i thought the entire point of it was that the IK wasnt done on your computer, alleviating stress.
#vrchat-general-2
vestal pier
earnest vortex
👀 💦 i mean... it's not like i bought six trackers to make some make shift mocap animation studio.
vestal pier
or am i wrong?
soft turret
the IK of other players isn't calculated on your computer
vestal pier
Ah.
earnest vortex
yes and because your motion data is sent precalculated to other players.... you could have more trackers for little to no extra performance cost to other players
vestal pier
id like to see it in action, theoretically there should be no issues
coarse scaffold
before they add support for more trackers they need to fix all the current full body issues, but yes adding more trackers should not be an issue as its just more follow point effectively for the IK
earnest vortex
imma gonna go spend the rest of my night in vr land as a cartoon dog.
vestal pier
that sounds like vrchat
lone scroll
"With VRChat 2019.2.4, we will also be implementing the Minimum Displayed Performance Rank option."
bye bye larens,kim,hannah,lester etc etc 🤗 finally, no more manual hiding of shitty avatars, maybe it will give people some reason to start optimizing their garbage
sonic verge
it makes people to be less creative on how to express themselves with their own avatars il say that much
meager solstice
i mean it in no way makes people in "less" creative @sonic verge
sonic verge
to be seen i might add
block block here block block there here block there block everywhere block block
meager solstice
i mean..... this is for the people's who pc already struggle so it should go out to about the same audience who already have models blocked
vocal shard
Why would people want to see avatars that will cause low end pc's to lag
It's all up to the user
lone scroll
yeah, im glad i can autohide all shitty avatars with 30 meshes and 8000 dynamic bone collision checks etc, im sorry for the avatar creators that suffer because of some of those changes, but thats all on the shitty avatar creators, all in all its a good thing for me personally, all my avatars are optimized and dont have 600 bone hair with collisions 🙃
sick rapids
vocal shard
That was quick
vernal forge
Would be funny if you use a poor rating one so you also snap yourself
The glove physics really did you in huh thanos
devout mica
Noice!
vocal shard
@molten narwhal Are you and your friends on windows 10
molten narwhal
Yes
vocal shard
Clear your caches
molten narwhal
How do i do that
vocal shard
!cleancache
floral flaxBOT
You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them
molten narwhal
ok thx
reef ibex
So, uh, anybody else getting timed out issues?
swift zodiac
me
reef ibex
Well, I turned on my vpn. Hopefully I can get around the issue this way
rugged mesa
😎
surreal ingot
I need help
Porting avatars to quest
It says unsupported shader
When I port to PC it's just fine
surreal ingot
Ok
Where do I get these shaders I was and how do I add them to the model
I just want to add the quest shaders
To my PC models
I've been trying to do this for hours and their is no video for this
Nvm
But it says mobile shaders and I don't know where to add
Them
swift zodiac
Do i need an specific version of unity to load custom avatars to the game?
swift zodiac
Thx
swift zodiac
I don't know how to help you with that sorry
surreal ingot
Well I have an Oculus quest and I want to upload models to it but it's not letting
idle nova
You have to use the default shaders for Quest versions of avatars
indigo fern
Do you have the latest sdk?
If you checked that doc I sent, it says the shaders come with the latest sdk and are found under VRChat/mobile, not just the normal mobile
surreal ingot
Yes
And I see the mobile folder
It's not lettingme drag any of the shaders on
I would tell somebody to help me upload these avatars but
Its would cost money
indigo fern
Drag shaders? You go to your materials for your avatar and change the shader there
astral saffron
I mean, you are not supposed to drag anything.. Just change the shaders on thr materials
surreal ingot
I'm trying to do this with Persona characters
More specifically Persona q2
Im not sure if that one will work
astral saffron
PQ2 models should work fine
vocal shard
Gotta make some avatars for the quest
vocal shard
I'm seeing so many quest users each day
astral saffron
Replace the model? 
