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#vrchat-general-2
rigid crescent
cosmic coyote
Howdy
storm stag
Atlasing avatars doesn't matter anymore since Avatar Stats reads every hidden Mesh and GameObject in 1 avatar.
storm stag
One day your stats is Good, then the next update it's Very Poor.
languid beacon
I atlas all my stuff... changes in disabled game objects changed none of my avatars because I use shape keys for all props
vocal shard
@languid beacon não entendo o que você está falando
languid beacon
I’m sorry I only speak English
vocal shard
Because all the stuff you tried to hide behind animations is counted now. Even is things are disabled, it's still loaded in the background using ram ready for the animation to be activated. So it makes sense to count disabled things.
Counting hidden game objects was requested a lot in the canny, and now that it's happened, people have turned the other way
languid beacon
Nah no one turned its different people
I’m on the side of agreeing. 70K limit should include props
And splitting the mesh just to hide part just makes more materials
rigid crescent
Also atlasing still matters, it still performant
languid beacon
Having the verts always rendered becssue you used a shape key to hide the prop is well worth having one less material because it’s on the same atlas
storm stag
Well the new Avatar stats made me want not to atlas my models.
languid beacon
Yes always atlas. There’s no excuse not to atlas. Even if I need separate materials I still atlas and assign different parts of the single atlas to different materials that share the same UV and texture
rigid crescent
I mean don't Atlas and get hidden . Easy.
No one forces you to, it's just agood idea
languid beacon
How many materials moves you to poor again?
I’ve never needed more than 6. Most are just 3 for single, double, and transparent
Occasionally I need double transparent, a blink shader or a eye track shader
storm stag
Mostly Normal avatars with no hidden gameobjects will always be Good.
And Quest avatars.
misty turret
Honestly why isn't materials counted for more imo anyway above 10 seems to much, while 33 dynamic bones seems to strict. When we getting a weighted system?
storm stag
I limit my dynamic bones and mostly weight paint the skirts.
meager solstice
@misty turret dynamic bones is one of the worst things u can add to a model
That’s why it is “strict”
covert linden
I just have 50 dynb dont mind me
misty turret
@meager solstice didn't say it wasnt but it isn't weighed correctly either. But doesn't matter anyway since your always caculated down to your "worst" stat.
languid beacon
I wonder if there is a way to auto atlas models at runtime and slam a single shader on them
For the people who have like 200 materials
misty turret
They could just make is so you can't upload past 50 materials
mighty cradle
someone's gonna hack that
rigid crescent
Any hard limits are kinda lame, just give us proper blocking tools
languid beacon
If they can detect it post upload they can just make the client not render it
But yes it’s lame
misty turret
There is no reason an avatar needs more then 50 mats....
languid beacon
Separate meshes use separate materials. Always. Even if it’s the same material
Have 10 dancers? 10 duplicate materials
rigid crescent
Proper tools are still better than limitations
mighty cradle
no one's loli army avatar takes up 50 materials
misty turret
@languid beacon if they didn't count everything that wasn't active this wouldn't be an issue.
languid beacon
Hopefully now that there’s no reason to split meshes
No I disagree
Zakka
It’s good that they count inactive
They were always a separate material
rigid crescent
They still take resources don't they
languid beacon
They should not have split the mesh and just made the props shape keys
Single material on the same atlas
One less material is more than worth the zero scale tris being there at all times
languid beacon
A terminal?
mighty cradle
well, for one, an interactive texture of some sort, a la id engines
a text display and possibly a keyboard
imagine a pip boy thing
hexed maple
When I recive my index controllers. Is the something I need to setup or do anything specific for them to work with vrhcat.
misty turret
@languid beacon I dunno I never liked how props looked when coming out of people's body. But let s agree to disagree.
languid beacon
Stuff like that is possible (material change on collision with your hand) but not much else in terms of interactivity. We don’t have avatar scripting
mighty cradle
rip
i mean
even a gp shader would be a nice challenge
there are probably hacky ways to get there, and i'd use them
but having a working pip boy by any means would be cool
could i use bits and pieces of a texture for a bitmapped font?
ie, pick and place parts of a texture
alternatively, can i generate vectors?
languid beacon
Keyboards on avatars have been done via shaders yes
Don’t have a clue how they work I just accept that shader code is a dark art
mighty cradle
it'd probably be pressable on one gesture
though a compute shader is probably how I'd do this
mighty cradle
what?
frosty coyote
vocal shard
Nope, everything's perfect for me (besides really slow-loading avatars)
urban jasper
Not the bees!
vocal shard
how to get VRChat anime girlfriend without having to socialize
this isn't google. Darn.
pure hemlock
Step 1. Find a girl in the great pug. Step 2. Give her the attention she desperately desires. Step 3. Success (For about a week until she finds someone else)
white lichen
- realize it was a dude using a voice changer all this time and regret playing VRchat
vale kestrel
5 jokes on you im bi!
vestal pier
6 they probably aren't and were doing it to entrap you
vale kestrel
anybody know where i can get a good 2B avatar?
ripe quiver
Anyone else randomly getting kicked from VRchat servers lately?
tacit plank
I got a strange idea. Anyone know how to make the vive controllers vibrate intentionally?
rigid crescent
There's a world trigger for it isn't there
idle nova
That'll run through the battery life on the controllers fast
inner cape
just open menu and spam the trigger
tacit plank
I can't find a trigger with related text
rigid crescent
Try looking up patch notes, it's an odd one I remember
jade spruce
does anyone know Random Noodles in here?
white lichen
Do you need a lot for space to play with VR? Because I have a small room that is 2 meters by 3 meters
idle nova
I answered you in #general-media
white lichen
I just want to make sure, my parents won’t buy me a VR because They say I don’t have enough space in my room, and it’s frustrating
It’s so hard to persuade them
tacit plank
PlayHaptic maybe
"PlayHaptics - Used to play haptics in a Touch or Vive controller. Must be used with VRC_Pickup"
I can't find this anywhere in the SDK
polar elm
Let them know you want to head pat anime girls. They will understand
tacit plank
I think I got it to work. Add an item with a pickup script, then event -> from scene -> cube(1) -> sendHaptic
pulsar estuary
languid beacon
@white lichen you need space to stand, t pose; and turn in a circle without being able to hit anything. Basically the same space as a Wii
Tho if you don’t want to stand you can also sit
But it’s more fun if you can stand
Since sitting mode puts the floor below your real floor and you can’t reach the vr floor anymore
opaque hawk
Could be both those and your url/source
pastel galleon
youtube players don't currently work anymore
north axle
Oh, so it wasn't just my problem. Any clue why this is happening?
rigid crescent
Outdated dl or something
vocal shard
They work for me? I have a link to a fix if you guys want it.
median basalt
Video players? Yeah they break a lot because youtube keeps changing stuff
small wing
Working on a solution soon for my world's so they wont need the Youtube DLL or whatever it is that is breaking it.
