#vrchat-general-2
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It won't be
I know its lower res on the headset, but like
VR isn't at that point yet
I feel if I pull it closer to my face I can see clearer
The edges are blurry
Things in the middle seem to be more focused
Make sure
It's lined up vertically (the sweet spot on those lenses are wider rather than taller)
The button on the bottom let's your slide the lenses closer to your eyes if you need
The software IPD needs to be correct, otherwise it will cause eye strain.
59 IPD seems alright, the edges are still blurred but not as much. It's slide as close to my eyes as I can
Blurring around the edges of the lenses is normal for VR. Some are better than others. Generally the Rift S is better for that
do you get trust by people joining your public world?
Don't think anyone knows. Maybe???
Idk
@vocal shard The higher the IPD, the closer your eyes are together?
The lower the IPD the closer they are together. Mine is 59mm
Hm alright, ill fiddle with it
It's the measurement between your pupils
Is there a way of accurately measuring
Can try taking a ruler to a mirror and closing one eye, looking straight and lining up 0.
Then switch eyes and look straight to see the measurement
As for the motion sickness, this is your first VR headset right?
It might take a week to get your VR legs. Don't push through it. Take breaks
No, be strong, fall and get back up ๐ช
Break a leg out there
r/badadvice
how long did it take y'all to go from visitor to new user?
haha yeah, i was gonna say
4 hours on my alt account.
(My main didn't need to rank up when they added it)
I had 2 people added when I got new user 

how many hours for you, dain?
You should get an email and a notification ingame, its all automated
Hello, I have a question. I uploaded a character to VRchat a while ago. I deleted the files for it. I would like to continue to work on it, so there a way to download the model you uploaded to VRchat?
not unless your'e a hacker.
Right. Thank you for the feedback
it would be classified as "ripping" an avi. possible- yes, frouned upon- heavily, banned -yes
Even from the VRChat website > avatars uploaded?
You can't download project files. Sorry
just mention ripping and mods come through. i love yall, thanks for the hard work out there
I'm just a volunteer chat mod for the discord. The game mods are actual VRChat employees
@crude palm when you launch the game, you can hold Shift to open the settings window. By default it's on the highest setting
theres a 2mb world I get like 100 in but most popular worlds I get anywhere from 15 to 60.
Yeah... The game is kinda heavy with some worlds and users avatars
With the rift, you can play from the client on the Oculus store, not requiring steamvr if you don't want the extra program running
But will it use my Steam account?
No.
It's recommend to merge your steam account to a vrchat.com account anyway.
You can't upload avatars/worlds or manage your profile through the website on a steam account
man i wish steam would stop advertizing me to buy the valve index when the buy button is disabled due to being sold out :|
I can't even get the index in my own country
Ok what is the best vr set for full body tracking
Index I assume
Index ?
htc vive allows the use of vive trackers
the best body tracking is the vive tracking pucks, so any lighthouse based headset is best, since that puts everything in the same system. i'd recommend index 1K kit + 3 vive trackers. but that puts you at a grand total of $1300 USD
Valve Index
waiting for the day when valve sells the index to the rest of the world
HTC Vive is actually is one of the worst headsets currently still being sold (Classic rift was worse, but it was discontiued)
What has the best headset and controllers
index, or Rift S, depending who you ask
How much is the index
Depends what gear you already have
Hey when I test my world these weird grey textures pop up everywhere. Any way to fix this?
if you have nothing, 999 USD
So when I open VRChat through Oculus, it still opens SteamVR
if you already have a vive, index is 500 for just the headset or 750 for the headset and controllers. but if you don't even have sensors then it's 999 usd for everything
How do I stop this
Ooof
@crude palm make sure you're opening the one from the Oculus store. The Oculus library might have just made a link to the steam one
if you have "allow unknown apps" enabled in oculus home, it will add all your steam Vr games to oculus home, meaning two games called vrchat with near identical logos
I see
Quest is decent. On it's own it's limited to a mobile platform. Avatars that are too performance heavy (majority) are replaced with robot placeholders
So I have to not allow unknown apps?
You went from best VR set for full body to Oculus Quest 
it wants me to install VRChat again lmao
disable unknown apps or just pick the right vrchat game from oculus home by luck
Install the one from the Oculus store
Okie dokie
Lol
You don't need to disable unknown apps. It will just show two copies of the game
Okay
Hmm
What has the best experience for vr
VR is still a new technology... Any of them have troubleshooting
@crude palm I'm not sure, sorry
thats okay
Index is the best overall consumer VR system. But it's expensive
i gotta reinstall the oculus software
They're all good.
They better be
What? Why do you have to reinstall?
Im using my work money for thus
If your budget is 200. You need to save up and WMR is your best bet (assuming you have a half decent computer)
Oof where else does one get money 
The wording just really caught me off guard
are there no good vrchats for desktop ):
what does that even mean
LOL that's what i thought