vocal shard
Well if you're replacing the same FBX the humanoid will go weird
surreal ingot
I was going to ask light if he could help
astral saffron
It's the price you gotta pay for quest avatars... But it shouldn't be that bad
surreal ingot
Me with this
vocal shard
Yup @astral saffron
astral saffron
Well, I think #avatar-quest would be a better channel for that
mortal stone
Fucc
lone scroll
Will the new update include some further networked IK changes, if so, can we get some detailed patch logs instead of just "Tweaks to Networked IK, works better now, 100% true story"
oblique smelt
IK it's late but is anyone down to play
earnest harbor
I'm curious why the game is moving more and more to be quest compatible while further screwing pl players and still no fixing the network or security issues that have been an issue for months now.
swift zodiac
How much time do i have to wait to be able to upload custom avatars via unity?
vocal shard
@swift zodiac Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be 20-40 hours, but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam or oculus account because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/27-why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
swift zodiac
Ohh , aight thanks
stark scarab
Tje rank system i can give a basic idea on how to lvl and that is make avatars and world upload then make friends get out there and chat and ''dont get blocked or rank can drop''
the more people who block you for dping stupid stuff will drop your rank and you can go below visiter and then there is almost no hope for you
Ranking goes super nusant, nusent, visitor, new user, user, known user, trusted user, veteran user(trusted plus), friend, vip (staff only) and sorry for my spelling
vocal shard
Is this the new Tier System?
I am Veteran User
Veteran user gang
I am Veteran User yet I get discriminated for being a Knuckles.
It is the burden of a Veteran.
rigid crescent
system_trust_legend
stark scarab
Veterns no longer show up visiable since the day the friends rank showed up but its still there
stark scarab
i am also a veteran rank
stark scarab
A ghost rank at this point sitting there masked as a trusted user rank and follows trusted users stafty settings
vocal shard
Veteran was a rank higher than trusted that was harder to get. But they hid it. It's not in game, but still tracked
I am Veteran Rank,
stark scarab
basicly
vocal shard
You can check in the api I think
Because of my Hours, avatars, worlds, friends,
I am Veteran.
stark scarab
veterans are people who been around since the old hub if i understand correct
vocal shard
then I am not Veteran.
Can only tell if you check the API 
The old description said something like "they have many trusted friends, and make popular content for the game"
im just extremely high trusted user.
broken plover
I mean, I played vrchat when the hold hub was the start world, but I only recently got trusted and was known the whole time...
vocal shard
Ranking system isn't really that accurate anyway
When I got back on game
I became Trusted instantly
stark scarab
you are correct @vocal shard
vocal shard
Know a few with thousands of hours. Been around earlier 2017, content. Still just Known user.
Others a couple hundred hours and just a few personal avatars uploaded and trusted
I think it's time to Upload my Knuckles world on the Community Labs.
How do I properly do it to make it public
I miss the Old System; I need to uplaod this Knuckles World it took me a month to make these Knuckles.
stark scarab
Its all basicly on avatars uploads friends and invites and bla bla bla
vocal shard
there's literally 100 of them
broken plover
I got trusted user because I uploaded a world to the community labs and I think a few people played it. I logged into vrchat yesterday morning (The morning after uploading it) and saw that I was trusted
vocal shard
Nice ^^
slate verge
yay
vocal shard
I guess I'll upload the world on Community Labs; issue is -- I am a mute.
I am a Extremely High Trusted Mute with 360 avatars and 8 Public Worlds
broken plover
and then a few hours later after making more space in my room for vr I set everything up again, was in the middle of configuring my kinect for fbt when out of nowhere my headset snaps off of the headstrap. Now I cant play vrchat in vr mode for a few days until my headset is replaced
slate verge
nothing wrong with being a mute
vocal shard
slate verge
i'm so sorry
brisk plover
vocal shard
Okie, I will just upload to Community Labs since it's technically done; (It just needs community to have involvement) so they can make their Knuckles Art in my world
Everyone Loves Knuckles.
