they didnt even test it with 5 people @meager solstice
#vrchat-general-2
elder prism
but that's the point
meager solstice
i mean its an early access game?
pastel galleon
I believe they didn't have time to test it properly, so they had to release it live
ruby needle
it is an early access game in alpha stage yes @meager solstice
pastel galleon
it's easy to say that, every game nowadays stays in alpha forever to cover their mistakes
ruby needle
whats more funny is that even big game titles release unfinished these days
subtle prawn
ruby needle
compared to this free to play game that is clearly stating it aint finished and is WIP
stuff can break (and will)
pastel galleon
it's a trend going on that I hope it'll stop
not the same case with vrchat ofc cause it isn't a big company like those
elder prism
i can understand alpha testing, but that comes with consequences of a declining population, that consisted of the people who were most interested in the app
pastel galleon
but still the community is giving input and they go on their own and break things
vocal shard
Hey
Please help, I am using the Oculus Rift S and I unmuted myself, is there anyway to see if my mic is working in game?
pastel galleon
all my group of friends and me included are waiting for the ik to get back into the game cause it's unplayable
elder prism
yeah just look at the bottom left
vocal shard
The icon is red when I speak
elder prism
if you dont see ur mic crossed off its working
pastel galleon
if it lights up it works
vocal shard
I unmuted myself in VR Settings but when I talk it does not light up
elder prism
if it has a bar across its not working
or just stand in front of a mirror, if ur avatar has lip sync, ur lips will move when u speak
vocal shard
Okay, Do you know any lip sync avatars?
elder prism
unity chan i think has lip sync
pastel galleon
yeah most of the default ones have it
vocal shard
Can I have an example
elder prism
unity chan is her name
elder prism
yeah is one of the default avatars
pastel galleon
it's in the avatars tab
vocal shard
Thank you
elder prism
also make sure ur mic is set to rift in ur windows settings
vocal shard
Is it ok If I set it to my Blue yeti or nah?
elder prism
well if ur having problems, best to start properly till its working right , then improvise
vocal shard
Thanks guys! Imma go now!
elder prism
gl!
for me, one of the biggest attractions of vrchat, was seeing all the cool avatars with their neat particle and shader effects, and awesome animations
i will be sad if all the artists start to leave
pastel galleon
Some of them will but, people already used to block animations/shaders/particles since the trust system update, this is nothing new. The only problem is distinguishing a crasher from someone with cool animations now
elder prism
personally, i think vrchat should be for high end users only
as it seems to me, that their biggest part of the community are the creators and admirers
pastel galleon
It's been attracting a lot of creators, but not everyone has a good pc so these optional blocking of stuff is essential to make it playable, even if it's not the best, imo you should be able to select what to hide individually instead of through ranks
brittle fern
Anything changed with this new IK update?
pastel galleon
No lol
brittle fern
FeelsWeirdMan
elder prism
ik seems to be the worst problem atm, if everyone is moving around all choppy like
but i guess if u play on pc, with no headset, it wont affect u
pastel galleon
In the latest beta it was decent, but it broke in live again
elder prism
do you guys play on vr or non?
pastel galleon
Yes
glad thicket
coinciding probably a quarter if not around half of the creators have low end pcs i cant see why having it high end only would help anything other then give people even less of a incentive to optimise
also it was about 2ish seconds faster but like last time that doesnt really work in live
elder prism
many games are for high-ish end pcs, it doesn't stop people from gettings better pcs
pastel galleon
I guess they still have to improve the servers or idk
I know people who play this game that are very poor, they can't afford a better pc
glad thicket
those games also have lots of settings to turn down graphics etc until then can run it
elder prism
i just mean, if u want to make a great game, sometimes it will require more than a toaster to play it
vr is one of the more demanding platforms, it should be expected
pastel galleon
I think it's unity that's just not great for performance
elder prism
but if ur going to make a vr game , that can run on ur phone too, you can't expect great things from it
cause your limited by optimisation
but i guess it IS called VRChat and not VR Create
pastel galleon
There are vr only games like this that offer more options
Vrchat is more user friendly in this case, having a desktop mode and many optimization options
elder prism
but desktop mode is great
tbh in all my time i hardly ever see any mobile users
maybe 1 or 2 here and there
quest users , arent really into the creative part, i havent seen many of them stick around
pastel galleon
I haven't really played that much since the ik update, I'll get back on it eventually but 4 seconds delay makes me puke
glad thicket
or like most of vrchat right now they are in private worlds
pastel galleon
Well even if quest users want to get creative they couldn't cause of the limits
elder prism
ya thats what i mean
pastel galleon
Yeah there's an increased number of people in private recently, worse when public worlds were avoided cause of hackers
elder prism
and now that i think of it, i HAVE seen quite an influx of horny bunnies and banana men
those were quest users lol
pastel galleon
Tf
elder prism
yeah in the main lobby
pastel galleon
Oh the default avatars there
elder prism
yeah lol
im a unity dev, so i actually love vrchat, cause creating stuff in there, taught me alot of things, about IK, shaders, particles, etc
just seems like everything lately, is kinda going backwards i dunno
pastel galleon
Yeah I like how the game makes you learn something about blender and unity, you end up learning a lot of interesting stuff just to get your avatar ready or get more creative
elder prism
yeah exactly, it definately sparked my creativity
mighty cradle
about time I win as murderer
did so solo, mostly preying on only the detective since he shot everything else first
who also happens to be the first "nuisance" i have ever seen
lone scroll
Murder Ranked when
please fix the shitty friends list
i added someone as a friend yesterday, today she isnt in my list, but im in hers
had to manually sent a friend request for it to update and work
how can you fuck up the basic system of "friends" that badly
misty turret
@lone scroll I am sure it's more complex then we think.
lone scroll
doesnt matter, its the most basic social requirement and its not working since months
every day the game gets worse
median basalt
They also broke where your voice comes from
It's a social VR game where they utterly broke the VR part with the new IK, and the social part gets more broken all the time as well. Voice prioritization is still fucked
misty turret
Personally I wish they would focus less on ways to block people's avatars and more on bugs that have been in the system since I started playing last year. But things are more complicated then we think. I know code can be tricky etc.. over all vrchat still allowed me to meet some of the best people ever. Regardless of it's flaws still love it lol.
lone scroll
funny thing is, the game at this point last year, was more enjoyable and worked better, no issues with any social stuff, fbt working very well, no audio issues
it literally got worse in every way
misty turret
I dunno I felt the IK seemed better last night, I haven't had any audio issues and they fixed video players. So it isn't aalll bad. But I am only speaking from my experience.
lone scroll
ik definetly is in a bad state, saw someone try to shuffle yesterday
and it looks like shit, they need to improve, fast
misty turret
They should just go back to the other IK leave quest on network IK
lone scroll
ye
lime tiger
am i the only one were your own and your favorite avatar list just won't show up? or only like for 1 min before they disappear since the update?
covert linden
@misty turret they were gonna switch to net ik eeven without the quest
misty turret
@covert linden yes when it was ready. But it is clearly not ready.
covert linden
@misty turret It NEEDS to be tested on full servers. It worked perfectly supposesly when they tested it without the stress
They cant make it perfect unless they use the current servers to do so
misty turret
I suppose, but I am more mad at the new ranking system and blocking of avatars system and random material slots even tho I've been using Tuppers method of texture atlasing for months now. Going from 4 materials to 10 due to invisible slots is annoying...among other things.
