#vrchat-general-2 | VRChat | Page 842

inner cape Jul 1, 2019, 12:49 AM

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shush fpaul

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 12:49 AM

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I personally play on PC

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Well. 6 hours in and now it all feels a bit pointless.

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I'm going to get some sleep and think about it tomorrow.

devout sage Jul 1, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Anyone know what the vive panic mode is?

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Keeps saying I have pressed the safe mode buttons.

rain isle Jul 1, 2019, 1:10 AM

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person crashes me because he's angry i put my hand in front of his face
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block him after i rejoin on friend so that he doesn't have to see me, apparently he's mad i blocked him and crashes me again
can't win

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Just leave the world

rain isle Jul 1, 2019, 1:12 AM

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yeah friend and i left after that

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 1:12 AM

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@devout sage set safety settings to normal

rain isle Jul 1, 2019, 1:13 AM

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im just used to the lol XD meme kiddy crashers, first time running into a malicious one like that

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 1:13 AM

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You’ll never forget your first ;)

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 1:14 AM

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How do they crash you if they can't even see you in the world?

rain isle Jul 1, 2019, 1:14 AM

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id assume from the social list

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or maybe hacked clients let you see people who have you blocked or something

inner cape Jul 1, 2019, 1:15 AM

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using safety system 🗿

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yuck 🗿

tulip wave Jul 1, 2019, 3:18 AM

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im looking for friends, add me pls lol: Swurx

cinder wasp Jul 1, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Good day to all, how are you doing?

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 3:35 AM

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It’s night time

rigid crescent Jul 1, 2019, 3:37 AM

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dont need a hacked client ot see who has you blocked

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 3:38 AM

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What

rigid crescent Jul 1, 2019, 3:38 AM

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probably helps tho tanabae

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oh replying to a 2 hour old message apparently

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 3:38 AM

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You always do

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 4:38 AM

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Haven't been online for 2 days now

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been Playing Jak 3 on the PS2

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Then was Forced to Extract to PC when a 1 year old Destroyed my PS2

royal basin Jul 1, 2019, 4:53 AM

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i feel like people rely too much on dynamic bones to make their avatars feel good

rigid crescent Jul 1, 2019, 4:55 AM

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i mean, movement does help things look good lol

elder prism Jul 1, 2019, 5:23 AM

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hey wasssup!

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anyone wanna chill in vrchat? maybe dance at some clubs, play some music, karaoke even?

desert oasis Jul 1, 2019, 5:38 AM

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Wtf

lavish kraken Jul 1, 2019, 5:38 AM

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wtf what?

desert oasis Jul 1, 2019, 5:38 AM

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Nvm

languid igloo Jul 1, 2019, 5:47 AM

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My VRChat build and publish tab takes like 10 years to respond...

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I don't remember vrcsdk being this so slow

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Is there any way to speed up my unity lol

desert oasis Jul 1, 2019, 5:52 AM

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😂

old arch Jul 1, 2019, 6:13 AM

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hi

stray temple Jul 1, 2019, 6:32 AM

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@languid igloo How about future proof on login window? Need to be uncheck to speed up.

languid igloo Jul 1, 2019, 6:33 AM

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its unchecked 😦

meager crescent Jul 1, 2019, 6:45 AM

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Just uncheck.. ull make new avatars anyways

stray temple Jul 1, 2019, 7:00 AM

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yeah, unless machine got issue, project may broken.

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or unity itself

tepid quartz Jul 1, 2019, 7:14 AM

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any one else having excessive vrchat crashes recently?

meager solstice Jul 1, 2019, 7:23 AM

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i havent had any problems

mortal inlet Jul 1, 2019, 7:27 AM

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i heard rumours that people are dropping portals that can get your login info? Is it just bs like the public avatars that supposedly did the same

rigid crescent Jul 1, 2019, 7:31 AM

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yep, exactly what it is

languid fractal Jul 1, 2019, 9:04 AM

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why would someone even steal a vrchat account

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maybe im stupid or something but are vrchat accounts even worth anything

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 9:16 AM

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@tepid quartz I've been getting crashed out exponentially more often lately, I guess just more trolls?

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Even more annoying in VR when you're waiting around for everything to reload.

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 9:34 AM

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^ people with clients can indeed see users they are blocked by

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been crashed by a few i blocked

rigid crescent Jul 1, 2019, 9:35 AM

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you dont need a client to do that tho

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 9:36 AM

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That's a really blatant oversight. That data shouldn't be getting sent to the client in the first place...

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 9:37 AM

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@rigid crescent Dont share secret ninjutsu techniques wtf

rigid crescent Jul 1, 2019, 9:38 AM

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Its in the API tho :3

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 9:44 AM

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@languid fractal either "dominance assertion" (lame) or because they want that acc's avatars, which often aren't all that great

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only reasons i could thik of

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and yes, i list the first one as a reason because most of the people who use clients and what not tend to genuinely be like that

mortal inlet Jul 1, 2019, 9:45 AM

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All these things are just the devs messing up, people normally dont have access to stuff like this in other games

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 9:46 AM

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not particularly. there's always going to be some amount of risk to losing your acc or avatars no matter how secure this game becomes, same goes for any multiplayer game or service

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2fa is a yuuge step forward as well as whatever else has been going on under the hood for security this year, but your ip and avatar IDs are always going to be vulnerable

mortal inlet Jul 1, 2019, 9:47 AM

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Yea but thats not due to the api and coding being bad, thats due to phishing and what not

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 9:47 AM

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also i think stuff like ripping is just disproportionately common in this community

mortal inlet Jul 1, 2019, 9:48 AM

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The fact that theres still shader crashers lol

tranquil cobalt Jul 1, 2019, 9:48 AM

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I don't think anyone has access to your credentials unless you give it to them (a la phishing)

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 9:48 AM

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phishing is mainly on the user tho

mortal inlet Jul 1, 2019, 9:48 AM

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Yea im just talking about the crashing

tranquil cobalt Jul 1, 2019, 9:48 AM

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exactly!

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 9:48 AM

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I mean you cant stop shader crashers

tranquil cobalt Jul 1, 2019, 9:49 AM

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Any other leak and VRChat would have to disclose that, etc.

mortal inlet Jul 1, 2019, 9:49 AM

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Yea but now theres these people that bypass it and just crashes your game instantly

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Also these disconnecters

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 9:49 AM

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Thats not new

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 9:49 AM

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if ur acc gets stolen cuz you decided to use the very poor gang's!1!11!! modded sdk, well, get bent :p

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 9:49 AM

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thats been an issues back in jan 2018 too

mortal inlet Jul 1, 2019, 9:49 AM

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I know but its still dumb they havent fixed it

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 9:50 AM

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Because its not easy to fix, shader crashers are not fixable, and networking is actively worked on at the moment

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What a lot of people keep forgetting is the game is early access, things change up a lot and some things are just not being changed as the whole system might be being reworked

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We didnt get an sdk update until unity 2017 update and the old sdk was bugged as fuck

mortal inlet Jul 1, 2019, 9:51 AM

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How is the shader crashes not fixable?

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 9:51 AM

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Because shader code gets compiled on avatar upload

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you dont have the "raw" shader on your avatar in the game

mortal inlet Jul 1, 2019, 9:51 AM

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ah

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 9:51 AM

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Also anyone can write a shader so you cant just analyze it and block things.

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 9:51 AM

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and it's pretty hard to monitor that kind of thing anyway, especially when you want to give your playerbase the most creative freedom

mortal inlet Jul 1, 2019, 9:52 AM

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What about the crash where it just gives you a unity error

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Tesellation, which most people use for crashes, is a normal technique and is used in a lot of displacement shaders.

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 9:52 AM

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especially when you let them use a very powerful game engine to upload content

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 9:52 AM

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^

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The safety feature literally removes shader crashing tho if u use them correctly

mortal inlet Jul 1, 2019, 9:53 AM

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Yea i do but ive been crashed by other people where i just get some unity error

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And disconnected by people

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 9:53 AM

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Yeah theres a lot of exploits in the game still sadly.

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The disconnect is a network issues because of the system they use called photon.

mortal inlet Jul 1, 2019, 9:53 AM

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Ah

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 9:53 AM

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As i said, things are being worked on, game is in active development by a small team.

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People keep forgetting its not a triple a studio

mortal inlet Jul 1, 2019, 9:53 AM

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I heard its only for steam vr users, because my friend on oculus wouldnt get disconnected at all

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 9:54 AM

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Not true.

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Its a thing in the whole game.

mortal inlet Jul 1, 2019, 9:54 AM

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ah alright

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well i just hope it gets fixed at some point

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 9:54 AM

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one thing that will likely never go away is IP based crashes unless they make your IP really hard to obtain, which doesnt change the fact that 1 - its still going to be loaded on other people's PCs and 2 - security is really hard, including obscuring someone's IP

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 9:55 AM

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I mean obscuring ip's wouldnt be as hard if they didnt use some weird peer 2 peer master and slave system for lobbies

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But its impossible to host that on the money they have.

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esp since game is free and has no income apart from funding

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 9:55 AM

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hopefully one major fix should get rid of 99% of exploiters real quick, i doubt most would put in the time and effort to make clients that try to bypass proper security systems

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 9:55 AM

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Yeah thats the thing too, changing up code helps a lot cause people are gonna get tired eventually

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 9:55 AM

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and it would make it easier to single out and ban anyone who actually wants to try that

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 9:56 AM

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of rewriting their clients

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 9:56 AM

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as of rn there's not much of an incentive to make clients other than to annoy people and steal accs with "good" (read: tatoo fox girl #42) avatars

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 9:57 AM

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Yeah i dont really care if someone yoinks my avatar cause i mostly use it around my friends anyway

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so me running into whoever stole it is unlikely

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 9:58 AM

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anyone trying to make a client to get pass proper security systems when they come would have to be someone trying to obtain actual quality work by professional 3d modelers, and doing something like that is already a hefty amount of learning and creation

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im not popular enough for people to steal my avatars

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my style is convenienly quiet and muted unlike the live dubstep-intro lightshows some people walk around with

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 9:58 AM

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Im not anymore either thankfully

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taking a big break from game and people forgetting u is big nice

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 9:58 AM

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doubt anyone would want my cute af egirl avi

mortal inlet Jul 1, 2019, 9:59 AM

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i just use public avatars because of that lol

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 9:59 AM

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except for like, my ex

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but we dont talk about that part

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i feel like a lot of the reasons why trendy shit like that spreads too is also just because of a disproportion between the perceived difficulty of creating an avatar and the patience / confidence of the user

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:04 AM

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Yeah

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you can learn the basics in literally 2 days.

