#vrchat-general-2
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so is your place space something like this?
Yeah vrchat is literally an improvement of our quality of life
There was a Japanese guy in the Black Cat last night who's avatar had a giant billboard behind them advertising their YouTube channel.
Actually I think it was an advert for that software that lets you easily make and swap clothes on MMD avatars.
VRoid Studio?
reminds me of the handful of people who turned their avatars into booths and lolitered in vacant bits of the vket maps
rEsOuRcEfUl, i guess. >u>
I block ads on sight
No matter how long it takes i will find a way to not see ads

adblock for vrc
"hey guys, tupper here. today on the october dev stream, we've partnered up with ublock to do this:"
a screen shows up revealing that all billboard avatars including the dynamic wendys ad have been clapped

It wasn't too bad, the guy was also part of the board, stood infront of it as an actual person so you could talk to him, so it was interesting in that regard.

That's cool actually
"we've created a deep learning AI that will analyze any audio or visual content emitting from avatars and confirm whether or not it is an advertisement. when udon comes out, you can implement this node in your worlds' programming to set the spawnpoint of offenders over the void"
its one of those things that is really hard not to be obnoxious about but sounds really cool if done well and modestly-enough
I'm surprised people willingly use avatars with ads on them. The only ads I tolerate is if they're inside the body and crediting the author.
I see those more as branding then advertising
Yeah, the demo avatars look ... bad. A few people I spoke to about it didn't even realise they were walking around with advertising boxes or mini-billboards on them. I wonder if they're using shaders that hide them in mirrors?
I tried a few vket avatars and at the least the personal mirror showed the ones I tried
idk if i wanna vrchat when i get home or not
Generally speaking the ads are visible in mirrors, but it's up to the individual avatar author in the end
Some are more subtle though, there was one that only showed an ad when you used a specific gesture
And trial mishe has a tastefully small "sample" tattoo, plus a tag attached to her zipper
Everything's alright on our side, try clearing website cache and retrying ?
Seems to be working fine for me too
minehut is also down 
truly the saddest timeline
it's api.vrchat.cloud
gotcha, looking into it
and that is still working
What a difference changing the minimum visible avatar setting to poor is
Yeah, I get a massive boost in framerate doing that.
Henlo ovo/
but Poor will remove what can be removed, and it helps a lot
when i try to upload a avatar it always never pulls up the screen to upload it into vrchat how can i fix this?
check the unity console
It's a shame that any particles at all bumps you down to Poor though (e.g. I'd like fire breath but I have to keep it on another avatar else I get bumped from Medium to Poor).
Theres a guy in the Pug playing music and it's just great
This is my favourite vrchat content
Sounds like Candyrat stuff. Andy Mckee
I asked for Drifting but he's either not listening or doesn't have it.
@modern sand
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494569638978388001/628668319414747139/unknown.png
Code401. Missing Credentials
others have the same issue
basically happens if you try to search for something or click on your own profile.
log back in ?
tried..also with different account and other people tired as well
also, any reason you're not using vrchat.com ?
its still not working
is there a difference between .net and .com?
are you using .net ?
yeah
use .com
yeah it works thanks.
any reason why there is a .net and .com?
like is there any difference?
yes, but i'm not knowledgeable enough to explain what it is 
it is ok thank you very much.
i always use the homepage to start my game with having steam closed or searching for maps
net redirects to com
At least the homepage does, but I remember having the same issues, whereas i'd always use .net in the past so it's probably a relatively recent thing?
i just got confused as hell..i was logged in, everything worked well.
then done stuff in unity, tried to test it out and first got logged out and then had that error
i made a new project imported the files over and it still didn't work right and it doesn't want to load the upload screen
Hi

im making custom vrchat models, and unity says that im not yet allowed to upload to vrchat yet. does anyone knwo the estimated amount of time to spend to be allowed to upload?
it picks up the fan i always have running in the background and my keyboard (Which is an issue because i bhop everywhere)
There is no "set time".
ah
@misty delta Just running the game won't get you anywhere. You need to talk to people and get them on your friendslist, visit and favourite worlds and not get blocked/muted too much. Once you reach next rank (New User) you will be able to upload avatars and worlds
ok thx for the information
fusl@linux-0lcz:~> dig vrchat.net @1.1.1.1
vrchat.net. 3600 IN SOA nina.ns.cloudflare.com. dns.cloudflare.com. 2032163307 10000 2400 604800 3600
huh, someone b0rked the dns for vrchat.net
It should probably just be cnamed, though it did have an A record when I checked earlier today.
it used to point to the cloudflare servers
Is anyone getting kicked from the VRC website as soon as they log in or is it just me?
the entire zone is basically gone. @, www. and api. all return no records anymore
my mistake, wasn't aware of RFC8482. ANY reqs are gone now
yeah, looks like its back again
looks like they changed vrchat.net to 301 redirect to vrchat.com
so yeah, unplanned or planned+unannounced maintenance it probably was
It does return records, you have to explicitly request them
Cloudflare ignore ANY requests
(annoyingly, and I hate them for it, makes my job harder)
Can someone help me with an streaming issue?
might be handy if you actually say your problem because its hard for anyone to help if they dont know your problem
Lol I did in a different room and no one said anything so I didn't know if I was ok to. I figured it out though
want to play VRchat but my headset comes in tomorrow and I'm done playing desktop mode
so just gonna do something else I guess...
Hmmm, it gone already?
coram you naughty naughty
Haha
Tomorrow, or as it shall henceforth be known for you - ascension day.
here's hoping it all works
those are some insane knockoffs
Why would someone knockoff a bad design?