saw the quest hand tracking came out, wonder if rift s will get the same update too
@rigid crescent There are barely active worlds in my region is what I meant *
There's no regions. There's plenty of active works.
I guess I'm using this wrong then
Open your menu, go the the worlds tab, and look for the ones under "active"
I am hearing that the Oculus ver of VRC is smoother than SteamVR
Yeah
Steamvr isn't running in the background, so less resources are being used
Wouldnt open compositer do the same trick? Works that way in boneworks at least
Then again, I got no clue what i'm talking about
So I assume Beat Saber would be getting on Oculus too?
Beat saber isnt reasource heavy
Yeah
Beatsaber I would keep on steam.
I dont mind if I have to play VRChat on Oculus for better performance
But I like to have my hours on Steam
Paid games i would prefer on steam so if you ever upgrade headsets to something non oculus, it's still there
Once gog galaxy 2 comes out of closed beta, it shouldnt be an issue
It's really useful
Oculus has hardware lock gog galaxy will not help you
Do not buy games for Facebook since they will be unusable if you switch headsets
ello
Heya Lycon
Anyone know where I can find some femboy avatars?
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Does anyone know VRChat's actual release date, before steam?
@vocal shard Try Filn's avatar world. Hit the star button next to the avatar trigger to load more of them; that's where I got my preferred one
thanks @glad bolt will try
Hope you find a cute one soon! โฅ๏ธ
Eh seems I've already been to this one, thanks for the tip tho since there was another set I hadnt checked
There aren't too many good male avatars out there sadly
Whats this unity change for VRChat?
Don forget wolfbois

@cold talon That was included in the gayboi or eboy comment...
@vocal shard You can try subcom's world too, similar style to Filn's.
anybody know any worlds with avatars from the anime pyschopass?
I just got off but I'll keep it in mind @faint skiff thanks
So, setting the unity graphics to vrlow completely fixed my fps problems ๐ค
Are there no vc's on this discord?
Nope. 2 reasons
1: We already have VRChat itself
2: No way is anyone going to want to moderate that
...and how some of it came here to complain about game being down for several hours 2 days ago...๐ฑ
ok so in a world it says it has 300 or 400 people. but when i enter theres like 1 or 2 people
where do i find people T_T
Does it say that next to Public or Private?
public
Also check the Instances listed at the bottom of the screen. If you're not seeing busy instances, it's because they're all full.
do you have to create avatar's and worlds to hit the Known User role ?
No but it helps
hmm i see
question for rift s is it best to play vr chat on oculus store or on steam ?
Direct from the store. You don't need SteamVR if you're just playing on a Rift S.
(you only need SteamVR if you're doing some sort of weird hybrid hardware setup)
would playing on the store reset my rank ? @faint skiff
No, you can link your accounts
You can merge your VRC, Steam and Oculus accounts into a single VRC account.
any news yet about avatars 2.0 etc?
Nope, 2018 is still radio silence.
Big sed
"The trigger system is also being removed in VRCSDK3.But worlds that are using triggers will still work, until you decide to update to VRCSDK3 or VRChat breaks it completely" ... erm...
Erm what?
Doesn't pretty much everything use triggers right now? I would have thought the trigger system would remain implemented for a lot longer until everyone finally moves over in... god knows how long's time (given that you're supposed to use the latest version of the SDK at all times).
Well, if you read it again; Worlds that are using triggers will still work
Which means that if you upgrade to VRCSDK3, you will have to use UDON as there is no triggers there.
VRCSDK2.5 will still work
So you can still use the old SDK going forward? Because historically that wasn't really a thing, hence my concern.
For a time yes, which is where the "until....VRChat breaks it completely" comes in
If they do decide so
So "use the latest version of the SDK" won't actually be good advice for a while then, as I imagine it'll take people some time to move over. Hmm.
They aren't going to push VRCSDK3 and break every world that is using triggers.
It will take time before those worlds are converted and at some point you won't be able to visit them until they are updated
They will give people time to get to know Udon and update their worlds
Fair enough. The lack of communication lately has put me a little on edge in terms of what's actually going on.
I don't think they'll decide to just arbitrarily kill most of what makes their game popular - custom worlds
Beta might last for a while and udon might follow shortly. They'll need to deprecate triggers eventually so make people use udon more, which should also run better, but look at how long the unity engine upgrade betas last, i doubt it's gonna be any less than that
I'm a little miffed that I'm not going to be able to do a Christmas update because I moved to 2018 a while ago now and the beta has no signs of ending so, RIP me I guess.
When is christmas again
25th
hmm
24th too
That is not Christmas day. That is Christmas eve.
In germany for example we have christmas on the 24th and we open the presents that evening
It wasn't specified if it was Day or Eve ๐คทโโ๏ธ
We give presents on new years here
Christmas Eve is the evening or entire day before Christmas Day, the festival commemorating the birth of u know who lol
Yeah so do we but we only open 1 gift on eve.
Also
they specifically asked when Christmas day was.
and I gave them the answer.
When is christmas again
which is stating what day it's occurring
both answers are valid
For me, Christmas is the 24th not the 25th like in the States
^
but yeah, i just tend to not remember
Well I gave them an answer ur point in being picky about what day I say
confuses me or even confuses me to even have a reply to that
Could of simply said oh where I live it's on the 24th
I wasn't, I just said 24th too You were the one that brought it up of what was what
kind of contradicted, I mean of course I don't know if it's xmess eve or day because they asked if it was Christmas, Christmas for most is on the 25th here.
Where is here then? USA is not the only continent in the world =/
Well no duh but I'm going to say what I know where I live.
Yeah and so did I, so why I do I have say "Where I live it's the 24th"?
Georgia, Kazakhstan, Russia, Serbia, Ukraine, ect?
do I need to go on, you can simply look this crap up.
So does it really matter then? You're the one getting fired up about this.
you can really just look it up.
not really, only one can put emotion in to text, I'm eating atm.
Then why even bring it up? Both dates are valid.
You asked question's I gave you answers, simple.
If you say so.
yup
Either way I'm stuck working Christmas eve
I hate Christmas
I've only had to listen to Christmas music once this year so far. Thanks online shopping
@exotic pulsar shouldnt 8 years of retail make you immune to it due to automatically ignoring it? 
That's my experience with it at least 
nope, it enrages me when I can't turn the station
and 4 of those 8 years was Walmart, and they only played THE SAME 4 SONGS ON REPEAT
Any one want to play
all i want for christmaaaas is yooouuu
All I want for chirstmas is a new GPU and the Index
i need a new cpu
Any one want to play?
All i want for Christmas is my dream watercooled super PC
Small ambitions I see 
3900x, 32gb ram, two gtx 1080ti (i don't like the RTX cards) all on water
I got 32GB of RAM, I recommend getting more if you are going to be doing a lot of multitasking
Can you use two 1080tis
Yes in SLI
I hit the limit of 32GB daily if I try
Might go for a 3950x if theres a deal
I'm still on 16gb.
Don't do SLI, almost nothing supports it. It's basically a big waste of money.
I'm still on 8GB 
But the big bling
Didn't know they still made cards that can sli
Damm
SLI is such a niche market for gaming now, same with Crossfire
it's more used in mining and folding
Not everything supports SLI
Last I heard VR struggles with using it well too
24 GB. 8 literally had me crashing
I crashed a lot in VRC with 16, had to upgrade to 32.
I was sitting at 24GB used last night in VRC
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Dan is dabbing
Dab Dimmadome of the Dimsdale Dabbadome
Dain is dabbing

