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#vrchat-general-2
wintry iron
umbral reef
Tried to microwave firework yet?
I heard firework is perfect at expelling ghosts so
wintry iron
so u gonna help me?
rough pulsar
Just need to go grab some holy water and reheat some pizza with it, should clear it out.
vocal shard
As an added bonus, the pizza will cure you of The Plague.
Imbued with the Holy Spirit.
rough pulsar
Pineapple on pizza is fine too
shell zinc
pineapple mayonnaise pizza les go
wintry iron
wait dip it in milk
umbral reef
Im calling the food cops ☎️
wintry iron
thats sure to expel the spirit
vocal shard
Or pineapple AND mayo?
ruby needle
we're definitely in the wrong channel for a food discussion 
shell zinc
there's food in vrchat so it counts
vocal shard
Thought we were discussing ghost expulsion?
umbral reef
Pretty sure we where planning an event to summon demons in vrc
wintry iron
yeah this all started bc i needed sacrifices for a ritual
vocal shard
Oh, yeah. Who ya summoning?
vocal shard
Also now that I think about it, what doesn't count as VRChat related?
wintry iron
maybe satan
vocal shard
A game with literal walking sticks of butter.
Speaking of which I want my own custom butter Stick Avatar.
wintry iron
k
vocal shard
I'm a Solo Gamer UwU
wintry iron
u could be a sacrifice if u want to
wintry iron
u could be the demons host
vocal shard
🤔
wintry iron
pls ive been studying the ritual i tried it by myself but it didnt work
vocal shard
But I gotta beat my high scores in Beat saber 🤔
wintry iron
please?
vocal shard
Is there a chance I can share link of a vrchat video
The last part made me so upset
I have to share it!
wintry iron
u can dm me it
stark path
hi
wintry iron
wanna be in my vrchat ritual
stark path
?
stark path
um, well thats new, and i dont like being sacreficed so yah... plus joined the community yesterday, discord today
wintry iron
o ok
stark path
tbh a person told me i could ask for help here xD idk where though
vocal shard
Depends what you need help with
wintry iron
i need sacrifices someone to be the demons host and people to form the circle of sacrifice
vocal shard
Below in the develpment channels, you can ask for help with the different categories
wintry iron
or we can do a banzai charge
vocal shard
Zetta, probably time to give it a rest
craggy aurora
So, @vocal shard, I wanted to ask: What WMR do you use?
vocal shard
I use a Lenovo explorer. My brother owns a Samsung Odyssey+. I used to have the old HP, but that was returned for the Lenovo
So I have experience with those ones. Also the acer
Is it possible to use different controllers with a WMR HMD?
craggy aurora
I’m skeptical about using a Lenovo, but I hear it’s worth well over it’s price
Build quality is a major concern
vocal shard
The Samsung is great, I'm just not a fan of the touchpad.
Yes, but you need Vive/index Lighthouses, along with Vive wands or index controllers if you want different controllers than wmr
Ah, can you buy the index controllers alone?
Yeah
craggy aurora
Do you have any issues with backlight bleed on any of the LCD headsets?
vocal shard
@craggy aurora the Lenovo has lasted the best imo. It's one of the most recommended of the wmr other than Samsung
craggy aurora
Huh.
faint skiff
@craggy aurora Bleed? No.
craggy aurora
I wish I could get it on the deal, but my check doesn’t come in until the second.
vocal shard
No. Backlight is exaggerated in my opinion. I used to have a rift, and a briefly a quest. While the OLED has darker blacks, the sharper screen is more immersive in my personal opinion. LCD isn't true black, but it's still dark
It may still be on discount till then.
craggy aurora
$224 is an amazing price
vocal shard
Mhm.
vocal shard
I think the 250 is just it's new price, actually.
I'm probably going to buy a Rift S tomorrow though
craggy aurora
For the Oddysey+?
vocal shard
Mhm.
craggy aurora
Not just the Oddysey?
vocal shard
Yeah the Odyssey has dropped in price
craggy aurora
YES
vocal shard
Given they sell it at Microsoft Stores, I think they have the ability to sell at a loss
lol.
Yeah I'd absolutely recommend it
Until I get a Vive, I'm sticking with this bad boy.
The Odyssey+ still has my favorite screen so far
^
It's SO nice. No SDE whatsoever.
I just... Can't go back to a Vive or rift screen >~<
craggy aurora
I’m excited, because at such a deal I could get an art tablet, Half-Life: Alyx, and a phone on my original VR budget
vocal shard
If I could keep this HMD but use index controllers and tracker, I'd be happy UwU
Awesome
You can, it's just a bit of settup and extra cost
Also, side note, the headphones on the Samsung are SHOCKINGLY nice.
Like, REALLY nice.
wintry iron
anyone wanna play vrchat with me
craggy aurora
They’re AKG branded, and I haven’t heard flak, so it seems apt
vocal shard
Though given Samsung headphones are AKG tuned, it's to be expected.
Valve sells the index headset, controllers, and Lighthouses all individualy if you only want part of it
I just didn't expect this nice of sound from some open ear floating headphones.
stark path
crashed
craggy aurora
Ooooo
but is it possible to sync up movement with the controllers and a WMR HMD?
wide cove
can confirm, samsung headset headphones are very nais
vocal shard
Yeah, I'm sure it's not plug and play, but is it at least painless?
craggy aurora
This ^
wintry iron
does anyone want to play vrchat?
vocal shard
You need index controllers, lighthouses, and steam controller dongles for the controllers to connect. Then in steamvr you can use an auto calibration tool to sync the playspace
stark path
question xD
wintry iron
not to do the ritual just in genreal
vocal shard
That's how wmr and rift have been using Vive trackers for a while
craggy aurora
That’s amazing
vocal shard
Interesting.
wintry iron
desktop mode gang bc im broke
vocal shard
I expected more friction honestly.
craggy aurora
What ever happened to PSVR getting VRChat?
faint skiff
That was never a thing?
stark path
does anybody know how to make a custom model by chance
vocal shard
You used to need to sync it manually
I guess since VR is still pretty new, they're just happy to have people buy in at all, regardless of headset.