covert linden
Did you fully read the doc...?
lone scroll
¯_(ツ)_/¯
covert linden
It wont affect you. Its an opt in for low end systems so if your avatar is very poor ranked most desktop users arent going to hide very poor and only if their systems are bad. If your avatar is very poor. Work harder to optimize it. The bigger end is quest users the hard limit is now in stone and they cant see a lot more avatars. @misty turret
lone scroll
i think most people with a brain will hide very poor
who would willingly show avatars that decreae your fps on average
covert linden
Most people alike to the dynb limitor wont notice the setting
misty turret
People already use the safety system to block avatars by default.
lone scroll
hm true that
lone scroll
^
misty turret
It's more to the fact that many of my avatars went from good to medium or poor due to the new ranking system. You can't just say well this one thing is medium the whole avatar is there for medium.
lone scroll
im happy for that change, i personally will hide very poor by default because, it makes sense
misty turret
But very poor doesn't necessarily mean very poor...
lone scroll
it does in 9/10 cases
covert linden
Very poor is usually avatars that cause lag
lone scroll
just look at the public avatars by the same shitheads, tinkk, larens,kim, big ietc, al lhave 5k collision checks, 200k polys etc etc
im not going to miss out on anything by hiding every very poor avatar
covert linden
You only really need 1-2 meshes, and you dont need 200 dynamic bones
lone scroll
nothing, im not interested in any weird mega animation
covert linden
But my boyfrienf has an animation where he can pour tea into a cup :(
lone scroll
does it make him very poor tho
misty turret
I have a particle system and light on one of my avatars, that puts it at poor, but the light doesn't cull or use shadows plus it's very small, the particle system isn't on the rest of the avatar is good or excellent but I am out in the poor. This doesn't make sense.
lone scroll
i have a few animations my self, doesnt change my rank at all
covert linden
No idea but he has 10 mats so
lone scroll
10 mats is still fine
poor avatars are still fine
very poor is just open ended madness
umbral reef
@misty turret Its not hard to follow the limit
And not having an avatar with 12 animations in public aint hard to do
I have special optimized non animation version of my avatar that i always jump into
I get my unoptimized animations out when i want to show them and then jump back into the optimized one...
covert linden
Illl check next time he and I are on but I doubt its very poor
lone scroll
but my work is over now, time to go home uwu
literally duplicate avatar, remove animations boom done
umbral reef
It aint that hard to do- Also the limits are more right now as some 'exploits' cant be done anymore.
The hard limit for unoptimized on one thing and perfect on the rest is also dumb imo but i cant think of a better system
misty turret
Your not listening, your diverting. The system as it stands is flawed because it can't actually pick out very poor vs actually very poor.
covert linden
Just optimize.and you wont have an issue
coral lagoon
Is it true that we might not have gigglish boobs on models anymore? Someone told me that there's a discussion going on about devs not wanting their game to be seen as something vulgar
near sky
Completely unrelated, here is a knife; 🗡
coral lagoon
It might be just a rumor idk
umbral reef
This would be like complaining we cant see how unoptimized a specific shader is
Its not posible to do that without some huge performance hits on runtime
meager solstice
@coral lagoon more than likely a rumor
misty turret
Wow it s like talking to a brick wall.
umbral reef
@coral lagoon Has it been said be a dev or community manager? Has it been said in a blog? If no, then its nothing official and big odds its fake
covert linden
Its not possible. Tdlr
glad thicket
Or have a dedicated particle avatar.
Also keep in mind vrchat can't read how optimised your particles are as it just see oh you have a real time light and 2000 mech particles
final vale
everytime i go to the pug i allways suddenly gret ejected to the winchester
past vigil
Could anyone help me upload an avatar?
final vale
no matter where i am in the world
near sky
covert linden
If its so easy to just be done how do you suggest it gets done because its not possible to lag test avatars
polar jasper
Remove your collider
covert linden
I Instablock ppl with colliders
near sky
The Scorched Earth Method
final vale
*what doeps colliders do ?
covert linden
Avatar
frosty veldt
Why hide avatars with colliders when you can just turn colliders off 🤔
cold ibex
o:
brazen socket
does anybody have ygopro
heavy dawn
ygopro?
I have a GoPro... Probably not general topic.
gleaming tulip
Just learning Unity and this is my first update to the SDK in VRChat. Do I just delete the 2 folders the old version put on my avatar and reimport the new one if I ever want to change or add something to them or do I have to start all over again building avatar from scratch?
true sky
i usually import on top of the old one myself since i am lazy, but everything should work just fine
gleaming tulip
cool, ty
left vale
Hoi
umbral reef
@true sky Thats not how you reimport tho
true sky
its not recommended to do so as some sdk versions will crash the editor, but will reimport on restart of unity
umbral reef
Its bad advice and can at best break more things...
true sky
i disclaimed its not recommended to do
gleaming tulip
So should I delete the old folders then first and reimport new?
true sky
usually plugins isnt recommended to delete if you have FinalIK as its usually uses the Plugins folder as well @umbral reef
frosty veldt
You can always just redownload finalik from the unity store, doesn't even work atm in vrchat lol
true sky
i think that is network ik, which has been broken 🤷
true sky
give it a while 
umbral reef
You replace it... you dont remove and add
gleaming tulip
will just draging new SDK in to unity replace it?
frosty veldt
If you open the new sdk unity package it will replace files that have changed, if you are worried about it there's no harm in deleting the SDK you have and adding the new one
vocal shard
probably the worst update by far. models that were good/excellent have now dropped into the gutter. it's great. thanks vrc team
final vale
what are colliders and why do ppl hate thems
heavy dawn
They always runnin into stuff 🙃
Real answer: they can hurt performance if done badly. You have to do an expensive calculation to figure out whether one thing is inside another thing, etc.
Fun fact: Rea actually pointed me to a tutorial for cloth that does use colliders. Using cloth can be horrible if you use Unity cloth on say... a full detail model. But if it's like a few dozen polys it's actually pretty performant. The type of collider matters too. Mesh colliders are going to be more expensive usually than a simple shape collider like a box or a sphere.
vocal shard
vrchat still bad optimized idk lo
heavy dawn
The software itself seems okay. All of the VRC team worlds seem pretty fast. Custom worlds and avatars can bring things to a crawl when done carelessly, yes.
rigid crescent
I barely understood that sentence I'm glad you did
worn edge
I dunno if this is the right place to ask but a friend of mine got banned from the server. He asked me to tell you he was very sorry and he’d like to join. His name is Poopsock
rigid crescent
Probably did something dumb, it's pretty hard to get banned for anything but intentionally breaking the rules
worn edge
Ok I understand. He has learning disabilities and sometimes it causes him to act erratically. It’s not the first time he’s been banned from a discord server.
still lark
me too thanks
worn edge
Okay I just spoke with him and he said he thinks he got banned for directly tagging an admin. I told him it most likely isn’t allowed
lone scroll
- Do not ping Admins or VRChat Team for non-emergency reasons or you may be kicked from the server
worn edge
Is that a permanent ban or a temp ban?
lone scroll
probably permanent
worn edge
Yeah, I figured it would be a rule. Like I mentioned, he has learning disabilities and has been brought up to contact responsible people when his anxiety hits. It’s a shame it’s a permanent ban but hopefully it will be overturned in the future
Thanks anyway though. Seems like a nice community here
lone scroll
na -ah, nice community here? Have you been asleep for the last months 😂
worn edge
I only recently join. I mostly stick to the art channel
misty turret
Most people I've met on vrchat have been pretty cool, discord... Is another beast lol.
distant pollen
Bi, Shi, and ready to Cri!
languid beacon
I have to say on my gtx 970, blocking only Very Poor has greatly improved my fps
However I am seeing avatars blocked only for their dynamic bone abuse - which I have disabled anyway. I think that shouldn’t count if I’ve got them disabled since it wouldn’t lag me
idle nova
Sounds like a good suggestion to put on the Canny
heavy dawn
I forgot they were adding performance level blocking. Gotta figure out where that is.
