vrchat-general-2

[verbal blade]

literally everywhere?

[glad hazel]

well like only very little chest is covered

[pseudo bobcat]

My understanding is that if the nipples are covered its safe

And removed from the model itself

[compact river]

[glad hazel]

I have to admit I am kinda sad to see so many sexualized models

I like art is all

[compact river]

You know not the power of pron young one

[pseudo bobcat]

Just don't use em

[glad hazel]

no I know that

I've been making avatars almost 2 years now.

[compact river]

Orkel your typing is scaring me

[pseudo bobcat]

In what way

[compact river]

Just like avatars

[glad hazel]

i don't remember it being so sexual back then

[pseudo bobcat]

[compact river]

I remember seeing those parts in public worlds in 2017

Nothing new

[verbal blade]

I still have yet to figure out how to download avatars

[pseudo bobcat]

The game was more niche years ago. Now it's taken over by the general gaming community so expect lots of erp and e-thots in skimpy animes

[verbal blade]

or

upload idk

I wanna get a titanfall avatar but when I tried to get it in there was this whole complicated process

im also in the middle of a game so its hard to keep typing while playing

[pseudo bobcat]

Takes a while to learn avatars

[verbal blade]

yeah

I want to learn now bc my friend wants to get a quest so she and I can play

which reminds me

can the quest and other systems link together?

Im assuming no bc theres a different channel for it

[queen mango]

Quest and PC players can play together in cross-platform worlds. Though, PC avatars cannot be shown in Quest due to the latter's hardware limitations.

[verbal blade]

oh okay

great thank you

[queen mango]

[slender bridge]

So when next halloween submit event ?

I wanna explore more worlds

[vocal shard]

#user-support-old for anyone who knows how to fix issue w crashing

[sterile ingot]

Oh no, I'm going to have to deal with VR sickness to play the vrchat games. 😧

Well, I guess I have to get my VR legs somehow . . .

[flint ore]

Still sucks VKET3 is done.

Kind of wished it stayed up for preservation with avaters.

[lunar shell]

I miss The Hall. Music was great too.

[cold talon]

All things must come to an end

[flint ore]

And the words were so well made.

[lunar shell]

I wanted to test another avatar.

[cold talon]

And I wanted to yoink all the avatars

[vocal shard]

where do you post issues-

[flint ore]

Someone is even trying to keep them in a world. (Fave and post.)

[vocal shard]

Hi

I'm Foxy

[lunar shell]

It was neat having your own personal mirror.

[vocal shard]

i cant log into my account for some reason

[flint ore]

Its a function that's not only for Vket3.

It's made by someone else then put into the world.

Like a kind of script.

[lunar shell]

#user-support-old maybe

[vocal shard]

appreciate it

[lunar shell]

I'm not sure though

[cold talon]

@vocal shard and try the steps from #vrchat-support (if there is anything related to your situation in there)

[faint skiff]

@lunar shell The worlds remain AFAIK, they just remove the booths.

[glad maple]

Hello

I was absented for to long

[molten gale]

Might remake my world

[vocal shard]

What no. It’s because we found the secret isn’t it

[tough salmon]

yes

[molten gale]

Ill make it bigger

[tough salmon]

good

i go there and just stand in corner

[molten gale]

Only maybe tho

[tough salmon]

ok

paci can you see who join the world

[molten gale]

No

[tough salmon]

oh

my gamer identity remains secret

[winged thistle]

@rough pulsar and anyone else who owns an Index HMD, how do you best clean the face gasket? I'm playing a lot of beat saber so it gets pretty sweaty

just some hot water with a bit of detergent, drying off with a towel and then letting it dry?

[rough pulsar]

@winged thistle I just wipe it down with a damp cloth and let it air dry.

[winged thistle]

mkay

[faint skiff]

The foam on my Index absolutely stinks, it's weird. My Vive is fine, my Quest is fine, the Index padding stinks though, it's weird. I wonder if it's what happens to the memory foam stuff over time when it gets damp.

[winged thistle]

I haven't noticed any smell yet

the only thing that is slightly worrying me is that the skin in my left temple area is slightly irritated, which happens to be the exact spot where the gasket makes contact

but it's only in that area, nowhere else

[faint skiff]

Getting one of those faux leather covers would probably solve that if you are indeed mildly allergic to the material.

[winged thistle]

yeah I'm gonna wait a few more weeks and see. my skin is known for having random outbreaks and shit

are there any 3rd party covers for the index yet tho?

ah vrcover has at least the cotton covers

well guess I know what I'll order with the paycheck this month

actually looks a lot easier to put on than the ones for the vive too

[faint skiff]

The one for the Vive made the FoV better but unfortunately also less comfortable

[winged thistle]

the cushion I found a lot more comfortable than the original one of the vive

but changing the covers was a pain with the velcro stuff

and I think the irritated skin might really just be because of the sweat accumulating, which would probably get solved with the covers that I can just take off and thoroughly wash

but I gotta get my paycheck for this month first... for some reason the accountant apparently thought it would be smart to wait until the very last day of the month to transfer the money to my account...

it's 3pm and I still haven't gotten it and I need to pay rent tomorrow

[vocal shard]

Is it possible to play vrchat on a MacBook?

Or is it windows only

[broken plover]

check on the steam store

[faint skiff]

Windows only, although you could use Bootcamp if your Mac is high enough spec.

[quasi gulch]

@vocal shard You can use Nvidia geforce now

I had a friend playing on a mac using that.

[faint skiff]

The streaming service? Don't you have to pay for that? (and have an Nvidia card?)

[quasi gulch]

Maybe? and nope you can use it on any system.

I think it was free during it's beta stages, might be a payed service now, dunno.

Yeah it's still in beta right now so it's free but there's a wait list for signing up.

[faint skiff]

"FINALLY, YOUR MAC CAN PLAY TOO. Underserved Mac gamers, now you can play any PC game on your Mac without Bootcamp or Parallels.
It also supports macOS 10.10 or better. All supported GeForce NOW titles work on Macs." Fair enough. Looks like it's Beta though.

VRChat is also not listed as a game they support...

[quasi gulch]

It works though.

[faint skiff]

So how does it work? Do you just log into a shadow PC of some sorts?

[quasi gulch]

Basically yeah.
And then it has it's own steam client you can use to download most games.

[vocal shard]

Oh I have GeForce now

I just was told it didn’t work with vrchat

Never really checked though

I’ll try it when I get home

[faint skiff]

Has any madlad tried using the Quest wirelessly via Virtual Desktop, at the same time as using Vive Trackers for full body?

[torn nebula]

@faint skiff I've heard of people having success with such a configuration in the Japanese side of vrchat

[faint skiff]

Any ideas how you get the base-stations to turn on to actually track the trackers?

[torn nebula]

The base stations should be on automatically. However note that you need to edit some config files to enable multiple drivers and use playspace calibrator to align the tracking spaces

I've not done it myself but it should be similar to the way you do FBT with a Rift or Rift S

[faint skiff]

Hmm

[vocal shard]

I just spent eight hours idling with an AFK script and another three or so making friends (my list is about 5), yet my trust rank is still "visitor". Does anyone have any idea how to fix rank up if these didn't work? I also visited about eight public lobbies for an average of 30 minutes each.

[faint skiff]

Ignoring how susp using an "AFK script" is, 8 hours isn't that much and I think general activity factors in. Also 5 friends isn't many.

[umbral reef]

Also that afk script is your problem

[vocal shard]

I highly doubt it

It's a macro (part of my keyboard's software), I just did it because I read the game doesn't take into account time where it detects that you're AFK.

[umbral reef]

And you think that bypassing it like that works? lol

[vocal shard]

Yep

[snow wadi]

You're trying to shortcut the rank system, it's not going to work.

Btw did you know that's reportable?

[vocal shard]

It wasn't on a "social" lobby - I picked it because the only couple people there wouldn't care

[snow wadi]

You shouldn't be using it. Period.

There is no excuse.

[next dune]

Why bother even trying to force yourself to rank up? Like by just playing you will be next rank by no time notice. Specialy if you are still "Visitor rank"

[vocal shard]

I'm only doing this because of the game's retarded rank requirement in order to upload avatars

I have about ten of them already made and prepared for upload

[snow wadi]

Deal with it, we all did.