All the better, I say.
craggy aurora
I heard people discussing the idea a long time back, and I could’ve sworn in an FAQ they said they’d like to add it in support
vocal shard
I'd think it be weird considering PS4 is at the end of it's life cycle.
craggy aurora
It is, but that’s the thing
craggy aurora
Microsoft got scared because of the backlash of the Kinect
vocal shard
I know. The frustrating thing is as a piece of hardware the Kinect was WONDERFUL.
But the sold it as the wrong thing.
craggy aurora
I’m going to be using my Kinect 360 as a Full Body Tracking system
craggy aurora
I hear that too
vocal shard
At least not the V1 Kinect.
vocal shard
Some say V3 kinect works perfectly, but I've never seen it in action.
craggy aurora
V3?
craggy aurora
WHAT?!
vocal shard
It's soley a Dev Kit.
craggy aurora
There’s a THIRD ONE?!?
ruby needle
the price however better be much lower then the dev kit
i also wonder why no one looked into realsense cameras yet.
Basically allready a better kinect and made for pc's
craggy aurora
Fair
faint skiff
It needs a high end GPU to run it and basically stresses your PC a load, so there is that overhead issue to consider.
craggy aurora
The RealSense, or the Kinect?
vocal shard
The Kinect.
They do say it requires some decent horsepower to run.
And at 399, you'd be better getting a Index.
Then trying to get a Kinect and WMR working.
craggy aurora
Yeah
True.
Still, Microsoft could kick ass in the console vr market if they dipped their feet in the water
vocal shard
Oh def.
vocal shard
Microsoft has the Manpower to absolutely crush it.
They just, ya know, need to attempt.
craggy aurora
They could’ve done it with the One S, as well
Which is saying a lot
Considering it’s $150
So sad, considering their status
They could’ve probably put VRChat on it as well
Because Microsoft, unlike Sony, actually would.
vocal shard
Mhm.
wide cove
could the one S even handle typical PC VR graphics?
grand grove
@wide cove ask me what im doing
wide cove
no
grand grove
oh shit nvm you cant upload pics here nvm
@wide cove go to random chat so i can do the joke please
wide cove
ok
vocal shard
who's the owner or admins of vrc traders server? i got banned from there over a year ago for no reason at all and i want to get in contact with then to know why i got banned and to unban me.
vocal shard
i hate my life lol
everytime i speak german (not with fault) someguys block or insult me ._.
why does so many guys need to hate me because im german ._.
shut tinsel
anybody know if there is a league of legends avatar room?
preferably one with Ezreal
storm matrix
any one wana play a horror map with a easy to scare person?
visual birch
Quick Question, anyone know when VRChat would push to Unity 2018?
visual birch
trail bane
man after 4 whole days of work my Core of Light Replica is Finally Complete
lunar cedar
@vocal shard It works well. If you add me in game I can show what it does well and what it doesn't. @ruby needle Time-of-flight is considerably higher quality than stereoscopy depth (the realsense).
And yes, it does require a fair bit of power to run. It uses around 512 CUDA cores and a one core of an i7-6700k. There is a CPU only mode that I haven't tried that may be advantageous to Ryzen owners, but I am not one and my GPU is a GTX 1080 so it handles the workload well.
mellow crater
can anyone gimme tips for vrchat avatars? cos there is one with a model over a gesture but I cannot fix the texture although I can fix the main avatars textures.
avatar's*
rigid crescent
Every day more reasons this shouldn't be a front page server lol
faint skiff
Cruisin pubs tonigt with very poor hidden and its perf robot city, geez.
Its like being a quest user.
frosty veldt
Its so easy to hit very poor I dont blame a lot of people, especially with stuff hidden
faint skiff
99% of them are 60 mesh 80 mat people
frosty veldt
Yeah but what is hidden? I understand that heavy avatars shouldnt be used in populated public instances but if you have something happen on every gesture things can add up
I used to love judging people based on the performance ranking since it read what they were on idle but now the system means nothing since hidden stuff counts
faint skiff
No idea, but performance is bad enough, im going to err on the side of caution
frosty veldt
Of for sure, the system is there to help with lag and the reason they count hidden stuff is for 'worst case'. Just a lot of people assume the worst instead of thinking about the hidden stuff.
warped thorn
True. I just ignore the robots.
indigo fern
then again, even with robots around it lags
warped thorn
Seems pretty smooth to me when I block out 
from appearing.
indigo fern
are you blocking them or just auto hiding
lunar cedar
For me, very poor blocking is the difference between 45 and 80 in a rotr.
indigo fern
oh yea lmao, the small rooms where it always shows everyone is different
lunar cedar
Though I've found it's usually one or two of the dozen very poors that are causing all the lag sadly
warped thorn
Performance blocking. That is, they look like robots.
rigid crescent
that's why its smoothbrain to block all by default when most of them aren't even affecting you, especially when its things hidden behind animations you probably can't even see due to having them off
indigo fern
mic coming in with the most wrinkled brain in the server
rigid crescent
🧠
lunar cedar
So... I'm supposed to hide that one prick's avatar after I'm down to 15 fps from them and can't open my menu to do it? Nty
faint skiff
Yeah, the fact you cant select people below 20fps is amusing in a terrible way
meager solstice
I mean u could enter safe mode
At that point block the guys model... than undo the safe mode
@faint skiff @lunar cedar
It’s not the ideal way to do it but that’s how I would do it
faint skiff
That implies you even know who specifalyy is the issue
also resetting safrty is annoying
lunar cedar
Significantly easier to just manually show avatars with very poor blocked by default
rigid crescent
Turn your head? If you're at 15FPS facing every single direction youve got more problems lol
and probably have a mirror on
lunar cedar
So their bounds at some obscene size is my problem? You seem to assume the best case scenario of a very poor avatar. It's never that.