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:04 AM

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id never charge more than $30 or even $25 for throwing together some parts someone found and making a complete avatar with visemes, gestures, pretty shaders, and yet i see edits (not even complete kitbashes) going around for $40 base.

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there's a large number of people who think that most VRC avatar work is a very daunting and commitment - based task, and a similarly large number of people who then find easy peasy alternatives such as complete unity packages from the forbidden website or other unscrupulous sources and then go from there

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 10:06 AM

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How hard is it to change/modify things like clothes on avatars? (assuming I already have a working base in Blender)

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:06 AM

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It depends on the clothing, but basic mesh editing and weight painting is not too hard.

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Look up a tutorial for proportional editing @faint skiff

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:06 AM

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if you have just the base, adding all of the parts usually takes 5-10min, and maybe an extra 10 to iron out any kinks

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:06 AM

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Eh, weight painting can take a good while

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:06 AM

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sometimes you get lucky and automat8c weights are good eno ug h tho

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:07 AM

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But im a perfectionist when it comes to my models so dont ask me, i texture my shit for like 4 hours too.

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 10:07 AM

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@desert stratus I wouldn't really say that. It took me about 6 hours to add a tail and horns to an avatar last night, having not used Blender or Unity before.

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:07 AM

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Or 40 on my OC

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 10:07 AM

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It's massively daunting.

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:07 AM

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like sai said, it comes down to how nice the meshes are with each other

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:07 AM

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It mostly comes down to practice in the first place.

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 10:07 AM

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It didn't help that atlasing ruined the textures every time I did it.

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They'd all change colour when I atlased them.

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:08 AM

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sounds like your diffuse colors werent set to white

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on another note I can mash together a model in 20 minutes, but i prefer taking my time, doing perfect weight painting and adding lots of small details along the way, optimizing every part of it, custom shape keys and co @desert stratus

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 10:09 AM

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That's exactly what it was. But as I'd never used it before, I had no idea that was a thing, thus it added a lot more time onto the process to figure out why it was happening (or even where).

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:09 AM

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fair. honestly, id go as far as to say that its pretty fair to spend 6 hours on light kitbashing as your first experience with modeling

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:10 AM

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I mean, if you have issues you can always ping me in the avatar channel, ive been making them since 2017 so ive run into most common issues and some rare stuff too. @faint skiff

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The only reason im in here is for helping people to be fair at this point LOL

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 10:10 AM

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@glossy wharf I was in that channel the entire time I was trying to work on everything. No-one chimed in at any point despite several questions.

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:11 AM

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I check in when i get pinged.

spark fox Jul 1, 2019, 10:11 AM

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Yus i got past visitor in 2 to 3 days

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 10:11 AM

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I kinda gave up and powered through by just checking every tab of every section for "green things" lol

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:11 AM

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There we go.

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now people might know.

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 10:12 AM

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No-one would ever see your name. It's lost in the list of 17000 other people.

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:12 AM

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i know, but when people see me talk here they might 😛

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 10:12 AM

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Unless you're already active, but then you'd see it anyway as you're already active. Catch 22 😉

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:12 AM

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I try to not get too overspammed with it.

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I used to be very active in here, got like 25k or so messages.

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:13 AM

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my main gripe is that i feel like you could get someone to make an mmd kitbash with no prior experience in unity or blender, in say about 5 hours. including the actual learning part. issue is that obv no single, linear guide could hope to be as comprehensive and account for every possible error either on the software, model, or the user and still remain compact

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 10:14 AM

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@desert stratus That's basically what I did. The downside is the unpredictability of kitbashing though (which is how I ended up with that green issue).

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:14 AM

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in fact, its gotten to the point where i might just start charging a low amt to do one-on-one teaching sessions for anyone who wants to do avatar creation. maybe a bit down the line but my skills are almost there where i can feel like i can do it

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:14 AM

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Your best friend in making avatars is google.

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 10:14 AM

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But now I've run into the sad fact (which I only realised after uploading) was that you have to pay for dynamic bones, which feels like a kick in the teeth after expending all that effort.

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:15 AM

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Yea

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:15 AM

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pay the same amount of money you would for a small avatar edit and hopefully i could leave someone with skills to make good avatars over and over, or at least whatever's possible without sculpting

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a lot of people should start doing that tbh

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best way to teach good practice and gett people smoothly into the swing of things is to be right there to guide them

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then we'd end up with a lot more avatar creators, a lot of quality avatars, and less scams. hopefully.

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 10:17 AM

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It's not that it's expensive, it's more that A) my avatar is going to suck anyway because I don't really know what I'm doing and B) it's taken me a long time. So I'm basically paying to have a terrible avatar, lol.

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But I guess in the long run it may be worth it to have a unique avatar. But I'm going to look like a super scrub for some time.

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:19 AM

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real gray robot hours <@/

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i think teaching people how to make avatars personally can work out a lot better

umbral reef Jul 1, 2019, 10:22 AM

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@faint skiff the more you try it and learn the faster and better looking it becomes
You also can not paint like the best in the world instantly, you gotta practice

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:22 AM

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unless youre sculpting, for the most part (the most part being kitbashing) is editing a lot of data and getting a bit clever and creative with it. the challenge is knowing what to edit, what you're allowed to do, and how it all fits together towards an end product

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:23 AM

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@glossy wharf

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:23 AM

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avatar creation IMO can really only be compared to painting when you get into thhe meat of sculpting and actually making your own textures, because at that point you are no longer just an avatar creator as much as you are a full blown 3d artist, where all of your skills have an intimate relationship with the tools you use, much like an artist's hand with their brush

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:23 AM

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@vocal shard shush

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:23 AM

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whats going on

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:24 AM

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Nothing, am bored

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:24 AM

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I thought you quit

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:24 AM

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Here?

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:24 AM

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if i absolutrly had to liken the difficulties and overall feel of avatar creation for the average vrc user, id liken it more to programming

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:24 AM

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No i got banned from the discord a while back cause me and aev had a lil discussion going on

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but i reformed so its good.

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 10:24 AM

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Sounds like web development where you try one thing and inevitably end up a full-stack developer...

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:25 AM

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where the end product is a compilation of edited tools and libraries with your own tidbits thrown inbetween hacked together with basic components

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:26 AM

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just make VRCHAT 2 from the ground up to run alongside the existing platform and then convert over when ready

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come on 4heads

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instead of trying to fix a broken platform make a fresh version while running the existing one

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:27 AM

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its a lot more geared towards being "book smart" and just understanding the components and constraints, rather than how to make those components

umbral reef Jul 1, 2019, 10:27 AM

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While they are at it, they can make a full new Engine for the game

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Because who wants to use unity or unreal

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:28 AM

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its because the foundation for the existing platform is broken and unsecure so they cant do anything about it...

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:28 AM

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~~vrc source~~

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:29 AM

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so the best decision is to just build a vrchat 2.0 from fresh while running the existing broken platform and then release that when ready

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no ones ever come up with that idea im the first

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200 iq btw

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:31 AM

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@faint skiff since it sounds like you're starting out with avatar creation, would you be interested in doing a little test run of my "avatar creation class" with me? obv not rn and prob even not until maybe friday, and im not even going to charge since i need to practice becoming a good instructor first. obv id actually try to teach you as best as i possibly can tho

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:32 AM

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I remember the days of teaching people how to avatar, good times

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:32 AM

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ikr @glossy wharf

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:32 AM

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i can do most of the things people would ever need to learn to upload most nifty avatars, as in i can do everything except long keyframing and actual sculpting

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:32 AM

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I remember the days when cats wasnt a thing and me and anubis figured out manual atlasing without texture baking FeelsGoodMan

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 10:33 AM

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@desert stratus Sure. I'm on UK timezones though and I'm often not around Fridays UK evening time as it's one of the rare times I get to see my "exist in real life" friends 😛

umbral reef Jul 1, 2019, 10:33 AM

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I recall the support being actual support for complex problems and not just the same 5 problems every day

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:33 AM

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weightpainting is still a bit iffy for me, but since i mostly do kitbashes i know just enough to deal with weird ass mmd parts

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:33 AM

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I recall the support channel being moved and renamed every 2 days @umbral reef

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:33 AM

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thats convenient since im usually avaliable during the early parts of the day, US east here ^ ^`

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:33 AM

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i hate weightpainting

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:33 AM

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Weight painting is ez 4heaaaad

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:34 AM

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not when the legs are messed up

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:34 AM

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its easy

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:34 AM

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i hate trying to fix scuffed leg weights

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i just remove the weightpainting and attempt to gradient it and then mirror

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:34 AM

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weightpainting something from scratch i usually find easier than messing with existing weights

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:34 AM

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Gradient ew

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:34 AM

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the infinite pain comes from shitty meshes and mesh interactions

umbral reef Jul 1, 2019, 10:34 AM

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i recall public lobby being an actual usefull channel and not just a second random chat
And the introduction channel :c

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:34 AM

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Kuro i mastered weight painting when i had to weight paint some shitty tera armor manually monkaS

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:35 AM

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the introduction channel was removed because people used it for dating xd

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:35 AM

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is it bad that my main motivation for learning sculpting is so i dont have to deal with god awful meshes? lmao

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:35 AM

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why would you learn sculpting for that

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:35 AM

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thats not my main reason to lesrn it and my main motivation

umbral reef Jul 1, 2019, 10:35 AM

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MMore the fact they used the same unoriginal, non explaining who they are copy pasta kuro

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:35 AM

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in blender you can just straight up make a mesh without sculpting and retopo, esp on how basic anime models are.

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:35 AM

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but it is something i think about a lot when im actually working on an avatar

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:36 AM

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fixing broken uv maps

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because of bad meshes

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:36 AM

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i mean i can but i feel like i might end up sculpting anyway

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:36 AM

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If you actually sculpt, have fun with retopology

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:36 AM

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i like getting artistic up in this bishish

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:36 AM

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im going to sculpt from scratch eventually

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:36 AM

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then again for the most part i am gonna be making animu so you do have a point

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:37 AM

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well i started building a world from scratch in blender

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:37 AM

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obv im gonna start off with blocking out meshes in blender

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:37 AM

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worlds and avatars are

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:37 AM

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worlds is easier

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:37 AM

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2 different things

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entirely different

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:37 AM

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main thing about making a world is that you dont have to worry about proportions as much

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its just as bob ross said, you just have som pretty little accidents and all of a sudden you've got a nice mountain top for you to place a cute cabin with some green avatar pedestals inside against a cozy fire

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making a humanrequires some knowl3dge. like anatomy.

tranquil cobalt Jul 1, 2019, 10:38 AM

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I wouldn't say easier, but it is a different pipeline. (Assuming you're actually authoring all the assets for your world, etc)

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:39 AM

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and fucking up even slightly makes me sshit on myself harder than a 300lb horse

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 10:39 AM

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Oh, what scale is Unity in anyway? Why did I have to set my avatar to be "0.07" height? 0.07 what? There's no units of measure anywhere, lol.