But to be honest, so far it's been really great.
My CPU is a bottleneck being a bulldozer AMD, with 2070 video. heh
But it's been buttery smooth after all the updates.
heavy dawn
Ever heard of incrementally upgrading? I haven't bought a whole new PC basically... ever. Eventually I'll get a better CPU but I'm saying it's not really necessary right now. Works great!
My old VC was a RX 560 which is just shy of the cutoff to be able to support VR officially so I had to upgrade the video card and instead of getting something barely better I went with a lot better 🤷
Back to the topic:
I wonder if this update brought down my nanachi in a sunhat model? It's like... just over 30k polys but it was marked as very good because it was fully atlased, crushed, and optimized otherwise. 😄
1 draw call FTW
I've had the same motherboard since 2011... I probably should upgrade soon but I wanted to go with AMD and I want to wait for the 3rd gen Ryzens to come out so the prices of 1/2 will come down. Might just get a 3rd gen one anyway.
rich gorge
Scruffy can’t talk he does not even have vr
languid beacon
Lots of avatars were shoved to very poor because all their invisible props are counted as visible all at once, including poly count which sends them well over 70K triangles
Oh I don’t think the update was unreasonable but done at the same time as preference blocking it means there’s a lot of avatars suddenly unexpectedly blocked
No time to fix all these suddenly very poor avatars
ruby needle
only if people chose to block them cus they need to enable it them self
languid beacon
Well I personally know blocking very poor was the first thing I did
grave dagger
Question: I Cant verify at the moment but does the optimization block affect your friends or can you always see them anyway?
ripe gull
Alright, I know where to send bug reports, but I'mma 'bout to ask a dumb question -
Where do I go with crash reports?
languid beacon
Friends are included in the block. However “always show avatar” supersedes the block
ripe gull
probably in faq, isn't it?
grave dagger
thats cool so it might be useful in cases where your FPS drops suddenly and you want immediate relief
ripe gull
Eh, it doesn't seem to be clear there...
grave dagger
thanks 😊
still lark
@rich gorge 👺
ripe gull
Well, time to off myself
:p
languid beacon
I use safe mode for immediate relief (all four triggers + all four buttons on oculus)
Temp Blocks and mutes everyone except friends
heavy dawn
Oh, is there a fast trigger for safe mode on Vive?
languid beacon
Probably but I don’t know it
ripe gull
Okay, better way to deal with this problem - if I were to delete vrchat and reinstall it, would I keep any of my favorited skins/maps?
heavy dawn
Weird. I really should improve my world. It has 4 heat for some reaon right now. I made it Quest compatible.
@ripe gull You don't need to delete. You can clear cache. It's in the support sticky messages.
@ripe gull Your VRC settings follow you around because they're on the server.
They are not stored on your machine at all.
languid beacon
I’m afraid to make my worlds quest compatible because I don’t actually know how it will run. Avatars are easy to spec without testing
ripe gull
I cleared my cache manually
heavy dawn
Hmm, well my world is pretty simple so far. And it's just over 40MB with all of the textures. I used crunch to get it down that small though.
ripe gull
Don't think the problem's there.
heavy dawn
You're crashing upon joining the game?
There's an option to join the default home instead of whatever home world you have saved.
ripe gull
Yeah, the map loads, I run for like 20 frames, and I crash
I tried going back to default home. Same bug occurs
heavy dawn
Yikes... have you tried running Speccy or something to see if your computer is just... overheating?
ripe gull
Eh, I'll try
raven hearth
So with the new vrchat update, can they add the ability to see "very poor" avatars on quest? that would be so awesome because i hate how i cant see me or my friends avatars anymore, i dont even see a performance change in this
and for somereason my model with 3 polygons and 1 mesh with 0 everything else is marked as "very poor"
mighty cradle
that's vrc for ya
raven hearth
its kinda bs because now i dont have models to use anymore on quest, i hope they revert it soon
ruby needle
it is, if it actually is 3k that is.
raven hearth
oh wait i cant send one
ruby needle
upload to a image share service
raven hearth
ruby needle
If that indeed is the case you might wanna report that
including the avatar id of that avatar
raven hearth
its annoying cus now i dont have an avatar to use on quest atm, they really need to give options to quest users and make their experience more enjoyable instead of worsening it
ruby needle
if all is green then your's is clearly a bug
which is why you really should report it including your avatar id
so they can look at it
raven hearth
i am
tbh an easy fix to the quest thing is to atleast allow them to see their own avatar regardless and allowing them to unhide avatars
languid beacon
The red stat is conveniently scrolled off screen you know what you did 😉
raven hearth
?
vocal shard
lol
rigid crescent
Can they not unhide avatars
rigid crescent
Problem solved:3 that was fast.
vocal shard
Hey can anyone help me, I got my PC to work but it disables keyboard and mouse when ever I try to start the Windows installation
ruby needle
@stoic halo oh really? want it aht 10k is capped regardless of the settings beeing used or not?
austere gulch
Welp, this update pretty much killed vrchat for me. Majority of my avatars (Roughly 250 out of the 320 or so I have uploaded) no longer load, permanently stuck at 100% for everyone, annnnnd all of the avatars in my avatar world are now set to very poor. Originally they were set to very good & were also reviewed by members of the dev/mod team. :] Yeee boyyyy.
vocal shard
Can y'all help me out
desert stratus
mhm?
umbral reef
@austere gulch the previous performance system was a joke tho. This one is better at least .
And loading is another problem, making a canny for that might get it fixed
vocal shard
I got my PC to work but it disables keyboard and mouse when ever I try to start the Windows installation, I know both my keyboard and mouse works but for some reason on my pc after bios there's no activity
mighty cradle
@vocal shard ps2 or usb?
vocal shard
I'm using a Optical disk drive as I only got windows on there may try usb
stoic halo
@ruby needle I wish the cap wasn't put in by default
tacit plank
I wish size was a thing
rigid crescent
You mean like setting our own values for each category?
tacit plank
5mb, 10mb, 15mb (last one being poor or very poor)
ruby needle
my question was if you really can still allow avatars over 10k polygons @stoic halo
austere gulch
Current performance system basically gives me no other choice but to delete my Chao avatar world now. Since having more than 3 audio sources for a voice clip toggle instantly sets it to poor. All of said audio sources aren't even a second long wooo.
stoic halo
Oh yeah you can Paul
I tested this with the questies, they could see my 30k poly Labrys model
ruby needle
i thought 10k is enforced no matter what
rigid crescent
Why are avatar makes so dramatic. No one says you have to delete the world
stoic halo
the document makes it seem like it, but apparently its not a hard cap
ruby needle
is the quest version 30k tho @stoic halo ?
stoic halo
yeah it is
rigid crescent
"my avatars are marked as very poor. This leaves me no choice but to......delete the whole world!"