meager solstice
from my experience its never just 1 model
its usually a group of people with very poor models
so yes blocking all very poor models.... would be the best solution
atleast from my experience
lethal wedge
can someone hook me up with good full body tracking a link to it i dont know if any of the other ones are good or bad (i just started getting into vr and stuff like that)
rigid crescent
if you have a vive or index this is all you need
also I can't say I've ever been in a situation where not looking at the person (or people) doesn't solve my issue, sometimes i might need to scroll through a few people but turning away from the "problem area" is all it ever takes
faint skiff
Amazon's often not the best place to buy them as they're more expensive than other places, weirdly enough.
restive furnace
question: is harassment a reportable behavior?
molten gale
Yes
rigid crescent
yup, hard to prove though usually. still reportable tho https://help.vrchat.com/new
upper zenith
Hey im new to vrchat and i was just wondering how long it will take before im able to upload my own vrchat avatar right now i have 21 hours in the game
ping if you answer me
frosty veldt
@upper zenith
Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be 20-40 hours, but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam or oculus account and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/27-why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
upper zenith
okay thank you its just ive heard many different answers from many people
frosty veldt
Yeah because there are a lot of different answers, everyone goes off their specific time that it happened buts its practically random
vocal shard
im still up and bored anyone wanna hop on
sleek thicket
does anyone know the passcode to the keypad in PAROsync's Beat Saber world? @ me if u know it pls 🙂
fast bronze
fervent creek
Hey guys. What unity version is VRChat currently using?
ruby needle
2017.4.28f1
weary zenith
I just finished my first custom avatar on unity but It's telling me that it's not allowed for me to publish
How can I get the access to publish?
rigid crescent
what else does the message say
weary zenith
Before you can upload avatars or worlds to VRChat, you'll need to spend more time enjoying the app. We do this for security reasons, and so you can learn more about us. When you get the ability to upload, we will notify you via email and in VRChat. For now, you can Jearn and test on your own device. To get started, check out the resources below. Thank you for your patience, we can't wait to see what you'll build!
That's the whole message
umbral reef
Id dare to take a good guess and say that you need to spend more time enjoying the app to get acess
weary zenith
I'm playing from 2 weeks (64 hours of playing )
umbral reef
AFKing and being locked up into a private room does not count. Its a social system so gotta be social
weary zenith
Oh k thx
hollow sluice
- you NEED a vrcaccount. You cant rank up a steam account
umbral reef
You can rank up but it wont be usefull as you cant use it
rigid crescent
may just be me but invites seem scuffed rn
smoky sun
Question for any Oculus users who switched to the S: anything I should know before getting one? Did your Vrchat experience change in any way?
fluid bloom
We hit 100k members wohooo
🎊
@smoky sun rift s is defenitely better
When it comes to the vrchat experience it realky just depends on what you actually experience
rigid crescent
🤢 alright lets see a purge now
rigid crescent
Purge as in the server setting purge lol
rigid crescent
oh its Prune
fluid bloom
nah just
100k?
k
smoky sun
I guess I just mean, any problems with gestures, do worlds looks different? That kind of stuff. I heard the refresh rate is a bit lower.
rigid crescent
I mean less than 1% of those 100k are active, not as if its a cause for celebration to have a bunch of people who have never typed join a discord lol
fluid bloom
Oh @smoky sun
the rate is lower yes but its not noticable for me atleast
Worlds and stuff should look same or better not sure on that but rift s is newer so i'd expect it to
when it comes to gestures tho the controllers are a bit of a problem
If you have a gesture set to your thumbstick you cant move around without triggering them or you have to do another one that blocks it out
its really complicated xD but you get used to it
does have some decet hand tracking for pointing thumbsup up middle finger and stuff tho but that also triggers gestures
smoky sun
Alright, thanks for the info.
pseudo basalt
Well people do sit in here to complain when the game isn't working see the latest announcements and server status
And that's a thing with most official discords, altho it's nice that discord offers a way to follow announcement channels now
rigid crescent
yeah the server does serve its purpose
pseudo basalt
Also don't forget the people who all come out of the woodwork to type !online
rigid crescent
i group those with the ones that complain the game isnt working since that's likely what theyre checking
pastel ice
shut tinsel
yall
my rift s got here, i has question
ik one wire goes into my pc, but what about the second?
snow wadi
...did you double check your PC specs before getting it?
shut tinsel
does it go in the back? either way it doesnt matter, cuz im getting a new pc soon]
i dont mind waiting
snow wadi
Yeah I would double check and make sure you can even RUN VR before plugging anything in.
shut tinsel
which socket does it go in in the back, while im waiting for the app to install?
the one that connects my pc to my tv?
snow wadi
TV?
snow wadi
Before anything can you give me your specs?
shut tinsel
i...dont know where to look for those
OH WAIT i think i did a VR check the other day
i remember the only non-green result was my current graphics driver
snow wadi
What gpu card do you have?
vocal shard
good morning (1pm)
warm mortar
does Vive cosmos works with vrchat?
rough pulsar
Any SteamVR Compatible HMD should work with VRChat
hollow sluice
@warm mortar it works with vrchst but the cosmos doesnt work in general
warm mortar
people told me it's like quest.
hollow sluice
no lol
the cosmos is a pc headset so the game works on it just like any other pc headset (index, vive, rift S ...)
but the cosmos itself is a terrible headset
its more expensive than a Rift S and has worse tracking and worse controllers.
vocal shard
lol
ruby needle
vive is old tech tho 
unless you have a specific reason you might wanna chose on of the other options.
hollow sluice
yeah. Unless youre REALLY want full body and youre on a budget than I see no other reason to get a the htc vive
ruby needle
Even if you want FBT only get a vive if you can absolutely not get an index with a bit of waiting/work, and if you are fine with one of the lower fidelity headsets and controllers. Plus having old used gear that might breakt at any time and is allready outdated by Gen 2.0 stuff.