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:39 AM

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its easier to make seperate fiiles

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:39 AM

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because thats a lot more noticeable and critical

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meters

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:39 AM

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create your furniture in seperate files

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then throw them in after youre done

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unity is all metric

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1.0 is 1 metre

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a cube is 1 meter

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 10:40 AM

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Hmm, I'm definitely not 0.07 metres tall though...

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:40 AM

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@faint skiff if you spawn in a normal cube in the world its 1m^3, but i personally reccomend rescaling it to either your actual height or 5' since most VRC avatars are that tall

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:40 AM

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yeah but your avatar was a huge scale so you had to scale it down.

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:40 AM

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then eyeball how tall you want any new avatars from there

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:40 AM

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the scale is based on the mesh you scale.

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dont make it your actual height

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:41 AM

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you can make a cube and scale it to your irl height then throw your avatar in the scene

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:41 AM

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my 1.85m avatar is huge LOL

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:41 AM

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yea

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:41 AM

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take real height and remove like 20-30 cm

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:41 AM

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basketball player

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:41 AM

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yeah tbh lol

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:41 AM

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my female model i leave default scale... my male avatar i scale to irl

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:41 AM

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But it fits my oc so im not changing it

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 10:41 AM

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i tried my actual height (5'6") and was surprised to see that I towered over most

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resized future egirl to 4'10"

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yeah. but hey, i like being smol ubu

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:43 AM

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i like being tall

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Youre laughing but i do that a lot

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 10:47 AM

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Really? I scaled mine to my actual height, imported it and it looked about the height I'd expect when I checked it in a mirror in game.

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The visual alignment was off though, it was like the camera was floating 20cm to the right.

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 10:48 AM

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yes if you scale it correctly it should be correct

glossy wharf Jul 1, 2019, 10:50 AM

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the sky

tranquil cobalt Jul 1, 2019, 10:50 AM

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got em

umbral reef Jul 1, 2019, 10:52 AM

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The virtual sky

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 11:46 AM

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Hey kid, I know you're struggling right now but I'm here to tell you, everything gets worse forever.

desert stratus Jul 1, 2019, 12:37 PM

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sometimes thats how it seems

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but not it be... <@/

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so uh i didnt sleep. time to crunch out 4 avatars today ubu

sharp saddle Jul 1, 2019, 12:45 PM

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Why does VRC keep timing out?

royal basin Jul 1, 2019, 1:03 PM

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wait so its not just me

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or maybe it's just me because it keeps timing out only after login

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everyone else that's already online is reporting no problems

lunar shell Jul 1, 2019, 2:20 PM

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We really need a finger tracking channel like we have a full body tracking channel.

languid beacon Jul 1, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Yeah it would be appreciated

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The muscle range sliders in unity confound me and I don’t understand what sliders/ranges Index uses or if they can be changed

lunar shell Jul 1, 2019, 2:43 PM

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My thumb isn't working well and I don't know how what length the bones should be other than shorter.

languid beacon Jul 1, 2019, 3:01 PM

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I would instead mess with the muscle range config in unity rather than change the model

lunar shell Jul 1, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Oh now I see. Thanks.

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That's my issue. My thumb won't extend up.

languid beacon Jul 1, 2019, 3:07 PM

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I believe index only uses the stretch sliders, does not touch the spread ones (I wish it spread a little as they stretch) it will slide all 3 bones in a finger in unison along their set ranges

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I do find the muscular sliders in Unity to be a bit buggy, particular involving undoing changes to the sliders visually seems to undo the slider but the new values stay, so be careful about saving changes

lunar shell Jul 1, 2019, 3:14 PM

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I moved the sliders to test the thumb but it looks good and didn't really do much. Where is the muscle range config?

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Got it. Just blind.

languid beacon Jul 1, 2019, 3:22 PM

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The left column of sliders are what Index manipulates, the subset range on the right column is that the left column sliders (and thus the index) draws From. To change the actual curl direction, rotate the bone itself in bone config

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Confusing setup but there’s lots of control

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The ones marked spread (which is like half of them) don’t appear to be used, at least the moment

lunar shell Jul 1, 2019, 3:26 PM

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The range looks good in Unity, but doesn't match in vrchat. I can not extend my thumb up all the way.

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Unless I'm supposed to exaggerate.

languid beacon Jul 1, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Yeah I’m not 100% sure how the Index uses the ranges it’s not exact and there’s no documentation yet

lunar shell Jul 1, 2019, 3:28 PM

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I'll double the stretched values and see what happens. I can always go back.

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Huhm. That seemed to work.

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Thunbs up is better now.

desert quartz Jul 1, 2019, 5:51 PM

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hey

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Hi

novel fog Jul 1, 2019, 6:46 PM

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what is a normal cpu when you play vrchat?

lost cobalt Jul 1, 2019, 6:47 PM

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@novel fog Well i am using a Ryzen 5 2600x and that is running fine

novel fog Jul 1, 2019, 6:48 PM

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casue now my cpu is on 60-80%, and it seems like a high number, am i right?

lost cobalt Jul 1, 2019, 6:49 PM

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well my old FX-6300 maxed out just on basics settings xD so i upgraded to a ryzen 5 and now i have roughly 40 - 60% during heavy load

novel fog Jul 1, 2019, 6:49 PM

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ok, thx!

lost cobalt Jul 1, 2019, 6:50 PM

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well lets just say when i got my Ryzen 5, my GPU were maxing out before my CPU even got close

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so now i upgraded my GPU, now to see what happens 🤔

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 7:02 PM

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been working 12+ hours last night on this new world of mine, would it be okay to post the final rendered video I took of it here?

vernal forge Jul 1, 2019, 7:03 PM

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vrchat-videos probably

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that is pretty cool looking

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isnt that the maze world ?

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not impossible but highly improbable or something like that

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 7:09 PM

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yeah!

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i changed up the skybox and added the tower and lightning effects this morning

vernal forge Jul 1, 2019, 7:11 PM

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VRC_Like

novel fog Jul 1, 2019, 7:20 PM

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@vocal shard i just checked out your video, it looks lit af, did you make everything yourself?

leaden basalt Jul 1, 2019, 7:50 PM

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been playing for awhile now, but since i need to make a vrchat account to do the avatar making instead of using steam account to login, it set me back to square one on permissions. deep inhale REEEEEEE

hybrid fiber Jul 1, 2019, 7:50 PM

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Experimental is officially the worst piano layout in the world 😮

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Im gonna strangle whoever made it 😄

leaden basalt Jul 1, 2019, 7:57 PM

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"The source account is invalid for merging"

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not sure, nothing new came up

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nvm, just had to log out and log in again.

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 8:09 PM

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anyone know if full body works in pavlov lol

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 8:27 PM

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@novel fog thanks!! yeah, the labyrinth is a generated 2D image that I made 3D in blender, the tower is an asset I acquired, the skybox I exported from a location in SpaceEngine and the particles are textures I came across and I crafted the effects. stairs are probuilder and vrcsdk assets. everything is standard shader basically. reflection probes. and the platform at the start is a piece of jetdog's 360 video player prefab. ^_^ the animations are all me and the skycams use a standard unity asset lookat script which is sort of not necessary but it made aiming easier lol.

leaden basalt Jul 1, 2019, 8:39 PM

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finally made first avatar, woo

opaque hawk Jul 1, 2019, 8:40 PM

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👏 congrats from all of us deeper down the rabbit hole

languid beacon Jul 1, 2019, 8:41 PM

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I have a question I’m not sure anyone here has the capacity to answer: I’ve heard you can use an oculus quest in pitch dark if you have an IR light source in the room so the cameras are not blind.

My question is would currently-active lighthouse base stations adequately illuminate a room with IR light for quest insight tracking to work properly?

vocal shard Jul 1, 2019, 8:43 PM

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I doubt it. Since lighthouse is just quick passes rather than full illumination. But that's just a blind guess. I have no idea for sure.

rough pulsar Jul 1, 2019, 8:44 PM

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I've looked at the lighthouses with a leap motion (IR Cameras) and while I could see the lighthouses with it, I couldn't see the room clearly with their light.

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So the answer is: not likely

glass valley Jul 1, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Hiya

woeful siren Jul 1, 2019, 9:11 PM

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not allowed

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you made this harder for me

mighty cradle Jul 1, 2019, 9:18 PM

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@languid beacon cameras pick up IR as white

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try IR light sources and monitor them with a recent camera from a phone

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then watch the illumination pattern

faint skiff Jul 1, 2019, 9:21 PM

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I thought they normally show as purple? Or a weird deep red.

languid beacon Jul 1, 2019, 9:21 PM

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My iPhone actually doesn’t show touch / lighthouse light

mighty cradle Jul 1, 2019, 9:22 PM

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VRC_Thinking

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try getting it closer

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i know some equipment works off suspiciously little IR light

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the wii tho is a fucking star in comparison

rough pulsar Jul 1, 2019, 9:26 PM

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I'd imagine a lot of modern phone camers have better IR filters than the older ones did.

mighty cradle Jul 1, 2019, 9:28 PM

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my xperia m4 picks them up

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i'm aware my dad's s7 does

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s9 probably as well

rough pulsar Jul 1, 2019, 9:29 PM

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The lighthouses? v1 or v2?

languid beacon Jul 1, 2019, 9:44 PM

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My PS4 eyetoy that I was using as a webcam picked up Wii’s sensor dots and dk2 dots

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Looked funny on vr streams

mighty cradle Jul 1, 2019, 9:45 PM

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"vrchat with the LAZER RIFT 3000"

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should've titled it that

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and slapped on some 80s stickers

unkempt cliff Jul 1, 2019, 10:52 PM

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I have a question, yesterday one of my worlds was published but today it turns out that it is still in Community Labs. I check the site and saw that it did get published yesterday, but it still has the beaker icon and a yellow border, representing the fact that it’s still labs. Why did this happen and how can I get my world published again?

boreal kelp Jul 1, 2019, 11:45 PM

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For the first time, VRChat put my avatar into the orange after I added something onto the model.
Normally it has given me a green circle because I had 5 materials but after adding sunglasses my avatar stats shot up to 9 materials.