Just leave it there, it's fine lol
tacit plank
Not even very poor, just poor lol
rigid crescent
I just wanna know the logic behind it tbh
tacit plank
I still want another rank, just to block avatars with are overly excessive, while still allowing regular "very poor" avatars
austere gulch
"Avatars on pedestals are expected to be "reasonably optimized". Check out our Avatar Optimization Docs for more details, and see below for a table of the limits for pedestals.. This applies to all worlds, not just avatar worlds. If any avatars in your world exceed the limits given there, your world may be removed from Public or Community Labs."
rigid crescent
Ok so you'll....delete it yourself
Why? Lol
They only moderate worlds if they're found to be an issue via reports usually
stoic halo
unoptimized scary trusted users
tacit plank
At some point, the staff would check every avatar and deny it if you had above 10 materials on one. Now you're pretty safe as long as you don't mod the SDK or something
rigid crescent
I do wonder what the "official" statement is on it though. Is an avatar that was originally Excellent, "officially" unoptimized after this patch?
It's still all case by case too. Someone reports, they'll look at your world, see they're all just "inactive" and you'll be fine.
tacit plank
If it was an excellent avatar because it had tricked the SDK, probably
Otherwise, I doubt the ranks will change much
frosty veldt
Disabling stuff isn't 'tricking' the SDK lmao
rigid crescent
Excellent was just an example. They said it was just s few audio sources.
tacit plank
Not always, but sometimes
rigid crescent
You're definitely wrong about ranks not changing much it's already happening
frosty veldt
Exactly, now it doesn't matter if you did it well or with bad intent, everyone is assumed to be worst case
tacit plank
I don't think audio sources are counted. They don't cause lag as far as I know. Some are big though (file size)
stoic halo
I met a quest user who managed to mod their game to see Dyanmic Bones which was a big thonk
rigid crescent
What? They've been counted since day 1
frosty veldt
Guilty until proven innocent
stoic halo
it said they were on the Quest
tacit plank
Even as "worst case", most avatars are unlikely to reach "very poor"
stoic halo
so im not sure
desert stratus
using the words quote "guilty until proven innocent" in the context of a video game
tacit plank
But honestly, "very poor" avatars are common. People don't mind that much
rigid crescent
You can stream to the quest
tacit plank
But recently I saw a 995K polygon avatar, and it made me angry
stoic halo
yeah you can, but their VRChat bubble was Quest
mighty cradle
995k poly
desert stratus
i think blocking by rank is pretty appropriate in the context of this game and not a wild injustice
stoic halo
implying theyre playing on the quest and not streaming
rigid crescent
Except 6 .5 second audio clips shouldn't mean your avatar is marked poorly for optimization
mighty cradle
bitch, draw me a fucking normandy with that
rigid crescent
that means they have a quest compatible avatar doesn't it?
tacit plank
In that case, the rating system should be changed a bit
austere gulch
The avatars only have 13 audio sources for voice line toggles. None of the files even go above 500kb, lol. Cause of this they're all very poor.
Then there's also the fact that atm 200+ of the avatars in the world just flat out don't load, and the new SDK crashes when I try to reupload them.
stoic halo
Yeah but it has Dynamic Bones and they could see mine too. they pointed out what had bones
rigid crescent
"a bit" completely.
frosty veldt
I'm not saying it's horrible but the quote is fine since they are assuming worst case scenario for all avatars. They assume you can activate everything at once. Mainly because they can't check your anims
rigid crescent
We're you on the quest?
tacit plank
Well, sound files is just one component
stoic halo
No im on desktop, they pointed out everything i had that had dynamics on though
rigid crescent
Yeah they were likely streaming to their headset
The quest bubble means their avatar has a quest variant
stoic halo
but it said they were on the quest with the Bubble
tacit plank
So yeah, the rating system could be changed for the better.
But the way it calculates the avatar rank is the problem, not the system in itself. If a "very poor" avatar was actually always very poor, the system would be perfect
stoic halo
No when you open ur menu you can see who is playing on quest or desktop
If you goto Clone their avatar it shows if its quest or desktop
rigid crescent
That's the avatar.
tacit plank
So I think people are complaining about the wrong thing
desert stratus
well for now, its the best system we can get, until someone comes along with a clever way of when and how to draw the distinction between a very poor avatar stuffed with animations and a very poor avatar that has 60 drawcalls, 400k tris active
which will take a while
stoic halo
Nonono, If you hover over them you can see if theyre playing on the Quest or not
mighty cradle
don't even need to hover
stoic halo
yeah
mighty cradle
just esc, and wait
rigid crescent
Like I said I think that actually just shows that the avatar they're using has a question/PC variant. Someone mentioned it being confusing
vocal shard
The icon under their nameplate is what system they're on. The icon on their picture is avatar compatibility
mighty cradle
btw: quest clients can still disable dynamic bone limits
frosty veldt
I think the system is a fine bandaid right now so that they can focus on other things, feels like we've been getting optimization updates for all of last year
stoic halo
yeah thats what im saying Jamie lul
rigid crescent
Oh it's both
stoic halo
my friend didnt switch avatars and it said he was on Quest when he jumped to it
tacit plank
Materials and mesh and polygon values are fair. Bounds shouldn't matter. 10 meters vs 2 meters is basically no different. 10 kilometers though (snail marker) and you should jump a rank or two as you're effectively preventing culling
rigid crescent
A while back they mentioned this dev cycle was optimization focused
Fair? Even when disabled?
It's not fair, it "works" but it's not fair.
tacit plank
They're bound to be enabled now and then
frosty veldt
It makes sense they are focused on optimization just feels bad sitting on bugs for more than a year
tacit plank
What do you have disabled which makes you jump to "very poor"? You're allowed like 30 materials. Something like a pen is either 1 or 2
rigid crescent
Yeah and 20 mats you might see for a few seconds if I even use my animation isn't the same as 20 mats I have on all the time.
So that's not fair.
tacit plank
It is fair
You're summoning another avatar, right? With like 40k polygons and 20 materials (that you could easily have atlased to 3 or 4) just to have a group of dancing avatars or something.
rigid crescent
It's an example. Ranks adjusting period shouldn't be a thing for most hidden values. Have a stat block for active vs hidden and let people block like that. That's fair.
tacit plank
While that's active, you will be taking two players worth of resources, it will also force everyone to download two avatars worth of data when caching your avatar, etc.
Summoning whole avatars is also the only instance in which a disabled component will affect your rank much
atomic tusk
have a stat for what you can see all the time on avatars and another stat for what is hidden
frosty veldt
You wouldn't need to summon an entire other avatar to do anims if they fixed the humanoid limitations on avatars
tacit plank
I'm going back into VR, laters.
I can agree that a few short sounds shouldn't give you "very bad" though, unless it's actually laggy
atomic tusk
my sounds are what less than 2 seconds long
rigid crescent
Most are pretty short.
tacit plank
Also, I don't think you need to summon another avatar to being with, unless you want a group of avatars dancing. In which case, it should use the same textures for both of them anyways
frosty veldt
Reason audio is important is because we can only have so many audio sources before they start cutting out
tacit plank
True, but avatars are very unlikely to be playing multiple sounds at once, unless they're intentionally trying to glitch out the world audio.