Sick of my music visualizer not working.
tacit plank
The "Send RPC" PlayHaptics is very weak, and it only lasts for an instant
polar jasper
You could use another service like Vimeo, even though their selection is much lower than what youtube have
tacit plank
The function takes parameters, but the SDK doesn't seem to allow any
Or rather, make use of them I guess. Is the solution just spamming RPC calls?
red egret
VRChat website not working?
sharp saddle
System broke it.
opal haven
If the servers are down, would explain why I'm in an endless loop of downloading a world just to join.
wispy gulch
Cannot read property 'filter' of undefined
mighty cradle
the what
wispy gulch
looks like some javascript issue
yas
error TypeError: Cannot read property 'filter' of undefined
at t.exports (index.js?build=build-12-06-19-general-harry-house:1)
hah, the bot deleted it?
rough pulsar
The bot isn't the sharpest spoon in the knifebox
wispy gulch
so it looks like the friends data base filter is horking about onlineFriends is empty : onlineFriendIds: t.payload.data.onlineFriends.filter(function(e)
rough pulsar
Site's taking a long time to load for me, they might be doing something to the backend?
sharp saddle
I blame System.
wispy gulch
did someone create an account named ";little bobby drop tables"?
dark harness
I am 100% doing something stupid to the backend right now, yes
We deployed some fun new stuff
un-deployed some fun new stuff
Now we're looking at re-deploying that fun new stuff
vestal pier
any word on what that fun stuff be
rough pulsar
More importantly, what's the probability hot dogs will be involved with this deployment?
dark harness
I'm trying to fix the "friends" UI on the right-hand-side
dark harness
Also: no hot dogs, only tacos
rough pulsar
I am disappointed, but it's not friday yet so that's tolerable.
mighty cradle
apparently, i am good at creeping people out
tacit plank
Any way to call multiple RPCs while avoiding spam?
mossy cloud
ay guys! New to VRChat but really excited to be a part of it. Have you guys been to any of the events?
dark harness
_>
velvet quarry
Well, the website hasn't exploded just yet atleast
Slightly more colorful
Might be about to explode now though~
placid umbra
:D
slate verge
new update! poggers
rigid crescent
- Added "My Avatars" page. For now, this just lets you view your own avatars, but in the future it may allow you to manage your avatars on the site that gives me the idea of just allowing you to "permit" avatars to users via the website 👀
vernal forge
Update , no more stalking on website
rigid crescent
which would probably be significantly easier
vocal shard
sharp saddle
Fooniiiii.
tacit plank
The update seems cool and all but why does the VRChat desktop debug not work anymore? FPS, console log, etc.
slate verge
hi strix
coarse rock
tupper gang
scarlet flare
hey tupp, website bug reports can go on the canny right?
rigid crescent
- Offline friends display how long they've been offline 
covert chasm
Sure, please tag them with [Website] or something
scarlet flare
sure thing :)
minor charm
when can we be able to send messags in vrc?
upbeat dust
hmm where does it say how long someone's been offline?
gilded spade
So, by more information, they mean "online in VRCHAT" Really? Why can't it say what world?
vocal shard
I think messages in VRChat would be hard for VR users but still might be a good idea
dark harness
@gilded spade because that's a separate database call. I'm working on it.
minor charm
I know on hte website, if you click on a user, and type "/message" the message feature pops up but no one gets any
gleaming kraken
nice! liking the new site
mighty socket
Great update to the site all around! The only thing that immediately stands out is what George Rosebush mentioned, less info on the friends list, but if that's in the works, then awesome job all around.
Looking forward to when more of this stuff is implemented in client too!
gleaming kraken
so what is the heat scale? is 3 small or big?
tacit plank
Ah, thanks. I don't have an English keyboard though, I doubt backtick exists as a single key
scarlet flare
a way to add a brief message to an invite request would be hella useful. I know it's in the API and TCL and I talked about the.... difficulties of efficient VR keyboard/text entry
vocal shard
A message system would be better than taking off your headset to check a discord message considering most headsets don't have visors
dark harness
3 is medium 😉 like, "sriracha", but not "habanero" or "bell pepper"
gleaming kraken
ahh
covert chasm
pff sriracha is 2 fires at best
scarlet flare
lol
dark harness
I'm a spice baby
scarlet flare
but what about tiger sauce though 😂
covert chasm
i was too until an unfortunate incident with an authentic chinese hot pot place and about 200 kilos of szechuan peppers
rancid vessel
Dang.. Glad you guys added the friends list count thing. I didn't know i had 629 friends added..
vocal shard
I should check
torn nebula
huh... where's this desktop notification option? nothing looks like it changed to me (maybe cloudflare is caching the old version?)
vocal shard
Too many people I don't play with anymore are on my friend's list
placid umbra
upbeat dust
srsly tho, i can't see anywhere how long someone's been offline...
gilded spade
Also, why does the website log me out almost every refresh, or really every few minutes? Can't I stay logged in?
torn nebula
hmm, no, looks like there's a stale cache somewhere
dark harness
I think I might have broke that just before we pushed
upbeat dust
oof. okay
mighty socket
Don't forget to click the little bell icon to be notified whenever I release a cool new video, and smash that like button
placid umbra
D:
scarlet flare
several people are typing
upbeat dust
I'm sure 400 of my friends haven't been on the last ... 2 years.
dark harness
@gilded spade do you, uh, change IP addresses often? Our authentication tokens might be a hot dog and not a taco / bound to IP address
velvet quarry
The amount of time people have been offline does appear to be a bit incorrect at the moment, someone I hanged out with a few hours ago are listed as 2 days ago.
vocal shard
you know what's not broken? moistcr1tcal on twitch (someone may get it)
gleaming kraken
how do you guys got so many friends?! i only have 10!
vocal shard
I don't even know
gilded spade
No, I don't
torn nebula
yeah clearing browser cache didn't help, things look like they did pre-update :/
dusky mesa
why does VRChat use up so much RAM now? It didn't use to before
vocal shard
I only play with about six of my friends
scarlet flare
oh actually something I've been meaning to ask for a while, since I'm here, how does the server handle VPN connectivity?
placid umbra
Try holding shift, then clicking refresh
scarlet flare
are vpn's frowned upon, devs?
vocal shard
I'd guess only to evade IP bans
scarlet flare
just don't spam ip changes then?
covert chasm
personal opinion warning: being on the internet without a vpn nowadays is simply unwise all around
scarlet flare
because when I'm using chrome I have a script that rotates ip every 30 minutes
but I disable it in vrc
covert chasm
that is not a vpn, that is a proxy
upbeat dust
483 visits in my private world 👀 how did that even happen
vocal shard
I should've honestly used a VPN one time but a guy was only IP tracking to fuck with me because he thought I was dumb
scarlet flare
no-no tupp
tacit plank
VPNs reuse IPs though right?
scarlet flare
it's nordvpn with a custom ahk
covert chasm
oh i thought you meant a chrome extension
tacit plank
So if you hit a banned IP you might get in trouble too
torn nebula
did the shift-refresh thing
vocal shard
Pretty sure VPNs mask your ip
covert chasm
With another IP
tacit plank
Besides that, VPNs are great I guess (if they don't sell your hisory of course)
vocal shard
I haven't used a VPN in forever. Only to access Discord at school
gleaming kraken
hang on, why do all my worlds show a report of 1? even my private home world has 1
torn nebula
after a cache clear + shift-reload, this is what I see: https://imgur.com/a/EtAFjMB - no push notifications button
vocal shard
- Offline friends display how long they've been offline where is this? I don't c it 🤔
tacit plank
I think it's a bug, everything has 1 report
vocal shard
Just use an incognito tab and no one can sell your history 😎
vast tulip
I use a VPN as well, I actually noticed an improvement in vrc all around using one because the routing is just better too
true timber
doesn't seem like the "offline since _____" feature works very well, if at all for most people. Even after trying different browsers everyone still just shows up as Offline to me without a last active date. For someone else I know they're able to see it, but someone that they just saw a few days ago has been marked as offline for over a month which isn't right.
