vrchat-general-2

[desert stratus]

oh. yeah, that jaden guy

[inner cape]

[faint skiff]

"TheBossGamer288" such original names

[desert stratus]

sorry, i am an old man, my eyes can't keep up with this newfangled chat tech

[neon flume]

I've run into a few people in game from this and other vrc discords. It's almost always been fine

[winged thistle]

oh god being able to play even in a public open mic night with 50+ average fps is such a difference

new CPU hype \o/

[inner cape]

I've yet to meet people from here as well

[desert stratus]

oh no dont get me wrong im exaggerating, id like to meet peeps from this discord, i just know that im ognna be like "oh shit its THAT GUY" and mildly freak out / have a sudden rush of excitement before i open my mouth

like cmon. i read this chat every day, i talk iin here...almost every day. it's kind of unreal that we all share the same fucking community and most of us havent even seen each other in said community yet

[rigid crescent]

i dont wanna see any of yalls asses ingame ever, if you see me better act liek we're strangers

[neon flume]

Ohh I can definitely relate. The one time I interacted with someone from the vrc team I think I barely mumbled something incomprehensible in response to their joke and then left out of shame

[covert blade]

That would honestly not be difficult Mic, not for me at least :)

[desert stratus]

i get that

[covert blade]

Honestly I still feel like a total stranger here that chimes into random conversations and then leaves shortly afterwards

[neon flume]

Chime in enough and you'll be a jaded regular like the rest of us 🙃

[inner cape]

ya all are lil babies

[desert stratus]

or just be like me and occasionally thwop in every now and then to hijack a convo

[umbral reef]

@rigid crescent i know you would love to erp with me 😉

[inner cape]

♿ veteran coming through ♿

[umbral reef]

So dont say that bby

[desert stratus]

and yeah, arent you and oclac and a number of other people like, from eons ago?

[rigid crescent]

oof lol

[umbral reef]

F

[desert stratus]

rest in piss

[rigid crescent]

VRCBot trying to keep down the vets

[inner cape]

@rigid crescent too many caps.

[rigid crescent]

Thanks

[inner cape]

@desert stratus literal fossils we are

[desert stratus]

the kinds you find in a museum or the kinds that are used for research? >u>

[umbral reef]

ow mic i got the perfect public world for ya

It was all guest users who where using world shader avatars with racist stuff in it 👏

[inner cape]

@desert stratus whatever you think is better

[rigid crescent]

i love those

[desert stratus]

im gonna go with the big ass ones that float above a museum's main lobby

[inner cape]

nice

[desert stratus]

<@/

[inner cape]

I do like to float a lot indeed

[languid beacon]

I demand a vrpill, system, tupper emojis in-game

[vocal shard]

[slate verge]

[languid beacon]

I really want to know the image that’s cropped from

[faint skiff]

I can't remember who helped me the other day when I was freaking out over wasted time making an avatar, but I decided to do a postmortem to find out what went wrong so I didn't do it again (I had over 80 saves to go through to find out where it all went wrong). Anyway what had happened was that when I was weight painting some of the hair, I appear to have had the "paint through/all" option on so the cursor was painting through the visible tris onto other faces (e.g. the arms and inside the torso) which is what ruined everything. Unfortunately I didn't notice till long after.

[vocal shard]

Who like anime lol

[inner cape]

that's a pretty common mistake, rex

[faint skiff]

The obvious mark was "why is half the arm weight painted to the head in a weird pattern?"

[inner cape]

yep

usually easily fixed if not a lot of damage has been done

[faint skiff]

I tried to fix it for the best part of an hour on two occasions, couldn't do it. Just kept getting sharp mountains everywhere and couldn't figure out how to stop it. I'm not familiar enough with WP to sort it.

Rolled back to a much earlier save

[neon sand]

Alguém Br

[languid beacon]

There is also a button to limit paintable tris to only the tris you currently have selected in edit mode

[faint skiff]

Would have been a shame to throw away the work so far as I was becoming really attached - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/361742235525709825/603323248876453930/unknown.png

[fringe sentinel]

@neon sand Não sei falar português, mas tenho a certeza que alguém em #portuguese pode

[neon sand]

hhmm

tendi foi nada ksksk

[inner cape]

🗿

[snow wadi]

@vocal shard Saw your friend request in vrc btw, accepted it o/

Also henlo all ❤

[vocal shard]

Yay

[inner cape]

bo, bird

[gloomy brook]

Heyyy who's down to chill and not abandon me for some dumb rumour about me being rude ;0

sorry just sad

okay

[inner cape]

josuke looking boi

why are people calling you rood

[gloomy brook]

I don't know man

But whoever told him that I was rude, made me lose a best friend

[inner cape]

its that easy huh

[gloomy brook]

I think he was trying to get rid of me anyways..

[inner cape]

"yo that guy is rude"
unfriended, blocked, forgotten

[wise perch]

if someone is that easily swayed, they weren't a friend.

[gloomy brook]

But we were really close..

I need new friends @-@

[inner cape]

I bet theres more to it but that's personal

[rigid crescent]

Yup

[languid beacon]

People who mute easily would just have muted you for some other reason somewhere down the line. Don’t worry about it

[rigid crescent]

Always is

[gloomy brook]

Thanks guys

[inner cape]

@wise perch morning btw

[wise perch]

mornin, Purp.

[gloomy brook]

I hope you all have a nice evening

[inner cape]

likewise, stone josuke

[gloomy brook]

tyty

[faint skiff]

@snow wadi Evening

[snow wadi]

[inner cape]

someone calling me purple

yees

[wise perch]

[rigid crescent]

Purpghost

[inner cape]

that sounds cursed

[sterile drift]

Posto

Did that send twice idk

Have really weird issues like that rn

[inner cape]

I'm sick of your cheek, eeeeeeeeeveeeeeeeee

[sterile drift]

W O w

Booli

[inner cape]

😤

that sent once btw

[sterile drift]

Okey

[languid beacon]

electronic Eevee, also known as eEevee

[plush cove]

hi

[sterile drift]

@languid beacon neEev

[plush cove]

negev

[steep laurel]

Negever gonna give you up.

[slate verge]

strange i notice you can get lagged out over time

[inner cape]

memory leaks?

[slate verge]

possibly, i dunno. It could just be my internet though cuz i used to don't experience this.

[inner cape]

[final vale]

hey anyone has one of those wheelchair avatars that can do a "falling" animation and is ok to either let me clone it or bring me to the world where they found the avatar ? dm if ok

[neon flume]

I think people usually post either in #avatars-2-general , #avatars-mmd, or just #vrchat-pictures.

[umbral reef]

Bruh
Its legit prime time to make friends

I have not yet found a bad room
At worse one or two peeps within a 25 peeps room

[umbral reef]

So is the game dying for anyone else? Like all the network IK is literally dying and its god awefully annoying

[indigo fern]

yea if youre in a full room that happens

like lag spikes everyone in the lobby feels?

[umbral reef]

legit 7 people in the room

Wheeze
Network ik is amazing man

[ashen harbor]

so I have an emote that I'd like to last longer (currently last 4s). It's basically an animation I'd like to loop.

how do I do that?

(for reference its the best mates dance that I got to play "Take On Me")

well I gtg for now so if anyone can help me out just send the info in DM's and I'll try it out when I get back ty

[floral zodiac]

is there a way to fix the new ik system timing me out evry god dam time every time i try to play with friends ?

i cleared cache multiple time , restarted my internet box , am i really fucked just cause my upload is not good enought for the game ?

[faint skiff]

Well that sucks. Was about to jump into VRC but now I've been hit with a thunderstorm and the internet has dropped out :(

[gusty spoke]

oh really

u from uk?

uk has had one i was climbing the big mountain and my internet dropped out -.-

[quiet oasis]

@faint skiff Stay safe. i hope you're not afraid of lightning and water mixing together

[faint skiff]

Crazy lightning, strobing over and over.

@gusty spoke yeah uk

[gusty spoke]

@faint skiff oki

[faint skiff]

Hmm, internet isn't coming back, I wonder if the exchange was hit. I have sync then it drops to crazy figures, then if it holds on it still can't Auth :(

[umbral reef]

@inner cape idc how sober me will feel or thinks but i had a lovely night drinking and making new friends ingame

[vestal sleet]

sometimes i can't move with the touchpad until i restart (vive) anyone know fix lol

[quiet oasis]

@vestal sleet have you tried turning it on and off again?

[vestal sleet]

i did but i didn't wanna 😦

[neon flume]

Does your touchpad still click while you're unable to move?