[umbral reef]

And being banned will just make it harder to get as it means you have to wait or actively bypass the ban with odds of it still clapping you again

[vocal shard]

I can guarantee that neither this game nor any other detects my official keyboard firmware as a hack.

[faint skiff]

I mean, just spend some time learning the game, worlds and other things. You'll rank up pretty quickly.

[vocal shard]

Alright, I'll throw a few more hours in. I've got a day off, after all.

[next dune]

This ^^ Time isn't the only thing that matters tho. You can easy be 30 hours in the game and still be visitor. Just go explore and enjoy what VRC is made for.

[umbral reef]

Also ^ does not mean adding billions of users will help you

[vocal shard]

I got new user after 6 hours of playing

[ivory folio]

Adding users does help, the same way removing them decreases your rank

[next dune]

Well yeah. But not like adding 100 in 1 min. And i think that is what Oclac meant

[snow wadi]

Just play the game as normal, you'll rank up without even noticing the time passed.

[ivory folio]

Just farm requests from trusted users, ez rank up

[vocal shard]

Request?

I’m new sorry

[ivory folio]

I was joking. But getting friended by higher rank users probably ranks you up quicker than lower ranks

[dusky bane]

hi I love VR chat

[tough salmon]

anyone want to vrc rn'

[faint skiff]

6737 people apparently

[mighty terrace]

so is the lpd actually sanctioned or just a for fun thing cause these guys get annoying

[torn nebula]

@mighty terrace it's an unofficial RP group

[mighty terrace]

thanks the only reason i ask is because ive been in two different rooms where they have raided en mass and interupted conversations and such not a big deal but it is annoying.

[short path]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-dancing-bird-word-peter-gif-5454834

[faint skiff]

What's with the constant "tenor.com" gif usage in all the channels?

[short path]

[slow halo]

tenor is the new gfycat

[short path]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-cute-moving-scooting-boogie-gif-15139382

[covert blade]

Random question of the day: are VRChat's ingame servers dedicated ones?

[torn nebula]

@covert blade which ones and in what sense? What is the question you're actually trying to answer by asking that?

[covert blade]

In the sense of how the instances are hosted

Or in other words, where they are hosted

[faint skiff]

They're scalable virtualised servers, on both Azure and AWS for different services.

[torn nebula]

However world logic is executed in player PCs

Which is why I'm digging here - the answer is yes and no, so if @covert blade can say why they want to know this maybe we can give a more useful answer

[covert blade]

Friend was asking this:

shouldnt you get in German servers or is VRChat's server system different?
so theres no dedicated servers at all?
And then I tried to explain to him how you usually connect in VRChat but I also realized that I actually have no idea how it really works myself, other than click on world, click on instance, join, 200ms ping

And lot's of 'muricans in the worlds I'm usually in

[torn nebula]

Ok, this is more useful. To answer your question, a lot of vrchat communication happens through "dedicated" servers hosted by vrchat on the west coast of the US

You cannot host your own relay servers, which is what people sometimes want as a "dedicated" server

Additionally, most of the actual processing happens on player PCs. In particular, an instance ceases to exist if it's empty

[covert blade]

So yeah, I am always connected to something in the states

cries in EU

[torn nebula]

Yep. They mentioned wanting to eventually add more relays, but they have higher priorities, and also it's expensive

[ruby needle]

The big issue is, unless you wanna do region based limitations there will always be people with bad delay

now everyone kinda knows their own as it's consistent

[torn nebula]

Well you could do a discord and have a per instance region. Or just have everyone relay through the nearest relay to the sender

[covert blade]

That'd be really nice but I think for a social VR I can live with the 200ms ping. Friend of mine was just wondering why I wouldn't just join on a German server with people from my own time zone

[ruby needle]

@torn nebula but that exactly has the issue i mentioned

unreliable variable delay every instance

[torn nebula]

Trade-offs

[vocal shard]

hello

i'm looking to purchase VR for my new PC and i was wondering if anyone had any opinions or insight of what i should be looking for?

[flint rose]

does anyone here use v katsu?

[slow halo]

@vocal shard the general consensus seems to be "get the best you can afford." Right now the valve index is top dog, but people will also say getting a used vive is a good bet since it gets you in the valve vr ecosystem

[vocal shard]

Oculus Rift S if you want something on a budget. Perfect all around and starter VR. $400
Valve Index if you want the best, but it's $1000.

Oculus Quest if you want something stand alone that doesn't need a PC. It is getting PC support through streaming through a cable, but the graphics have some compression for PC VR

[slow halo]

Oculus' stuff ain't bad but the new rift S has inside out tracking which means it's no- oh. There you go. Listen to Jamie

@flint rose sorry, no one is answering you. I haven't used it before, not even sure what v Katsu is

[snow wadi]

Too many are underestimating the Rift S, I used a Vive before and my first impression was a pretty bad one. Grey screen within 2 minutes of use. If Oculus mange to improve inside out tracking even more then I would totally ditch even the idea of considering the Index. From my honest opinion with experience on the Rift S, I have yet to complain about its tracking. Unlike the WMR headset I had before it.

[vocal shard]

lol thanks. that was some quick responses

so sounds like i'm looking at the Occulus Rift S. gonna start researching it and saving up my pennies

[snow wadi]

I didn't get the Rift S just because it's new, it was a whole month of research and reviews form others that made my decision.

[vestal pier]

Quest lookin like a nice option right now for real

[vocal shard]

A huge thing for me on the rift S is the lenses. The sweetspot is so good and they are clear with minimal glare

Quest with link is definitely tempting... But the compression and latency (as Carmack just tweeted as a reason still to buy the rift S over the quest) is concerning

[vestal pier]

also rift s/quest tracking is like 3x better than wmr since more cameras @snow wadi

[snow wadi]

Mhm

[vestal pier]

Nice for content creators though, i can test my quest worlds without enlisting the help of random users

The only thing holding me back is that darned parent company 😔

[snow wadi]

I think the quest link is supposed to be a backup solution rather than a mainstream one.

[vocal shard]

hmm... so like what games are you people ripping? so far $550 canadian for VR might be a bit pricey just so i can play BarFights lol

[vestal pier]

ill assume you mean playing?

[vocal shard]

yeah

[vestal pier]

ripping has a different connotation around here 😅

[vocal shard]

sorry... guess ripping could be a tech term still.....

[snow wadi]

Yeah ripping is...totally different meaning xD

[vocal shard]

I play mainly Vrchat, beatsaber, racing Sims. Really though, after getting VR, it's all I want to play

i meant it like "out for a rip are ya bud"

[snow wadi]

Ah you have different terms for your words I take it?

[vestal pier]

Ripping is taking content from other games, in this and many moddable games communities

[vocal shard]

i realize that... after i wrote it

Ripping generally means stealing content/models from games here and uploading them as your own

guys i get it

[vestal pier]

stealing

[vocal shard]

we used to "rip" back in the day

[snow wadi]

Nicking.

[vestal pier]

KNICKING?

[snow wadi]

_>;;;

[vestal pier]

pinching

[vocal shard]

ripping a game.... out for a rip.... to play it

annnnnnnyways

[snow wadi]

Stick with playing lol

[vocal shard]

you don't get to tell me how i speak... but so I don't confuse you guys i will only say rip to people who know what i'm saying i guess

[vestal pier]

VRChat, Beatsaber, superhot vr, i got dirt rally recently really want to play that

[inland maple]

Hey where can I find someone to make an avatar for me? I already have the mmd and stuff

[vocal shard]

k i'm gonna go watch some of those... thank you very much

[vestal pier]

#community-servers-old vrctraders @inland maple

[inland maple]

thanks

[slow halo]

Oh hey a fellow Canadian!

[snow wadi]

Not telling you how to speak, just asking you to be careful with your choice of words. That's all.

[vocal shard]

fair enough. i thought i was being moderated on my speech... which is fine if its like hateful or something. I was just using a term we use around here. its all good

well i'm gonna go rip a few vids ciao

[inland maple]

im sorry but where is vrctraders?

[hollow breach]

In Canadian too :D

[inland maple]

cant find them

[vestal pier]

#community-servers-old

[vocal shard]

Canadians unite! XD

canadians are great!

[hollow breach]

🇨🇦

[covert blade]

🇩🇪 anyone?

