its more how people see me
#vrchat-general-2
rigid crescent
rigid crescent
oh ok bot
vestal pier
It's the subtleties once that stuff wares off
Like seeing someone's hand move convincingly as they speak
It's kinda great
But I won't argue against your case, aside from your probably get used to it
Just as gallium has, although he had dev units so had way more time to get used to it
rigid crescent
yeah its definitely a corner case
heavy lance
is there any way to use a keyboard to talk?
vestal pier
Press v
heavy lance
lol
vestal pier
Ya welcome
compact river
I would like to map gestures to the joy stick some how
vestal pier
Steam bindings
compact river
Whats the short cut for that i found it by accident before
vestal pier
In vr ? In desktop ? In game ? On oculus ? On vive? On index?
compact river
Index for vrchat
vestal pier
The steam button
It's the small recessed button I believe
Then in the overlay click settings on the right
compact river
O i had this strange thing attach itself to my left hand before
rigid crescent
i think those are called gloves
vestal pier
Bug
solar bloom
what factors make a world go public? my first world has been in Labs for like a month lol
main furnace
join pug
coral basin
Hey so i was playing vrchat and one day it was running smooth the next its starts lagging baddd what could've caused this i tried connect the pc to the WiFi router and still nothing i uninstalled the game and nope it can't be the memory on my pc cuz i have 758gb free
vagrant juniper
specs my guy
idle vessel
vocal shard
Hello im new hows everyone?
queen mango
There's the #full-body-tracking channel. You can post the image you want to show there. @vocal shard
vocal shard
Ive just started @queen mango so far it seems fun wish i had vr tho i cant do all i wanna do i wanted to dance
queen mango
i wish the same for me, though for immersion reasons.
meager solstice
Yeah having VR is pretty great not gonna lie
placid zealot
Vrchat felt like a new game when I got vr, it's really nice.
grim canopy
fervent frigate
I saw a video of someone playing with another person's dynamic bones and I was wondering when VRChat will add that feature in.
velvet sable
hee hee
slate verge
why would you want to play someone else's dynamic bones
tawny ore
other peoples dynamic bone checks would add a bit of CPU overhead (or a lot, depending on peoples extravagance)... that was likely omitted from VRC due to the old version of Unity which was 1-core bound (something thats resolved nowadays)
brisk bone
It's too lewd
covert blade
why would you want to play someone else's dynamic bones
Because it's a nice detail.
brisk bone
Only if it gives haptic feedback, ultimate lewd.
covert blade
I disagree
umbral reef
Cries in even worse optimazation
brisk bone
This is where a bigger, better options menu would do the trick 😊
glad maple
fervent frigate
Affecting other's dynamic bones is a very nice feature that adds Immersion when you head pat someone for example. CPU overheads can be mitigated via a toggle system like for dynamic bones and avatars.
torn nebula
They mentioned on the stream that a permissions system would be needed to set who is allowed to interact with your avatar as well
brisk bone
I am assuming it could be down the pipeline once the 2018 + UI stuff pops out.
pastel galleon
it used to be possible to upload avatars that could interact that way already, I don't think it works anymore tho
covert blade
"Permission system" lol
tacit plank
Dynamic bones:
20 Fine
50 A lot
250 around the "very poor" limit
2500 please reconsider your choices
...That said, I'd love to be able to interact with others avatars
torn nebula
brb adding 2500 dynamic bones and 2500 colliders on my avatar
ruby needle
brb filing report
torn nebula
It's okay everything else is medium
tacit plank
It's usually like 200 affected bones and 10 colliders
Even if you want 9 tails and a bride outfit, you don't need nearly that many boes. CATS can merge them with ease and you will barely be able to see the difference
torn nebula
I've seen thousands of collision checks on occasion
tacit plank
Yeah, that's what I mean. It's terrible. I also saw 2 million polygons recently
It looks a bit smoother, but you can have the same level of detail with 50K polygons and a normal map. That way you also avoid 20MB of pure polygons
And hi
torn nebula
Clearly if you want ultimate smoothness you should use two tris with a raymarching shader /s
mystic steeple
Hi
Is there a way to download faster or maybe change servers? I feel like I'm somewhere in the Asian servers
cinder wasp
Good day to all, how are you doing?
vestal pier
No @mystic steeple
mystic steeple
Oh god 🤦 Thank you, BlueASIS
tacit plank
As far as I can tell, the world download rarely goes above 30MB per second
Then just as long as the world download to then undo the Unity compressions. Loading is boring
tacit plank
Oh, that sucks
umbral reef
Could try getting a new endpoint by rebooting your router (turn it off, wait a few minutes and turn it on)
tacit plank
Sometimes the download goes down to like 0.01MB/S, I don't know what causes it, but it seems to only happen rarely
cobalt cedar
Why do I hear avatars when I have avatar sounds off?
tacit plank
It is off in the right safety setting ranks?
A "show avatar" click may overwrite that setting entirely
cobalt cedar
Sounds are off for every rank.
tacit plank
Is their avatar on "Use safety settings"?
cobalt cedar
I do
vestal pier
Just turn everything on
wait for every avatar in the world to load
then turn them off again
cobalt cedar
Doesn't work. They must have some sort of bypass.
vestal pier
No, there is no bypass
Have you clicked on the person, and clicked "show avatar" perhaps?
vestal pier
Its not, no such bypass exists
humble cloud
So I like the climbing worlds, how come the climbing tools aren't more of a standard in worlds? Would be cool if more just, chill worlds added in the climbing ability.
covert blade
Dunno, are the climbing tools publicly available?
vestal pier
Yes.
Because its a relatively new feature, not every world needs climbing.
