We have a automatic performance hiding system, complaints about this kinda stuff is moot imo
#vrchat-general-2
frosty veldt
molten gale
Theres a reason you can hide avatars or even hide based on performance
rigid crescent
Just use the performance settings, since you don't keep up with the game's updates you can go ahead and check out the info here https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system#section-minimum-displayed-performance-rank
ruby needle
Did that avatar get any rank or is it just generally there for now?
umbral reef
And systems like dbone limiter and particle limiter also
ruby needle
Cus, it beeing submitted is one thing, but i'd be suprised if that would get any price.
rigid crescent
enjoy the kick, bye :3
umbral reef
Insulting the people who actually got optimized as shit avatars
frosty veldt
No need to project your inability to optimize lmao
feral ginkgo
So what you're saying is there has been update and communication coming from staff telling / explaining why not to use badly optimized avatars and how to fix it only to promote that later in some kind of contest?
rigid crescent
When was it promoted?
feral ginkgo
Right about now as we speak, it's in the hub world
umbral reef
Atleast your making a stereotype fitting...
Ow shit i totally forgot i made that avatar and uploaded it and not some stranger in game woopsies. Its totallly an avatar made by this chat
rigid crescent
I think I've got like 50 transforms lol really not that bad
frosty veldt
Depends on the animations and hidden stuff, performance is based on idle running which we can't determine anymore
rigid crescent
I love when people come in complaining about something that isn't true then get mad when called out
feral ginkgo
Bottom line is there was a communication coming from staff itself, talking about avatar performance and now it's flipped back to what it was, basically ignoring all of that
umbral reef
And go to personal insults because we point out there 5head thinking
feral ginkgo
No one is mad here, just asking why is it like that and then what was the point of fighting bad perf avatars?
umbral reef
Dude, you literally called me a mong.
You have no right to speak about bullying
rigid crescent
What did I assume? You DID come in and say something factually incorrect. There's no poly limit.
frosty veldt
First insult came from you champ lol
rigid crescent
I'm guessing because back then there were no tools to prevent seeing these models.
But with the performance minimums, we're able to control what we see so it means the staff doesn't have to
feral ginkgo
No Mic_Sounders, I mean the communication that came with or soon after that update
molten gale
Mmmm yes its big brain time
umbral reef
@feral ginkgo They stopped fighting performance stuff after they stopped checking avatar worlds and added the avatar cloning system.
They removed most limits by default and just gave you the option to self moderate whats fine and what not
feral ginkgo
Aight, haven't been up to speed then, guess we will play in a world full of gray blobs
frosty veldt
Which is better, as people just editing sdks to go around limits. No real reason to edit it anymore besides malicious stuff
umbral reef
You cna disable lose systems like dynamic bones or just there shaders (a fallback shader will be used that overall better performing)
rigid crescent
Without applying limits (which no one wants) to players models, there's no way to really moderate every single avatar, even if SDK modification wasn't possible
Most don't.
frosty veldt
Polys are the least malicious thing you can do
umbral reef
Should have seen the death threaths that happened when they added some limits in the past
rigid crescent
So more tools to educate users would be the better route.
umbral reef
@frosty veldt Yes but actually no
feral ginkgo
Most can't make avatars and thus shouldn';t be allowed to unless they spend some time to understand how to properly make them or at least edit them
rigid crescent
Because most people are ignorant of what is and isn't bad
You want them to bend for you though?
Can you make up your mind? You're a bit confusing
frosty veldt
@umbral reef I understand they can be bad, but comparing to other things polys are lower on the "oh shit imma crash" aspect
feral ginkgo
Death threats from frustrated teenager that can't get his mesh crasher in the game to be a cool kid, why is it worrying
umbral reef
For crashing yes, for performance? Nah
They can be just as bad as other things
frosty veldt
U right
feral ginkgo
Information regarding performance was meant to be changed into hard lock
As far as I'm aware
rigid crescent
We have the tools to self moderate. That's continuous steps in the right direction. More information on why optimization is a thing and how to do it (official info not guides by randos that vary from source to source) would be a much bigger help. But no one actually wants limits imposed.
Hard lock? I don't think that was ever t heir intent
You can see lots of examples as far as 2014 of thme wanting as much freedom as reasonably possible
umbral reef
Id point again at how we just got insulted for stating actual facts and being on the same side of shit should be optimized.
think of that but like a times 1000
rigid crescent
and with the proper self-moderation tools we have, "Reasonably Possible" is a pretty big leap
feral ginkgo
Oclac sorry to pop your safe bubble
rigid crescent
What...
I don't get it, are you defending the idea that people who state facts shoudl be attacked just because the other party doesn't like them?
umbral reef
Got damn it would be nice to be this dense @rigid crescent
rigid crescent
I know 
Nothing we've said here, as far as I'm aware, is incorrect nor has anyone actually given any proof to the contrary. Just "I don't like it, so it should be this way."
Which is fine, but it doesn't make you right...
feral ginkgo
Mic_Sounders regarding self moderation - wish it worked on modded client users too
feral ginkgo
But since everyone is running modded client these days this tool is essentially ineffective
umbral reef
Against crashing yea, for performance it works aye owkay
rigid crescent
I mean for me it's worked against crashing since it was introduced 
I did notice that all I had to do to appear to someone with max safety was quickly swap between avatars, but i couldn't replicate it so I just assume it was a fluke
umbral reef
There are/where some unavoidable crashing/loggingout/sendinghome tools
They often get patched for a while but just return later
rigid crescent
i did a swap to fix my full body and he was like "uhhh do you have a client? why can I suddenly see you?"
so there are some goofs with it, but i doubt constant enough to be a huge issue
feral ginkgo
There is supposed to be some kind of marketplace for models too, right?
frosty veldt
Soon TM
umbral reef
Nothing official about that so far
frosty veldt
Just speculation due to them wanting to hire someone for virtual currency
umbral reef
Unless you mean the Vmarket or what it was called again. Thats also not ran by VRchat itself.
feral ginkgo
Hopefully they can fix plaintext model access before they get to monetization then, I guess
rigid crescent
I think they mentioned it in a dev stream.
umbral reef
Well thats just speculation 🤷
feral ginkgo
Nah, no vket
frigid citrus
Just ran into the greatest avatar I've ever seen.
umbral reef
We know how the team works, unless we have actually blog about it we wont get it for sure.
frosty veldt
All I know is I can't take part cuz copyrights lol
rigid crescent
They want a marketplace and currency for creators. I don't imagine there'll be many and plenty of the "modelmakers" will be tilted when their wolfboys don't make the cut for not being original modeling lol
frigid citrus
feral ginkgo
The problem with marketplace will be the same as with vmarket - how many models from vmarket do you see in VRChat and how many of them do you think were actually bought
rigid crescent
A lot, and a lot
frosty veldt
Mic uses one lol
frosty veldt
One of my friends bought 2
rigid crescent
? I've personally convinced about 8 people to buy one from an artist I like lol I know plenty are bought
molten gale
A friend bought me my main model
umbral reef
Fair bit of japanese players i know bought something from it
rigid crescent
I don't know many JP friends who haven't honestly
umbral reef
Mainly shaders though
frosty veldt
It's obviously successful as it's the 3rd vket to happen
rigid crescent
THere's more people who enjoy supporting artists in VRC than you think.
umbral reef
Western culture loves to shit on artist though
molten gale
Theres so many good models
umbral reef
Also not there main target for a reason...
feral ginkgo
There's more people who steal shit, even without modded client than you know but somehow you fail to acknowledge that and I think it partly adds to the problem, clueless userbase = just swipe it under the rug
rigid crescent
Most people don't even know it's a paid asset to be honest, they just see anime and thinks its antoher model
I personally see zero issue with stealing shitty wolfboy MMDs because they're all made from stolen assets to begin with.
umbral reef
'Ow no they stole my public model that i got staight from Deviantart!'
molten gale
The only models I use are either allowed to be edited or bought for me
frosty veldt
I've had some guy call me a thief for my game rips
feral ginkgo
What about dozens of V-Ket models that I've seen while playing game for maybe 30 minutes daily that are clearly not bought (judging by how poor in quality they got compared to original)
So you're basically okay with stealing
molten gale
Ngl the vrket model I use has bad performance
rigid crescent
Booth models? No. RAndom MMD/TDA kitbashes? sure.
lunar cedar
TDA is pretty much copyleft, how is it theft? Though everyone using a TDA nude or sexually is breaking the license @remote locust
rigid crescent
But I've actively sent reports and emails to Booth artists when I see their things go into public worlds, and they're on spot with it for the most part since i've seen worlds go down for it.
the JP community is definitely taking notice more and more lately on their stuff being made public
molten gale
Yay for supporting artists
feral ginkgo
At least that part is promising, I'm making my own models from scratch so if I can license them in any way and staff will do something about it, it's already better than nothing
umbral reef
Models like that? No, thats stealing from an artist and id refer you staight towards why v-ket is aimed at japanese players and not westerners who often act like cunts towards artists.