In-ear headphones are horrible for me. They almost never stay in and the sound doesn't sound remotely accurate due to how and where it's reproduced.
Also those are so cheap too...
video players broke again
yeah I'll stick with my over ear cans
pair of hyperXs at the PC and a pair of Denons at my work desk
that's honestly my one massive gripe with the Odyssey +. The... ear speakers aren't removable/replaceable
but hey maybe I won't mind them so much
They're not half bad, but no matter how good an on-ear can be, over-ear > on-ear
def
Ya i was unsure of the index over ear now i would rather have that then my headset

index is free floating, not over ear
and i personally hate that aspect, cus that means it aint sealing
I love VRChat! I hope it never dies.
i didn't even know vrchat had a merch store
Me too
@vocal shard linux-0lcz is a good name
Hello peasants
Recently I found a world with free booth avatars (stolen) and wanted to report it, but stolen assets is not on the list of reasons
you launch it through steam or in the oculus store @crimson comet
i search up vr chat on steam and i cant find it @undone cobalt
vrchat, not vr chat
ohh
what he said
thank you orkel
thanks you everyone
seeing people and NEWS ARTICLES (really?) say "vr chat" really irritates me
hi tupper senpai!
👌
hi 

Does anybody have some crazy stories to tell in VR Chat?
i do, but not now
send me a friend request on Discord? I'm trying to make a video. (if your down to tell them)
🤡 - Fixed an issue where users could sit in their own stations 🤡 '
i don't get about that part
Wasn't the issue that if people sat in their own station, they would launch in the air?
If you grab your own chair object it would not sure about avatars
never experience that before
No fun allowed
well why would people do that in the first place
@vocal shard no it'd enable them to do cool things like this https://twitter.com/MerlinVR_/status/1178795973260320768
Flying is fun, now we cant fly
They patch out anything we find creative and fun
with the way that bug worked the opportunities for malicious shit were endless, i'm a bit surprised it took them a few days to fix it
what do you mean malicious shit? It was harmless. All it enabled you to do was go through walls
not the flying part. the bug that allowed it in the first place
Just gonna disable auto updates for my game
so the kerbal space program can live on

cool update, thanks
Yeah, the setting objects on specific layers things was probably scary. The sitting in your own chair thing that we used it for was actually harmless. Their official stance is they don't like people clipping through things in worlds. Let me just use a 50 foot avatar and ferry people across myself. I'd never use a client, but plenty of people use it for that exact thing. So lets not support sitting in your own chairs and all that they can do.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
update killed my base stations

Hey @covert chasm How are you guys doing? There's so much anger, want to make sure you guys aren't, like, getting super down or anything
Hey, I get that they have to put panic-bandaids to "fix" things that crop up.
Just wish they'd support more than they remove support for.
sure, that's the ideal for any game right? I just hate that the vocal part of the gaming community tends to forget that game devs are people too. It's a real shame seeing so much passive- and not-so-passive-aggressive anger
something something Llen is a kiss ass. Meh.
It's not kiss assery. They are people. A lot of people in my circles that complain forget that too. But cutting off creativity is also always very disappointing.
Yeah. But the way I figure, something like that eventually falls out of use anyway as more and more people do it, and eventually someone figures out some new thing and that sweeps through. There'll always be some weird glitch that people can have fun with, until they can't
It's just like chairs. Chairs were included, they were removed, people rioted in the streets
They added them back and it was cool for like 2 weeks then everyone stopped caring
It's not super easy to do and the possibilities are pretty great.
I'd use the iron man flight regularly.
You'd forget about it because it became a natural part of things.
I'm not innocent of the change rage myself. I've gotten plenty angry in the past over things changing in games I really cared about, so I shouldn't and won't judge the anger, but still
same
Yeah, colored names is and always was bad.
Same thing, people stopped caring about those too
The (rank) in parenthesis is fine. Colored names? No.
is there anyone who i can talk to about helpin me make avatars? i have one in mind but idk how to use SDK
I block same perms for trusted as i do for visitor so kinda stayed the same
I've only known coloured names so I can't say anything about that...
if anyone can help msg me plz
Makes people different in the wrong ways. You can't always trust a purple name, but they have a purple name so
It should really just be a rank under their green name tag only when you open hand menu.
No one even cares about the colors any more, the only people i see complain are the ones who don't have purple lol
imo coloring people like that adds some implicit bias about them somewhere in your mind
While it could be displayed better, it's hardly a downside any more
it still sucks
A bias? Why would it do that?
Just do what I do: Be born colourblind
i think it might be intimidating to new users
is he purple? Is he blue? Who cares
I've been set to Green since the system was released
me too
I've never felt treated any differently than i was prior
nor have I felt treated differently the few times i've had it to purple
but it's not about how you feel about your tag
I was orange when the system first came out 1.0
the most i get from friends and acquaintances are "Wait how are you not trusted?", toggle, and "oh, ok"
2.0 update made me purple
Like it or not, people use safety settings and I like my optimized, cool model to be seen fully.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
i don't get it, it keeps saying my base stations line of sight isn't working, but from before it was fine as they are mounted on the wall
People will see what they want to see, that's always been one of their main goals
i'd like to see green names
I block very poor
So I stay on trusted, is what I meant. Because the default for trusted is better.
The default minimum clipping plane is forced to 0.01 by Unity. If I make a script which changes it even lower when the scene is played, will I be able to overwrite this limit?
I mean everyone just shows my avatar lol
I'll have to code my own shader to overlay on the scene or something. You gotta fix everything yourself in this shitty program.
O unity?