IMO starting with a different HMD like a Rift S or WMR and then addion 2 2.0 lighthosues and then some trackers having a hacked solution that you then upgrade with knuckles and a index HMD later when you can resell the other HMD is a much better and reliable upgrade path.
hollow sluice
its sad that the cosmos could have been the answer to this. A budget headset thats upgradable with base stations and full body.
ruby needle
"""""budget"""""
hollow sluice
oh yeah well it all started going down hill
I originally thought it would be the same price as the rift S
ruby needle
at current cosmos price it's not even agreat update choice if you do plan on FBT
cus if you add 2 basestations that you would want to have you are at INDEX price
just with that alone
hollow sluice
why does that thing exist again?
hollow sluice
not aware of that
but before I got vr I wanted to get the cosmos once it comes out
I am happy that I took the vive instead
300€ well spent
ruby needle
well, as long as it lasts and you're ok with shitty controllers and the visuals
hollow sluice
I am saving up for the knuckles now and I can hopefully keep this one in a good condition so I can sell it again
ruby needle
but when you sell it you'd need to sell it alone without the lighthouses, and that'll heavily cut the price
hollow sluice
well I never tried any other headsets before so I dont know what I am missing out with the resolution
ruby needle
i fear there is gonna be a flood of HMD only due to this kinda stuff.
hollow sluice
why without the light houses?
ruby needle
well, unless you wanna buy new 2.0 lightouses to use wiht the knuckles?
hollow sluice
the knuckles work with the old lighthouses
ruby needle
Yes... but... do you then want to buy "new" old lighthosues then?
hollow sluice
people here do
my country is pretty poor so the rift and vive are still very valid options
ruby needle
if you do sell the whole vive bundle with the lightouses dont get new old ones for the knuckles
hollow sluice
yeah I am not planning on doing that
hollow sluice
one I plan on upgrading I will keep the knuckes, sell the vive with basestations and cons and just buy the the index headset and 2 or 3 new 2.0 base stations
who knows though. maybe by than a new headset will be out
I dont want to give up the vive cons tho. not for now anyways
ruby needle
You're just generally swapping it for a index bundle again then 
rough pulsar
Or keep the vive controllers and grab one vive tracker and a pair of Steam Controller dongles and you've got FBT for vrchat.
hollow sluice
yeah essentially. just buying the index in parts instead of all at once
I have full body already
ruby needle
wand's are allready awfull in the hands. but as feet trackers?
plus the required powerbank for each
rough pulsar
You just hate everything don't you?
ruby needle
no
I hate the wands tho
And allthough it might sound like it, i dont hate the vive per say, i just hate how hard it's recommendet when the upgrade path isn't that great.
(as a "best to get now if you want to" solution i mean)
rough pulsar
Unlike basically everything else it has multiple upgrade paths.
hollow sluice
I honestly hate the vive cons
snow wadi
But the wands are truly generally rubbish.
hollow sluice
but they are way better for competitive beatsaber
ruby needle
Official ones for sure, but in the end you will pay extra or end up with less fidelity 
Thats what bothers me with that. 
rigid crescent
theyre not that bad lol
hollow sluice
the knuckles are awful for beatsaber
ruby needle
I had both in direct comparrison (CV1 Touch), and wand's are awfull imo.
I mean, if thats what you start with and you didnt have anythign else, it might not be that bad for you.
rough pulsar
The vive controllers aren't great, but the hatred some people have for them reaches the same unfounded 'hurr durr apple bad' levels.
ruby needle
prices is a whole different level even.
but that's not mattering for my deisliking of them
hollow sluice
arent the vive cons like almost the same price as knuckles?
snow wadi
My best friend had the vive at launch and when I tried them 2 years back I looked like I was about to start drumming xD
ruby needle
somewhat. @hollow sluice
hollow sluice
thats why they are good for beatsaber. they are sword shaped lol
snow wadi
Hey maybe that's what the wands were really for!
ruby needle
just thought of the same thing 😄
snow wadi
Alas the first experience was also the worst, within 1 minute of trying the undersea turtle experience it grey screened and never worked again.
ruby needle
welp...
tho, defects can happen to everyone
So unless there are specifically high defect rates of something it's unfortunate but eh.
rigid crescent
high defect rates in a a highly suggested vr kit ?
rigid crescent
rates so high that they affect nearly every user with them that ive met?
that'd be silly
hidden mortar
does anyone know a good place to get vr skins
lunar cedar
VR what?
sharp saddle
SteamVR skins or avatars?
vocal shard
"Aaargh, my skin!"
lilac swan
Unity asset store and sketchfab has both free and paid models you could use.
frank sable
Saludos
zealous merlin
is memory leaks still a issue in vrchat?
faint skiff
Doesn't seem anywhere near as bad as it used to be, if it is still an issue
worthy oracle
@zealous merlin yes
rigid nimbus
@hidden mortar did you check the maternity ward? Lotta skins there.
bronze topaz
Bring back cubed paradox shader
vocal shard
L
restive shore
@peak robin Make sure you're using a VRC account. Those level up waaaaaay faster
peak robin
I am
faint skiff
Shift or Alt as you open it
shut tinsel
windowed is so annoying, my cursor keeps sliding off the game and clicking an app
covert blade
Dat moment when I'm in an Invite world with Join Me active but it isn't mine so when someone joins me I just get a message to tell the owner to invite that person
But that would mean the owner would have to friend that person so bruh
faint skiff
Yeah, I always thought when you pressed OK on that that it would pass the invite to the world owner but it doesn't.
covert blade
Yeah, so both OK and Decline do the same thing
It passing on the Invite is how I think it should be done
But hey we're still here with Invite+ not allowing to invite people, only allows people to accept join requests
wintry iron
anyone wanna play?
shut tinsel
YALL, urgent emergency service announcement:
i require wolfboi and/or catboi avatars.
rigid crescent
just use world search
fleet raven
hey guys how do I make an animation loop in vrchat?
vocal shard
@fleet raven try in #animation
Also, anyone have an Index? (And has preferably used a Vive at some point too?)
Wondering if it has a smallper profile than the Vive (Main reason being, so I don't smash the controllers into the edges of the HMD playing Blade and Sorcery 😂 - the edge of the HMD that sticks out is just in the right place to get caught every time..)
cold grove
I’m thankful for Ugandan Knuckles dying
faint skiff
I have a Vive and an Index (and a Quest). Let me check
@vocal shard Best way to word it would be that the front curves towards you rather than away. So size wise is similar, but it's more streamlined, so if you do clonk yourself, it probably won't be as jarring.