Just how Everyone Loves Kermit and Shrek
slate verge
kermit is somewhat popular
stark scarab
Also recommand you do not tamper with the api you can get perma ban
for those who want to know there ranks
vocal shard
Okie now I need to find out how a Mute can make their world Public in Community Labs;
ever sicne they added this, it made it difficult for us mutes.
stark scarab
lol
slate verge
does community labs require people to talk?
stark scarab
not sure
vocal shard
I feel it enforces people to use Social Media
how does being a mute change thing?
to spread that the Community Lab World is up
which is the only solution for a Mute
vocal shard
people just check the worlds in community labs
broken plover
you can just invite a few friends that have more friends. and if they like your world they will invite their friends to your world and so on
vocal shard
Else, I can send in agents to spread the word for me
how is that different than before. it's built into the worlds list like other worlds
stark scarab
i understand non now
its word of mouth to help get peiple to visit the world and help get it out there faster
vocal shard
That is a concept of Social Media and the lineage of Social Media comes back to the Bards and Heralds.
Therefore they are Word-Of-Mouth; that is how your world can be public regardless if you have messed up avatars with horrible optimizaiton (As I see in anime aavatars)
And ye some is the Dyanmic bones. .but some just have too many materials
anyway. im out to vrc for a bit. holler if you need me ^^
stark scarab
@vocal shard hollering now :3
slate verge
have fun!~
vocal shard
Note about Community Labs = First Upload the Best Version of the World before you Upload to Community Labs; or else it will revert back to the previous version.
If you upload while upload to Community Labs it will show the latest version for 7 days; however if you haven't uploaded the latest version without Community Labs = it will revert back to the previous version
This is something I saw in 2 of my Worlds they were Fully Updated; but after 7 days they were reverted back to the previous broken version
stark scarab
Well then
brisk plover
vocal shard
I got idea how to advertise my world on Community Labs; I make a protal
people like Knuckles; so they will go into it.
broken plover
or just go to the grea pug scream "hey guys check this out! Come upstairs!" and then place a portal around the corner at the stairs so when people run up they run instide it
vocal shard
Reminds me of an avatar long ago who made a Horror World and wanted people to enter his world
and I was a 2D-3D Rigged Avatar during the time and I just went in (Or I was a Flood Light)
stark scarab
Well you 2 got too see the veteran rank
vocal shard
Oh I know how people can go to my world.. when it's in Community Labs; it pops out as Public Worlds that are active.
stark scarab
Hmmmm
vocal shard
I will be a mute and spread the Worl to everyone
stark scarab
Pass to me.if i find it interestingg expect about 100 plus to find the world in a week top
stark scarab
O knuckles even better i can get you 1k atleast then
vocal shard
He will hold a Banner of the Knuckles Kingdom and then I spawn the world and wait 30 seconds then go to another world
stark scarab
i know a few knuckles who can pull in about 1-2 k people who love knuckles
vocal shard
JoJo will also like this world too
stark scarab
What is this world called
vocal shard
Kingdom of Knuckles
I did several tests and removed any issues a VR-User would have with Post-Processing
Removed Double-Vision and anything to make things too bright
stark scarab
Is this world up now
vocal shard
It is.
vocal shard
yeye xD
stark scarab
Well lets hope its good for them if so your would will bomb with knuckles
vocal shard
It's mostly an Avatar World Anyway
With art x
Why is there a Green line around it?
The portal has a Green Circle
It developed a circle
elfin forge
"Hey everyone, you see how many ppl already block you just because we made you belive that your avatar makes them lag? WE MADE IT WORSE NOW! You're welcome!" -VRC Team
Thanks VRChat. Very Cool
vocal shard
You feel the same pain that of the Innocent Knuckles ;c
elfin forge
What's funny is that they actually belive that old players will follow that
wintry sonnet
R.I.P. Vr Chat, we will miss the good old time....
stark scarab
Well i cant say much on the lag due to my avatars have a anti theift system on them
umbral reef
@elfin forge You know its turned off by default right?