[vocal shard]

i'm bored AF

[unreal shard]

Same

[little kite]

Hi bored AF I’m Michael

[vocal shard]

lol

[vocal shard]

Good morning

[slate verge]

hi

[tawny ore]

Morning

[covert blade]

Greetings

[vocal shard]

so im guessing the reason vrchat keeps on disconnecting after a while is because my specs are not the required i have a i5-8300H and a 1050ti and 12gb of 2667 ram

its a laptop so i cant change it

sadly

i have had the laptop since the 8th of this month

Hoi Fooni

How are you guys doing?

[tawny ore]

"laptop" <-- heat-throttling itself to death

[vocal shard]

my grandmother that has cancer bought it for me so ya she got it for me because i dont ask for anything

no actually the heat is just fine it doesn't throttle or nothing

[tawny ore]

Oh ok

[covert blade]

That's nice but probably not the best for VR

[vocal shard]

yikes.. ;-;

[covert blade]

But I have random disconnects from time to time as well

[tawny ore]

oh hold on, disconnects you say? As in from public world to your home one?

[covert blade]

Or from home to... home again

[vocal shard]

yea it was 926 dollars, and i told her not to but she yelled at me because i dont ask anything so i just said fine, and it doesn't disconnect from time to time, its when i have either someone doing those animations or i'm loading in to a game, mostly the loading into game one

[tawny ore]

Recently the VRC servers have been going haywire.

[covert blade]

Yes that has happened to me

Oh that kind of disconnect

[vocal shard]

The thing is, i've been playing every other game just fine

[tawny ore]

Read my above message

[covert blade]

VRC is special

[vocal shard]

yea i read

[tawny ore]

Its not you; it's VRC - Also doesn't help that in VRC the content is inherently un-optimized

[vocal shard]

the vrc servers are going haywire

[covert blade]

Ya know it's true when the whole instance is lagging with others confirming it

Like network lag

[vocal shard]

anywho im going to head to bed i just realized that its 2:15am

[slate verge]

wow same timezone as me too

[vocal shard]

huh .-.

[slate verge]

hi jurica i saw your message earlier

[sage zenith]

Loving vrchat servers

[slate verge]

is it really that bad? it seems to be stable for me

[stray temple]

It depends on the server you are connecting to actually.

[vocal shard]

Yeaah.. xD and ohh that's nice! ^^ XD

[sage zenith]

@slate verge it's terrible, it's been going on for awhile

@stray temple which server is better tho

[stray temple]

It is difficult question as it is time dependant as well.

[vocal shard]

hhhmm are we talking about vr or? xD

[queen mango]

@vocal shard If it is a malicious user, it's best to send a ticket regarding that at http://help.vrchat.com/new

No need to witch-hunt here

[vocal shard]

I am confused.. .-.

[sage zenith]

Wha

[queen mango]

To clear it up, he had a comment which had stated someone's name there. It got deleted.

[vocal shard]

Ohhh... I see..

[stray temple]

http://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/26-i-want-to-report-someone/

. Send us an email at [e-mail] with your in-game name, the name of the user you're reporting, and a brief description of the issue.

It is helpful if you attach images or video to these emails for proof. You can attach images directly to the email itself, and you can upload videos to Google Drive and share the link. You can also upload videos unlisted to YouTube if that is easier.

[vocal shard]

ohhh hell na..

[sage zenith]

Why can't you just fix the problem or explain to us how we can fix it ourselves

[vocal shard]

Now we will wait 10 min again for him to respond uwu

[sage zenith]

Lol

[stray temple]

If you mention, maybe quicker?

[vocal shard]

Hhhmm..

okay 5-8 min xD

[shy karma]

New vrchat update this week?

[umbral reef]

Id guess yes with how long the beta has been going on but no one can confirm it for sure (beside the devs ofc)

[elder aspen]

Is there a member of the team that may be able to help regarding the VRChat json API I would post in "Development" but i'm not 100% quite where this falls

[vocal shard]

there are now updates? .-. nani..

[stray temple]

I would guess if there are around 10 staff in discord on that day... Maybe something happening...

Just guess

[sage zenith]

Is there an update

[stray temple]

Last beta started 20th... Maybe another beta sometimes? No idea... My question too.

[sage zenith]

I mean I'd love an update to where I'm not timing out every 10 minutes

[stray temple]

That is a lot but most likely internet line could be a reason?

[sage zenith]

More people have been experiencing this

I just get sent back to home constantly

[stray temple]

Especially if not fibre I would say occur... Horrible thing to have...
I also got temp ADSL line only and got cut off too...

Will make it fibre again soon...

[sage zenith]

I just would like to not ree Everytime i get sent home

[stray temple]

Agree with you

[sage zenith]

[faint skiff]

Oh, may be worth someone trying this next time an instance is "lagging" for you: I think it's sometimes due to people using abusive models and shaders and cycling that seems to fix it. Everyone was complaining about an instance of the Pug running really badly. I went through security settings and toggled avatars off for each trust group one at a time, after I disabled orange users, performance went back to normal. I then twitched them back on and performance remained fine. From that point onwards people were still complaining about the instance running really badly, but it was absolutely fine for me.

It's almost like the client is stuck rendering garbage that shouldn't be there anymore and cycling all those avatars cleaned it up.

[sage zenith]

I'm not lagging tho

I'm being sent to home world

[faint skiff]

I wasn't talking to you 😛

Sorry, probably should have clarified that I meant in general

[sage zenith]

Ohh

[faint skiff]

VR question: On SteamVR, if you disable motion smoothing, you're no longer locked to Full FPS or half-FPS, but at the same time there's no screen tearing or input lag. Any ideas how that works?

[polar jasper]

@elder aspen no one from the team will help you officially with the API as there is no official support outside the game itself. And #development-advanced is fine and there is plenty of us here that use it

[quiet oasis]

I need beer

[elder aspen]

@polar jasper thanks man

[sweet belfry]

I cant block people via the website

[tacit plank]

I disabled some smoothing, and still get that 45fps area now and then

But I disabled it because it made a blur around moving objects. Not sure what kind of smoothing it was, but I didn't like it at all. I have some graphical errors though (transparent objects have horrible alasing)
I didn't have the graphical error at first, but after changing to desktopLow and back again it somehow appeared. Happened with the old card too. Nobody asked but I like ranting

[lone scroll]

https://i.imgur.com/EwDdNdQ.png

so what happend in the past 13 hours that made vrchats online user go from 6k avg to nearly 20k

[umbral reef]

Sleep time for EU to people in EU (summer vacation is in full force) are awake and Asia also.

[lone scroll]

wrong

the game never had this many players, since January 2018

& its in the middle of the week, most of EU has had summer vacation for 1/2 weeks atleast

[tacit plank]

That tracker probably broke, there's 5k people on right now

[umbral reef]

The bot always takes a fair while to update. But who knows then

[lone scroll]

yeah, someone said the same happend to pavlov/onward

[glossy wharf]

Nope there was actually people on

https://steamcharts.com/app/438100 24 hour peak was 20k

[lone scroll]

i mean i literally posted a screenshot xD why are you telling me this

[umbral reef]

Pavlov has indeed the same thing, lmao
The steam API being fucked does not sound to odd really

[lone scroll]

^

[umbral reef]

https://i.imgur.com/ryptqVR.png
This is from pavlov

[glossy wharf]

Beat Saber too 🤔

its legit all vr games lol

[umbral reef]

And only the VR games

[glossy wharf]

https://i.imgur.com/ORrGefn.png

Prolly a steamvr glitch then

[umbral reef]

inb4 everyone that has steamVR running 'plays' all the games they own

[vocal shard]

i do have a problem with the hangout house. every time i go in there i always get booted out automatically. can you fix thie glitch

[glossy wharf]

The map is not made by VRChat.

Most of the maps are community maps.

[umbral reef]

Oddly enough a game that has VR options but isnt core Vr does not get the stat boost

[faint skiff]

@tacit plank That's motion smoothing / asynchronous timewarp / reprojection. It's magic, but also creates the artifacting you were seeing there.

[tacit plank]

Ah, I see! I personally like it better without it, so I disabled it

[faint skiff]

Ditto. Disabling it also improves performance a bit so yeah.

I just don't understand how I can have a variable framerate without screen tearing.

[snow wadi]

Ewwo

@faint skiff o/

[faint skiff]

Heya 😃

[snow wadi]

Had a long ass day at work today, so glad to be done

[sterile drift]

Wait you're EU or

[faint skiff]

It was 33'c with 99% humidity here yesterday. I honestly thought I was going to die. Not ideal VR weather 😦

Houses in the UK are not designed for hot weather.

[snow wadi]

It's 35c here, I haz OP AC here because I'd be done for I didn't have one lol

[faint skiff]

Almost no houses in the UK have AC, luckily businesses normally do but that's not much use when you're bouncing around in VR at home, lol.