Its on here - https://tinyurl.com/vrcprefabs
covert blade
I don't think this was as much about the "need" to have it as more of a question why something as cool as that isn't more widespread
vestal pier
Honestly im tired of seeing "new feature" appear in every new map, you can go to maps and date them based on the trend at the time
like that raindrop window shader thats making its run
But i dont disagree more maps should have climbing, its fun.
its entirely down to world creators though
vocal shard
random question, i merged acc and now it wont load friends and avatars. on the website it says its already fully merged. any fix or cause?
humble cloud
Exactly, imagine being able to climb in worlds like The Black Cat or The Box lol
graceful pewter
also you don't see climbing retrofitted because to do good climbing you need to design the level around it so trying to retrofit it on top world mostly designs for aesthetic reasons would be very tricky
covert blade
@vocal shard Keep waiting
vocal shard
ok
iron thunder
Having climbing in every map would make things funnier. A whole nother plane to work with. Full body kicking people in the head from the ceiling.
vestal pier
I still think creators reserve the right to design the maps however they want
the climbing system could break alot of maps.
opaque hawk
oh yeah I need to update one of my maps to include climbing
iron thunder
If you could climb over my museum you'd see how lazy I was. Shit don't even walk around the side.
opaque hawk
climbable terrain details
vocal shard
Where can I get help for vrc random crash that also semi-restarts my PC?
slate verge
that sounds like a pc problem rather than a vrc problem
it could be that your pc specs did not meet vrc minimum requirements for specifications, though i do not know
tropic carbon
can i use playspacemover with a oculus rift s
tropic carbon
whats spoof
vestal pier
Fake, fabricate, not real
tropic carbon
is there a totorial
vestal pier
Probably
tropic carbon
okay
covert blade
Those are shaders and if you use those most people are going to block you or hide your avatar. Also, those are triggered by gestures
umbral reef
Ow the 'get blocked by all vr users' trick
covert blade
Just take any avatar you have, switch through all the gestures and see what you've got
torpid ridge
im new soo
torpid ridge
im not english x)
covert blade
That's something you have to work on
covert blade
Well you're right, and this Haya guy on the other channel be proof of that
Shift and F1 through F8
So Shift + F1, Shift + F2 ect. Each one triggers a different gestures
covert blade
Right shift for right hand, left shift for left hand. Certain things will only trigger if you have a combination of two gestures, like something specific on your right hand, then something specific on your left hand
vocal shard
Yo everyone send me some big hot anime pictures
vagrant juniper
WTF update my world once and went back into community labs AGAIN
wispy fjord
hi
rigid crescent
yeah its a bug
tacit plank
I just coded a mediocre virtual keyboard 😄
dusky wigeon
hola
wise perch
....because arabs play vrc too....?
visual flame
Wat, you're telling me that people from other countries also play video games
I woud've never guessed!
storm stag
tropic carbon
friking chamber in vrchat ?
rigid crescent
what
visual flame
Frick chamber owo
vocal shard
and there is no estonian channel
solar bloom
Anybody watch Rick and Morty? lol
still lark
I can't, I don't have over 200 IQ.
vocal shard
visual flame
People in other countries playing video games?
What is this, a fantasy world?
queen mango
That's the magic of Timezones
visual flame
We're all connected, through one giant tube
queen mango
snow wadi
visual flame
vocal shard
its been one day since i merged my acc and my old things load on the website but not in the game, do i need to wait even further?
meager solstice
probably?
if it doesnt work maybe contact vrc and see if it is a bug or something
vocal shard
at what point should i contact? also what does vrc stand for?
ruby needle
vrc -> vrchat
vocal shard
ok
tawny ore
Virulent reality checker
vocal shard
now everything besides my old avatars loads
vocal shard
yes
meager solstice
whats why, they dont transfer
meager solstice
np
vocal shard
wait i did it with my friend and his avatars got transfered from steam acc 🤔
meager solstice
easiest way to explain it would be, if the vrc account had no saved models on it than the ones from the steam account would transfer over
thats how it is suppose to be
so if ur vrc account had 1 model saved than the models on the steam wouldn't transfer
@vocal shard
vocal shard
ok im yet confused how he saved them though
meager solstice
his vrc must not have had any saved models than
drifting adder
Does anyone know what the VRC_Avatar Variations script is for?
near sky
Variations of avatars between Quest and PC versions of the game; if I’m correct.
still lark
No?
near sky
Correct me, then -I know I haven’t touched the component yet myself.
drifting adder
I'd love a feature for having quest and pc versions together
near sky
That’s implemented; at least in that you can have a variation for each platform on one avatar
still lark
Think of setting everyone's avatars to low/medium/high
drifting adder
@near sky is there somewhere I can read how that's set up?
still lark
This component is per platform
near sky
Specific documentation; I’m not certain, I haven’t had a chance to play around as of yet, but if you pop a question in #avatar-quest about how to set up an avatar version for quest under your PC avatar I’m certain they would point you in a better direction than I could until I play with that.
drifting adder
Alright, thanks.
bleak glacier
?
winged thistle
@rough pulsar do you happen to know where the mic on the Index is located?
vocal shard
They're two small holes on opposite sides on the bottom. One is beside the IPD slider, and one is beside the button on the bottom, on the opposite side
winged thistle
okay. thinking of taping some thin cloth over them to act as a pop filter
brisk bone
Why is it called a pop filter anyways.
winged thistle
cause it reduces the "popping" noise when you spell "hard" consonants
like p
reduces the amount of air that hits the mic when making those sounds
brisk bone
Ahh
dark frost
how long would someone have to play to be allowed to upload content? been playing for almost 80 hours now and i am still not allowed 🤷
and ive had it for months only jumping in every now and then till recently
ruby needle
Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be ** 20-40 hours**, but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam or oculus account because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/27-why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
rough pulsar
@winged thistle Surprised a pop filter is even needed since they're not centrally aligned like the Vive/pro mics were
covert blade
FPaul when are ya gonna pin that
Or better question, why does it seem like that this link isn't part of the FAQ when this is a frequently asked question?
solemn vine
@dark frost : do you login through steam as well? I found out yesterday that you need a vrchat account to to progress properly so I'll actually "upgrade" my account (think theres a button in there that says upgrade when you're from steam, can't remember now) as well so I get to keep the favorites and friends =).
covert blade
^ Steam and Oculus accounts cannot progress as a VRC Account is required if you want to upload something
The Upgrade Account button is in the bottom right side of the menu btw
slate verge
no one read pins though
winged thistle
@rough pulsar well, it's picking up the noise from the fan blowing over my shoulder so I figure a pop filter would help with that
covert blade
@slate verge Then why is it not part of the FAQ?
Everyone could just always tell people to read that. Or we call FPaul everytime. Doubt that he's online 24h though
slate verge
or you can be like paul and give a summarize answer 😄
covert blade
I don't always have a handy .txt to copypaste it from, especially not on mobile
Just seems like common sense to me that a frequently asked question would be answered in the FAQ
vocal shard
Since FPaul's pasta isn't an official word from the devs, it likely won't be pinned. Even though it is seen as very accurate, it's still technically speculation.