TDA copy pasted, color changed, deviant art yoinked stuff? I wont lose sleep over that at all
@feral ginkgo They do act upon copyright notices. They have to else they can get in deep shit.
So no worries about that, hardest part is finding the persons using it
rigid crescent
Yeah if you can provide proof it's actually yours they're pretty good about removing it, it's why you don't see many people just walk around freely in bigger user's personal from-scratch models for very long
Plenty will slip through the cracks, you obviously can't punish someone if you never catch them doing it in the first place.
Sure you can.
Provide proof of its creation? The fact it's uploaded to your account first?
However they do it, they manage just fine because I can't say I've seen many people's personal from-scratch models go unremoved for long
I mean it'll just get removed? So...
How would they do that if AAA companies can't?
frosty veldt
It's impossible to stop ripping, no point in trying
rigid crescent
Until you get caught, sure?
umbral reef
If you can ever think of a system or product that can do that. Dont tell us, go staight to all the pattent agencies and pattent that shit. Start selling it and ignore us because you will be a bilionare fast
molten gale
Well it would be possible to pervent forcecloning but the way vrchat works they cant fix it
rigid crescent
SOmeone ripping my personal model and using it in private, to me, is a bit of "if a bear shits in the woods" kind of deal
umbral reef
@molten gale Even without that there are ways
feral ginkgo
You don't have to prevent ripping, prevent people from accessing the tools to do that though
umbral reef
And how can they do that? Rebuild unity so all tools wont work?
frosty veldt
People make new tools then, or protect the ones they have
feral ginkgo
Right now model access is plain text, so is the IP that people use to DoS later on
molten gale
The way vrchat is set up, the game trusts the client way too much and thats why it cant be fixed
feral ginkgo
You're telling me it's impossible to hide it with current tools then?
rigid crescent
If I've got a personal model and someone is out there with a recolor prancing around it's kind of an issue. While it's shitty, it's not really affecting me them using it forever in only private instances.
frosty veldt
It's a unity game, ripping is rampant on a known engine like this
feral ginkgo
You're telling me it's impossible to turn off Steam debug command (that should be turned off in the first place according to documentation) to stop script kiddies from DoSing your whole connection?
Same goes for model access
umbral reef
That isnt the same as yoinking avatars.
rigid crescent
I thought we were talking about ripping, that's a totally separate argument
feral ginkgo
It very much is, even more so - for taking IP you need tools, for the latter not so much
umbral reef
Wont deny its sad they havent even updated the steams voip system or flat out stopped using it as well it doesnt need it...
But that changes jack shit about avatar stealing
rigid crescent
and once the hole is plugged, there's still tools to rip models. Or are all those halo models i see custom?
feral ginkgo
Yes, because it's not related to it Oclac, lol
What I said is that ripping is even easier than grabbing IP
umbral reef
And you want them to do what to prevent ripping?
Like actually throwing a solution might help instead of saying they should fix it
feral ginkgo
Wish I could send it to moderation but I already heard backlash stories and people getting banned for trying to help
umbral reef
Unless your an unsufferable cunt about giving them information they wont mind.
And even then, you got to push the rules far.
rigid crescent
Those people rarely just "send things to moderation" I've known people like that personally and they're rarely just "Trying to help"
feral ginkgo
I might do it from anonymous account then
People that helped expand on avatar creation greatly, mainly in animation department got banned here, caught in the crossfire and without any explanation
umbral reef
Talking about Rokk?
feral ginkgo
Rokk omegalul, no
frosty veldt
Even safeguards to ripping can get bypassed, that's the main issue. Im not against them making it a little harder to rip stuff to prevent the masses but I don't want the devs Ina fucking arms race with with rippers
rigid crescent
Again, people exploit first, then try and help after. Rarely are they just "The good guys"
feral ginkgo
I have no reason to exploit that though, every single avatar I poop from Blender will be better than 90% of Miku faces, wolfboys etc.
Not being humble but it is what it is
rigid crescent
i mean the whole discovery of animation overrides was some hacky mess initially wasnt it? that dude's still around. same with the guy who figured out touching other models without modded clients
umbral reef
@frosty veldt Even the biggest titles from the biggest devs get ripped and they have invested way more then we can guess into preventing that from happening.
feral ginkgo
Because it's at least original in a way that I made it
umbral reef
Well any avatar that isnt a default 'MMD' avatar is better so
feral ginkgo
I stumbled upon it while trying to defend myself from DoS attacks
Or rather finding how they do it in order to prevent it
frosty veldt
@umbral reef Most games I play have no anti "rip at runtime" from what I've noticed. However custom game engines usually lack decompilers
umbral reef
But if i can ask, who got banned from here then?
rigid crescent
If they just banned everyone who came up with something cool simply for that fact then there'd be a lot more people who are gone.
So there's at least some amount of false info going around about people "just trying to help" being banned
umbral reef
@frosty veldt Not all games have this problem but most still do, just takes longer then normal then. One person just needs to invest the time into it VS a whole company vensting loads or money into it
frosty veldt
Worst case I've seen is people getting banned from destiny 2 for ripping. But the banned people would just make new accounts under vpns to rip things
empty flint
I've heard about private avatars being stolen...
kind if upsetting how people dont respect the word "private"
molten gale
lmao
empty flint
I've just joined like a month ago lmao
umbral reef
People steal art all the time on the internet. Its sadly normal and people do not care at all really.
empty flint
^
like someone acknowledged my avatar was on private and still asked me for my avatar (although I said no 3 times and was on the brink of blocking this fool if he continued)
well they havent transformed in to my avatar so I doubt they know how to rip it off
they even tried to bribe me with money to make me enable cloning
like as if I make art for money... right now it's just a simple hobby
I gave up doing commissions/art for others a long time ago so money isnt going to persuade me
rigid crescent
be a part of good communities and you'll likely never be DoS'd or stolen from
Most people are in friends+ lobbies or friends only, straight up private aren't nearly as common
empty flint
private worlds sometimes have douchebags from what I've heard around this Discord server
rigid crescent
Nah, that's not true. Had a good time tlaking to some randos about user-run events in VRC in a void last night
Don't believe anything from here you can't get evidence for, VRC is full of rumors and misinformation sadly, even here
I never said what you're saying was a rumor, why are you so defensive?
empty flint
then again it's down to personal experiences..
vocal shard
Never been ddosed in public... O.O
I really enjoy publics still
frosty veldt
Yeah some guy said that all content would be deleted on the 2018 update. That's called a "rumor" and it's not true
rigid crescent
Same, most people I know haven't, but it does happen. Those people who are attacked are obviously more vocal is all
empty flint
that's like saying every Sonic fan is going to be toxic just because of a few stories or individuals that give the fanbase a bad name
rigid crescent
@empty flint People have this stigma against private lobbies is all, most of the time it's just friends hanging out in friends+ or friends only lbobies though
frosty veldt
It's like getting mad at a dude having a party because he didn't invite the entire city
rigid crescent
There's also this weird anti-social stigma about requesting an invite from people. As if private means they're cut off from the entire world. I've joined "private" worlds that are filled to the brim with people lol
empty flint
mhm I see private instances with like 40 people
frosty veldt
Main problem is no feedback, you can send requests and get nothing back which can feel pretty bad
empty flint
I can see how that's weird/dumb, V-Tuber
rigid crescent
Yeah knowing it's a friends only lobby would be great for that
vocal shard
Luckily some sort of response system seems to be planned
frosty veldt
Yeah one of my friends is in a friends only a lot so he can't accept any request so I've stopped sending them, even though he accepts it if he can
rigid crescent
all in all publics aren't terrible, they're not perfect but my experiences in them are usually only just boring or fun, not much inbetween lol
lunar cedar
yep, pubs definitely require a bit of world hopping to get it right before you stick to one
empty flint
nowhere is perfect, public or not
same with any fanbase, workplace, school or college, non of them is perfect when it comes to the community
you're always going to get douchebags everywhere
rigid crescent
never been dosd or even seen someone dosd, rarely see "normal" crashers after the perf settings, same with the whole IP thing. it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but it's not nearly as widespread as people make it out to be, it's just that people who are made victims are understandably more vocal about it
lunar cedar
I've only been dos'd a single time and that was quite a long time ago. The "steam" method everyone talks about doesn't work and hasn't worked in a long time lol.
