#vrchat-general-2
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They were opening vr o a wider audience, and by doing so, they increased their profit margins hugely
Now a kid can as his pop for a vr headset that won't break the bank, and by that I mean needing to buy a computer alongside a vr set that is compatible
It's a money thing
I genuinely believe a large part of those sales are attributed to VRC being a launch title and them being nowhere next to honest about the PC/Desktop vs Quest experience
THe quest's existence isnt the issue, it's VRC's inclusion
If I remember right, the Quest trailer for VRC shows scenes the Quest doesn't have, like DB and I believe a video player
Honestly, I say stop complaining about it because it is just a method of socializing, who honestly cares if your PC only avatar you spent 4 hunid on can't be seen by a person who spent half that on their whole setup
i don't think they were complaining we were just having a discussion about it
People deserve to know that if they buy the quest they wont see most avatars
What?....
That is not specifically directed at you guys, more as a general statement because all I hear is complaining
The only people spending 400 dollars on a PC avatar are, usually, creators getting ones from scratch which oddly enoughmeans its pretty easy for them to be Quest compatible lol
"many ppl will say quest, ignore them"
Yes, because Quest is a terrible idea for VRChat?...
and people will suggest it to you
Can I still talk to people in vrchat?
You talk to robots, which takes a lot out of the experience
Yes or no
you can but to answer your original question it's not the best option for vr chat at that price bracket
I know you're trying to seem clever by being black and white, but it won't work.
Well its not black and white 🤔
That's like saying" I need a vehicle to get to work, any suggestions?" and I say "Yeah here's this bicycle"
"does it get you to your job?"
"ok then its fine"
Does it play vrchat, yes. Do I care if I can't see most ppps skins, NO.
then thats great go for the quest
Main problem with robots is not that the avatar doesn't show, the eye level is wrong
You cant look people in the face
I rode a bike to work in the snow storm we had last Monday, why, because I needed o get to work
You don't even need a VR headset to do that, you can just play it in desktop
if you have a somewhat vr ready pc you might want to try the rift S which is in that price bracket
If all you care about for VRchat is talking to people then theres this great program called discord where you can talk to people without the need of avatars or worlds
Desktop is a pain in the ass, I'd rather be standing up and what not
Well the cheapest option si something like a janky cellphone setup lol
Yes, and where, mayhaps, would the voice channels in this server be, Scion?
So try going for that instead if you're looking for the cheapest entry with zero regard for the experience
It's called community servers lol
I like to keep my discord servers to a minimum
lol
No need, they added folders now
it's the part where they're backed into a corner, best to just give up now
I have 3 total servers, this one, my personal one, and a meme one
you'll get no logic from this one
don't think this discussion is very productive at this point it's just kinda devolved into proving each other wrong
Thats this whole discord lmao
it's tapped dry lol
All I asked was for some pointers for cheap functional vr headsets, quest is a viable option
So are the various cellphone solutions. Arguably cheaper too
Yes, but do they have vrchat
You can get the quest, take it for what it's actually able to offer. You're made aware of the general perception. It's up to you now.
Yup, stream it straight to the headset
Or you can try PSVR, that's cheaper than a Quest too
or was at one point
how much does the original vive go for?
I don't have access to a computer rn, as it's battery kinda melted, how can I stream
its not for sale anymore i know but second hand
it'd hard to find one new, 500 last i remember
OG vive is discontinued so the prices can vary more drastically imo
gotcha
For some reason I don't think you're being genuine now. Why would you ask for other headsets when your only option is a Quest?
why are you turning this into something it's not
Because I was wondering if there were any others LIKE quest
Maybe a knockoff that would work
If you dont have a computer then quest is your only choice IIRC
lol
I'm biased, but other than Oculus dash generally being annoying bloatware, I'd look for CV1 over Vive.
alright, enjoy the Quest then. if you don't care about quality then you're sure to enjoy your experience so its fine
quest should do well for your scenario, not ideal however
but muh FBT
Vive is better just for FBT imo
my experience with CV1 rift has been really nice but i haven't tried any other headsets to compare it to
Eh. Work your way up.
i don't see a need to upgrade so long as i can get the sensors set up right at some point
lol I've wanted a "realistic" Oculus quest experience video but no one i know who owns one seems to wanna waste their time since they all have PCVR as well
my main problem is that my room is a little cozy, vr is doable but i need to be a little careful
My rooms too small to walk around in VR so Im always laying down
can quest users play with pc users?
I was half stupid and went from CV1 to Index with FBT in one jump.
Yes, in cross platform worlds
The issue is that like 9/10 tiems they can't see their model
what percentage of worlds are cross platform, just like an arbitrary ballpark number or something
like....maybe less than 2%
alright
Wow, low probably. If you consider every existing world
If we're just going by "active" modern worlds, "not a lot"
i think asg should reconsider then
No, let them
Yeah, I was going to be generous, but 2%ish.
they don't care about the experience or quality, so the Quest is honestly right up their alley especially without a reliable PC
@vocal shard do bear in mind that you'll definitely have troubles finding other people to talk with in vrchat, if that's a pill you can swallow then go ahead i suppose
Off the top of my head, the only populated cross-platform world is the Black Cat
Do you own a quest, mic?