tacit plank
The API's "last online" thing is bugged, I hope you're not using it for the currect "last offline time"
upbeat dust
System said it broke oof
tacit plank
It seems to always show about 10 days ago for my online friends, at least last I checked it
scarlet flare
(Off topic) Btw, Tupp, if I get flipptripp to come with me to twitchcon when are we gonna see you? 😂
vocal shard
offline is offline, makes sense
covert chasm
@vocal shard got broke right before we pushed live, system is on it
vast tulip
whew, ok, does anyone know how to change the notification sound? or is that not possible?
mighty socket
Have you always been able to edit all of the info of worlds from the website, or is that new?
dark harness
Offline friends display how long they've been offline
yeah I'm not sure this is working right. I should have it doing something less silly by tomorrow
rigid crescent
Why would you add something so heartbreaking ;-;
covert chasm
notification sound is dependent entirely on your browser's implementation of desktop notifications
vocal shard
cool beans, thanks guyze
dark harness
@mighty socket that's "this year" new but not "this patch" new
tacit plank
Not it can be like my Steam page
clear nacelle
what does sdk do?
tacit plank
"Last login: 2819 days ago"
mighty socket
Ah, I never noticed it before. Useful stuff, thanks!
covert chasm
@tacit plank some of my wow friends have been listed as offline for 13-14 years 🙃
scarlet flare
I feel like last login is just gonna make alot of people sad ahh
vocal shard
Pretty sure you use the SDK for Unity for avatars and worlds
clear nacelle
??
vocal shard
upbeat dust
"see you tomorrow" - last online 2 years ago
vocal shard
If you don't understand it's likely not important to you
tacit plank
I think I made my trigger too fast, outputlog growing by 500 lines a second.
Woah, that's an old Steam account!
covert chasm
scarlet flare
is that a custom avatar?
dark harness
:seinfeld: what is the DEAL with the SDK
mighty socket
Is the information stored of when exactly you friended specific people? That would be something cool to know.
scarlet flare
that would be amazing
dark harness
🤔 that WOULD be cool to know, but we don't have that anywhere in the database
scarlet flare
I know that's been on the canny
tacit plank
I'd like a note thing, I feel bad when I forget people
vocal shard
kramer hacks the sdk
dark harness
"Jerry, it's like a GIRL, but also a CARTOON"
mighty socket
I assume when you friended people would be conceivably found in (local) logs, but that would be a hassle to dig through. Thanks for the answer
tacit plank
But fetching MB of custom user info on startup might be a bad idea?
vocal shard
"I can touch it, but I can't feel it, Jerry"
tacit plank
I can already see the user moderations file taking up too many resources
dark harness
We had to move user-to-user moderations to their own server, there were so many
vocal shard
'We had all these features but there was shrinkage'
pure hemlock
Nice update but the user info in the user cards are off center for me on my monitor and it hurts me
dark harness
The user info in the user cards should be 4:3 and I can't stop staring at it
tacit plank
Actually I have a more important question, do you randomly visit private worlds and judge us?
mighty socket
How soon until we get a "Read at 4:21 AM" notice on sent notifications?
dark harness
@tacit plank I would never. I don't even randomly visit Public worlds
scarlet flare
i mean, just using (DbCommand command = new SqlCommand("ALTER TABLE vrc_friends; ADD friended_date DATETIME NOT NULL"))
vocal shard
Or are you undercover?
upbeat dust
hmm will we be able to sort people by their time offline?
scarlet flare
ez pz
vocal shard
i swear i only use the avatar because it makes bartending better at the Pug!
tacit plank
I had two people in a private world of mine once and it got me wondering. Glad to hear though
upbeat dust
i mean... 400+ friends...
pure hemlock
Should just left align them imo, or make the sidebar a fixed width on desktop
dark harness
😃 it sideloads all of your friend info in the background, which should allow me to implement friend filtering, friend search, friend sort, I hope?
tacit plank
"friended_date NOT NULL" it doesn't exist for all the friends you've currently added, so I think that would go wrong?
covert chasm
remember that "just" is a bad word
dark harness
we don't even use SQL
pallid cape
vrchat.net didn't updated yet?
upbeat dust
just....ice
scarlet flare
well, youd end up with a datetime of System.NOW for anything moving forward from current time so that would be odd
vocal shard
vrchat.net is superior to vrchat.com
velvet quarry
I've been using vrchat.net since mid 2017 and you can't stop me
Stuff is updated there for me anyway
pallid cape
dude im always use vrchat.net 😃
tacit plank
Why is it there? You could redirect I guess
scarlet flare
listen tupp i can meme if i want
covert chasm
if a meme is so ironic that you can't tell its ironic, it is no longer ironic
pure hemlock
So is the plan that VRChat users will be able to see me online via the web app at some point, and be able to send me invites/messages, which I will get via push notifications?
vocal shard
vrchat.net has an easter egg that gives you access to vrchat admin things
scarlet flare
mmm
upbeat dust
hmm doesn't show friends time offline on .com, but it does on .net
placid umbra
If it were my choice we'd force everyone with a redirect to vrchat.com
vocal shard
Take over the team
dark harness
^ we've been meaning to do that for a while (that being the redirect)
vocal shard
Good thing it’s not your choice then
placid umbra
So many times, people send me .net links where I'm not logged in
scarlet flare
sorry then... i was hoping you remembered out talk about any "jabs" i make are simply because i am a coder, and i dont mean anything by it
velvet quarry
Maybe you should log in on VRChat.net then!
scarlet flare
mostly a "preaching to the choir" kind of thing. your team is more than capable
placid umbra
why would there be two websites with different cookies
tacit plank
Spamming PlayHaptic RPC calls because you'd probably need 20 calls to get the controller to actually vibrate
vocal shard
Because yes
dark harness
Yeah, having vrchat.com and vrchat.net is a gigantic pain in the cookie
covert chasm
velvet quarry
all of my things are setup to work with .net please don't take it away D:
covert chasm
i ended up telling my password manager "no, stop it, these are the same sites"
tacit plank
Devs chatting is amazing
velvet quarry
i'll have to spend an entire 10 minutes fixing it
vast tulip
did this update effect how quickly your friends list updates in app?
or just on the website?
covert chasm
no, this update does not affect the vrchat application in any way, shape, or form
plush kettle
Oh, there's a .com!
tacit plank
You mean I won't have to minimize and maximize "online friends" a good 15 times to force an update?
Edit: Nvm
scarlet flare
so you said that SQL isnt being used?
pallid cape
https://i.imgur.com/jQ6t3Cc.jpg new site design on phone and quest looks worse than old one
placid umbra
Eventually the goal is to have these instant updates in the client, yep
scarlet flare
please tell me you're not using Mongo
vast tulip
ah ok, I hope soon! :P
vocal shard
Can you do that with Steam?
covert chasm
we store all user data in plaintext files, ROT13'd for high security, written to tape drives connected to an atari 5200 /s
scarlet flare
ahh good
merry bloom
Lol
tacit plank
For double the strength, apply ROT13 twice
scarlet flare
in the deepest freezers of Antarctica, i assume?
mighty socket
The sarcasm tag makes me worried you don't even secure it that much 👀
vocal shard
Would be better if it was connected to a magnovox odyssey
So where do I go to read about the latest update?
velvet quarry
transferred safely over IPoAC
covert chasm
the latest update is not a client update, it is a website-only update
you go to #announcements to read about it
dark harness
We don't have a database at all, I just write everything down really really quickly
scarlet flare
IPoAC 🤔
vast tulip
(to be fair, updated like this can effect the client without a client update!)
small wing
Can we eventually get a button on the website that removes all friend's that have been offline for a set time?