@cold grove Yes, but now it's been replaced by the Shiba plague.
vocal shard
Ahh, so no huge lip for the controller to kinda hook onto?
white barn
im thankful for fortnite dying
faint skiff
@vocal shard Nope, which is nice.
vocal shard
Ah good
that is nice
Genuinely surprised that I've not done any serious damage to the HMD by now tbh
gloomy bobcat
yoo is it possible to change your avatar outside the game
agile hound
yea i want to know that also
mainly cuz when i changed into an avatar my game crashed and now i cant play vrchat cuz everytime i log in my game crashes
gloomy bobcat
Good im not the only one eh
agile hound
i dont know what to do
it happened to you also?
well im gonna play destiny 2 until we can get help for the game
torn nebula
@agile hound contact support at help.vrchat.com
timid yoke
I kinda wanted to start streaming, does anyone know how streamers get their chat on the game? I have an oculus rift
torn nebula
You can also try mashing ctrl-/ while you load in
Or maybe it was ctrl-, one of the two
@timid yoke OVR Toolkit is what I'd recommend
There's an older application called ovrdrop which is similar but harder to configure
Both on steam
timid yoke
alright, thanks a lot!
broken cobalt
anyone knows about entering world and loading avatars is so slow
gloomy bobcat
@torn nebula Ty fixed the problem 
jolly zealot
Do we know when the big release of 2018 unit will ship to the public eyes, as in not open beta but full release?
indigo fern
Nope
grave wren
Hey is this the place to ask an avatar question? (new so idk)
indigo fern
No official word on it yet, they did just move up a version in the beta tho
Avatar questions would be in #avatars-2-general
grave wren
i see it now, ty
zinc scaffold
Question which store that sell htc vive with fbt
analog hull
is there anyway i can download my uploaded avatars? i wanna rework on avatars that i have from 2017
vocal shard
@zinc scaffold the Vive is discontinued and not sold anymore. You can however buy pre owned refurbished vive's from the HTC website.
Vive trackers for FBT is $300 extra and can be bought on Amazon or from HTC
@analog hull no unfortunately
vocal shard
@zinc scaffold I would go for Rift S. Vrchat runs smoother on Oculus program than steam.
Anyways my friends have trouble logging in. I don't think it's fixed.
zinc scaffold
I’m currently on oculus quest
vocal shard
Nuuuu
zinc scaffold
I already own it but workimg om it as my budget is a little tight
vocal shard
Link cable 
twin fractal
Link cable 
vocal shard
Just bought some of those knuckle style straps for the touch controllers. They're supposed to come in on Tuesday, but I'm kinda excited
indigo fern
trap tuesday 💦
rigid nimbus
Idk about that one chief
twin fractal
Tuesday Newsday
vocal shard
easy deleted 9 guys out of my friend list XD
restive orbit
What fonts can be used for nicknames?
vocal shard
just use the normal font
It'll break vrc otherwise
i just deleted every Amerian guys out of my friend list, beause i never speak to them.
well if i go to sleep, they´re going online.
thats why 90% of the germans go to other german or Europen ppl
Im American
and now?
its 12pm for you XD
and its 6am for me
do you see the problem?
its a way to big time diference.
so its like imposible to talk to americans at times where i am online 🤷
Meh
I have friends all overthe eu
We deal with it
yeah but i cant stay awake every night to talk to them 🤷
slender mason
Welp! I happen to catch up well with USA ppl and EU
vocal shard
its not 7am for me
slender mason
Lol ok I see
vocal shard
@vocal shard I keep up with friends in China, Japan, and Aussie, soooo
slender mason
Those yeah...are the most doable
stark coral
so now that the box is dead what world has replaced it?
vocal shard
Anything. The box was kind of overrated.
stark coral
i mean yea but like what big open room have people migrated to
vocal shard
People generally didn't go to the box for a big gathering though. Most people thought it helped with performance
stark coral
its a box how could it be good or bad? its just a box
vocal shard
Because it's just a box. You see everyone
indigo fern
everyone is always in view, its almost the opposite of lag free
luckily thats not in the name anymore
thanks to the world reviewer strike of '19
hollow sluice
In my 4 months of playing I was in the box maybe like 3 times
stiff tree
the box used to be more popular
pseudo basalt
Been to the box like 5 times as well
What an awful map
Imagine making worlds that are mildly popular but not really and then making a literal empty box and it's the most popular map
I'd be upset
Avatar testing was also pretty popular and had a big mirror, not my favorite map either but at least it had something to look at
umbral reef
What do you mean.