tears of joy, I hope, and not from the overwhelming fear of the dab?

@modern sand 
guys, how do I get an Account Link Token from in-game? I need to link my Steam account with my VRChat one
lol
Open Menu -> Bottom Right -> "Upgrade Account"
Instructions should be in there too
I have "Emoji" on the bottom right
Settings
@nocturne yew log into the game from your steam account, and it's it's in the settings menu
ESC -> Settings -> Bottom Right
Bottom row which also says "Quit Game" and "Logout"
alright, all done - thanks โค๏ธ
@covert blade you rad, man
heh
maybe now I'll finally get my SDK enabled
that's what wasn't working so far, probably
Yeah you can only login via a VRChat account
whats correct so if theres a 1/4 chance of something spawning in a game every 10 minutes then does it happen every 40 minutes? or no?
No, cus that's not how chances work.
And also not how topic corresponding channels work.

Approx 13% chance of that event not occuring in said timeframe
if I did my math correct
guys
now that I have my SDK enabled, how do I upload my avatar?
if I go tto VRChat SDK>Show Control Panel, I can't find what I need?
Ask in #avatars-2-general
they allready did on their own.
fair enough
Can't seem to find it in the server. Which version of unity are we on? unity 2017.?
@worthy tapir https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/setting-up-the-sdk
And if you cant read that its -> 2017.4.28f1
thank you!
Is there not gonna be a winter world playlist this year?
There is a way to send text messages to vr chat friend?
Not in game
Does VRChat have "appear as offline" mode yet so your friends can't see if you're online
Unfortunately no
Thank You for your service Jamie /)(^w^)
Ping -> VR Pill... yo wdf, add Appear as Offline mode already. I don't want people following me around in game
Delicate social ecosystem etc
Most social platforms have an appear offline mode
Are they just doing nothing for winter this year or what
VRC is similar to those in some aspects. Not all
Discord and MMOs have it but they also ways to get in contact with people outside of seeing them ingame. VRChat has nothing like that.
Every social system I've ever seen has a invisible mode so yeah, it not being implemented here is rather weird.
Just appear as busy and type Offline in your status.
No social system you've ever seen works the way this one does though.