Yeah
@tacit plank why do you wanna go lower? xd
Because 0.01 is about 1 centimeter, and I should be about to move my camera inside somebodies mouth without it becoming invisible for no good reason
You can't have custom scripts in VRC, so good luck
decrease FOV to make things look closer :^)
I can overwrite the users default perspective camera with a custom one, but its position and such is ignored
If it's just for accuracy in the scene, make an empty gameobject, parent the camera to it, and move it back enough to have "accurate" clipping. Then just move the parent instead of the camera.
I will need to overwrite the GPU function which discards pixels at a distance
Wait, will that work?
Every player in the world will have their camera settings overwritten by the vrc_world components camera overwrite setting
But Unity changes it back if you make it below 0.01 because they're a bunch of bitches
You never know with Unity, it works in mysterious ways
Don't do that caffeine
An avatars clipping on a camera is subjective. It's up to the person who made the avatar to make the clipping proper.
It uses the worlds camera setting, it has nothing to do with the avatars
If minimum clipping works for one avatar and not another, the one that is off is due to them having the viewpoint not set properly.
Viewpoint clipping is world dependant
See above.
That's the eye position. The issue with the clipping plane is that anything which gets near you is removed. The pixels are discarded kind of like how the "personal space" setting works
If your clipping plane differences (maximum distance over minimum distance) is above 10000, things can start shaking. But if you use old 5.6 avatars, they have no clipping plane at all, which proves that Unity is just limiting itself for the sake of it.
And yeah, you can partly fix it
Saigo is in a other dimension atm
It should not draw items which are behind you, but as long as they're in front of you, you should be able to see it
well to be fair all the 5.6 avatars have buggy, broken shaders
... but they mostly work
I get it now.
You have the same issue in Blender, until you lower that clipping plane too. But Blender accepts 0.0001 like a champ, Unity is just a bitch
Unities non/perspective camera also allows for negative clipping planes as far as I'm aware. But you'd not be popular in VRchat if you overwrite peoples camera settings with one without depth
I've never felt awkwardness when my viewpoint was proper though. Because if I go any closer, I start clipping visually AND physically.
Unity probably wasn't made with seeing microns in mind
my bruddas
And if I could get as close as possible, I'd start seeing pixels in a texture anyway?
Unless insanely high res?
lol
Yeah, but it's better than seeing the inside of their head
This mostly matters due to headpats btw
https://i.stack.imgur.com/ikzxq.png Here's a Blender example
But it's never been that drastic in VRC.
Unless they're super small.
Then it should clip like that.
It has. It's about 30 centimeters by default, though a lot of worlds are starting to correct it
Small avatars definitely have it worse, yeah, lol
oof. I've never had clipping that bad unless my face is inside theirs.
I'd need to be in a world that bad and think to get that close to someone.
@tacit plank the client clamps the near clip to 0.01-0.05
If it was 30cm, you wouldn't see anyone's face if they got close
I've seen it be that bad before
But recently worlds are better (probably even VRChat's official worlds) and your camera settings stay until you join a new world (unless it has its own overwrite)
That reminds me. VRChat uploaded worlds have been a little broken for a while.
They should update them.
Unless they frequently do, but they're still kinda borked.
Not sure where to ask this, but the spookality event mentioned all assets need to be original in the rules, does that mean you can't use paid unity assets...?
depends if the license allows you to or not
See y'all in rec room 😎
no thanks
I don't get why worlds are being prioritized over avatars right now when I'd figure most worlds will break when UDON replaces triggers and they'd need the content of interesting avatars to fill the void while people recover/learn UDON and take their time making something worthwhile with it.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Can I do post-processing without the post-processing stack addon thingy? Like just apply a texture+shader to the camera and upload it?
Making a medium-quality VRchat world takes a few hours, we'll be fine. I'll definitely have fun with UDON though
Yeah, with knowledge and resources you have currently.
Not learning new things and how to replace all that you use to have.
Just saaaying.
Of course, chairs work off triggers too, so I guess they'd break too? Unless we grandfather a bunch of things in and out.
Avatar flight 3.0 with UDON. Coming soon. tm
Good joke.
every update has to break something, dosent it?
this is why we cant have nice things
LOL
This tone though: https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/fix-the-goddamn-chairs
Yeah, removed self sitting and ruined chairs.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
what a beautiful and polished bugfix that the community desperately needed
thanx devs
Hello
May i ask something about crashing problem.
VRChat has encountered an error and must close.
Vrchat - Unity 2017.4.28f1
Check out #vrchat-support
i tried those methods
i can't send pic here right?
You'd have to link it.
i saw some reports that same case as mine but still can't figure it out how to fix it
i just screenshot that thingy.
i can't launch my game
The reason for the crash is usually in the output log. It's not hard to read, usually. If you sent it in, they might get around to it, but if no one else bothers it may take a bit.
i sent report already.i follow the steps https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/latest-release here.didn't help me out
VRChat is the new Microsoft of failed updates
you'll forget about it in a week dw
we don't though
yeah we'll definitely forget about https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/fix-the-goddamn-chairs in a week lol
the devs will
No Mic, we don't forget. We keep track and score points.
just like how people forgot about chairs the first time they were completely removed
and how they forgot about them after they were re-released
Sounds like a perception bias to me!
🤷
I wanna play T.T im so bored.
im trying to find an answer how to fix that problem like a week now
No, just don't re-install
https://gyazo.com/bf8ada070b0dfe3b465483c303dec9b2 Welcome to Vrchat boi's
ay
spooktober is here
k
you seem very excited
spooktober
ye 💀
Can I make my own post-processing? I don't want to use that stack addon, I need a custom post-processing and it's a really simple one
Technically, yeah.
Technically.