molten gale
640 hours, got crashed 1 to 3 times and not ddosed yet and nobody ever stole my avatars apart from a friend who got banned for it
lunar cedar
So far never been crashed by an avatar with 300 hours
umbral reef
And from what i learned from this chat. Its always the same 'type' of person that get ddosed in the end
lunar cedar
oof
empty flint
if I was clever enough I could try to carve/paint my art signature somewhere on my avatar
kinda like how in Toy's Story where Woody had Andy's name written on his shoe
frosty veldt
They can always edit that out though so it doesn't seem worth it imo
lunar cedar
I doubt most avatar thieves have the knowledge to search for or edit a signature out
rigid crescent
Yeah, the people regularly made victims tend to be combative assholes lol doesn't excuse it but it does shed some light on things
empty flint
true I guess it isnt the same was putting your signature in the most obnoxious place in a 2D piece of art
yes JakEne makes a good point
frosty veldt
That's good against people copying blueprints though, but those types of thefts can be remedies by just reuploading under a new one
rigid crescent
if you really wanted to, you could hide it in some channel on a texture
empty flint
some thieves are lazy and try to crop and leave the signature in plain sight if it's in an obnoxious place or dont bother with trying to remove the signature at all even if that signature is in an easy spot
I've seen it in 2D art media
also thieves cant copy your art style so there's probably a chance something would look odd if they did try to remove the signature that's in an obnoxious spot
umbral reef
Tracing 👀
frosty veldt
2D arts main theft problem is just copying the screen in a sense so the watermark makes a difference. Unless your watermark covers intricate detail (which you don't really want imo) they can remove it pretty easily
empty flint
it still requires a good drawing skill to trace properly, Oclac
tracing is actually a method some people use to learn how to draw quickly, as you still have to be aware of any indepth details on that picture you're trying to trace
rigid crescent
hiding a watermark in some weird mesh intricacies is probably better anyway
empty flint
I have seen sloppy tracing before in the Sonic fanbase when people just rip a picture of an existing Sonic character and try to trace/recolour it
frosty veldt
We'll probably get more avatar safety as time progresses. However it's always best to assume that if someone can view a 3D model, they can rip it
lunar cedar
So they made a sanic?
empty flint
maybe
that's cause the Sonic fans that do the tracing is cause they barely have a lot of skills to draw a Sonic character from scratch
vocal shard
empty flint
me I had previous experiences of drawing Sonic and his friends as a kid which is what lead me to be able to draw my own Sonic character without having to use a base or a picture of an existing character to trace/edit
empty flint
and I find it much better because that way I can learn the character better or be able to express the character with what makes the character an individual
vocal shard
Although, I kinda latched onto the glitch character of Ashura. XD
empty flint
I refuse to use bases because I find it limits myself and cant be able to explore the character's personality and such as better than if I was to draw the character from scratch
also you get to try and avoid some flaws that you may have found on existing bases that someone else has made
like my Sonic OC is meant to be short and Im pretty sure there isnt a child Sonic base for Blender to use as there is some things to consider when doing different sized Sonic characters (like the shorter the character is the shorter their arms will be)
I have a gutsy feeling that most of the Sonic bases would be made for teenage/adult Sonic characters
frosty veldt
To me it's fun to fix existing things rather than start from scratch. Don't reinvent the wheel in a sense
empty flint
I just went from scratch for the challenge as well
see what Im capable of and trying to learn what I can do to expand further than what Im capable of
frosty veldt
Obviously from-scratch avatars are more unique, but that's not my main concern usually
empty flint
my avatar is my Sonic OC I did from scratch
frosty veldt
Yeah more power to you honestly. The more scratch avatar creators the better imo
empty flint
and as I said earlier I do art as a hobby
so in a way I did the model from scratch for the funs
Im sort of like a parrot, if it keeps me busy then I'd consider that fun
frosty veldt
Most people make their avatars for fun or to impress
empty flint
though I did have a tutorial video on the side to help me figuring out where to start
frosty veldt
The creation process is enjoyable, at least most of it is
empty flint
someone was making Sonic himself on Blender, I was following along his steps (he was using a a reference image in the background to help him out and I just happen to have a reference sheet I drew like last year of my Sonic OC)
but I was adapting to my own path since my OC has features that Sonic obviously doesnt (such as when he went to do Sonic's back spikes... my Sonic OC has wings there instead of the back spikes you see on Sonic, Silver or Shadow)
rigid crescent
I used to like putting models together but i got so lazy 
nowadays I like texture editing for Booth models a lot more with maybe some quick blender accessory additions
It's interesting how personalized you can make some of those models with just textures alone
empty flint
I suppose that's the same for those who just recolour/slightly edit an existing character in any fiction
potent cedar
i asked awhile ago but still havent found anything, is there a (preferably FOSS) DSP that works on live audio input?
rigid crescent
Yeah for the shirt I use, it's from an album art that an artist I follow has but I managed to get in contact with the person who made it to make sure I had the OK
lunar cedar
DSP is a generic term and I didn't know there were non-live ones
frosty veldt
Texture editing only wasn't enough for me for anime stuff so I usually stuck with base+outfit+hair kinda mix-ups. Nowadays it's either monster girls or warframes
empty flint
though honestly this avatar I've been working on has certainly kept me busy thats for sure
and I have yet to do any fancy custom gestures/emotes for her as well
rigid crescent
it's definitely seeing the different versions of Booth models within JP communities, I've lost count of how many pics I've taken of the base I use with different outfits, hairstyles, ears, etc
empty flint
but I feel in order for me to have any ideas of what custom gestures/emotes I want to do... I'll have to learn how to explore and express her personality more
like I have written up what her personality is like but havent really drew how she would express it in media
rigid crescent
Well at least you know which basics to start with as far as blendshapes go
empty flint
and I feel in order to do that you would have to be in that character's shoes to know what she's capable of and how she responds to the world
frosty veldt
It's always interesting the difference between people with OCs and people without. I have a character that's unique to me but don't treat it like a separate person as many other people treat their models
empty flint
to me learning about a fictional character is like trying to learn about another individual in real life
and understanding what makes them who they are
I suppose bugs have helped me a bit because I have to understand what it's like in the eyes of someone who'd be considered small
if my Sonic OC was real apparently she'd be about the same if not slightly smaller than an average human toddler
frosty veldt
All of my models are an extension of myself. If they had a separate personality it would be an identical copy of my personality. It's interesting to see the difference in ideas in this kinda area though as it varies wildly
empty flint
my OC is more opposite than I would be
she's supposed to be more adventurous due to the curious part of her nature so she's usually an outdoor person
vocal shard
My OC is more outgoing than me, and somehow I slip into that role when in VR. The avatar feels like me when im in game
empty flint
whilst me sometimes I prefer to stay in my comfort zone which is my own house haha
rigid crescent
Yeah for me I personally want something "unique" to me in the sense that, no matter what, someone always knows it's me coming into the room. It's a bit of a foreign concept to me that some people don't care about having a personal identity as far as models go, but ive got nothing against it
empty flint
my OC wouldnt hesitate to travel far from home to explore, but me I feel nervous the thought of doing that
frosty veldt
Yeah I usually avoid public avatars as they aren't mine, feels like wearing someone else's clothes
umbral reef
My avatar identity is really just anything that has: Point sticks also known as horns , white or close to white and some dumb animation
vocal shard
Same mic... Kinda more so even now. I've started cracking down on friends who had a copy of my avatar and giving them like their own edit. So my personal one is still unique to me
rigid crescent
Yeah even when starting, I didn't play more than 30 minutes or so without putting together my first kitbash
empty flint
and each of my characters including the Sonic OC Im talking about is born with an elemental power that lays dormant until later when they learn how to awaken it..
rigid crescent
It was an old popular maid outfit, hair from a not-so-mainstream MMD, and some other parts i found
vocal shard
Yeah, I made an avatar the first day I started playing. Trying to use blender with no prior experience, and before Cats... 
empty flint
my Sonic OC's is Light.. kind of a summery element.. perhaps I could make her have a blanket that she wraps herself with as a custom emote/gesture
umbral reef
Tbh id love to get my own OC but i really just cant think of anything that would fit me :notlikethis:
empty flint
especially now winter's on its way, maybe my OC feels less active in winter times than in summer due to lack of daylight
frosty veldt
Don't need to see it as an OC at first, just something that's cool and uniqur
umbral reef
Even that is too hard :'o
shell zinc
just be a goat
frosty veldt
Then as it gets more complicated an nuanced over time I guess it could be an OC. I've never talked about my models as OCs even if they fit the criteria
rigid crescent
Yeah, save for my first model I wouldn't consider any of the others an OC, just a unique representation that I've liked
empty flint
maybe this blanket would teach me how to make an item appear in animation through Unity? who knows
rigid crescent
I've only just started designing something I actually want to be an OC recently so it'll probably be my "final" endgame model once all is said and done.
