They have kinect but want to upgrade to proper fbt
#vrchat-general-2
errant hare
faint skiff
OH. I see. Hmm.
errant hare
I gotta join Paci on Christmas see him test it
weary island
Why does the FOV of a headset matter if you can just squish an arbitrary FOV (0°≤θ≤360°) onto the display?
faint skiff
@molten gale Wrong time of day, most people are at work (EU) or asleep (US)
@weary island What? VR doesn't work like that.
errant hare
The higher fov the more you can see to the side without looking around
Well to the side and up and down
weary island
Yes it does. Blinky Quake and Render360 minecraft mod both do that
faint skiff
@weary island Sending 120' to the screen doesn't magically make the display take up 120' of my vision...
weary island
sure, sending 360° to the screen won't physically put eyes in the back of your head.
faint skiff
Exactly. So what the fuck are you talking about?
molten gale
I hate timezones
weary island
The physical fov of the headset doesn't have to match the virtual fov of the rendering camera.
umbral reef
What
faint skiff
It does if you don't want the world to look weird, or feel sick.
umbral reef
that not how any of this works
errant hare
^ dunno what they talking about
weary island
You can render a 180° panorama and display it on a 90° headset, or render a 90° scene and display it on a half cylinder display.
faint skiff
And that has what relevance to the conversation?
weary island
let me go get links that explain with images
errant hare
They dont seem to be talking about headset fov
umbral reef
I more think they dont understand that most headsets dont render whats behind you...
Unless the game is badly made
weary island
Why does physical headset fov matter if you can display any virtual fov on it?
umbral reef
Id say makea photo from your camera
And strech is only to the left and right by like 20%
For sure looks good
faint skiff
@weary island Because no-one wants to look through binoculars.
More FoV = more natural and more immersive.
umbral reef
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Cascading_Milky_Way.jpg If you play VR like this (360 photo places 2d) you would get motion sick so stupidly fast
Its an extreme case but this applies to anything game displaying a FoV higher then the headsets FoV
weary island
yeah, because that projection is terrible. If you do a barrel roll, both halves of the image rotate opposite directions. Circular projections like equidistant or equisolid fisheye are better for motion sickness.
pale timber
i wish i had motion sickness
faint skiff
@weary island That's irrelevant though, no-one's talking about the displayed FoV, when talking about headset FoV they're referring to the physical angle that the headset provides vision to.
vagrant flame
faint skiff
@vagrant flame No, that's £225 and that's ONLY the headset
You'd still need the controllers, base stations, breakout box, etc.
desert stratus
dont do it, used vive should be like 300 eur for everything listed by enverex
faint skiff
weary island
If you display 180° virtual fov on 60° physical fov high-dpi binoculars, it's still usable, right?
desert stratus
like that
faint skiff
@weary island You've never used VR have you.
No-one, literally fucking no-one would use a headset with 60' FoV.
weary island
I have (google cardboard), and it bothers me that I can't figure out how to view the whole scene at once
desert stratus
does such a thing even exist?
umbral reef
Google cardboard is not VR
desert stratus
oh, cardboard. Yeah most headsets ate at least 90degFOV
weary island
I had an old pc game that defaulted to 60°
molten gale
Google cardboard isnt vr, its a joke
desert stratus
and yeah cardboard is miles away from VR.
weary island
what
desert stratus
it is VR but its so mindbogglingly shitty that you need to try a PCVR headset even for just a second to understand why
umbral reef
Its like saying my bycicle is as much of a motor cycle as a Kawasaki
Both have weels, i can slap a motor on my bike... But its a joke still compared to everything else
desert stratus
id say more a fisher price tricycle to literally any fucking bicycle you can get from even walmart
at least both the kawasaki and a normal bike are somewhat similarish
but you cant call a trike a bike. thats what cardboard is
@weary island can you try out any VR headsets in ur area?
umbral reef
Google cardboard only displays things with a XYZ dispaly screen
Proper VR has 6DOF options
desert stratus
if ur in the states* you can sign up in like a best buy, ms store or what not if thats still a thing
if not, look for any VR arcades
weary island
I tried a real one for a short time and punched balloons
desert stratus
oooh, fun
weary island
screenshot examples of games that can render the whole sphere https://github.com/shaunlebron/blinky https://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding-java-edition/minecraft-mods/2738385-render-360-unlimited-fov
There isn't a good reason you wouldn't be able to do the same thing with a vr headset, other than a) people may prefer a 1:1 angle relationship so it's still like real life, b) motion sickness from not following a, c) the math is harder with two eyes (the screen horizontal isn't rotated around a single camera point, but around the circle of where your one eye would move if you turned your head all the way around) d) it renders slower
faint skiff
You're talking about something that no-one is talking about.
weary island
yes, I introduced a subject
faint skiff
We're talking about the physical FoV provided by the VR headset, not the FoV shown by the display itself.
The latter is irrelevant.
weary island
so higher physical fov is just always better?
umbral reef
You legit answered yourself as to why no one made the tech for it on VR and why its pointless to talk about
There is no reason to do so, only negatives.
weary island
seeing people sneak up behind you
umbral reef
1:1 FOV on a display is the only way to display things properly
weary island
no
faint skiff
@weary island Your actual human eyes let you see behind yourself?
weary island
no
faint skiff
So why ask such a stupid question?
umbral reef
You can only do a 1:1 FoV if the headset has the same FoV
So you want to use a higher FoV in VR? Get a larger screen
weary island
my virtual eyes are better than my physical eyes
faint skiff
The headset can only let you see as much as your physical human eyes let you see.
rigid crescent
lol this is gettin weird
weary island
if they design it that way, yes.
rigid crescent
it's like the ultimate devil's advocate at this point, your classic double down
umbral reef
Im tempted to link you some readers on why what your saying is sooooo silly but i cba as you cba to even learn the basics of displaying things in VR
weary island
again, you can render a panorama on a headset barring implementation issues
rigid crescent
you can render it, but really how well do you thin kyour eyes will perceive it?
weary island
I've been playing minecraft on a laptop screen like that, what's the difference if it's closer to my face?
umbral reef
I really love to puke with my VRheadset you know
rigid crescent
so what you're arguing is TECHNICALLY true but also stupid as shit
faint skiff
@weary island You're confusing the conversation, again. We're not talking about using or abusing the FoV displayed by the screens, we're talking about the amount of your FoV that the headset can cover.
umbral reef
EVERYTHING is different.
rigid crescent
yeah youre arguing something else that's ALSO wrong, so you're kinda just blowing it on both fronts
pale timber
why is he even arguing
rigid crescent
People double down instead of admitting they were wrong, classic smoothbrain playbook move
pale timber
making ignorant statements like 😬
rigid crescent
seen it a thousand times by now
pale timber
honestly.
umbral reef
He wants us to understand his idea. what we do but we also know that it doesnt work like he claims it does.
pale timber
because we've actually experienced it
rigid crescent
The odds of your eyes being able to actively take in that information AND have your brain process it in a normal VR environment is so unlikely that it might as well not be possible
pale timber
some nn actually tried to make an argument and look more stupid than he actually does
rigid crescent
i wonder if anyone has tried that as a cancer shader though. just full panorama on both eyes
umbral reef
You think Oculus hasnt tried everything to see what works best when they made there first headset?