How? The main camera doesn't accept a shader or a regular material
Hello
hi
There should be a thing where you can see all the avatars in a world
@warped swift wdym?
Lots of places require users to solve a puzzle or reach a secret zone to find the coolest of avatars. That would break those worlds
So basically join a world and have all avatars in that world in a menu?
Or they could mean a wallhack? idrk
My first thought was avatars hidden due to safety and performance settings
Maybe, though that sounds like a personal lag button xD
It seems that the new update broke flying avatars like the Kerbal. Does anyone know any kind of workaround?
nope
What is the easiest way to complain about it to the devs?
Will do.
The devs were put into a position where they can effectively add an amazing fun feature by literally just doing nothing, and they actively removed it.
Many people are pissed about the change.
Wait why they removed the self sitting on chairs
The feature wasn't officially supported because it would be too confusing for new players if they accidentally clicked on their own station according to tupper. But this way you were 100% sure what you were doing, no new player would just stumble upon this. What is the logic?
Where's the "Allow fun" canny?
if they added it as a feature, it will be as a real feature in the future, and not leave the bug version of it in, like exactly what happened with stations on avatars. that started as a bug that was removed. they wont just leave a bug in place with 0 design put into it
Ok, so tupp said in a canny response that it wasn't a intended behavior and as such could not be supported as future unrelated updates might break it.
But why actively go after it to "fix" it, just leave it in there untill some random update breaks it unintentionally if it's "not supported" don't actively seek to remove fun stuff. And besides, you could just just make the whole thing a checkbox to enable self sitting, heck could even reuse one of the existing one since they don't do anything when placed on avatars.
Aloha senpai army
because the longer you leave it, the more people use it and the more people expect it to be supported. if people are upset about it breaking now. you think people would be less upset later, when more people are using it, if it broke on accident? no. people would demand that this "feature" be "fixed" when it was never one to begin with. if something like this will be in the app, it will be put in officially with actual design put into it, and, be supported from then on.
If it gets added, I dont know if they plan to, but, this is similar to when chairs got added to avatars, and, that was added later, officially, after it was removed as bug a few months before
Yes, no doubt the comunity would be mad abut having them broken as with anything, but if they know that it was an unintended behavior people would be more understanding, the real problem isn't that it got removed, it's why it got removed, and that officially supported version of the removed feature take ages to get implemented, if it would be added back in like a week or 2 even as a not so perfect feature, I can assure you that nobody would complain. So many more avatars could be built around this, it was one of the reason the "bug avatar chairs" were such a big deal.
Just make/find an avatar that has a chair so the person sitting in it can use it for flight. Then have a friend clone it and you can both "legally" fly that way by sitting on each other's chair. It just won't be synced in world like the self-sitting was.
- I meant with an animator, not spiraling uncontrollably into space.
Also, this quick fix introduced even more issues with the local side of avatar chairs.
You'll still clip through world until VRC takes the next step and removes chairs completely though.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
May aswell remove custom avatars, they can be extremely dangerous =)
Flying with someone else chair is absolute garbago, with self sit you could even behave as a full on rigid body fly/slide around in any direction / orientation
Eh. I know someone that has it set up to work exactly like the Jetpack prefab.
It's very well done.
And they decided to make it so the person sitting can use it and just use the other person for themselves.
But not right now, I guess. Since VRC's "fix" just generally broke chairs a little bit.
Too bad you have to buy fbt to be able to sit now
Well, you can still use them. They just don't work like chairs right now.
@robust sparrow it was all planned to make HTC more money 
Omegalul
?
?
Exactly.
does anyone else seem to have the problem of not seeing other people in worlds?
Did you update?
gonna check
There was an update earlier today.
That "fixed" chairs 
Lets downgrade to "un-fix" the "fix"
👀
People get drunk and pass out in VRC then wake up and can't see anyone because they update while you were down.
I barely sit anyway, have you seen my avatar @cold talon ? XD
I'm still waiting for a response from mimi
@crystal fossil Real-life langoliers
Tbh Qhala, for your avatar leaning back 10 degrees and you are already touching the ground
The ground disappears when I sit.
hm yeah, cant seem to update vrchat for whatever reason
Sounds like an exploit to me 
And if there was anyone under my chest then God speed.
im stuck in build 860
Time to remove qhala
D:
Since it wasn't an intended behave our and cannot be supported for future updates
What I do? ;_;
Maybe restart Steam?
tsk tsk tsk glitching players thru the map, making the ground disappear, that's some pretty buggy stuff my dude, can't allow that into this game, what if someone uses it in murder?
people use the skateboard for that ^ sad really.
It's funny in murder because if I'm the murderer I hide the knife in my boob xD
And people just collapse when I walk towards them.
is vrc down btw?
If it only was because of the knife 
That is kinda cheaty... or rather very cheaty...
for the past 5 minutes it's been black screen, then load to home, black screen. Deleting cache and restarting steam did nothing
Although it does make me a very easy target, just aim at my general direction. I also get knifed easy because of my size.
Almost as cheaty as self sitting chairs dare I say
What does seated mode have to do with in-game chairs?
Why are you talking about seated mode, it has nothing to do with it 
I was giving you the alternative solution to the chair issue.
Did you really not figure that out? Lmao
It, doesn't really work like that 
Er, switching to "Seated Mode" makes your avatar stand all the time. That's literally the opposite to the in-game chair issue, lol.
Dont you just love it how much less crashing of game there is now? Just a month or two ago it was horrible.
Standing mode then.
@night pike ye because they removed the self seating on chairs /s
Nono they fixed the super dangerous exploit
@night pike Yeah, I've not crashed for a good while now, which is nice. I did, however, have the game stuck at a max of 11fps yesterday, it was horrible.