empty flint
but I've never done 3D animation on Blender or even Unity (as I've never used Unity before for anything until a few weeks ago when I just joined VRChat)
frosty veldt
Most recent work I've done on an OC is a half spider half human with like, 5 armatures to it walks right
empty flint
I have a big character sheet journal on DeviantArt about this Sonic OC... I feel she's unique enough to be considered an OC
rigid crescent
I'm working on finishing the basic design and references before sending it off to an artist to have the first drafts to work with commisisoned
empty flint
yes she has wings and she's supposed to be shorter than Sonic, Silver or Shadow despite her age being close to Silver or Sonic's (and those three hedgehogs are same height with each other apparently), but to me the interior (aka personality, backstory etc.) makes the character separated from the rest
like more than what the exterior (aka design) can do
empty flint
whats up :3
frosty veldt
I've never had someone else work on my models for me but I've worked on other people's OCs. It's hard work getting what they want from paper to model though
empty flint
doing fine
rigid crescent
Just some basic parts I'm able to draw, the rest is a ton of references i've gotten together and im using a basic humanoid TDA front and back shot to show where i want things to go
empty flint
ok got the lips working on my avatar... I guess I'll sort the blinking out some other time
I may have to actually use this tutorial video and animate her blinking if I have to come to that
rigid crescent
Yeah I've been trying to get as many photo references for things im not able to draw or describe well enough so hopefully it goes pretty smoothly
empty flint
for now I guess I'll just edit her model a bit on Blender ready for Halloween, cause why not!
frosty veldt
If anything needs to be done from scratch the 3 sided Ortho view is always best if you can manage that
empty flint
and after Halloween I'll use what time I have in November to do a Christmas
maybe she can be Santa's little helper aka wear Green like an elf and Sonic can be the santa I guess, my OC looks up to Sonic as a big brother despite the two not being related at all
rigid crescent
yeah ive got a ton of character references for accessories, hairstyles, etc to make sure its all covered. ive been looking into what artists like to get when doing OC design for customers to try and get it all
empty flint
also... speaking of animations
if I were doing separate projects for different holiday themes and I do animation scripts or something for the default in Unity, is it possible I can do a copy and paste kind of deal and dup those scripts on to the other separate projects
or would I really have to manually do the same animation scripts for each separate project
rigid crescent
You can just copy the animation assuming the armature is the same
empty flint
sweet
cause Im not good at trying to repeat the same thing as accurately as possible the next time I do something
rigid crescent
Yeah I've been using the same hand animations for like...a year
frosty veldt
@rigid crescent Things that made my life easier were exact color pallets, ortho views, and general specificity instead of vagueness.
rigid crescent
over a dozen or so models
empty flint
like whenever I try to design some anime eyes in the sketchbook for a human-like character and then try to draw them again on the character's face... doesnt always work well with trying to get them as good as the first try xD
rigid crescent
Yeah the color palletes were the last thing I was gonna work on since i've more or less got the upper body and head done, just need to work on the bottom half
empty flint
though I still dont feel confident doing human-like characters that isnt actually a Sonic character
but practise makes perfect as they say
I may lack in confidence but when I want to I'll try to overcome that and just try
frosty veldt
I can't for the life of me do anything 2D so I usually skip the planning phase lol
empty flint
and if Im not satisfied with the results I try again and again...
but then again Im never 100% satisfied with things I do in art
cause no matter how confident you are with your art skills there's always room for improvement on something or more things to explore with the topic
like how I am with this avatar, despite the fact I've successfully modelled her in Blender and got her rigged up to becoming a usable avatar in VRChat, I still feel there's more to offer of what I can do to add/improve of what I have
it's no wonder Im not bored with art yet cause there's so much it offers
frosty veldt
Last night I was working on a model that I started working on May of last year. You can always go back and work on the old stuff
empty flint
also I feel it gives you a taste of how tricky it must be for the game developers like SEGA and Gamefreak with their products
someone on VRChat just now said to me "Im sure the franchise would get better" as if he's expecting that I have lost hope for SEGA
when really I do appreciate SEGA for trying and to me it's the thoughts that counts (like the Sonic avatar customization on Sonic Forces)
so what if they had glitches like in Sonic 06? no one's perfect and when you feel like you're being rushed or something, it isnt easy to have to work whilst dealing with that
vocal shard
Have you seen the 2005 build of sonic 06, before they had to restart and were rushed. It looks better than modern sonic games
empty flint
I actually didnt mind many of the modern Sonic games
I actually have Sonic Forces on Steam but because I've been distracted with many other things I havent played on it as much
vocal shard
I like most of them... Forces feels a bit too restrictive compared to like generations, or daytime unleashed. The customization is cool
Forces feels slower and more on rails than the others in some ways
But overall, it was a good attempt
empty flint
sometimes when I get a game Im hyped to getting my hands on I have that habit where I dont want to rush in and complete the game sooner after I got it
I like to enjoy doing hobbies like video gaming at my own pace cause if I complete them quicker than I'd like to, I'd probably burn out very quickly
same with VRChat or my model
I do take breaks so I dont risk burning myself out by playing with other things like Minecraft
ok time to make my OC ready for Halloween owo
shell zinc
good luck
empty flint
I usually save the blender file of her model where the materials werent atlassed so if I want to edit her a bit or change her colours, I feel this allows me to do so easily
still hill
hi
faint skiff
Hmm, I think I was just DoS'd in the pug...
tacit plank
When will that stupid "1 item spawned per second" limitation get removed?
indigo fern
Probably wont
It was put in place around the time client people were spawning in hundreds of video players
whole gust
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 6849 users in VRChat currently
oblique igloo
vernal coyote
servers getting ddos'd again?
restive latch
I think so.
ruby needle
Not sure if servers have issues atm, but even if dont claim something is a DDOS when it's nothing confirmed.
ancient depot
I'm having issues with it atm
crude steeple
it's a valid assumption at this point tbh
fiery ferry
Blue man for everyone!
crude steeple
lol
ruby needle
There is no confirmed DDOS
vocal shard
@ruby needle "not sure" pretty sure they are having issues rn, but its very unlikely to be a ddos
rigid crescent
yeah, can confirm issues
ruby needle
Was the first report by that time, so i cant say they have at that moment.
Now it's clear ^^
upbeat basin
yep, the servers pooped themselves, the cause of the problem is not known though. The repeated pattern makes it likely to be DDoS,but it also might be a natural server overload due to relatively high traffic in the NA region
vocal shard
ah i was guessing you had some kind of internal monitoring that alerts you all when hundreds of users drop simultaneously
weak lantern
avatar issues still
upbeat basin
Fusl that monitoring exists afaik, but the people are not getting disconnected so its relatively hard to recognize that theres issues
undone sierra
You have to close out and open VRC if your avatar wont load
it was something weird
That worked for everyone I was online with
night crane
I'll tell my friends and try it, hopefully it works
quiet mica
vocal shard
@upbeat basin say that again please https://i.imgur.com/c9cJ2nq.png
also https://i.imgur.com/yPVVXEJ.png looks pretty solid to me and i guess the vrchat team has or at least should have something similar :)
true timber
Anyone else having trouble loading into worlds right now?
Just stuck on the Initializing World screen
rancid nova
every night now...
true timber
finally got sent to a public default home but cant even change avatars, stuck as a loading blue man now
damn, always seems to happen around the same time at night
cinder sphinx
sucks
vocal shard
just finished up a Hunter
molten kestrel
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 4647 users in VRChat currently
turbid torrent
How do you launch worlds from a link?
Whenever I try on my browser it comes up with 'You'll need to open this with vrchat" and it only gives me the option of 'Look for an app in the Microsoft Store"
I can't get it to launch in VRChat
I've tried on Chrome, Brave, Internet explorer and microsoft edge
lunar cedar
You need to launch the program that adds the registry entries. It's that program that launches every time you close vrchat (assuming you didn't delete it like me)
turbid torrent
How do I do that
lunar cedar
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\VRChat\install.bat" . Wherever you installed vrchat and I could be getting the bat file name wrong
turbid torrent
so I open that bat file and then click the link?
I'm still confused
Okay,I think I got it now
Thanks
grizzled dome
!online
vocal shard
Launching from website worked for me once then didn't
floral flaxBOT
There are 4355 users in VRChat currently
vocal shard
Good thing to see this isn't just me tho
valid void
it's fixed you have to restart your vrchat and it's fixed
winter cargo
I need help
VRChat wont let me change to any avatars other than ones ive favorited
Is there a way to fix this
smoky burrow
Is broken
agile grove
vrchats down again
royal panther
That makes how many times it's broke in a week
rigid crescent
3?
fringe shoal
servers seem fine now I was able to join an instance and people's avatars are loading in
vocal shard
👌
solemn roost
Look for the insignia. Follow my clues. 👁
summer crater
faint skiff
You can't follow a clue when it doesn't go anywhere. Randomly putting a logo on maps with no link to each other isn't "followable"...
shell zinc
logo funny owo
molten gale
lul
silent bloom
why do so many people bring avatars that take over the whole screen? like wtf, i wanna see what im doing
faint skiff
Because many people are assholes, unfortunately.
silent bloom
its always the people that are user or above
rarely new or visitor
yea as ive said, when i do come across them its users +, so if i do that then i blank out a majority
faint skiff
Just disable custom animations, solves 99% of issues
I've only experienced one screen-abuse shader since disabling custom animations (and I spend most my time in busy publics) so I'd say it works quite well.