Limit is 32 active sounds
umbral reef
That is a big reason and they cant throw resources on checking how big something really is
This applies for audio shaders and stuff im forgetting
Them having to check this at runtime means a performance loss instead of gain in the end
atomic tusk
I don't understand why it's so low because even mobo sound is capable of 100+ sound channels
tacit plank
If Unities sound priority system worked, it wouldn't be an issue (player > world sound > avatar audio)
frosty veldt
People's voices count towards that limit as well
tacit plank
Because Unity is garbage. I'll go back on VR for real now 😛
atomic tusk
I'd say the unreal is is even more hot garbage(mainly because of epic themselves)
umbral reef
For VR its pure hot garbage
All performance gain we can get on avatars get lose in it running in VR
And the development for users themselves is way harder because the support/history is worse on a consumer level
stoic halo
Fuck unreal honestly, it breaks all the time for me in VR games.
my hands get switched around, etc.
heavy dawn
I've been spoiled by the free motion controls on VRChat so much that any other free motion VR controls seem terrible in comparison.
Like unusable.
stoic halo
lol
heavy dawn
Mostly UE games where VR was an afterthought.
stoic halo
I would play Subnautica VR if it wasnt headsetr only
heavy dawn
I'd also like more support from 3D games for seated play with kb/mouse or controller.
Like... don't even fully VR-ify it just let me use the stereo 3D display.
But most games only lock you into a VR-only mode that works differently, or turn off all other controls while VR is present.
🙃
polar elm
Blame unity >.>
vocal shard
one of the best updates so far for me
lavish kraken
🤷
rigid crescent
Why does every update have someone complaining about things breaking snd not specifying what it is so they can get support
languid beacon
Because people don’t want help they just want to vent
rigid crescent
Oh makes sense. I'm sure they submitted bug reports tho
languid beacon
Everyone is guilty of that from time to time even me
heavy dawn
cries on Adeon's shoulder
vocal shard
Yeah, I was guilty too as one of the people upset and complaining when ranks were first added
heavy dawn
ToT it's just so different!
opaque hawk
Read some things about sound not working a little back. FYI always change default prioritization and it will work better
umbral reef
Im never guilty :^)
heavy dawn
Oclac doesn't get caught 😉
heavy dawn
heh sorry... that's inappropriate so I deleted it.
brazen zephyr
good meme xds
desert stratus
i did not witness
grave dagger
Did they fix voice prioritization? 🤔
desert stratus
what has been removed
heavy dawn
||it was a drug reference and one of my friends on here doesn't like those so I voluntarily got rid of it||
I was actually referencing MST3k 814 - Riding with Death. Instead of film in high framerate (probably expensive back then) they just slow down regular framerate video "she's some gal!"
ruby needle
This is the wrong place for ingame moderation.
Submit a moderation report
dont forget to provide sufficient and clear prove
heavy dawn
Gemini: I always keep OBS installed and if someone's being too much of a problem record the screen and send it too.
mint scroll
MY NEw vr came but i have to go pick it up at ups
ruby needle
UPS, they did it again 
vocal shard
Ooh
ruby needle
(im sorry 
)
mighty cradle
i make worse puns
don't you worry
including thinking your f refers to floating
floating paul math
ruby needle
me no floating
mighty cradle
pfft
vocal shard
Falling
heavy dawn
baba is you
text is float
floor is lava
I guess that's an unwinnable level because nothing is win.
heavy dawn
I'm being silly. There's a game I played called baba is you. It's a puzzle game where pushing around word tiles changes the rules.
ripe gull
Oh, I've heard of that.
That game can get quite odd at points...
languid beacon
I love baba is you. Gonna make a vrc avatar about it
vocal shard
Anyone know someone named jackster
heavy dawn
I guess Question Man has us... STUMPED 😄
lavish kraken
...I get it, not laughing but I get it.
heavy dawn
I mean, it's not very funny. I don't blame you.
sleek bone
Thank god for avatar perf
heavy dawn
Who is your animated avatar?
lapis rain
i updated unity, now i cant drag and drop?;w;
sleek bone
Unity or vrcsdk?
lapis rain
unity
ruby needle
no 28f1
heavy dawn
You can use 28f1? I didn't know that.
lapis rain
wasnt there an announcment to update unity?
heavy dawn
All the docs still seem to say 15f1
heavy dawn
Sweet! hehe
vocal shard
check #announcements it's 2017.4.28f1
heavy dawn
That actually helps because the editor for Linux doesn't seem to exist in 15f1 form anyway.
For those rare times I want to hack VRC stuff at work. (which I shouldn't do)
ruby needle
which means mic changing finally is fixed
rough pulsar
@heavy dawn I've been using 2017.4.15f1 on linux and I've posted a link in #user-support-old with a link to the new one (4.28f1) for linux too.
faint skiff
Quick question after I got locked out of everything last night: If your VRChat client updates, can you no-longer join instances where people are running on the "older" client? The client insisted I was in the same world as people I was speaking to before the game updated, but they weren't there.
slate verge
meaning your friends or those people needs to update too
meager solstice
if ur not on the same vrc build u will not be able to see people who r on different builds
faint skiff
Client really needs to say that somewhere. Bringing up the friends tab would say that I'm in the same world as them, but clearly I wasn't. Spent aaaages faffing around trying to find people and figure out what was going on 😦
But it doesn't say that anywhere in VRChat, only on Discord...
Well yeah. Assuming that everyone using the app is also reading everything in Discord would be a silly thing to do. Especially when the client is explicitly telling me "your friend is RIGHT HERE" despite the fact they clearly aren't
Maybe I should submit a bug report that the client should say they're in a different version instance and not "right here"
Cool, well thanks for confirming. Guess there's no way to avoid that if you're kicked off as it'll for the update through won't it.
vocal shard
ok may i ask why do i have to install another version of unity again
and do i have to upload every single avatar again like last time
hybrid cloak
^
why do i have to deal with converting my world to the latest version of unity/sdk every time they update this game
also does it have to be that exact version of unity
bc i only see 2017.4.29f1
ruby needle
yes 28f1
hybrid cloak
but i dont see that on the list
umbral reef
Been 6 months since the last update 🤷
Not sure how thats every update for unity. But the SDK often refreshes but you can just replace it instead of making a new project each time
ruby needle
no
unless you used a shader that has used a not so nice workaround and is now buggy due to the bug beeing fixxed
brazen hare
Reddit is really not happy about the network IK
umbral reef
Reddit is never happy
ruby needle
any change, regardless where will always haver complains
especially when the new thing is v1 and needs polishing to get to a good level
tardy ridge
no idea whats going on, ever since updae my gpu goes full red and i get 9 fps a second
game became unplayable
umbral reef
Cant deny the IK is fairly dumb now tho lmao
normal abyss
I don't play the game because I lag and in a pc and don't have Vr
proven lily
Then why are you here
normal abyss
I don't know
proven lily
Sounds like a good reason to me
normal abyss
do I need to play the game?
normal abyss
but I don't have vr
normal abyss
the game lag when I am in and I don't know if people hear me beating up my computer because it lags so hard
proven lily
Then the problem is the computer i guess
vocal shard
@surreal vigil actually I am NOT ok, I prefer you don't talk to my sister anymore either or me and her won't be talking anymore.
proven lily
Oof
subtle prawn
???
sharp saddle
Sudden drama. 👀
proven lily
👀
vocal shard
I never spoke to a woman at my age in 2 years
When you reach my age you find it lonely that you do not speak to someone of your opposite sex and you only speak to the same sex
rigid crescent
@vocal shard 🍿
vocal shard
I sort of miss speaking to women, the only women I speak to are Gamer-Girls and my experience with them in my 15 years on the internet is to give them little attention as they are similar to a Thot at times. Being on the internet is like "War Experience Points" some of us got PTSD, my ptsd is from not using my voice lol
I am unable to use my voice on the internet
rigid crescent
whats this gotta do with vrchat
vocal shard
My point is .. People in VRChat need to know what the Internet Wars feel like to gain the mental experience points
Then you can cash in those points to level up
That's how I got my Gold Gauntlet inrl
Anyone know how to give a "Gel-Like" look to plastic?