The box is the peek of human creativity and engineering
indigo fern
back in its prime people used to give him money on patreon, not much but its still literally more than 0$ like it shouldve
pseudo basalt
Hey can you give me money, I actually put effort into things
Instead
It's like, obviously there's misunderstanding of what there's demand for
For you can have a big mirror in a map and a map to go along with it
Might be an alien concept, but it's true
Not to mention that it was plain misleading with it being "lag free"
rigid crescent
People who play this game were tech illiterate and assumed box with nothing= optimised
Also it originally had real time lighting
pseudo basalt
I have a memory of the box where I joined a friend, don't remember who but I think I didn't know them very well because the instance was filled with people I didn't know. People who would complain about vrchat devs being shit and the game being really laggy
rigid crescent
For using such advanced technology a lot of VR users seem to be totally inept on anything tech related
pseudo basalt
I was just sitting there not moving and just thinking to myself how unpleasant this is
Sat there for half an hour contemplating it
Altho it was unity 
so it's understandable to some extent
rigid crescent
Not expecting Steven Hawking's level big brain, but they don't even know what causes them to lag past "uhhh particles and shaders"
pseudo basalt
To be fair the game had issues but a crowd of 10 people in front of a huge mirror that reflects everything
rigid crescent
None even consider that maybe rendering an ENTIRE MAP of people st all times might be contributing to their lag
pseudo basalt
vrchat devs are pretty incompetent am I right
rigid crescent
Totally their fault
snow wadi
pseudo basalt
That said, at some point popularity snowballs because the map is always at the top of active maps
Regardless of what map it is
rigid crescent
"Why you're lagging" video would've been nice a year ago but now people are too set in their ways through rumors and shit they've heard to believe the truth
pseudo basalt
It's gotten a lot better now anyway
rigid crescent
Same with"why you should optimize" some time BEFORE the big November push
pseudo basalt
Both because of optimized maps, avatars and engine upgrades
Also the fact that you can hide very poor avatars in public
rigid crescent
I genuinely believe we'd be in a much better place now if they tried to inform users of "the right way" a lot sooner
I'm talking summer 2018
Tupper had an old 2017 vrcats article about it. Thats about it. No one post-boom that wasn't looking for said info even read that
quartz osprey
basically all dev communication is bad regarding what is going on and what is being looked into
even intern it seems no member of the team knows what another is working on
snow wadi
rigid crescent
I believe they're partially to blame
The community shares the blame for believing any rumor and anecdotal evidence that pops up, like "I don't lag with this bad avatar so it must be fine"
But if we had proper info that was relevant to the issues at the time I believe we'd be in a better place
quartz osprey
hehe even the default avatars from the hub can lag me sometimes in some worlds
yay max rtx reflection on every surface and full rendering mirrors on 10 walls
rigid crescent
The push for optimization didn't happen until about November 2018. By that time everyone was already waaay set in their ways
I didn't know DB was an issue until meeting Tupper and someone else ingame that scanned my avatar and were like "uhhh why do you have so many DB transforms"
quartz osprey
yea ... so many already suggest the use of vrm’s springbone system and other VR optimized alternatives (all already compatible since unity 5.6
and the vrm one is even free
rigid crescent
Now we're trapped in this thousands of collision hell. It's nice to finally have tools to prevent these things, but if everyone had been given on all this info with proof, like the unity profiler or even an ingame profiler if they've got one dev-side, the issues up til now would've probably been way, way less extreme
pseudo basalt
Lots of people still don't care because they want their avatars to be more dynamic
quartz osprey
biggest lag cause for me is the audio spatialization currently ... moment 10 audio sources are active or getting buffered my frames dip from 90 to 25-30 (from voice and video players/audio objects)
pseudo basalt
It's understandable, and there's not much you can do
This one's on the devs to provide a better solution to DBones
rigid crescent
some dont care, most don't know better
at least that's the benefit of the doubt i give people
or they're misinformed because i mean, who's there to tell them different besides other idiots
as long as a majority of players are using public avatars and "imports", i just assume that they don't know anything about avatars or optimization whatsoever past some surface level stuff
pseudo basalt
I have friends who don't care because optimised avatars are too limiting
Mostly dynamic bones
I use public avatars a lot lately as well and most are at least poor
It's unfortunate but once you start piling stuff up it becomes unoptimized
covert blade
Boop
Optimizing =/= 
I think people just see that their avatar is and wont even bother optimizing anything because they think it's useless because it'll stay for some other stat
pseudo basalt
Meshes and materials is fairly easy and doable
But dbones will still screw up your rating
covert blade
Even then it's better than not doing anything at all
pseudo basalt
Not to mention that apparently meshes with lots of verts and active shape keys lag more than multiple meshes?
covert blade
But I guess they just see that their rating stays and assume it doesnt do anything
pseudo basalt
It really doesn't matter if you hang out with 1 other person in the room
covert blade
But people dont even fix their mat counts 🤷
pseudo basalt
But otherwise it does and people just don't care because it's limiting
covert blade
Optimizing =/= good rating
pseudo basalt
There really isn't a point in optimizing from very poor to very poor or poor for most people
Because there is no awful avatar rank
hollow sluice
Than whats the point of optimizing? People will still blcok you hecause of your rating and it wont be quest compatible. Its just a waste of time
covert blade
If it's just Dbones then just Dbones will be disabled
Y'all base it entirely on the rating
pseudo basalt
Usual crutch is materials
covert blade
And mats are easy to fix and it does help
hollow sluice
Because the game works off of that rating lol
pseudo basalt
But once you start adding mesh renderers, trail renderers and bones
Well, rip that rating
hollow sluice
Mats are not that simple to fix
hollow sluice
It takes time to manually atlas
pseudo basalt
If you at all care about public interactions then the rating plain and simply says "optimize or nobody will see your avatar", it's allowed to have a very poor avatar but socially discouraged
But if you hang out with friends only then good luck getting them to optimize
hollow sluice
How do you atlas in 5 minutes. Please show me
I want to see 20 mats atlassed in to one mat
covert blade
Look up Shanie's video on it
hollow sluice
I hope we arent talking about cats atlasing
pseudo basalt
Why would you atlas 20 into one
If you have that many you probably want different settings, you need at least 3
hollow sluice
Because they can fit in to a single 4k texture
pseudo basalt
Skin, clothes and eyes/expressions at the very least
hollow sluice
If you do it manually
pseudo basalt
Atlasing textures and combining materials is different
You can have one texture for everything but more materials
hollow sluice
I know. But the difficult part about atlassing for me is adjusting the uvmaps. That takes ages of you dont want seams
pseudo basalt
Depends on the textures
Seams can come from lots of things, including mip maps
And unwelded vertices
There should be options to extend when baking which just paints outside the seams with the same color as the edge
But that's only when baking, i don't think atlassing can do that
rigid crescent
damn my emotes 
If the system was balanced people might care more. As ofright now you're still maxing out your rank even if your other categories are perfect
and if we're going by the "most people don't know anything" assumption, most people don't know anything about what does/doesn't lag the most other than throwing polys at the bottom of the ladder
they just see red exclamation point and the drool dripping from their mouth hits the hide avatar button
neon ravine
still lark
lol
covert blade
@rigid crescent True, but the perf limiter disables only the parts of your avatar where the stats are too high
rigid crescent
"too high" but what is "too high" for DB vs "too high" for poly?
covert blade
🤷 That I dont know
rigid crescent
Exactly
covert blade
I wonder if the perf limits are based on anything or if it's just random as heck
rigid crescent
We've been told to use the unity profiler to help gauge that stuff, so wouldn't it be good to use those to accurately balance the different values?