[slow halo]

Woo! Let's all be sad that the index isn't legitimately available in Canada but even getting its still 1500 friggin dollars!

[hollow breach]

;;

[vocal shard]

This VR fuseball game looks sick

do you guys say sick?? lmao

[covert blade]

I think we do

Or at least I do maybe I'm just weird

[vestal pier]

we corrected you on one word, you dont have to question your every move

[vocal shard]

Sick is when someone doesn't feel good...
XD

[slow halo]

Does anyone say sick? I'm 30 and still say sick, so I imagine it's not being used anymore by younger people

[vocal shard]

Jk

[hollow breach]

I say sick don’t worry lol

[slow halo]

Haha

[vocal shard]

I'm just being facetious blue....

[vestal pier]

same

[hollow breach]

I want to get the valve index ;;, do u think they will ever ship it to Canada?

[tough salmon]

ill

[ruby needle]

im very sure they will when stock is not a issue anymore

[slow halo]

Eventually

[hollow breach]

oh no ill have to wait long time ;;

[vocal shard]

It will still be about $1500cad

[hollow breach]

I know

[slow halo]

I mean the hope is when it's finally available up here it'll be newer sets with fixed controllers

That too, yeah. Friggin expensive

[hollow breach]

Like i already have the oculus rift, but I want another headset so I can do full body

And no i dont wanna do the hybrid

[molten gale]

Uh, isnt index hybrid too

[vocal shard]

No, it's all on the steamvr tracking system

[slow halo]

Not really? It's all in the same ecosystem

[molten gale]

Huh

Aight

[hollow breach]

its steamvr

[slow halo]

You gotta do some shenanigans to get an oculus to play nice with everything else

[hollow breach]

Ye, like i was gonna do hybrid and follow the tutorial on reddit but i was told that was outdated

[molten gale]

Yeah wish it would be easier

God I hate the oculus app

[hollow breach]

It's not too bad

[tough salmon]

app

[hollow breach]

it has better desktop viewing than the steamVR

[vocal shard]

Why don't you like the Oculus app?

[hollow breach]

in my opinion

[pallid axle]

oh yeah. love the desktop view.

as far as i know steamvr still has the same desktop features it had two years ago?

[molten gale]

Because it makes playing vr laggier and more complicated

I got all my vr gamess on steam

[pallid axle]

ummm you could try skipping steamvr! wasn't there a replacement?

[hollow breach]

Really? Even when the time Oculus gave out i think $15?

i got beat saber on oculus store :3

[pallid axle]

opencomposite! that's what i meant

@molten gale , try that out of steamvr is giving you trouble.

it's very very lean, i don't even think it has a user interface.

[vocal shard]

Oculus isn't the only one that needs it's own app. Wmr, pimax have their own that runs on top of steamvr too so the headset is functional

[molten gale]

I got all my games on steamvr

[vocal shard]

Yeah, me too

[molten gale]

so uh cant really play wirhout it

[pallid axle]

@molten gale you can use opencomposite instead of steamvr.

[vocal shard]

I just play on steamvr, and run the app on top. It doesn't affect performance much for me

[molten gale]

But I want my games and playtime

[pallid axle]

you still have those.

[molten gale]

My pc isn the best so occulus app might affect my fps slightly

It will only get worse now that ill have kinect fbt soon

[hollow breach]

actually no

not by much, before yes it did but it has gotten a whole lot better

Youll be fine Paci

Take it from the guy who has i5-4440

[pallid axle]

i can think of two ways to increase performance: using the oculus tray tool (which, for example, lets you remove oculus home) or using opencomposite (which skips steamvr)

[molten gale]

i got an i5 7400

and 3 gb of vram

[slow halo]

Hey a fellow Canadian and a fellow crappy cpu owner!

I've got an i5 4690k

[hollow breach]

mine is da worst :3

@molten gale I use to have 4GB, ran a GTX 760

[sour lily]

https://a.vin.pet/i/u4q6hf1u.png

i feel weird just because they're all visitors lol

im the only new user there; usually im surrounded by trusted and active users

[umbral reef]

What kind of image hosting url is that 🤔

[sour lily]

friend's

[wild cape]

I have 8gb of ram but no graphics card so rip

[sour lily]

oof

some random person was petting me in vr and i weirdly feel happy

[vocal shard]

The power of headpats

[sour lily]

ill be honest; i want more

[vocal shard]

[sour lily]

eee

sadly i cant like fully accept the pats since im not a vr user

[slate verge]

@vocal shard hi jamie! i miss you

[vocal shard]

Miss you too!

[slate verge]

[vocal shard]

Will have to meet up again

[slate verge]

sure~

[dark temple]

Question: Where can I find the pictures I took with the in-game camera?

[covert blade]

Under the "Pictures" folder in Windows.

https://i.imgur.com/ExwhVYZ.png for instance

C:\Users\%username%\Pictures\VRChat

@dark temple

[dark temple]

THank you

[covert blade]

👍

[sour lily]

there's a ingame camera?

i use the steam screenshot function.

[ruby needle]

if you have VR, yes

[languid beacon]

For VR only yes, there's a portable camera/mirror

[sour lily]

ah

[swift flame]

How do you use in game camera?

[jagged sigil]

Magically

[slow halo]

carefully

[faint skiff]

Indubitably

[languid beacon]

What's with the VRC Home mirror? No mirrors in the game lag me except the VRC Home mirror

[rigid crescent]

Maybe it's like the markers. They have their own internal mirror that just lags you so you don't stay in the home too long :3

[ruby burrow]

To use the camera you just select it from you quick menu, and then move it about with your hands.
For desktop mode the option simply isn't there, far as I'm aware.

[sour lily]

since you can use your menus and f12

also i kinda find it funny to join the mmd world as my casual avatar since this happens often https://a.vin.pet/i/alnkv7nk.png

[desert stratus]

ayy shintarou ^

[slow halo]

help

[sour lily]

what?

[slow halo]

Nevermind. All good

What would cause someone to only see the error bot avatar? On pc?

He's on quest, nevermind

[sour lily]

yeah i saw someone with one earlier and i thought it was just a normal avatar lol

they were a quest user too while i was a desktop user

[uncut trail]

is steam down ?

Can't sign into steam atm what going on

[ruby needle]

Aparently

https://steamstat.us

Another major outage it seems

considering we just had one a few days ago this is... interesting

[uncut trail]

How am i suppose to login to vrchat via desktop mode when steam is down

[glad bolt]

You don't. 🤔

[errant hare]

Log in with VRChat account instead of Steam

[glad bolt]

You have to start from Steam just to login though, yeah?

[uncut trail]

Yes

[glad bolt]

Well, it's a hecked situation now, it seems. :(

[ruby needle]

start the game from the folder directly

or try steam offline

[errant hare]

I start it from Steam few minutes ago and it loged in

[rigid crescent]

Not having a VRC account in 2019

[latent moat]

What's wrong with not having a vrc account

[hollow breach]

^

So insensitive

[latent moat]

^ indeed

[vocal shard]

[noble cove]

When's Udon coming out?

[vestal pier]

At some point

[rigid crescent]

Estimated date was what? Q4?

[vocal shard]

Hey, I'm not sure people can hear me in VRChat . How can i check

Hi

yo

[vale palm]

in the vrchat.com user list if you search for someone

why are some orange outlined and some green

oh nvm its trusted level

[vocal shard]

How can i check if my mic is working?

[fallen wyvern]

Uh boy

[hollow breach]

Go up to someone and ask them a question

See if they reply

[vale palm]

Doesnt work if you hang out with mute desktop users only

[fallen wyvern]

Theres always that guy standing in the front of a mirror, doing nothing and answer nothing to ppl in pudge bar

[full yew]

is there any murder solving rp servers?

or just rping adventure of any kind

[amber badge]

I feel like a true Vrc user

[vocal shard]

hey i need some advice on vr headsets

[covert palm]

What specifically?

[vocal shard]

what would be better, an og vive for $300 or a rift s for $400?

[rugged schooner]

do you want full body or nah

[covert palm]

^ That will pretty much decide your choice.

[vocal shard]

yes

im just worried about the resolution on the vive

are the pixels noticeable on it?

[covert palm]

I can't say unfortunately as I only have tried the daydream (once) and have a rift s.

[vocal shard]

it's okay!