Nope, PCVR
we're just going off of other people's impressions here
Okay then, so, how do ou know how quest would truely work if you don't own one? I've talked to a bunch myself, and their only complaint it the avatar shtick
....what? Because I've read the documentation...
I know more about the quest client than you do lol
Reading a document does not a master make
uhh
We're not talking about mastery?
I get you're trying to be clever, but you'll need better arguments, ones that make sense.
asg i think its just safe to say that there probably aren't going to be many other people to play with even regardless of the quality of the headset itself
The avatars and worlds are basically VRC though.
You are acting like you are the end all be all of knowledge in regards to the quest
No, I'm presenting you facts based on what is known about the Quest
You obviously are not as you don't own one and have not used one
So if their complaints are avatars and worlds, their complaints are VRC?
Well no, there's plenty of people to play with you just see gray robot people.
I never claimed to do anything but present FACTS based on what is known about the Quest client. Period. Nothing I have said is false
I guess, saigo, yes, vrc is the only issue
So the whole game is an issue?
Honestly, probably
....ok, so if the whole game is an issue, it's a bad experience altogether
I usually don't recommend the quest for VRC specifically because of the avatar and world limitations. Other games for quest are fine IIRC
awesome
But it's still not atruely functional, set in stone game, it's constantly being updated and having better optimization and increases to what it can fully do
There are things that are impossible with the quest client based on current technology
Main problem is that the devs rely on the players to make content. And people rarely make content for the quest
Don't care
correct, we're just saying that in its current state it's probably not the best idea
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/023/707/maxresdefault_(17).jpg I feel like man-ray right now
Not to you scion
im not a vrchat player
This is exciting.
Your name fits in this situation then XD
i will grab the game physically out of hy hard drive and drop it
But it's still not atruely functional, set in stone game, it's constantly being updated and having better optimization and increases to what it can fully do
This statement is pretty empty though, the Quest client can almost not improve at all based on the hardware the Quest has
who/
that is how dead serious i am right now
game over. we're done
I'm talking about vrchat, not the quest
oh
ok? how does VRChat improving change the Quest experience being practically set in stone?
you guys seem to enjoy this
People getting heated for no reason.
i know..
heated?
Misinformation breeds misinformation 
Because as time goes on, like...idk who said it but someone mentioned vrc being primarily player content created, hopefully quest compatibility will become common place
what are you all talking about?
It's primarily PC-Player created content
we're debating whether or not asg should get the quest for vrc
and a majority of PC users don't HAVE Quests, so they're essentially making content they can never see OR use
ohh
which is why it doesn't happen
But there are people out there making PC/Q compatible world's and Ava's, and a few people who are going back, and making their world's and Ava's quest compatible
PC users can see all avatars, we have no duh limitation, there is no duh thing as a quest ONLY avatat
I've only made one avatar Quest compatible. And ONLY because I genuinely felt bad when a Quest user would mention not being able to see anybody. That is my only personal experience with Quest users.
Do you know how a Quest avatar works?...
nope,i dont even play it
Vaguely, I was reading up on it before my laptop crapped itself when I was making a quest avatar for someone, that was weeks ago and work is currently frying my brain
You upload two versions of the same model. One lower quality "quest" version and your main one. Quest users see one, PC see the other.
A Majority of PC users don't bother making a Quest version of their model because it's more work, they'll never even get to "experience" it, and they'll rarely, if ever, even know if another use is experiencing it because I don't think most PC users are ever in Quest-Compatible worlds
I even made simplified versions of all my particle effects and everything.
im being facetious please don't answer that seriously
I mean you could attempt to lol
I didn't bother making my player model PC/Q compatible because I was only going to be the one using it. But one thing I have noticed about quest models, is that all of them can be seen by everyone. I'm sure soon enough when you upload an avatar to vrchat there may be a part of the ask that allows you easy access to quest compat
I need to decimate her another 2k though.
As of right, now, there's PEAK time, there's less than 600 players total in Quest compatible worlds. Not Quest players, total players. It stands to argue that, at peak hours, less than 5% of the entire playerbase is even in Quest compatible worlds, and I'm willing to bet an even smaller percent of those users are quest users or in quest compatible avatars
that sounds scary i dont even know what numbers we're talking here
oh, tris on the model
oh
i thouhgt it was like a commission and that's how much it cost to make the model or something
She's 8k right now, but that's still too high.
I HIGHLY doubt there are only 500 on max at once.
that would be funnier i like that better
It's hovering at around 600 users in quest compatible worlds right now, at PEAK hours
Might need to just remake her shapes and decimate the face, unfortunately.
as in this is the most people VRChat has online at once give or take a few hundred
Given how many quests I know are going out to people in the 4 States I deliver to, that numbers about to skyrocket
THere's already been over 400,000 sold sooo
Despite that, in quest compatible worlds there's only about 600-ish users on? At peak hours?
You say quest compatible but I've seen quest users in worlds that aren't compatible and they have no issue
I want people to help in other channels. Not silly stuff either. Gimme interesting inquiries.
Like what world? 
Have you ever asked yourself how many from that 400k are used for vrchat?
You really think I, the guy with 5 hours total game time, would know the names of worlds
the quest sounds cool i could like
and in that case, how do you know it wasn't Quest compatible?
Look at the bot on the right.
I say 30 of those are quest.