mighty socket
Smart thinking. How many monkeys have you employed to do all of that log keeping?
frigid tulip
now to wait till offline date works REEEE
dark harness
just the one but it's really big
merry bloom
I want the actual game to have these updates as well
dark harness
me toooooo
mighty socket
Does being big help him write fast enough? Probably cheaper than a hundred very tiny monkeys
small wing
It's gotten so bad that I have crashed a lot in the past opening my offline friends tab. I hardly even know most of them. 😦
People add me and then never talk.
vast tulip
System, were you the one like, 3 years ago, who had the "Admin" account name with the "at work" sign? whoever that was always used that 🤔
velvet quarry
Solution: Don't accept them :v
dark harness
🤔
small wing
The damage is already done Afro.
scarlet flare
Would you like website bugs in "client reports?"
dark harness
@vast tulip : maybe?
small wing
Now i just need a way to remove em
vast tulip
it was like "floor is wet" sign, but, it was saying you were at work
dark harness
Me and Dan both wore that sign everywhere
vocal shard
@vast tulip I like your idea of having notifications for specific groups only, people with big friendlists get spammed so hard
tacit plank
I had a "wet paint" sign to go with my wet paint shader on my avatar
vocal shard
I was reading a lot of recent posts saying movement and facial gestures are very janky and unnatural nowadays due to recent updates. Is that an accurate assessment?
dark harness
Yeah, I haven't got it working with Fav Friends yet, but it'd make sense to only have the option to push notifications for favorite friends to avoid the crush of HEY! LISTEN!
vast tulip
yeah. I'm not sure if the API even knows the favorite friend groups even exist though
or if its just a local organization thing?
vocal shard
yes awesome
scarlet flare
I assume System is the one primarily on web duty?
mighty socket
My phone notification is actually Navi
dark harness
The API knows - they're saved to the API - but the website doesn't know about 'em yet
tacit plank
Rather than groups of friends (which are limited and such) how about custom tags?
vast tulip
yeah, the notifications are great but I had to turn it off already because it was going non stop :x
merry bloom
Who’s getting the Valve Index June 28th pre order
vast tulip
I had no idea people were logging on and off so much
covert chasm
I'm getting mine tomorrow @merry bloom 
tacit plank
Like "friend" "favorite" "barely know" or whatever players choose
dark harness
Yeah, I'm one of the three people who handle all of the server stuff, which extends from website to ops to databases to... lots of stuff
scarlet flare
Okay would you rather the report on the canny under client reports, or somewhere else?
It's a visual bug
merry bloom
@covert chasm same! The controllers will work fine with the valve knuckles controllers right ?
dark harness
^
scarlet flare
okie dokie
mighty socket
Does it send a new notification every time a friend switches worlds? It seems way more frequent than just logging on and off
placid umbra
covert chasm
@merry bloom that's the cool thing about lighthouse-based systems, you can mix and match HMD and controllers
so yes, you could use your index HMD with EV3/DV Index controllers
placid umbra
Link above, a dedicated section for website bug reports
covert chasm
or Vive wands, if you're a weirdo
vast tulip
I hope we can someday set a screenshot on avatars and worlds from the website 8)
dark harness
@mighty socket ... it shouldn't, but it might
covert chasm
i believe it does, actually
merry bloom
I’m trying to get rid of my Vive D**** controllers
velvet quarry
Back in the day, people did show up as offline quite a bit when changing worlds
Sounds a bit familiar
merry bloom
I mean wand
vast tulip
@velvet quarry if you swap worlds now, it now shows you as in that next world to anyone who happend to check, even if you arent loaded in yet
mighty socket
I'm getting a loop of repeating online notifications from the same 5 people, though it shows them as still in the same world as they were in
polar jasper
Oh, this the subdomain the a new thing? Not seen it before @placid umbra (feedback)
merry bloom
Does the Vrchat Team ever play in public worlds?
polar jasper
yes they do
dark harness
🤔 their status might legitimately be oscillating between offline and online while they're just chilling in one room
that could happen on a slow connection, I think?
merry bloom
Do you guys have a different color on your name tags?
covert chasm
we can do so optionally, but we rarely turn it on
polar jasper
Could that be mitigated by doing a check when last notification was sent System?
placid umbra
Yep, that subdomain is new
sharp saddle
Tupper, you need to visit Pugs more often.
polar jasper
Nice, updating my bot then 👍
sharp saddle
And not the West version.
dark harness
@polar jasper : we do a check when last notification was sent, but we only stop repeat "online" notifications for 2 minutes
I think that we might need to look at room transitions more closely, I think there's something in there that's causing an "offline" status for a short while
polar jasper
Seems to be bugged then. Seen the same person go on and off 6+ times in a short time
dark harness
I think that you might actually technically be "offline" while you're between worlds, which....
... >_>
... isn't exactly what we want
mighty socket
Does the check only apply to browser notifications, but not in-site notifications? I see people constantly shifting around on the friends list, and I'm getting online notifications on the site more often than the browser is showing them
polar jasper
Hehe sure hope not xD
merry bloom
That never happens to me
covert chasm
I usually hop through public CL worlds to see what's new
scarlet flare
Bug report complete
mighty socket
Gotcha, that's what I was asking
dark harness
👍 thanks
silver temple
i smell like poptarts
dark harness
I've got a lot of stuff to fix tomorrow morning >_>
silver temple
goodluck
scarlet flare
Mine should be very straightforward, just a private instance visual bug
"just" is dangerous, i know
dreamy cliff
just keep getting login loops is that anyone else?
mighty socket
I'm still struggling to notice any patterns with which users send what type of repeat online notification, and how often 👀 Seems pretty inconsistent
polar jasper
See what you mean with the 2 min check now @dark harness https://i.imgur.com/zCtojNL.png
merry bloom
Is Vrchat making money? Or spending money to keep the servers going?
polar jasper
They spend and get founding from other companies
dark harness
I'm curious how people think we'd be making money. A monetization strategy that's so subtle that you don't even notice
wouldn't that be great 😛
ornate garnet
They received funding from HTC back in 2017
scarlet flare
yeah the recently active friends thing is popping like crazy
mighty socket
Wow, I've been playing VRC for four hours straight and when I took off my headset, I was $20 short! Weird
polar jasper
Just add ads on the website ;D
ornate garnet
Over $4m just from HTC
scarlet flare
I suspect it's seeing world changes as an "offline/online" state change
ornate garnet
And then other investments from different sources
mighty socket
Integrate ads into actual worlds, pay users a nickel to add a Fallout 76 billboard to their bar /s
scarlet flare
but like rakqoi said it feels very inconsistant
polar jasper
You forgot a thumbs down Aev
coarse rock
and see if you guys wanna get super creative, throw ads on ads 
ornate garnet
Giving away company secrets and shit
mighty socket
System was censored by the HTC overlords
ornate garnet
Let me be your underwriter please
I want to sell all of the stocks to myself and be the majority shareholder
dark harness
(Scopz is Elon Musk confirmd)
ornate garnet
😉
tacit plank
"A monetization strategy that's so subtle that you don't even notice"
Sounds scary
You can convert peoples conversations to text and sell the logs
mighty socket
Buy stocks, become majority shareholder, tweet something racist, stocks drop, buy the rest of the stocks. Success!