pale timber
woah it's minecraft but closer
umbral reef
They have done some really janky and crazy wheeze worthy stuff to get to the numbers they have now for easy to use vr
faint skiff
Why not make a cheap VR headset with 20' FoV and just display 180' FoV of the game? 4head
rigid crescent
"Valve Index: Like Minecraft but closer"
pale timber
hes still typing
weary island
fine, I'll try it myself when I get a device
umbral reef
Gonna get hardcore motion sick and you first wont have to make the tool to display it like that lol
pale timber
wait, he created an argument without ever trying vr
rigid crescent
yes
weary island
@rigid crescent have you tried playing with 360° fov on a flatscreen?
pale timber
5head smoothbrain
rigid crescent
stop trying to compare VR to literally anything other t han human vision
weary island
come on, I said I tried vr on cardboard and on a real device for a short time
pale timber
that's why there are two lenses and not one
umbral reef
And we made clear that its not the same
rigid crescent
It's so easy to just say "OK yeah, I was wrong"
pale timber
it's not just a monitor closet to your face
rigid crescent
at this point you can't believe what you're saying
pale timber
people stubborn like that won't get anywhere in life
rigid crescent
why do you think cancer shaders are so bad on VR users vs desktop users
umbral reef
You honest to fucking god think companies who's full survival depend on these things havent tried your idea and learned how bad it is
And made it clear to never do things like that for game devs?
weary island
ofc I know it has two lenses. With a single-camera projection, it's rotated around a single point. With two eyes, it takes a render of a one-pixel-wide vertical line, and spins the two cameras around a circle the size of the interocular distance.
pale timber
i'm going to argue without ever trying what i'm arguing about
umbral reef
Also, to maybe make it easier for you
Displaying a 200° fov on a flatscreen makes it distroted for loads of reasons.
rigid crescent
honestly it's as simple as getting any panorama image and just trying to even wrap your brain around that from within VR while it changes around you
pale timber
🤡
umbral reef
It doesnt have a signle camera projection in most cases...
Its not a mirror from desktop to VR
weary island
you can't use a normal panorama in vr because the camera has to rotate along an arc, not around itself.
weary island
because I do way too many flash cards each day
pale timber
you failed to memorize that information
you're still arguing and making a fool of yourself just because you couldn't admit you're wrong
what a clown
umbral reef
@weary island https://www.impulsegear.com/a-look-inside-farpoints-rendering-techniques-for-vr For your above statement of it being one single-camera projection
Its a no- thats not how it works again
weary island
are you trying to tell me that it uses one camera per eye or more than one camera per eye?
umbral reef
It mimicks how real eyes works
It does not use one camera and spreads it out over two displays as you stated
It uses two camera's like two human eyes
Humans see like:
https://vr-lens-lab.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/monobino-1030x779.jpg
The blue is what we can see with both eyes. The grey is what one eye can see
pale timber
😬😬
umbral reef
Its not hard to get and not hard to google this
Your really just spouting random idea's without understanding how the tech works.
Its not hard to use google and get a understanding
Also again, google cardboard isnt VR
weary island
woah, I thought we only saw up to 180-ish
umbral reef
If your eyes are scuffed
weary island
For a single frame, for a single eye, in vr, you can render using a single camera from a single point to get that eye's half of the frame, for low fovs.
For a single frame, for a single eye, in vr, with a 360° fov, if you rendered the part of the panorama that looks backward with the right eye's camera still on the right side of the head, it would be rendered wrong. The eye has to rotate around the nose to be backwards in the spot where the other eye normally is to be able to render backward and still have the 3d effect correct.
umbral reef
So as the bunny
What still would not work with our human brains
Sure we can-
We can also start living underground with all of humanity
But there is no logic or reason to do so
but im not gonna waste more time on this
Feel free to ignore everything we said
rigid crescent
i can go into any of my steamvr screenshots and they all show what each eye sees
weary island
ah, I'm talking about something different. Not bunny eyes, but normal stereo vision in a one-pixel wide vertical line, and then you turn your head a little, draw the line next to it, turn a little more, draw the next line, until you've drawn a whole panorama. But this takes screen width times 2 renders to accomplish, so it'd be even slower to render than the links I put.
360° stereo panoramas are a real thing. I fail to see how a vr device would make it not work. Maybe I'm just incapable of seeing how until I try it myself.
rigid crescent
It would WORK, your eyes an brain just aren't made to process that
umbral reef
That might honestly be because you have jack shit understanding of software and hardware
It works fine
But nah
weary island
I can process it just fine on a flatscreen using azimuthal equidistant fisheye projection. assumption: It would only be warped a little differently in vr
crosses eyes for 3d effect on stereographic projection
rigid crescent
looking at something on a screen isn't the same as experiencing it in VR
weary island
ok, alright
rigid crescent
you're not just "seeing" it in VR, you're experiencing that
while it's technically just two screens, it's not as simple as "yeah two monitors on muh face 🤤 "
lunar cedar
You definitely shouldn't be projecting a panorama onto the displays unless you somehow have a stereoscopic camera that matches the lens distortion of the VR hmd you're projecting to. An improbable assumption to say the least.
Makes more sense to project the panorama onto an object in a scene and place the user into that scene normally
weary island
aha! Then here's the difference in experience: In 1:1 vr, you're experiencing the world surrounding you, with blinders on. in 360 fov vr, it should be that the entire world is floating in front of you, while still having blinders on.
Yeah, I'm not looking forward to the math for that distortion.
lol then it's the exact same as using a laptop if I just use an object
like there's a crystal ball on your face that turns when you turn
I really need to get a device
lunar cedar
Are you really suggesting trying to project 360 degrees onto a 110 degree hmd? That would be horrible
faint skiff
Well, no. If you tried to shove 360' on the screen all at once, it would just feel really weird.
golden violet
You would see behind you by looking forward
weary island
It does feel weird, and the physical fov of a laptop screen depends on how far away I sit from it.
yes okuu
weary island
in fisheye projection, behind you is the edges of the projection
rigid crescent
im willing to be the sacrifice to test this honestly
literally just IMAGINING how that'd look on both your eyes should be enough to tell you it wont wokr
umbral reef
Refuses to accept anything anyone says
Thinks 2d screens are the same in VR
Had to be explaining that VR does not function of one camera being displayed for both eyes but that both eyes render things different.