A Polish without using a Polsihing machine you know
But.. anyway; I'm a Kermit now. So I must live my life as a Kermit in VRChat.
wispy gulch
hermit?
vocal shard
Good idea; a Hermit Kermit is the next Kermit I should make.
hot prairie
oh.
vapid slate
How would someone rig a insect model so the mandibles move like vismes?
vernal forge
With enough moolah , anything is possible. Almost
vapid slate
Right, so how?
vocal shard
People in #animation or #avatars-2-general can probably help. But basically you want to make some new blendshapes and assign those to the visemes
small wing
You could add finger bones unweighted to the mandibles so its still humanoid and then add visimes like normal to the mandibles via closed fist.
Oh wait you mean the mouth mandible thingy's.
I confused those for the arms
Yeah, do it with visemes as per usual. No need to do it in the rig.
dim thorn
i might get on vrchat later if my nose stops running constantly
sleek bone
Finally, I can now not worry about those stupid cancer earrape screen rape unoptimized avatars in this update
small wing
Plus not to mention blendshapes are more accurate than jaw bone visemes overall
sleek bone
I’ve been in constant 60fps recently
small wing
You can get more articulation
sleek bone
Or 90
unkempt cliff
I need a multi-avatar updater lmfao
my shaders updated and the 300+ avatars need to be reuploaded
lmao
unkempt cliff
60 percent are more for my irl girlfriend
I have to do maintenance every few months and between those times they just begin to grow in numbers.
lavish kraken
And I thought I had a lot of avatars at 100+... but you keep doing what you're doing
unkempt cliff
I just have high amounts of dedication.
I did most of this stuff during weekends but now that summer is over I have a lot of time on my hands, and I fear it might just keep increasing.
lmao
lavish kraken
Wait summer is over?
lavish kraken
Lol you're good
wispy gulch
oh, here's a good one; in the new vrChat client, i can't see my favorited worlds; 2 of 3 are visible now because i could add a world, but the first one is full, and i can't seem to access in anyway
languid beacon
I think infinite emotes would be nice now https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/now-that-we-can-cancel-emotes-by-moving-let-us-use-loop-time-on-emotes
civic plume
how is vrchat going
wispy gulch
so, is there any way to edit my favorites outside of teh client?
slate verge
nope i don't believe so
civic plume
is the new IK implemented? and if so does it work
languid beacon
Network IK has been around for a while, unless you mean something newer
slate verge
@languid beacon didn't know we can cancel emotes now
subtle prawn
Nice
slate verge
thats great! and i even notice the broken neck crouch has been fixed too
civic plume
i have not played vrchat for awhile sorry.
wispy gulch
i suppose i'll have to file a bug report then
civic plume
but im guessing its good and effective
wispy gulch
it's pretty bad 😄
languid beacon
Sure, just make sure there's not already a canny for it already, vote for those instead
pastel galleon
ik hasn't improved yet, just gotta wait
civic plume
so more testing i guess
wispy gulch
okay, my first vrchat bug filed
civic plume
congrats, you've offically contributed to the progress/ development of the game
twin cove
Since this new update, I literally cannot move in VRChat. I use Oculus with trackers and there's nothing wrong with my controllers...anyone else with the same issue?
civic plume
wish i could help but have not played in a while
wispy gulch
there are two options to clear data: downloaded and local. one of them seems "safe", the other does not
there's also a sort of typo in the merge account second screen, but i cannot get to it having merged, so...
i can't find detailed docs on this particular chat client, just release notes that apply to pc
opaque hawk
@twin cove I just got my first tracker today. Only one, on vive. I can't move either.
dusky pebble
Hewwo peeps
vocal shard
Hey
dusky pebble
Bye
vocal shard
O.o
Bye..
rain merlin
valid moss
im bored
vocal shard
wispy gulch
i'm a plane
we should get level
i don't have a PC, so i can tell if my vrchat.net account is proper
queen mango
Lvl99 Abandoned worlds Explorer?
But well, it's hard to know for sure without getting into VRChat first.
vocal shard
Nice ^^
wispy gulch
ooh, what the heck is slowmode 😄
queen mango
Meant to slow down spam attempts by other users.
Think of what those people can do without that restriction
vocal shard
It is there to delay chat. Since it can get really busy in here at times
wispy gulch
supposedly the merge pull my avatars and settings, and so on, but there's a glitch. trying to fix it, but the last option right now is "clear all local data and log out" - i'm afraid that might roast everything unless vrchat.net has the copies but i can't verify
ah so. i also noticed some bot commands like !online? is it possible to filter that for just Quest users? i have a curious.
@queen mango: those people lol 😄
vocal shard
I don't think so as of now.
queen mango
Might be hard to do as of now.
wispy gulch
mmm
well, i should probably get a gaming pc (laptop)... i'm a dev, and i'm here to help lol
vocal shard
Elire and I both used the term "as of now"
More proof chat mods are robots 👀
wispy gulch
hahahahahah
wispy gulch
no deska kono deska? something?
queen mango
Ehrm.. not too well-versed in Japanese. Just saying what I currently know.
wispy gulch
so, i'm watching the spider verse and it's almost like watching vr avatars
it's mostly a phonetic from an old commercial
queen mango
Ah.
wispy gulch
some really elementary anime is probably on my list if i try to learn
though, really, what i need is a japanese girl friend that wants me to learn, then i will. it's much easier that way. same for french or icelandic 😄
though, are their vrchat language rooms? there must be.
valid moss
I hav a headache u guys hav any sugestions to make it better
wispy gulch
12 step plan
wispy gulch
are you sick? (fever/cold/flu), are you dehydrated? DRINK anyway! have you eaten? eat protein, carbs, caffeine, chocolate, as needed. enough sleep? too much VR? period? stuff?
valid moss
first imma guy two I just ate three im not allowed chocolate and four I sick
and I don't sleep
wispy gulch
well, boy period 😄 sometimes the full moon makes us turn.
valid moss
wispy gulch
well, hydrate! take your pain meds, close your eyes in a dark room with a hot towel on your face
slow lion
i think i've found the biggest tank in vrchat
valid moss
what
slow lion
my friend red made a massive tank that just barely fits in the box world
and its so bad i can barely change my avatar in the menu
valid moss
wow
valid moss
it shakes the menu. that's bullshiz
valid moss
not a good idea to, probable crash the game
slow lion
its honestly really low poly though thats the thing
valid moss
slow lion
considering its size, its low poly and low res
i dont know the exact count but its low considering it's size
valid moss
that's surprizing
slow lion
then the biggest tank that actually existed irl, the schwerer gustav rail cannon, i have saved as well
it's pretty big but nothing compared to the big boi
lol
valid moss
should i know what big boi is
valid moss
yeah!