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I'm down to 4 materials after combining stuff and got an 'excellent' rank. My question now is, in the long run is having "excellent" status important or can most people do just fine staying in 'good' status?

unkempt cliff Jul 1, 2019, 11:59 PM

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@vocal shard It's not that it was published to community labs, because there is another date when it was "Lab'd" which was quite a while ago. Yesterday it says my world was Published, and when i saw it yesterday, there was no Lab icon, but today there was a lab icon, despite being published yesterday.

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Oof

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My avatars are all red or red !

covert linden Jul 2, 2019, 12:29 AM

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@vocal shard the simpson? Clear cache

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 12:30 AM

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I think he meant poor or very poor

covert linden Jul 2, 2019, 12:30 AM

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Oh oops

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 12:30 AM

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really dude

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kuro you've been here as long as me and you still are shit at optimizing

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aevSip

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 12:31 AM

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No bulli

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 12:31 AM

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yes bully

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 12:32 AM

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That’s what I like to hear

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 12:32 AM

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contradicting yourself there

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 12:32 AM

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Not if you read bully as my name

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 12:33 AM

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huh

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oh ffs

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 12:34 AM

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Lul

lofty ridge Jul 2, 2019, 12:37 AM

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thankyou to all the people who helped me pick our a Vr headset here

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ive decided to go with the HTC vive, im very excited

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 12:37 AM

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Good choice

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 12:37 AM

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nice

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a lot of people getting vr this summer

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what's going on

finite kraken Jul 2, 2019, 12:44 AM

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VRchat is Bangkok!!!!

lofty ridge Jul 2, 2019, 12:45 AM

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does anyone know how to deal with not being able to connect into large lobbies btw?

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it always disconnects me i have to try like 2-3 times to get into anywhere on vr chat

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it runs fine on its own, its just connecting

finite kraken Jul 2, 2019, 12:45 AM

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I love how you guys said vive and not oculus... I use vive but I see a lot of folks saying oculus

lofty ridge Jul 2, 2019, 12:45 AM

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ah well i chose vive because i can upgrade it later in the future

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and i love to dance

finite kraken Jul 2, 2019, 12:46 AM

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I get vive because the more it cost the better quality it is

vestal pier Jul 2, 2019, 12:47 AM

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Just like apple products 😉

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 12:47 AM

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that's

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I'm not gonna comment on that..

ruby needle Jul 2, 2019, 12:47 AM

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but you allready did

lunar shell Jul 2, 2019, 12:48 AM

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I like my Vive for the wireless. Yeah it's low on resolution but ss at 3.0 helps greatly.

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 12:49 AM

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AppleVR when?

manic elbow Jul 2, 2019, 12:49 AM

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I'm just gonna play on desktop like the pleb I am

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 12:50 AM

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The year is 2021 and Apple has bought out VRChat, everyone's avatar is now a memoji.

manic elbow Jul 2, 2019, 12:51 AM

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noooooo

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~~where can I get a templar avatar btw?~~

obsidian herald Jul 2, 2019, 12:55 AM

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AppleVR System
$20,000.00
I can see that happening

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And they want $6,000.00 for the Mac Pro

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 12:56 AM

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fpaul is a smartass

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that's all I have to say aevSip

wispy gulch Jul 2, 2019, 12:57 AM

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well, i just got a rift-s for the laptop, and just finished playing gorn for an hour? love itl

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i've have gotten vive except for ONE small detail 😄 well, two 😃

meager solstice Jul 2, 2019, 12:59 AM

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?

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That is?

wispy gulch Jul 2, 2019, 1:00 AM

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already have the quest, like insight... but really, having already about $80-90 in quest apps? MOST of them also run on the Rift-S (buy once)

meager solstice Jul 2, 2019, 1:03 AM

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I guess that makes sense

wispy gulch Jul 2, 2019, 1:04 AM

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i'll hold out and see what the Cosmos brings

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vrCook

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 1:04 AM

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shit it didn't embed lets try that again

meager solstice Jul 2, 2019, 1:04 AM

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Wait can’t u just get revive and play oculus games on the htc vive?

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 1:04 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/Pi62cRl.jpg

wispy gulch Jul 2, 2019, 1:05 AM

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perhaps later, sure.

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 1:05 AM

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Oh, I suppose links don't embed ಠ_ಠ

indigo fern Jul 2, 2019, 1:14 AM

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not here

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in random chat it does

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 1:43 AM

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lol

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 1:52 AM

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ah damn, good looks. time to troll random with a theoretical VRChat Apple buy-out

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 2:54 AM

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Restart your router

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Use a vpn

vast tulip Jul 2, 2019, 2:56 AM

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best thing to do is send any information you have on this to moderation@vrchat.com

compact river Jul 2, 2019, 2:59 AM

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restart game yet?

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 3:10 AM

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One message removed from a suspended account.

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One message removed from a suspended account.

slate verge Jul 2, 2019, 3:10 AM

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i still see traps they're cute

queen mango Jul 2, 2019, 3:10 AM

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GWnonAiSmug

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May I entertain you with that? I know a few.

slate verge Jul 2, 2019, 3:10 AM

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in fact there is one in the stream i am watching right now

night lava Jul 2, 2019, 3:13 AM

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theres a thousand traps still, yea

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i think the line between a guy playing a girl ava and guy purposely pretending to act like a girl got more blurred

wispy gulch Jul 2, 2019, 3:14 AM

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is it blue?

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it's a tarp

night lava Jul 2, 2019, 3:14 AM

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fair point

wispy gulch Jul 2, 2019, 3:15 AM

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i suspect many of would be perfectly comfortable as were beasties... none of that angst like in books

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"oh noes, i'm in this sleek fluffy body, what will i do? SQUIRREL"

night lava Jul 2, 2019, 3:16 AM

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nani

compact river Jul 2, 2019, 3:17 AM

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wat

night lava Jul 2, 2019, 3:17 AM

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i want what hes having

wispy gulch Jul 2, 2019, 3:22 AM

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fresh squirrel?

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yum

slate verge Jul 2, 2019, 3:24 AM

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if anything i see a majority of furries

night lava Jul 2, 2019, 3:25 AM

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also fair, its easier to discern someone actively being a furry than being a trap

slate verge Jul 2, 2019, 3:25 AM

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regardless all of them are cute

manic elbow Jul 2, 2019, 3:26 AM

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I'm no furry

slate verge Jul 2, 2019, 3:26 AM

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embrace

manic elbow Jul 2, 2019, 3:27 AM

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I'm a scalie

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there's a difference

slate verge Jul 2, 2019, 3:28 AM

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VRC_Thinking

night lava Jul 2, 2019, 3:29 AM

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different strokes

lavish kraken Jul 2, 2019, 3:29 AM

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For different folks

manic elbow Jul 2, 2019, 3:29 AM

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I just like dragons and heavy armor

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:C

night lava Jul 2, 2019, 3:30 AM

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im a sloot for armor

manic elbow Jul 2, 2019, 3:30 AM

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^

wispy gulch Jul 2, 2019, 3:30 AM

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i'm a member of the axis and neuron parasitic union 😄 all flesh is a delight. cough. i mean, yeet?

lavish kraken Jul 2, 2019, 3:31 AM

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I have armor, but I want food.

night lava Jul 2, 2019, 3:31 AM

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if anyone manages to find claw weapons or fist weapons, hit me the f up p l s

wispy gulch Jul 2, 2019, 3:31 AM

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i'm slowly recovering from a lovely beat saber sesh with some nifty cider, made from the crush fermented fruits of our enemies

night lava Jul 2, 2019, 3:31 AM

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i need more

manic elbow Jul 2, 2019, 3:33 AM

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oh

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and I love demons I guess

night lava Jul 2, 2019, 3:33 AM

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man of culture

slate verge Jul 2, 2019, 3:34 AM

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it should

wispy gulch Jul 2, 2019, 3:37 AM

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why did you put your bank account information into your vrchat account?

slate verge Jul 2, 2019, 3:51 AM

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sounds to me like you've been hacked or something, vrchat couldn't possibly be the culprit

covert linden Jul 2, 2019, 4:15 AM

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@gaunt pine stop fear monging that isnt possible.

rigid crescent Jul 2, 2019, 4:19 AM

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block, <@&397642795457970181> , and move on. all you can do

covert linden Jul 2, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Power

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 4:29 AM

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Jake Paul has been banned

obsidian herald Jul 2, 2019, 4:30 AM

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I've ended up in the Error World.

manic elbow Jul 2, 2019, 4:31 AM

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What's that?

idle hull Jul 2, 2019, 4:43 AM

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hello, I just downloaded vrchat and the mic is mute

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has anyone have this issue?

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had*

rigid crescent Jul 2, 2019, 4:44 AM

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go into the settings and unmute it?

idle hull Jul 2, 2019, 4:44 AM

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I updated the audio driver just in case

obsidian herald Jul 2, 2019, 4:44 AM

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Check your audio settings

idle hull Jul 2, 2019, 4:44 AM

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is your computer plugged in?

latent surge Jul 2, 2019, 4:53 AM

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@idle hull reset your headset. It happens sometimes if exiting the app don’t work.

idle hull Jul 2, 2019, 4:59 AM

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thank you

wispy gulch Jul 2, 2019, 5:15 AM

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vrChat would seem to be an interesting way to connect people wishing to learn, or practice language?

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 5:16 AM

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Lol what happened

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Protip dont open unity packages without unchecking everything first

rancid vessel Jul 2, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Ugh.. What's with VRChat? This is like the 2nd time today where the audio from others will randomly start going in and out and stopped altogether until i reload the world..

obsidian herald Jul 2, 2019, 5:46 AM

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I've ended up in the Error World twice.

torn nebula Jul 2, 2019, 5:51 AM

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@rancid vessel they redid the audio system in the beta so hopefully it'll be better after the next release?

storm iris Jul 2, 2019, 6:37 AM

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I cant join any servers with people in them

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this is sad 😦

hot raptor Jul 2, 2019, 6:48 AM

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Oof

brisk plover Jul 2, 2019, 7:24 AM

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matsix

shell canyon Jul 2, 2019, 7:47 AM

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https://www.linkedin.com/company/vrchat-llc

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VRchat has a Link-In page I had no idea about until just now.

heavy ledge Jul 2, 2019, 8:50 AM

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Did the servers go poof?