[rugged schooner]

The vive is kinda fuzzy but you’ll get use to it

there’s also the pro which almost eliminates it but it’s still noticeable from a far distance (also it’s more expensive)

[vocal shard]

yeah i've looked at the pro but im trying to stay at the 300 400 price range

so the vive is better for full body tracking?

[rugged schooner]

not better it’s just you need 2 base stations plus trackers. Which will end up costing you more if you get the rift

[covert palm]

Well, getting the rift s and aiming for fbt will require you to get the base stations alongside the trackers so it's cheaper to just get the vive. I think.

[rugged schooner]

that ^^^

[vocal shard]

yeah the 300 vive bundle im looking at has everything included

im just torn the most between the resolution and if it's worth the 100 difference for the rift s

[covert palm]

Also worthy of noting is that if you get the rift and the trackers you'll end up having to run more software than otherwise.

[vocal shard]

got it

[rugged schooner]

well to describe the difference, one you’ll have to adjust the headset to read notes while the other will allow you read notes no prob

also there’s the vive cosmos which is an entirely different beast

[covert palm]

I recommend the vive if you really want the FBT.

[vocal shard]

okay

thanks for the help guys

[muted pine]

heya anyone know about modeling prices and such. Ive been talking to some guys over at vr chat that are a little concerned with the conditions of the commission I asked to be made

[rugged schooner]

it depends on the person and what your asking for

there’s not really a value you can place, it’s all up to them

[muted pine]

hmm

@rugged schooner if interested in what in helping me figure it out check avatars, thanks for trying to help in advance

[gaunt crypt]

Hi, I am stuck in the big avatar, the geomentry of avatar hids the menu, I cannot switch to different avatar, help.

[rigid crescent]

try ctrl+\

or ctrl+/

[gaunt crypt]

ty, you are my man

[fickle plinth]

Oculus 6 gonna be the bomb

due to no controllers xD

[umbral reef]

in most games its not doable

[hollow token]

Yeah

Almost all VR games require VR controllers...

[covert blade]

Not too surprising considering that's what current VR headsets usually come with

[umbral reef]

And from using hand tracking before. It kinda sucks to pick up things and hold them without anything being there. broke my vr time atleast. Touching stuff and poking it works but eh

[hollow token]

IF only there was like

Gloves you could get that vibrates? When you touch something?

You can't just touch and pick up something and have no response

[covert blade]

Your hand would still be empty

I do know that haptic vests / suits are in development that let you "feel" body touches

[dawn pecan]

From what I've heard they're incredibly. I even saw a VR guy with "Haptic suit" written above the avatar

He was using the avatar of some popular Japanese tech guy. Could have been official but I don't know

[cold talon]

There are some gloves that have magnetic locks on them, so when you grab something the fingers will get locked, giving the feeling of something "being" there

[dawn pecan]

I was just about to suggest doing that lol. You just need a resistance in the glove

Could even base it on the texture of what you're picking up

[cold talon]

The issue is, there is no software support for it, just a single demo

[dawn pecan]

Wouldn't be too hard to make I'd say

[cold talon]

You could recreate the material hardness sort to say, but not the texture

[dawn pecan]

The percieved radius of the object could be written on the object using the VRChat SDK. Just like how haptics (vibration) is just a RPC-call

[umbral reef]

Still the price though

[dawn pecan]

Yeah I meant the physics texture, if the resistance is all at once, or gradual

[umbral reef]

And the wide scale acceptance of the product is also a thing
And having it be easy to develop for ingame and edit games

[dawn pecan]

Program <-> controller communication (again, like the haptics) but yeah it will need to be popular first

[cold talon]

The cheapest one used like some sort of servo on each finger, so that shouldn't be too expensive

[umbral reef]

How big are these gloves even 🤔

[cold talon]

But it has quite a long way untill it becomes mainstream-able, the prototypes can be a bit annoying with the motor sound and don't look super confy to have servos glued to the back of the glove

[umbral reef]

sounds like a perfect student project

[cold talon]

It really do

[dawn pecan]

Sounds fun

[cold talon]

Wonder how it would be if it detects overlaps with a mesh instead of requiring dedicated colliders

[dawn pecan]

Overlap detection is collision

And sometimes you pick up very large objects so I'm not sure it'd work in all cases

[cold talon]

Well if you stick your hand in a biggus object it should not trigger

[median lake]

Need a bit of help with the help section of the website.
I made a ticket and it said to watch my email for a way to confirm my address and view the ticket.
However, the email says nothing about how to view the ticket, just general instructions on what to do to prevent problems.

Can't really ask other users in #user-support-old for this as obviously it's out of their hands, and nothing is mentioned on the vrchat help page either. Hoping a chat mod or even one of the team sees this. 😮

[faint skiff]

I'm not sure you can. You'll get replies via email

[solid sleet]

Yo anyone got opinion if the intel i7 9700k is good for VR? (specifically oculus rift s)

[faint skiff]

Is one of the fastest processors available good for VR? Are you honestly expecting the answer to be no?

[solid sleet]

Im not good with vr specs really or stuff to do with them so wasnt really sure

[still lark]

Yeah I dunno, I don't think that's good enough, you should definitely go with an i9 9900k.

[faint skiff]

But to actually answer the question, yes, that processor will be fine.

[cold talon]

You should go with the 10 series and up

10700k is a good choice

[faint skiff]

They're not out are they?

[cold talon]

28 core clocked at 4.2 ghz and turbos up to 4.5

[faint skiff]

I assume 28 was a typo, it's 8 core. 😛

[cold talon]

Not a typo

[dawn pecan]

14 phys 28 hyperthreaded? Sounds strange still

I bet they lose to high-end i7s in single-core performance still

[cold talon]

http://imgur.com/a/ofJyDIm

[dawn pecan]

It's probably shit unless you run a lot of different programs lol

[cold talon]

Not really, cpus with a lot of cores are usially worse for games and domestic apps since lower clocks + limited amount of threads a program can use, but this one can reach really high clocks for that number of cores 4.2> whoo wee

[dawn pecan]

It also depends a bit on architecture, but generally. 4.2 isn't too impressive though, my CPU goes to 5GHz in the bios settings alone

Went from i7 4790k 4.4Ghz to i7 9700k 4.5Ghz (I'd put it higher but I connected the fans to the wrong slots lol)

[faint skiff]

The i7-10700K is 8 core, 16 thread. It's not 28 cores. Not sure where you got that number from.

[subtle trout]

This is so dumb......

[snow wadi]

[cold talon]

Wdym, I'm talking about a 10700 not 9700

[subtle trout]

dies of boredom

[cold talon]

Also 4.2 at 28 is pretty dam impressive, as that is not the boost clock

[snow wadi]

Wait that's without boost?

[subtle trout]

Why does it matter when VRC is only run on one core? Kind of a waste of space....

[snow wadi]

On desktop mode you are correct.

[subtle trout]

AND VR

Check it out.

[snow wadi]

Your VR uses more than a core, not VRC.

[subtle trout]

It's built to run on only one core period.

[covert blade]

period

[subtle trout]

The vr doesnt matter, the app for that is an extension outside of vrc- vrc is the .xex

[cold talon]

Ye vrc runs on one thread, not even one core

[subtle trout]

Exe**

[snow wadi]

Which....still needs to use CPU. What? It's running on air?

[cold talon]

Xex

[faint skiff]

I definitely doesn't run on just one core. I see it spread over all of them on mine.

[subtle trout]

I have a quad core, and it only uses one core to run the vr and vrc...

You need to check your facts.

[covert blade]

🍿

[subtle trout]

I've been here since 2017, I think I would know....

[faint skiff]

"My facts"? lol. Seeing task manager with my own eyes is good enough for me, thanks.

[cold talon]

@faint skiff your resource monitor is lying to you, vrc is defently single thread

[snow wadi]

@covert blade NO!

[faint skiff]

@cold talon You think it's hopping cores?

[snow wadi]

VRC is a single thread, VR isn't.

[subtle trout]

If you partitioned anything, that's why you see that.

[covert blade]

@snow wadi Want some popcorn too?

[snow wadi]

If VR as running of a single core we'd all be crashing and burning.

[subtle trout]

I wish you actually know what you were talkiing about.

It does... why do you think it has so many issues.

[faint skiff]

I'd expect the load on one core to be drastically different than the others if VRC is hitting just one core and VR is using the rest. But they're all relatively uniform...