And yet one of the most active set of channels in this server are the quest channels
Can maybe watch movies with the quest. Can lay back and not have to hold anything or look up at the TV. Cooomfy.
Also as a content creator in making worlds, I have no intention of making quest worlds.
that doesn't equate to the Quest players being active
my eyes would probably burn when i'm done though
So you'd intentionally take away somes ability to play a clgame meant for socializing just because you don't like to (bear with me here, imma make a horrid term) questify them
how is the screen resolution for movies and stuff?
No because my worlds are too complex to be quest friendly.
it's higher on the quest than it is the rift s or CV1
Quest cant see movies afaik
not in vrchat
That's why the Movie World isn't quest compatible
in general
oh, you mean the app they have? It's probably pretty good
gotcha
I use Index now and my TV is just a 1080p, so for me, it's better quality lol. Especially when considering the audio of the Index.
I only make worlds that push the visuals and dynamic theme to the limit.
Are you unable to make less complex world's that still server a function? As for whom ever said making stuff for quest is pointless, making a world and avatar for a free game is also pointless, but how many still do it
it always seems like bizarre to me looking at like a 4k video through a relatively much smaller display
granted i haven't tried it
Why would people make more quest worlds when the current ones are all unpopulated except for two?
People create content in this game for others to experience, if you spend hours or days working on a Quest variant of your world, odds are you're wasting time on something no one will ever experience to begin with
theres no high demand for them to justify other users to supply
I watched anime the other day and locked my Virtual Desktop to my headset's space and it was awesome.
worlds just dont get pumped out in a night, well good ones at least
Supply and demand, it's people like you who make people who have quests feel like they don't belong, you guys saying that just because they have a quest they don't matter as much as pcvr
What?...
I am getting to it
lol
I got distracted lol
It somehow is getting worse
it actually started to get a bit better and now its going back down
ha
See? Exciting.
hachuu
The more quest users have access to the more they will come in. Vrchat didn't become what it is over night you knoe
YES IT DID
it, uh did
actually what's like the point of the oculus go when there's like a quest now
I want to make worlds vrchat more than are more than just a floor and a mirror, and bringing motorstorm into vrchat is one of the craziest but damn best ideas I've ever had in so long.
thats exactly what happened to this game
Brudduh, c'mon.
the go used to be somewhat pricy
my bruddah
im fucking dead im dying
I forgot the Oculus go existed, wtf
holy fuck
what is pepe?
we dont talk about the go or cosmos here
This game LITERALLY became what it is now practically overnight
i havent laughed this hard in a minute hoyl crap
Ah, here comes the attempt at changing the subject
Crazy how the go is the most sold headset...like Nani?
China
No, I'm not done with you mic
lmao
isn't the go like one step up from phone vr
the go is most sold because of all the mall kiosks that use em for quick buck
But I had a question and thy tend to piss me off if I don't ask em
You've been wrong about....almost every point you've tried to make lol
And it's not even able to link or anything it's just a glorified cinema headset xD
I'm entertained.
I have not actually, I haven't beeing saying anything based on facts, mainly on opinions, and opinions are never truely wrong.
So am I honestly Saigo. The "didn't become what it is now overnight" got me good
@vocal shard the fact that you don't know what motorstorm is tells me enough.
OK let me rephrase that, you have presented nothing but poorly informed and uneducated opinions
Like seriously
I have a game in front of me and I just keep looking here instead. Like what? It's good.
A PS3 launch title that went on as a series.
Ok, I got that its a game, what is is
@shy spoke No spamming.
@shy spoke No spamming.
Come on some of us must have at least played on a PS3 at some point.
anyways saigo you should like play the game i think it's dying down a bit
i have, littlebigplanet 2 is probably one of my favorite games of all time
If it's a racing game, which I'm guessing it is, then that makes sense that I don't know what it is because racing games are trash
hot take
Jak and Dexter series.
@vocal shard that means I lost hope in trying to explain anything to you with that mindset.
Is it Dexter? I thought it was dakstar or somthin
THAT was the mindset that did it for you?
the "tea" has been "spilt" as the twitter kids say
its daxster
Not the "I've played 5 hours of this game and speak as if I've spent 500"? lol
Thank ya
Haha
Sounds right, muh bad.
everyone knows the best racing game is kung fu rider with ps move
snowboard kids 2
everyone knows the best racing game is tux kart
nothing can compare to the office chair combat
I don't say not posit myself as a knower of all things vrc, I just know that the more quest users have access to, the more we will see
or the lego one from like the 90s
That's actually kinda sad, not liking a genre I understand but to label it as trash? Come on I know you're smarter than that!
That's not how it works...
Hence my original supply and demand comment
I like racing games with physics that are just crazy enough and cars that get crunched just unrealistically enough.
There's actually quite a bit of Quest content, it's just all dead because there's almost no Quest PLAYERS, because the Quest experience is bad
i want to play like f1 2019 or something but i'm not into paying 60 dollars for any game...
I'm not a fan of racing games
500 dollars on dumb screen headset? rock on man
Racing games are trash, that's just my opinion, I think they are boring and offer no entertainment value whatsoever,uch like Madden or fifa
Boring for me
60 on video game? nah man nah
no no, supply and demand is more like there has to be a demand to begin with in order to supply, not that if you supply people will magically demand it
@hollow falcon see that's the kind of opinion I respect.