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 8:50 AM

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i should probably sleep

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first day of class for my 3DM&A program

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going pro

royal basin Jul 2, 2019, 8:51 AM

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i'm still unable to connect because of my isp

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 8:52 AM

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xd

fathom quail Jul 2, 2019, 9:08 AM

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ok so i have an inkling avatar but the avatar stats are poor/medium but i like the avatar

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does the avatar stats give problems to other players?

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 9:10 AM

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Just one avatar won't do much, but if everyone had an avatar that was poor, then it could make the room laggy. You can keep it as it is, just some might choose to hide your avatar if they want to guarantee the best performance

fathom quail Jul 2, 2019, 9:11 AM

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ah ok, i wanted to make sure so i didnt disrupt anything

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 9:13 AM

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Yeah. It's just how much it takes to render. Poor doesn't mean like it's disrupting others. Just that it's "poorly optimized"

fathom quail Jul 2, 2019, 9:19 AM

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thanks

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 10:53 AM

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why the fuck peoples get's my ip from vrchat world?

still lark Jul 2, 2019, 10:54 AM

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Steam P2P

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 10:55 AM

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No, i just joined a vrchat world and someone got my ip and ddosed it

still lark Jul 2, 2019, 11:01 AM

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Yes actually

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VRC uses steam's audio for voices.

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VRC didn't directly leak your IP.

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 11:05 AM

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I can't find any reference anywhere to Steam voice chat leaking user IPs when used inside games, only when making a direct person to person connection in voice chat standalone. Is this referenced anywhere by Steam?

still lark Jul 2, 2019, 11:10 AM

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This is assuming you're using VRC while steam is open

stoic halo Jul 2, 2019, 11:10 AM

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i find that hard to believe

still lark Jul 2, 2019, 11:11 AM

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Go on.

indigo fern Jul 2, 2019, 11:11 AM

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Lmao it's like most games that use steam voice, happens on csgo all the time

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It's nothing new

still lark Jul 2, 2019, 11:13 AM

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@stoic halo @faint skiff https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/ip-exploit

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"Steam Networking is a peer-to-peer realtime networking service in use by many applications, including VRChat."

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 11:14 AM

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I've seen that, but I can't find confirmation outside of VRChat posts that it's actually a thing or that it's how it's supposed to work.

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Steam voice chat as per the friends list is peer to peer, but I wouldn't expect it to work that way in games.

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and yeah, I have Steam open as I'm using SteamVR.

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Also the "IPs are not private information" copy-paste is going to bite them in the ass. The EU have stated that it is seen as private information as has to be protected as such. So that's a dangerous stance to take.

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 11:17 AM

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The EU sees public IPs as private information?

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 11:18 AM

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But my question was that, ignoring VRChat for a moment, is there any Steam API documentation that says that the Steam voice chat API - when used in a game/program - still works as peer-to-peer, rather than server based.

still lark Jul 2, 2019, 11:18 AM

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That's like saying your car is private information, or the license plate you use is private information.

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 11:18 AM

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No, it's not and you know that analogy has zero relevance.

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 11:18 AM

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I just think it's important for people to understand that VRChat is not designed to be an anonymous social forum. It's like psuedo-anonymous. You have an alias, but your reasonable expectation of anonymity ends there.

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I mean any website or service you access is going to have your public IP at some point!

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 11:20 AM

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Yes, the websites. Not everyone else on those websites.

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 11:23 AM

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You can't even go on most modern websites without there being a plethora of third party services and trackers getting private and public information about you

still lark Jul 2, 2019, 11:24 AM

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@faint skiff https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/multiplayer/networking

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 11:24 AM

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@tranquil cobalt There's a difference between large businesses having your IP address for analytical purposes, and a bunch of toxic children.

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I mean this should be obvious.

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@still lark Thanks. Does VRChat actually use Steam networking though? (if it operates outside of Steam...)

still lark Jul 2, 2019, 11:26 AM

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If steam is closed, it uses it's own servers.

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(I have no idea of oculus client uses steam if it's open, unable to test)

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 11:26 AM

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I guess I just don't understand the fear/paranoia of having public IPs leaked from a social VR game when stuff like your identifiable browsing habits are probably being brokered across the web to the highest bidder

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 11:27 AM

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@still lark Is there any benefit of using one over the other?

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 11:27 AM

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It feels like the threat assessment there is low

still lark Jul 2, 2019, 11:27 AM

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For us?

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 11:27 AM

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What are they even doing with people's public IPs?

still lark Jul 2, 2019, 11:27 AM

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Apart from IP leakage, not really, if you have a garbo upload like me not using steam is best.

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@tranquil cobalt kiddies or VRC?

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 11:28 AM

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the kiddies

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 11:28 AM

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@tranquil cobalt I'm a professional sysad and deal with transit network abuse all the time. This includes threats, DDoS, etc. I'm used to seeing what sort of nonsense goes on.

still lark Jul 2, 2019, 11:28 AM

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DDoS mostly.

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It's logged as well in 90% of the cases.

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 11:29 AM

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@tranquil cobalt They could poke your home network for holes (unsecured wifi cameras, etc) or just perform a basic DoS just to piss you off and ruin your evening, etc. It's just not a good idea for people who shit on others for fun, to have this information.

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 11:31 AM

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Is the threat assessment high? I mean no offense to any players, but are we really that valuable/worth the effort of someone doing that malicious

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 11:31 AM

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You underestimate how much many people enjoy trying to upset/hurt others.

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 11:31 AM

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A lot of that would probably go beyond simple trolling and just legit be a crime, I can't imagine these peeps are being the quietest when they're doing this stuff

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 11:32 AM

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You probably wouldn't even know it was happening in the case of the former, in the latter, you'd just find yourself unable to do anything and most routers are pretty terrible when it comes to finding out what's going on, so you'd likely have trouble even investigating it.

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 11:33 AM

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Hell yeah, offensive info sec. Let's become a honeypot for ip leakers and log their attempts

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hahaha

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Hey, the fear of being caught might be preventative

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 11:36 AM

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You're thinking like an adult though. 10 year old kids aren't really likely to care if it's illegal.

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 11:37 AM

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They'd learn real quick if they got reported and got a visit 🌞

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 11:38 AM

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That's the thing, the police don't care. Unless it's a massive DDoS affecting actual networks, or a business, they simply won't investigate or care.

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So the risk of "getting caught" is essentially non-existent when the investigative parties involved will basically see it as a non-crime.

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 11:41 AM

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There's been some cases (at least in the US) where they've been better with going after smaller scale stuff. I'm reluctant to say better, though - because I also don't necessarily agree with ruining a kids future/life just bcs they're being annoying and exploring how to break internet things.

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They do gotta learn that it's not something to mess with in a malicious way tho

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 11:44 AM

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Because it's seen as a minor disruption with no monetary loss, it's generally not seen as something worth bothering with. In instances where someone's been prosecuted, it typically had something else happen as well to make it more serious.

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e.g. they'd gained unauthorised access to other people's machines and use those for the attacks, or did it from a businesses machines and that business noticed, etc.

tranquil cobalt Jul 2, 2019, 11:47 AM

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Yeah, or sometimes it seems they're like sitting on cases. The dude who stopped Wannacry is what comes mind. Dude was labeled a hero, then he gets arrested for something he did in his teens when he was still reckless and learning stuff

pseudo basalt Jul 2, 2019, 1:11 PM

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Did they break desktop screenshots while in VR? Hitting F12 or Ctrl+F12 gives you this weird zoomed out FOV screenshot

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 1:21 PM

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why would you take desktop screenshots in vr

pseudo basalt Jul 2, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Because using the steam shortcut gives you pixelated 4:3 garbage

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And using the camera isn't always convenient

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A few months ago I used input emulator to bind a longpress of the system button to just press F12 and it worked great but input emulator broke a long time ago

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 1:24 PM

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whatcha mean by a weird zoomed out fov screenshot?

pseudo basalt Jul 2, 2019, 1:27 PM

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Looked like this in like february 2018 when I first started using it https://puu.sh/DNIxj/52b0ada6b1.png and looks like this just now https://puu.sh/DNIA9/9b6dd98a62.png

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Notice how far the mic icon is

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I don't know if it has something to do with my setup or not

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That's why I'm wondering

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 1:27 PM

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hmm

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you had the vrc window maximized, right?

pseudo basalt Jul 2, 2019, 1:28 PM

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Yes, but I tried both and it's windowed

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 1:29 PM

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hmm

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I cant think of anything tbh

pseudo basalt Jul 2, 2019, 1:30 PM

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The steam one isn't 4:3 at least like the one you take with the VR shorcut, but it's still lower res than the F12/camera one

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 1:30 PM

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I haven't heard of them breaking it either

pseudo basalt Jul 2, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Maybe it was a long time ago

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 1:31 PM

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dont think so, people would've noticed

pseudo basalt Jul 2, 2019, 1:31 PM

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I think I stopped taking these types of screenshots around april 2018

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Because input emulator broke and couldn't rebind controller keys anymore and then they added the camera anyway

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 1:32 PM

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it looks like its taking a picture of your vr screen itself rather than the desktop vrc window, if that makes sense

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but I may be wrong

pseudo basalt Jul 2, 2019, 1:34 PM

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It is, that's why the steam ones are so bad

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 1:34 PM

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the zoomed out pic I meant

pseudo basalt Jul 2, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Ah right. I think so, yeah

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 1:36 PM

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but I still dont know why would a steam screenshot do that

pseudo basalt Jul 2, 2019, 1:37 PM

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Probably default behavior and was never changed by the devs

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 1:38 PM

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I only took a desktop pic once while in VR and I used print screen button instead of f12

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so I basically just took a screenshot of my entire screen

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so I dont even know if it's you or the game itself

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gotta get someone else to test it

pseudo basalt Jul 2, 2019, 1:42 PM

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I spent a few hours spaghettiying a screenshot button into playspace mover before I even tested if it still worked fine

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If nothing else it's still better than a steam screenshot

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Also special thanks to vrchat for using up both grips+triggers and menu+triggers as combinations to turn on safe mode

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 1:48 PM

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Menu + Triggers is almost impossible for me to press. Small hands? Short thumbs? Or is that normal?

elder prism Jul 2, 2019, 1:55 PM

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vrchat is down?

novel fog Jul 2, 2019, 1:59 PM

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yeah i think so, i cannot log in

mint solstice Jul 2, 2019, 2:05 PM

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https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/

Cloudflare Status

Welcome to Cloudflare's home for real-time and historical data on system performance.