We would need something written or approved by one of the vrc team members
slate verge
just be active in-game and eventually you'll notice yourself leveled up easy
covert blade
Well only if ya have a VRC Account
slate verge
if you want to give them that details too sure
covert blade
Still, http://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/27-why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet this link in particular seems like it should be in the FAQ
unkempt zenith
In just 4 words, describe VRchat
cold talon
chaotic weird awkward experience
solar bloom
Fun exciting WTF moments
vestal pier
Chaos, creativity, social and different
snow wadi
Busty Bird Loves You ❤
solar bloom
John Wick Birb Kills
Really Fat Knuckles Avatars
Buff Pokemon Avatars Everywhere
Too Many Anime Girls
shiba birb is doge
where people sleep electronically
Oversized Avatars are ANNOYING
vestal pier
oversized avatars are fun-to-play-as-because-im-short-irl
We are still unsure if that last one is a word btw, but take my word for it.
solar bloom
(I'm 6'2" IRL)
covert blade
What? I can't hear you over the sound of my colossal titan avatar loading in
solar bloom
I block every huge avatar I see lol
cold talon
covert blade
I generally don't block anything unless it's actually disruptive. A large avatar existing somewhere isn't
vestal pier
you cant click my collision box if im as big as the map
cold talon
guess you wont see my avatar than
covert blade
Screenshot of that avatar plox
Then again most people have small instead of large avatars
vestal pier
My avatar isnt actually big and i dont use big avatars, im just generally taller than most anime characters 😅
solar bloom
well I mean, most huge avatars are disruptive, most of the time the huge ass feet get between me and the people I'm talking to and it's annoying lol or like those huge ass busses or tanks
covert blade
Can be equally annoying if they have a tiny ass hitbox
Depends. I've seen "medium sized" big that was only half the size of the AoT ones
For as long as they don't dare to go prone, it's fine
solar bloom
thats what every huge avatar I've seen does
go prone and then spin around like idiots
covert blade
gg
solar bloom
that's why I block them
covert blade
Guess I've found better worlds than you then
cold talon
https://imgur.com/Nf8yDon
is this big too big?
covert blade
Yeaaah I think that's pretty big
solar bloom
not too big for my master sword >:3
covert blade
Also, damn you have a Guardian as avatar?
Does it like, shoot lasers?
Does it make the same cursed beeping noise?
cold talon
yeah, well had that avatar, before vrc broke final ik
solar bloom
its ok I have a Hylian shield
cold talon
covert blade
But have ya seen the worlds smallest avatar yet?
Like, so small that you have no hope of ever clicking on that person
solar bloom
whyyyyyyyy
cold talon
i don't really understand why some peps made avatars like that, the resolution on the headset is too low to see them under normal circumstances 
covert blade
Probably desktop users
vestal pier
moving at the speed of light
cold talon
ah the speed is what makes big avas annoying too, they move so slow, but the legs still move at the normal walk speed, so they flail all over the place
solar bloom
I just block huge avas before they get the chance to annoy or piss me off
vocal shard
Awesome
hard patio
-3 iq
vocal shard
Excited to see the progress from that roadmap
cold talon
https://imgur.com/J7o4Qql
i don't trust it
vocal shard
Only users 
cold talon
rip all the known, trusted, veterans and legends
rigid crescent
Maybe they won't know if we toggle off Trusted/Known
we can appear as users and fool the system!
vestal pier
genius
fluid bloom
What's everyone talking about?
inner cape
the twitter post I linked above
fluid bloom
Oh the stream
That was last week :/
But yea im hyped for bio
And the other stuffs related for that
inner cape
November +/-
rigid crescent
haha devs fix your game im hiding my Trusted status as User and reaping all the benefits and tax breaks meant for the lower class 
fluid bloom
cold talon
starting to believe that Mic is actually yoshi in disguise
stoic halo
is there like a notable social stigma on trusted users? I noticed my friends hide their rank in public lobbies, and i dont but dont notice anything of it
fluid bloom
Btw
Why do you and 4 other people just... Live in the vrchat discord text channels @cold talon ?
dark frost
@solemn vine yeah I play through steam
cold talon
ah room of rain has some awesome water material on the floor
vestal pier
Graphically detailed as in realistic?
cold talon
but you gotta get really close to the floor to really appreciate it
10/10 would lick again
op and there goes chat
fluid bloom
The gang of vec discord chat channels is (whatevertgefuck bot's name is), saint, ghosto, mic, asis, paul and i feel like im forgetting one
vestal pier
Check out Lhannan, or Luftpruts worlds
solemn vine
@dark frost : the timing, just starting up vrc to go upgrade, wish me luck ;).
inner cape
I'm in the gang 
fluid bloom
Is that a good thing though?
inner cape
not sure
fluid bloom
Right...
cold talon
how do you see a 5 
fluid bloom
⚔
fluid bloom
U ok?
inner cape
unless it looks any different on mobile 👁
inner cape
H
fluid bloom
Shh
cold talon
here enhanced it by a couple hundred times
https://imgur.com/6koobGQ
fluid bloom
Its clearly b
cold talon
unless 😳
fluid bloom
Hmm?
inner cape
it's a 5 without the top part
fluid bloom
Well why would you write a 5 like that
cold talon
nah its clearly an s
fluid bloom
I can say its a painting of mona lisa without the mona lisa too
inner cape
baka is a scuff lord, I would question why he wouldn't write a 5 that way
cold talon
well a painting of monalisa witout mona lisa still ahs the background
inner cape
mona lisa is a jojo reference
cold talon
cold talon
fluid bloom
That isnt the background though
cold talon
oh no you dont
fluid bloom
I think...
I dunno
inner cape
you're leaving with me, baka?
fluid bloom
Nvm
cold talon
even better, I'm taking you with me
fluid bloom
quietly stays as the 2 of you leave
"..."
cold talon
too late already walking into the sun
solemn vine
@dark frost : upgrading took no time, said I have to wait up to an hour before all is transferred correctly but yeah, I'm hopeful :p
fluid bloom
Lmao
dark frost
@solemn vine same, i can now upload avatars and custom worlds so making progress
solemn vine
sweet, they should make that stuff more clear (or I'm just a doofus 😉 ), I've not played that much but ~30h as visitor while friends of mine have ~30 min and are users is not ok :p Anyway: glad it worked out, looking forward to see your worlds 😉
fluid bloom
has 80hours and is new user :/
solemn vine
atleast it's user and not visitor 😉
solemn vine
I feel your pain ;). I'll play for both of us @fluid bloom if that helps ;).
solemn vine
heading off now, many hours to go if I'm filling two sets of shoes ;). have a great vacay 🙂
fluid bloom
Ty ❤️
vocal shard
holas
inner cape
spanglish
vocal shard
How much does it cost to have someone make an avatar for you jw
ruby needle
there is no simple answere to that
depends on artist, expected quality, detail of character, extras
everyone is individual aswell
inner cape
anywhere between a couple of bucks to a couple of hundred bucks
ruby needle
*couple thousands of bucks
inner cape
that's if you're tupper
ruby needle
no
rigid crescent
You can check out the VRC Traders discord, probably the best place to get one unless you know trustworthy people that are also good at making avatars
ruby needle
if you'd ask a more established artists that usually does models for 3d games and sells you all rights and privileges with it you'll easily spend 4 digits
ruby needle
btw, any cent you pay someone putting together MMD's is to high payment. 