Its really not worth it
weary island
This won't work in stereo, but you could run blinky quake or render360 minecraft mod on a pc and clone the display to the headset. It'll give you an idea of the angles, but you won't have depth perception.
lunar cedar
clone the display to the headset. No, just no
weary island
I had an app that did that for cardboard lol
deft girder
I'm trying so hard to understand the most important question here just, why 🤔
umbral reef
@deft girder He wants to look behind him 🙂
lunar cedar
And people probably made square wheel before round ones. Doesn't mean they're logical
deft girder
But why 😅
umbral reef
Behind
Vision 🙂
weary island
because curves are beautiful. Sitting in the center of a cubic room with 360 degree fisheye projection
umbral reef
Why would you not want to have that while puking out everything in your stomach and more
deft girder
Very true
rigid crescent
While I don't think I'd puke, I can't imagine it would be comfortable on your eyes
weary island
it's not really about seeing people behind me (though that's an advantage), I just like the curves 😛
lunar cedar
Thing is, that projection won't even fill the screen. The actual FOV would be horrendous
rigid crescent
I've learned that it doesn't take much effort to completely strain your eyes in VR
faint skiff
Relevant - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAeXkJO7bxQ
weary island
there are rectangular projections, but they bend weird(er) when you turn or lean
rigid crescent
All the visual experiences are things your brain and eyes are things they'd never have to fuck with, and that's just talking eye-fuck shaders
I don't really get motion sick or anything, but I can definitely feel the strain some of the bad stuff has put on my eyes, mainly just from trying to focus through it out of curiosity lol
as it's happening, not talking long-term damage yet
the eye-swapping one is my favorite, along with anything that desyncs your eyes
umbral reef
Should try having your head be a lose object from your hands in VR mic
Shits messes hard with you
rigid crescent
yeah no
weary island
idk how to feel about this video
rigid crescent
im trying to find a decent Steam screenshot that displays the left/right eye fov example but all my steamvr screenshots are...well, they're not taken with the camera for a reason
weary island
in case anyone wants to know what mono 360 equidistant fisheye looks like oh can't post images… uh… I might actually have to start using imgur
lunar cedar
Wait, are you saying you'll do something like a globe projection onto a rectangle. The most useless kind of projection that is all but abandoned?
umbral reef
Ow well its kinda the same only the mirror is like an exact mirror and that photo just makes a photo from each eye camera
weary island
What's the biggest (physical) fov you can get on a vr headset, anyway?
umbral reef
210º
umbral reef
Its a non consumer though
faint skiff
You can see the perspective difference here at least - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/629302253768933376/647071345410048000/unknown.png
(also goes to show I'm left eye dominant considering I wasn't aware I was looking at an angle)
lunar cedar
Pimax 5K XR has 200 degrees for $900
weary island
leans way back and crosses eyes to look at the pictures like a poor man
summer sage
speaking of crossing eyes, would be cool with face tracking in the game
weary island
perspective projection squishes things toward the center of the screen https://raw.githubusercontent.com/shaunlebron/blinky/master/readme-img/old-and-new.jpg
lunar cedar
You mean faceware?
weary island
I'd use it for moving the mouse pointer first
summer sage
eh i guess ?
umbral reef
You have arms to move the mouse
lunar cedar
It's expensive af. I've used it in star citizen
summer sage
oh so the things exists ?
weary island
yes, but using your eyes to look at things is more intuitive
umbral reef
Not to click on it really
lunar cedar
Using your hands to point at things is more intuitive
weary island
I'm not sure yet which side I fall on between blink to click and click a button to click, but even with eye tracking you still have buttons you can use
summer sage
yeah but i meant like full body tracking + face
faint skiff
I'd rather not have face and eye tracking, personally
rigid crescent
same
summer sage
well i have a pretty dark sense of humor so i would find it hilarious
rigid crescent
public face and "at home spaced out playing games" face are very different
id hate to have to have on a "public" face all the time
umbral reef
Cant look at some things then anymore 👀
weary island
If eye tracking ever becomes commonplace, there will be a whole new class of advertisements doing things when you look at them, or following your gaze when you try to look away
rigid crescent
easy way to make people not use your product lol
umbral reef
People would just not use that app then
rigid crescent
or just turn off the function altogether
weary island
life hack: just never use public face
umbral reef
A lesser product that is more user friendly will get used more
rigid crescent
😤 still out here waiting for Default-Bot customization
https://twitter.com/rose_clove_tea/status/1197514651010879488 i wanna replace it with generic anime girl
vale wave
would be much better yeah xD
rigid crescent
https://sites.google.com/view/vrchat-event oh i found this
weary island
I was imagining some sort of eyetracking-enabled web browser with the tracking exposed to the page (like how click and touch are different functions), but it seems the browser could just block that like anything else. You're right, if people avoid it it won't get used.
rigid crescent
No one:
Mic: "I mean, the JP community does it....
vale wave
i don't speak ping pong mic
rigid crescent
it's a massive list of Japanese community-run events
faint skiff
I have resting asshole face so it wouldn't carry over well. That said, I'm literally a Dragon in game who also has resting asshole face, so... somewhat ironic.
vale wave
All i know is that there will be a dutch commiccon this weekend and LOADS of dutch vrchatters gonna meet up there
rigid crescent
one i assume isn't run by dev team at all. it's now on the list of things i wonder why we don't have
umbral reef
Bruh the JP community has so much more dope stuff then us 👏
vale wave
Im just gonna walk around with a big circle tho
weary island
"event calwender"
rigid crescent
Oh the major US events for VRc are Twitchcon and AX
Twitchcon was great, didnt go to AX
vale wave
i went to firstlook (also loads of dutch vrc'ers were there) but i ended up cringe leaving
umbral reef
Be ready for dutch comic con then
rigid crescent
oh right speaking of JP events, there's a music festival coming up soon
umbral reef
Two years ago is was such a cringe fest it actually hurt
rigid crescent
im kinda hype since a VR-Band I like is playing
vale wave
i mean , its ok if you have your ''hobbby''s'' , but dude with with massive hairy leg's dressing in a tigh skirt
Was is sleepy?
umbral reef
@rigid crescent Trust me, dutch cons are leaps worse then the average con there
rigid crescent
they use some software that magically syncs their shit so it's listenable
I've tried looking into English equivalents to try and get word out to musicians but i dont know enough about sound shit to know if theyd work and how well
vale wave
what was the bigggest thing to cringe about @umbral reef ? to prepare myself
rigid crescent
The user I asked said they use "NetDuetto and Topazchat" but
umbral reef
Beside the traps? The plain echi boots where people just stare and dont buy
The poor cosplayers being weebed over as objects and the gaming corner is best to not go to unless you have deo
vale wave
sounds like first look yeah xdd
rigid crescent
Yep....Yep...
sounds like a typical con lol
The "big hairy dude in a dress" this is usually just "haha funny meme XD", goes way back
i mean, man-faye. come on
hairy dude in women's cosplay in general. pretty normal gag
umbral reef
Its more then that there mic
Been to a few other cons and they also had those but they where way less soul hurting
vale wave
i just don't get it , i respect everyone , i truly do , but what kind of good's does it bring to dress up as a girl and not take enough effort to truly look like a ggirl
umbral reef
Best part is still when people dont care about other humans there when screaming, pushing, taking up way to much space at the seats and stuff
Thats also stupidly lovely here
Gamescom with 10x the amount of people had less assholes like that
vale wave
are you gonna go this weekend oclac?
rigid crescent
yeah, con etiquette was way worse in the early 2000s, now there's enough "normal" people at cons where most people arent socially inept or too shy to do antyhing majorly stupid
the days of glomping, yaoi paddles,and leashes are thankfully dead
now it's mostly just perverts and smelly gamers
vale wave
^ amen
umbral reef
@vale wave Lmao fuck no
I only plan going to the lesser cons from now on when i have the time or the stupidly major ones that arent anime focused.