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likely due to this!

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📎 unknown.png

pseudo basalt Jul 2, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Menu + triggers is easy with index and thumbs if you stretch, but maybe small hands, I dunno

sinful matrix Jul 2, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Cloudflare was down for a couple of minutes.

shadow sparrow Jul 2, 2019, 2:21 PM

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20mins actually ^^;

languid beacon Jul 2, 2019, 2:28 PM

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DDoSijg a random vr game seems like the most obscure thing to do

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Yeah I’m just very curious about the motives of those who do specifically target vrc it’s such an obscure target it’s got to be personal

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Like who peed in whose Cheerios

rigid crescent Jul 2, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Same people crashing others in a free game lol

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Someone called someone a bad word, they sperged out. The same thing that normally happens I'd guess.

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 2:38 PM

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This is a normal thing for vrc now I'm not even suprised anymore

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When the servers go down now I don't even care

rigid crescent Jul 2, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Lol they don't even go down that often

near sky Jul 2, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Given they announce quite audibly every time they do it may feel as if it's frequent?

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It's not very infrequent; but not the norm

rigid crescent Jul 2, 2019, 3:05 PM

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I mean they're rarely down. Messy logins and stability sure but almost never down.

near sky Jul 2, 2019, 3:18 PM

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^ This is true

plush cove Jul 2, 2019, 3:22 PM

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is vrchat havong some problems?

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having*

near sky Jul 2, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Many services are at the moment; may be cloudflare or AWS related. Discord itself was struggling earlier. May still be DM issues.

true sky Jul 2, 2019, 3:36 PM

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It was a cloudflare issue

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Several people got 502 errors when visiting any site using cloudflare

near sky Jul 2, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Not surprised. ^^ Made sense given the scale of the thing. Any updates?

true sky Jul 2, 2019, 3:37 PM

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It should be working again, but the response time for analytics is a bit behind

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But it isnt an issue for us

raven prawn Jul 2, 2019, 3:57 PM

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https://twitter.com/PoltFan69/status/1146061239002341379?s=20 @near sky

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Its a chinese protest apparently

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This happened last week too

still lark Jul 2, 2019, 5:24 PM

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https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-outage/

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 5:25 PM

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@raven prawn That Tweet's been deleted.

acoustic glacier Jul 2, 2019, 5:27 PM

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So I was looking around the internet, then I found out that there was software that can be used to track your hands in vr using the in-built cameras in the HTC vive nad vive pro. How many people here knew about this or am I late to the party?

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 5:28 PM

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uuh

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never heard of that, but I have a feeling it would be crappy

acoustic glacier Jul 2, 2019, 5:29 PM

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I was also wondering if it would work in vrchat

rough pulsar Jul 2, 2019, 5:30 PM

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There's some hand tracking stuff that's been shown with the Vive Pro's stereo cameras, but no idea about the regular Vive. Or if there's a driver to map that to a device in steamvr or whatever.

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There's software that can use the leap motion to emulate index controllers, finger tracking and all

acoustic glacier Jul 2, 2019, 5:31 PM

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if that works, then the rift s with all of its cameras (if it can) will have better tracking maybe poossibly?

faint skiff Jul 2, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Vive only has a single camera doesn't it? I'd be surprised if that worked at all. Ooh, although I do have a leap-motion, I wonder if that works in VRChat at all...

robust ginkgo Jul 2, 2019, 5:31 PM

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hello

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im new in vr chat im waiting to be appoved what am i allowed to do while i wait?? please help VRC_Stoic

acoustic glacier Jul 2, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Yeah be patient

robust ginkgo Jul 2, 2019, 5:32 PM

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i didnt know who else to ask

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lol

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 5:33 PM

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approved to upload content ya mean?

robust ginkgo Jul 2, 2019, 5:33 PM

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yes

acoustic glacier Jul 2, 2019, 5:33 PM

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yeah just play the game for a bit and your rank will go higher

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 5:33 PM

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it shouldn't take too long

robust ginkgo Jul 2, 2019, 5:33 PM

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how can i bring up the game

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thats the confusing part

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 5:33 PM

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huh?

acoustic glacier Jul 2, 2019, 5:33 PM

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I use steam?

rigid crescent Jul 2, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Do you not have the game?

robust ginkgo Jul 2, 2019, 5:37 PM

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trying to figure out the download part right now

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i havent been in the pc gaming world in years

rigid crescent Jul 2, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Uhhh

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Just go to the website

robust ginkgo Jul 2, 2019, 5:37 PM

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no im not old lol

rigid crescent Jul 2, 2019, 5:38 PM

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👀

robust ginkgo Jul 2, 2019, 5:38 PM

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i got steam

acoustic glacier Jul 2, 2019, 5:38 PM

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good

rigid crescent Jul 2, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Ok it's on there

languid beacon Jul 2, 2019, 5:38 PM

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It’s available on steam and oculus home. If you are on desktop without vr steam version is recommended

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Once steam is installed, run it and on the store tab search for vrchat it’s a free game

acoustic glacier Jul 2, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Yeah, when you open vrchat in steam, there is a tick box to either playing in vr or desktop mode

languid beacon Jul 2, 2019, 5:40 PM

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If you’ve been out of Pc gaming welcome back, it’s been all steam for like a decade now :p

robust ginkgo Jul 2, 2019, 5:41 PM

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thanks so much beautiful people 😃

snow wadi Jul 2, 2019, 5:58 PM

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To the person asking if leap motion works in VRChat : Yes it does.

near sky Jul 2, 2019, 5:59 PM

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The next question is how well, and how intuitive does using it feel

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Curious on those fronts.

snow wadi Jul 2, 2019, 6:00 PM

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There are actually a few YT vids with tutorials and tests with it, seems ok but not perfect.

spiral tundra Jul 2, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Oo

acoustic glacier Jul 2, 2019, 6:03 PM

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So it seems like there is moderate support for HTC vive finger tracking (using the inbuilt camera in the headset) with 51 votes to it

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Not sure how well that would work

acoustic glacier Jul 2, 2019, 6:04 PM

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It wouldn't work well as the index controllers, but atleast its cheap hand tracking

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jsut requires the right software

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 6:05 PM

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And who’s going to code that software

acoustic glacier Jul 2, 2019, 6:06 PM

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There is a SDK given by vive so that game makers and software engineers can do stuff with it

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the sdk works in hand tracking, we just need that hand tracking to be translated into vrchat

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Right so vrchat runs on unity, and the vive hand tracking sdk works with unity, if someone knows how to do unity stuff then maybe it could work

umbral reef Jul 2, 2019, 6:21 PM

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The inbuilt tracking is fairly shit and the API is not kind from what i have heard.
Have not toyed around with it myself so do not quote me on it

main leaf Jul 2, 2019, 6:23 PM

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does the oculus vrchat + my steam hours go together?

acoustic glacier Jul 2, 2019, 6:23 PM

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I don't think so?

meager solstice Jul 2, 2019, 6:24 PM

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@main leaf if u play on oculus client, oculus has their own hour tracker

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it in no way adds to the steam hours

main leaf Jul 2, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Would that still count as like how many hours ive spent in vrchat, im thinking of the trusted rank from what way i know of achieving it

meager solstice Jul 2, 2019, 6:26 PM

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I beleive vrc has their own way of tracking that info so, if u play on the same account doesnt matter the client.... it will add to that acccounts hours

main leaf Jul 2, 2019, 6:27 PM

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alright, cus steamvr is fuuuuuucked

meager solstice Jul 2, 2019, 6:27 PM

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if u had an oculus, why were u playing on the steam anyway?

main leaf Jul 2, 2019, 6:28 PM

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because oculus was stupid for me back then

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but now it works so im using oculus now but rip 800h from steamvr xD

meager solstice Jul 2, 2019, 6:28 PM

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eh, just get an index and that will fix that issue

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Xd

main leaf Jul 2, 2019, 6:30 PM

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yayay lemme just rob a bank real quick ^

meager solstice Jul 2, 2019, 6:32 PM

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doesnt see anything

main leaf Jul 2, 2019, 6:54 PM

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lmao cant even play im lagging like a bunch for some reason, it was all fine and dandy yday

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 7:16 PM

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I have the money to buy index and controllers but I live in canada

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sad

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Buy it and send it to Me then I’ll mail it to you

languid beacon Jul 2, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Im waiting until they fix the various hardware issues I’m seeing reported, mainly the knuckles exploding into 5 pieces if you think negative thoughts while looking in the approximate direction of one.

acoustic glacier Jul 2, 2019, 7:20 PM

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I need to work for a month or few to save up for the index mate

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Wait the knuckles what now

languid beacon Jul 2, 2019, 7:21 PM

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People are reporting the k Ickes controllers break super easily

covert linden Jul 2, 2019, 7:21 PM

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Thats so sadd

meager solstice Jul 2, 2019, 7:21 PM

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i mean it is the first batch, nothing comes out perfect

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 7:21 PM

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^

covert linden Jul 2, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Never buy stuff brand new it always begins with issues

languid beacon Jul 2, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Some say they are broken on arrival (sticks cannot click) bit others are seeing the joysticks falling off after minimal use. Others say they drop them and they break (which is their fault but they are apparently delicate)

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The headset itself is being praised

meager solstice Jul 2, 2019, 7:23 PM

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actualyl the headset has some issues, but pretty common

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dead pixels, easily scratched lenses from glasses

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give it a month/2 and all these issues will more than likely be fixed

languid beacon Jul 2, 2019, 7:25 PM

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I can’t imagine dead pixels would ever not be an issue

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That just comes with the details of LCD

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I’m in the August 31st batch I don’t know if they will be fixed by than or not

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I don’t know why why they don’t have a zero dead pixel policy do they really think someone’s gonna drop a grand, get some dead pixels and just go “oh well guess I’ll just accept it”

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I have a cv1 with vive body trackers and lighthouses already

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Getting everything in one system is well worth the it

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To me

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 7:31 PM

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I really think the index dropped the ball with the lenses. True there's no barrel distortion, but the sweet spot is small, and the glare/godrays is one of the worst.