[ruby needle]

Time to buy one 😃

[faint skiff]

Retrofitting a 100 year old brick house for AC wouldn't be an easy or cheap task.

[ruby needle]

Well, there is many ways for AC's

from the not so desireable AIO room unity to a complete pipe system.

AIO Room units are the last resport that always can be used.

Window unity and simple Split ones are not hard to fit into a house if you are allowed to drill a hole that is.

[faint skiff]

I actually have an AIO but it's in the attic at the moment. The issue with that is it would have to vent out the patio door which would leave a massive gap and the bigger issue is that they are so unbelievably loud, like living in a jet engine, lol.

[tawny ore]

That gives me an idea.... create a draft between rooms... window open in one room (shadow side), window open in the other (heat)

[sterile drift]

Big ouch

[ruby needle]

well, thats a good and bad ac issue then

and for the gap issue, close it

[faint skiff]

@snow wadi Are you on GMT+4 or something near to that then?

[snow wadi]

GMT +4

[faint skiff]

Look at me with my magic time knowledge

[snow wadi]

[faint skiff]

I'm not quite sure what the tiny anime girl is doing in that picture...

[snow wadi]

Pointing up

Right click it > Open Link

[faint skiff]

Ahh, that's much easier to see. I was going cross-eyed trying to figure out what the tiny version was.

[snow wadi]

xD

[pure hemlock]

I am still trying to figure out what Qhala's avatar is

[faint skiff]

A bouncy bird

[umbral reef]

Thicc bird

[pure hemlock]

Ah it is a bird? I couldn't really tell because it's like 90% boob

[wise perch]

[pure hemlock]

It better be a booby bird

[tawny ore]

she said boob

I'm childish and I care not.

[snow wadi]

lmao

[wise perch]

[rough pulsar]

I've seen it. It's a bird, with boobs. big ones.

[snow wadi]

I'm a big burb >_>;;

[faint skiff]

She has the inertia of a small planet

[pure hemlock]

xD

[tawny ore]

and own gravity

could probably displace the moon

[snow wadi]

I'm the cause of gravitational pulls apparently

[pure hemlock]

So does that explains the e-boys? They are just orbiting the gravitational pull of boobs?

[faint skiff]

Something something motion of the ocean

[snow wadi]

I'm huggable though \ovo/

[torpid ibex]

squishy

[sterile drift]

Well that's a way to turn a conversation. Congratulations Gallium

[snow wadi]

Although like I said before, I'm nothing like my avatar. I surprised Gall as well with that. xD

[tawny ore]

@pure hemlock That makes a non 0 amount of sense... gravitating towards funpouches.

[snow wadi]

Ewwo fuzz o/

[pure hemlock]

Sorry, I was just trying to create a logical theory of why I see so many boys literally orbiting girls in VRChat. You're right though.

[faint skiff]

Well, I mean it's mainly because they're thirsty 15 year olds...

[tawny ore]

Lack of oxytocin

[pure hemlock]

Honestly, I dunno how old I sound, but I have 14 year olds calling me cutie and hittong on me and it makes me gag. I'm 28

[tawny ore]

Hah! you're ancient... get on my level 27

I joke of course; you're only as ancient as you deem yourself to be

[pure hemlock]

I am definitely not very mature for my age but come on.. Half my age? Ew

[tawny ore]

Yeah that's some illegal shenaniganry there

[faint skiff]

I'll have to ask people how old I sound as I'm really curious about that. The Vive toaster mic probably won't help that though.

[tawny ore]

You think that's bad? Have you heard the "Oculus Crackle" mic effects?

[faint skiff]

Oh god

The "my headset is full of robot bees" sound

[tawny ore]

Yep

[pure hemlock]

I thought i sounded pretty close to my age until I had teenager boys thinking I was like 15. Maybe the vive mic contributes to it

[faint skiff]

I've spoken to a few people and they always go away for a second, make a lot of noise, come back and it's stopped. I'm not sure how they're "fixing" it each time, lol.

[tawny ore]

I might just start kicking my oculus when it does that

[faint skiff]

I think they may just be smacking it on something as I can't think what else they're doing.

[tawny ore]

That's an idea actually; just flick it

signal overload and normalize

[snow wadi]

I'm using my own headphones with my rift s

[pure hemlock]

My big issue with the Mic on the Vive is it picks up my breathing

[tawny ore]

That would boil me alive

Imagine having this glorious lions mane of hair and then putting massive headset on

[snow wadi]

Only because me and Gall found out oculus doesn't handle the built in mic and audio very well

[tawny ore]

Yin put a plaster over it

[faint skiff]

@pure hemlock Have you masked yours? I put one of those self-adhesive felt pads on my Vive mic and it now doesn't pop, crackle, pick up breathing or sound anywhere near as bad.

[pure hemlock]

I had it masked with tape for awhile but it made my voice quality pretty bad, very muffled.

[faint skiff]

@snow wadi The Rift S took a big step back on the headphones unfortunately, no idea why they did that. So using your own makes sense.

[pure hemlock]

I've opted to use Push to Talk/Toggle Mic options for now and just enable the mic while I talk..

[faint skiff]

I'll take a picture of mine when I get home so you can see, it's one of those 2cm felt pads.

[snow wadi]

It's actually nice but because the whole bloody thing is pushing through a single USB 3.0 is...such a strange engineering decision.

[faint skiff]

Yeah... it was even worse with all the cameras requiring their own USB ports on the original rift.

[tawny ore]

that's a lot of CPU interrupts

[sterile drift]

I am exist again sorry

And honestly I can't say the same with me and my avatar, but at the same time, what can you really say a Pokemon trainer is like lol

If anything I barely use him anymore bc I've been doing so many other projects that I just haven't come back to him

[faint skiff]

My new smart boi Enverex avatar is nearly done so I'll have a classier looking av soon. It's the one I stressed out on the other week and had to redo a load of.

@sterile drift Did you make it yourself then?

[sterile drift]

The Pokemon trainer? I assume that's what you mean

[faint skiff]

Yus

[sterile drift]

If you mean modeling, definitely not

But if you mean putting together and texturing, yes

[faint skiff]

Kit bish-bash-boshing 😛

[sterile drift]

Yea except these parts were meant to fit together, I see kitbashing more as taking parts that weren't supposed to go together and super gluing them

The trainer I'm talking about is my Discord icon

[faint skiff]

Ahh

[sterile drift]

Honestly trying to figue them out for the first time was a nightmare

[faint skiff]

I wasn't aware there were even any "designed to be swappable kits" out there

[sterile drift]

This was before I had paint.net and knew what color masks were

[faint skiff]

My edits have all been the "not designed for each other, not even designed for the same race" mashes.

[sterile drift]

Oh these parts are from Pokemon Sun/Moon

Player customization and all that

Imo X and Y has better fashion options, just there's far fewer.

Especially for the females, way better. At least there's a bit more options than male.

Plus they look better as characters anyway

Better proportions and art style

Sun and Moon's style is just the in between of X/Y and Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee

Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire had the same situation, except it was the case of "In between X/Y and S/M"

[languid beacon]

My avatars are kitbashed except actually optimized together in blender so vrchat does not consider them the spawn of Satan

[faint skiff]

Well that goes without saying. We're not monsters 😛

[languid beacon]

I avoid the term kitbash since it seems mostly used for slapping a bunch of skinned mesh renders in unity with an entire armature for each part

[final vale]

hey anyone has one of those wheelchair avatars that can do a "falling" animation and is ok to either let me clone it or bring me to the world where they found the avatar ? dm if ok

[rough pulsar]

Kitbash is the correct term, and the best one. It's a legitimate technique used throughout the 3D industry.

I hear 'frankensteining' used for the more messy combinations

[languid beacon]

Yeah I once looked at someone’s model and their necklace was just an entirely different model with everything invisible except the necklace, parented to their chest

[rough pulsar]

Yeah, that's not kitbashing, that's a crime we just don't have laws for yet.

[languid beacon]

It’s more common than you think lol

[rough pulsar]

Oh I know. Doesn't make it acceptable.

[final vale]

What yall talking about

[languid beacon]

And it wasn’t like. Inactive game objects. They just erased the textures with transparency and used a cutout shader

[desert stratus]

nightmare avatar tactics

[rough pulsar]

We're talking about people doing things completely wrong

[desert stratus]

like adding an extra 70k tris for a necklace

im proud of the fact that my latest avatar is gonna round out to about 29k tris. looks better than the old one and is double-sided, too

or double sided where it's needed

[final vale]

what's wrong with having a necklace ?

[rough pulsar]

Nothing, it's how they did it that's wrong

[final vale]

How did they ?