And i have work this weekend. Gonna be hosting a party so
rough pulsar
Sounds like the difference between cons in the UK and the US. At the ones I've been to in the UK people have a surprising amount of self-awareness about what they do and don't act like pricks.
umbral reef
The german ones V dutch are also leaps different from what i have seen
rigid crescent
They've gotten better in the 15 or so years ive been going, thats for sure
umbral reef
Would love to go to a UK con one day
vale wave
@umbral reef wise choice , i prob gonna regret, but on the bright side, im going with 2 girls ,
faint skiff
I went to MCM Comic Con once, it seemed super normal except for the cosplays. In fact it was boringly normal, like walking around a car-boot with your mum and dad normal.
rough pulsar
London one? @faint skiff
vale wave
lol xd
umbral reef
Ey, just find another two groups there orso
Talk to the more elder cosplayers or groups there and see if you can find the after party
faint skiff
@rough pulsar Brum
umbral reef
That stuff is neato as those annoying kids will never get to join
rough pulsar
Ah, I've been to the London one and hmm 🤔 it was kinda the same at times.
rigid crescent
What I do like is how the "bar" for mediocrity has changed for cosplay
rough pulsar
The best ones are the 18+ party cons. Now they're fun.
rigid crescent
yesss
umbral reef
Ow for sure yea
faint skiff
There was a pornstar meet section there too, which looked a bit weird because the "area" for it looked like 2 shipping containers back to back...
rigid crescent
From what I've been told by people outside the US, America's cons are way bigger parties
faint skiff
So, who's up for Rainfurrest!
rough pulsar
🙀
vale wave
uh oh
rigid crescent
There's soooo much drugs and alcohol in the con scene here lol
Every con I've been to has been a huge party, minus the comic conventions since they're more aimed at families these days
umbral reef
@rigid crescent There's soooo much drugs and alcohol here *
rigid crescent
:3
umbral reef
Welcome to the EU anything scene
faint skiff
Need one run by Ebeneezer Goode.
rigid crescent
its crazy to think how big the US convention party scene is considering the stereotype of people who are into that stuff
vale wave
so did u guys cosplay also ?
umbral reef
You guys do have some weak ass alcohol though
vale wave
or just went there to walk around
umbral reef
Tbh main reason i went to the comic con two years ago was to get some cheap copies of some commics i wanted :'o
Actually got them also after searching for long enough
vale wave
xd
rigid crescent
yeah i just went to hang and get some merch and art
maybe a few cheaper comics that my local shops didnt have
vale wave
i cosplayed as my avatar , which wasn't more then just a specific hoodie , just to let ppl know who i was lol
umbral reef
Deadly class volumes 💪
Really sad they are making it into a movie/series
Its so bland compared to the comics from the trailers
rigid crescent
Remender did a lot of Marvel stuff I liked. Punisher story, some Agent Venom stories, Secret Avengers
vale wave
only thing i'm reading atm is AoT
rigid crescent
and the Hail Hydra Secret wars shit I lost 😢
vale wave
sucks to wait a month everytime.
rigid crescent
oof I dropped AoT before it even got an anime
umbral reef
Ow shit didnt realize it aired yet. Has to be fairly ait from what i see beside that its one season what means an open ending 💤
Not worth it
vale wave
Attack on titan open ending ?
rigid crescent
nah the comic-adaptation he was talking about
vale wave
ohhhh my bad
umbral reef
Ow no the Deathly class tv series
summer sage
0gonna sleep for 4 hrs and then sit throuout friday to learn how to use unity
broken plover
this guy just straight up broke rule 23
vale wave
as long rule 34 isnt broken
summer sage
how dare u ping the Gods?
hearty geyser
Oh great I got approved.
Is there a popular avatar world where I can see most of the generic ones?
faint skiff
No. Each world is made by a specific person and contains only what they've made.
Unless you mean the default ones listed on the avatar screen which are always there, in which case there's a portal to that world in your default home hub.
hearty geyser
Oh alright, thanks.
faint skiff
That contains the dozen or default ones, like the alien, the dude in a big hat, the dog man, etc.
summer sage
the big mushroom is the most wholesome avatar imo
vale wave
@vocal shard best flipping place for asking something like that \
deft girder
You gonna be gone in a second if you ask something like that in the official discord
Definetly not here
deft girder
There we go 😄
vale wave
oh
ruby needle
deft girder
Yeah nothing happened 👀
vale wave
Sorry for poking FPaul
ruby needle
I mean, i have seen a lot of interesting and questionable things by now.
vale wave
Really ? 😛
ruby needle
But going to the official discord to ask for a mod client? 
vale wave
hahahaha
i remember when i worked on habbo as a mod players threatened me to give furniture or they report me by the staff
there are always brave idiotas
ruby needle
Well someone literally came in and asked to message them a mod client cus they want to fly 
vale wave
yes, cuz flying is fun right
covert blade
It is when I'm a campfire that can jump up but I fall down very slowly
snow wadi
@modern sand 
summer sage
isnt that against the server rules?
covert blade
What is against which rule?
covert blade
Oh... uh.... well that message isn't here anymore
@mental sundial That is against VRChat's ToS
mental sundial
idk what ur talking about, there's no message there
covert blade
Deleted messages are logged
mental sundial
isn't it against tos in public? in private it's ok no? xd
summer sage
covert blade
Their server, their rules. They have a bot that logs deleted messages.
And no, it isn't against the ToS to do that :)
empty flint
boo
vocal shard
hello hru u all 😄
vocal shard
can't think straight if you're gay 
twin fractal
Just found out I'm DJing at MAGfest again in January 😎🤟
mighty nest
Magfest looks pretty cool
covert chasm
I used to go to MAGfest every year because i lived 5 mins from it, but now I'm on the other coast 😢
polar jasper
Could always do a MAGfestVR 😉
summer sage
what is MAGfest btw?
mighty nest
looks to be some kinda of convention with a focus on Music and Games
covert blade
Good day Tupper ^_^
mighty nest
both of which are I am pretty into
inner cape
make america great fest?
covert chasm
MAGfest is "music and gaming festival" held in Maryland, US near washington DC
fun fact: when i got hired for VRChat I spent my first 3 days on the job alternating between answering support emails for VRChat from the LAN party room of magfest, sleeping, and playing all the free arcade games they had on the floor
covert blade
Nice
broken plover
is it like gamescom? Would be nice if you guys in the US also got something like gamescom lol. Might go there if its worth it (and I got the money)
mighty nest
Youtube Magfest 2019 and take a look. I've always wanted to attend a con at the Gaylord there, it's a really cool looking property.
sharp saddle
Sup.
half hawk
I have found a ddoser
covert blade
@half hawk Well, report him #moderation-reports
idle elm
And please don't share names in the Discord like that.
half hawk
K
idle elm
@pseudo agate Basically, if you have a moderation report. Report the details to VRChat via the method shown in #moderation-reports . Do not report the issue here, and definitely don't name the user here. - The reason being no one needs to be starting witch hunts. And it's really a bummer if people are making false accusations in public.
vocal shard
i wanna ping system co i can thank them for finally allowing me to upload my own vatar!
rigid crescent
they didnt really do much, its all automatic
also none of them, laptops are really bad for VR
gaming laptops in general are pretty 💤
broken compass
So what should I do
rigid crescent
get a PC?
rigid crescent
a "regular" pc probably wouldnt be good if youre trying to run VR
there's minimum specs, and VRChat specifically definitely doesnt do its best on those minimum specs since its all user-made content
vocal shard
i need heeeeeelp
frosty veldt
That image is beautiful Mic
tame seal
Hey guys, I need some advice. I was trying to decide if i should get the Rift S or the Quest, but then i heard about the link coming for quest so it can be used on PC. Should I just get the quest, hands-down?
vocal shard
I prefer the rift S over quest even with a link because the Rift S has sharper screens, higher refesh, and slightly better tracking.