Maybe if it only worked in public or something sure but all that does is add more tools to be antisocial
That seems to be the main reason people want it, publics.
Not popular enough for it to be useful at all. 
I only add people I like being around 
Sometimes I want to just go and play on public worlds, or record a little skit, and not being able to appear offline always makes people want to join and I often change my plans then. That's a reason I'd like to appear offline
You should've been a streamer instead of a YouTuber and you can get whatever you want done smh
how do i know if others are using cheats ?
like playing murder if someone is dead and then come back alive ?
Sometimes I want to be on without random people joining me, shouldn't be too hard to understand.
thats why creating private portals is a thing
Nah, I can see how it would be annoying if you just wanted to explore publics but everywhrre you go you had people joining on you
when i want to explore i just do it private owo
If you to be completely alone
An example, I was at the community meetup. Going with everyone and trying these deferent worlds. Then my friends start joining off me, and are suddenly in a crowd of people they don't know and feel uncomfortable.
Am I just gonna leave them after they came to say hi?
No, we all bounced to a private world where they felt more at home...
I'm not gonna leave them, but an appear online mode would be nice from time to time
yea thats how i explore places owo
Yes
You leave and keep doing what you're doing? Hello?
THEY joined on YOU, if they aren't comfortable why is it up to you to help them? That seems more like a "Jamie is way too nice" issue
If I join a friend and he's around a ton of strangers, I don't say "Hey....I don't know these guys can we leave?" That's autistic as hell. I don't expect them to do that for me either. If I wasn't comfortable joining a friend who is around people I don't know, I'd join, see there's strangers, and leave
They never said anything about us leaving, but I know my friends well enough to read them
Wanting to explore public worlds without others joining is honestly the only decent reason I see to add something like that, but "My friends are introverts and can't be around strangers" isn't a good one
I put others before me. Their needs are more important to me than my wants most of the time
I mean, this is a totally different subject but I don't think they NEED to be in a private room lol
I stay in private worlds most of the time.
but that's why I suggested it only work in publics, because that's the main reason I see it would be useful
boring bird smh
I never set foot in public.
I'm exclusively Friends+ and Public, I avoid Privates outside of a specific Private Weekend event.
Like if you see me in a private it's because im zoning out in my home world.
I'm in private because I gave public worlds one too many chances.
Wanna give it another chance?
No.
You're more of a target because of your avatar, feelsbad
That is true.
If I log on I usually start out in publics
I go to publics unless when nobodys on
I have different friends who don't necessarily all get on with each other. Having people from one group joiin on me when I'm with I'm with one of the other groups can be super awkward.
im happy not to be so popular
Anyone with animal ears avatar are obligated to a headpat
I didn't have animal ears until earlier this year, its crazy how people want to fucking touch them all the damn time
so what do one say when your friends pat your head `?
uwu
I just move my ears around since the movements are tied to my gestures
i either do that or nya'
You say UwU or Awoooo and tilts your head back and forward or side to side
This is the way
i learned something today thx @deft iron xD
I'd sooner toasterbath than do that
Lol

You're welcome. You've graduated from Headpatting Course.
I allow headpats, I don't do any more to accommodate the headpatter than be stationary
@sonic ingot same 
Be forewarned, headpatting can lead to cuddling, cuddling can lead to kissing, kissing can lead to ....
Feelings of extreme loneliness
You're doing it wrong
Play a game on vrc
If I could play chernobylite within VRC...
Hux is your PFP being absorbed by something? Lol

@faint skiff Can send you the full pic if you want. ๐





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Anyone else having trouble logging in? :/
๐ what did I started, now thereโs an emoji showdown going on... ๐ฅด
Anyone having issues logging in?
Apparently cuz everyone asking ๐ค
Would seem it ๐
Nope logged in fine for me. Just checked
@sonic ingot Sure
Can't really switch worlds.... Won't load. Bleh
Anyone recommend any lesser known worlds to check out?
I checked out fins submerged world yesterday and it opened my mind to the type of stuff people can do, and now I want more ๐ฉ
They really really need to change the way worlds are sorted when you search worlds
A proper rating system would be great
So even if your world is new. If people visit it and like it, they can like thumbs up the world and give it some exposure.
Really want that ๐
with udon we're probably going to see a surge of innovative worlds so rolling out a more effective world search would be perfect for a one-two punch
That and a lot of bad ones. First month or two will be a rollercoaster
I'm excited to see how the "meta" changes when creators get new tools. I wonder if the current trend of comfy/chill or club worlds will shift
whew udon lookin good rn according to the hashtag
I can't check right now. What's up with udon?
I really want to screw around with it
Screwdon
from what i saw earlier... you can make objects follow paths now ๐
but seriously there seem to be a ton of new scripting/automation tools at a glance
https://twitter.com/Teknobabel/status/1206690986052579329 look at this fucking gem
yea, instead of just walking straight to a spot they actually recognize obstacles now
bRo
that's awesome
could i have a link to install vr chat on steam please
open steam....type in vrchat
oooo
that reminds me of the entrance to the earth kingdom on avatar lmao
wait theres no space
even if you include a space, it still shows up on the first page lol
it wasnt for me lol
mr toasty has hacked into steam
if anyone's looking for a good movie to watch i'd recommend summer wars. no spoilers but it's an anime movie about a vr game/world that the whole world has adopted and a threat arises...
the plagiarized movie lol
It's something only an American audience would notice too afaik
It's basically the Digimon movie the US got, but reskinned. We got 3 movies mashed into 1 though, so Japanese audiences might not notice since they got all 3 digimon movies individually.