I assume the abusive one I saw was designed purely to annoy people as it was literally something that runs at all times, as soon as the avatar loads (just fills the screen with teeth and blurs everything so you can't even see the menu).
silent bloom
thats what i call, the average box visitor
pseudo basalt
If you hang out in the box you have it coming
desert stratus
just dont go to box or open mic night and ur good
rigid crescent
faint skiff
This was in the Black Cat, btw.
desert stratus
suorry, i cant read english ^ ^`
twin fractal
My first experience in the box were two kids bragging about crashing "no avatars" and having my game freeze when some tattood wolf kid came in blasting trap music and effects
faint skiff
Sounds about right.
errant hare
My first exp in the box was seeing people talk and showing off their avatars close to a wall and it made me curious why they all stand there when there is so much space available, ofcourse it turned out there is a mirror there, mostly pretty normal avatars were there plus two with some animations and sounds that were probably some memes
steel ether
Fuckimg hell i got strep throat
silent bloom
at least it aint 5 boys erp-ing
pure hemlock
I just got over strep throat, sorry to hear 😦
radiant herald
Woot! Figured out the language puzzle in VrHub
molten gale
Do not post the same statement across multiple channels please
patent haven
Excuse you
glad bolt
silent bloom
think its in rum ham or so
slate verge
yeah its from rum ham
tulip topaz
What about the bunny girl avatar with the anonymoose song on its emotes
Nvm found it
sharp inlet
Not if i found it first
tulip topaz
One last question
Where’s the goku avatar with the “ Hey hey it’s me goku” thing built in
pastel forum
anyone wanna play vrc with me
languid beacon
They're neat but they really need more hair options. https://i.imgur.com/CQEBNrm.png
glad bolt
Might wanna copy that, delete it here and paste that instead in #user-support-old
glad bolt
Well, for shame! D:I
languid beacon
Any escape the room maps that don’t turn into math questions
lunar cedar
lol, never knew that was what they were about. Math is cool though
native tartan
hello
sullen elk
Hello @native tartan
deft basin
Blows
sullen elk
😂
shell harness
Any good horror map that are actually scary and are not short?
vocal shard
(and not just random jumpscares with screamers)
blazing fox
yea BORING. I do not really get scared in VR mainly cause i have to teleport so the affects are ruined on me in all those games
vocal shard
I like watching drunk people trip over their cords
lunar cedar
I've done that too many times...
vocal shard
Haha
shell harness
Dayum
teal folio
is it normal to be kicked back to the home world when trying to load lab worlds?
latent spindle
Anyone know if there is a rakan avatar from league or seen one around in any worlds?
slate verge
no, but there is a league of legends world, it may have it
dawn pecan
Sometimes a world fails and you're kicked back, but it should be a rare thing
polar crown
With the index contollers, I used to have to squeeze the grip sensor until it would vibrate to pick things up, but as of recently just having all my fingers curled around the grip sensor will pick things up. I am using the controller binding where I should need to squeeze to pick things up, but it's not working. Are other people having this same issue? Any idea how to solve it?
rough pulsar
Are you using the SteamVR Beta or not?
Either way, you'll want to edit the bindings for the grip so the click is generated by Force rather than Default or Pull
If you're using the beta there's a new binding feature where a force press can trigger the grab, but just a pull (essentially touching the grip zone) will maintain the grab.
polar crown
I am on the beta. Thanks for the info, I'll look into it!
latent spindle
I will have to find it then thanks @slate verge
snow wadi
young sedge
@shell harness try project alice its a good scary map and no jump scare bullshit
shell harness
Currently trying that :3
young sedge
nice
ruby needle
you can if you boost this server 
shell harness
today got the new update for nitro right?
like they change how they boost the servers n stuff.
ruby needle
they changed stuff, yeah
shell harness
young sedge
seems like i can't still login in vrchat
I'm still on the loading loop
even though i can upload avatars fine
shell harness
restart everything lmao
dapper sparrow
nah
young sedge
i am not sure how many people are having this problem right now
shell harness
seem fine for me. but im in asia tho so idk
torn zinc
I wish my friendslist would actually update stats on my friends and tbe world's they in etc.
It once took 2 days for my friends list to update
covert blade
Huh
On the website it works well
Ingame it seems to work by just waiting
Like, open the social tab, WAIT, then after it updated do stuff
torn zinc
@covert blade iv played VRC for like 10 hours straight once, it never updated during that whole thing and I'd need to ask my friends over disc to inv. Me, if I didn't have em on disc then yeah, oh well no friends for you
covert blade
Just do what I said then lol
Open the social tab and dont do anything until it updated. Enverex told me that and hes not having much issues with it since then
young sedge
i mean for me im stuck on a lopping 0% loading screen
is the server down are something?
covert blade
If you move the menu around while it's still updating it'll break usually
rigid crescent
what works for me is the favorites tabs. I noticed friends on my favorites lists will update even when my normal list wont
even the same friend, sometimes.
so if I have Friend X, Y, and Z and only X is in a FAvorites slot, they'll update under Favorites and stay on their old status on the Friends list
covert blade
Huh
sullen elk
How long does it take to get my trust level up?
next dune
Rank is not time based only. You can be playing for 50 hours and still not get ranked up. Just enjoy VRC make some friends. Explore. Ect. Don't bother with the ranks anyways. It's just a color in the end.
glad bolt
Well, really, just New User is enough for uploading. Past that, yeah.
next dune
True ^^
tacit plank
Add lots of trusted users and wait 10 hours or so lol
glad bolt
Lol
tacit plank
Then upload avatars and a world (doesn't have to be public) and bam, trusted user
glad bolt
Pro tips from caffeine. 
next dune
Still doubt that even matters. But then agian nobody really have the anwser on how the system work
tacit plank
I've followed the API and my friends rankings for fun, so I basically have it down I think
I just don't care to keep it secret since anyone can get trusted in no time anyways. I had veteran (highest rank only visible in the API, named system_trust_legend or something) over 1500 hours of playtime ago and can't raise anymore. Modded clients sometimes friend request the entire room at once to raise in rank quicker
If I'm right that you will raise in rank if you have highly ranked friends, then this will cause a chain-reaction raising everybody to raise together. I hope I'm getting this wrong and that the staff are shaking their heads when reading this.
I'm off to bed, night
glad bolt
Ni-ni. Sleep well.
tacit plank
Thanks! Happy halloween everyone
next dune
Worlds and avatar for sure matters. Made myself once 1 world and went from user to known instantly with just 170 hours. Then from the same world to trusted at 255 hours. Not that it matters. Love that appear as user rank button anyways.
Yeah. Phone while at work xS
glad bolt
Ahhh
I believe that appear as User function existed for people with higher ranks to protect themselves from getting their ranks lowered by people blocking them right off the bat. Don't quote me on it, though.
Wait, wait, wait, are you the same Mars from the other night with the wheelchair Spider-Man?
next dune
Most likely not. Havent login on vrc since last sunday
glad bolt
Ah, that's a shame. Would've been hilarious to have met up with the twin I saw here.
sullen elk
Good night @tacit plank. Thanks. I am sure it will happen in time.
I gotta learn how to build worlds and avatars I suppose.
next dune
Well would recommend to make worlds and avatars because you like to do it. Not because you want to rank up
Yeah i bet that would have been fun. We could still meet in VRC one day for sure i guess!
light rock
torn zinc
Tbh rank doesn't rlly matter
kind condor
I have a voice modifier now. Time to use it in VRChat. >:3
silent bloom
glhf
molten gale
Prepare to get nuisanced really quick
mental shuttle
Anyone know some good horror worlds in VRC?
silent bloom
idk but i remember a world with a toucan spitting fruit loops out of its nose as the loops fly around the room
if anyone can say the name there you are
kind condor
Voicemod Pro.
mental shuttle
Does it have fine tuning settings? I tried MorphVOX but for some reason it's broken when I use it in VRC. Sounds fine for me but not to others.
amber otter
I'm really having a lot of problems getting into vrchat...:'c
vocal shard
do you guys know if theres anyway to download a model u uploaded to ur vrchat account lol
rough pulsar
Generally no. You should always keep a copy of your source files.