@snow wadithanks
i want to try racing games coz if i got into them i would probably enjoy them
i don't think there's a genre of game i definitively dislike holistically
Last racing game I liked was an older need for speed game
@indigo fern rn there is a relatively low supply for what is a relatively high demand of quest users, and with Xmas just around the corner, the demands only gunna go higher
I like racing games where the track is total chaos and your driving for your life.
need for speed is great i think
if the quest worlds were overflowing with users, that would be a clear sign that they demand it, but it might change with the holidays, i doubt it, but it might
Try VR racing. With hover bikes.
I like going backwards in nascar
@snow wadi sorta like deathrace?
519 current users in Quest Compatible Worlds
There's about 12,000 players total onlnie.
This means there's less than 5% of the playerbase able to interact with Quest users.
i like the old road rash on the n64, road redemption was lack luster tho
i don't think the new quest users are coming for vrchat, there will definitely be an increase in users but it won't be very significant i reckon
Take that 519 players and, being generous, assume half of them are quest users. That's about 260 Quest users, all in just two worlds despite the few dozen (hundreds?) of Quest worlds.
All I know is, I just got the S and it was definitely worth the money. I didn't get a quest because to me i didnt feel like it could handle the same power
Nah those are called car combat, like twisted metal, rogue Trip Vacation 2012 etc.
Birdy~
Let me clarify what I consider a racing game. Any game where all you do is drive around a track to get first, and that's it, no attacking others nothing if that sort
Twisted metal was a good game, I wouldn't call it a racing game
So, Gran Turismo?
another fun car combat type thing was that wwe one lmao
The ones I like are where you just have your vehicles, no power ups, no weapons or any such.
Y'all forgot Mario kart, that's fun with good friends
Mario Kart is a friendship heater
That's a racing game qhala, and those, imo, are trash
Like monopoly
NOOO
Or uno
How about looking up motorstorm apocalypse on YouTube to get an idea.
double dash
I can't play Monopoly with friends; UNO, sure.
everyone's like motorstorm apocalypse i'm like modnation racers
That sounds like mad Max style lol
Lmao
mod nation racers was fun with the customization
I remember that racing game where you were like a motorcycle that could change into some bipedal being with wheels o its hands and feet. Was trippy looking.
and silly track making
Everyone im getting married
Great!
I like how this chat has devolved into racing games. c:
Hi, getting married, I'm Mom
XD in game lol, that's what he... @glad bolt raelly
Hi Mom I'm hungry
but if yall not saying f zero gx once in a racing convo imma throw a table
Wait real marriage or vrc marriage?
I had to, lmao.
IGPX? @crystal fossil
dumb question how can i like..
Vrc marriage I think
add people on steam through the oculus store vrchat
Oof
(its not reak marage just a mean
is that not a thing i can do
Better go to the store, kiddo
i dont think so
I have no idea. But I have dreams about it sometimes.
the problem is that vrchat's performance through steamvr is really terrible for me
Crossfire lol
I need to get steam vr
whereas through the rift store it's like great
that looks like an hd version of cubix
Ngl, SteamVR is the source of 80% of my crashes in VRC.
Steam.vr is free, the headset isn't.
You need SVR for index, dontcha
Yep
Bleh
Makes sense, though, it's a Valve product.
i do appreciate that the vive and index have linux support
I've had it on my main tower for a while now, cus I wanna play univ sim 2 in vr
Mhm
valve is cool
Ahhh
Ohhh. These look bulkier. The ones in my dream were lanky.
literally found some ssd i used as an old boot drive, formatted it and installed windows on it just for my rift cv1
Wat
can't wait for openHMD to get positional tracking
And some of the tracks had like tubes you could ride all the way around.
Don't mind me, I'm gonna just go back to sleep for a few more hours, you all have a good day
that sounds a lot like IGPX lol
there were thinner frames as well, it was an anime
Hmmmmmmmn
Like
Or at least it always feels that way.
The scifi eureka?
Eureka 7. In my head it's racing animu.
Oh
Could be wrong.
Think there's a kuudere and a stupid kid mc.
What is kuudere
Think my taste buds for anime are dying out.
I know yan an tsun, haven't heard of kuu
Kuudere shows little, if any emotion.
Oh so blank slate
But still displays the dere qualities.
Sorta like the sister in no game no life
Yes.
Ah okay
So I knew of the type, just not the name
Still...that wasa freaky amount of affection those two shared
There are many dere.
Well... watch the movie? May make more sense.
Still freaky.
I haven't watched it in a while...
Any of it, I mean
jesus I should prob sleep cuz I have work and I shouldn't drive on less than 6 hours sleep but I can't FALL asleep
404 error not found
Delivery drivers make too much to be screwing up. Shoo.
xD
I cant stop spinning to the left and I need help with that error
DINKS
I just load the trucks right now. No time to drive or help drivers.
@upper token #user-support-old
Rig unplug your controller if you have one.
I dont have a controller
I am strictly a driver, and boy does it suck rn, our trucks are rear wheel crapshows
I make the day run smoother for the real money makers.
I played for the first time in a year today and the community has changed a bit
They’re more chill now and it’s not kids running around clucking and stuff
Actually enjoying the game now
Lol It has changed.
Hell, I had to be towed out because ppl don't know how to shovel their driveways
Exit vrc and relog without touching any key.