[slate verge]

you know what really bothers me? people don't bother to optimize their damn mirrors in their worlds

[faint skiff]

It's just a shame that dynamic bones take me from Good to Poor rating. Everything feels too static without them.

[rough pulsar]

So the correct way is to separate it from the source mesh, and properly join & weight it to the target mesh & rig.

As Adeon's describing it, they just made the rest of the source model invisible via shader and just strapped it on in place.

[desert stratus]

in other words, its the equivalent of having two avatars in the same spot, rather than just taking the necklace off the existing one. this results in this avatar taking up a similar "hardware footprint" of two avatars on your PC, and now that person has effectively lowered the room capacity of any world they go into by one.

[rough pulsar]

Yup.

[frosty veldt]

I stopped caring about the performance rating when I needed rigid bodies to get final IK to work. As long as it's as optimized as possible with the functionality you want that's as good as it gets. And obviously you should be in an avatar for the situation. Less shit when you want more people.

[slate verge]

i have yet to see an excellent mmd avatar

[desert stratus]

as long as you try. medium tends to be alright

mine would be excellent except it has four materials

[slate verge]

every mmd avatar i've seen and use are all poor

[desert stratus]

29k tris, only one fucking mesh

[rough pulsar]

I think I had one iteration od my avatar go as low as Medium
Used it for about two days

Otherwise always good here

I do have the advantage of not being an MMD at all

[desert stratus]

the avatar im working on rn will probably jump up to medium in the future cuz of some plans that i have for it. they wouldn't exactly work out now though, with netIK still being imperfect

[frosty veldt]

I think it would be interesting if they let you see avatar size in the performance ranking. Not saying they should rank on size I'm just curious how much I'm loading in for everyone.

But if I don't want to do any fancy stuff it's always excellent for everything that isn't dynamic bones which go to good/medium

[rough pulsar]

That would be nice, like at the end of the upload it says how big the avatar file is.

[languid beacon]

Unless dynamic bone, there’s no reason for any MMD avatar to be rated anything other than excellent/good. Dynamic bone is the only reason they should reasonably be medium/poor. And there’s no excuse for Very Poor

[vestal sleet]

Tfw everyone avatar is very poor

[desert stratus]

my avatars take a bit of time to load in cuz i atlas at a fairly large amount (2k or 4k x 2k) and i use a lot of masks and maps for stuff on it

[faint skiff]

@slate verge if I reduce the dynamic bones on all my avatars, they all become "good" rated

[frosty veldt]

My FBT updated MMD models are all 1 crunched atlas so they are all about 3mb total or so and the quick load is so nice.

[desert stratus]

actually not that much, i think it was like 2 thickness maps, and like 2 emission masks, one normal and one emission

[languid beacon]

Alternate versions with emotes and junk will be very poor; I just mean the versions that they wear 95% of the time.

[slate verge]

thats still odd to me

[faint skiff]

@slate verge the only thing holding them back from excellent is tris count which I've avoided lowering unless I have to (except to keep it within the good rating)

Think I have one that I could decimate just a little and hit excellent on with very little change.

[rough pulsar]

Huh, 23mb for me.
I do have quite a few large textures and other maps on.

[languid beacon]

Very poor is more accurately “didn’t even try”

[frosty veldt]

One issue I was having was if I wanted to take knives from my hips to my hands I can either disable the hip knives and enable hand knives (which gives me very poor do to counting 4 knives instead of 2) or using final IK and rigid bodies to move the knives from the legs to the hands (which gives me very poor due to rigid bodies). Can't win

[slate verge]

triple times the lazy effort

[rough pulsar]

Well, I should be off. Have fun without me.

[languid beacon]

@frosty veldt shape keys. Part of same mesh. They just shrink into nothing

[frosty veldt]

That would still be 4 knives in a sense, it's not the mesh count it's the dynamic bones and polys of 4 knives vs 2 knives

[languid beacon]

Why do knives need dynamic bones

[faint skiff]

Quality high, crunch compression to max. My avatars are now tiny. They upload in like 2 seconds even on my crap net.

[floral zodiac]

is there a way to try out maps without having it launchin in vr mode ?

[frosty veldt]

Warframe stuff is fancy. I'm saying knifes but they are flowers twisted into an axe. So the leafy parts move around

[languid beacon]

Crunch compression only assists load speed though they get uncompressed once sent, so I usually don’t bother. It doesn’t help fps, just makes you appear faster

[floral zodiac]

like on the unity "test world"

[slate verge]

wouldn't it be great if almost every other video games animation were ported to vrchat via unity?

and they can be used as default animations

[frosty veldt]

Every company does it differently it gets awkward to try to support everything in unity's shoes

[languid beacon]

I mean VRChat official stance is that game rips aren’t allowed without express permission. But you know how that goes

They just assume you had permission until informed otherwise. But they of course would never be default assets

[slate verge]

yeah i know

[faint skiff]

@languid beacon its incredibly useful for those of us with rubbish net connections.

[frosty veldt]

Also super nice to load an avatar in no time at all, only time I don't crunch is if it has visible negative impact on the textures

[languid beacon]

Yeah that’s my issue

[slate verge]

i love avatars that loads in fast, those are top tier

[languid beacon]

I use really tiny detail and crunch just jpegs it all. It’s better for realistic textrues that look fine as jpeg

[final vale]

hey anyone has one of those wheelchair avatars that can do a "falling" animation and is ok to either let me clone it or bring me to the world where they found the avatar ? dm if ok i really want that avatar

[desert stratus]

the real top-tier is sub 5k tri avatars

[final vale]

Sorry for begging

[desert stratus]

yeah no i dont think anybody has that

[slate verge]

my friend alex actually has an avatar like that, but i don't know what to say or how to reply to that

[final vale]

Does he have discord

[slate verge]

he does

[final vale]

What's his username and #?

Oh also btw does he have a falling y bot avatar or a wheelchair falling avatar ?

[slate verge]

wheelchair falling avatar yes

its basically a handicapped halo armor guy in a wheel chair with animations that makes him fall and lays down flat on the ground while making a sound "My leg"

[mighty cradle]

I got a Q

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379536677758304256/603606194921406464/unknown.png

terrestrial? gaseous? star?

[final vale]

Nice that's the exact avatar i'm looking for

The odst wheelchair

[slate verge]

its better if you just find him in-game and add him, name is AspieAlex

[final vale]

Thanks

[slate verge]

or wait actually if you search his name in this server he will appear in the listing cuz he is in this server i believe

i notice that recently. Even popular avatar world author's are also in this server. Thats amazing.

[rigid crescent]

what map is that? it looks like the same moon asset from Hartmann's Garden

[final vale]

I don't find him here

[slate verge]

he's literally the only aspiealex

you can dm him too since he's in the server

[rigid crescent]

hm puush bein weird

https://i.imgur.com/IdMWE5c.png there we go, this moon

[desert stratus]

thats a rlly pretty photo

walllpaper time

[faint skiff]

@languid beacon I've noticed zero artifacting or blurring as long as you set it to high quality.

[rigid crescent]

dont wallpaper me 😤

[desert stratus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/577999283916111885/603608054679732245/unknown.png?width=1201&height=676

[winged flicker]

anyone wanna be my first friend on vr

[rigid crescent]

https://puu.sh/DWOry/f4922fc23d.png this one's my phone wallpaper lol

[desert stratus]

it is too late. if it makes you feel any better it's in a folder full of wallpapers in rotation

[umbral reef]

@glossy wharf Your a smart cookie so ima bounce this idea of you
Can it be that the stat trackers are actually right now instead of before?
Like that it first only tracked if you launched the game in a specific way and now it tracks all ways?
Would explain the boost in all VR games

[desert stratus]

glorious

[languid beacon]

High quality doesn’t reduce file size for me

It appears to do nothing other than make it require a reuploaded when unity updates

[glossy wharf]

@umbral reef Idk, the numbers would kinda make sense for stuff like beatsaber but the VRChat bot reports a diff playcount and thats with oculus users and stuff too

[umbral reef]

Well tbh id find it faily insane some lesser known VR games also got a fair growth at the same time
But eh- guess we gotta wait for an official tweet or something

[glossy wharf]

prolly just steam being steam

[umbral reef]

Big odds- Not like id be there first fuck up lmao

[languid beacon]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 7379 users in VRChat currently

[languid beacon]

Not bad for a midweek morning

[plush cove]

yep

[desert stratus]

id join em soon but currently finishing up this avatar that's been kicking my ass for almost 24 hours now

[slate verge]

:(

you should take a break sometimes, its not healthy to do that

[desert stratus]

i have been

or, ive been forced to

[plush cove]

why not live in vrchat

in vr 24/7

[desert stratus]

cuz ive either been working on this late at night or right before im stolen to go somewhere

[slate verge]

i hate it when that happens

[plush cove]

i mean its possible to stay in vr for 7 days why not stay 7 days in vrchat?

i mean everyone likes it

[ruby needle]

because not only is it absolutely unhealthy and going to ruin your power bill.
You really want to have breaks and make sure you're getting some variation.