covert blade
You make that sound really expensive but then again people probably already spend 4 digits of money for VR and their VR capable machine
inner cape
its lidl but it's cheaper than custom 🤷
exotic sandal
anyone got ideas of vrchat names? i got no idea what to set mine as
topaz galleon
Ugh
rigid crescent
put me in my grave now
exotic sandal
?
topaz galleon
I joined the pug twice now and im stuck in a dark room, where do i go
rigid crescent
restart the game i guess? probably a bug
meager solstice
Yeah everyone has some type of name usually they already go by
topaz galleon
like i said, ive done it twice
exotic sandal
i needa figure out a name or i cant play vrchat ;-;
rigid crescent
just use what you normally use
inner cape
mic wtf is a net handle? cirSlain
meager solstice
? A name someone uses on the internet
exotic sandal
nvm i searched on the internet and found a nice name
meager solstice
exotic sandal
i chose 𝕀❤️ℕ𝕚𝕔𝕜𝕗𝕚𝕟𝕕𝕖𝕣
meager solstice
wtf?
inner cape
bruh
ruby needle
did you just link to a redirection link
vestal pier
just pick a name
meager solstice
Some how.....yes
inner cape
that name literally says you love their site
vestal pier
also good luck typing that in when you log in
inner cape
you can copy paste
meager solstice
Yeah... don’t use weird fonts in ur name, I’ve had bad experiences:(
inner cape
meager solstice
Vrc doesn’t exist
inner cape
I would've sworn I did use copy paste in vrc
topaz galleon
okay okay okay, now it keeps reloading the world
chrome badger
Anyone with WMR Headset, find a solution of how to bind the emotes to click instead of touching ? No matter what bindings i try now, they are all broken since last updates it seems :/
ruby needle
If that actually happend they should have reported the prove (streaming)
send a mail to moderation with a copy of that part
vestal pier
@chrome badger Steam vr bindings, set to click instead of touch
chrome badger
@vestal pier I try setting it to click but it dsnt work :/
vestal pier
Try harder
chrome badger
but it wont let me select the left trackpad/thumbstick value on the clic option ;D
and the other ones dsnt do the hand gestures
sly musk
so i have a question. can a i7-3770 run full body in vrc?
ruby needle
you'll be bale to run a basic vr setup with a bit of limitations but im not sure how much fbt makes up as in extra load
plus, youd propably want a more fluid experience for it anyway
vestal pier
FBT wouldnt impact cpu in any significant way
sly musk
thanks for the info. i just need to get a few more pc upgrades before i get full body
i just need to get an ssd and more ram
vocal shard
I didnt get to hear what their stream name was or platform but they were saying over their mic to report me to their chat and I'm a user instead of known user
pastel dirge
ruby needle
Not only is that meme ages old, its also not funny and this is not the right place for it either
cold talon
Destruction 100 
meager kettle
Massacred dude
languid beacon
VRChat: Making people discover they have crippling social anxiety since 2015.
delicate perch
Second Life: Bringing out your darkside in the snap of a finger.
slate verge
@languid beacon thanks for that i actually do have it and trying my best everyday to overcome it
languid beacon
You aren't alone, there's at least four or five posts to /r/VRChat saying they have the social anxiety, posted every single day. :p
We just need to get you all in a room together, and no one else
still lark
I don't think that'll help
languid beacon
Eh, not directly
Personally, for me my main hangup was feeling that I was missing something everyone else was, like, socially inept, and that everyone would see it. Once I realized pretty much everyone else is in the same boat too, I stopped being so nervous.
Different ideas work for different people. But in the end it's all in your head - whatever psychs you out of it, works, no matter what the reason.
indigo fern
vestal pier
Ya open yur mouth dumbo
rigid crescent
just talk 4hed
rancid lagoon
hey does anyone know how to make objects global instead of local in a world in unity (trying to make a world on vrchat but objects are in different places for everybody)
rancid vessel
So.. What's with the phone number written on one of the bathroom stalls in the great pug?
obsidian pagoda
yo, anyone got a launch command for running open beta version in current release instances?
Or did Devs completely "patch" that?
rigid crescent
why is patch in quotes
and yeah, it was "patched" because running beta client on live release doesn't help gather data
half sequoia
is it just me or does vrchat audio still break for people when you get a random vrchat loading screen like youre about to crash from the world
obsidian pagoda
used quotes because hackers can do whatever they want lmao
so patched as in they removed the line as opposed to forcing checks
lmaooo
merry flax
keeps darn crashing -.- anyway i could send my crash logs and get some help fixing it?
white bobcat
Is the "particle_system_limiter" still a thing I should do or is it now redundant if my safety settings are set to having particles and lights off already?
modern sand
If you want to see a few particles, you can still set your own values low
But if you don't want to see anything then it is redundant
ivory axle
I have an Oculus Rift CV1 at the moment but due to moving house i have to at some point change to either a Rift S or Vive. I'm not sure which one to get but I'm tempted to get a vive because I'm going to get fullbody at christmas. I would go straight for the vive fullbody setup but im struggling for money, should i be patient and buy the vive or do a hybrid fullbody setup?
I would also buy the deluxe audio strap for the vive which would cost more but i hate the original strap ^
visual flame
Is the CV1 bad, broken or anything of the like?
ivory axle
No but i cant have a three sensor setup as i usually do in the new house.