merry bloom
He would have the time to join this server and type here pretending to be a player
merry bloom
Or the Vrchat team can start making avatar models and sell them
mighty socket
Minecraft skin pack flashbacks
vocal shard
S T O N K S
ornate garnet
Once I'm majority shareholder I make the rules. All avatars are now knuckles
vocal shard
Stop
ornate garnet
We did it boys
mighty socket
Cute anime girl knuckles please
ornate garnet
Tupper will be the queen
tacit plank
No knuckles, not again
lavish kraken
Knuckles 2: electric boogaloo
tired dirge
l 4 friends
tacit plank
Just saw a guy with 505 materials
tacit plank
Also had like 300 meshes
mighty cradle
why
tacit plank
And the average polygons in the room seems ot be about 150k. My fault for going to a public world
tacit plank
What do you mean? Just saying the statistics of VRChat users in this room
vestal sleet
hello does someone have a link to the just dance world
tacit plank
Somebody remade lolicatgirls.swf in VRChat, amazing
storm stag
Is it me or is the Push Notification just keeps looping notifications that my friends are online in the VRC website.
polar jasper
It's not looping it, but the user appearing offline for a brief second and going online again (2 min between each notification atm)
dark harness
Figuring out what's causing that looping is a high priority for oooool' System
I was thinking of implementing a longer cooldown - like, ten minutes - on "offline" transitions on the server-side, but it seems like that'd just cause you to get spammed with online/offlines every 10 minutes rather than every 2
polar jasper
While you are on that, I see 500 errors on the /time api
dark harness
maybe you have to be offline for ten whole consecutive minutes before it gives up on you
mighty cradle
or have a "in limbo" notifier
dark harness
... 500 errors on the TIME API?
mighty cradle
basically: system is not sure X is connected, ie they could be stuck on loading, or offline
dark harness
That's some right bullshit right there, time doesn't do anything except look up the time and return it
there's a state for you. online, active, offline, and ¯_(ツ)_/¯
polar jasper
brisk plover
dark harness
that's very curious. I don't see it in logs on my side, either - I log all of the endpoints and status codes - which means that the 500 might be coming from an intermediary like the load balancers
oog, my wife is glaring at me
if I don't stop work by nine I get the glares
polar jasper
Can send you the output log
dark harness
🤔 I'd leave it for now. I'm gonna have to go spelunking for weirdness in the balancers to try to find the 500 on my end either way
polar jasper
Okey, i'll keep a back up of it just in case then
dark harness
I think that the HTTP library might just pile arbitrary network weirdness into the 500 bin, which,
if it does that
A) it's almost certainly my fault
and
B) it should stop doing that because it's confusing
tulip wave
hello
polar jasper
Ah, could be yeah. Oh well, you go off "work" for the day then 😛
sonic verge
i wanna ask about one of the new updates points if anyone can explain please
"Users that are on the website but not in-app are now displayed"
what does this mean exactly when i log into the website?
hard escarp
I dont know
polar jasper
It will show that you are logged into the website and not in the game
tall hound
i have these 500 errors mostly every time I'm tabbed out
simple shore
¯_(ツ)_/¯
midnight zodiac
i think the game is down
rain isle
yeah unable to login for uploading stuff
honest narwhal
minor charm
Is the game down?
marble lintel
seems like it
pure sparrow
polar jasper
It's up
tight elm
Looks like it was a minor hiccup. It's up for me as well. Still waiting to know 100%.
polar jasper
yeah, just a hiccup that prevent the avatar api to load. Your stuff isn't gone
vale palm
avatar servers broken?
Cant upload anything keep getting bad gateway/log in via settings menu
sharp saddle
Servers borked.
stoic trellis
again? ffs
celest lion
new update?
stoic trellis
nah, probably another salty script kiddy at it again
it happens
anyone else's Nitro emotes gone?
vocal shard
I just ran into a VRChat error where it's a white screen telling me to try a different world and then restart the game if it doesn't work. Seems rare
vocal shard
Oof
night lava
some servers dont let you use other servers emojis
stoic trellis
that's a thing now? GROSS!
night lava
mmmmhm
sweet belfry
cant load into any avatar
stoic trellis
my game is just spazzing out right now, currently waiting it out ™
brazen zephyr
scarlet flare
did someone break custom homes again?
stoic trellis
i wonder if they have servers in the north west USA, we've had some awful weather here tonight
just a thought
placid umbra
Hey all, we're aware and looking into it right now.
stoic trellis
welp, oh nice, cheers mate
pastel cape
is Vrchat is down ?
humble forum
yup
balmy acorn
theyre fixing it
rigid crescent
:3 i keep thinking im getting a dm from tupper and losing my shit
scarlet flare
oof
vital rune
cirno announcement
west raft
wait eggshell do i know you
shadow sparrow
And did they even noticed the generic avatars not working properly atm? =-=
slate verge
whats wrong with the generic avatars
minor locust
oofies
shadow sparrow
Movement no animation
Only local, you can see them but not for others
Like, fail to network them
slate verge
well if announcement is true then yes
shadow sparrow
People see your generic avatar sliding stand idle as you move
It has been half a month
slate verge
i think that might have been due to your connection then
west raft
this is so sad.hey @minor locust play lucid dreams by juic wrld
rigid crescent
definitely never seen that
shadow sparrow
No, ask everyone who worked hard on generic avatars
west raft
lol
minor locust
omg
west raft
louder for the people in the back
minor locust
it's ALIXA
pastel galleon
that's not just generic avatars, it's like the first minute when avatars finish loading
west raft
thats what i said
minor locust
oofies
slate verge
yeah as far as i know avatar slides only when people loaded in for the first few seconds
west raft
big oofers right there alica
minor locust
ALIXA
west raft
calm down alickya
minor locust
Knhdndnuun
west raft
woah listen have your stroke alex then come talk to me
minor locust
omg
west raft
dabs in japanese
minor locust
west raft
👻
shadow sparrow
💢
queen mango
#general-media please?
grand zealot
lol it's this guy @west raft
minor locust
yikes
shadow sparrow
You guys never play generic avatars today?
west raft
this is general speaking my freind
shadow sparrow
Even till today, I mean
west raft
you cant tewll me how to live my life you bulli
shadow sparrow
And you already judge right away saying we're wrong
queen mango
Well, this is chat for VRChat-related things. This isn't the right place to make love.
minor locust
LMaO
west raft
well vrchat is down so people gotta chat somewhere
slate verge
listen to the mod
shadow sparrow
I am talking about VRC stuff anyway
minor locust
west raft
if i get banned i love all yall
pastel galleon
by "generic" do you mean the grey robots?
polar jasper
Generic, non humanoid
west raft
no like the public avatars in your menu
minor locust
ban
shadow sparrow
So yeah, generic avatars were working fine till half a month before the new SDK released and the latest Unity update, they all broke suddenly, like, real time, ingame. They stopped working at network, so everyone sees you using generic avatars only playing idle stand while sliding around. Only your client, local, only you, can see them still animating. This concludes there was a network error prelude to the current state now... 🤔
@pastel galleon Generic avatars like feral dragons, wolves, foxes, bears, other creatures
west raft
ohh
shadow sparrow
Even humanoid-looking avatars can be generic
vocal shard
Someone stop hitting vrchat off it’s so not wholesome
pastel galleon
I haven't seen them that often but they were always broken for me lol
west raft
i miss old vrchat
shadow sparrow
It is the term we do not use Humanoid rig that is already a prefab for VR and IK
polar jasper
@shadow sparrow they are aware and looking into it https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/non-humanoid-keyframes-in-custom-movement-animations-not-synced
shadow sparrow
@pastel galleon That is the thing now, they are broken now
@polar jasper Ty, no announcement for it here, though TT^TT
polar jasper
They don't really need to announce every canny update. You have to go look yourself or "vote" for it to get notifications
mighty eagle
its vrchat dying
west raft
mighty eagle
i hate this every time i play vrchat its broken
shadow sparrow
(And I am triggered not many know generic avatar term vs humanoid avatar term even today 👀 💢 )
Tysm Phaxe, I be sure to check in Canny now and then. Finally we might get generic bones on humanoid fix too!