slow lion
btw i didnt make the tank, my friend red made it. He has a tank world but i can't remember the name of it
valid moss
thats sad
slow lion
also, weird question, but has anyone else noticed the large amount of children in the murder game now? It's crazy
it's like all the gmod kids moved to vrchat
valid moss
I personally hate gmod
slow lion
most of them are nice but some of them have been getting on my nerves with their xbox microphones
xbox mics as in really really bad mics
vital rune
do not talk shit about MW2-tier microphones lol
slow lion
lmao
valid moss
idot
slow lion
ever since the quest stuff tons of kids have been pouring in
vital rune
probably they begged their mommy's credit card for Quest
slow lion
lol, i'm just gonna get a used rift or vive next christmas probably
valid moss
its funny how most people have weird avatars in vrchat
valid moss
mine is my discord avatar look her up
slow lion
and then i use some avatars i get from worlds
fast pollen
hi
slow lion
hi
vocal shard
Hello there
valid moss
hello
fast pollen
me robux
slow lion
i also have some more weird avatars but for the most part they're just like normal
vital rune
I mostly favorited the ones that don't look slutty or doujin bait
fast pollen
you NO ROBUX
slow lion
mostly tanks
vocal shard
Robux??
slow lion
same @vital rune
vital rune
yukari yakumo most wholesome yet overdetailed dress
vocal shard
This ain't roblox
valid moss
I cringe at the sight of roblox
fast pollen
yes, me robux you NO ROBUX
vocal shard
Gei
fast pollen
what
valid moss
roblox is shiz
vocal shard
It's all about Minecraft
slow lion
i can't wait till i get vr
wispy gulch
i'm so glad vrchat has mute and block
slow lion
i can finally be the ultimate t r a p l o l i
wispy gulch
these 9-11 yos screaming profanities. my delicate ears cannot stand it.
valid moss
no lusty people trying to hit on u
slow lion
lol
slow lion
see i dont get weird people on vrc anymore, like no more skirt peekers for the most part
it used to be really really bad
valid moss
thats how ima trap
slow lion
especially with the first update when they added the desktop crouching and prone stuff
valid moss
peek under my skirt and imma beat yo arse
vital rune
I'm really dissapointed the mostly lack of reaction when I whip out the Tails Doll
slow lion
i used to have a skirt peekers ban list on my old discord
slow lion
whenever someone peeked up my skirt i would screenshot their name and avatar and then post the screenshot to my discord
valid moss
oh shiz exposed
slow lion
so people would mass block them
valid moss
ur all boys right
slow lion
but with my newer avatar there is a bit of a suprise under the skirt lol
it is a felix argyle body after all
valid moss
umm should i know whats under
slow lion
you can prolly guess
slow lion
something most straight men would not like to see
vocal shard
slow lion
vital rune
I still have hostility with any meme knuckles avatars
wispy gulch
weird, because under my skirt is a knuckles 😄
unkempt cliff
Just about done reuploading my models, and then I have to do my girlfriends 😅
brave gyro
I love watching automobile accidents
queen mango
idle gazelle
brave gyro
My favorite car accident is two buses and a chicken truck.
wispy gulch
have you seen the slow motion one where an entire downhill section of road is glare ice?
everything is moving
brave gyro
When I'm 67 and see a car crash, I'll get out of my car and go to the accident and see which side of the windshield has the person's ribcage on.
wispy gulch
we've had a couple good ones up this
a 15? yo girl stole her dad's porche, and his a concrete embankment at 165 mph
vocal shard
Let's try to keep this channel to vrchat related topics. Thanks ^^
wispy gulch
okay
slate star
may i know how facial expressionsworks?
torn nebula
huh... was the polygon limit completely removed with the new SDK update?
covert chasm
Yes. It warns you pretty strongly, though, if you're exceedingly high.
polar jasper
Several people are typing 
spark patio
That makes me hopeful, Tupper. The polygon limit restricted a couple models to lesser details before, but since the limit has now been removed, I can set up some models without worry.
vocal shard
The only server without VC just realized
pastel galleon
"it will not render in VRChat according to the Minimum Performance Rank setting"
does this mean avatars with 70k+ polys won't display on pc (even with unchecked objects) or is that just for the 10k limit on quest
fickle sky
2 new sdk's in 2 days seems like i might as well wait until they figure out which sdk is going to stay for a while lol jk im just glad you are working on the game/social platform i love.
wispy gulch
i just helped someone with their quest friendly room (as they did not have a quest). fun.
covert chasm
No, it means that depending on the user's settings in the Minimum Performance Rank, they may not see your model.
pastel galleon
oh ok
wispy gulch
if anyone needs some beta testing, just message me
covert chasm
Basically, we're moving enforcement to the client since that tends to be a lot more effective
pastel galleon
I was just updating unity and the new sdk comes out at the perfect time lol
bright magnet
Some people like to exceed 1M polygons though and then crash everyone else...
vast tulip
Poly limit has no point in the sdk anymore because people who wish to will block very poor avatars and hide people over 70k anyways, but, those that want to see them can
covert chasm
The previous SDK did nothing to prevent that issue, @bright magnet
vast tulip
But, you're more likely to be hidden if you go over
covert chasm
Mimi is correct
vast tulip
It's a balance!
wispy gulch
Tupper: as a dev, i'd argue that front and back end is useful
bright magnet
So the only way is to set up how much I would like to see right?
wispy gulch
if i hack the api, and the backend doesn't enforce policy, it can be hacked?!
vast tulip
What are you even talking about @wispy gulch ?
polar jasper
You don't upload via the VRChat servers but directly to AWS, so no way to do server side checking before it's added
wispy gulch
so, front end, back end.
if you enforce policy on the front end only, someone is going to just inject anything they want, and the backend takes it
the balance is both sides
wispy gulch
someone could easily write a postman or NodeJS program to exploit anything if the backend doesn't ALSO guard
covert chasm
the SDK is completely on the client's side, and therefore its output cannot be trusted, ever
wispy gulch
show me a strong front end and a weak backend, and with the browser debug tools, i'll have your siri ordering dog food for dogs you don't own. in theory if not practice.
okay
i appreciate the insights.
give me a little while to PC up. gunna use the tools, hopefully not destroy my Quest (cuz fun), i rather wanna do some native apps.
right now i'm just trying to get my favorites back 😉 collect some devs. learn some vrchat design.
strong charm
Okay so to confirm, the polylimit on uploading has been lifted correct...?
polar jasper
Yes, but still enforced on the client based on what the user sets as their minimum avatar performance display
wispy gulch
mmmm
wispy gulch
pogger?
polar jasper
yes you will 😄
surreal ingot
sharp saddle
Is it normal to get giddy about seeing you(r avatar) in a YouTube video?
finite kraken
do we not have a poly limit anymore?
languid igloo
Looks like it but you're still responsible for optimizing your avatar towards performance. If you don't care for it and you land in yourself in very poor. Just know ppl have the block specific avatar performance preference now
finite kraken
that sounds risky
languid igloo
Yeah but poly limit was useless imo because folks still bypassed it
You have the decision to hide un optimized and very poor avatars at your discretion
vocal shard
It was super easy to bypass before, so yeah it was kinda useless
languid igloo
You're responsible on choosing what avatars you want shown. You have safety settings for it. Now you have the convenience of hiding specific performance level. If you want to.