Itll be very awkward with the sensors
ivory axle
Yeah id have to pay for 2 vive sensors too if i stick with oculus, i really like the oculus controllers tho
modern sand
Get an Index then !
ivory axle
Ha i wish
modern sand
If you have to get a full bundle for the vive, might as well spend a bit more to be fully futur proof with the best headset possible
ivory axle
I previously said im struggling for money, for the next couple of months im having loads of expenses so
Im alright with the normal vive cuz im careful n etc
modern sand
How much would it cost you in total ?
ivory axle
What the vive or my expenses?
modern sand
the vive + full body
ivory axle
Hopefully if i find a second hand one itll cost around 300
modern sand
Vive + controllers + lighthouses for 300$ ?
ivory axle
But itll be unlikely that i find a cheap one
Yes yesterday i found people selling the bundle local for 300
So id sell my oculus and extra sensor for 300
So id just have to worry about the trackers
modern sand
Damn, i didn't know it got so cheap over the past year, that's cool
modern sand
trackers 1.0 would be cheaper too
visual flame
I'd get a vr headset and what not, but i need to get a new processor for my pc first
modern sand
Not sure, been a while since they were released
coarse rock
I'd recommend the 2018 trackers w/o a doubt
modern sand
3 2.0 for that price seems reasonable
ivory axle
Im probably gonna change to vive but i hate the controllers
visual flame
You'll get used to it
coarse rock
I went from the rift cv1 > index
ivory axle
Hm whats the difference between the 1.0 and the new ones?
modern sand
just cheaper
ivory axle
Oh
visual flame
Quick question, do you need a good processor to do vr?
visual flame
Or is it more graphics card driven?
ivory axle
My 960 got fried when i ised the oculus
visual flame
i got an i5 49 something
clever burrow
can anyone here go into vrchat? cuz my screen are keep loading, even for the vrchat website
coarse rock
VR loves more cores, although a good graphics card definitely does help.
ivory axle
^
visual flame
i got a quad core
modern sand
Loading in fine on my end PIPO
visual flame
but it is slightly old
clever burrow
I am just a lil bit shcoked about it
visual flame
Think i got an i5 4690K
clever burrow
cuz even the website keep loading
visual flame
got a 1070ti for graphics
coarse rock
Yeah a 1070ti should be fine.
wise perch
might be an internet problem, Pipo.
coarse rock
For me, I have a R7 1700x / 1080ti
clever burrow
but for other games is still fine like maple story 2
ivory axle
So, conclusion from my question. I should upgrade to the vive (second hand or not), and get the new version of the trackers if i can afford it?
I have a 1070 with a R5 2600x
coarse rock
You're on oculus rn?
ivory axle
Yep
modern sand
Sounds about right bentspoon
visual flame
legit worried if i get a vr headset, the thing just explodes
visual flame
Yeah, it's a bit bad the one i got
ivory axle
Ram n gpu are fine
coarse rock
From my personal experience, I wouldn't. Unless you're really banking on the Vive. I just don't like the controllers, and if you're comfortable with setting it all up, you can use the Vive trackers with oculus.
The oculus for me is way more natural, and I feel like the vive controllers are pretty clunky
ivory axle
Apparently the oculus controllers interfere with the fullbody tracking
coarse rock
Eh.
ivory axle
I can adapt ill just have to deal with it
coarse rock
I used rift/vive trackers for a couple months before getting the index
ivory axle
Im gonna use tripods for my vive sensors
modern sand
You could also save all your money and get an index bundle next year 
coarse rock
That's definitely something I could say, if you can afford it, buy it.
But if not, then don't
ivory axle
I cant afford it ;-;
modern sand
not yet, that's the point of saving money
ivory axle
Like if it does the job and does a little bit more then im happy with it
modern sand
i saved my money for two years to get my first headset
ivory axle
I dont care about getting the best of the best
visual flame
So, how expensive are a pair of controllers and a headset?
ivory axle
Oof i saved up for like 6 weeks
coarse rock
Depends on which HMD/controllers you're looking for
visual flame
honestly, just something entry level
ivory axle
Wmr hahah
visual flame
don't wanna spend 5k o something
ivory axle
Google cardboard pog
coarse rock
Or a vive, if that's what you'd want. I've seen vive kits go for like 300
ivory axle
Yeah
visual flame
oof
modern sand
save money, get better gear !
ivory axle
Also elementalif i stick with oculus i cant keep my rift cuz its an awkward play space for the sensors. And id at some point have to spend extra for the vive sensors then the trackers
vocal shard
...
ivory axle
Like my walls are slanted so guguhuhuh
coarse rock
I gotcha, I understand, I had a pretty janky setup for my trackers, and getting the tripods (what I have now) honestly helped a ton.
I've gotten lucky enough to have a full room for VR so It was pretty easy figuring out where I wanted to put stuff at
ivory axle
Like my new room will be perfect for the tripods because heyd be near plug sockets
Yeah exattly
I cant spell feelsbad
coarse rock
I'd throw a feelsbad pepe if I could lmao
ivory axle
Oh another question
My room is gonna be quite big what cables do i have to buy to extend the vive headset cable?
I heard its like a weird hub that connects to the pc which i dont really understand either
coarse rock
I think you're talking about the link box?
ivory axle
Yeah i think so
coarse rock
If I'm not mistaken as well, most active extensions for like usb/hdmi, etc should work with the vive too.
If that's something you're wanting
ivory axle
Yeah but like the cable that connects the vive to the link box what type of cable is it
Vive headset*
And would that be the only cable i have to extend?
visual flame
Once i get a job i might get vrchat
ivory axle
You can play vrchat with desktop mode
ivory axle
Oh haha fair enough
visual flame
sorry, am dumb
rigid crescent
The vive cable is 3 connected cables, so youd probably need an extender for t he entire thing
it's power, HDMI, and USB. they connect to a small box, that small box connects to your PC and a power outlet
visual flame
oof
vocal shard
Sounds fun getting tangled
ivory axle
What ports does the small box use to connect to the pc @rigid crescent
rigid crescent
USB and HDMI
rigid crescent
yup, they can connect to eachother for better syncing if you find its lacking, they come with a cable
i dont know anyone who uses it tho
ivory axle
Hmm
Alright and do they have to be directly opposite each other or can i have them just pointing towards my playspace?
rigid crescent
if you point them at your playspace you don't really have 360 degrees of tracking since your whole back is your blindspot
but if you plan to never turn around thats fine
ivory axle
Like itll be a weird angle
Hmm ill try anddraw the floor plan gimmie a sec
Where do i put pictures
I msged you it, the orange arrows are the directions they be pointing at
The red circles are the sensors
finite kraken
i just bought the index controllers with index headset... i hope it works with my htc vive base stations
and trackers
rigid crescent
You bought it not even knowing if it worked or not?
finite kraken
i can easily cancel the order
rigid crescent
Oh, was that some weird roundabout way of asking if it works?
finite kraken
yea.. i mean if the base stations didn;t work just means i have to buy them no biggy
but curious ahead of time
rigid crescent
They do, just weird to get them and not know
finite kraken
i knew i just was like 90% sure
my only fear with the index is the speakers headset... like would it be loud enough that people outside my room can hear the anime loli's i head pat
rigid crescent
wow, that's true fear actually
vocal shard
They just sound like guys anyway
finite kraken
what about moaning men?
vocal shard
Lol, jokes aside, yeah that was something I was curious about as well. How much noise escapes
finite kraken
i watching some compared videos and all the compared videoes are comparing with the vive pro and index... so getting the index would be a upgrade headset
vocal shard
What do you mean?