If you've lost them due to other reasons, well that's what backups are for.
slate verge
@vocal shard technically you would have it in the unity.package as a .fbx file
if i recall it correctly
vocal shard
Hello
covert blade
Greetings
vocal shard
I'm new to vrchat
mental shuttle
Welcome to something amazing. X3
vocal shard
I'm still exploring
Welcome to vrchat
Thank you
I'm always stuck at loading screen
When changing worlds
mental shuttle
that's weird
floral quiver
Ever since me and my friend went to a world 400MB his vrchat constantly crashes after like few minutes. Maybe 2 - 4 mins. He cleared cache. Restarted pc. Its not his vr cas he can run beatsaber completely fine
The world we went to was called Metro 2033 part 1
ruby needle
It's not as easy as saying "but x runs fine" especially since VRChat pushes hardware a lot more.
floral quiver
All we know is his vr is fine bjt we dont know whats causing the crash
ruby needle
For example a RAM issue, when playing a game that doesnt need as much ram and you never reach the bad sector it would run fine, but when VRChat uses more RAM and gets to the sector it might crash
pure hemlock
My experience playing public murder for an hour and a half this afternoon. 6 people being obsenely racist or sexist who got upset when I shot them for being so, and calling me a faggot, and then blocking me because I mute them. 2 of which attempted to crash me first. 2 client hackers screwing up the game or using some kind of hack to kick people out of the room ( getting a message saying half the users agreed to kick them) and a ton of children under 13.
Just thought I'd share. Can we please have an option to mute people without them knowing. Almost everytime I mute someone they get insanely upset and try to crash me or they just block me entirely which makes it very hard to play murder.
rigid crescent
That'd just cause more issues than it'd solve
ruby burrow
If only everyone who'd ever installed a crasher or hacked client would just develop a spontaneous allergy to all computing technology.
Would solve a lot.
frosty veldt
Public murder always seems like a shit show I don't want to be a part of
rigid crescent
I barely wanna play Murder with my closest friends much less in a public world 
torn zinc
IV played murder for like 5 hours straight never had any of these issues
Usually little kids are annoying tho
ruby burrow
Only ever played it in friends+ or private myself.
shell orbit
Hey Ya'll
desert stratus
i just fucked around before it got stale
"hey i never played murder before uh"
picks up knife
"Is this a clue?"
stabs
is pretty much all i did, all other times i just chilled until the murderer was revealed than ran screaming
rigid crescent
it was fun a few times but you can only murder so many people
vernal forge
murder was pretty fun when you have to keep guessing whether your knife or gun actually hit someone
frosty veldt
Yeah just the issue that vrchat isn't designed for hit detection between players, too much delay/lag for it
glad bolt
I only don't like Murder because my husband always abuses my trust. ;-;
torn zinc
Eh, it can be fun with friends
mental shuttle
nobody knows which horror worlds are the best?
broken plover
HDS dungeon
torn zinc
be me > friend betrays me > new round, I'm now the murder > act casual then murder everyone > walk up to my friend > he screams I'm the murderer > I laugh and tell him he's the last one > he says shit and tries talking it out > stab friend > trust in question after that
mental shuttle
Several worlds pop up when I search for that @broken plover
Maybe HDS HALLOWEEN V1․1 is the one you were recommending
broken plover
The HDS dungeon is a series. It starts with the big sisters dungeon part 1 and continues with the big brother hideout part 2
and those halloween and chrismas worlds are event maps
broken plover
theyre all horror worlds/maps with a story. but the the bigger ones are part 1 and part 2
prime silo
hey can someone help me with my essay homework im horrible at writing them
hollow breach
Replace “help me with” with “do”
prime silo
what do you mean
I don't understand
no im not trying to get people to do my essay
LMAO
hollow breach
Well it depends
If ur a male almost no one will help you
If ur a female, ur gonna get a flock of guys who want to do ur essay
Science everyone
vocal shard
pseudo basalt
Guys got better things to do too
undone sierra
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 6392 users in VRChat currently
swift crow
They are right, HDS is some of the best horror maps. Also there is the Slender Man world if you want a creepy challenge and the Project Alice (1 though 3) has some freaky murdery parts.
Also that Horror Maze 4 is a big challenge to complete with plenty of jump scares.
dusty berry
are there plans to integrate haptic vests and gloves into VRChat?
broken plover
If it would go mainstream I guess
broken plover
haptic vests do exist, but theyre very expensive and still in development
twin fractal
Yes I've seen videos. But they aren't really on the consumer market afaik
lunar cedar
At least one suit already has a (paid) openvr driver, but said suit is made to order and they only provide to those who have a reason to have it atm.
undone sierra
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 6650 users in VRChat currently
swift crow
Hardlight was making a sweet haptic vent that could even heat up or become cold. But the company couldn't find additonal funding so the they had to close the business and the vest is no longer in development.
snow trellis
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 6613 users in VRChat currently
snow trellis
who signed off?!
astral cliff
Has anyone ever encountered an issue where 2 users in the same house on different PCs can't see each other moving at all? Both using our own separate accounts too
faint skiff
That happens quite a lot if your system struggles loading an instance, like it just never bothers loading the IK for the player
I've got a friend that it happens to frequently as they're on a super low end system. I've had it happen once or twice too, but only very rarely.
astral cliff
Both our systems are pretty decent and both have run VRC in the past fine in VR mode but we were both on desktop this time together in the same house and it was acting up but may possibly be due to internet not being as good in our new address
languid beacon
I’m really not into the whole haptic stuff I just want eye tracking
lunar cedar
Those are even commercially available, though expensive
languid beacon
Wireless, external-sensorless PCVR, with eye tracking. That’s when I will buy a new vr headset
Until then cv1 is good enough lol
lunar cedar
External sensorless isn't great for fbt though.
vocal shard
@covert chasm regarding https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/players-stuck-on-spawn
i do have the output log, a screenshot and the exact datetime stamp of a friend who observed this issue but they prefer to only share it with vrchat devs. can i send his logfile over via email or the ticket system?
languid beacon
The oculus home version of the VRChat gives me at least double the FPS, that’s well worth not bothering to use full body when it means using the Steam version and getting less FPS
covert chasm
@vocal shard It is best to upload it to pastebin or google drive and comment it directly in the thread, that way we don't lose track of vital information.
If they don't want to publically put it out... hum
I'm not quite sure what kind of info they'd be concerned about in an output log, but I suppose it'd be OK to send that over to the Support ticket system and link the Feedback post.
jade quartz
heya, i dunno if im right here. i never really played vr chat (just tried it 2 times). Is anyone - like willing to guide me a bit through the game and show what you actually do in vrchat? 🙂 thanks
shell zinc
i can take you to a good undertale world and you can meet some undertale people and learn that way >v>
jade quartz
well if there are people online of course! 🙂
shell zinc
you let me know if and when you wanna and id be happy to come by
jade quartz
would now be okey? ^-^
shell zinc
sure, lemme just get my pc going! 💙
shell zinc
thank you ^^
vocal shard
@covert chasm Sent a support ticket Output log for bug report canny "Players stuck on spawn" Let me know in the ticket or on the canny if you need any more information
floral quiver
vrchat is pissing me off now. it constantly keeps logging me out
lunar cedar
using a vpn?
floral quiver
Of course not. I dunno how
tulip topaz
Yo anyone know the code for wulfies hangout
floral quiver
I have noticed that even my download speed for vrchat has capped itself to 25mbps
lunar cedar
Just asking because that occurs when your IP changes
floral quiver
When looking at task manager wifi part. When loading a world. When it freezes at black It stops sending and receving data And even my steam disconnects from it. It happened last time but it fixed itself
I cant be dealing with this issue again
lunar cedar
Don't use wifi
Not that wifi should be logging you out, but you in general shouldn't use wifi for gaming
floral quiver
I sit in a bedroom
I have 10 ping and 200MBPS Download and 25mb upload
Im using a TP-Link ngle
lunar cedar
That doesn't make interference go away. Bulk transfers are not representative of connection stability or quality
lunar cedar
you're neighbor or housemate downloading some massive AAA game over wifi?
floral quiver
I live with my mim and sisters. Everyone asleep
Even next door. Its 1am
We have 200MBPS download. Souldnt be an issue. Never has been when others downloading stuff and im playing other games
It always seems to be win 10 and vrchat that hate eachother for me
lunar cedar
doubtful it's "win 10" lol
floral quiver
I noticed today my ping is being abit hi
Well iv had issues with win 10 in past
With wifi issues
lunar cedar
Probably when they made the decision to block KRACK vulnerable connections
floral quiver
Yeah im having a ping issue foe some reason. 240ms
Its been fine all day and every other day
So why today when i have a damn cold. Its a dick to me
floral quiver
Dunno. Im from uk. Im using vrgin Media .