[plush cove]

i mean yeah

and eating, that stuff you just do it, not like you dont eat for 7 days

dead chat?

[faint skiff]

You can get variation. Sometimes you go to the Pug, sometimes you go to a Japanese train station, sometimes you go to a rainy apartment, lol

[slate verge]

my favorite worlds are the rainy maps cuz of the soothing background rain sounds

[still lark]

Yup, it's dead.

[faint skiff]

I mean trying to eat virtual food would probably help with dieting too 😛

The lack of spacialisation on the rain kinda kills the effect for me

[slate verge]

some rain worlds you can control thunder sounds and even the lightning speed flashes which is amazing

[plush cove]

does someone have a link for a tokyo station?

[slate verge]

pretty sure you can just search it up

[plush cove]

i dont find it

i mean i dont see it

[slate verge]

sometimes it doesn't go by tokyo stations specifically, it can go by japanese train station for example if i were to assume that a tokyo station is a train station that you are looking for.

[plush cove]

k

[faint skiff]

@plush cove This one is nice - https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_c215101b-8f13-408c-8bc6-1687cf87762f

(not Tokyo specifically though)

[slate verge]

there are alot of other train station worlds that are decent

[faint skiff]

Something more like this, if you're looking for urban - https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_3619e464-785c-410c-8ad4-899c047b1704

[winged flicker]

can someone be my friend on vr chat

[faint skiff]

Go into the Pug and start molesting people's faces, you'll make friends in no time.

[winged flicker]

the pug doesnt really load well for some reason for me

i also havent talked once yet im so shy aha

[plush cove]

yeah im italian and sometimes im shy

[languid beacon]

Just randomly walk up to someone and ask them questions it’s easy

[slate verge]

senpai notice me

[faint skiff]

Make sure you use your best trap voice and use a small looking female avatar when you do it

[slate verge]

i find that traps are cute, i have most of them as guy friends

[gusty spoke]

sure

[winged flicker]

what if im actually female so i dont need a trap voice?

[gusty spoke]

i will be ur friend

xD

[faint skiff]

You have to do a man voice and use an overly sexualised male avatar

[plush cove]

how does furtrap do his voice tho

[winged flicker]

i cant speak that low ill sound like an idiot ):D

[gusty spoke]

loll

[faint skiff]

Please use a voice changer to try and sound male, that would be hilarious

[gusty spoke]

i have no friends on vrchat :/ 😛

[winged flicker]

ill be ur friend pie!!

[gusty spoke]

RLY

[winged flicker]

yes:)

[gusty spoke]

what u doin now lol

[winged flicker]

looking at skins

[gusty spoke]

for vrchat?

[faint skiff]

No, they're a murderer and flay their victims before hiding the bodies. They're currently browsing their collection.

[plush cove]

like fursuits?

[flat charm]

You also have to wear an anime girl avatar with a shit ton of shaders and spend 8 hours a day in front of a mirror

[plush cove]

will do

vrchat a.k.a the mirror game

[faint skiff]

The amount of worlds where people just mirror sit is a bit depressing. That is one thing I'll give visitor ranked people over the older players, at lease the white plates are normally exploring or doing something...

[plush cove]

the first song i will listen while setting up my vive?

open sesame tofu 1h earrape

[flat charm]

i've met some Trusted and Known that act like elitists

thinking they're more special cause they have a higher rank then people

@faint skiff mirror sim 2019

[faint skiff]

I noticed Poi's shaders have an option to make you not appear in mirrors, that could be good for confusing people.

[frosty veldt]

Exploring worlds gives me motion sickness so mirror sim it is

[faint skiff]

New to VR?

[languid beacon]

Keep snap turning on and use holo port I find it near impossible to get sick in vr even if it’s a very first experience

[faint skiff]

Snap turning is definitely key. I can't stand holo-port though, the constant in/out/in/out of body experience is horrible.

[languid beacon]

As you get used to it you can turn holo port off after some time and snap turning off when you are very ready

Trust me first timers to vr absolutely need holoport

It is annoying but important

[faint skiff]

I find snap turning just useful anyway, because if I want to turn a little, I just turn IRL, if I want to turn more, I can just spam snap turn a few times.

How does snap turning work with an analogue stick though?

(on the Vive you just press the pad to snap turn)

[languid beacon]

It’s a button

[faint skiff]

Ah

[languid beacon]

I mean it uses analog stick left/right as if it’s a button

[faint skiff]

Oh. Hmm, not quite as good then.

[languid beacon]

It’s fine

You just left, recenter, left, recenter

Once you get your sea legs you can change it to smooth turning

Which has a gradient analog control for turn speed

But that’s like final boss of vr

Only when you are ready

[faint skiff]

It's more that it makes me dizzy if I'm moving forward or back at the same time. I've had the headset for like 3 years now so it's not exactly being inexperienced with it.

(where as snap turning doesn't)

[languid beacon]

You can absolutely get used to smooth turning so it doesn’t phase you even slightly but I actually don’t recommend it: the mental processing that makes you immune to smooth turning also kills your ability to get immersed to an extent

[frosty veldt]

Oh no I've got around 600-700 hours in VR I'm just cursed

[faint skiff]

That said I still occasionally get wobbly when moving forward or back and have to "plant" myself properly IRL like I'm blading, lol

[frosty veldt]

Smooth turning is fine just movement in general gets to me after a while especially if it's fast. Rather be sick than use holoport though

[languid beacon]

If you are big on immersion I actually recommend sticking with snap turning and just turn IRL as much as possible

[frosty veldt]

Issue is I sit a lot so can't physically turn a lot and then turning irl causes the cords to wrap up

[languid beacon]

Heck; unbind the right stick entirely :p

[faint skiff]

Nah, too tangly

[languid beacon]

there’s a nice ovr app called turnsignal tells you which direction untwist on the floor below you

[frosty veldt]

Snap turning is really jarring imo, leaves me feeling lost or unaware of how much I've actually turned

[faint skiff]

I can feel which direction I need to go, but it's another aspect that takes you out of VR (having to think about RL things)

[languid beacon]

That’s actually the idea. Snap turning prevents you from perceiving the world artificially turning

[vestal pier]

I can do everything in vr, i got super vr legs, but smooth turning is something else

it hurts

[languid beacon]

I could do all day , I forced myself to get used to it. 2 weeks of sick but I got my brain to stop hating it

Now I don’t even flinch

[vestal pier]

i tried that multiple times

[languid beacon]

But there’s side effects

Being successful I just can’t see the world as real now it’s a screen 📺

So don’t do it

I’ve since just outright unbounded my right stick so immersion is slowly returning

[vestal pier]

modern problems

[frosty veldt]

I can stay in VR all day as long as I avoid the specific things that make me sick, close my eyes when those screen shaders show up

[vestal pier]

i avoid those by using the features the game provided to disable them because im not a sadist

[frosty veldt]

I've got them disabled on non friends but even the most subtle shake or distortion that some of my friends use can make me nauseous

[desert stratus]

super VR leg gang. i can last....15 min at the "fun land" map

[opaque hawk]

I can only stay in vr hours a couple hours at most without needing a long break.

[vestal pier]

Shaders are fine with me, ive just got basically everything disabled because i feel like ive seen pretty much everything

[languid beacon]

Next step is just hang on the this discord all day instead of playing vr

[vestal pier]

i feel attacked

[faint skiff]

Or blendering for the rest of your life

[vestal pier]

i feel even more attacked

[frosty veldt]

Take a break from vrchat by making models for vrchat. Take a break from making models by playing vrchat

[languid beacon]

It’s kind of funny when the most hardcore vrchat users have less weekly log time than the casuals but it totally happens

[faint skiff]

Or just spend all your time making models until 3am and then not have time for VRChat...

[opaque hawk]

Just @ next time @frosty veldt

[vestal pier]

i only really play vrc in vr, on sundays.. at the meetup event

[faint skiff]

Literally for a week or so I've spent almost no time in-game because of being obsessed with making/fixing/perfecting my avatars.

[languid beacon]

Eyup

Then you finally log in and wear it for 2 minutes and are like awesome ok time to fix it more

[opaque hawk]

“This will be a fine addition to my collection”

[vestal pier]

all of these avatars ill never use because i stick to my main

[opaque hawk]

Honestly same, just need to fix my legs so it’s better in full body and I’ll only use my other avatars for testing

[frosty veldt]

Only time I get on really is when I have a new avatar or want to test something but once I'm on I'm on for 6+ hours usually

[vocal shard]

Whats a VR You would recomend for ubder $100

[meager solstice]

no vr headset is under 100

unless it is like a pre-owned windows mixed reality

[languid beacon]

I do not recommend buying a headset for under 100, waste of money you could have put toward a vr headset

[meager solstice]

^ not wrong

[vocal shard]

Used wmr from eBay maybe. But nothing new. Mobile phone VR isn't worth it

First question is, do you have a VR capable PC?