There's a bunch that compare with others too. The Rift S was compared to the index a lot
But index is still considered the best overall from most reviewers
finite kraken
well i own only a htc vive before they wen't pro
anything new is consider best to most viewers
vocal shard
Not necessarily. Some are really fair. I think you'll really enjoy the resolution and clarity bump. It's quite a lot going from the OG Vive to the Index
finite kraken
i am just worried about my htc base stations
i will be running full body with them so would that be fine even with the index?
vocal shard
The index is compatible with the original base stations
finite kraken
watching a video were they record the lens screens even though it looks bad it comes out much cleared in the index in some games
vocal shard
Vive is 2.5 mill subpixels per eye, while index is 6.9 mill subpixels per eye. So yeah, it's quite a bit clearer and sharper ^^
Cameras through the lenses never do it justice
finite kraken
yea my only issue is i bought the wireless headset adater and soon dislike it mostly because of the short battery life.. having any battery life is a pain..
finite kraken
now i am all hyped it's hard gonna sleep
vocal shard
solemn vine
Good afternoon 🙂
visual flame
morn
meager solstice
I think Jaime went to sleep
vocal shard
hey
covert blade
Greetings
vocal shard
is it normal that vr chat needs super long after starting to load worlds & stuff?
covert blade
Define "super long". How long exactly?
vocal shard
it also sometimes reloads worlds even though i've downloaded them before
a few minutes
covert blade
Yeah I dont think the cache is working that well
oof. Does it just take super long to load or is the download slow?
vocal shard
my internet is pretty good
urban needle
hi
vernal forge
anyone that use rift and vive together , do i have to do a clean install on steamvr if i get vive ?
slate verge
probably
vernal forge
ah alrighty
vestal sleet
Don't see why you would tbh
rough pulsar
I'd definitely clear out all SteamVR config and do a clean install of steamVR if you're switching to a pure vive setup from a hybrid one.
vestal pier
Not the correct ping for that, go to #world-development
They are moderators, not personal assistants
vocal shard
k bud
zealous holly
Who do I need to contact? To talk about community entertainment rep. Collaborations? I have connections with wave and don't want to step on any "toes"!
I mean...live concerts in vr. I know there are talented people in vrchat who could use a platform on certain nights. Js!
brisk bone
That's a inter community issue, it seems weird to ask the general chat of the platform for that. You should just network.
vestal pier
#community-servers-old VRChat Events discord
languid beacon
Events are very hard to get going in VRChat
snow wadi
It really depends on the event.
white lichen
what is a custom avatar?
heavy dawn
It is... an avatar... that is custom.
white lichen
ok ty
snow wadi
I thought that was a trick question o.o;
vestal pier
If you are wanting to host an event, yeah
Theres already a couple of music events but im not sure if its the same thing
zealous holly
I'll check it out! Thank you for helping 😍
vocal shard
friend has a yellow exclamation point next to their mic?
Its like a speech bubble with an exclamation point]
vestal pier
snow wadi
That's a notification from the VRChat system, if they bring up the menu they can see what the message is.
vocal shard
Oh wait
snow wadi
It could be permission to upload content, account issue or such.
I remember getting it only once and it was for content upload.
vestal pier
Perhaps
azure patio
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613765754692567060/613765767476936804/unknown.png someone know the name of the base model? 🤔
snow wadi
Try asking that in #avatars-2-general
vestal pier
or #avatars-mmd
azure patio
oh ok thanks
stoic halo
Does anyone have some link to the VRsona discord or the Persona asset collection?
queen prawn
Is the quest worth getting?
covert blade
Depends on whether you have a VR-Ready PC or not
umbral reef
And how much further you want to go with vr
vestal pier
And what games you want to play
covert blade
Pretty much
VRChat is playable on the Quest but you're limited to what avatars you can use and see and what worlds you can visit. If you already have a VR Ready PC, I'd suggest to just go for something that can run on your PC
covert blade
Oh?
So Quest users being able to see everything and go to all worlds? Or would that be too good to be true?
"Several people are typing..."
vestal pier
We dont know their solution currently, but theyre working on that yeah
queen prawn
Erm yea my pc is far from vr ready...
Should I wait for another stand-alone headset then?
ooh
inner cape
you can use quest from your pc, giving you a full vr experience (that's on a side note)
desert stratus
another standalone headset is like 3 years away lul. thats enough time to upgrade your PC and get pcvr if you want
queen prawn
I'll take that into consideration
covert blade
Well if his PC ain't VR ready streaming from PC to the quest is probably not a good idea
inner cape
ye, was more answering to the quest limits talk
inner cape
if you dont see yourself upgrading your PC any time soon quest is a fair buy
queen prawn
I see
covert blade
Isn't it like, not really worth just going for the quest cuz wireless assuming you have a PC that could run PCVR?
vestal pier
Erm yea my pc is far from vr ready...
covert blade
Yeah I know that
inner cape
vestal pier
So what was the point in the assumption? i dont get it
queen prawn
Well thanks a lot for all the advice you all have given me
Also +rep you guys are way more chill than the people that talked to me in-game
I shall head to bed
vestal pier
talking about the quest in game is a death sentence
queen prawn
Noted
vocal shard
yeah I just wanted the quest for now but in a year or two ill get money for the vive and full body tracking
and ill build a computwr
snow wadi
I think it would be better to build the PC first.
languid beacon
I tried quest using my Pc the latency was pretty bad made me dizzy
I only recommend a quest if you plan to use the actual quest version, pc streaming isn’t up to my standards anyway
snow wadi
The quest is great for people who just absolutely cannot do anything about their PC for upgrades.
languid beacon
And don’t get a quest if you like pcvr because quest will ruin your Pcvr headsets and make them look like a blurry mess
snow wadi
But if you could solve at a later date then the quest isn't a good solution as a temporary.
graceful mantle
For me at least, the quest seems to make me less motion sick than the vive.
ivory axle
my friend is spending £200 and is risking breaking 2 computers to make one VR ready... and he says hes gonna get a quest facepalm
graceful mantle
plus, not messing with wires and sensors is nice too
ivory axle
imo its the price u have to pay for good vr experiences @graceful mantle
graceful mantle
I would tend to agree if I didn't get so easily motion sick in my Vive 😦
ivory axle
fair enough health is prioritised
ruby burrow
The state of the market right now is much better than before, in terms of options and product range, but it's a headache how every option still feels like it's got at least one compromise.