Then we can make centaurs and arachne better!
And fully animated snake person
true sky
anybody i try join off of, i keep getting sent back to the vrchat home
queen mango
You could just merge those two accounts together.
carmine zephyr
I need see if a canny request exists for not dumping your login data if it was "entered wrong" because I don't know anyone who enjoys typing their username/password with laser pointers
polar jasper
#announcements Legooman
mighty eagle
i dont need my steam account on vrchat i need delete that
because now vrchat ask me log in everyday
vital rune
servers still fucked?
vocal shard
seems like it, could log in but my friends are offline while my favorites are online and couldnt even upload my new avatar
I could get into a friend's session after a few times
celest lion
yep server messed up
storm mesa
unique pelican
anyone can tell me whats up with url based video players? it's like impossible to play any music!
midnight zodiac
probably doesnt help that the game is broken rn
polar jasper
Youtube updated something on their side, so VRChat has to update their library tooo
storm stag
Is it me or the VRChat website just rolled back their updates.
polar jasper
Yes, they did. The update to it was causing some issues
storm stag
Hmm. I kinda like the new Update.
Then again the push Notification keeps looping me the same person online. over and over.
covert chasm
Yep, had to roll back some things, we'll loop back around on it tomorrow 
polar jasper
System error 😅
heavy sequoia
was wondering why is saw nothing new on the website, exited to check it out tomorrow though
mighty eagle
i hate hackers REEE
languid beacon
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 4932 users in VRChat currently
storm stag
I see.
hollow breach
I like turtles
minor locust
oofies
stray temple
Huhh, hope friend systemback on full function tomorrow...
sonic verge
the website update really reminded me how long ive been playing holy dang, 608 people in my friends list
was thinking why im seeing the old ver website again, whats causing it to be reversed???
robust cobalt
New update broke something on vrc so it had to be reversed for the time being
hot prairie
Why does VRChat lag out and go to a black screen while the desktop mirror is perfectly fine?
lone scroll
have the new website changes be reverted ?
umbral reef
lone scroll
its nice to see them keep their tradition of releasing updates that break things
rain vessel
hello
vocal shard
elo
daring bison
vocal shard
u guys suck lol
jovial onyx
Hi everyone. I'm just making vrchat moment video in #vrchat-videos
it's a about how I roll-play as a daughter in vrchat and it's fun ^ ^
north axle
*role-play
rotund wren
She rolls around as someones daughter
coral lagoon
why is the website back to its old layout?
meager solstice
Read announcements @coral lagoon
coral lagoon
Yea, there was the update, and then they said there were some issues
but that the issues are all fixed
still doesn't explain why the website went back to its old layout
glossy wharf
They reverted the websocket changes and thus reverted to old layout/website
meager solstice
Sorry, didn’t realize this tupper said they had to reroll something’s in general... thought he put the same in announcements
wise copper
Knuckles for first wave orders should have just start arriving to the masses.
crisp mango
Did someone try Pimax 5K(or8K) with Valve Index (or Knuckls) controllers?
I have tried. with 5KXR+KnucklesEV3.
In game controllers show correctly. but all of gestures are disabled. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-EkpKlVUAAuS9O.jpg
Of course already I tried with VivePro +EV3. It works correctly.
faint skiff
Looking forward to getting an Index to replace my OG Vive, shame about the colours, brightness and black levels though.
misty turret
@faint skiff I got a Samsung wmr, looking forward to the tracking, controllers and comfort, but the screen on the headset is beautiful. But all the other stuff out weigh color in the end.
faint skiff
Yeah, the massive bump in resolution due to panel and subpixel arrangement will likely negate any downsides there really. Still, I did like the outrageous contrast, even if it did often hurt after a while, lol.
misty turret
Seems like everyone going to the rgb lcd panels tho over omled
faint skiff
I guess OLED has too many other limitations to really be worth it.
misty turret
I hope the default cable is long enough or I'll have to buy some powered one. Was able to get away with non powered ones for the wmr.
vocal shard
Yeah, apparently the new fast switch LCD is more reliable than OLED when it comes to ghosting and blur. The pixles can change faster now on LCD.
faint skiff
Hence the 140Hz rate
vocal shard
👌
vocal shard
I found some reviews interesting on the index though. They said that while the FOV is rated higher, it's not wider than the Vive, it's taller
Teasty:
It's not based on time
You need to play vrchat and based on your activity, it will judge if you're an active player and let you upload
Other than that, it's unknown. They keep specific things like that a secret to avoid exploitation
glossy wharf
usually if you play actively you can get it between 24-48 hours
dense shore
thanks
meager solstice
@vocal shard really? The fov is interesting
near sky
@vocal shard Taller FOV -my mind immediately goes towards rooms with high ceilings, how that increases sense of.. scale? Feel of the room? Wonder about the higher-FOV precense impact -if there's anything special there
vocal shard
Yeah, that's what some on Reddit were saying. It isn't wider, but being able to see the floor and ceiling added more to immersion than they would have thought.
Although the IPD range was concerning. Some were saying that above 70, they were getting bad eye strain
meager solstice
I mean what is the ipd of the rift/vive
vocal shard
Yeah. Idk. Just someone with a rift went to the index and said they couldn't use it where as the rift was comfortable. Eh, there's always some negative reviews.
It's exciting for sure though
meager solstice
The rift is comfortable but I assume the index will be more comfortable
From what I’ve seen
vocal shard
Yeah
meager solstice
The thing I hate about the rift is the shitty foam it has
faint skiff
I think it's complicated in that the index's screen doesn't have a wider horizontal FoV, but because of the shape of the headset, you see more horizontal FoV (and that the vertical FoV is indeed bigger)
So going from a stock Vive to an Index is a decent FoV jump, if you have a modded (e.g. 6mm foam) Vive then there's only a small increase in H-FoV.
near sky
Seems about right
vocal shard
Would that be close to the DK2 fov though?
faint skiff
I've not used a DK2 personally so I couldn't say. But after switching to 6mm foam on a stock Vive, it honestly doesn't feel like binoculars anymore, it actually feels like I've reached the point where I don't feel it's "isolated" anymore, which is nice. Not bad for first gen. But looking forward to more lightness and comfort (I've got the original 1st gen Vive from before the weight reduction).
misty turret
Yeah going be cool, looking forward to more games taking advantage of the finger tracking
faint skiff
That too. I tend to spend 4-6 hours in VRChat at a time and there's definite wrist ache after holding the Vive controllers for that long with them being "tip weighted" so to speak.
misty turret
Yeah, well as nice as the Samsung headset was I went through two faulty wmr controller that either randomly turned off or just won't connect to blue tooth. The idea of letting go of the controller will be hard at first I think. Even more throwing stuff will be like uh please stay on the hand haha
vocal shard
Oh, for the wmr Controllers, that's usually due to batteries. Most rechargable batteries are actually 1.3v and always run the controllers under powered. I had that problem when using Energizer batteries. I switched to some 1.6v rechargable batteries and haven't had any wmr controller problems since. But too late now though. Lol
misty turret
@vocal shard truuust me I switch out to two different recchargables till I switched to ion batteries and one dummy battery, fixed issue on one controller set from turning off. The Samsung original ones still randomly turn off when using track pad movements. And the HP ones randomly won't connect to blue tooth.