lol duly noted. i haven't seen the digimon movie... is it good?
Well, if you liked the Summer Wars movie you'll like it
xD
No kidding though, check out the comparison lol
OH and the nail in the coffin? Same director
Digi Digi.. digimon digital monster
I wish I could use my Renamon emojis here. ๐
how hard is it to make a model into an avatar if you already have the model
not super hard if it already has all the stuff
this video helped me make a model into an avatar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKwI4pjj7jY
cause i found a model for the inkling used in smash bros and wanna use it in game
also how do you downgrade it for quest
Is it true VRChat is upgrading to a newer version of Unity?
yes, we have an #open-beta-info channel too
Yea- Its been in #open-beta-info for a fair while by now
Ah okie, thank you

No release date for it at all so no need to ask for one
only word we have on release date is pretty soon

VRPrettySoonโข๏ธ
Nice
So they changed the IK right?
Something to do with it not using your CPU as much
Why are there videos online from 1 month ago testing the new IK then?
It's testing Live NetIK vs Beta NetIK
Yeah thats what I am talking about
Nope
People learning to optimize avatars will do that though
Bt that wont happen any time soon
Yeah lol
The IK is pretty performant now, I don't imagine it getting much better

Is snail marker still fucked unless you write reeeeally slow?
thats a good question ive only seen world markers on beta

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So I wanna stream VRChat at some point right, how do I get the chat in game? Or a browser? You know like streamers pull up there chats in their hand
I heard its some toolkit
OVRdrop
You can pull up the chat in your hand with Streamlabs?
That's the Steam one right?
I play VRChat on Oculus
Ooh oh, that I'm not sure sorry
That's alright
I have heard there is something called OVRdrop and some other toolkit - just not sure which is better to use.
I too am curious if anyone has done that setup, would be nifty using with your Oculus Touch controllers in VRChat
!online
There are 7185 users in VRChat currently
Damn @yumebamii#0010 you can't use steam?
Wtf discord

haha
I can use Steam yes, but VRChat seems to run better on Oculus store
Idk, maybe im trippin
I want to stream VRChat probably
And pull up chat in my hand without having to go into menus etc
And stuff like that really
I'm mega sad, my VR chat is completely messed up >.<
you can pin the oculus windows so they wont disappear even if you close the menu
Yeah I know
make the window smaller, make the font bigger, pin it somewhere in free space, profit
otherwise you gonna have to use steamvr for ovrdrop
wym
Well
When I watch streams when they are in VRChat they just pull up there hand and there is the chatbox in a browser window
instead of having to open a menu and click on ur pinned window etc
no one in game (vrc) can see your ovrdrop, its local
also in ovrdrops case, they can attach the chat window to free space or their hand
I dont need anyone to see whats in my hand
you dont have to open anything to see a pinned window in oculus btw
its permanenly there, youd see it in game
How?
you press the little pin button on any window
within oculus dash
and thats it
you close the dash, everything but that window will disappear
you cant attach the window to your hand tho, no unfortunately
Ah okay
it would have to float in space
hm
Kinda looking for something in my hand I can just pull up
I didnt know about that you just told me though
So thanks
ill just sum it up
benefits of using the oculus for this:
- no need for steamvr
- chat will always be visible so no need to look at your hand and you wont miss a message
cons: - its gonna obstruct the view slightly
- can be quirky setting it up
benefits of using OVRDrop: - can attach to either hands or local space, controll rotation, place and even opacity
cons: - have to use steamvr
- have to run ovrdrop
ultimately it comes down to performance and how much your pc can handle, especially when streaming
Thank you, so probs gonna get performance hits with OVR i guess
I guess I can buy it and refund if its bad
not as much, from my experience, but eveyones rig varies
That's true
what are your specs?
What's your rig?