I feel like we need some kind of display tech breakthrough.
So we can get the clarity and smoothness of LCD with the colour depth of OLED.
So we can get the clarity and smoothness of LCD with the colour depth of OLED.
I'd like to get a chance to try on a Quest or Vive-Pro, just for comparisons sake.
desert stratus
thats what were all waiting for
all panels for vr are shitty enough that what you said is no accident: the current question of "what is best headset" is more about preferences rather than superiority
fluid bloom
Omg
We need to be able to call or maybe even facetime in vrchat
PLEASE THAT WOULD BE AMAZING
topaz galleon
That is a good idea
Ugh, i cant wait for my account to be able to publish stuff! I wanna use the skin i made XD
opaque hawk
So discord?
topaz galleon
I think they mean like in the movie of Ready Player one, where people can video chat using their avatars instead of their real face, cause privacy
wise fable
yep
umbral reef
Using the internet and expecting more privacy
Something doesn't add up there
topaz galleon
Im just saying, some people would rather not show their faces or they just dont have a webcam
fluid bloom
^
graceful mantle
Sounds like a great idea for a shady dating app. No, trust me, I'm gorgeous
solemn shore
languid beacon
Quest is the best display I’ve ever worn. It beats everything I’ve personally tried. Shame about it’s 2.5 hour battery
High res OLED is the way forward for immersion
snow wadi
Shame about the restrictions in content as well. :<
languid beacon
I’m talking about optics not VRChat
sage osprey
languid beacon
Was responding to @ruby burrow
snow wadi
Also, the HP Reverb, while being a WMR, has a better display than Quest believe it or not.
But the issue is it's a WMR xD
sage osprey
languid beacon
I didn’t have any issue with quest tracking it was better than my rift setup
snow wadi
I currently use the Rift S, seems to be ok for me.
languid beacon
My only gripes were the insanely short battery life and lack of proper VRChat support those two things were the deal breakers
ruby needle
lack of propper vrchat support?
languid beacon
I would prefer to not get into it
ruby needle
It's very well supported within what the hardware can do.
languid beacon
Ok.
umbral reef
Community support and ease of transferring/uploading for it
ruby burrow
Regarding that previous little discussion about facetime stuff, I've already been in a discord call where a couple people were using webcams, but one was instead screen sharing their VR-Chat avatar instead.
It's not like it's a one click casual thing you can do without a headset on, but it's sort of possible.
languid beacon
My pipe dream headset is Valve Index with Quest screens. Give me 70 htz OLED over a 120 htz LCD any day
ruby needle
uhm
ruby burrow
Would the Vive Pro fit that I wonder? '-'
ruby needle
you did try the index screen as a comparrisson, right?
languid beacon
Pro is LCD is it not
rough pulsar
OLED
ruby burrow
Pro is OLED.
rough pulsar
The black levels between the Pro's OLED and Index's LCD is very little
ruby burrow
Better resolution, normal 90hz refresh.
Hmm. I'm reluctant to say but I've honestly been incredibly conflicted about my Index.
I feel like I have noticed the black levels more than I want to.
languid beacon
Now that I’ve used an index I’m going get one but the color quality is terrible compared to quest. But quest just has too many shortcomings for me
vocal shard
Hi!
ruby burrow
The clarity and refresh is without a doubt amazing, but I think I actually feel like the lower clarity on Vive was easier to ignore and less of an immersion break.
At least in games like VR-Chat where reading text or making out details at a distance isn't a priority.
languid beacon
It’s the haze from lack of contrast
rough pulsar
I've really disliked using any other HMD since using an Index because nothing has come close to the earspeakers
languid beacon
Have you used a quest gallium
rough pulsar
Not yet, I don't have any interest in it ever though.
languid beacon
Quest ruined me
Like the headset is bad
The screens are the best and ruin LCD headsets
ruby burrow
In a dark room using my Vive, I felt like I was in a dark room. On index, even despite the better FoV, I've been getting this feeling of tunnel vision due to being able to so clearly distinguish the edges or the lenses.
rough pulsar
Hm, I get less tunnel vision sensation in general with the Index because of the FOV
ruby burrow
There's also significantly more glare from bright objects, which compounds the issue. : |
Do you wear glasses Gallium?
rough pulsar
I would definitely say that VRChat is the worst place to test out the Index for visuals because there's so much variation in graphical quality in the user-made worlds
nope
ruby burrow
I think that's one of my problems. Whilst the Index obviously caters to glasses effortlessly due to the adjustable lens distance, it does also mean I'm getting far less of an FoV increase than most.
rough pulsar
You should look into getting prescription lens inserts, they fix several issues at once:
Don't need to have your glasses on in the HMD
No risk of glasses-HMD lens scratching
Increased FOV
ruby burrow
Yeah, I've been pondering that. Though I don't think any are actually on sale for the Index quite just yet.
Last I saw they're advertised, but not finalised.
rough pulsar
They are, can't remember which company is doing them but they are available
languid beacon
I would personally say VRChat is the main game and reason to to use/get a Index for. I find quest’s visuals better for anything that isn’t VRChat
ruby burrow
For me personally my Index has been amazing for other games and action oriented stuff, but less so for VR-Chat.
languid beacon
Though that’s mainly me favoring color depth over frame-rate since my index can barely stay above 90 anyway with my pc specs
rough pulsar
Time to upgrade
fringe halo
...
languid beacon
💵
rough pulsar
Because going back from 144hz is painful
languid beacon
I’m at 970 gtx so take my opinions on headsets based on that
ruby burrow
I have most definitely been enjoying the higher frame rates with my newly upgraded PC.
rough pulsar
Wow, really time for a GPU upgrade then
ruby burrow
Having 1 to 1 conversations with someone in a regular world, and getting 120 fps.
languid beacon
Index’s high hertz nodes are lost on me lol
rough pulsar
Sure Paul whatever you say 🙄
ruby burrow
Or 60fps in non croweded casual gatherings.
Soooo much better than the 20 I used to get. >_>
languid beacon
Yeah I need to buy a better gpu before an Index
ruby burrow
My other personal issue with the Index, is ironically with one of it's best/most popular features. The audio. ._.
ruby needle
you propably want to, yeah 
languid beacon
Ive always had an issue upgrading my pc. I always want to buy literally anything else
I always feel a sense of regret and waste spending money on a Pc upgrade because I can’t play anything new with all that money spent
ruby burrow
The audio quality is great, and the immersive open ear design works great too. But the major drawback for me has been the total lack of noise dampening for my surroundings.
languid beacon
I didn’t get to experience the sound at all it was just a quick VRChat pug
rough pulsar
Oh, oh. You're missing out on so much
It takes a bit for it to set in, but the spatialization of sound is just better on the index
languid beacon
And use of the quest was limited to a single afternoon
ruby burrow
I'm not missing out on it, I'm using it. But it's just been severely flawed for me.
rough pulsar
I was saying Adeon's missing out
languid beacon
Have you gone back to Vive / Rift after using an index?