But I miss the excitement of the old VRC.
@vocal shard you were there for Ugandan knuckles too?
But if I see one more little red bitch running around I stg
Yep
Yea, I started then aswell
I stopped until recently
I usually play it to work on my social skills
I started before then but didn't make my name onto The Wall.
That's what I'm tryina do too, but soon I'll just go out drinking soon
Beer makes a good conversation starter
Again
The only thing I dislike about the game are the girls who love the attention revolving around them and just scream at randoms for attention n stuff
But mostly everyone is chill
Egirls
I relog without touch anything
Some guys do it too
I’m getting a headset for it soon
@upper token go to the #user-support-old
Rn I play desktop and its hard cause I barely use my mic cause I’ll just be awkward lmao
So I can actually use my hands to talk or communicate
I stopped being awkward when I first played on PC. back when overwatch was big
I need to play some more tho, but I'm debating on whether or not to buy a headset
I wanna move o a pce first, my current place has no vr room
One time I met a guy who ran a cult on destroying people’s ideas of love and tricking them to have no emotions
He was strange but cool
What was his name?
Cuz that sounds like something I did a while back
No clue
Edgey phase lol
He got his heart broke or something and he ran a no love cult or something
Brainwashing love out of people’s mind
We were on the great pug
Yea, it's not hard, really
Oh, nah, this was years ago, what I did
Oof
It was creepy cause if I joined the discord then he needed my address Incase I left the cult
I just blocked him Nd dipped
All you gotta do is drill into ppls head all the times they messed up when it came to love, show them and convince them that all their issues with other people are because of live, and if they didn't have love, they wouldn't have those issues
Human beings are remarkably maliable
Most of the guys on vr chat are dicks lmao
Most of the guys*
Some are dope af tho
Most drunk people are the nice ones
Don't need to add "on vr" lol
I have yet to play vrchat drunk
I want to tho
I haven’t hung out with anyone since 2016 so don’t know how guys are today
Oooof course you do.
Guys are a mixed bag, you never know what you get.
Most people drink or meme or sleep in front of mirrors.
I have played overwatch, apex, fortnite, ping, and 3 different cod's drubk
I joined a sleeping world and had the urge to scream and wake everyone up
I wanted to so badly but I didn’t
But then the one dancing guy Andy or something joined and danced for us
I give free hugs but I also cheer people up when they're down...like really down.
What’s the guys name on YouTube who dances and stuff in vr chat
I just wanna run around like the drunk uncle giving headpats and, according to some sources, being racist to literally everyone no matter their race!
Oh
Don't do the last part...please.
I'm apparently a riot when I get hammered
The only racist people I’ve come across are 14 year olds
Oh no, it's not like, aggressive racist. It's like jokingly
It dumbfounds me when people join a sleep world to wake everyone up and remark on how they don't get it. Can't just be those cute desktop users that build pillow forts around sleepers.
Anyways qhala, I'm pretty sure my drunken racism is a by product of my depression, according to my shrink
ye luckily none of my friends do that, theyre all sleepers too
I like watching those desktop users quietly build forts around people.
It's a good relaxing evening.
There was this one girl who was asleep in fbt in the pug and her body did some crazy crap and people freaked out and woke the poor girl up
When I'm hugging someone to cheer them up, a random comes up to me and says " that's is a big ass bird...can I get some hugs too please?" XD
Does your avatar have the same huge knockers as your pfp?
blessed bird 🙏
Pretty much.
I've been one of the people receiving the pillow fort. So pampered. I get sad when the aforementioned people come in and just ruin their work. Dx
Fckin tryna dig yourself out of ice is dangerous
It's based off a known character that has a funny but kinda troubling story behind her.
shout out to all those who used to go into public presentation room to draw and got their shiet deleted by a rando
Right.
good times
Not this one but I do have an if that's her best friend.
I think the reason your pfp looks familiar is because I knew the creator a while back
She a little larger in overall size and VERY clumsy but quiet.
I love how everyone creates a back story for their Ava
And she takes her switch everywhere xD
Even I did it
I do it. I act like the character I've mentally created too.
I can get creepy good at it.
Oh and the character in my profile pic has a hard time coaching my OC at the gym, she keeps doing it wrong
Hence why her upper body is muscular but her lower body is way out of place xD
Chicken legs?
Oh nooo complete opposite lol
I actually want food now.
Lol
@rigid crescent feed me!
Oof

🍰
🍽️
That's not Pizza...
Lol
🍕
I don't think Rubik would complain
I keep peeking over his shoulder when he's using the menu ingame, pretending to know what hes doing xD
"don't touch that button that's the sandwich button" he just turns around and goes "Qhala wtf" xD
Speaking of which now I'm really hungry sheesh.
Lol
You're a bird, go eat some worms
||maybe Rubik's worm||
Ok,I'm gunna stop now XD
Or...try to
You get ranked up for hanging out with friends in private worlds right?
could be but to rank up youre better off haning out in public worlds
Nooobidy knoooows spirit fingers
Friends+ considered public.
I mean, people that aren't your friends can join your instance without a request, so I get it.
Hey guys, just have a couple of random questions.
I'm using the Rift S so I don't have full body tracking, so is it worth getting a kinect to try to use it for that?
And also would the 360 or the One Kinect be better?