ivory frost
don't worry, long time players know it's a crappy update, they won't block you just because of poor avatar. after all... the only reason people have poorly rated avatars is because they added 1 dynamic bone to much...
stark scarab
yep
elfin forge
@umbral reef i know. And i also know that new players will block you even more then they already do. Because they're forces into beliving that that's the right thing to do. See the issue here? The problem isnt the update. It's how ppl react to the update
umbral reef
@ivory frost sounds like an easy fix to merge one more bone then- So no reason to not do it ;p
Why are they forced to believe it? But odds most people wont even realize its a thing
vocal shard
Back in my day; people would get angry at people without giving a lecture about their avatar; ._.
umbral reef
Same with the dbone limiter, particle limiter or all other new things
stark scarab
Well i kinda do couse minor lag on load becouse of a prefab i made if you download my avatar off the server it will break the model and turn it into a hige cube that the progect you out it in will never load the same
elfin forge
Remember when ppl would talk shit to u because u didnt have enough dynamic bones
Those were good days
Now they dont even talk shit to u
Cuz 90% of ppl in publics and not publics have everything blocked :")
ivory frost
Iam not sure what they wnana do with vrchat... i think it's way to late to turn it into a serious game...
elfin forge
It's just as i always say
Instead of trying to update it so the game can run all these players with dynamics, they instead put limiters on the players
stark scarab
Vrchat needs more staff to clean up all the trouble makers and need to thing of better updates that will help the game grow not upset the player base
elfin forge
(And yes i know we can still put dynamics and stuff, but ppl will annoy u as u do
stark scarab
blender and unity
elfin forge
By not listening to the tips of the ppl in this discord server
stark scarab
Listen to what peopke really wamt and fix all the bugs in the game and not focuse on just adding junk there we go
umbral reef
You do realize peeps asked for this function right?
vocal shard
this sucks you can't create in game
umbral reef
Cant deny that should actually fix bugs properly for
vocal shard
you have to make out of game boring
elfin forge
Welcome ti the wirld if ed models King
Who asked? Ppl like Mic Siubders LMAO
Sounders*
vocal shard
sweety hugs snuggles and cuddles
elfin forge
Oclac can you please just agree on the fact this acatar rankijg system is retarded
umbral reef
Ow its for sure loads of wasted time
But its not retarded
elfin forge
Im on phone so i cant type well
See, it's ok to see how much stuff someone has on a model
But instead of outtijg that person in a bad light for wanting to make something mire complicated
They could simply just make it so you know what this person has
umbral reef
Let me ask this though
Do they really need to use there complex avatars in public lobbies?
elfin forge
Dude
umbral reef
Fairly sure no one gives a shit about optimazation in private rooms unless they literally have a potato PC
elfin forge
Do i have to fucking merge my materials if i want to put different shaders on my shit
That alreay makes the model very poor my guy
umbral reef
If you get poor rating from shaders you really need to rethink how your model is made
Im almost tempted to say send me the files but icba to solve it for you
elfin forge
Youuuu didnt get it
Not the shader
The materials, i use different materials to give secific effects
By doin that i get to like 9 mats
And that already makes my model vvery poor even if it doeent have anything else
umbral reef
Unless the shader itself is different there are ways to do what you want
And because its a shit ton of lose things man...
umbral reef
Its not just your avatar that gives a performance hit
Its ALL avatars in a room. So if they all have the same 'optimazation' as yours you wont reach that 90 FPS
elfin forge
Instead they leave it as it is and givr us restrictions
umbral reef
Owkay what system has to be changed
Please explain what system currently is extremely taxing
earnest harbor
what would help is to optimize the game instead of limiting content creators for a platform that is overhyped and underpowered
stark scarab
Vrc stats are forcing everyone to have bear basic models
umbral reef
Same for you then gold
What can they optimize on there end?
elfin forge
Uhhh well first of all the unity version, second how yiu see models, cuz fun fact hiw dinu thinj mmorpgs can handle all those okayers?
umbral reef
The later unity version will not insanely boost the performance
The job system is neat but not the holy grail
earnest harbor
first thing, getting network ik working again, and perhaps stop making the system do a check for avatar stats every time it's loaded?
elfin forge
The model from afar is a 2d thi gy that mives at a very low framerate
When yiu get close you see it righy
When yiu dont lookd it becomes like that again
earnest harbor
I love the "well what can be done to fix it huh?" when theres always optimization to be done.
umbral reef
Thats to prevent abuse and workarounds the checking. Also thats on load, not after so its not that big.