last time i used ovrdrop was when i had a 1050ti, i5 6500 and 16gb ram
is it just a 1060 or Ti ?
There isn't a 1060ti
I didn't think there was one either
All 10xx series nVidia cards had ti version except for 1030 and 1060 for some reason
1030 had slower gddr4 memory version* instead and had the same name
Yeah
wait, there really isnt a 1060ti, wth
it is, but harder to justify when it isn't something like "the last episode of star wars" scale
although if someone spoiled the expanse for me i'd nuke them from orbit
dumbledore dies
(its ok i already read all the books anyways)
why not just keep it anyway
its not like you're in need of keeping the rules consise; by default there are 24 of them
yeah we have a lot of bases to cover
most of which are covered by "don't be a dick" but that's hard for people to understand
just be like: read the tos dumbass
it wouldn't be as silly if it wasnt a rule that only applies to one movie
especially that frog rule
i mean, the way the rule is written is generally applicable
don't spoil shit, but written in long form
Pepo is allowed right 
am i the only one who when i upload a avatar, it doesnt pop up in my avatar list?
i'll likely refactor the rule to a more general sense of "don't spoil stuff" later on
just not Pepe
: (
@gaunt jasper Make sure you're using the right Unity version. 2017.4.28f1 for Live.
I wonder how performant most of this #MadeWithUdon stuff is
tupper i laughed when you said yeah we mean star wars 
itโs funny my parents booked tickets to see the new star wars lmao, i hadnโt even known the new movie was a thing. even fortnite did something about it..
Difficult to say at the current stage of it @rigid crescent
I have seen client lag because of we want to do it sort of thing
Yeah
Even as far from full/open release as it is, it does put a bit of a damper on me wanting a map made, along with the impending update
knowing I'd have to get everything redone or figure out how to redo it myself
its pretty performant, a small bit of overhead due to the VM on top of the unity externs its calling
but perf is mostly up to you
if you do something dumb like instantiate a bunch of objects that also instantiate a bunch of objects ad nauseam you'll murder perf pretty much immediately ๐
In general, is it safe to assume a map on Live that does a bunch of crazy stuff but isn't super performant would perform better if done similarly with UDON
very dependent on what precisely is being done
Yeah, nothing specific comes to mind honestly
but generally, yes, performance should be better if you replicate it with Udon instead of trigger/action chains
I guess that huge rpg world, think it was lakuzas
triggers and actions don't exist in the new SDK3 (where the current live trigger/action is called SDK2)
That map is already pretty good isnt it? I never finished it but ive hung out there
you'll learn more later, but its best to think of worlds as "SDK2" or "SDK3"
SDK2 will live on for quite a while and we'll continue to support it, but SDK3 is the "way of the future"
SDK2
we've been on SDK2 for quite a while
The future. Hmmm to get a map or not
iโm sorry tupper did you say triggers are going to be removed? or have i missed the conversation
Is that thing with the ball moving the pillars around possible on Live? 
No, I did not
SDK2 uses Triggers/Actions. SDK3 uses Udon
both will exist simultaneously
although most "future features" will be exclusive to SDK3
So the option to make more will be gone but the ones that exist will be supported? Or would you be able to use a pre-Udon SDK to upload a world still using triggesr
which is udon?
yes
okay i get ya
No, SDK2 will remain available for download
you scared the living shit out of me for a second lol
lol making everyone quit cold turkey would be wild
if there is sdk2 then what was sdk1? 
events system
SDK1 no longer exists and if there's any worlds remaining that use SDK1 (pretty sure there isn't), they won't work
okay
ehhh, not really. I don't see us force-dumping SDK2 in any near or even far future scenario
and bu@upgrade i mean if i want the newest sdk and the future ones (apologies)
but if we ship a new feature to worlds, it'll likely live exclusively in SDK3. Not a binding statement, more of a guess
okay
also, you can't really "upgrade" an SDK2 world to SDK3. you can remake it, but obviously since triggers and actions go away, they just stop working (in SDK3)
again I'm glossing over a ton of this
you'll learn more soon
so i would be able to just take my world in a seperate branch and upgrade all old triggers etc to the new software, then upload that.
it'd be more like... you'd take your 3D/texture/those types of assets into a new project, then replicate the behavior of the triggers using Udon.
We will see complete udon graphs ready for copy paste that users can utilize with simple set up.
Posted this earlier https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EL7GonaX0AAX7tt?format=jpg&name=large
On interact teleport
oh i will learn more aha, iโll stay close with this because iโd want to upgrade but iโd need to learn all of what UDON has to offer first
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awesome tupper! so glad this is all happening soon ๐
Yeah I imagine the most popular initial Udon scripts will be those that replicate Trigger behavior
It looks so messy though, are there different views?
Maybe I'll actually be able to make a world now lol
No, but you're free to write your own compiler ๐
node graph is just the "built-in" method
brb writing my own compiler
Some of our closed testers are already building basic compilers
but.. it isn't easy
I thought nodes would get messy for me too, but I actually eventually got into the groove for it
sometimes I wish I had access to just writing what I want, but most of the time i end up remixing and building a lot more smoothly because of nodes
nested nodes will help a lot
I can definitely see something like a database unity addon for them popping up, like an UDON cookbook or something
Just type in "Teleport" and a few Teleport options come up
so one feature I pushed for and got in was "copy paste strings"
if you've played factorio, you know about blueprint strings, yeah?
I feel like you shouldn't have had to push for that ๐
well, you'll understand in a sec
so previously if you copied/pasted udon into notepad, you got a JSON-like object