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Compared to something like the rift S which has a huge sweetspot and almost no glare in comparison

languid beacon Jul 2, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Yeah it’s not enough for me to cancel my reservation but when the time comes if I don’t start hearing better things I’ll be passing on it. It’s a shame though I really want to be fully lighthouse setup but I don’t want a vive

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Why aren’t there good lighthouse controllers

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It’s the superior tracking technology but I just don’t like how any of the devices feel

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 7:40 PM

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I personally love the vive wands I don’t know why people hate them so much

languid beacon Jul 2, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Because oculus touch feels like you are holding nothing at all and vive wands feel like dumbbells

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And there’s no analog stick

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Every vive wand user I see seems to hold their hands straight down like they are tired of holding them and never seem to body gesture

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I’ll stop ranting though

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 7:45 PM

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I don’t feel them at all tbh

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They feel like nothing to me

opaque hawk Jul 2, 2019, 7:46 PM

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They alright. Really wish they didn’t require as much force for the grip buttons and they had a joystick

frosty veldt Jul 2, 2019, 7:47 PM

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Depends on person to person but I've got nothing bad to say for the Vive wands besides how mine are breaking

rigid crescent Jul 2, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Dumbells lol

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Y'all ever lift anything heavier than a potato chip like damn

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Exactly

rigid crescent Jul 2, 2019, 7:53 PM

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I just dislike them breaking. Right now I'm actually picking them over the knuckles

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Especially with all the issues.

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Vive wands are made of some of the most durable plastic I’ve seen

frosty veldt Jul 2, 2019, 7:54 PM

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D-pads are always breaking though, rest of the wand is durable

rigid crescent Jul 2, 2019, 7:54 PM

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It I could find them cheap I'd sooner take 2.0 Vive controllers over knuckles

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 7:54 PM

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I’ve smashed those things full force into my wall and dressers and they still work perfectly

rigid crescent Jul 2, 2019, 7:55 PM

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I was looking to get a spare Vive controller and everyone I know is too worried their knuckles are gonna crap out on them to take the risk lol

frosty veldt Jul 2, 2019, 7:56 PM

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I've seen a good amount of people spending 100 for a tracker and doing FBT with their old Vive wands as feet

rigid crescent Jul 2, 2019, 7:56 PM

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On top of how clumsy it is, as of now, to do gestures

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Yeah the ones I've asked are just like "uhhhhh I'll keep em just in case"

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Huh

rigid crescent Jul 2, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Like legit 8 or 9 people now lol

slate verge Jul 2, 2019, 8:11 PM

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think ima stick to the vive then if people reporting index controllers being fragile

sinful otter Jul 2, 2019, 8:11 PM

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Ok so i need help i just booted up VRChat and im spinning in circles non stop it wont stop...

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Non of my keys are sticking

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and my mouse aint movin either on any other game

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shits tripping me out lol

slate verge Jul 2, 2019, 8:12 PM

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@sinful otter could be your mouse, unplug your mouse and keyboard just to pinpoint the cause

sinful otter Jul 2, 2019, 8:12 PM

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Wait does VR have controler support ?

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My PS4 controlers pugged in to my PC

slate verge Jul 2, 2019, 8:13 PM

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if not, you probably have a controller plugged in and its misplaced with the control stick

sinful otter Jul 2, 2019, 8:13 PM

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1 sec

slate verge Jul 2, 2019, 8:13 PM

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yes there you go

sinful otter Jul 2, 2019, 8:14 PM

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PS4 COntroler support :LUL:

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slate verge Jul 2, 2019, 8:15 PM

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well yeah vrchat is a pc game thus controller support. And external emoji's are disabled for public lobby and vrchat general. You can use it in randomchat.

sinful otter Jul 2, 2019, 8:15 PM

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okays

languid beacon Jul 2, 2019, 8:17 PM

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VRchat can support any controller that supports Stream, but if it’s not for vr you’ll probably need to manually bind it in steam settings

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You can also rebind vr controllers for example on my touch controllers I moved jump off of click stick and onto a button proper because I hate clicking them

plush shard Jul 2, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Question
Some of my friends in VRChat get 60 fps with the vr goggles
I only get 45 or 90 fps, is there something I can do to enable 60 fps or is it made like that

ruby needle Jul 2, 2019, 9:56 PM

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then they propably have turned of ASW

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however that is actually a feature to make it better and prevent sickness

meager solstice Jul 2, 2019, 10:24 PM

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i see no reason to turn of asw

mighty cradle Jul 2, 2019, 10:29 PM

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disable yer dam vsync

sinful otter Jul 2, 2019, 10:31 PM

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On PC how do i use the 3D Rotating ?

stoic halo Jul 2, 2019, 10:34 PM

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honestly i dont even know what 3d rotating does

twin iron Jul 2, 2019, 10:35 PM

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Anyone know why video players aren’t working in world?

stoic halo Jul 2, 2019, 10:35 PM

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youtube-dl.exe is outdated

twin iron Jul 2, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Damn, that sucks .. any word on an update?

opaque hawk Jul 2, 2019, 10:38 PM

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It will happen

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Probably soon since a open-beta is going on which will mean a update will follow

ruby needle Jul 2, 2019, 10:40 PM

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you can also grab the updated version of the web and place it in the folder your self

sinful otter Jul 2, 2019, 10:43 PM

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Anyone know what the 3D Rotating does ?

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 10:48 PM

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uuh, where exactly?

twin iron Jul 2, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Replaced it with updated version @ruby needle still doesn’t play

ruby needle Jul 2, 2019, 11:01 PM

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bummer

twin iron Jul 2, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Yeah.. no other fix?

ruby needle Jul 2, 2019, 11:01 PM

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nope

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not if its a outdated YT DL issue

twin iron Jul 2, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Is pretty much everyone affected the same then?

ruby needle Jul 2, 2019, 11:03 PM

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if its yt dl breaking then yes

rigid crescent Jul 2, 2019, 11:04 PM

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I can see vids just fine and the ytdl should affect more than just youtube

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Watched some cooking videos on Kate Saturday night/Saturday morning

ruby needle Jul 2, 2019, 11:05 PM

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mostly youtube breaks cus youtube likes changing things that then break stuff

twin iron Jul 2, 2019, 11:05 PM

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I see videos other people post but when I do it, never works

ruby needle Jul 2, 2019, 11:05 PM

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not like the DL program doesnt work at all, just youtube's parts wont properly connect thus need a updated executable

twin iron Jul 2, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Yeah even repaired the c++ distributable and replayed YouTube-dL

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Replaced

digital spoke Jul 2, 2019, 11:14 PM

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Is vrchat free on steam?

vernal forge Jul 2, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Yes

vocal shard Jul 2, 2019, 11:19 PM

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39.99 on sale

mighty cradle Jul 2, 2019, 11:23 PM

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what

queen mango Jul 2, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Yes, it's free to play on Steam.

sinful otter Jul 2, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Anyone know what the 3D Rotating does ?

queen mango Jul 2, 2019, 11:50 PM

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Well, it'd be best to ask that question in #3d-modeling or #avatars-2-general. I think you can find people there who know those.

mighty cradle Jul 2, 2019, 11:55 PM

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a deaf emoji is sorely needed

inner cape Jul 2, 2019, 11:58 PM

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but all emojis dont have ears

mighty cradle Jul 3, 2019, 12:00 AM

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i mean

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just an ear and a cross or something

inner cape Jul 3, 2019, 12:00 AM

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🔇

queen mango Jul 3, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Now that you mention it, the mute emoji used to be in the list, along with the muted emoji.

inner cape Jul 3, 2019, 12:01 AM

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lmao

mighty cradle Jul 3, 2019, 12:01 AM

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they should be there

queen mango Jul 3, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Double-checked.. there seems to be none.

mighty cradle Jul 3, 2019, 12:03 AM

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poke your peeps about the mutes and a deaf

desert stratus Jul 3, 2019, 12:05 AM

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im gonna be so happy if/when udon comes to avatars

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cuz hopefully itll help migitate the arcane dark magic of the VRC inventory system

mighty cradle Jul 3, 2019, 12:05 AM

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udon?

desert stratus Jul 3, 2019, 12:05 AM

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something i just learned today, mad respect to the people who came up with the logic for that

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i wouldnt dream of putting myself through the horror of figuring out how to get that shit polished up and working

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the scripting thing thats apparently coming the en dof this year

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to worlds, that is

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 12:18 AM

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Whats MMD ?

opaque hawk Jul 3, 2019, 12:19 AM

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miku miku dance

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 12:20 AM

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hmmm ?

inner cape Jul 3, 2019, 12:22 AM

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that's what it is

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a program used for animating

vocal shard Jul 3, 2019, 12:24 AM

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It's an animation program. So the models for it are generally called MMD models. And since they are easy to customize, people tend to use them in games like GMod and vrchat

lunar shell Jul 3, 2019, 12:25 AM

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Can we get a finger tracking channel please?

covert linden Jul 3, 2019, 12:26 AM

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@lunar shell #feature-requests

lunar shell Jul 3, 2019, 12:28 AM

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I'll try that but it's sure to get buried.

true sky Jul 3, 2019, 12:29 AM

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Open a canny

manic elbow Jul 3, 2019, 12:38 AM

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what's a canny?

queen mango Jul 3, 2019, 12:45 AM

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The canny, specifically the VRChat canny, is where people can post their requests for new features or report bugs encountered in-game for the devs to take notice of.

Think of it as a sort of feedback site.

pallid yew Jul 3, 2019, 12:49 AM

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Anyone know why my playspace movers suddenly not working anymore? Recalibrated the playspace itself in steam vr as I’ve moved to a new room, and it moves back and forward now, just not up and down like it used to.

torn nebula Jul 3, 2019, 1:03 AM

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@pallid yew are you using playspace mover or are you using openvr-advancedsettings?

mighty cradle Jul 3, 2019, 1:07 AM

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hmm

pallid yew Jul 3, 2019, 1:07 AM

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Open vr @torn nebula

torn nebula Jul 3, 2019, 1:07 AM

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@pallid yew you probably have Y lock enabled in the offsets tab

pallid yew Jul 3, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Ahh ty @torn nebula

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Works fine now ❤️

mighty cradle Jul 3, 2019, 1:10 AM

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the genius switchflipper

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why

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 1:47 AM

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Are NSFW models allowed in VRChat ?

celest lion Jul 3, 2019, 1:49 AM

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lmao

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Mans gotta ask

celest lion Jul 3, 2019, 1:49 AM

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because something called erp

covert linden Jul 3, 2019, 1:50 AM

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@sinful otter chech the community guidelines

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@sinful otter https://www.vrchat.net/community-guidelines

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 1:52 AM

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🆗

celest lion Jul 3, 2019, 1:52 AM

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"13 or older"

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Inappropriate Content

* Usernames must abide by our community guidelines.
* Live streaming, advertising or publicly sharing content that is sexually explicit in nature or simulates sex acts is not permitted. Doing so may result in moderation action being taken against your account up to (but not limited to) banning of the offending user account depending on the severity of the act in question.
* Pornography & nudity is not allowed.
* Political & Religious figures and symbology. Civil discourse is allowed in private spaces where all participants are aware of and accepting of the discussion.

celest lion Jul 3, 2019, 1:53 AM

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in public worlds they arent really allowed

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but what they going to do against crashers :/

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there are a few that litterally break ur pc

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 1:54 AM

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Yh Crashers are pissing me off tbh also force logouts.

celest lion Jul 3, 2019, 1:54 AM

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yep thats why i dont go public worlds xD

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 1:54 AM

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Also there needs to be some kind of preventions against the avatars that shake screens ect.

celest lion Jul 3, 2019, 1:55 AM

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tru that chief

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 1:55 AM

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The "Safety" options are a OK step, But they ruin the main experiance for others.