Mmk doctors here brb
Aight, God speed @snow wadi
How much hrs u guys got in vrc
too many :>
1.3k on my alt, 2k on my main yikes
I have shitty pc and managed to stay in full pug for an hour although I had constant freezing. Idk if latest update ade any performance improvements, just comparing to recent time to few months ago
Less than I can count
Welp, getting yeeted from hospital with meds.
But if chairs fixed lag then that is great
Whee /o/
I got 4 trusted accs tho
Why would people have alts on a social game?
Alt steam account
Oof, hope alls well soon Qhala ~
Hey nuko make a flying avatar using chairs they are super fun
O h w a i t
Lmao didn't make avatar for months now
Some people might want to be away from friends or not be known anymore so thats one reason for alts
I make alts because achieving trusted is for me a mission got 4 on trusted and other 3 on known
Even tho I just troll my friends with the other ones 👀
It's surprisingly easy to kill your internet self and reset just by making an alt.
My guess.
UsE vpN wHeN plaYinG vRchaT
Inb4 Alting is not an intended behavior and will be remove
I mean, alting does seem a bit creepy to be honest....
I stalked some people with alts
Lol. VPN used to crash VRC. My IP throttles me when I use a VPN now that net neutrality is gone.
Lol if I use normal ip I can barely load into
vrc
But when is use vpn everything works
Fast af
Vpns are always slower because more hops to make, no way around that 
that's not true at all
Cant you really find better internet provider?
often, a vpn can be much faster if the normal routing of your ISP sucks
which usually it does
How shitty are your country's isps wtf
many people notice a general increase in stability by using a good VPN
VPNs are normally slower, but not always. I know a bunch of websites actually work much faster if I route through my proxy server in a completely different country, which is weird and somewhat annoying.
TeLekOM o2 VodafonE baD
Well if your isp routing sucks than yes, vpn is faster, but what isp do yall use
doesnt really matter. it can be different area to area for each isp
Yeah, I'm on an unstable 24Mb connection 😦
I got 100 in a village 👀 @crystal fossil
I have 100mbps. I had a friend in Philippines urban that could only get 14mbps max.
ok
I could get 300 here buuut.
Where the fword do u live
Lol I live in a German village and get a 100mbps
And could go up to 180
But that's the maximum my ISP can give
Just wish there was a package that gives you more UP instead of just more and more DOWN.
I got 50up
Up down?
USA ISPs think it's all about the DOWN.
Oh yeah upload download
50 upp 👌
I live in a city and the max we can get here is 1gb/s thru fiber, but idk if the price is justified
I have 1Gb/s down and up. using my VPN I dont notice a difference in the speeds I usually get
Lol 100 down and 10 up.
I have noticed things in vrchat improving using the VPN though. such as first loading into the world. not the download, but, the world load
Looks like I've resynced, I now have 22/5.2 😦
4:3 ratio for me
Wonder if world load is about number of object also.
Avatars stayed at 100% for so long the more objects they had in hierarchy.
Does it really make enough difference having 100mbps+? Almost everything takes max few minutes to download which is not long
What you really want is a low ping
I'll say, it's usually not noticable. I think steam is the only think that I have seen that can take advantage of 100Mb/s or more
Well, I downloaded Destiny 2 on Steam in an hour and a half. My friend took 5 hours.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
You can have 10gb/s but with a ping of 800 than, that's a no go
Having 180 down feels like a joke when upload is 2
^
Lol
2 on upload 
180 down wouldn't even work with 2, it would saturate it.
Lol Quest, now. If you get the cable.
Sounds like my phone network provider
The only thing 180 really functions for is Netflix and YouTube 👌
slow upload speed is a scam that ISPs do on people who dont know better! I have heard that complaining will often get them to change the upload speed, just by asking about it
Quest still has a lot of caveats, don't assume it's better than the Rift S.
It's better with the cable they added.
Not where I live. It's cable infrastructure that only gets downstream upgrades
Getting 50k/s ulpaod on phone connection 
@crystal fossil Do you know all the compromises the cable makes?
I know the versatility makes it better than the Rift S, generally. But no, not really.
It'll still be rendering BELOW the panel resolution. It'll still have forced foveated rendering. It'll be using lossy video compression to send the image to the display, etc.
S has way better comfort, pain can 100% ruin you will to play vr
I have a few second hand accounts that the quest is super uncomfortable after a short while, so even with the cable ~ I dunno, probably wouldn't be something I'd recomment.
People really need to stop blindly recommending the Quest
The Quest is also the most uncomfortable headset I've ever used.
If you have small or big ipd quest could be better cheap option.
@vocal shard It doesn't connect to your phone.
Oh, you need an app to do initial setup, but that's it.
I'm not sure if it's a problem or not, Adolf, but political speech and avatars and such aren't allowed, so you might wanna change nickname on this server
You don't need your phone connected in any way past that point.
"need an app" I bet it requires a ton of permissions lol
Well you can delete the app after initial setup anyway.
Well, it does force location on to connect to quesr which I despice
Allow quest to make and manage calls 
Just use a burner phone, lol
Allow quest to read emails
Allow quest access to contacts
Allow quest your left kidney and firstborn child
Allow quest access to mic and camera
Every time I need to use phone app to ocnnect to quest I temporarily allow it and make sure the app wont run in background afterwards
Allow quest to acces GPS for more accurate location 
Disable the GPS and it pings your nearby networks and triangulates your position just slightly less accurately than GPS (like 5 meters)
Because fuck what the user thinks and what the user wants
But anyway, people saying "get the Quest, it's better than the Rift S now you can connect it to a PC" because it's got a load of "but..." limitations which everyone blindly ignores. I have no idea why people fanboy over that headset so much.