Other than that, the ability to use the quest stand alone along with PC makes it a good buy if that's what you're looking for
(More personal observations which may vary by user)
The rift s is also more comfortable in my opinion, and has slight better lenses
flint bridge
Where are all the good male avas at, can only find e-boy ones
or anything gender neutral that's good with full body
zinc scaffold
True but. You gotta know your budget
rigid crescent
good male avatars are a lot harder to come by
there's some for sale on Booth but i don't often see very good kitbashed ones
indigo fern
mainly all the good free anime male looking avatars are on bowlroll with a ridiculously hard password
theres plenty of non anime men tho
rigid crescent
most of those are just tied behind character traits, you can get t hem pretty easy for the most part
the hard ones are when they start asking about shit like historical questions for the TOuken Ranbu shit
indigo fern
a lot of the ensemble stars ones youd pretty much need the game to check em
rigid crescent
ahh stuff like game chapter names and stuff i bet
lyric ridge
Is anyone else having problems loading into worlds? I can load into my home world, I can’t go to other worlds and when I try to go back to my home world it takes far longer than it initially does on startup, I’ve tried clearing my cache and completely reinstalling vrchat
rigid crescent
ah yeah, like one i found seems to be the release date of the game
lyric ridge
Nevermind it may have just been the 1 world
indigo fern
oh snap, they have an anime now tho, that might help for some things
rigid crescent
i hate dates because they often just shuffle around formats
indigo fern
documentation looks a lot better now too, like you can just find all the songs and dates on a wiki, pretty neat
it was pretty aids before lmao
drowsy summit
hey! uh.. could anyone help me with somthin?
vocal shard
People are loving my avatar
small onyx
Does anyone know why I can’t prone anymore in vrchat while using VR?? Thought I’d ask and see if anyone here knows how to solve this bs. I’ve tried adjusting my oculus height and everything but nothing working before I could just click stand/sit position in menu to change me from standing to prone, now all it does is either slightly bends my knees or has my camera outside above my character
lunar cedar
Sit has been a crouch toggle for as long as I can remember. I've only ever seen desktop users go prone
small onyx
I swear I was able to for years until three to five days ago I think it was due to an oculus update maybe
lunar cedar
Avatars can change their idle animations, so maybe your avatar got updated?
small onyx
Nah it won’t even work on any avatar, and besides before it would drop my camera to the ground on all avatars doesn’t do it anymore. Anyone else got a suggestion for me to try?
earnest panther
Hi, so you know how many people gather in one spot, right? And everyone is talking at the same time and have no trouble holding a conversation. Is there a way to quickly focus on one person without muting the entire group?
hollow sluice
Getting used to it
earnest panther
Same thing for when one addresses you from behind? Everyone sounds at equal volume, so I can't tell if someone is talking to me unless they use my name.
vocal shard
yo
vale wave
yaw
vocal shard
pee pee pooo
uneven anvil
Wtf is a crash gun
hollow sluice
A gun that crashes ppl
uneven anvil
LMFAO that exist
uneven anvil
How that even fcking works the crash gun dont get it
faint skiff
It basically creates an insane shader or generates a massive amount of polys/particles which in turn cause people to lock up or crash entirely.
hollow sluice
Theres so many ways to crash ppl
faint skiff
Yeah, basically that. You can negate the particle based ones entirely by following the client config editing guide. The rest can be dealt with like all other avatar nonsense by disabling custom animations.
uneven anvil
Ok
vocal forum
anyone having trouble loading video on the video players?
uneven anvil
They bugged as hell
vocal forum
pepehands
vale wave
big sad
mental fossil
HELLo everyone!
vale wave
Hello Daddy!
languid beacon
Limit particles, and for non friends disable shaders. If you want you can also hide very poor avatars but it’s not necessary, the first two alone makes you uncrashable (unless you have sucky friends)
lunar cedar
Plenty of crashers use just polygons. Sometimes it's even just people that read on the internet that "polygons don't matter", so hiding very poor is a good idea imo.
languid beacon
I haven’t been crashed with my settings. I’ve also seen multi millions of polygons and it doesn’t dip my fps. They really need a custom shader for polygon spam to do any damage
faint skiff
Yeah, I've only been put at risk once in like 3 months since switching to that method. To get you now they have to use an avatar that is in "crash mode" from the moment they switch to it.
languid beacon
I mean you are right, hiding very poor does make you safer but it also hides like 70% of avatars unfortunately and I consider that not really acceptable
I really wish PC could get the whole robot avatar with the profile picture on their chest
Like quest has
toxic spire
faint skiff
@toxic spire Not the place to spam your crappy YouTube videos.
toxic spire
didnt spam it
faint skiff
Posting it in unrelated channels with no context is definitely spam.
toxic spire
sure
vale wave
In other words, could you please delete the URL 🙂
languid beacon
hi
covert blade
How are you doing today?
pastel dirge
@languid beacon some avatar have polygons on hidden objects that when active starts showing.. so even a 100 miljon poly might be good performance in fps untill the object is summoned thats why i block anyone above 500k and hide avatar for 200k
i would prefer being able to block single avatars themself so only when those avatars are used they show as blocked but vrchat havent come that far
like blocking avatar id
but if your using avatar that is made to lagg people ur gonna get blocked
covert blade
Has been suggested a few times already, I bet there's a canny for that as well
pastel dirge
ye but they are too slow to impliment anything so i doupt it could. would also be easier to copy avatar id and forceclone maybe so for that its not easy
specially if private
but its still a useable option
covert blade
I doubt it would make it any easier to do that
vocal shard
Honestly they are just gonna have it uploaded multiple times at different id's
covert blade
The average Joe using bad public avatar XYZ won't be able to do that though
faint skiff
Exactly. It's rare that it's the actual uploader doing it, it's randos that have cloned it.
pastel dirge
for example blocking every single neko avatar would be so satisfying
by neko i mean the avatar world owner
faint skiff
And Swedish Puppy due to them all being so bad performance wise (I swear none of them have any atlassing or mesh merging done).
pastel dirge
nep it dosent matter if they upload at different id , since the avatars used are used by randoms that these avatar makers do public and the new people dosent know
specially nekos avatars cn crash alot and people still use it since they dont know
covert blade
It would still be better than hiding the person for one bad avatar that he has and having to keep him hidden because you don't know when he's gonna change just so that an hour later you run into another person using the exact same avatar
pastel dirge
yes
covert blade
Or a whole group of people all using the same bad avatar
tiny ginkgo
It seems like a good idea - I feel like some noisy meme avatars always come around as flavor of the month, and blocking that stuff just once would be bliss
errant hare
Well you can just disable all very poor avatars
covert blade
Depending on the room that disables like half the room
errant hare
Yup, whats wrong with that?