Plus they both feel cheaply made lol
vocal shard
Weird. I have a Lenovo, Acer, and Samsung.
But yeah they are cheap, and being phased out. It's time to move on sadly 
Still like it better than my rift, but I want to upgrade
misty turret
Yeah again the headsets themselves are great, but the controllers could have been better made. Also tracking from side and behind or holding to high above your head. Comso looking nice for inside out tracking and it's 6 cameras lol
vocal shard
Cosmos on paper seems great, but because they seem to just by 1 upping everything... It doesn't build faith in them for me. If they had a set plan and we're straight forward, I would be more excited. But going "Rift S has 5 cameras, well look, we now redesigned with 6. Index is 1440x1600 per eye, look we're 1440x1700 per eye..."
It just seems weird
faint skiff
"Rift comes with 2 hand controllers, ours comes with 3! Oh wait..."
vocal shard
XD
lunar shell
Living too close to Valve shipping headquarters is actually worse. No shipping info for controllers and so many people living 5 days away getting theirs today.
faint skiff
I didn't realise that it was just a reservation rather than immediate order, so I, like an idiot, didn't reserve mine back when they became available. So now I'm at the back of the queue with all the scrubs 😦
wispy gulch
on the plus side, you avoided the first wave of defects?
idle nova
Well the first round of Pre-orders were an actual order
wispy gulch
i have my PC coming today, so i c an join y'all in particle glory, but i don't have a dedicated headset yet. it feels still early 😃
idle nova
As soon as they ran out and switched to reservation it was just a hold your spot button
New PC, nice, what specs?
wispy gulch
it's the razor blade pro 2080 - i needed a new dev box, might as well make it game friendly
faint skiff
@idle nova Ahh, that makes more sense. So that was probably it.
wispy gulch
an Insight like headset would be great for that. mobile office 😄
idle nova
Yeah, I did have to pay for the actual first round pre-order
languid beacon
Is there a way to use the presentation room markers in our own worlds? They are immune to network IK
vocal shard
wish there was a way to check your rank level specifically
languid beacon
There is
vocal shard
Not really
languid beacon
If you mean the raw value
Yeah it’s accessible via api apparently so it’s clearly not the big secret I’d assume they’d want it to be. But I suspect that was an oversight itself.
They really don’t want people figuring out how to game it
“Oh I earned 4 more blocks above trusted time to go annoy people” etc
vocal shard
yeah that's understandable
faint skiff
The levels do seem somewhat ironic given that the worst abuse of VRChat I've seen was always from purple and orange users.
rough pulsar
Some purple users are at the point where they'll just hide as green users because of that kind of mentality.
vestal pier
i disagree with the sentiment that higher ranked people give the most abuse, i think its even across the board
faint skiff
I've only been using VRChat for a week and a bit, and I've already been crashed out a half dozen times, had the whole graphical/ear rape thing happen probably several dozen times now, etc. It's... not ideal. Especially when there seems to be no way to report people because I've got no idea who's doing it the majority of the time.
rough pulsar
I think part of it is because with the default settings trusted users have pretty much everything turned on, so they're going to be disproportionately represented in cases of annoying shit, because you're more likely to be able to see it.
vestal pier
big brain: disabled everything
faint skiff
Actually I have set everything to be equal across all except for the white users.
So it's not that purples/oranges' have more permission.
rough pulsar
Keeping animations off is generally a good idea, because 99% of avatar shite is enabled by one.
faint skiff
What enables the "audio sounds like it's coming from you" feature?
Is that part of animations?
vestal pier
Sound and animations
faint skiff
I'd expect sound to be sounds that come from the avatar itself
vestal pier
The audio button disables audio from the avatar
but animations can have sound independantly
So basically disable both
vocal shard
Why it's says connection time out when i try to join?
faint skiff
I've been loathe to disable all this because it feels like it'll make the world a lot more boring, but if there's no other way to disable griefing then... (also, given the prevalence of grieving, why are these enabled by default and why do users have ranks when it doesn't actually seem to tie into how well behaved people are?)
vocal shard
oh that's why, i'm gettig ddosed
rigid crescent
How do you know it's a trusted user when you also say you don't know who did it?
Just turn off animations and like 99% of the crashes won't affect you
faint skiff
In the instances where I was able to figure out who was doing it, they were purple or orange. The last two "point and crash" people were both orange.
rigid crescent
something about that seems wrong
But yeah just turn off animations
For non friends.
rough pulsar
To answer those questions:
It doesn't make the world that much more boring. Plus you can force show a user's avatar if they say they've got some cool animations or whatever.
The disconnect between rank and behaviour is because rank is calculated by a set of monitorable actions, which while unknown as to exactly what counts for what and how, are limited to things that can be logged by VRC.
rigid crescent
And just gradually hit "show avatar" if you're talking to people who seem cool
faint skiff
Does "show avatar" enable all features for that specific user then?
vestal pier
Yes
frosty veldt
When are background checks gonna be part of the trust system? We could set up personality tests as well
rigid crescent
Also people weren't reporting users for the longest because even the devs said the button didn't do anything so once they fixed it no I knew
vestal pier
It even bypasses your performance settings
faint skiff
Ah. I assumed that was just for showing or hiding them entirely.
(given the name...)
vestal pier
That is what its for.. showing or hiding them entirely..
faint skiff
Right, but Mic just said to use "Show avatar" on people despite no-one mentioning having hidden them in the first place..
rough pulsar
There's three levels of avatar visiblity
rigid crescent
I did say turn off animations
rough pulsar
Hidden, safety settings, Shown
rigid crescent
Show avatar bypasses that
rough pulsar
Hidden replaces them with a default thing
Safety setting shows with your current settings
Shown shows everything
rigid crescent
Forced 2FA is the Holy Grail we need
faint skiff
Ah, I don't think I even noticed there being 3 options.
vestal pier
its weird because usually people hate 2fa, but its so necessary in vrchat that we are clambering for it
faint skiff
I'll lower everything and then just enable people slowly in future then.
Why does it need forced 2FA?
rigid crescent
Gimme that sweet "Approved" rank and let users make Approved only public world's
wispy gulch
these kids with sound boards and voice changers. pretty annoying. have had to mute more people.
faint skiff
2FA would be annoying for VR given that you'd have to come back out of VR every time you needed to log in again to be honest. They should just handle ban evasion outside of "at login time".
wispy gulch
i'm surprised there are so many females on vrchat considering how many guys are jerks (esp to other guys, wow)
vestal pier
how often do you need to log in anyway
wispy gulch
i wonder how many people try to game the system, and fail
rough pulsar
Whenever vrchat decides your login token has expired for absolutely no good reason
faint skiff
For registration, I'd be fine with
vestal pier
I have to login almost every time now, i assumed that was a bug because it never used to be that way
but i guess thats more widespread than i thought
polar jasper
It's a bug for sure, not everyone has it, but some do
rigid crescent
Yeah I haven't logged in in what feels like months outside of logging into an alt
vestal pier
the bug has actually spread over to discord now, i have to log in every time i launch
which is weird
my pc is just dying probably 😄
polar jasper
Then it's a registry issue
vestal pier
I do that nabutso
rigid crescent
Forced 2FA, UDON, and more dev streams are the Holy Trinity of VRChat developments we need
rough pulsar
It does make a small difference because blocks count towards trust rank
vestal pier
i used to report each one but i put that on hold until 2FA
which is when i assume a big ban wave is coming
faint skiff
UDON?