1$ from selling your contacts is more important than your user experience, apparently.
Could be advertising or just the fact that it's easily accessable for normies too now
Hey, it's either ads or that 
Or both if you let them
"senator, we run ads"
App literally reads deleted data 
Take that delete button
Ye, just removes the markers for that data
Gotta rewrite all bits with 0 

hi everyone
Bye lol
rawr
nya
oh i didn't wait
thanks man
VRChat won't update for me.
Did you try restarting steam entirely ?
Yes.
Even went to the point of killing all related processes.
Are you sure it hasn't already updated?
Build 860, not latest.
Cannot see others.
Maybe reinstall the whole game? I’m not sure
hi everyone
Ello
bro, i still gaming on 801
and you will know why 😠
a fix that could have had colliders fixed where you collide and made a cool feature
but yeah, it shows that they are willing to ruin fun
cause 2 of my avatars used the bug and now are useless
but yeah, enjoy the bug 😉
How did the self-sitting chairs work? What was the result?
just whip on finalik and when you sit on it, move the ik at root up a bit
and it will make you move forwards
jetpack :0
its easily doable if you know how finalik works
vrchat just decided "fuck it" and removed it as everyone liked jetpacks on avatars
but the doubt is the world creators probably complaining about it
Not sure I even saw any avatars with stuff like that on them
people barely use final ik, its a bit complicated
Anyone else having issues with the website and the game itself? I sent in my ticket already but I was curious if I was the only one having login problems. (I login and it reverts me back to said login 5 secs after having logged in then when I login once more it forces me to accept the new terms of service only to revert me back to the login screen once again)...As if my account isn't verified when I know it to be so as I've been on it for around 2yrs now and am a trusted user.
same with animators
but yeah, any finalik use on chairs is broken currently in latest update
@shy trench Login works fine on my end
even the one that just turns it off?
Hmm
i had stations with a dance animation that turn your ik off
finalik on chairs using animation was used to disable head movements, which now, its completely broken

portable mmd stages now RIP as well as some pole ones 😦
What, final ik is easy wdym
its easy, just pretty broken with chairs to remove the local chair thing
Ghosto I'll slap your cheeks, stop spreading misinformation 
But the whole self sitting on chairs wasn't limited to jetpacks, you could have entirely new locomotion
And not limited by the snail pace default running.
There were some really cool applications of it, like people having little cars they could get in and drive around
Cars were a pretty big thing, since you could have working ramps and all, it was a full on driveable rigid body
yay servers are fubar'd again and im being kicked from a friends-only into a public lobby, so fun! (not). pls ... https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/connection-issues-should-reconnect-users-into-same-instance-not-drop-users-into
But hey, can't have those chairs because people would use them to cheat in murder 
Not that you can pretty much noclip around with a modified client and not get banned for weeks
Heck, just use colliders
Oh no, what have I done.
They are gonna remove those too now

Btw this is my issue no matter how many times I click login or accepting the terms it sitll reverts.
So weird that it lets you see the page for like 2 seconds before going back to login
I know I hit the back button once and it said missing credential's as if my account wasn't verified which is my biggest concern really.
Hopefully my ticket will be read and a solution or fix will occur at the very least otherwise I wont be on for a hot min till it's resolved.
You could try using a different browser
Tried that
Still does it plus when logging into the game it shows 0.00% / (Blank)
Takes forever to ever get to showing im loading into a world because the load screens take forever.
@cold talon they tried and failed as it pissed enough people off
but not with the jetpack thing
cause 2019
about the last thing I'd expect from a company with the financial constraints vrchat has is expensive prizes, i don't agree with the editorial at all
Yeah, same. If they had that much spare cash knocking around, they'd probably have more developers.
they're using the cash they do have to hire more developers right now
if they were offering expensive prizes I'd think they were out of their minds
Or they could just, not have a contest at all and keep the money
You mean a free to play game isn't giving out expensive prizes? That's unacceptable!
I don't see the problem that content creators interested in the contest, who btw have already made several avatars for nothing in return, get a reward for once
yeah and that's what they're doing -- just small rewards that aren't going to make any difference in operating budgets really
it's a nice community gesture
Yup. And right now most of the content creators that make public content probably don't get anything in return at all
Well, you make content because you want to make content. No one is forcing you. It's a passion or hobby, like doing your avatar. I think the little prizes they have set up is a nice gesture. You don't have to participate in the competition if you don't want too, it's meant to be a bit of fun.
Exactly.
I coded full body to work from 4 infrared cameras with added skeleton tracking. Talk about being bored when you own full body. It actually works really well so far.
Trying to create the best but cheapest full body. :/
I bet thats satisfying after getting it to work xD
No 4 hour battery life either
Oh yeah, that's even better.
Plus it works through thin walls / meshs.
Meaning clothing over trackers doesn't do anything now.
Is it like the Kinect setup people do?
Now I'm curious.
With kinect you would only track from one direction
This has 360 degrees.
But could work from one camera for 360 degrees.
Thanks to infrared.
Wow
Can't over-disclose until I sign an NDA.
I wouldn't even know how to start with that kind of setup so consider me impressed.
Well done
And maybe a bit jealous.
I have my own software that is one click to setup.
Plug usb infrared cam in, start my software.
Over 9 algorithms.
How long did it take you just to create the software alone?
Although, can be CPU intensive and GPU intensive depending on settings.
Only a few days.
HTC slow af.
Irony is I used C# instead of C++
You are going into things, I sadly, have little knowledge about but I am all starry eyed and impressed. 😄
I do have a full time job that collides with this, but I want to do my best.