If you dont already have a kinect then dont use a kinect as fbt. Its not really worth the money imo. I spent 40€ to get a xBox One Kinect and Imo its just not worth those 40€...
Ah okay, thanks. I used to have one but sold it like 5 years ago unfortunately. I think you always have to be facing the kinect too which is annoying
Is there any other way Oculus users can have full body tracking?
there is also nolovr but the hip tracker is supposed to be for the head and has a cable so you will have an extra cable running to your pc. I think they announced to release a fbt kit where it just has 3 controllers instead of 2 + 1 head tracker but yeah. Nolo is as close to vive fbt as you can go
not to my knowledge. Those maps qre quite demanding
hey hello
is there a cross platform horror game world ?
Or yknow just vive fullbody nico
Nolo is about half the price (price for only 3 trackers)
Laughs in wasted money
I wish vr headsets werent 300 bucks
*400+
I’ve always wanted one for vr chat but they’re so expensive
paci wmr is about 300 or even less sometimes
Ye some over here are like 230 for the oculus rift
At like game stop
Little old Tennessee
The rift isnt even produced anymore
It’s not?
replaced by rift s
That was a couple years ago so
I’ve been saving up for a while now for one
I have 300 so far
Rift s is 400
I think you can get a wmr for that, but if you want something better save up a bit more and then get the rift s
I’m getting 500 bucks from family soon so I’ll get a better graphics card and a headset
And if you want fullbody, thats additional 700
Damn
yeah vr is still pretty new tech even though it has been out for multiple years
Worth it
Ye desktop mode sucks
it also makes you feel like youre actually in vrchat and everything is 3D
I wish they would make more options to do stuff
As long as I can move my hands I’m Gucci
That reminds me
Time to boost
I still have 78 emote slots on my server


Oh no someone begging for attention
Hi 
@crystal fossil ram limit can be done PC side, no need for an unknown client, the particle stuff is exactly what vrchat now has as an option (still not by default in-game what is dumb), anti avatar stealing is an avatar thing that kinda bricked the avatar but that worked limited time sadly, shader crashing is rare now as barely anyone has them whitelisted anyway.
Won't hear me deny that 2 years ago that stuff was totally needed and was not an option I game at all. But most are now beside the ram but that's also I. Part because of how worlds and avatars get cached (too long).
Also you didn't insult me so it's all fine
I'm an grumpy too straight forward with things guy myself and you just did the same back. So DW about it.
I miss that "secret" video cache that would just take up a hundred gigs
it hid itself inside the Windows folder somewhere
for me and a most people i knew it'd never dump itself while another friend's never exceeded a few hundred MB lol
Did they change in the upcoming beta how long stuff gets chached? Because I know in the past like the last 3 world's kept there files every session ..
I dunno, I've got stupid fast internet so I don't notice much load time for things to begin with
Nono I meant like ram and cache being stupidly large
Not downloading speeds
i think im almost false banned by making 2 cherries ;-;
and i oops on the line
and people think its a thing i wont even say
idk
who knows
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Chatmods are not staff so they can't help with that
You will need to record them for proof and report them #moderation-reports
yes, that. here's the email moderation@vrchat.com
Don't they need to use that ticket system now?
yeah, use the ticket system
Does vrchat do IP bans?
Because like, what's stopping a dude like that from just making a new account
They usualy change mac and hardware id if they keep comming back
and vrc does mac address ban if i am right
just VPN and new account, 9/10 times bans are worthless. All about that 10th time tho
they usualy give you a mac address ban tho ^^ so vpn is not doing much
^_^
@vocal shard The modded clients (and SDK) spoof your Mac address, AFAIK.
This is why the malicious players in overwatch are down by alot, because when you get your account banned you have to buy the game...again.
I'm not saying putting a price is a good idea for VRC but if this charade keeps up...
eh, they'd have too much trouble with that
Laughs in CS:GO
Do you guys think upgrading my ram from 8gb to 16gb will help the performance of VRchat?
my game is stuttering a lot when there is a lot of people, I am upgrading my cpu sometime next year to finally get rid of all lag hopefully
asumming he's running on 8 gig single channel are ya? he might be using a 2x4gb setup for all i know
buying two 8gb sticks isn't really cheap.
sorry to derail but have you guys had trouble getting on discord?
is it still viable to use ddr3 in 2019?
@vocal shard https://status.discordapp.com/incidents/j4tqwdq910nb its struggling yea
@vocal shard it's a laptop, so i don't really know 😦
ah ok
@tame berry Just rebooting your router should get you a new IP, as long as your ISP doesn't issue semi-fixed long-lease IPs. Keep in mind that it doesn't matter how good your router is, DDoS work by saturating your connection, you can't negate it yourself, it has to be blocked by your upstream provider, which isn't really a thing on residential internet connections.
it only supports up to ddr4 2400mhz
what is the make/model of your laptop?
more than that will just be a waste of money
@tranquil panther Even if it doesn't support overclocking, it may support XMP profiles, I'd check for that as it'll let you use higher speeds.
Oh, yeah. I'd kill for that. I'm on an unstable 20/4 right now and literally cannot buy anything better.
Just a headsup the ddos stuff will be solved next update as the 2018 unity version gets the new steam networking thats actually safe
so buying the protection for that is well- dunno silly id guess
Ow then its worth
I'm just curious because I've been getting affected suddenly by seethrough avatars and even in some cases particles that can be seen through walls in different worlds ever since about 2 days ago. Was there any sort of mini-update / hotfix?