[cold talon]

That would be so stoopid, uh I mean, not that is exactly what happens enverex

[snow wadi]

I don't? Mine runs fine.

[slow halo]

[snow wadi]

And I'm using a Rift S, just so you know.

[subtle trout]

Everything I am reading on this right now, regardless of your set, runs on ONE core.

[snow wadi]

VR using a single core...what a horrible push for VR if we've reached Index and Pimax...

[subtle trout]

It's poorly designed.

[covert blade]

"Hello my name is [Redacted] what I say is fact if you disagree you're stoopid period deal with it"

[subtle trout]

I'm looking at the information about it right now...

[covert blade]

Link, screenshot

[cold talon]

I tried running it, but it's still uses only one core on my celeron G460

[subtle trout]

Oculus uses one core.

For the Oculus Rift to perform at an optimal level with your computer, we ... We focus on single-core performance CPUs, therefore not every Intel i5 and Intel i7 card ... Upgrade your processor (CPU) or use a different computer that meets our ...

That's from their site.

https://www.oculus.com/p/support/106552619793526/?locale=en_US

[cold talon]

Actually whan a cpu says it has 8 cores it doesn't mean that it uses 8 cores at once, it just uses one and has 7 as backup when one breaks, the other takes over

[subtle trout]

Exactly, thank you.

[cold talon]

Case closed

[slow halo]

This is awful

[subtle trout]

I know right....

[cold talon]

Ye they had to do this because manufacturing smaller and smaller chips means more defects and breaking faster, so it made sense to add backup cores

[subtle trout]

Mission complete.exe

I remember when that wasnt a thing...

I'm getting too old for this.

[slow halo]

19? 21?

[slow halo]

As a fellow 30 year old: yikes

[subtle trout]

<..<

[faint skiff]

So I'm pretty sure Bahka is trolling at this point, but I'm not sure why.

[subtle trout]

No he isnt... he's actually telling the truth.

Learn to take the L.

[covert blade]

"The L"?

[snow wadi]

k Doctor's gone, what did I miss?

Oooh link \o.o/

[subtle trout]

If you dont know what taking the L is, you are too young to be here....

[faint skiff]

"Actually whan a cpu says it has 8 cores it doesn't mean that it uses 8 cores at once, it just uses one and has 7 as backup when one breaks, the other takes over" - That's not how processors work.

[covert blade]

M8 I'm 23 years old

[cold talon]

We were talking about how smaller silicone chips lead to the multicore proccesors

[subtle trout]

But umm that's how the cpu works.

[covert blade]

So I ask again "the L"?

[snow wadi]

Ah so they tuned it down to 1 core.

Guess they're trying to reach it to the masses.

[subtle trout]

You clearly dont know anything about computers, you probably watched a couple of misinformed videos and think you are now a super genius....

[faint skiff]

Well I'm a professional sysad and full-stack developer, but feel free to think whatever you'd like.

[subtle trout]

VRChat was built on one core, and VR was also built for one core... it was never built for more than one, I dont know where you get this idea that it is, unless you partitioned your computer's cores.

[covert blade]

Eaven ya might wanna turn it down just a lil?

[subtle trout]

But even then, it still technically is only running on one core because the amount of data is the same.

I'm not here for 'feelings'.

[snow wadi]

I do agree with your findings @subtle trout , but I completely disagree with your attitude. That is something you need to probably look into, and google is gonna sit this one out.

[subtle trout]

I actually dont care.

[covert blade]

You were unable to answer a simple question

[subtle trout]

I answered, you just didnt like my answer. Not my problem.

[snow wadi]

@covert blade I just noticed your PFP xD

[faint skiff]

There's a good chance the game is mostly single threaded, but I find the per-core utilisation while it's running curious as it's not what I'd expect given VRC only using one thread.

[slow halo]

I need to drive to work but I don't want to miss this. You guys need to stop having hilarious drama when I have places to be

[subtle trout]

Go do some research on an actual computer, and gtfo your phone..... like legit go learn something about computers. Take a crash course so you dont look like a fool in here.

Enverex- you partitioned your cores... that is why you see that, doesnt mean it's running more than one core of data though...

[snow wadi]

Why do you have to use such bad behavior to communicate? Do you do this in the real world as well?

[subtle trout]

Get over it.

[covert blade]

<@&397642795457970181>

[cold talon]

Here I have a video proving that procceseors in fact use only one of the many backup cores, this guy shows how to enable them all too
https://youtu.be/nZ9mv6FkHL4

[subtle trout]

I cant be annoyed?

[faint skiff]

I mean, I assume from your constantly use of insults and childish language that you're infact either a painfully frustrated adult, or a child trying to pretend to be a grown up, but telling people already in highly technical rolls to "learn computers" doesn't achive anything.

I haven't partitioned anything.

[covert blade]

Just gonna let the mods sort that out

[cold talon]

Oh did the thing escalate while I was searching for the vid?

[snow wadi]

Oof you are not worth the IV usage going in my arm right now, I'll just skip you altogether.

[subtle trout]

You obviously did if you see things like vr running on more than one core... which it really isnt though... it just looks like it.

I'm like way past language here...

I have a valid point and it is failed to be seen because people want to be in their feelings.

How sad.

[faint skiff]

Again, I haven't "partitioned" anything. There's a good chance Windows just isn't locking processes to specific cores which ends up giving the appearance of (low) multi-core utilisation.

[covert blade]

People expect that you face them with respect instead of shitting on them

[subtle trout]

I never said I was a nice person, I'm informed unlike the rest of you... Baka really is the one other one who 'gets it'.

[covert blade]

😂

[faint skiff]

Bahka is obviously trolling, I mean they even linked to a spoof video at this point.

[covert blade]

C'mon moderators get yar butts over here 👀

[subtle trout]

Stop saying he is trolling because you are misinformed. Go look it up like I did.

The mods dont care.

[covert blade]

But it's the truth

[subtle trout]

Or they would've already been here.

[covert blade]

Get over it

[subtle trout]

You're such a child.

Anyways

[covert blade]

Then so are you

[vast tulip]

Whay

[subtle trout]

It looks like only two people in this chat actually know anything about computers. That's terrible.

[grand zealot]

While I don't agree with your particular attitude Eaven, just ignore Sasha. They're enabling you.

[covert blade]

Eaven's being quite the nuisance

[grand zealot]

They did the same to me yesterday morning.

[subtle trout]

Get over my attitude. Apparently I cant be annoyed. Stop trying to be the feelings police...

[covert blade]

And ignore Enverex too? Or Qhala?

[subtle trout]

Yes actually.

[grand zealot]

From what I'm seeing, you're the only one continuing.

[subtle trout]

You arent even in this.

[grand zealot]

I don't have to be.

[subtle trout]

Go back to sleep.

[vocal shard]

lmao

[covert blade]

I'm not the only one complaining about Eaven though

[grand zealot]

Who are you again?

[faint skiff]

I'm not even sure what point Eaven was trying to make at this point.

[subtle trout]

Stop talking about me, and read what both Baka and I said.

Like hello, we informed you of the actual information.

[grand zealot]

I don't care what you have to say, Eaven

[subtle trout]

And all you can do is focus on how I say something?

[vast tulip]

It's a quite old meme that vrc is single core only, which it isn't. While you gain more performance with better single core performance of your cpu, vrc is not just running on one core

[snow wadi]

Well...well...well...

[subtle trout]

It does though...

[covert blade]

See Felix? That's why I have a problem with that guy (and others too)

[subtle trout]

Sorry mimi...

[grand zealot]

VRC runs on multiple cores but the way its utilized is not really optimal

[snow wadi]

Now can we please move on from this?

[subtle trout]

I know you're like a mod and stuff, but you should go check again.

[snow wadi]

I've seen enough embarrassment for one day.

[subtle trout]

I'm looking at the info for it right now.

[covert blade]

But I have to return back to work and contribute to society. So see y'all later.

[snow wadi]

o/

[faint skiff]

You're "looking at the info for it"? What info would that be?

[subtle trout]

Single core is just the way this version of unity runs. Newer versions of unity don't have the same problem. But vrchat is using a build that's a couple years old, so it's not that optimized.Jul 29, 2018
Is there a way to have VRChat use more cores on your CPU ...