Just to get a good comparison
rough pulsar
Yeah, I hate it.
ruby burrow
Ah.
rough pulsar
During the first few days of having my Index I had to use a shitty DP-MiniDP adapter that was so bad I had to use my Pro for a bit until I could get a better adapter, and even with the Index being a mess (visual snow, display dropouts, audio problems) it was overall so much better for me.
ruby burrow
But as a specific example, back during the hotter part of summer friends and I were hanging around beach maps a lot.
With my Vive (deluxe audio strap), I would be lying on the beach, hearing people talk and the sounds of the sea, enjoying a soft breeze blowing across me.
With my Index that had newly arrived, I was in the exact same world, hearing people talk and the sounds of the sea, along with the pigeons and house martins loudly hooting a squawking outside my window, the neighbours screaming kids and someone mowing their lawn. The immersive "soft breeze" was now easily audible as being my desk fan.
No matter how nice the audio is, any benefit to immersion gets shattered by things like that.
rough pulsar
Yeah, I get moments like that too.
At the same time, I do perfer the non-isolating nature of them because I need to know if I'm needed outside of VR and it's much easier now.
ruby burrow
The off ear audio design is a great idea, and can work fantastically, but I kinda wish I could have some easy snap on alternative for them as well.
rough pulsar
Well, they are removable
ruby burrow
In action games again, it's not bothered me half as much. If there's a lawn mower going on whilst playing Pavlov or whatever, I don't really care since I'm in it for the gameplay.
But in VR-Chat it's rather taken me out at times.
languid beacon
Oof this is exactly what I don’t want to hear, immersion is the #1 most important thing to me, color depth being what does the most for me, low fps doesn’t really have any effect on me I live with 45 fps just fine
ruby burrow
Heh, I know... I recall you talking about that... ^ ^:
Was reluctant to mention it.
Am reluctant in general. Since I was (still sort of am?) all aboard the Index train.
languid beacon
I have stations and body trackers ready to go. For the 750 kit I have full body lighthouse with Index and Knuckles
Just have cold feet feel like it might be worth waiting for gen 2
ruby burrow
I really want to compare it to a Vive Pro. >_>
languid beacon
Quest made me fall in love with OLED
Quest and vive pro are same resolution and both OLED. Never worn a pro but I’m sure it must be similar visually
ruby burrow
Pro is slightly better res. Though can't say how the panels used compare beyond that.
torn nebula
Vive pro has slightly better fov I think. Terrible for sleeping though
languid beacon
Oh no the physicality of the Pro is both ugly and uncomfortable I hear
ruby burrow
Oddysey+ is slightly lower res than a V-Pro, but is said to be clearer.
ruby needle
Index rules them all tho, doesnt it 
ruby burrow
Yeah, it's a bulky thing for sure. '-'
ruby needle
And despite beeing LCD based has a really good black value.
languid beacon
But if your goal is to just see a high resolution OLED headset grab a quest for Walmart and take it back saying it didn’t fit your head they wont blink
ruby burrow
Also I only recently discovered that the V-Pro headphones aren't actually the same as the D-audio strap ones.
rough pulsar
The Pro's builtin audio is awful
I almost never used them because on-ear headphones give me a headache really fast, but when I did they were horrid.
ruby burrow
I really like the audio strap headphones. I find them incredibly comfy and convenient. Soft material that doesn't seem to degrade or gather grime, that very effectively blocks outside noise.
rough pulsar
The mic quality wasn't too good either, but the noise cancelling on it is really good.
ruby burrow
Perhaps a tiny bit too effectively at times I guess, but the worst I ever have to deal with is my brothers sneaking in to troll me. It's not remotely a problem for my personal situation.
That's something I heard in a V-Pro review Gallium, and was shocked since at the time I thought they used the same headphones.
Then I looked at the video a bit closer and noticed the design is different.
languid beacon
Oh and for quest multiple people said the quest mic sounded horrible
These were people used to hearing me on Rift
ruby needle
it's quite allright actually
ruby burrow
I guess they had to cut costs somewhere on the Quest.
They squeezed quite a lot in for it's price.
languid beacon
Could also have been virtual desktop killing the mic
ruby burrow
I have had multiple people recognise when I started using my Index within the first minute or two of greeting them. xD
Purely because of the mic.
languid beacon
Do they think you sound better?
ruby burrow
I've not managed to notice anyone else sounding too different myself, though I can only think of one person using it that I knew before hand.
languid beacon
I want to spend more time with Index that isn’t in the pug
Oh one thing I did not like the finger tracking at all I preferred touch
ruby burrow
One person described it as more crisp and clear. The rest didn't specifically say better or worse.
languid beacon
But those are all VRChat’s choices not a hardware thing
ruby burrow
Though I have heard recorded comparisons and it does seem fair to say it's the objectively best mic right now.
languid beacon
Index controllers need a touch controller fallback mode to just mimicking those controllers and forgo the finger tracking
ruby burrow
Seems like a fair option I guess.
languid beacon
I just don’t like how they move at the moment, on rails too much
rough pulsar
@languid beacon Oh you tried the Index in the great pug? There's a number ov visual issues there that Owlboy's well aware of that are significantly worse on the Index. Did you try it in any other worlds?
Also it takes a little time to get the hand position right on the controllers, and after swapping from one person to another the easiest thing to do is restart the controllers to clear the previous calibration model and start over.
ruby burrow
Perhaps the future of VR controller design is some hybrid between the flawed "glove" idea everyone imagines, and the Index controller.
rough pulsar
And the power-on hand position does matter.
languid beacon
I tried the index for about 10 minutes. I saw VRChat home and an empty pug. It was not a good demo; I know
ruby burrow
Need more omni directional tracking accuracy, but with the buttons and tactile nature of something to hold onto.
rough pulsar
That's an awful demo, if someone gave me a demo like that I'd slap them.
languid beacon
Well I was pressed for time lol
ruby burrow
"power-on hand position"?
rough pulsar
How you have your hand on the controller when it powers up
ruby burrow
As in, holding the controllers before turning on?
rough pulsar
During turning on
ruby burrow
Oh... I normally turn my controllers on without holding them. ._.
rough pulsar
Way to do it is to get the controllers properly fit on your hands, then turn them on