It seems to only happen in VR and not Desktop and I could try and take some pictures later if nobody else is having the issue and it's just on my side for some reason
I'm aware that Cubed is soon to be completely unsupported by the new Unity but it shouldn't have already taken effect, right?
shaders suddenly seem to work ok? maybe an open beta update
@rigid crescent There was a new beta with a new unity version yesterday that should have solved most shaders in
oh thats why. my arktoon suddenly looked fine today
They got unitys help again for old content which is epic
Synqark did a final update anyway that was working in 2018 before the fix
Sadly it aint an LTS version-
Yet 😉
Im ready to wait another two months :pog:
2020 baybee
Don't wanna jinx myself but damn I'm really gonna be living in 2020
Lmao 😂
I'll be good again before 2020. Hype.
2020 ayy yuh
Cant believe the year is almost over again
Same
Another decade gone
wonder what world ending apocalypse is gonna happen this time 
Hasn't been on in a while actually
i know lmao, i kinda like the look of those films
Still remember everyone getting fussy about 2012
Yup
b-but muh mayan calendar said
Apparently there was this one in america too which is pretty entertaining https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QynNpzqYt0Y
lmao
oh lmao, i think they tried to push it off into 2012 too or something
I imagine I'll pass december 31 in VRChat 
This video is a lot more entertaining than the fear mongering of 2012
Imagine predicting the end of the world a few times and getting it wrong and still keeping credibility to do it again 
yea lmao, so 2012 doubled up on the end of the world
just when one apocalypse wasnt enough
Damn
Well I can't be on all night because I actually gotta pick up some people who are gonna drink that day
Ill be home alone for a few days
Designated drunk driver 
Basically yes
I'm gonna be up anyways and I so happen to have a car and like driving :x
I've celebrated new years in vrc last year when I lived alone and in university
Some people in my group like to get drunk and hog all the attention tho
And it gets pretty boring
Ill surround myself with my friends for new years instead of sitting in a corner on my phone at my parents friends
I'll be in Washington DC for new year's
Spent last new year's in VR, was epic
So if anyone needs company on that day hmu
@molten gale I'll try to be there but probs gonna be in desktop mode since I know that I'll have to leave at one point
Because ill have that headset on for at least a day
So gotta keep an eye on my phone
With a few breaks for food and taking care of myself and my cats
Ill postem in my server
😺 ok
I'll be with my family for the first time in a few years I think. Setting up a big table in the middle of my playspace 
I tried to log in and it doesnt even load
Im using an Oculus Rift S for it x.x
Yeah, VRchat right now is having major problems and im not able to log in or load anything whatsoever
right when I wanted to go and play for a bit
how is the quest as a headset assuming i'm using it through a link cable to my PC
standalone vr sounds nice but idk
Is your pc above the minium VR specs?
rift s is better than quest with link
Does it have a proper dedicated data 3.2 port?
yeah i've been using the rift cv1 for a while now
and no idea what that is
usb 3.2?
Yea but quest + link should take more then just a normal pcvr headset
1070ti, i3-6100
You know 3.0 them blue boys?
You got internal versions for that with extra speed and more power
i have one on the back that's like teal, which i remember was usb 3.1
the others are just blue or grey for 3.0 and 2.0 respectively
the i3 is a bad partner with the 1070ti
it is
i plan on upgrading to a 6700k at some point but even now it's a pretty pricy processor
for me at least
you should go for a 9600k instead
that would mean i would have to buy a new motherboard
and?
thats expensive
but still extra cost
the processors for those motherboards are expensive..
i don't think the generational improvements between skylake and whatever it is now are worth it for my purposes, just something that can drive VR is fine
if i ever do a new build it will likely be ryzen
native 6cores ves 4cores with hyper threads is however
I'm really new to this, can someone come on vrchat with me?
are there any performance differences between logical processors and physical?
absolutely
i didn't think there was but i could be wrong
it's not as easy as saying half the performance of a real core.
benefit heavily depends on the work task
but it's definitely less
espically when the "Mother" core is busy
Logical cores literally don't exist, they're just a queue for the physical cores.
@faint skiff Oof
The idea being, if the processor is given more crap at once to handle, it can better judge how to deal with the data, what to store in L1/2/3 cache, etc.
Modded client that spoof mac address
changing the mac address isnt that illigal anyways?
thats convenient
No, changing your Mac address isn't illegal, lol.
they not only ban people with mac ban tho
Why would it ever be illegal lmao
Not like thats hard to spoof
Which is also spoofable.
Yea
Ban avoiding is also illegal
Yea
Dont see the fbi busting down doors for it
They are to scared running into a naked dude in vr 😂
Also the most illegal thing with the HWID changes is breaking a TOS or EULA lol
Which means it's a breach of ToS or EULA, not illegal.
Is there a way to see how many people favoreted my avatar?
No.
No
🤔
Hey what’s up everyone
Working sadly
Oh ok
There is a massive RP scene on vrchat i knew literally zero about.
i just got banned for game moderation even tho i wasn't doing anything my lobby was glitched and i was on my own....