If i keep my menu open it some how affects the ping like it stops me from dc and it going so high XD
lunar cedar
Get logs and post to canny if it has occurred outside of maintenance hours
floral quiver
Exits out menu. Goes upto 300mbps wtf
lunar cedar
Yea... speed has very little to do with stability or gaming performance
floral quiver
Gonna give internet reboot a try
lunar cedar
Always a good idea. It may bypass the effected/in maintenance part of your ISP
solid wave
What's the go with people and mirrors? Every time I go somewhere with a mirror, literally every single time, there's always a group of people just standing there, staring at it... I don't get it.
lunar cedar
Immersion, body ownership, better expression control, etc.
floral quiver
Now i cant get wifi on pc
solid wave
I guess those things make sense, it was just weird seeing SO MANY people doing it all the time. Usually I'll see a bunch of stationary people just standing there like a group of zombies and then there's like proper people actually out and about in the world that you can actually look at and have a conversation with and feel like you're more in the world with them.
indigo fern
i mean, plenty of people have convos in from of the mirror too
vocal shard
Pretty much anyone at the mirror is talking to each other. I tend to do it too. You see more people in the wider view of the reflection, and while talking with others at the mirror, seeing yourself helps your mind solidify your avatar as your body
twin fractal
Mirrors are like campfires
shell zinc
that's a good way to put it, then if you put a mirror at a campfire well... you're golden
steel ether
I hate having to pass out candy
vestal pier
so dont
steel ether
I have too
vocal shard
Little did you know as a kid, you were not being given free candy. It was actually accumulating as a debt. And now as an adult, you must pay they debt back by buying candy and giving it away to the kids yourself.
shell zinc
so if i never trick or treated i dont have to give anything out?
vocal shard
shell zinc
ill give candy to you and no one else
vocal shard
shell zinc
and a 5 star dinner c:
shell zinc
you deserve it 💙 keep up the.. probably, hard work, whatever you do..
vocal shard
on here I just volunteer some free time to help watch the chat.
Lol thanks 
shell zinc
hehe ^v^
vocal shard
glad bolt
No one showed up to Trick-or-Treat. Guess the candy's mine now.
lunar cedar
That's a pretty good turnout
glad bolt
I suppose.
rancid mesa
grim canopy
My power went out, tornado warning
wheat moss
How’s the general vrchat population these days? Meaning how many people still play? I’m thinking about getting another oculus but don’t know if it’s worth it at this point
shell zinc
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 7815 users in VRChat currently
wheat moss
Is that good in comparison to say a few months ago?
shell zinc
i dont know. id say most people find a cool person, befriend them and usually naturally form a group with them and their existing or new friends, so the amount of players never matters, just if the group you find still plays
wheat moss
I met my gf on vrchat last year and now we live together. But I haven’t played since I moved and I kinda miss it. I know my group stopped playing a long time ago
shell zinc
chances are you could meet people from here and see if you can find any new groups that way. or just go around in worlds or maybe visit any random old friend you had
most people that make groups in vrchat are not likely to stop playing in my experience, maybe breaks but then you'd still have some of the group
knotty dew
Hey
I'm on vrchat and I can't hear anyone
Like I hear popping when they start to talk and that's it
What's happening
My friend is saying the same thing
shell zinc
ive had that happen a lot lately, too
languid beacon
why does having toe bones bound make the avatar stand so... weird?
leaning forward MJ style
quartz ravine
BeCaUsE wHy NoT
vocal shard
Hello, I have a question
How do you type in chat at vrchat via pc?
I've tried google, didn't helped me
broken plover
there is no text chat in vrchat
shell zinc
no text chat, though some worlds do have things for it. dont think it's many worlds though
shell zinc
youtube very deceiving i see pat pat
molten gale
I wake
cold talon
Ah, Paci has activated, welcome back
lunar cedar
good morning
cold talon
hello, welcome to the world of vrchat
molten gale
yeet
trim wing
Hi, does the headset do the real eyetracking or is it still depending on how close a model is standing next to you? Im new at this and I don't have a headset (yet?) but im curious how it works
broken plover
eye tracking is only virtual (as of right now) the only headset that has eye tracking is the "HTC Vive pro eye" but the eye tracking for this headset is not implemented in vrchat
trim wing
I see. And how does walking with vr set work in game if you barely have space in your room? Do you use buttons on controllers?
broken plover
Yes. On vive you press the touchpad, on oculus and index you use the thumbsitck to move
molten gale
I think it depends on the avatar, some dont move, some randomly move and some look specifically at you, etc
trim wing
Thanks! I'm praying my computer shop celebrates Black Friday and does discount on all vr stuff because at the moment its gonna cost me roughly 1360 $ and thats too much to spend at one go hhh
dawn pecan
Woah, what are you buying?
I bought the vive with FBT and I paid about that, but the price has gone down since, and my country is expensive in general
trim wing
Htc vive pro, two controllers 2.0, base station 2.0 and control box (which i assume is needed to link headset with pc)
Was gonna send a picture with the list but no permission apparently
I already have one base station and three htc vive trackers because I livestream 3d modeling/art/sometimes games with my vr avatar using SUVA.
dawn pecan
There is no "vive pro kit" with all things included?
broken plover
there is one on the vive website
trim wing
I would overpay 1k PLN for the full kit than buying things separately :( and buying directly on vive site is even more overpaying
dawn pecan
Ah, fair enough
trim wing
Currently all these things cost me aboust 5200 PLN
broken plover
If you want a good headset that is also compatible with the ligthhouse basestations you could also get the index. Its cheaper and better than the vive pro
trim wing
Index? Never heard about it and i already have htc vive trackers so i should probably stick to one type of set and not mix technologies
broken plover
its not really mixing because they both run natively on steamvr
river tendon
Guys whats the best way to fit in fullbody avatars like so the feet and eyes match good
vocal shard
The best way is to make an avatar that fits your real proportions
dawn pecan
Steam advanced settings, make your feet match. Then adjust avatar height until it somewhat matches.
Beyond that, you will need to change the avatar
glossy remnant
river tendon
I am not realy the best at makeing avatars 
Like my own do fit realy good but i was more talking about public ones
trim wing
I think you cant really edit these?
covert snow
Hi
dawn pecan
You can't edit public avatars
Even if you download them and manage to convert the ascii fbx to a file usable in Blender, it will be a total mess with textures and bones and mesh locations broken
dawn pecan
Does the newer Unity versions suck less? I'm persoanlly hoping for more layers (current hard limit of 32), a higher sound limit (currently a hard limit of 32), and more accuracy (currently regular float, which is why large maps with good near-clip-planes are impossible)
royal basin
i can guarantee you i have more problems with unity 2018 in the first 2 days i worked with it than unity 2017 since vrchat first upgraded to it
trim wing
Is it necessary to upgrade from 2017?
rigid crescent
yup eventually
vocal shard
nudes plz
broken plover
https://i.imgur.com/05wNOZ6.png there you go
vocal shard
sent some anime tittes
dawn pecan
That's impressive, because I have nothing but problems with Unity 2017
royal basin
i only had like minor problems with 2017
to be fair you'd probably have a different experience though so who knows
dawn pecan
You underestimate my ability of running into every possible problem that a piece of software can possibly provide
faint skiff
@trim wing Index isn't mixing technologies, it's lighthouse based still. It was Valve that designed the lighthouses in the first place.
desert stratus
people also "mix technologies" in vr all the time seamlessly - you can use the vive full body trackers + light houses or kinect with any vr headset, and only one would really give you mild issues
languid beacon
Index uses SteamVR the same as the vive trackers. It’s popular because it’s the same technology and can just use your vive base stations so no need to buy the index ones (same sensors, different logo)
Meaning you will pay 500 for the headset which is considerably cheaper than a vive pro and reportedly it’s more comfortable and sharper but I haven’t worn either one. Regardless I consider buying a vive pro today to be a mistake
jolly elbow
¡Watsup, gente soy británica y relumbro y tiemblo! por favor llame a la ambulancia!
nah i'm english
indigo fern
Hi English I'm n8
glad bolt
I thought the Index Headset is only compatible with 2.0 base stations, though. 🤔
desert stratus
nah, 2.0 base stations will not trach 1.0-tracked objects
but 2.0-tracked objects can be tracked by 1.0 base stations
faint skiff
That's because it works the other way around. The devices track the base-stations, not vice versa. It makes sense when you realise the devices are inside-out tracking (despite how people normally talk about them).
broken plover
but the inside out tracking of lighthouse based systems is more like youre in a dark room and theres a small light in each corner that you use to orientate instead of sunlight coming through a window so you can see where you are based on anything
desert stratus
tl;dr light houses only shoot out light, thats it, they dont do any calculatuons. trackers pick up on the light and the rest of the tracking system interprets it to correct position
rough pulsar
The V2's do a little bit of work as they send some data down the beam as they go. Probably the time a certain position of the rotor or even the angle itself, not sure.
desert stratus
0 0 weird
jolly elbow
watsup
glad bolt
Idk, idc, I'm fine with what setup I bought.
vocal shard
I got shit faced drunk last night and wasted the entire night on vrchat
coarse reef
Hey everyone
I'm not entirely sure which channel to post this question in, I assume it fits this one the most
I don't own any VR Gear yet and I was just starting to look into it a bit as a possible christmas present for my sister and I got a few questions.