[pseudo maple]

If you have a tight budget and looking to get your first one, nothing wrong getting the Rift, the older one with the two sensors and controllers. Good to start off with imo, it's what I use. I plan to upgrade of course

[languid beacon]

Older rifts are getting more expensive Than Rift S’s and have questionable wear (buying a clean face gasket will put you way over the price of a rift S at a lower quality experience)

[pseudo maple]

Huh? Really? Personally doesn't make sense since the Rift S is better, or at least seems to be..

[pastel galleon]

If you get a used rift it's still way cheaper than the S

[vocal shard]

in unity VRchat SDK, is it based on game time or time in the SDK before i can upload an avatar, and how long is it?

[pseudo maple]

Mine is used

[faint skiff]

@vocal shard Active time in game

[pseudo maple]

But I thoroughly cleaned it before wearing the first time 😂

[covert blade]

@vocal shard Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.

You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be 20-40 hours, but big exceptions are possible.

Make sure you are not using a steam or oculus account because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.

http://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/27-why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet

[vocal shard]

@faint skiff okay, i have 7 hours in game on steam, but i guess that doesnt transfer over to the SDK because I had to make a new vr chat account to use for the sdk because apparently you cant use steam. Is there any way to transfer it over?

[faint skiff]

@vocal shard Merge your accounts. There's an option on the site

[pastel galleon]

You can merge the accounts

[vocal shard]

would that merge the hours played/friends i made?

[covert blade]

Yes, that's why it's called "Merge"

[pastel galleon]

Yep

[vocal shard]

okay ill chcek the site! thank you very much friends :)

is it called account link? i think i tried this before, but I couldnt find the merge token in game

[covert blade]

ESC -> Setting -> Bottom right

[pseudo maple]

Yup

[tacit patio]

if you are ingame there is an option called "upgrade account"
that's where you can get the token

[vocal shard]

okay ill try it on desktop

thank you ill report back

[faint skiff]

I avoided that option for ages because I thought it was to some paid version or something lol

[covert blade]

I clicked it because I was curious what it meant, and was too lazy to do it until I had VR

[pseudo maple]

I didn't realise you could play without having an account created on the site so I've never had the troubles of merging

[vocal shard]

Now that you mention it, yeah I can see how the upgrade option could sound like a paid thing

[pastel galleon]

The merging has had many problems but I guess it's fixed now

[covert blade]

For me it only had the problem of world playlists not being shown until I added something to the playlist

[pseudo maple]

I heard of a previous issue where merging apparently made you lose the friends you made, or something like that

[covert blade]

I guess that's why it is best to do it as soon as possible

[pseudo maple]

True

[covert blade]

The sooner you make it, the less you have to lose in terms of friends, play time, favorited worlds and avatars

[faint skiff]

My VRC account was empty and everything was on my Steam account. It worked fine for me.

[vocal shard]

I merged my steam account which had almost nothing on it, so I didn't notice if there were any issues

[languid beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/142531144364195841/603076172812779521/741xnx7dc7y21.png

[pseudo maple]

Thankfully, before I even got the game finished installing, I had already created the VRC account 😂

[pastel galleon]

And without those steam numbers on the name lol

[tacit patio]

I merged my accounts today and had no problems luckily.. but i only have 3 ingame friends so far :P

[languid beacon]

Naw, despite what people say, Rift S is considerably better than Vive / Rift

[faint skiff]

Why is the white, blue in the original Rift in that picture?

[vocal shard]

okay i merged it, and it said that it will take up to an hour to move friends and avatars over. can i play during this migrate time or do i need be to logged out?

[pseudo maple]

I'd love for the Rift S, sick of the problems with my sensors

[vocal shard]

@faint skiff the icon wasn't selected for the rift image

rift s is an amazing headset btw i have one

[umbral reef]

@pastel galleon The main problem is that if the VRC account has favorites and ect they dont transfer over. Its silly that it is not made clear

[covert blade]

@vocal shard I suggest not playing until everything is merged just in case

[faint skiff]

@vocal shard That's a bit misleading then...

[pastel galleon]

Ah that can be troubling

[vocal shard]

The comparison is supposed to be pixel size. Not the colour

[pseudo maple]

Does it still need sensors for the controllers?

[vocal shard]

yea my avatars came over but not my friends :( ill check back in an hour

[faint skiff]

But without white, you can't compare it properly (due to colours being relevant with pentile screes)

[covert blade]

Bad comparison if more than one thing changes

[vocal shard]

Oke

[sterile drift]

Without white you only have black

[covert blade]

Now it looks like the original Rift is worse than it is

[vocal shard]

There's a zoomed out version of the pictures which shows some selected icons on the rift as well

[sterile drift]

Funny I just realized

[pseudo maple]

I gotta try and get the Rift S, then sell my Rift..

[faint skiff]

Yeah, that's what threw me off. It also makes the Vive look much worse than it is, but I assume it's because the camera is so close (closer than your eyes would be or see)

[pseudo maple]

But then I want the index controllers too..

[sterile drift]

Irl, all colors mixed together makes black

[covert blade]

I thought all colors mixed together give white

[sterile drift]

But when it comes to a PC screen I mean

[faint skiff]

@sterile drift That's paint, not digital. Black is the absence of colour in digital media.

[sterile drift]

I know

That's why I said irk

Irl

I'm dying send help

[covert blade]

Im gonna stick with my Vive for a long time though. Kinda like it even though the resolution isn't really the greatest. I'm fine with SteamVR too

[sterile drift]

Mobile keyboard is bbad

[vocal shard]

A more even comparison
https://m.imgur.com/t/resolution/xbj4ivM

[covert blade]

Basically get the Index

[faint skiff]

Reverb looks nice there

[sterile drift]

Btw anyone in Canada?

[pastel galleon]

What's ody

[covert blade]

"Reverb" yeah it does

[vocal shard]

I'm in Canada ^^

[covert blade]

I've legit never heard of half of these headsets though

[sterile drift]

Pokemon Masters is getting a preview version released tomorrow

[covert blade]

Oh, Reverb is HP VR

[sterile drift]

For Singapore and Canada

[vocal shard]

Ooh

[faint skiff]

The 5K looks disappointing for the hype

[vocal shard]

lol i can upload custom content now! played for like 10 mins after mergeing account

The 5k+ has been compared to the Lenovo wmr for pixel density. It's selling point is the fov

[faint skiff]

With the 6mm pad on my Vive, I actually find the FoV completely acceptable, the "binoculars" effect is gone.

[languid beacon]

Screen door is too distracting on vive for me

[faint skiff]

Oh yeah, that is the major issue with it. In darker environments I hit presence all the time though. I guess that's a benefit of OLED and darkness hiding the screen door.

[pastel galleon]

It takes time to get used to

[languid beacon]

Also why the heck aren’t there non-pentile oleds

[faint skiff]

The PSVR was, but it's low res

[languid beacon]

Yes I’m a firm supporter of OLED headsets for immersion and hate seeing them be replaced with lcd

[faint skiff]

The change to LCD is really disappointing. 144Hz isn't reachable for most people and requires more hardware, where as better screen technology doesn't increase machine requirements.

[vocal shard]

It's really what you're used to. I used to think the DK2 was clear and sharp. Now I find the Rift CV1 sde too much. Then you have ones like Sebastian from MRTV who felt the index sde was disappointing after getting used to the reverb

[languid beacon]

Rift S looks crisp as heck but dark scenes will make you sad

[vocal shard]

Im too poor to get any of that so back to PC Lol

[faint skiff]

I'm hoping Valve manage to do something clever in software with dynamic contrast/brightness but I doubt it.

[languid beacon]

I do recommend Rift S (399) as the cheapest headset to go for . Anything cheaper is not a worthwhile experience for what you spend

[vocal shard]

Oof ok uhh

[languid beacon]

In my opinion of course

[faint skiff]

What are the issues with the Reverb? That picture makes it look amazing but I'm guessing it has big issues...

[vocal shard]

Here i havw 2$ rn soo uhh

I agree, the rift S is really good value

2736 years to go

The Reverb has mura, and they got recalled

Ok

[neon flume]

How common is the pimax 5k+ in vrchat? I haven't met anyone that says they're using one.