Less than £40
Wow, that is nothing.
I payed 40€ for a modified kinect
I want to try to find cheaper options for people, but if this is the cheapest, then meh.
£40 is far cheaper than the hundreds of pounds I paid for a HTC Vive Tracker. 😄
This is only the skeleton part of the tracking merging, and is the max I can show without signing an NDA. As you can see by the hips, it is tracking front of pelvis and back. https://imgur.com/a/TpjNfx4
I imagine there's still a significant latency difference between a CV-based tracking system compared to something like vive trackers.
Even including processing time?
Hmm, this looked amazing and then got removed the next day due to the patch. Amazing timing... https://www.reddit.com/r/VRchat/comments/dcbbk3/media_i_put_together_an_iron_man_flight_system_in/
Still more latency than lighthouse but a lot better than Kinect. I imagine with some degree of motion prediction that apparent latency can go down even more.
I've barely optimised it yet as I'm focusing more on cutting out false positives.
Such as a second person or dog.
Or heater/radiator/light
What I've been looking into is an version of this for mounting to head or shoulders with a camera spanning each side for balance tracking full body. It can be made very light.
Combine that with mixed reality and you have portable full body on laptops.
Welcome to when a rare drinker touches alcohol with a brain.
So far I've made 4 prototypes of that, only one never failed which I am working on currently.
The real question is if I charge for my software or not when I already have a full time high pay job. :/
Just charge a small amount, enough to get a little income from it, but not enough for people to worry about buying it due to cost.
So d4vr but not coded by someone without eyes, gotteet.
...how to joke about d4vr in the software without risk of lawsuiting.. hmm
Also still need a name instead of HeatTrackingTestPepega.
I'm also going to code a kinect full body tracking tool but that actually takes advantage of the hardware in the kinect 2.
...my vrchat still is stuck on 860*..
i kinda want to play vrc but idk what i would do if i do
just play it lol
Walk around, talk to people, find interesting things going on. Make an interesting avatar and parade it around, etc.
Do some weeby shii.
@sour lily go to loli lord's game show?
Stare into a mirror for hours on end
that starts in 4 hours. Check "events". Always something to do. Try to beat last year's holloween worlds?
I have vrchat spread over 4 monitors when in vr.. talk about to kill a gpu.
hi everyone
sucks thaht you can lose yorue trusted rank by unfriending people 😛
helpful
Should have used the one from the Canny that has Pill's head on it
LOL youre right
Is this in response to the station stuff
Oh, it's been removed. This is still there though - https://canny.io/images/e15217d2b7ddf01a5a102b64593d39c7.png
This is to them for removing a feature that people found fun, and they have no good reason why it was removed other than "FlYiNg"
The reason is its not intentional
If they leave it in for long enough, ripping the bandaid off at a later date could be troublesome, and leave alot of content broken.
Press x to doubt
Which part do you doubt? Its also not a feature.
A component in unity that was allowed to be used for sitting was a component they made, a feature
The original unity chair was removed and replace by vrc chairs
i want vc
Sitting on your own chair was not a feature ;-)
It sure is bud
Picking up a chair you're sat on though, good god, I almost threw up.
And someone found out a system to produce a mechanic of flying and they remove it because it somehow is "exploiting" but if it was a unity chair, removed, replaced by vrc chair, a chair for vrc, then clearly its a feature added, you can sit and say its not but obviously it is, open your eyes from the erp world
Haha, alright my guy 😆
If you are going to talk about a subject, know what you're talking about to avoid looking the way you do.
Im sad its gone too, but atleast I can grasp the concept.
@dusk tinsel Because it was not supported and rather strike it down now (cant defend them breaking other things with it lul) then wait, have people think its an intented thing and then get shit for breaking it in a update even though it was never supported
And no, its not inteded because else id be documented and not have to be found by doing some janky shit
Why are you talking mr what like 60k plus msgs now? You live here your words dont matter
I get payed to chat in here LUL
I get payed to waste my time waiting untill buttons on a bashboard go red
If someone lives here then they know what they're talking about, eh?
Not really, this guys knowledge of anything common, same as yours is rather lack luster
Sorry you feel that way 🙂
Lol youre mad
Super!
Guess lacklusting knowledge means we can be part of a Top 100 Startup :thonk:
iwantvc
Then join the game and talk there
Not allowed to be passionate about a community, Oclac. Its simply not allowed 😉
Yeah paid to talk in a discord, now thats how you know the games garbage lol
@vestal pier Well tbh im this active in more then a few communities by now as how else can i waste work time
..
I don't think he means paid by VRC, lol
@dusk tinsel You realize im not a worker of this game right?
Have fun strokin the devs friends :)
We got the sour grapes argument out of em, i guess that means we win?
You legit think that and call us lackluster in knowledge?
And if you cant make out of those 60K msgs that i have had more then my fair share of beef with the devs i lose all hope for you
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hi everyone
I’m supprised no one has made a john wick or hotline Miami video on vrchat
What does a john wick or hotline Miami video even mean
I mean the style as one
What? Like just shooting stuff?
Not many people make cinematic vids in vrc, it's hard.
I wish there was better ways to make videos in vrc
Requires a lot of space in FBT and network IK would make all the avatars other than the recorder look janky.
There are, just record a video. The other parts are whats hard
Id love to see a way to stablize the camera while moving really
Like hand held stabalizer
Are there mod support in vrchat?