covert blade
And you can't customize the limits to push the settings to match what your PC can actually handle
errant hare
I had all avatars enabled but then they disabled poly hard cap
covert blade
So you're just stuck with whatever limit the VRChat developers have put in place for your settings to use
tiny ginkgo
The avatar rating system is a little weird - it seems like as soon as you add something that isn't even super heavy, then you get poor rating, like bones or whatever
errant hare
They decided 32 dynamic bones is all you need apparently
tiny ginkgo
My setup is that I have most stuff disabled by default for everyone (shaders, music etc etc) and then if I talk to someone I just "Enable Avatar" and it shows fully
I find that to be the best solution for me, for now
covert blade
Safety: Off, cuz ya dont really need it most of the time imo
errant hare
Yeah, best solution
tiny ginkgo
I definitely have safety on because I dislike avatar particle shader audio spam
covert blade
Turn off custom animations and it solves 99% of your problems
tiny ginkgo
if my friends do it I tell them to give it a break, but if it's strangers then i don't feel like i can tell them to stop
wild stag
whats the 1%
tiny ginkgo
For me it's usually audio that annoys me..
covert blade
Someone crashing or kicking you through other means
tiny ginkgo
it's not crashing that concerns me personally
covert blade
Mine is 
tiny ginkgo
I don't even recall having been crashed
covert blade
I managed to have SteamVR crash at one point
tiny ginkgo
It's obnoxious audio and stuff that's killing me
covert blade
The game was still running in the background but I couldn't see anything
wild stag
green circle
covert blade
Yes
errant hare
Can have dynamic bones?
covert blade
I don't have any so dunno
vocal shard
Yeah, i think it was like up to 16?
white flare
Hey guys I'm nervous about investing in the valve index, can u guys help me out
I'm a designer looking to use software in VR to create models, assets and artwork
errant hare
but shall be persuade you to buy it or not to buy it?
white flare
Persuade me to buy it ;)
tawny shore
do it, do it, do it, do it, do it!
I love the index, but honest time here, the controllers have been breaking a LOT recently, you can find all sorts of information about it online.
While the headset is awesome, and the controllers are too, they are really fragile apparently. My rift S controllers have been dropped, and beaten by my kids and still work perfectly.
so I sacrifice a little in FOV and clarity to have a more robust system.
white flare
I'd feel more comfortable buying an oculus
errant hare
I punched few things with my Rift S controllers and they worked the same as well
white flare
However. I'm worried about investing in technology, and its obsolesence
The index is new so assuredly more supported for a bit compared to an old oculus that will have predecessors on the way?
tawny shore
that is like saying, you wont buy a new car because the new model will be better
white flare
True
tawny shore
if you keep saying that you will never buy anything
errant hare
Index is more upgradable than Oculus sets but it is likely you may have Rift S and next gen Oculus headset for the price of an Index
covert blade
You could just buy used hardware. Definitely cheaper and gets you into VR too
errant hare
but what are you planing to use VR for?
tawny shore
if you are concerned, buy the cheaper model to make sure VR will even be for you. don't drop 1k on a possibility.
errant hare
3d modelling in VR is a nice option but for sculpting only
white flare
3d sculpting tools, game test / design, and keep up with current developments
I think you're right monsieur spikelangelo
errant hare
Planing to develop content for VR games ya?
tawny shore
considering the Oculus is fully capable of playing Anything the Index can, /shurg
/shrug*
white flare
I'd be crushed tho to find out oculus isnt supported in a new release or something
Yea kohi
errant hare
Each headset gen is likely to be supported for 2-3 years
tawny shore
at the least
languid beacon
Yes can have dynamic bones but not collider
errant hare
Thanks for confirming
faint skiff
@white flare Despite the fact that Oculus try and make that the case the other way around, e.g. things that only work on their hardware and everything else is locked out...
languid beacon
I honestly will recommend the quest depending on how the link performs. Same resolution as Index, 600 usd cheaper, and will have finger tracking eventually, and works with or without a PC
languid beacon
They are in fact the same look it up
white flare
How is that possible
faint skiff
It's pentile OLED which means the resolution is half what it claims for the subpixels.
languid beacon
Index, quest, and vive pro have the same resolution
faint skiff
So 1440 becomes 720.
languid beacon
That’s not how pixels work
errant hare
Well res may be the same, just subpixel amount is reduced by 33% in case of Quest
faint skiff
@languid beacon Yes, it is - https://www.oled-info.com/pentile
languid beacon
I know how OLED works I’m talking about resolution
errant hare
Anyway Index screen looks better than Quest
white flare
Ah but quest v rift S?
languid beacon
I’m more of an OLED fan. Lcd just looks like a screen to me, breaks immersion
faint skiff
Anyway, compared to the Index, the Quest looks considerably lower resolution, has VERY bad screen door effect, feels a lot heavier and is generally just uncomfortable. The audio on it (I'm not sure you can even call it headphones) is appalling and you will have to use headphones.
errant hare
Quest has higher res than Rift S but greater screendoor
languid beacon
Rift S has lower resolution than quest I don’t personally recommend it. Quest with Link entirely supersedes rift S
faint skiff
It really doesn't
languid beacon
Maybe it’s not resolution at all. I just don’t like how LCD’s look washed out and fake
errant hare
Quest is the way to go if you plan developing mobile content but otherwise you would be ebtter of with Rift S
faint skiff
Link in itself even has additional compromises to image quality AND puts additional strain on the host machine as it's basically streaming video.
(which is why Oculus list the Link specs as higher than the Rift S requirements)
languid beacon
Like I’d probably just prefer a lower res OLED that is bright, colorful, and doesn’t look like a computer screen
white flare
I want to hear why adeon recommends the quest, is it just the OLED? Or anything else about it?
faint skiff
The Index doesn't look like a computer screen at all, nor are the colours in any way washed out. The only thing it has issues with are black levels in dark environments.
grave dagger
I like my rift S, much comfier than the Quest and you get used to the LCD colors pretty quickly
languid beacon
I basically just said it. Lcd screens leave me grumpy I don’t feel like it’s real
languid beacon
Time for work, later people
errant hare
C U Adeon
grave dagger
👋
covert blade
See ya
errant hare
Cables are our friends until we wear our headsets and they sneak upon us, ready to get in a way at any momennt
languid beacon
Yeah 60 usd to replace rift cable was not enjoyable
I loved my short time with a quest I wish wireless streaming worked better
If Link is marginally better than wireless teather it will be entirely acceptable imho
Still gonna hate that wire
errant hare
You will be late :>
faint skiff
The battery only lasts around 2 hours anyway so I end up just tethered to the wall with the Quest, so there's always a cable regardless (also I noticed the power going down still WHILE connected to the wall which was a little concerning).
languid beacon
Yeah the battery is the reason I took my quest back for a refund
errant hare
but for 2 hour beat saber sessions seems nice
languid beacon
After only 2 days
But now I want a higher resolution OLED and choices are very limited
faint skiff
@errant hare Given how front-heavy it is, it seems like the last device I'd use for sabre, moving around in general isn't ideal.
errant hare
dang
grave dagger
The day we get great wireless VR is the day i stop leaving my house ✨
faint skiff
We already have wireless VR?
covert blade
Aren't the options for that rather limited though?
faint skiff
Vive or Vive Pro with one of the WiFi addons or Quest with ALVR or Virtual Desktop. So 3 options I guess.
faint skiff
On the Vive ones apparently it's unnoticable. With the Quest one, it's small on the controllers and none on the headset.
I just realised I could do wireless full-body with the Quest, that would be weird.
wide tundra
I would get the quest if it wasn't so restricted
its literally just powered by Smartphone hardware that doesn't meet VR requirements at all
I mean, its probably fine for what it is when you're on the go.
to just have like a small VR party in someones basement without having to carry a computer or laptop down there
crystal fossil
Why is it always a basement. I'm not used to seeing basements. They're uncommon for me!