[languid beacon]

I’m sure eventually rift S will get a price cut, maybe for Christmas I don’t know

Pimax is overpriced. 800 for just a headset then you need hands and sensors

[vocal shard]

And most computers still struggle with the pimax

[languid beacon]

Vive pro is also a fine headset it’s just priced unreasonably

[vocal shard]

Ooh, nice

Oh?

[languid beacon]

(And I’d argue rift S looks better than vive pro)

[vocal shard]

You mean screen?

[languid beacon]

Screen alone yes

[vocal shard]

Yeah it's definitely sharper.

[faint skiff]

It's higher res isn't it, but again loses the blacks and contrast

[languid beacon]

Oculus rift S is 399 usd

Oculus.com

[faint skiff]

Don't say just $ then lol

[vocal shard]

Rift S is lower resolution, but has an extra subpixel for every pixel and ends up having better fill factor

[unreal shard]

Ok what's been going on today?

[vocal shard]

No I think it's better value for sure. It is sharper than the Vive pro

[languid beacon]

It also has slightly Lowe FoV than pro meaning those pixels are actually higher density in addition to having Better fill per pixel and being rgb. Result is just solid colors no screen door

[vocal shard]

It's hard to explain, it's just how Pentile vs RGB works

[languid beacon]

Vive pro is the same screens as quest so it’s the same as comparing rift S to quest

[faint skiff]

For £400 it's pretty good

[snow wadi]

Just use the infamous Todd Howard quote @vocal shard : "It just works"

[vocal shard]

Lol

[languid beacon]

I will say I prefer OLED over LCD just for pure blacks / immersive darkness

[faint skiff]

RGB AMOLED would have been nice Valve, cmon..

[vocal shard]

OLED switches slower though and is more likely to smear, so for higher refresh, fast switch LCD makes sense for now

[unreal shard]

It's honestly so disgusting

[sterile drift]

Todd Howard is a legend upon men

[faint skiff]

I've never found smearing on the Vive to be an issue, but I've not tested any LCD headsets to compare

[vocal shard]

It's not much of a noticable smear unless directly comparing, but it affects us more subconscious. The fast switch LCD lowers chance of motion sicknesses

[neon flume]

From what I've heard from my friend with the index, black levels aren't too much of an issue. She doesn't really notice it even in games with high contrast like Elite Dangerous.

[faint skiff]

That did worry me is people saying the lack of blackness and brightness hurts presence

[inner cape]

I heard elite dangerous 👁

[unreal shard]

High contrast is like if you were on drugs or something, you can't lie about that.

[faint skiff]

Elite Grinderous?

[languid beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/142531144364195841/597143746869461012/Screenshot_20190705-150440.png

Black levels

[neon flume]

painite mining makes the grind disappear

[inner cape]

[languid beacon]

OLED screens not pictured because they are just black

[opaque sail]

hii

[faint skiff]

I mean I have several bil and an Imperial Cutter, but still...

[inner cape]

void opal a day keeps bankruptcy away

[neon flume]

oof the pimax 5k+ really doesn't look great in that comparison

[inner cape]

bottom left corner is best ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[languid beacon]

Pimax 5k+ is for FoV and resolution, not black levels

Everyone values different specs differently. I think Rift S is the most balanced across the board but there will be some that scoff at its refresh rate; etc

Then there’s Index which has just about everything perfect for 1K usd

[faint skiff]

Rift S is probably your best bet if A) money is a concern and B) you don't intend to go FBT in future (and a potential third of that you don't mind funding Facebook...)

[languid beacon]

Oculus hybrid full body is perfectly legimate And now works just as well as full vive full body. It’s just expensive

I’m dumb and prefer touch controllers over Index controllers

But it’s only because of VRChat choices

[neon flume]

Idk, at least for me I am happier with fbt with a vive than with my hybrid setup. No need to worry about interference from the controllers. Maybe it varies from user to user but for me if the controllers were within 30cm of the tracker I'd usually lose tracking. I would buy an index but uh... 🇨🇦

[faint skiff]

Hybrid for FTB is as you said very expensive and a bit of a faff. Controls I assume will be fixed over time.

[languid beacon]

Controls are perfect the only issue is drift overtime requiring you run the auto-calibrator every few hours and no one seems to know why drift occurs

[vernal forge]

Our reality is slowly drifting apart when you play Vrc thats what

[languid beacon]

The two playspace sort of just Brownian motion away from each other over the course of days. Running the “wave in figure 8” thing lines them back up

[faint skiff]

Fast and the Furious: Oculus Drift

[tawny ore]

@inner cape What ship you rocking in Elite?

I think I have an accurate assessment of Oculus vs other hardware now... Finally.

[faint skiff]

What, don't you all have a dozen ships?

[tawny ore]

I have like 4 ships xD Diamondback Ex, Krait Phantom for mining, Vette for bossing around and Alliance chieftain for Xeno hunting

[faint skiff]

I love using the ol' Vauxhall Vectra as a runabout (the Hauler, which looks like a Vauxhall from the inside...)

[inner cape]

@tawny ore anaconda cause fuck rank grinding

[tawny ore]

But the basking in a vette.... and in VR its just... I mean... the first time I opened ED in VR... I went through 4 pairs of pants...

[inner cape]

I played in vr for 2 minutes, couldnt play it for the rest of the day
motion sickness/10 experience, never again

[tawny ore]

That's really interesting actually!
You see, I can't even look at my phone in a car because I get sick...
I opened elite, did barrel rolls (while standing on the wing of the ship launched fighter lol) and felt fine (outside of nearly falling over because my body was trying to counterbalance the spin it was seeing)

However locomotion in VR; especially when approaching walls and large objects; would really make me ill

Thankfully I've sprouted some sturdy VR legs

[neon flume]

My first time in vr was doing flips in the srv. Falling in minecraft vr does make me pretty queasy though.

[tawny ore]

Oh god, the SRV I can imagine being quite hellish

[inner cape]

I'm very bad with motion sickness in general, and if do get to the point of vomiting, which isn't that hard for me, I'm gonna be sick for 4 days straight

I had that happen to me twice throughout year and a few months of vr

[tawny ore]

Holy cow

Well, be ready for hard times when you get back in VR

The VR legs fade in absence of VR

[inner cape]

not really

well, they do but I takes more than I'm going to be gone for

last year I was fine when back on vr after a long break

[tawny ore]

Oh then you should be ok hopefully 😃

[inner cape]

I was sick cause of VR just recently tho, in may, right in the middle of my exams

[tawny ore]

I did a massive drag on my vape earlier and the fan blew all of the vape into my headset... so I had eyefuls of vape inside the headset

[faint skiff]

smrtboi

[inner cape]

flying around in a jet in vrc for about 30 seconds nearly made me miss a life important exam

[tawny ore]

get sea sickness tablets or antihistamine

kick that inner ear canal where it hurts

[inner cape]

none of that helps fuzz, I had this problem for as long as I remember

[tawny ore]

Ah :/

https://tenor.com/view/dumbledore-welp-gif-8398567

[obtuse garnet]

ok

yo guys, whats up, can you help me? I'm searching a Skin

[languid beacon]

No harm in asking but specific avatars tend to be a grain of sand on a beach

[obtuse garnet]

well, I do it anyways

wait, I cant upload pics

[languid beacon]

You have to link to them

[obtuse garnet]

whats the name of the site again?

where you can upload pics

[languid beacon]

imgur

[obtuse garnet]

https://imgur.com/b0cLetC

[covert blade]

Beware of all the mobile users that'll complain that they can't zoom in so closely

What even is that?

[obtuse garnet]

lol

[languid beacon]

We been trolled boys

[obtuse garnet]

no

[faint skiff]

I believe that's Spangbab Sqorepunt

[obtuse garnet]

I had to paint it, because It makes it easyer

searching a "anime computer avatar" with blue arms/legs
the avatar also had "sound bricks" that went up when you talked
https://imgur.com/b0cLetC

there we go

[covert blade]

• https://i.imgur.com/b0cLetC.png

[faint skiff]

Oh, sounds like Mettaton

[obtuse garnet]

whats that

[covert blade]

Undertale

[obtuse garnet]

ah yes

and no, its not him

[covert blade]

Hm

[obtuse garnet]

someone alraey helped me on steam

[languid beacon]

Probably mettaton yeah. Undertale character

[obtuse garnet]

no

or wait

no

[faint skiff]

So who was it?

[obtuse garnet]

????????????????

it was a random char prob

as I said, look at the imgur, thats how the skin looked like

or, the best I could do with my paint skills

[languid beacon]

Next time try hitting print screen on keyboard :p

[covert blade]

Or F12. Default Steam screenshot key I believe

[obtuse garnet]

bud, I didnt took an screen while I was ingame with that skin

thats whats making me so sad about it

now I cna just dream about how it looked like

[languid beacon]

It certainly looks

Dreamy

[vestal sleet]

Just use the in-game camera

[obtuse garnet]

but I dont have that skin anymore

[vestal sleet]

In game cam is cooler and more RP🤗

[faint skiff]

But you said someone on Steam already helped you?