Nope
huh it be pretty cool to have mods
I know you can put custom maps/models/etc. but more like addons to vrchat it self
hi everyone
when blender crashes on you
Sup
is bhaptic supported in vrchat? someone told me yes but i never heard of that
@steady kayak in a hacky way, yes
I don't have the details but it involves an avatar camera painting some data to the desktop window which is read off by an external application
So it is the truth
someone claimed to me a custom client (i know its frowned upon)
still secretly hoping vrchat to open up a little to third party developers in certain aspects of vrchat with a pre screening process.. maybe against a fee to fish out people that are really serious (and to fund that departement)
@slow halo So, how is it? (or are you in game?)
@steady kayak well having an external app read a screen capture isn't modifying the client itself so it should be fine
Uhh
So it was working great. Then I took the headset off to look at my phone. Now it won't go back on...
hmm. It won't wake up
Call my name and save me from the dark
Has the HDMI cable come slightly loose?
Yikes
When I rebooted it didn't like my headset being plugged in. Had to unplug the HDMI before it gave me my screens back
Do you keep yours plugged in all the time or only as needed?
@vocal shard what pose estimator are you going to use?
I keep mine plugged in but it's set to Direct Mode in Steam which means it does't show up as a display, only a VR device.
@lunar cedar I will not disclose things like that without an NDA at this point.
As I still need to file my patent and form it.
Okay what style of pose estimator?
Okay, what styles of pose estimator?
Ok, how do I sign an nda with you?
Private contacting for once.
What are you even making 👀
Lmao. You can't copy someone's algorithms by knowing they used a DNN or a random forest tree.
Then I'll form the agreement under online form.
I've disclosed enough earlier that is risky enough.
I think he's going to play it safe here
^
you think
Now leave me to my coding. Still need to get it better with false positives.
I've decided it will be freeware in the end result.
Only HW would be paid.
hey guys,whats up
Outy~
Just, use an anti false positive algorithm
If only it was as simple as just poof
"It's only as simple as you want it to be"
-said someone who has no lige experiance
It's only as simple as is functional.
Anywho, imma head out.
I get way too addicted to yapping.
Hi
Greetings
whatsup
If its not multi user it shouldn't be so hard to filter random false positive spots, even better if you got multiple cameras, anyway gl krew
It probs isn't as easy as it sounds though

🤔
Depends on what level he wants to filter the data/what type of data he is working with, considering he was talking about ir cameras he is probably working with blobs
You say that like I know what that even means D:
Why not just use an adversarial nn if you're doing something "multi-algorithmical". My gods is that dumbest term I've ever heard.
I mean I could probably with minimal success sign an NDA with him too and be just confused by everything
I'm too simple minded for that stuff
Literally every piece of software is "multi-algorithmical" if you weren't aware
Well except code snippets that model exactly one thing, but that's not software
you gotta use technobabble so you look smart 🙂
polyalgorithmic
Wdym, using a recursive neuronal network multi algorithmical deep learning multi layered reinforcement noder graph is the new hot thing @tidal aspen
[ERROR]
Admit defeat yall
Throw an adversial recurrent convolution in there and you've got a Nobel winner
@onyx pond
@faint skiff what is the nda regarding topic wise?
Sorry that under NDA
Que?
yeah bro it uses machine learning algorithms
linear regression
I would tell, but I signed an nda too
Wait, why did you ping enverex, he wasn't even in the discussion 
Anyone able to help me with something VRChat can't fix?
Well its hard to solve a problem if you dont tell us what it is
Depends
We can try, but have already tried #vrchat-support ?
I just reset my password and VRChat decides not to let me in.
I already tried.
No one relpied.
it's been like a month.
Or so.
use your email and new password to log in
Oh fuck the kinect is big
Ignore what i wrote, read what ya wrote wrong as im sleep deprived as shit
Not all Kinects are made equal paci
Alrighty.
Tried using your old password and tried resetting it again?
Like reset my whole computer?
No the password
I already reset it.
Try to reset it again
I can't it won't let me anymore.
I've tried many times.
VRChat in now broke.
Now I can't play anymore due to some bug.
Have you considered checking if you didnt mess up yourself?
Maybe a typo in the password or a wrong mail
Nope.
Or just try another browser
Wrong language selected?
No.
I struggled for quite a while once when I had that
Rather not right now
Alrighty.
I usually saw that issue happen if someone's trying to login with their username and not their email but you say you're logging in with your email. So I'm not entirely sure what's going on. hmm...
Weird
looks like a known issue with the current Windows 10 release where if you turn off the WMR portal software (SteamVR version or normal), you have to either reboot or sign out/sign in for it to work again
and if you reboot, it takes a bit longer for your PC to recognize your real monitors
very weird
Or just unplug and replug your hmd
Time to relax now. And as for @slow halo uninstall the update which caused it; simple.
I use WMR and don't have that issue (Have index too)
windows 10 version 1903?
Yes.
... Apparently I'm on 1809. The heck
I use the Odyssey+ and haven't seen that on 1903 or 20h1
I never restart my PC really due to way too much projects open.
Your the reason windows forces people to update 'without a warning'
that hurts
I usually check my updates. 1809 is less than 15 days old, give me a break
For me to lose data? Nah.
1909 is already reported to break shii.
I was an insider, so probs why.
And the news on 1909 is likely insider build.
I opted out of insider not long ago.
I see what happened
Weird. I always check my updates and yet somehow missed the giant button offering 1903
Steam is bullying me.
VR meming time.
Btw, for common steamvr crashing with WMR, don't change any global settings for AMD GPU's.
And if so, reset them at least for vrc.
Caused constant crashing for me.
For me, it was crashing steamvr constantly in general.
I'm honestly just trying to come to terms with this nauseous feeling I feel
I was totally fine until I started moving my avatar around
Nope. Disconnect between motion on screen and me not actually moving
Hmm. :/