Can VR theoretically run on every PC?
Does VR require a very beefy machine? I don't 100% remember the specs but I believe she had a GeForce 720M, 12 GB RAM and a 4-Core processor, not quite sure which ones though.
Can anyone recommend a set for someone who's on a budget?
umbral reef
VR needs a fairly beefy PC. You can run some VR performance tests to see how ready you are. But VRchat does not run 'good' on anything but top tier stuff really.
desert stratus
that being said, it can run "good enough" on surprisingly underpowered hardware. A 720m is not going to cut it, though
coarse reef
Dang.. yeah I suspected as much...
desert stratus
if you can replace that with at least a 1060 it may be fine
broken plover
but the 1060 is already old... I would reccomend something like a 1660 ti. About the same price and its as fast as a 1070
wheat moss
1060 works. It’s not the best but it works. I played on one for a while with very few issues
coarse reef
It's a laptop anyways
wheat moss
Rip
coarse reef
Not like I could do much replacing there
PS4 VR doesn't seem to be quite worth it either
Oh well, have to come up with something else for chrismas then
broken plover
but there are external gpu things. If you have the money you might be able to work with that. Because the display cable of the vr headset needs to be plugged into a gpu so It can also be an external gpu
desert stratus
yeah i was gonna follow up with i wouldnt reccommenf su ch a small upgrade anyway with those specs
youd be better off buulding a brand new vr pc
wheat moss
^
Sounds like the processor could use some updating as well so yeah you’ll be better off starting from scratch unfortunately
coarse reef
Thanks for your help o/
faint skiff
720M means it's a laptop, so I doubt they can upgrade.
God damn chat was scrolled back again, grr.
languid beacon
Index works on 1.0 or 2.0 base stations. But 2.0 base stations only work on index and pro.
Everyone gets that backwards :p
Better to have 1.0 stations they work with everything
rare dust
But they suck at tracking 😔👌
faint skiff
They don't.
faint skiff
I upgraded from v1s to v2s a few weeks back and noticed absolutely zero difference in tracking accuracy or quality. The only difference was that they're (v2s) slightly quieter.
vocal shard
I think the v2s only really make a difference in tracking space size, and reliability due to less parts
indigo fern
yea, they can track a warehouse basically lmao
and no moving parts
faint skiff
Yeah, you can officially have up to 4, unofficially up to 16 and they don't need line of sight to each other.
Er, they have moving parts. Just one motor instead of two though.
indigo fern
ohh, i see
rough pulsar
The improvements with the v2s is there but very subtle.
There's a case where I get slight wobble of my tracking with a v1, but it's solid with a v2.
indigo fern
thats half the amount of moving part then
rough pulsar
There's currently no non-mechanical lighthouses available, but I have heard weird rumours of Valve having researched the idea of solid-state lighthouses, however that would work.
rigid crescent
every day investing in a murphy bed seems more and more like a good idea
maximum vr space
desert stratus
deughhhh, just put a blanket on your floor and a pillow
tacit plank
Please, a light-house without this loud ass high pitch noise
desert stratus
broken spine, happy life >u>
vocal shard
Get rid of bed, use a hammock
desert stratus
it can also act as a border mat
rigid crescent
good thing my hearing has deteriorated to the point i cant hear the sound
i could go futon mode
lapis lake
my birthday can't come soon enough
rigid crescent
same i want some free stuff
lapis lake
i might be getting a PSVR and with some adjusting I can use it on the PC which means I could finally play VRchat the way it was meant to
young tide
Hello guys does someone Know where to find the Roomba avatar/Model? Sorry if its the wrong channel, but i felt like this doesnt belong to the "Development" channel 🙂
covert blade
As far as I know it doesn't have an avatar world, so you can only get it by cloning it from someone else unless you make it yourself.
young tide
oh alright, thank you
vocal shard
where's a channel to talk about unity? I'm having trouble not seeing any option under the "vrchat sdk" sub menu. All I see is the following: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/395017441970880512/639912602939686915/Screenshot_6.png
I tried reinstalling the sdk.
Gotta make a new project and import the sdk last
Also make sure you’re using the right version
Yep! I got the right version. I'll try making the new project. Is there no way to bring over everything I have in my current project? I have to start clean?
Pretty much it’s what I do and it sucks
Damn... that really does suck. Alright, I'll see what happens with the new project. Thanks!
Holy I literally forgot quest was a thing
polar mason
hi
covert blade
Are you sure?
vocal shard
yes
lunar cedar
@vocal shard remove the vrc SDK, then go into plug-in folder and remove it there too. Make sure it's fully removed from the project folder.
covert blade
7k users online
vocal shard
my servers in the same datacenter are also having issues, provider said that /someone/ in the same dc is getting flooded again
but looks like it was mitigated rather quickly
covert blade
But... it doesn't seem to affect VRChat at all tho 
vocal shard
it did affect at least everyone for a short moment, lets hope it doesnt happen again
looks like it was another customer that got nullrouted
https://i.imgur.com/oPTLGmz.png almost not noticable on those graphs but it was definitely noticable here in our instance on 004
torn nebula
@faint skiff hmm, does more than 4 lighthouses Just Work(tm)?
Oops, replying to scrollback. Still interested in the answer though
broken plover
2.0's yes 1.0's no
torn nebula
Interesting. So there's no software limit at 4, just not recommended?
polar mason
can anyone who is good at making avatars and worlds please dm me
glad bolt
Please don't cross post
polar mason
sorry
faint skiff
@torn nebula Not sure to be honest.
cobalt cedar
Does anyone know where I can find a Dalek avatar?
hollow breach
Prob just search up doctor who
vocal shard
Ive having really bad preformamce issues in vr when i play i mostly get 11 to 15 fps, can someone help me with this issue? Please dm me! (Using a htc vive right now)
rigid crescent
need your pc specs
vocal shard
Ryzen 7 2700
16gb corsair vengeance ddr4
Rtx2070
sudden dagger
Hello everyone! Brand new to VRChat and can’t wait to make my avatar and get started! I play on a quest, what do all y’all use?
shell zinc
vive >v>
slate verge
@sudden dagger welcome! if you play on quest you may want to hang out in #quest-general more often, but here is fine too
i use vive for my vr play
devout island
i use my pc because no headset
austere tendon
I use my vive for pc
vocal shard
If u link ur oculus quest can i see pc players or just oculus
slate verge
just quest players, PC can show their avatars to you if only their avatars are quest supported
your quest will see them as quest avatar automatically even if they are using a pc avatar
lunar cedar
The link does let you run the PC version, but that's assuming your PC is VR ready
slate verge
oh i didn't read it correctly and missed the link
definitely able to see them pc avatars yes
lunar cedar
But a potato may see even fewer avatars 😛
slate verge
true true
lunar cedar
1G fiber =/= 1G internet
shell harness
anyone can help? like i tried making the seated avatar model. When people click on me for the first time it's fine. But then after they jump off from me. they can click anywhere beside my body to sit on me. Anyone know a fix?
lunar cedar
vocal shard
getting over 900mbps
lunar cedar
However, most 1G plans will provide a fairly high speed connection to AWS
To what? The internet is big
Test to NYC
vocal shard
it's never been an issue till today
lunar cedar
AWS networking is pretty unreliable. It's crap on a good day with my ISP. On bad days it's entirely unusable. Though whether I should be blaming my ISP or AWS, idrk.
vocal shard
I have never had slow days with vrc in 2 years
lunar cedar
And I've never not had slow days. 🤷
waxen citrus
So... When's that Unity 2018 update coming? We really need multithreading so badly.
still lark
The game already uses multiple threads tho @waxen citrus
vocal shard
@civic grail jupp vrlow and 1.5 super sampling or else its blurry
verbal pulsar
Hey how do I upload an avatar to VRchat?
thin storm
devout island
usually just go around making friends and playing the game you'll get it pretty quick
indigo fern
I wouldn't say awful amount
devout island
not sure exactly when you get it but it doesn't take a long time
wicked crescent
hey anyone else having avatar loading issues?
hexed gull