[obtuse garnet]

I cant make an screen

the guy on steam gave me a wrong skin

[faint skiff]

Oh

[neon flume]

Awe how disappointing

[obtuse garnet]

damn

not gonna lie but that tilted me @neon flume

only giving you 1 star on uber

[neon flume]

Sorry if that came off as sarcastic, I wanted to see what it was.

[obtuse garnet]

here again:
searching an "anime computer avatar" with blue arms/legs
the avatar also had "sound bricks" that went up when you talked
https://imgur.com/b0cLetC

[covert blade]

Are ya just gonna ask that on repeat until you get an answer?

[obtuse garnet]

maybe

or

I'm crying in my bed that I lost that skin

[inner cape]

pepeHands

[covert blade]

Learn to let go of things :p Maybe you'll find it again, maybe you wont, maybe it was an avatar that wasn't even part of an avatar world, or maybe it was and the world no longer exists

[obtuse garnet]

it was 100%

[covert blade]

It was 100%?

[obtuse garnet]

it was 100% an avatar skin

you didnt had the option to copy

[covert blade]

Ohrly? It was an avatar you say?

[obtuse garnet]

world

[covert blade]

gg

[obtuse garnet]

on an avatar world**

[covert blade]

"You didnt had the option to copy" that's a user setting not a world setting

[obtuse garnet]

wasnt there an updated

where that came in?

[faint skiff]

So it definitely wasn't this? https://ytimg.googleusercontent.com/vi/3ac7cA7oLnE/mqdefault.jpg

[languid beacon]

Just because the person wearing it has copy off does not mean you can’t go get it yourself

You can inspect the author, and check their worlds

[obtuse garnet]

no it wasnt @faint skiff but that gets pretty close to it, not gonna lie

[covert blade]

Maybe it was based off of that

[obtuse garnet]

as I said, I think you didnt even had the option to copy skins from anyone, you also didnt had the option to fav skins/worlds

[languid beacon]

It is most likely a fan-made spin on Mettaton. A version 1 and 2 hybrid

[obtuse garnet]

well, unlucky... seems like I'm going through every world and hoping to find the love of my life again

[neon flume]

Remember to take screenshots next time, I try to screenshot any world or avatar I like just in case I want to find it again.

[covert blade]

Oh the pepe thing was already removed

[umbral reef]

I really expect you to have a photo of me now ctrl 😏

[neon flume]

😘

I actually do take screenshots of people whenever I make friends. It's nice to be able to go back and see when and where I first met somebody.

[obtuse garnet]

damn

not gonan lie, but thats creepy

[desert stratus]

@obtuse garnet dunno where the avatar is, but the desc of the character sounds familiar. lemme find a pic and tell me if this is what the avi looked like, i know a world where you can get her if so

[obtuse garnet]

wow, ok @desert stratus

I wish you luck

[faint skiff]

Her? Curiouser and curiouser.

[umbral reef]

That actually cute ctrl

[obtuse garnet]

????

[faint skiff]

@neon flume Virtual scrapbooking? 😃

[desert stratus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/577999283916111885/603677391650422832/Ene_clearfile_nobg.png

this her?

[neon flume]

My favourite thing is finding people I'm close with now in the background of old screenshots, it's like little glimpses of our lives before we met.

[obtuse garnet]

nope. thats not it 😦

[desert stratus]

ooferonies

well if it isnt miku or ene then idk what to tell y

[obtuse garnet]

it looks like this https://imgur.com/b0cLetC

based of my great paint painting

[faint skiff]

Haha. That fucking picture. I'm going to see that in my dreams now, I hope you know that...

[obtuse garnet]

I got even more paint paintings

[inner cape]

when I had a gesture where I could take my glasses into my hand, I'd put them on people and take pictures with them
I stated a collection of pics of people with my glasses
(that's to what shift said earlier)

[obtuse garnet]

you can get them all

[vocal shard]

does anybody have a fun world

[faint skiff]

My world is fun if you like chilling in a forest with soft ambience

[vocal shard]

what is it called?

i want to join it rn

[faint skiff]

Wild Greenhaven

[neon flume]

That's really cute ghosto, you could make a gif of all those photos

[inner cape]

a gif huh

[vocal shard]

joining the world

[inner cape]

never thought of that

[umbral reef]

Meanwhile i barely use the photo camera unless its to make a photo of some reallllly dumb stuff

[vocal shard]

also how do you make a world?

[inner cape]

that's a very vague question

[faint skiff]

Unity, to be just as vague 😛

I don't think I've ever used the ingame camera, I use Steam's screenshot function. Doesn't require any preparation.

[inner cape]

but that has wack quality

[covert blade]

The ingame camera has the benefit of outputting you a really quality screenshot

Also, selfies

[neon flume]

and alpha transparency!

[faint skiff]

True. Normally I've only used screenshots for reporting things or just a "hah, look at that" rather than anything serious. I leave that to the other person if the moment matters.

[covert blade]

But I use the Steam screenshot keybind most of the time too. It's faster

But if I don't want to have a screenshot that is strictly from my PoV I'll use the camera

[inner cape]

oculus screenshots actually have good quality, how come steam doesn't

[covert blade]

Steam probably just takes a screenshot of what's outputted to the headset

[neon flume]

steam vr is a little lacking in general compared to the oculus stuff 😅

[covert blade]

And not a 1080p+ screenshot from your monitor

[neon flume]

I miss the desktop windows on oculus so much, ovr toolkit comes closest but that's third party

[covert blade]

U sure? Last time I checked, it was apparently not possible on Oculus to start and finish downloading a game without having to do something on your PC

Like you could start a download but then you'd have to click on something to finish it and you can't do that within VR. Or maybe they fixed it I dunno

[inner cape]

steamvr is only good for plugins n shiet, like input emulator, place space mover and etc
oculus is way cleaner and more handy when it comes to interface, vr desktop and vr keyboard are great examples

[faint skiff]

It's not even 1080p, it's a weird size and aspect

[neon flume]

Oh I'm not sure about the desktop client stuff, I just really like what they did with the oculus vr interface. It works really well. Being able to grab windows in space from a distance and adjust their size/position with the thumbstick is so intuitive

[faint skiff]

@inner cape Yeah... but Facebook...

[inner cape]

I didnt care about that really

[faint skiff]

People not caring is how we've ended up with several of the worst data breaches of all time and now one of the biggest privacy fines against a company in human history....

[inner cape]

🤷

[umbral reef]

Just watch 'The great hack' on netflix
What enverex just said is small and nothing really in the end

[inner cape]

I dont wanna get into the Facebook argument

oculus dash is superior no matter what

[obtuse garnet]

wiat

oculus is better then htc?

[inner cape]

that's not what I meant

[obtuse garnet]

but thats what I asked

[covert blade]

Personally the Oculus couldn't catch my interest when it was first announced while the Vive could, even though Oculus has room scale and stuff too. I dunno if something has changed from when Oculus first came out and now but uh, yeah that's how I have my Vive now. And because a friend of mine has it

[inner cape]

it's a useless argument for us as we already own what we own

[vocal shard]

[obtuse garnet]

?

if I own for example amd I can still say that nvidia is bettter

[covert blade]

The difference is that people who already own an expensive VR system are unlikely going to sell it

[umbral reef]

I prefer the software of SteamVr because of all the platform and third party options it gives.
Gotta give it to oculus that there tech is WAY better priced compared to vive

[vocal shard]

All the different headsets have something it does better than the other. So we can't really say "this is definitely better than that one"

It's best to try them out yourself and weigh the pros and cons

[umbral reef]

And as i judge the whole experience and after the first play time more. Vive is my go to thing.

[neon flume]

It's usually not as simple as one setup being better than another anyways. There's compromises and complications everywhere which make it hard to universally recommend any headset over another unless you know a lot about the needs of that person.

[inner cape]

if I sell my oculus I'd probably be able to afford an index, but I also want to upgrade my cpu 😔

[covert blade]

Sound like ya gotta save up for a lil while longer

I wanna upgrade my CPU too but I don't feel like swapping out the entire mainboard with a new one that supports the socket

[umbral reef]

Start selling feet pic ghosto
You can ask Mic for tips

[inner cape]

what the fuck

I'm not gonna sell anything of that sort ever

[umbral reef]

Its a joke and ask mic for the context

[inner cape]

I'm good

[umbral reef]

Welp time for me to be a cool boy within Vrchat again

[inner cape]

damn it