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and myself who enjoys interacting with others.

celest lion Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 AM

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well they should make the safety feature known to new users because i was in a world where this guy crashes everyone in the world but me

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 1:56 AM

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I dont even get how there causing crashes.

celest lion Jul 3, 2019, 1:57 AM

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i dont really know either

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but its just stupid thats all :/

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and it was a occurrence\ that has been going on for so long too

fair wave Jul 3, 2019, 1:58 AM

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where do I go for help

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Also is there a way to add somone who lets say gives me there username, as i dont see it.

fair wave Jul 3, 2019, 1:58 AM

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I have a bug I need help fixing

celest lion Jul 3, 2019, 1:58 AM

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what bug?

fair wave Jul 3, 2019, 1:58 AM

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I'm stuck with a yellow error robot guy and I cannot change into any other avatar

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 1:59 AM

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I also dont see a invite though steam option even though the games ON steam, Seems little lack luster for discoverability options.

celest lion Jul 3, 2019, 1:59 AM

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have you tried restarting?

fair wave Jul 3, 2019, 1:59 AM

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yep

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millions of times

celest lion Jul 3, 2019, 1:59 AM

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it happened to me but with other peoples avatars

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idk about that chief

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 1:59 AM

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Do you have dynamic bones ticked ?

celest lion Jul 3, 2019, 1:59 AM

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yes i do

fair wave Jul 3, 2019, 2:00 AM

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what is dynamic bones under

celest lion Jul 3, 2019, 2:01 AM

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in safety area i think

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then performance options

stoic halo Jul 3, 2019, 2:02 AM

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if you have it unticked you still see the model

fair wave Jul 3, 2019, 2:03 AM

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I have it ticked

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what do I do

tacit plank Jul 3, 2019, 2:11 AM

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To earlier comment, NSFW models are fine in private worlds, but don't share images and such. If you "get caught" in any way you will be banned.
It's a bit strange. Basically, they don't care much, but can't tell you it's allowed, and if you're caught you will probably get banned, since VRChat doesn't want such an image

fair wave Jul 3, 2019, 2:14 AM

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@tacit plank I need some help with something

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real quick

tacit plank Jul 3, 2019, 2:14 AM

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I can't promise I can help, but I will give it a shot

fair wave Jul 3, 2019, 2:15 AM

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my character is a yellow annoying error robot looking dude and I can't change my avatar out of it

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It's been like that for days

tacit plank Jul 3, 2019, 2:19 AM

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That sounds strange. You can't change avatar at all? Try verifying the game files (If using Steam)
There's other fixes here: http://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/17-i-crashedcant-launch-vrchatother-issues/

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There's also this shortcut: Control + \ it should change you into a default, functioning robot avatar. It's a failsafe

fair wave Jul 3, 2019, 2:21 AM

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is it the Ctrl on your keyboard then the backslash like this: ""?

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\

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omg it worked thank you! :D

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legend

wispy gulch Jul 3, 2019, 2:26 AM

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good to know, i'll try that later on the pc

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 2:39 AM

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is there a verified mod that allows you to see your char from the outside for PC user's iv a few dances that id love to view but the camera doesnt move with them and if i stand infront of a mirror i cant see squat because of the model moving back and forth covering my camera

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like a way to detatch from your avi, I know VR has the camera they can use.

polar jasper Jul 3, 2019, 2:43 AM

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You can edit the animation and move it forward a bit

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 2:44 AM

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Yeahhhh iv no idea how to do that... Also some of the dances on the avi's walk quite some distance away from my camera, Enough of a distance to warent making Mirrors pointless, Either not being able to see the dance or going through the mirror...

short oxide Jul 3, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Can someone please make my minecraft skin in vrchat please?

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Just search for a minecraft world 😃

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should have a avitar

short oxide Jul 3, 2019, 2:48 AM

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i have tried that\

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i could not find any

vocal shard Jul 3, 2019, 2:49 AM

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No

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Get a real pc

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 2:49 AM

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xD

vocal shard Jul 3, 2019, 2:49 AM

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aevSip

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And what are they

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 2:50 AM

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Specs dont mean squat if you cant game on them LUL

vocal shard Jul 3, 2019, 2:50 AM

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Facts

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 2:51 AM

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or have basic support.

short oxide Jul 3, 2019, 2:51 AM

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this man has a macbook

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he needs a bigger mac

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i used to own a macbook

lavish kraken Jul 3, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Would you like fries with that?

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 2:52 AM

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👏 Congrats you have a i9... but 2.9ghz OOOOOF, also 32gb of ram, a little overkill but oka perfect for rendering videos / pics.

short oxide Jul 3, 2019, 2:52 AM

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yes

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 2:53 AM

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You have a production machine not a gaming machine xD

short oxide Jul 3, 2019, 2:53 AM

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XD

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 2:53 AM

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If you want to game, Dual boot your mac...

short oxide Jul 3, 2019, 2:53 AM

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easy

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 2:53 AM

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have Windows along side your main mac os.

short oxide Jul 3, 2019, 2:53 AM

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dual boot it

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👏 someone 👏 make me 👏 my mc skin 👏 in 👏 vrchat 👏 (please)

vocal shard Jul 3, 2019, 2:54 AM

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Make 👏 it 👏 yourself

short oxide Jul 3, 2019, 2:54 AM

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idk how

vocal shard Jul 3, 2019, 2:54 AM

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Learn

short oxide Jul 3, 2019, 2:54 AM

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no u

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 2:54 AM

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👏 your 👏 in 👏 the 👏 wrong 👏 place 👏 for 👏 custom 👏 skins 👏

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oof

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thats a fail.

vocal shard Jul 3, 2019, 2:55 AM

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I already know how to

short oxide Jul 3, 2019, 2:55 AM

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👏 meme 👏 review

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👏 👏 👏 👏

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lmao

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 2:55 AM

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:LUL:

short oxide Jul 3, 2019, 2:55 AM

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i saw it

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i want to commit steponlegoicide

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 2:56 AM

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Nasty

short oxide Jul 3, 2019, 2:56 AM

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wut?

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 2:56 AM

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Throw him to the dogs.

short oxide Jul 3, 2019, 2:56 AM

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there good

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ye

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 2:56 AM

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There watered garbage.

short oxide Jul 3, 2019, 2:57 AM

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thats what ur mom said when u were born

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 2:57 AM

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No, I dont enjoy eating water thanks id rather drink it.

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Also dont enjoy watering down my produce

short oxide Jul 3, 2019, 2:57 AM

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i like eating water

sinful otter Jul 3, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Sick.

vocal shard Jul 3, 2019, 2:58 AM

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This should be in #general-media

gleaming kraken Jul 3, 2019, 4:27 AM

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how come it takes so dang long to load the vrchat website nowadays? everyother site i use works fine

distant breach Jul 3, 2019, 4:28 AM

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Is anyone else ending up with a bug where instance invites are going to the website only and not the game?

vocal shard Jul 3, 2019, 5:26 AM

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Angel you need to fuck off

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You were bullying him for no reason at all

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No you weren’t

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You got mad at him for the dumbest reason ever

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<@&397642795457970181>

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Thanks guys for banning

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Yeah that was really uncalled for

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Thanks for pinging cutepat

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Np

stable oriole Jul 3, 2019, 5:33 AM

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who pinged me?

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i got pinged 5 times

vocal shard Jul 3, 2019, 5:34 AM

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It was Angel

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Someone was ranting and saying really mean things. They got banned

stable oriole Jul 3, 2019, 5:35 AM

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oh yea that guy, hes been harassing me for hours

vocal shard Jul 3, 2019, 5:35 AM

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Just ignore it

queen mango Jul 3, 2019, 5:39 AM

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Best ignore him. He'll be talking to ghosts soon enough.

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Shit, I was late

light seal Jul 3, 2019, 5:40 AM

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Wew lad lol

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Go into Avatar Testing world and get kicked for testing my avatar, I miss the old days when people went into that map knowing what they are getting into

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God forbid they use their safety settings

queen mango Jul 3, 2019, 5:41 AM

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Oof. That's irony. vrpill

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Where else are you going to test your avatar?

light seal Jul 3, 2019, 5:42 AM

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Make Avatar Testing great again.

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Liked going into the public testing worlds to check out other peoples cool anims and stuff. Now it's just a bunch of role players sitting in front of a mirror saying nothing and doing nothing the whole time

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Like they are only there because it has a mirror

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It's big oof

vocal shard Jul 3, 2019, 5:44 AM

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If is mirrorchat after all

queen mango Jul 3, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Avatar creativity's taken a hit in the neck since the last few updates. It's unlikely we'll ever see that era again.

light seal Jul 3, 2019, 5:50 AM

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Also have way too many people that get too butthurt over simple stuff now.

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You got people who will block you or start a votekick for the sole reason that they don't like the way your avatar looks lol

lone scroll Jul 3, 2019, 5:58 AM

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yeah if you are a lewd loli or some pregnant avatar or some other degenerate shit, hell yeah im going to block / votekick you

queen mango Jul 3, 2019, 6:01 AM

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That's rather justified. No-one in their right mind would want to see those two.

Now kicking someone for something as little as a nail, that is non-justifiable.

snow wadi Jul 3, 2019, 6:09 AM

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This one is being reasoning with, I already tried. ._.

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@queen mango 42c here right now BTW, car is an oven when I open the door. ;_;

queen mango Jul 3, 2019, 6:12 AM

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Must've been hell. It's like that for us, but 4x longer overall.

snow wadi Jul 3, 2019, 6:12 AM

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Oof even our evenings hit 40c