Noodles?
@vocal shard I ran into someone the other night with 128.7 million polys.
frosty veldt
This is reminding me how I haven't even been in a public in months
faint skiff
Is this why I'm having trouble finding people that aren't screaming children or griefers? I've left it too late to join the club and everyone that isn't a twat or pre-teen is now in private instances only?
boreal kelp
How would you say 'The Black Cat' compares to The Great Pug
faint skiff
More spacious, but more boisterous
lofty ridge
Hello,
boreal kelp
Never Have I Ever is the one world where I'm not a total mute
Great Pug and other places, I just walk around and am nervous about starting a conversation
faint skiff
Public "never have I ever" just seems like a way for people to fish for blackmail material, lol..
boreal kelp
Does VRChat have melee combat or tournament worlds yet
faint skiff
Latency would make it unusable for most people I'd imagine.
wispy gulch
have you seen the monocycle cross platform world? interesting dynamic.
rigid crescent
Luxerion 
languid igloo
For some reason my unity is really slow and like when I click on the vrchat upload tab. My unity freezes like its loading shit. When I didn't even hit build and publish
vestal pier
@vocal shard Timezones.
near sky
@vocal shard Timezones.
mighty cradle
is this a meme
languid igloo
Timezones
languid beacon
I’d love to use 2FA but there doesn’t seem to be anywhere you can use it without a phone which I don’t currently have
echo tiger
Hey guys 
languid beacon
Same reason I can’t use a quest.. brilliant idea to require a smart phone with no way to activate be web
umbral reef
Wait legit? You need a phone to get the quest to work?
idle nova
There's 2FA options that use things other than a phone, but not everything gives options
languid beacon
Yes you can’t do the initial set up on a quest without access to a smart phone
idle nova
I think Quest uses a phone app to manage account setup and initial WiFi connections
languid beacon
It’s a one time thing but it is required
idle nova
Do you have a friend that might let you borrow their phone for the setup?
idle nova
Yeah
umbral reef
The thing is
You can't have the PC be the 2fa as there are plenty of flaws with that
A phone is harder already and it's pretty much set in stone if they use a phone app instead of texting
idle nova
Some services will work with a USB key, email codes, or I've even used ones where I have a print out of one time use codes
polar jasper
You could use Authy, it only requires a mobile number to get the activation code. So don't need to be a smart phone
And it has a desktop app
umbral reef
Having a USB 2fa also works
But emails, sms and ECT are all far from perfect
idle nova
I've literally use my friend's phone as my 2FA and had him message me the code to setup an account because I was in a foreign country and didn't have access to texting
languid beacon
There is an ancient smart phone I could use for two factor but it’s so unreliable I feel like it’s going to brick at any time And people are really strict in never unlocking 2FA accounts so I won’t do it
idle nova
Ah yeah
near sky
Understandable.
idle nova
You can keep your number if your phone dies
lofty ridge
hey does anyone know where i could find some good vr chat communities
ruby needle
lofty ridge
thankyou very much!
polar jasper
You should also back up the 2FA code offline (on paper)
sullen sequoia
Anybody else having this issue? I'm not loading in anyones IKs.
lunar shell
frosty veldt
That's so gross lmao
mighty cradle
oh
lunar shell
?
wispy gulch
for setup and remote control
languid beacon
What’s the point of getting a non vrc account up to Trusted? I mean I guess you can merge at any time now so it’s not a total waste
umbral reef
Pretty sure there reason was bragging rights
languid beacon
I’d be super bored without any of my own uploads
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Wait.
How do you know it’s a steam account though
Can’t anyone add 4 hex digits after their name
frosty veldt
Don't see the point in faking but yeah
red egret
Anyone getting this? Just constantly loops when logging into the VRChat website https://i.gyazo.com/9c93ffc05e2ccfdfaee1329e421b6db5.mp4
umbral reef
Restart ya network
wispy gulch
back to the old website it looks like
umbral reef
They rolled back the changes yes but plan to push them tonight again
boreal kelp
I'm still under the 'new user' rank last time I checked on VRC. Does having "trusted" rank mean that people are more likely to approach you
umbral reef
Some will claim yes and others say it doesn't.
vocal shard
It's stoopid. I made a new VRC account and it's gonna be tough rebuilding a friend base after so long 'cause of the ranked shit.
But that's part of the fun I guess =)
Nah, I've been trusted for a long time, and I've experienced numerous people outright blocking the avatars of, or muting, New Users and Visitors.
It's definitely a divider, no matter what.
languid beacon
I never pay attention to rank. Ever.
vocal shard
Maybe I just hang around dicks ;)
languid beacon
I have trust features fully on for all ranks. I do hide Very Poor by default though
Ideally I’d like to only hide the animations of very poor avatars
pastel galleon
I've also seen that common behavior of trusted users acting like elites blocking and muting low ranks
languid beacon
That’s not common behavior that’s just default behavior that’s default settings
pastel galleon
coincidentally I get crashed by them most of the time
languid beacon
boreal kelp
I should probably trash that giant anime avatar I favorited a few weeks ago before I get in trouble someday
Problem with it is poor optimization
Oh yeah
Are dynamic bones better than weight painting clothes to bones manually?
frosty veldt
Better performance wise no, better functionality wise sometimes, depends on the clothes
umbral reef
Dbones are almost always then any other option
Proper weight paint with a few extra bones should be a lot less heavy then a few dbones
boreal kelp
From what I've seen on a few avatars that I have in my favorites, dynamic bones count against Avatar Stats ranking so I used a bit of weightpainting on my avatar's skirt
frosty veldt
You can always weight paint it for it's general movement and then have a bone or two that makes it move a little with dynamic bones
If you care to hit good or excellent you should treat dynamic bones as an absolute last case in a sense. Save it for things that really need it like hanging earrings, capes, and long dresses
boreal kelp
I haven't used dynamic bones at all. Was curious to know if they are better than weightpaint
frosty veldt
Better is a weighted word, dynamic bones are bad for performance but are the only way to make things on your avatar be dynamic for a lack of better words
placid umbra
Much, much worse
umbral reef
Just add some colliders and it's much much much much worse even 👌
placid umbra
Weight painting isn't as easy as adding some dynamic bone scripts, but the results are much better for perf. I've seen avatars that rely on weight painting tricks that end up looking way better than dynbone would
It's one of the things I really want to get better at
umbral reef
TBH
Weight paint almost always looks better when done even slightly right compared to most dbone versions.
idle nova
What, you don't want to look like your skin is made of jello?
frosty veldt
Just some things you can't do with weight painting but I need to incorporate it more where it can substitute
Anime girls now adays are all just slime girls in disguise with how much the reverberate when they move
idle nova
Best to do as much as possible with weight painting and then maybe throw in some minimal Dynbones
umbral reef
That one slime shader tho
Forgot who made it but it looked so dope
boreal kelp
I don't have any jiggle physics on my avatar either because CATS killed off the bones or because that takes extra work
slate rock
Does anyone know the time limit an a emote?
frosty veldt
@umbral reef the one that deformed when a mesh was inside it?
boreal kelp
But I did see a funny Ricardos Milos avatar in Never Have I Ever world with jiggle physics on his peen once
umbral reef
Yea
frosty veldt
Pretty sure it was patreon for poiyomi but I don't remember, looked really good though
umbral reef
Big odds it was him yea
gloomy remnant
i gotta find that milos avi once i get my full body set up
misty turret
Everyone using poiyomi shaders these days, aah I remember when cube was the shader lol