but what it does now is compress it, then encode the compressed string into base64 with a version byte at the front
factorio does this for blueprints ,and their community built stuff like https://factorioprints.com
Find blueprints for the video game Factorio. Share your designs. Search the tags for mining, smelting, and advanced production blueprints.
Does anyone know why my Rift S says 'No DisplayPort connection' literally everytime I boot up the software
already got udon.kitchen
So annoying
wait do you actually lol
because there is no display port connection @crude palm
That code is those 4 with data
It's plugged in.
Yeah this looks a lot easier than having to have literally a million triggers for even the simplest of things
power down vr software turn off headset from power and disconnect
reconnect to pc, out power back on
reboot software
Thanks ill try that
by software i mean steam vr or whatever you use
i'd love to have a button in the node graph editor that rendered a little web view of a "node browser"
find a snippet you want
click a button, it puts it into your clipboard
I wish the spoiler thing was in full force during End Game, but I appreciate that it'sgoing now.
;P
we're likely to turn it into a general rule
although our rules are getting quite wordy
you should though tupper, other servers people spoiled it ๐ฆ
true, wasnโt that the 24th rule xd
rule 11 in particular is redundant, that's already against discord TOS
6 months later
rule 47
@civic plume Worked, cheers
24th rule was "stop spreading misinformation"
because people love spreading vrchat rumors and misinfo, and i have yet to see a vrchat rumor that was true
oh i meant 25 then
the one just added, and referring to that we have a lot of rules :p
wait one was true, I forgot which one...
iโm breaking a heap ton of rules atm, iโm not working when i should be
xd no
pls
It's ok, if we say every server problem is a ddos, one of em will be true
broken clock etc
like saying people can destroy your GPU? 
They blue screened me!!1!1
Ahhhh. I guess I should learn how to perf check my models that use custom IK. :I There's not any guidelines for those and I'm too tempted to use them generously when people keep trying to tell me they're expensive.
muh gpu
They'll get your passwords if you're in public too ๐ฒ
i found someone that said theyโre gpu got killed but turned out they screwed it with over clocking 
they blew up the memory clock o think, cranked it way too high
Like, my current project already has 6 scripts and I'm relying on a dozen constraints and I'm not even halfway finished. I dunno how many cycles I'm stealing. Halp.
you can view draw calls and stuff when you click the game camera, thereโs a mini tab called stats i think
So what is the ms goal?
iโve been using that little window to decrease my shadow casters on unnecessary objects drawing shadows
youโre looking at draw calls or setpass calls
Uhhh. IK though.
someone correct me if iโm wrong but i think thatโs how much unity has to bug the system about itโs graphics and texels or whatever
iโm gonna learn to understand that stuff soon though so donโt quote me on any of it
add me on discord if you ever need some help, i really gotta go to work now
Go to work xD
a draw call is a call to whatever graphics API is running to draw some objects (triangle, whatever), a batch call is a group of draw calls to be done together
thank you tupper 
minimizing them where you can (and where you should, but that gets complicated somewhat) is important because CPU has to xfer stuff to GPU on each call
having more calls is better than the alternatives in some cases, like worlds that need to separate things for occlusion
Are IK scripts perf hit included in draw calls?
IK has nothing to do with graphics rendering, so no
I'm using Final IK on my models. Like every recent one.
batching is what you mentioned there? (batch calls)
I just want to know some guidelines.
static batching ?
those certainly eat a bit of CPU time to run, but they aren't really related to draw calls except that they both eat frame time
we don't really have guidelines for that kind of stuff. Profile it yourself in Unity's profiler, and try to minimize the frame time for your setup
Weeell, I guess I was asking how to check those things.
keep in mind to maintain 90FPS for VR, everything in view must be under 11ms, and almost all of that is already being eaten by other user's avatars, the world, and a small part is being eaten by VRC systems
Okay. The ms is what I figured I'd be looking at.
yeah
.5 ms might be ok if its just one person in a world, but if you've got 30 people in a world and they all have something eating .5 ms, then you're already at 15ms processing whatever script that is, and you still need to render the frame and do everything else
(which is why dynamic bones is so bad)
Okay, so now I know that I need to tame a few things. Nice.
So one day in the avatar-optimization channel Jamie Vatarga asked me this question:
"Hey Tupper, is there a detailed explanation we can link to people when the topic of dynamic bones and colliders come up? Because since the performance ranking system, we see a lot of people ...
i made this a while back
still applicable
Wew, mods get embedded vids in general too โ๏ธ
I stopped using colliders when I started using custom curves over a year ago. My DB have never been as bad as any average user.
Lol The days of public avatar world shaming back when everything was manually approved. Omg
That was blessed
Never knew people got that high before I saw how many popular public avatars were over a 1000 checks.
I loved it around the time where they were rejecting the words lag free
i both miss and do not miss at all that whole process
Lag was not free, it cost
Do you still carry the scars of having to deny the Gachi world?
Oh baby, could you upload the whole thing somewhere?
That'd make a gud Christmas prese-
and mic, here's my response:
Wow, what a tease
RIP Aniki
xD
Wake up aniki 
tupper memeing in his own server lol
Oculus quest or vive
Why those two options?