Yet everything happens in them.
vocal shard
does anyone know if spawnaudio is ever gonna get fixed so i don't have to listen to peoples spawn-in audio everytime even though i have their audio turned off in my safety settings?
faint skiff
@wide tundra I mean as a primary device it's terrible. I have it for when I want to stream SteamVR to another location.
It's just I realised that if I use it in the same playspace, I could still put my Vive trackers on and use full-body tracking with it too.
covert blade
Good day
It fine. I'm hungry though. Gonna play some VRChat later ^-^
What 'bout yerself?
Ah
School, how much I hated that back then
faint skiff
Working 42 hours a week now, I miss school. So much more free time
covert blade
More free time sure but personally I just hated being in school
Compared to how ok I am with being at work, I honestly don't miss it
faint skiff
True, less thinking at work
covert blade
Yep. There's no specific schedule of what I do when and where every week, no homework, and more "freedom" at work as it's mostly just me and the tasks I have to do without constantly having to pay attention to someone explaining things to me
Or in my case, trying to explain things to me
restive shore
Does anyone know what the "x days ago" marker on each person in my friends list is tracking?
Is it days since they last changed their status?
errant hare
Days/hours since they last log in to VRChat
restive shore
It's definitely not that. Or it's broken.
errant hare
or rather since they loged off
restive shore
Someone I just saw online last night says "20 days ago"
faint skiff
Days since they last checked the website AFAIK
errant hare
but were they online in game or on website?
restive shore
Oh, it's strictly the website?
covert blade
Wat
faint skiff
Seems to be, definitely isn't "since last in-game"
errant hare
They may log on website and appear as online (yellow frame around their avatar icon) but they weren't ingame so after logging off website they will still have the previous counter telling when they were last online ingame
covert blade
I'm pretty sure it updates the ingame one too, just not very reliably
restive shore
No, I saw them online in-game last night.
errant hare
dunno then
covert blade
I don't believe that there's so many people checking the website but only so few actually did stuff in their bio
restive shore
Tracking the website logins makes more sense as to what I'm seeing
Yeah, that's true too
restive shore
I check the website a lot and only ever see a couple people ever show up as that yellow border
So I'm starting to doubt it's that as well
covert blade
But I wouldn't think that it is exclusively the website because all the steam and oculus account would never update by that logic
restive shore
Maybe it's just really inconsistent
covert blade
And the people I have friended who are using a Steam account do have their Last Online Since X thing updated
restive shore
Yeah, that's a good point too
covert blade
But it is inconsistent, yeah
I've had people go offline and it instantly said last online three days ago
restive shore
It's probably meant to be last online, but it doesn't always track properly
faint skiff
It's not accurate for literally anyone in my friends list.
restive shore
From my experience with the API so far, that wouldn't be the only thing I'd qualify as "inconsistent"
😛
covert blade
I wasn't saying that it is, but it is definitely updating from just being ingame. Just not always it seems
restive shore
Considering one of my most active friends says "20 days", I'd hazard a guess that it depends on what you're doing and how you're doing it, whether it registers properly or not.
covert blade
I could probably debug that a lil with my alt account
restive shore
I might try that just for science too
covert blade
Log in ingame, logout, look at the website
normal phoenix
Hullo
covert blade
Hallo
vocal shard
Hello
queen canyon
hi
gilded plover
Hello people
queen canyon
hello
vocal shard
i think i cant use VRChat XD
im way to shy °-°
vocal shard
lul
i tryed it XD
i had a break from july 2018 to now
and i just can say "Hi"
im to shy to talk normal xD
tame berry
gotta love when your friends fall asleep on you in vrchat
cold slate
Hello everyone
vocal shard
hellu
molten gale
Half a year ago I was unable to make friends as well
errant hare
and now Paci is pro
molten gale
?
vocal shard
lul, well im could get friends. if i wouldn´t be that shy :C
molten gale
Oh trust me I was super shy back then
indigo fern
He evolved and now he's swimming in friends
Click here to find out how, doctors hate him
restive shore
@vocal shard Just practice being social
Whatever that means to you
Just try to push yourself a little more each time and it'll get easier
A lot of people don't talk. Though, it's a bit harder to get away with it if you don't have VR.
vocal shard
i already try it.
but the Problem is: i cant speak english that well. i understand it realy good. but cant speak it that well.
and some guys call me Nazi if i told them im from germany sooo its hard, realy hard :X
errant hare
restive shore
Those people are just asses. Anyone who's like that probably isn't worth your time anyway.
desert stratus
who the hell is calling you a nazi because you're german? 0 0 thats fucked
vocal shard
some british pll called me nazi 🤷
errant hare
They were uneducated
restive shore
There's a lot of dicks on VR chat. Gotta just keep trying until you find some chill folks.
vocal shard
and idk why.
restive shore
It also depends a lot on which worlds you go to, and what time you go to them, IME.
desert stratus
u can come join me on vrc later today, im gonna be playing for a brief time about like an hour from now
vocal shard
kk
faint skiff
I have like 6 German friends now, I think geographically they're second only to the Americans.
broken plover
Fun fact: Paci is german too
desert stratus
my username is exactly the same as my discord handle: sOlarApple
vocal shard
i cant understand why so many guys calls german nazi lol.
well not everyone is a Nazi
ruby needle
Paci is a robit, he global.
desert stratus
and yeah, im friends with a lot of germans
restive shore
There's a lot of Germans, in terms of non-English folk
broken plover
me included
restive shore
Definitely one of the most populous non-English demos
desert stratus
@broken plover 
vocal shard
i try to learn english from VRC 😄
restive shore
I definitely know your struggle though, I'm pretty new myself. It's really hard to get that first foot in the door, when you don't know anyone.
molten gale
Got used to people calling me nazi
restive shore
And there's a lot of dicks.
You kind of just have to practice putting yourself out there, and just brushing it off if it doesn't work.
ruby needle
wait what
restive shore
It'll get easier, the more you do it.
vocal shard
yeah i think so too
restive shore
Especially if you can find someone to invite you to a private/friends+ world. That seems to be where most of the genuine socializing seems to get done, from what I've seen
Public worlds are a really mixed bag.
vocal shard
https://prnt.sc/q0qbbv there u can see. i already Tyred it for 200 hours
errant hare
Yeah, enter public worlds at your own risk
vocal shard
and the next problem is:
my PC is realy bad at VRChat. often i have extremly lags, because of my CPU :/
restive shore
Yeah, if you have a hard time talking, you're probably going to have a hard time getting anyone to notice you in normal socializing-centric worlds.
You'll probably have a lot better luck in game worlds, which will basically force people to interact with you.
vocal shard
yeah, but with a bad PC like mine its hard to join a work with many ppl
im starting to lag pretty fast
restive shore
It'd probably be harder to meet people in worlds with too many people anyway.
The more people in a world, the less any single person stands out.
vocal shard
i always try to join worlds with maximum of 10 ppl, because then i have 60fps left. with more its falling down to 20-30
vocal shard
my CPU is from 2011 as well
pale timber
i7 2600
vocal shard
and steam said in the VR test its good for VR, but my graphic is to bad
AMD Athlon II x4 640 (4x 3Ghz)
restive shore
Make sure you turn off all the extra avatar effects and stuff you don't need in the safety settings too.
pale timber
lol
vocal shard
i have the safty that i jsut see the avatars. not more
restive shore
Honestly, if VR Chat (or PC gaming at all) is something you're interested in, I'd say it might be worth in investing in a better graphics card.