covert blade
Probably
rigid crescent
For example how many meshes are equal to how many Very Poor transforms
they just need one standard to go with to set a proper average for all the numbers if im thinking of this correctly
serene notch
@pseudo basalt it seems you know so many things about making avatars, where is your cool optimized avatar?
serene notch
exactly
hollow sluice
out of my lobby!
umbral reef
Laughs in perfect ranked avatar
vale wave
900k poly's ftw
cold talon
Doesn't mean he bought the index tho 
faint skiff
If anyone is available in-world with a minute or two to spare and a decent internet connection, can you ping me please?
hollow sluice
Id love to help but school
vale wave
Dont like the CV1?>
agile hound
yo how is everyone
agile hound
im good just getting ready for work
vale wave
i am at work , its pretty boring atm
agile hound
i work at a shipping company called efl
vale wave
country?
agile hound
us ohio
covert blade
'Murica
covert blade
Oh nice
vale wave
Been to germany many times, i love it there xd
vale wave
Phantasia land hell yess
covert blade
Soon
agile hound
nice
covert blade
Only been in three parks so far
vale wave
in germany?
covert blade
Two in Germany one in France
vale wave
Moviepark germany , phantasialand, europapark ,
agile hound
today is going to be a long day for me cuz its black friday
covert blade
Europa-Park, Tripsdrill and Nigloland in France
covert blade
1:38h away from me
floral basin
oh god black Friday
covert blade
So I go there often
covert blade
Oh
vale wave
i live 40 mins from efteling and 35 mins from walibi holand (2 biggest themeparks here in NL)
vale wave
its a fun themepark yeah
covert blade
Also has open the whole year
vale wave
yeah ^^ , mostly i prefer going to the winter, much more mood, less people
vale wave
are all rollercoasters open there?
vale wave
i really want to ride silverstarr
covert blade
Can do midweek with no queue line
Only gotta wait for the train to come back because they're only using one
vale wave
u always go by train to EP ?
covert blade
They dont run the full capacity when there isnt much going on
covert blade
Pretty much
Also gonna try to be in the park midweek myself
I want those empty queue lines where you can keep riding over and over again
covert blade
Yep
Did that last year with Eurosat, Bluefire, Euro-Mir ect
And Alpenexpress does 4-5 rounds instead of 2
vale wave
and the indoor one ?
covert blade
Which one?
vale wave
one sec
covert blade
They all have indoor parts
vale wave
i mean the indoor coaster , can can or something ?
covert blade
Eurosat
vale wave
isnt it named different now because of the paris theme
vale wave
aahhh
covert blade
It's still Eurosat for me and it's still in the name
vale wave
i prefer the original theme tho
storm estuary
are we going to get a vrchat update anytime soon?
Its been since October 3rd......would love for you guys to push the IK improvement.
storm estuary
Sure im willing to give it time, but exactly how much? 😅
also i know that rushing wont help. 😛
Im just trying to compare them to Neos (this might just be me but..), they've been pushing updates like crazy, every other day, or a couple of times a week. But again thats just me.
storm estuary
ah, yea makes sense then. Fair enough.
vale wave
New unity, avatar 2.0 , new UI
faint skiff
The next update is changing the Unity version, but also IK and networking, which is why it's taking so long. They're also waiting on more fixes from Unity for shaders.
storm estuary
im soooo exciteeed ❤️
vale wave
i am curious about the new UI en what tis avatar 2.0 is
inner cape
youre so excited
you just cant hide it
youre about to lose control
but you like it
vale wave
no
rigid crescent
what litle info we have is here https://medium.com/vrchat/vrchat-unity-2018-networking-ik-udon-and-more-445688972335
vocal shard
thanks
vocal shard
heya
civic plume
anyone's connection just timeout?
faint skiff
For anyone considering headsets for VRChat, here's a great comparison of just how much of a difference there is between something like the Vive and the Index - https://i.redd.it/sxx5goa984x31.png
autumn finch
I can't find a baby yoda avatar
civic plume
oh its good to see that tho. i ahve index
lunar cedar
Comparing against the Vive is a little silly at this point. The only thing that looks better in it compared to all the OLED HMDs out there (at the same res) is text.
faint skiff
It's for people that don't think there's much difference between the Rift/Vive and the newer headsets.
autumn finch
i need a baby yoda avatar
faint skiff
Then search for one in-game, no-one here is likely to be able to help.
autumn finch
i tried to search for a Baby yoda avatar world ,didn't find any
covert blade
I doubt there's one already
autumn finch
i saw a video on youtube with an army of baby yodas in pods . These should be one ,i just cant find it
faint skiff
You need to ask people in game rather than here.
inner cape
rigid crescent
there is one, and it's clone only
so you wont find it in a world
https://puu.sh/EJYee/addd288430.png can confirm since i have it
i watched an episode of Mandalorian in it in the movie world lol
vocal shard
Can mixed reality use fullbody tracking?
ruby needle
You can make the same hacky solution like other non VIVE/INDEX HMD's
vocal shard
ahh okkk
molten gale
Ye, im doing it for rift s
vocal shard
cus like
molten gale
Too bad those damn base stations are sold out
vocal shard
vive is sold out, and im looking at used ones but like man, it a hassle
omg they are too damn it
covert blade
Shouldn't the market be flooded with used Vive's and Wands?
vocal shard
will vive be in stock again?
covert blade
Vive is no longer being produced
ruby needle
It's a older product and discontinued.
If you can afford it, the Valve Index is the best solution to go for
and does work with vive 2.0 FBT trackers
vocal shard
wow wdf
molten gale
Its sold out
vocal shard
welp this sucks, vive cosmos is shit and index is too overpriced and is literally almost sold out because of half life
covert blade
Expensive? Yes. Overpriced? Ya sure?
vocal shard
Mhm
ruby needle
Index definitely isnt greatly priced.