sick
Going back to IK performance 4 VRIK's with a grounder for 8 FABRIKs (4 bones each) was originally 1.2ms average and with some settings changed (LOD set to 1 and quality of Grounder set to fastest instead of best) resulted in average 0.85ms. Not sure there's much else I can do as its as bare bones as it gets for the IK to work. I'm assuming that all Final IK is being processed as IKExecutionOrder.LateUpdate().
Does anyone know if clients are ok? Like not the ones that can crash people or ddos them, like the noclip ones?
none of them are ok
F in the chat for mic
lmao rip mic
As with most things, if youre caught youll get banned but it's ok because you can just make a new account since they don't manually ban ban evaders
mic don't get angry pls
gotta deal with vrcd as always 
Iโm guessing you havenโt had such a great time with client users?
can't remember the last time i've seen someone with one doing something malicious honestly but
still can get you banned. most people aren't caught unless they're showing off tho
Ah ok, cause I saw someone with one and they said it was fine unless it was malicious
Ban hammer doesnt discriminate clients. If youre caught youre caught
The last times ive seen them they either randomly noclipped or gave me headpats
That's another rumor going around lately yeah
You can instantly tell by their movement if they are noclipping
If its more floaty/slidy then normal
Nah bro its my colliders
Just my colliders dude btw I'm moving your ears it's cute
Ive met one client user that was really happy about my entire hair and ears being interactable
I enjoyed the rubs
No touchy
I dont mind
Not like they can touch me in any bad way with my current outfit
Its a onesie
Still waiting for my main outfit
The only good head pats are wholesome head pats
Exactly
The strangest experience I had was in a public japanese shrine
I was sitting in front of the mirror and two adult japanese men in strange avatars and desktop mode came over, said some stuff in japanese and just looked at me
I heard "Kawaii" tho
Still a very strange appearance
I remember one of them had a 2d nikei in a suit with red text saying "S_x only"
The other was definetely using a crasher
It was an eboy with dark clothing and had a sniper with shader
Hey not every e-boy with a sniper or a gun is a crasher ;-; , like me
Crasher avatars always look like that
Also it was a typical crasher rifle
One you see on the back of many crashers
A few days ago I saw a client user with a laughing coffin avatar
I thought those went extinct
My friend... there are a lot more than just laughing coffin.... and they arenโt even close to gone yet
I know
But I was kinda scared
I said "Oh look a client user"
And the next second that dude, in desktop mode, is hovering next to me in that avatar
I legit dont know how I got outta there without anything bad happening
They'll just go on an alt lol
Just saying 90% of clients have something that A. Tells you a mod is in the lobby or B. They can use esp and see them if there invisible
Yupp
Because they have their own API tag
Can we get laughing coffin client 
I mean there is one
what
Wait, don't they just make edgy crash avatars?
Yep, but they have a discord and have a client made just for them
So they can be top tier cancer

Bruh
Yeah.... they are dedicated
Well i do applaud their effort, too bad it's probably made just to enable easier crashing of other users

Not gonna receive any headpats from those bois
Lmao
Yeah... I mean other gangs like leviathan and polyginal gang are more just people out to kill the bad gangs

no time to sleep its time for vrchat
Naaah
Sleep is for the weak and I am weak
Dang, there goes the vrc lore 
can't exactly speak about it here
Yeah... maybe it wasnโt the smartest idea of mine
Welp gtg soon
time to sleep then?
Sleppo well pacei
Gn paci
Isn't it like 7:30 in the morning for Paci?
Is he European time?
Yeah
I dont see the problem with that
Then yes
probably woke up early time to go to bed
Gotta leave to school
You sleep at school?
So we were right, it was sleep
Kinda sometimes
sleeping in school good times
yeeees
School sleep is best sleep
I found a eboy padoru
Oh no
Why are those 2 words in the same sentence
Go vooom
hope you have a good time
Anyone know if there is a way to turn off vibration on the Rift S Controllers?
isn't there like a settings menu in the oculus home
im soo bored
The udon editor is named udon after the popular dish with the same name.
Or... Is it?
Hi vrchat, Michael here.
because it name udon
because udon is cuter
u don(t) say

have some noodle powered asteroids
@covert chasm Could you help me out with something real quick?
I can't get my game to work for some reason
Also what game is that
It looks interesting
Actual spaghetti code 
we unfortunately don't provide support via discord, but if you check out #vrchat-support you can get it handled (or get some help)
that's VRChat udon, our new programming language that's in closed alpha right now ๐
Aww
everything in that video aside from the physics (its just unity rigidbodies bouncing around) is powered by udon
Is there any way I could play that little game
i don't think so, not right now
Alrighty
maybe i'll turn it into a little RC spaceship game once udon is out
Can it be used in live worlds yet? (or 2018)
we have a branch of 2018 for closed alpha testing that could run that, yes
although that scene isn't a valid vrchat world because i don't have a world descriptor ๐
and the controls are keyboard, so
would have to create a little joystick or something
Hard coded keyboard input 
for that specific program in particular, yes
So I know you said you don't do support over Discord, but if I gave you a short detailed description of what's going on and you know how to fix it right away could we just do that? I'd really rather not wait for a support ticket to go through for this since it seems really simple to fix.
If it's too much trouble though don't worry about it
i mean, i'm likely to tell you the same steps that are in #vrchat-support
I can already see people making desktop only interactions
in particular, this link: https://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/17-i-crashedcant-launch-vrchatother-issues/
Go to #user-support-old and have some patience otherwise
well sure, people can make what they want
but worlds that let people play with it will have more visits than worlds that don't
Yeah, of course
Yeah I was looking at that, I've already tried restarting it, reinstalling it, the command prompt thing, and the appdata thing
It's not that the game is crashing, it's just that I can't load into any worlds. Whenever I do the loading bar fills up, then resets, then fills up, then resets, and after doing that like 5 or 6 times it brings me to this world that says something went wrong
if none of that solved it, that pretty much expends the advice i'd give D:
yeah I don't think that'd qualify as simple, sadly
grab your output log and send it to our support team
Aww man, well thanks anyways, I'll just try a support ticket
Well, can't wait to play around with it because i can't be bother to go back to trigger chains after scripting