It's because of unity, that's why... but people dont dig that deep.... and the version that is currently being used is still one core. I dont know where you get the idea it's more than one, I have a quad core and it only uses one...

[vast tulip]

Vrc is multi core already. I do know it will get much more multi core support in the future, with the jobs system, but, for now it's still multi core, just not as much as it will be when they ever get to using the jobs system

[subtle trout]

You havent been on vrc for a year at least Mimi... I havent seen you in the pug or anywhere... so.... how would you know? Because someone 'told you'? Try running it right now.

[vast tulip]

What, I go on vrc at way too much every day

In vr 99%of the time as well

[subtle trout]

Please consider improving multi-core performance somehow. Wallowing at 25 FPS on an 8700k at 5GHz and an overclocked GTX 1080 and seeing that you are ...

Consideration is not the same as it actually running.

I never see you.

I used to... but not anymore.

[faint skiff]

I mean, if you're like this in VRChat then they've probably blocked you.

[subtle trout]

No

Dont assume.

[vast tulip]

I'm on a laptop with a 1070 6700hq cpu. I regularly get 60 fps in most worlds that aren't terrible. I even get 120 often as well. If you're at 25 fps often it's the avatars you're around, especially in the pug

[grand zealot]

^ This
Unfortunately most of the playerbase doesn't know jackshit in terms of optimization with their avatars, so it's always the reason for shit frames in public worlds, or even with friends depending. I'm in the same boat as you are, I can't unblock people who aren't my friends anymore because it gets that bad.

Could be worlds, too.

[vast tulip]

For one, I have dynamic bone blocked on everyone if it includes any colliders and 17 or more bones. I also have all very poor avatars blocked by default, which I selectively show people's avatars based on why it's poor

[solid sleet]

i feel so bad cuz i basically started this whole stupid thing

[grand zealot]

shit happens

[snow wadi]

Mimi isn't the dev, you should know better @subtle trout . The canny is where you should be pushing your suggestions.

[grand zealot]

this happens alot in this discord

[pseudo basalt]

Well considering most vrc avatars use mmd avatars as base it's no surprise stuff isn't optimized

[vast tulip]

I really don't know when you would have seen me in the pug considering I almost never go in public worlds. Friends+ and higher. And no, I'm not "MimiVR" who sleeps in vr on twitch

[grand zealot]

Exactly

It's mostly the TDA shit

[snow wadi]

I completely avoid public, which is pretty sad tbh.

[faint skiff]

@vast tulip I actually seem to get no performance hit/improvement from enabling/disabling dynamic bones, I guess it's just not my bottleneck.

[pseudo basalt]

Well tda was not meant to be used in games so you can't fault it

[snow wadi]

^

This one knows what's up.

[solid sleet]

i dont blame you qhala i do all the time its way more relaxing but sometimes public can be good for fun

[pseudo basalt]

But it's slowly changing with other avatars becoming more prominent like ukon

[vast tulip]

Btw, the pug is one of the most micro optimized worlds. If you are getting really bad frames there it's probably the avatars you are with

[grand zealot]

I literally said it's most of the TDA shit. I'm well aware it wasn't meant for games, but it was a statement

[pseudo basalt]

Which is actually made for games

[faint skiff]

@snow wadi What's the suggestion? "Better multithreading"? I'm pretty sure that's always something they're pushing for but isn't something they can easily do.

[grand zealot]

that it's mostly the TDA shit; and you can't disagree

[snow wadi]

I still go to the pug with friends just not in public.

[solid sleet]

yeah

[pseudo basalt]

I still miss public gaia night every night

[vast tulip]

We just had a big party in the pug this weekend and I was around 40 at the worst time, with me laptop even

It was actually a public instance too

[pseudo basalt]

Haven't been to public in months

[grand zealot]

I miss old VRChat.

[snow wadi]

@faint skiff Think of it this way : It took NCsoft 6 freaking years to code the game Blade and Soul to use more than 1 core. SIX.

[grand zealot]

Now it's mostly a cesspool of TDA, modders, and ERPers. Atleast with the luck I have lmao

[snow wadi]

And I was playing since LAUNCH.

[vast tulip]

Most games don't use more then one core. That's a very new thing

[snow wadi]

Yeah, let that sink in.

[faint skiff]

Doesn't surprise me, splitting things into threads is often somewhere between difficult and literally impossible.

[pseudo basalt]

Blade and '180 ping to a server in your country' soul

[snow wadi]

Don;t remind me, I play at 216ms lol

[faint skiff]

180 ping here too

[snow wadi]

Imagine trying to play KFM with that ping...whooo

My punch arrives next week xD

[pseudo basalt]

Still makes me angry when they ruin a fun game like that by having bad servers

[faint skiff]

@grand zealot What's your avatar then?

[snow wadi]

They merged the servers AGAIN @pseudo basalt

That's not a good sign at all.

[pseudo basalt]

I haven't played in maybe 2 years tho so

I don't trust ncsoft, nexon and the likes to come up with anything good tbh

[snow wadi]

Ok lets be fair, Nexon handled MapleStory 2 pretty well.

And now I'm about to get yeeted from the hospital, going home.

[faint skiff]

Do people usually add someone they've never spoken to before?

[violet slate]

I’m only new

[pseudo basalt]

Only speaking from experience but still

[snow wadi]

Get to know the folks more, sweetheart.

Have a chat with them and hang out, that will get you on your way to making friends. ❤

[slow halo]

Looks like I missed the last bit

[grand zealot]

@faint skiff Alot that are optimized and not TDA.

Alot of people ask me that when I publicly diss TDA. Pretty interesting

[snow wadi]

The creator of TDA himself isn't really happy about people using his base in VRChat.

[grand zealot]

Yeah I can't blame him

[snow wadi]

It's bad enough he gets driven mad by the community in DA.

[grand zealot]

Look at how people massacred it

[snow wadi]

This is why I started using from scratch models.

Besides, pretty hard to get a giant breasted bird without it being made from scratch xD

[grand zealot]

Grab breast bone, scale to 100. Ez.

[snow wadi]

And the head?

10 seconds.

Exactly, next case.

[vast tulip]

If you want good models, from scratch, that often give full rights to the avatars, even for professional use, check out "booth"

[grand zealot]

I'm kidding lol

[snow wadi]

@vast tulip Have I shown you the one I bought from this recent Vket?

[vast tulip]

There are probably hundreds of unique bases there to buy

[slow halo]

TDA?

[snow wadi]

Nope.

Sec, check #general-media

[grand zealot]

I use my own unique and private models. Mostly from japs.

[slow halo]

I meant "what's TDA?"

[vast tulip]

Nope! And no, not tda. I'm fairly sure tda is not on booth. That whole vket thing the last week was about booth sellers. You really should check it out

[pseudo basalt]

Well whatever base you use you can still optimize yourself

[desert stratus]

TDA is an mmd model maker @ @slow halo

[slow halo]

Gotcha

[snow wadi]

@vast tulip It's in random, the pic o.o/

[desert stratus]

ykno how all of the mmd avatars have the same dolly anime face?

[grand zealot]

Yeah, but people are too lazy and don't care about people's performance. @pseudo basalt

[desert stratus]

thats his base

[faint skiff]

@grand zealot It's more that there are 3 primary avatar types in VRC. TDA, furry and meme. So I was just curious what you used if it wasn't TDA.

[pseudo basalt]

I still have some decent tda avatars, but it's usually mostly only the head

[grand zealot]

I could show you if you're that curious tomorrow

[pseudo basalt]

Really sick of the tda face tho

[grand zealot]

I'm in bed

[desert stratus]

thr current avatar i kitbashed is most likely the last TDA ill use as i get better at 3d modeling

[faint skiff]

All my avatars are Medium rated at worst and that's only because of dynamic bones. They'd be Good or Excellent rated otherwise.

[snow wadi]

Dyna bones will always kick the rating in the jewels.

[grand zealot]

Can't have good shit without being V E R Y P O O R

[pseudo basalt]

You can reduce the amount of unnecessary bones in general and atlas everything to get to good, usually

[snow wadi]

Shame my bird is too big for any further reductions, she'll look like a playstation model if we pushed anymore.

[pseudo basalt]

Unless you want color changing tattoo gas mask tda wolfboys with katanas

[grand zealot]

Yikes

[faint skiff]

Well, not really. 32 dynamic bones really isn't that much when you account for wings, hair, tail, etc.