Tho, you dont really have an option especially when the product is new.
vocal shard
All HTC had to do was updated the screens and lenses. 
rigid crescent
Well index couldn't manage that either to be fair lol
tame berry
Beep beep boop boop I want to make some soup.
rigid crescent
I genuinely wonder what the fail rate is
rough pulsar
Perceptually disproportionate. You're going to hear about people who have problems compared to those who don't, since when things go wrong people complain.
rigid crescent
You say that but I actively ask almost every index user I meet, it's not unsolicited complaints from disgruntled users.
If I see someone I know with fingers I ask them and more often than not they've either already returned theirs or are starting to see issues, more recently drift.
The drift issue is getting more common amongst the ones who didnt have issues at first
rough pulsar
thumbstick drift seems to be an issue with them in general, and not just isolated to the index.
faint skiff
I'd wager at this point that the thumbstick drift issue is nearing 100% failure rate. Literally every single person I've spoken to has had theirs fail now, many people are have RMA'd several times. Mine started drifting last week too. It seems to be a case of "if yours isn't drifting, it will soon".
Even the new ones people are getting still have the issue, so it's definitely not fixed.
vale wave
i hate it when my thumbsticks start drifting , i always jump when the sound DEJAAAVUUUU starts playing
ornate cobalt
@vale wave don't like the lack of full body capability
- index seems to have a sharper display
And the knuckle controllers o.o
unborn gust
AssTitties
twin fractal
Great input
languid beacon
I have 2 1.0 lighthouses and 3 2.0 vive trackers... i'm debating if i should get the 745 index+knuckles or just get the full 999 kit and sell my 1.0 base stations
is there any difference
faint skiff
The new ones are slightly quieter, that's basically the only difference I noticed. Selling your Vive as a full kit would likely be easier though.
ruby needle
they also have a wider coverage and only one moving part now. (which is why they are quieter)
i honestly would get the full kit and have new ones with warranty and valve's support incase anything goes wrong
vocal shard
Who’s down for an all nighter in vr
faint skiff
@ruby needle Actually they have wider horizontal FoV but lower vertical FoV so I wouldn't really class that as an improvement.
languid beacon
Yeah I don't have a vive fullkit, just the stations and trackers (for my oculus hybrid)
ruby needle
the lower vertical FOV is absolutely fine, and unlike with oculuses camera's it's not completely lost beeing outside the cone
overall teh 2.0 area is better in most cases.
They also look better imo
Not that that is a big influence in the decision tho
ember temple
faint skiff
Well, it's not fine when you're in a small playspace and could easily end up outside of the cameras vertical FoV...
And yeah, the v2s do look better.
faint skiff
Literally 8300+ people on right now...
sour lily
i just realized
im working on a model with eye tracking n shit
... i dont have a vr headset to test eyetracking with
so that must be fucking pointless
shell zinc
you dont need a headset to test eyetracking
broken plover
no eye tracking is your avatar looking at other players automatically
sour lily
ahhh
vocal shard
Eye tracking is simulated
sour lily
i thought it track- HOW DID I FORGET
ruby needle
the eyes track other players
sour lily
i haven't played in a couple of months, i apologize
ruby needle
basically
sour lily
yeah i know now, it does what source games do with their eyes
where its set to always follow the player no matter what, where, or why
my brain forgot and i don't know how
visemes time
shell zinc
best of luck to you sas person friendo
sour lily
thanks
brave pike
twin fractal
Tell him to ask his mom
subtle hound
hey does anybody know a horror avatar world? Like with Jason Voorhees and stuff?
robust marlin
languid beacon
install unity, import vrcsdk, make game out of the included components, ???, upload
subtle hound
Well does anybody know any halloween avatar worlds?
near saffron
Pretty sure there’s a world for this years Halloween winner avatars
near saffron
Not sure, I’m guessing it’s called spookality or whatever the name of the contest was
faint skiff
Why's VRC so weirdly quiet for a Friday night? Only 9100 users?
broken plover
I mean, its midnight for the europeans rn so a big(ger) part of the playerbase isnt playing rn
faint skiff
VRChat as a whole lol
desert stratus
@vocal shard vrchat is generally really supportive of anyone and everyone no matter what 💙
vocal shard
but i want rainbows and yaoi 😭
golden swan
this might be a odd question but does anyone know the world where i can find those marching band cats and stuff
inner cape
👉 🚪
golden swan
idk man
sweet nebula
Theres a dedicated avatar world for them.
summer sage
would it be possible to fix european servers? 300 ping starts tonget annoying
summer sage
thats why i asked for it
sour lily
i've decided i hate having two avatars i really want to use
because i can't decide on which one to use
like one i've put more work on than the other
but one is more cooler than the other
vocal shard
@sour lily i feel u
rigid crescent
nowhere, its set to clone only
covert blade
You can, just not from a world.
rigid crescent
unless you find someone in the avatar who also has cloning on, no
wintry garnet
oh
covert blade
Ask someone who has the avatar to let ya clone it
wintry garnet
i cant find any
rigid crescent
welp
covert blade
¯_(ツ)_/¯
vocal shard
any 1 down for an all nighter
vocal shard
aomeone chill with me?
slender mason
Chill?
gaunt siren
Can you use the Xbox Kinect for full body tracking?
I heard it’s rising in popularity since people can use it for VR
queen mango
You can use it for full-body tracking. But the Kinect may not be the best one for it.
gaunt siren
ooh ok, just wanted to know if it’s possible
vocal shard
Yeah it is. Plenty use it. It's just not quite comparable to something like Vive trackers
rigid crescent
possible, not recommended
slender latch
why is my vrchat lagging so bad it never does this
fleet raven
Anyone know how to make an emote were the character model changes?
slender mason
Emote for vr?
fleet raven
yea
shell zinc
big difference there
vocal shard
Emotes in VR are animations
shell zinc
usually everyone's on till the next day
slender mason
Lol....I wonder how they manage
sour lily
personally its because im not in vr actually
fleet raven
Oof
sour lily
and i've done worse :p
vocal shard
I usually play in VR until 3am
slender mason
You are onne strong mod Jamie!
shell zinc
you know i kid jamieee
vocal shard
No Val, you adult
indigo fern
Ba dum tss
vocal shard
pseudo basalt
👏
broken plover
best joke ever 999/10
slender mason
