty anchor
Yeah, I can't get in still through Chrome.
vocal shard
@vocal shard I wish there was, cuz I could seriously use one
hasty anchor
@vocal shard Sad Hours according to Bscbs
vocal shard
Yea, but that one doesn't work well for me
polar geode
Squiggle diggle I have no friends
signal sequoia
Does anyone know where to find your VRChat account creation date?
I know mine was somewhere in 2017... can't find any confirmation e-mail though
Oh, found a way. Steam license. Seems like I started Oct 19 2017
earnest thicket
lome
vocal shard
Hello
lofty forge
ayyy
thorny bloom
Vrchat is constantly disconnecting when i try to go to any world
fluid bloom
mossy thistle
special programming language for vrchat
hollow sluice
Not yet introduced. If youre not a world maker you shouldnt really worry about it
candid fiber
They just update the term of service. What exacly change?
hollow sluice
They own you now
candid fiber
Political & Religious figures and symbology. Civil discourse is allowed in private spaces where all participants are aware of and accepting of the discussion.
So no jesus avatar?
misty thistle
Hi
hasty anchor
Is there any way of getting more than 16 faved avatars?
ruby needle
No.
Dont forget these are Favorites not to save everything you find 
Creators want you to visit their worlds and see stuff / bring in new people, so 16 on the go accessible ones is allready a lot
hasty anchor
Unfortunately I have too many favourite avatars I have to ditch because I don't know where they came from (cloned them) and one of my friends said he had some sort of unlimited favourites mod so I wanted to make sure
lunar cedar
Just have someone else clone, check avatar author, then favorite their avatar world
desert stratus
youre friend's gonna get banned then lol. just favorite avatar worlds
ruby needle
Then your friend is pending a permanent ban 🙂
mossy thistle
scaaaaaary
hardy prism
Kek
vocal shard
Lmao every time I finish the avatar there’s always something wrong
How do y’all fix like animations not working in the legs or like not seeing yourself in the mirror?
Also how do you completely disable facial animations?
viscid seal
channels like #avatars-2-general might be able to get your question answered quicker
it'll just get buried in this channel
vocal shard
Aight good idea
languid beacon
So like literally a goose?
vocal shard
Yes
valid frost
Well I wrote this song for the Christian youth
I wanna teach kids the Christian truth
vocal shard
Hello everyone, I’m new to vrchat and of gaming in general. I come from Xbox
meager solstice
@vocal shard Welcome
hollow falcon
Ok person
meager solstice
@hollow falcon did u just assume their species?
subtle yew
hollow falcon
Yes
fading flower
aaaaaaaand some schmuck bought the vr headset i was gonna exchange this one in for
some one is gonna get beheaded for this
in the name of the fucking queen, mark my words
vocal shard
Anyways thanks @meager solstice
meager solstice
?
frigid marsh
does anyone know if the PC avatars will also be visible on the quest in the future?
gilded helm
@frigid marsh Avatar creators have to upload the avatars to quest, so unless people start doing that then probably not
teal apex
Hopefully they won't
rough pulsar
They mentioned something one about something like that. It was vague so who knows ¯_(ツ)_/¯
vocal shard
hey
faint skiff
Nah, his friend isn't getting banned. I know literally several dozen people using the infinite favourites / avatar selector mods, none of them have ever been banned. There's no cheat protection, no server side sanity checking, etc. There's basically no security so unless someone who works for VRChat walks up behind them and watches them sat at their PC using it, they won't know. It's hilariously insecure.
@frigid marsh No, because your Quest would catch fire.
Quest is now a complete shitshow too, almost everyone is using PC avatars on Quest (as in straight uploaded without any optimisation), which results in you losing between 5 and 15 fps PER AVATAR that you enable.
warm glacier
What did I walk into
faint skiff
On top of that, we also accidentally stumbled across a bug that will allow you to simply crash out anyone on Quest from a room (aka the black screen issue).
warm glacier
O.O
opaque hawk
There is also the narrative going around that polygons don't matter, which is sort of true for pc since we have dedicated graphics cards, but quest doesn't.
@faint skiff yes I've seen that happen, had to boot someone out of a world (I was the world owner thankfully)
In general though quest is probably the safest place to play the game, as long as you don't mind seeing robots. Lots of quest players a pretty chill
faint skiff
I've been to the Pug west on occasion on Quest and every time I was there, over half (normally almost all) of the avatars were blocked. Inspecting them showed they were 50k+ polys (often around 90k) with 3+ materials. Until the SDK enforces actual limits, this is just going to get worse.
Nah, PC is perfectly safe if you disable custom animations. Quest barely runs the game even with everyone as robots, it's uncomfortable.
twilit latch
Hey everyone, haven't been on this Server for a while. I've been desperate lately.
pure hemlock
Everyone here is desperate. Welcome to the club
twilit latch
Okay
umbral reef
Can I just say again that I predicted and questioned all problems in advance for the quest.. and that I got laughed at for being a quest hater for doing so 👀
twilit latch
Well, last year around August/September I had to reset my PC bc I downloaded a virus and I was afraid it's gonna compromise my PC further. But I forgot to backup all my VR Chat Playermodel Unity Files
pure hemlock
🍪 here you go oclac. Grats for having brain cells
umbral reef
thanks yin
twilit latch
I backed up plenty of shit, but not the things I needed the most
desert stratus
the meme about polygons not mattering is still a meme on PC
umbral reef
No way to get them back sadly fzone
Would be neat if one day we could download our uni files from vrc even if it's a bit broken
desert stratus
nownere near as impactful on quest but you caan push a PC GPU over the edge on polygons, especially with skinned meshes or certain rendering
umbral reef
@desert stratus vrc removed the limit ofxours it doesn't effect anything 🙂 🙂 🙂
desert stratus
oh yeah since the sdk no longer has a lomit that means that its fine uwu
umbral reef
That's how it works
desert stratus
lemme upload a 1 million triangle mmd
opaque hawk
don't forget the 100 shape keys and 500 bones
vocal shard
Yin is particularly desperate, tho, careful
twilit latch
Honestly, I'm surprised this isn't a thing already. Just give us a Download option when going on the Browser Website already, since we're the ones logging in it should be obvious it's ours, not someone else's