[snow wadi]

@pseudo basalt DON'T >_>

[pseudo basalt]

It hurt to write that

[vast tulip]

I think the number one reason I see any mmd avatar, like tda, at very poor is because of the Material count. Mmd often has like, 40 materials and only 12 unique textures because it's using the same material/ texture over and over. This is also one of the easiest things to fix even without doing any atlasing

[pseudo basalt]

trust me

Well dynamic bones don't seem like that big of an issue anymore because they just get disabled separately

[snow wadi]

Remind me not to sit in the back of a bmw x6 next time.

I hit my head 4 times now.

[pseudo basalt]

Apart from the rank

[regal furnace]

use cloth

it has better performance and looks better

but you need to change stuff on the model first

i use cloth whereever i can

[grand zealot]

Cloth smelly

[desert stratus]

ive thought about using cloth here and there but its so fucking arcane that i can barely find any examples of it, let alone a tutorial

[vast tulip]

I have never been able to get cloth to work. I have no idea why but I always get a gross, exploding, crumpled up mess every time

[faint skiff]

It's a shame bringing my meshes down to 1 (or 0, apparently..), materials down to 4 or so and everything else optimised, but then getting a bad rating due to dynamic bones. But there's no way I could use avatars without them because I hate how static they look, the lack of flow and movement, etc.

[grand zealot]

Unity 2017 made cloth difficult to work with.

[desert stratus]

but dyn bones are so shit for most things (mainly hair and skirts) that i really want to use cloth and see if it works better

[grand zealot]

Mostly painting it and shit

[desert stratus]

does anyone have good examples of cloth in action within vrc as well as a tutorial? ill probably end up finding oen myself later but no shame in asking >~>

[grand zealot]

Look it up on YouTube, there's a
popular tut that'll show up

I'm in bed, cant send

[snow wadi]

Send bed.

[desert stratus]

im ready. later today, of course

[vast tulip]

@faint skiff if you look around, there are tricks for most things to only use 1-4 dynamic bones for the whole area. Like the 2-4 DB, no colliders skirt, which lools better then using the default skirt chains

[grand zealot]

My bed

[snow wadi]

Yes.

[desert stratus]

send bed too. New mattress, preferably

[snow wadi]

Give it to me now.

[grand zealot]

[snow wadi]

[desert stratus]

2-4 dynb skirt? pls.

that sounds too good t actually be a thing ssomeone has done

[vast tulip]

This is why I allow 16 DB and no colliders with my limiter. Because I want to allow people doing these tricks through

[desert stratus]

and i rlly want it now

[vast tulip]

I'll try to find the video on it

The video I used it old so there are probably better guides now on how to set it up

But, I'll find the one I know

[pseudo basalt]

Bananers has a video on it

[regal furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555941806324580383/577386863430598668/2019-05-13_03-45-37.mp4

[desert stratus]

thenk.

[regal furnace]

video by Scena

[pseudo basalt]

And someone has a tutorial on that but i don't remember

right

[vast tulip]

https://youtu.be/8u1NBstIcy8

There you go

[desert stratus]

yess...thank

[snow wadi]

Activate Windows

@regal furnace

[regal furnace]

the video is not by me

[snow wadi]

[regal furnace]

i am in class rn

on my phone

on android

[snow wadi]

Activate Class

[regal furnace]

its break

[snow wadi]

God dammit man, work with me! ;_;

[regal furnace]

🙃

[snow wadi]

[faint skiff]

@vast tulip But I'm not using skirts, these are body parts like tails and such which look terrible if they can't be properly multi-jointed...

[vast tulip]

Try to adapt this same idea for those in different ways. Be creative! Imagine how you could do it for any part

Colliders have the issue where db slip around them, because there are spheres. This skirt trick uses no colliders and will never invert because of that. If you come up with an interesting way to weight anything, make sure to share it so others can copy it!

[tough salmon]

tails could be multi jointed

[slow halo]

I tried setting up the minimal dynamic bone skirt but I suck at weight painting

[faint skiff]

I mean, I could, but it would be so painfully limiting. It's like saying "You can paint nice pictures only using 3 colours" which while true, means you have to disregard everything you could ever do by using the whole spectrum available to you.

That said, I'm almost certain there's zero chance of doing something clever or nice when it comes to dynamic parts attached to static body bits.

[tough salmon]

but though you leave can change your view

[faint skiff]

Tails are obviously multi-jointed...

[vast tulip]

I think that skirt looks better then any default mmd skirt chain

But yeah, i haven't tried to do a tail so I have nothing to add on it

But it would be interesting to see what might be able to be done

[snow wadi]

Me big birb can't use the system since she's all...well boobs really. Xd

[tough salmon]

what is this boob you speak of

[faint skiff]

There's also the inherent disconnect; If people are on desktop then they often don't care, but nuances are much more easy to pick up in VR and "static" or faked parts tend to kill immersion.

Not the best example (as movement in Unity doesn't work great as it's so stiff) but yeah, not sure how you'd fake this... https://i.gyazo.com/61c0e138e9595aa27de3ce403de04a0e.mp4

[slow halo]

Enverex: a sentient tail controlling an appendage that resembles a bipedal dragon

[inner cape]

just get good with d-bones, dont blame unity hyperBruh

[snow wadi]

Oh look! Our bundle of joy is here.

[faint skiff]

Plus being able to swing my tail around in FBT is very important to me so... heh.

[hollow breach]

O_o

Degenerate I see

But that’s 99% of vrc

[faint skiff]

Tail was not innuendo for penis, in this case.

Also the "people that walk up to me and reel off reasons why my avatar is crap" continued its trend of only being off-the-shelf eboy wolfboy avatar users.

[hollow breach]

I do that :3

But I use my own avatars hahahaha

[pseudo basalt]

You don't get it

It sucks because it's not an off-the-shelf eboy wolfboy avatar

[hollow breach]

Not?

[wind crescent]

vrc dead for anyone else?

[hollow breach]

It’s 8am

Not a lot of the EST people are on

[wind crescent]

dead

as in failing to load

as in DDoS'd

[molten gale]

Enters murder 2
sees the cuddles guy with gun in name
dude walks right up to me
i just leave asap because scared

How is he still not banned?

Next instance someone uses that broken kerbal avatar to noclip and get the gun

Seriously why

[mental shuttle]

why the hell did they make my head move when I strafe? T_T it's horrible

[molten gale]

That sounds like an avatar issue

[mental shuttle]

It's not just me though. But I don't know if it's everyone or not. @molten gale do you have FBT?

I posted a video about it in the video channel

[faint skiff]

Also why not just block him as soon as you see him?

Also it's because the mods are too busy banning people for random petty shit instead. Yes, I'm still sour.

[pseudo basalt]

He's not banned because it's tupper's alt account

[tough salmon]

Tupper

[cold talon]

Tupper using alt account for erping, that's not possibel

Unless... 😳

[faint skiff]

I just got out of a business meeting about hardware and networking infrastructure. I shit you not, they would not stop talking about ERP solutions and it was really hard to keep a straight face.

[slow halo]

I saw a person wearing a furry avatar with a MASSIVE erection just standing around in the Pug

[winged crow]

lule

[slow halo]

Wasn't sure what to do and it wasn't my scene so I just skipped to a different instance

[umbral reef]

Should have reported them and gotten the enjoyment of knowing the guy would be clapped

[faint skiff]

Shh. Dude, I told you not to tell anyone!

[slow halo]

Kek

I'm a new user still so I can't report people yet

[faint skiff]

I thought New User could? Or is it worlds you can report?

[slow halo]

Maybe worlds? Definitely not people though. Three or four of us were reporting the two assholes who were actually bullying a furry in the pug about a week ago. They said the report button was below a certain option in the menu but I didn't have it

[faint skiff]

I know New User gives you one report option and User gives you another report option but I couldn't remember which way around it was.

[slow halo]

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/new-wearable-skin-gives-you-the-illusion-of-vr-touch

Who's ready for some real-ass headpats

[faint skiff]

But when do I get to control my tail?

[slow halo]

I mean, the porn industry is going to jump all over this shit in a hurry. I'm sure they'll come up with some sort of clever way to control a tail

Better start doing kegels Enverex

[faint skiff]

Haha. No, I'm not going the butt-plug route!