Have you tried restarting the game to see if you are actually banned?
do i ask for support or moderation in category?
moderation
thanks for the help 🙂
Er, is the meetup on this week?
Also why can't I find the community meetup Discord anyway?
Everyone I should be joining off is in private and rejecting requests.
Nevermind, everyone was just late.
could I get some opinions about the vive cosmos?
not good enough to be worth investing your money in. Either get something else or wait until they fixed all the tracking issues
the og vive is sold out
an am too poor to buy it outright, either that or do it in payments
If you really want a vive you can go look on ebay for a second hand vive
what's a price to look out for?
I'd say 300€ or US$ but it could go up to 400
that's with or without shipping?
Without shipping but it depends on the offer. (If its below 300 then its with shipping)
Anyone atb the neet getting a grey screen?
@abstract girder if you want to look into cheaper headsets look into wmr
aren't those just the headsets?
Why would you need anything other than the headset
Someone's trying to sell their vrchat account to me.
Weird. What would even be the point of buying ome
How do i become a user? Im still new user
It's kind of this thing where I feel like I should warn the mods but I also don't want to get kicked for mentioning them?
Oh that works too, I guess
they’re just chat mods they don’t have anything to do with the moderation side of stuff, just patrols 
Spaceman is correct.
go to #moderation-reports @rigid lagoon
Sowwy \o/
no it’s okay 
It's okay, I forgive you. Have a headpat. 

Me is learning how to do particles
pls

Have a good slep o/
wish i could sleep

Big Snake
how does the odyssey + work with steam vr and VRC for anyone here?
It works well
You need to make sure you download "Windows Mixed Reality for Steamvr" from the steam store
I like the Odyssey+. It still has one of my favorite Visuals I've used
i pulled the trigger and bought it
Nice
welcome to the club 
thanks
besides getting wmr for steamvr do I need to know anything else? @vocal shard
Not really.
For the Odyssey+, it's highly recommend to get the VRCover face pad. The default one is really bad
that's like what? 5 bucks?
does anyone know how to set up nolo full body, with ur oculus quest to ur pc. cause for my oculus quest i use alvr. but im confused about how to set up nolo vr
Didn’t know the Quest could link to other sensors besides haptics
SteamVR allows you to mix some tracking systems. It's not native to quest without the Oculus link or similar
ALVR is that sideload wireless thing, so they got that
so is it a bug to get instantly kicked from a seperate instance of the same world by the same person if they arent in said instance, because i just got kicked out of a room of the rain instance for no reason even though i was going to leave anyway, and i join my friends and the same person kicks me again and they arent even in that instance and now im locked out of the room of the rain
I can’t wait for hand tracking
Don't get too hyped for the hand Tracking. Most who used it said it's more of a proof of concept rather than being accurate enough to replace controllers
Is there a discord staff I could talk to my user in VRChat is Bradash?
So is there a way to use my Vive wands with my quest for leg tracking?
It's best to use a ticket to reach staff.
http://help.vrchat.com/new
@light sundial yes, it's a bit of settup. I've never done it so I can't help much
most of all my avatars where privated and some deleted so I'm just wonder what i'm allowed and not allowed to do
I see. It's still best to talk to them directly through the ticket or email.
The VRChat team doesn't talk here much, and the chat mods are just volunteer discord members, so we don't know much about things like that
oh ok
I've tried the hand tracking-- I wouldn't call it a proof of concept, and I tried it a few months ago 😛
There's definite challenges to it though, people still rely a ton of the features of a physical controller. Locomoting, accessing menus, etc are all pretty tough when you don't have physical buttons and joysticks to mess with. Solvable problems, probably, but not without designing an entirely new interface and UI for them
It would still pair nice with eye tracking for future setups
I don't know where I lie in that spectrum. 🤔
probably the and
lmao
Menu useage is actually more enjoyable with hand tracking then controllers imo
Gets you some neat feedback and options that normal controllers can also do but more sluggish
Locomotion is a big joke with just hand tracking what makes it useless in almost all cases
But haptics.
probably better for art-stuff
And slapping hand tracking into existing is a joke
who wanna play
Amazing.
Hey, were is the API stuff? If...I can ask that..?
It's probably under development
Blep
But I'm not too sure what types of api VR has
You're thinking of doing VR development?
@wispy lava Nice
I heard from a friend of me that their (this discord) is were they got their stuff for find avatars and words that have stuff I'm trying to find like...if I'm trying to find a mmd avatar and that avatar is from a anime
like that
type in the name of the character and mmd in google and youd find something, depending on how popular that character was
if youre looking for a model 
ah
is anyone here in the know about the development of OpenHMD?
would love to use my rift cv1 on fedora, however they haven't gotten positional tracking working yet
https://github.com/OpenHMD/OpenHMD/issues/189
it looks like they're on the cusp of something great

im still having issues with VRC not able to load into worlds or load friend list or avatars but yet some people are fine
@vocal shard that's more of a topic for #general-media
help. плез, сдохну без виара.
anyone know how to fix loading screen ? im stuck at 100% i tried alot of solutions already
Halp. Which do I pick? https://i.imgur.com/AYgfnTs.png :c
Winter coat colour indecision.
Just make it easy and use a rainbow shader. 
Lol. Ah of course. xD
Can put some emission on the white stripes, and rimlight on the fur trim too.