And if a avatar is unoptimized and so happens to be a very poor avatar or crasher. You can report it.
Thats the way i kind of look at it. I don't really care about it because i hang around friends plus anyways. I always run with no safety. Idc. Lol ..
However, i see how this can be benificial to the average vrchat player
languid beacon
I'm very confused
is polygon limit legit uncapped for PC right now?
Becuase if so this throws avatars with 6 million tris in with avatars with 70K+ tris when disabled game objects are included, and that doesn't really seem fair
polar jasper
Anything over 70k will render you Very Poor anyway though
languid beacon
anyone here use OpenComposite to run steam vrchat on rift? it's crashing for me lately, not sure if just me
lusty drift
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 6313 users in VRChat currently
fiery mica
hello
vocal shard
Hi
fiery mica
liking the game so far. tons of fun
vocal shard
Cool ^^
covert shadow
yay
fiery mica
kinda thinking of making an own avatar to it. a body that has as uit with a lego head.
covert shadow
FORTNITe
fiery mica
shouldnt be hard right?
vocal shard
Depends on your skill level. I wouldn't say it's hard, but we all have to start somewhere ^^
fiery mica
tutorial or 2 will prob help me
vocal shard
Yeah
umbral reef
I highly enjoy how unity recomends the ~4 K polygon per mesh for best rendering times and that we can now have millions per mesh 👏
weak flicker
i want to go in vrchat but i realise i wont talk at all lul
vocal shard
Hello
weak flicker
but it kinda becomes pointless imo
warm blade
hey guys
So my controller is kinda broken, and i'm pretty sure vive team can give me a new one right? how do i make it so they give me another one?
cause this broken
slate verge
@weak flicker not really, everyone starts off as a mute at some point. Some people just have the ability to have comfort faster and speak at will. You'd be surprised most friends i met says they never talk when they first played and are now speaking alot.
weak flicker
hmm okay i see
upbeat dust
oh boy.. a broken vive controller. I'm glad I'm not in your shoes.
You have two choices. You either hope that HTC honors their guaranty and gives you a new controller within 8 months, or you buy a new controller for 150(!) dollars.
htc has a terrible(double terrible) reputation for not having a good customer service...
meager solstice
I mean u can say the same for oculus
upbeat dust
Nah, I've only heard good things from oculus, and I'm not even an oculus fanboy.
meager solstice
@warm blade honestly I would look into the new controllers from valve
I would yeet the vive wands
If possible
warm blade
yea i do want them
but honestly im in highschool finishing it
so i don't get paida
how much are they anyway, aren't they like 240 dollars?
meager solstice
279$
warm blade
damn... are you gonna buy them?
meager solstice
I have to buy the whole headset but yes that’s the plan
On paper they r the best controllers
And from the dev versions as well
warm blade
how are you gonna save money? you work i guess?
meager solstice
Yes
ivory axle
@meager solstice oculus is really good with their customer service ive had tonnes of uncommon problems with my rift and they have been really patient and managed to fix it, they also gave me some new wriststraps because i broke mine
meager solstice
Everyone’s experience is different
mighty cradle
just got voted out for saying i hate people complaining about menial shit
to some attention whore saying she was triggered by "people calling me incompetent when they don't know me"
not hard to tell you're incompetent at taking criticism
vast tulip
Doesn't sound like you're missing much at least
dusky pebble
Shit
mighty cradle
and this sorta docks me trying to get purple as a steam user
which slightly miffs me, but i certainly don't miss someone that shallow
did issue a votekick prior for her acting like a fucking brat tho
slate verge
public instances smh
mighty cradle
stick to your frens
slate verge
yep always
mighty cradle
and i have few
but seriously, if you can't take being called incompetent at murder (because you probably actually are) then just leave vrc
if you say you get triggered, change to a name that isn't karen
umbral reef
@mighty cradle why not make a vrc account and merge it
Nothing gets lost at all and you have actually something to gain as you can upload stuff then
mighty cradle
because i want to get this achievement
i want to be one of the few steam only purples
ruby needle
And a solid name without extra characters
north axle
Have you ever seen any purple Steam users in the first place?
north axle
That would sound newsworthy.
mighty cradle
then make me the news
slate verge
i still questioned why my steam account in vrchat still exist, when i merged it with vrchat account
north axle
Maybe next time, unless you have something to add to the popular topics happening right now.
slate verge
no answer huh. Didn't expect one either.
mighty cradle
why: probably an artifact of a pre-merger
slate verge
guess it was just duplicated or something anyway
north axle
Steam accounts are the remains of the arguable legacy: perished, yet not forgotten.
umbral reef
Pretty sure it links the data instead of replacing it
slate verge
ye
umbral reef
Also anyone highly technical smart on how rendering stuff works?
I understand normally that when you render vets you do the math for them transforming and it's triangle being drawn. This should happen in parallel. Having more poly avatar means the process for showing them becomes too high right?
slate verge
you mean avatar loading slow?
umbral reef
No I mean rendering
Im talking about how cpu/gpus render things.
And how this would work in a game like vrc with performance
mighty cradle
For polys: coordinates, three of them, and then have many of those assembled into a model.
And if there is a camera involved, cull out that which is invisible from its angle.
Textures essentially get applied like zeppelin skin.
ie: "replace this polygon with this part of this image"
wireframing renders polygon edges only, and can have textures or not
umbral reef
I know that
But avatars meshes are transform bound (or should be). Normally if a game delays one of the two processes (transform or drawing) you get 'lagg'. Does this apply the exact same for vrc?
Material drawing is another thing
mighty cradle
unless whatever program you're using handles such a case, likely
north axle
@lethal summit You can discuss #vrchat-pictures here.
lethal summit
i dont wanna be rude...but we kinda finished our little talk.
but i agree your sugg
north axle
Sorry if my suggestion seemed rude, I was just pointing out the rules.
Or rather the suggestions they left back when they created the channel.
lethal summit
dont worry about it. im the rude one here,(im complaining too much)
faint skiff
Will a ping of around 200 cause much of an issue in terms of interactions? (mic delays, etc)
umbral reef
Mic delay is fairly low. The IK (tracking) I'd a bit worse but everyone has this problem rn.
Almost anyone outside of the US has 200+ ping so your fine
faint skiff
Ok, thanks. I was worried it would be like when someone's trying to talk on a sat phone.
umbral reef
It won't be as fast as real time but it's not game breaking at all
slate verge
there will be delay in mic actually
like the other person will hear it in like 2 seconds later
umbral reef
2 seconds? Not sure how many Ms are in your seconds but I'd be at best 0,4 seconds but as that's unrealistic like a second
slate verge
ofc
umbral reef
How does unity handle Texel dendities that are not uniform?
hidden gust
vocal shard
Anyone wanna make a video or two with me?
mighty cradle
@vocal shard about?
vocal shard
Idk if your ingame with me you will understand
still lark
Sounds like a trap to me!
oak oar
someone's gonna get trapped
queen mango
It's no trap if you're willing to go for it.
vocal shard
I dont even know what a trap is, just started playing this yesterday
like a trap is a dude pretending to be a girl, but idk being trapped is, its easy to figure out who is a guy
oak oar
bein trapped is a vrchat thing
heavy dawn
Oclac I've always seen myself in the mirror talking almost a full second after I say something. It's a weird/noticeable amount of lag anyway.
But I always assumed the other person would see it in sync since everyone else looks in sync.
vocal shard
no im a wizard its ok