You could probably grab something really cheap that'd do you a lot more justice.
vocal shard
i want to buy a AMD RX 580 8gb or a GTX 1050TI
restive shore
Yeah, something like that would be MILES better
ruby needle
thats actually below recommendation tho
broken plover
the 580 is better
ruby needle
1060 6gb version would be go to minimum
vocal shard
my new PC would be like that:
- AMD Ryzen 5 2700
- AMD RX580 8gb
- 16gb ddr4 3200Mhz ram
- 250gb SSD and 4tb HDD
pale timber
you need vram
broken plover
the 580 is about the same as a 1060
vocal shard
@ruby needle the RX 580 8gb s better then the 1060 6gb
ruby needle
get a 3rd gen ryzen.
ruby needle
if the RX 580 is better then that then maybe, THO if you do want to use the quest's link feature you might want to be carefull with VR
3rd gen is the newer gen and actually the one you should care about
gen 1 and 2 aren't bad
vocal shard
nah, for PC VR i would buy a Rift S
ruby needle
but gen3 kills it with it's per core performance.
and that one is heavily benefitial for games
vocal shard
yeah but its cost over 2 times more then the 2nd gen
errant hare
not really
ruby needle
you dont need the high end model.
errant hare
6 core would be enough, Ryzen 3600 was it?
errant hare
Oh, thats quite a difference
vocal shard
im buying my PC things on mindfactory
ruby needle
if its cheaper on the A then... why?
all big stores are fine. i buy where the price is right
vocal shard
ok now its at 194€
vocal shard
and the Ryzen 5 2600 at 149
ruby needle
these are interestingly gigantic differences
300 on MF, 250 on Amazon, 200 on CaseKing
what's going on there 
vocal shard
nah it got cheeper. its at 194€ now
ruby needle
see
errant hare
aye sir @vocal shard
vocal shard
because i just ordered one for 300 bucks
i only have a 1050 in my pc and it doesnt run my oculus
the broken graphics due to my 1050 blinded me for like 10 minutes it was so trippy
oh
the 1660 is supposed to come today and i hope it comes soon because i wanna be able to use my vr asap
errant hare
You've got the better version of vr sickness it seems
vocal shard
wdym
errant hare
That you just want to play it badly instead of feeling nauseus (I know tis is misspelled) or want to throw up
vocal shard
i mean im playing desktop until i get the card bc im gonna put it in when i get it then recalibrate my oculus so i can use it
im using the Desktop low version XD
damn
i have a GTX 560 TI lol
I mean you could get a RX 590 fat daddy for 200 bucks on amazon if you wanted good Quality
twin fractal
Are u getting rx580?
twin fractal
It's it's very good for the price
vocal shard
yeah
i watched many vids about it
I rlly dont understand british money
whats with the comma
715€ and 23 cent
and british is punds
broken plover
british is just like any other currency... (and € is euro)
broken plover
we just use a comma instead of a dot
broken plover
then you should know the difference between comma and dot because we also use commas...
vocal shard
germans us a comma as well
Im just an uncultured boy
the dot is by things like 1.000€
sharp berry
i cant join one world it is up but it keep sending me home
i get on this world about everyday
i cant even make a new world or a privet one of it
i cant even join if i get a invite to the world
vocal shard
thats hecca money
and 1.000,1€ = 1000€ and 1 cent
2/3 of the price of my computer
mines 1500
Im watching my front door camera waiting for my package to come 
🤣
xD
does the rift s automatically have body tracking since its covered in camera
s
broken plover
no. The cameras cant even see your body though
vocal shard
the bottom cams can
it has a couple on bottom couple in front and sides and one on top]
broken plover
but not that good. Not good enough to do body tracking. And imagine what would happen if you would look up
vocal shard
it has leap motion
broken plover
No it doesnt
broken plover
hows that that the same thing? xD
vocal shard
does the exact same stuff
broken plover
No pass through is just a camera that lets you see your real world in vr. Leap motion tracks your hands. Those are 2 completeley different things
vocal shard
no for the rift s it tracks your hands
restive shore
The cameras on the oculus aren't normal cameras. They're IR cameras.
broken plover
No thats the quest
restive shore
They track the IR output of the controllers
Unless your body is outputting IR rays, they have no idea where your body is.
errant hare
@vocal shard I have Rift S and I can tell you it does not track your body and also it cannot track your hands without controllers
aye Paci German
vocal shard
Paci is a person
thats on three diff levels of innapropriate Paul
I feel bad for them not being treated like a human being. It's kind of disrespectful
wild stag
🍆
umbral reef
Robots also have rights so dw
ruby needle
pale timber
o
vocal shard
oof thats what i call devotion to character
that takes skill
the kind not many people have
hope u had a great day ^O^
unkempt zealot
hello
vocal shard
yo
unkempt zealot
im new here
vocal shard
same
im new on this discord as well ^^
will someone teach me to make avatars please
unkempt zealot
mostly im looking for people who do roleplays
vocal shard
fun
unkempt zealot
yea
vocal shard
I dont have many friends tho so i never get to
unkempt zealot
what gender are u
vocal shard
Male
unkempt zealot
im girl
vocal shard
I can tell by your pfp
unkempt zealot
.-.
vocal shard
imma dm u
unkempt zealot
okay
vocal shard
pale timber
o
broken plover
w
pale timber
no
broken plover
owyes
vocal shard
nico did u watch video
broken plover
no
vocal shard
watch it
broken plover
I did
vocal shard
u understand now
plush cove
what about vrchat but in raytracing?
pale timber
wouldn't work with how worlds are created and imported
plush cove
i did some reasearches and theres a raytracing plugin for unity 2019.3b
vocal shard
Most worlds have baked lighting
plush cove
lets make it an option then
pale timber
hf frying your cpu
plush cove
ya tellin me that a pc is capable of minecraft raytracing with 4000+x4000+ resolution textures but not for vrchat?
vocal shard
Vrchat struggles enough on most systems.
We're all trying to push as much optimization as possible
Hi
errant hare
@plush cove There is (or was) a world in VRChat called Box RTX which supposedly had ray tracing or some other method implemented that made the entire room reflect a lot of light
broken plover
minecraft runs on the java engine and vrchat runs on the unity engine
vocal shard
anyone wanna play murder mystery 2 with me
I mean Minecraft also probably doesn't render 56 materials per block either 
pale timber
and minecraft has a render distance. vrc loads everything
summer sage
hey strangers and non strangers
grand kite
hello i'm new here
ruby needle
hello new here, im FPaul
grand kite
dad?
pale timber
no i'm dad
grand kite
hi rin, you're dad
pale timber
no i'm dad
broken plover
no youre mom
grand kite
i'm scared
pale timber
hi dad i'm mom
grand kite
hi mom, i'm scared
pale timber
ok
grand kite
ok
broken plover
ok
plush cove
@ebon leaf not funny, Didnt laugh 🙂
ebon leaf
Hello.
plush cove
trinna scare me huh?
ebon leaf
no.
summer sage
plush cove
stop dm'ing me
ebon leaf
the code?
plush cove
nah
ebon leaf
okay
vocal shard
What?