[slow halo]

Lol

[umbral reef]

The skin needs to be able to get washed and cleaned without a problem though

No one wants a sweaty skin that cant be washed...

[clever wedge]

Bahka?

[spare lichen]

Most anime has pale skin.
Change my mind
Hears chaos in the distance

[silent whale]

🤔

[faint skiff]

Well yeah, most Anime is for the Japanese market where everyone is very white.

That said, most MMD models are painfully white, I always darken the skin quite considerably.

[covert blade]

Kinda wish there would be more colored avatars

[faint skiff]

e.g. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337679085599850499/626853749045854218/unknown.png (excuse the expression)

Still white, but not "literally A4 paper" white.

[compact river]

Dis is tan

[faint skiff]

Matches my own skin-tone and I'm the whitest of white.

Although I guess I have a slight tan

[compact river]

You have not seen a true pale person yet have you

[faint skiff]

I live next to the Welsh border, I definitely have.

It's just "white" doesn't mean FFFFFF.

[compact river]

Some people get close

You are prob not even close

[faint skiff]

If I don't go outside for 2 weeks I get close, haha.

[compact river]

Tho that involves never going outside and a certain genetic makeup

I goto a lot of peoples homes and I've seen some people who have not seen the sun in who knows how long

[pseudo basalt]

They're usually not pale enough

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/437284541464576000/574211780641816608/20190318222240_1.png

Also rip running 2 instances and using an xbox controller to move the other one while in vr with about 2 seconds of input lag

[compact river]

That sounds cancer

[pseudo basalt]

It was pretty funny because nobody expected it

[faint skiff]

But yeah, colour. It also stops models features all blending into each other too, e.g. the face/chin into the chest.

[pseudo basalt]

I've done that to a few of my first avatars intentionally. It's a pretty cool effect unless you're trying to look realistic which is pretty boring imo

[tender spear]

Has anyone seen the portal to the creepy hub map in fidget balls?

Me and a bunch of others completed it the other day

It's like some ARG thing, I made a Reddit post too, it's super weird.

[brisk bone]

I've always been for weirder cryptic worlds.

[proper drift]

If you block someone they can still see you right?

[ivory folio]

No

[faint skiff]

If they have a modded client then yes, but under normal circumstances, no.

[languid beacon]

You both stop existing for each other, the only way to tell someone is there is via the world list.

[vestal pier]

Or others screaming CAN YOU SEE THIS GUY STANDING HERE?

[languid beacon]

Or “can you two please stop talking over each other” when you are the only one talking

[faint skiff]

Or suddenly seeing everyone complain about someone stood there making weird noises or screaming things, but you're stood there calmly because you already blocked them 5 minutes ago.

[candid acorn]

I don't believe in blocking people. As silly as it sounds to say this- in real life you can't block people. So just blocking someone you don't like just isn't very conducive to proper social behavior.
Hiding avatars and muting, maybe, if they are really being obnoxious, since real life also doesn't have screenshake and cancer shaders. But as a general rule of thumb I generally never block anyone.

There's better ways to deal with that

[cold talon]

seeing everyone die form screenshake and loud audio while you chilling because the avatars failed to load

[vestal pier]

Can you just say that you dont block people, rather than you dont believe in it. You cant not believe it in - it exists 😆

[proper sail]

could you imagine the chaos if you could put world portals on avatars

[cold talon]

wait. you cant?

[vestal pier]

I mean portals are movable, so probably

[faint skiff]

@candid acorn Yes, but in real life, people don't run up to me in a Master Chief avatar screaming "ni**er fa**ot" at the top of their lungs for a minute solid.

[candid acorn]

Just mute/hide avatar.

Just as effective

[proper sail]

and what if you could also put avatar pads on avatars to

[faint skiff]

Right, but blocking them lowers their status. Enough blocks and they get auto-muted so that other people don't have to suffer with their trollish behaviour.

That's the point of the reputation system.

Also it's not just as effective, because they'll often just stand directly infront of you. Hiding their avatar doesn't get rid of the big grey robot blocking my vision.

[cold talon]

sounds like china's social credit status propaganda but ok

[faint skiff]

I mean, in real life I'd probably call the police, but as moderation is non-existent, we have blocks instead.

[candid acorn]

I just think it's a shame that in maps like the hookshot map you can't hookshot people into portals.
I remember with some friends we started playing by dropping Uganda portals and trying to hookshot people into them. You can't, but you can get them close enough that a wrong move and they run into it

[proper sail]

does anybody know how to fix a bug i have in vrchat

[umbral reef]

Bruh, muting and hiding an avatar is legit a half assed block

[candid acorn]

Well that's the thing. Blocking just erases someone from your existence. And I'm just not about that. I don't hide from things I don't like. It's anti-social and just imo, not socially healthy.
But then I don't go to public worlds all the time so I figure I can't really talk either

[slow halo]

Go to the cat. It's better for sure

The pug wishes it was the cat

[umbral reef]

Also its a social video game not irl
If people are cunts irl they would be asked to leave without a group vote and you wont get ddosed or crashed for calling people out 😂

[cold talon]

and you can find ghosto the streamer there

ddosed irl, the guy comes with a bunch of people and they all start asking you questions really fast

[pseudo basalt]

do they start asking for

dare I say

the way

[vestal pier]

[cold talon]

ok time to ddos pumkin

[pseudo basalt]

[languid beacon]

The only times I’ve ever blocked have been to stop someone else from seeing or hearing me, never the other way around. I use it exclusively for those types. Spammy or annoying behavior is just mute/hide. Block is only for creepers.

[umbral reef]

Id rather block someone because why would i not

[languid beacon]

Nothing wrong with that. It’s just a last resort for me

It takes a special kind of someone for me to not want them to even know I exist

[umbral reef]

I do mute users though if they are toxic in VC but not with there avatar
If there avatar is aweful but they are really nice il disable there avatar and often just ask them to swap
But if the person is just a 'npc' for me its a neato blocko the second there avatar is annoying to look at

If they dont care or mind my eyes dying
I dont mind not knowing if they are there

[languid beacon]

Ah yeah. I’ve worn ugly af avatars in certain moods, so I don’t want to assume a one off thing is how they always are

[umbral reef]

ugly =/= blinking, world shaders and ect

[languid beacon]

Since I’ll probably never unblock

[umbral reef]

I dont block because its a wolf boy or things like that

[languid beacon]

Haha, the worst I do is garbage visemes, it’s my weakness. I am a simple man, but it makes me die of laughter

[umbral reef]

Meme avatars are fine
But there is a line and anyone thats not totally socially tard- knows where the line is

[slow halo]

The exploding visemes get me every single time

[silent whale]

seconded, idk why they're so funny to me

[slow halo]

Although definitely the most I've laughed in this game was the very first day, when a guy using a giant penguin avatar walked around quacking at people. The quack had so much reverb on it

The sheer absurdity just broke me

[silent whale]

oml

[umbral reef]

I also love the silly shit like shop keepers
that just spawn in, walk to a central place, set up there shop, interact with peeps in funny ways and just leave

They so rare now though, atleast the last one i seen has been ages ago

[silent whale]

now i wanna do that that sounds fun

[vocal shard]

Can one set up a rift s in a tiny playspace?

Or skip playspace setup with it?

[errant hare]

Yes

[vocal shard]

Like in the sleeper cab of a semi?

Yeah. You can use it just standing or sitting if you want

[broken plover]

if its too small then you can use it as standing or something like that

[vocal shard]

Still have 6d in standing?

Yeah

Nice

[errant hare]

or you can cheat while setting up your guardian

[vocal shard]

The settup is just to make your guardian barrier. If you skip that, it still tracks 6dof

Nice

My Oculus cable is giving out and I messed up my index cable

But I need my vr lol

May as well have a nice collection of headers

Headsets

[errant hare]

Wut, can't you replace Index cable?

[oblique igloo]

[vocal shard]

I'm a truck driver it'll take like a month

And my other trucker friend needs a headset I'll give him the old Oculus and his wife can replace the cable

Believe it or not there's a sizable contingent of vrchat truckers

[slow halo]

That makes sense

[vocal shard]

Because it fixes the worst part of the job the lonliness

[umbral reef]

That pretty cute to hear