Same that it does the check when you open the avatars menu from what i recall
And networked IK is flawed in working but its an insane way to boost performance
elfin forge
Even the scripts for this game are bare basics dude
Many ppl came up and said "i want to help" and they all got refused
umbral reef
@earnest harbor Nothing as big as having proper avatars tho-
And thats my point. These limits are there for a reason as people need to take there high end 20 material, 100 dbones with 5 colliders into a public world instead of just private.
earnest harbor
"basic code" yeah ok
I'll believe that just like when people say the devs communicate before pushing their new features live
elfin forge
Dude fuckin MUGEN has more complicated coding then this game
near saffron
Mugen?
umbral reef
Wait, you guys dont want 24H of public beta testing while we did test it in private also?
elfin forge
(mugen is a fanmade fighting game simulator where u can add and code ur own characters)
Ok tell me this then
near saffron
ahh
elfin forge
Do you belive that this update will make more ppl try to optimize their models
earnest harbor
but the one thing that really needs to be worked on, but isn't is security.
elfin forge
I think "fuck no"
umbral reef
No as people are retarded within this community.
Will it help people with lesser pc's run in public worlds without having to block everyone?
earnest harbor
no, people who have optimized them may keep doing so, but plenty will still not optimize
stark scarab
How much do you bet by giving vrchat to pro coders you will see tye game run 10 times better with less junk in it
elfin forge
The retarded ppl are the devs for not fixing the real issues :")
near saffron
Yeah i will, tho I’ll always try to as much as I can
earnest harbor
if only there was a way to limit what you see with a low end pc thonk
elfin forge
Guess what guys people can still ddos you and stuff even tho the guys here tell you they can't
umbral reef
No one here will deny they can do that
near saffron
Probs gonna need to mess around with IK follower more to avoid rigid body use
umbral reef
We all know about steams p2p networking here
elfin forge
Say that ti Mic
umbral reef
@earnest harbor Almost like that system just got implemented
elfin forge
Wait a sec! I SEE the masterplan of the devs
earnest harbor
can get DDOSed, can have your unity package yoinked, private avatars force cloned, logouts still exist, theres a growing amount of bot crash groups, your vrc creds can get yoinked....
elfin forge
"If we're gonna make ppl do shitty avatars, they won't complain about ppl stealing their models!
earnest harbor
to name a few of the major issues that still exist and have existed for months now
elfin forge
But nag
stark scarab
your way off @elfin forge
elfin forge
Let's not worry about that Gold
vocal shard
Hey
earnest harbor
but, hey guys we introduced a new feature that will increase performance! makes everything worse overall
elfin forge
Fuck off omega bot
vocal shard
I'm sick
elfin forge
you! How dare you use dynamic bones colliders
earnest harbor
when network ik works yes it will be wonderful
near saffron
Yeah how dare u
elfin forge
HAHA funny joke Gold
stark scarab
well i could pass around the anti thift system and no one will ever get there avatar stolen again or risk there pc
elfin forge
Let's just wait for Lavander and endure this bullshit
umbral reef
@earnest harbor It will never be as perferfect as normal IK because of how networking works
But tbh- Rn id just love to have the Voip and IK to be synced
Makes it atleast the same level of bad what makes it easier to deal with lmao
@stark scarab Cats anti thieving system has been broken already- The patch for it can be avoided but itsharder to do and less known.
elfin forge
Nah oclac, that aint important we have to make ppl that try to make complicated stuff get pointed at and blocked
stark scarab
i made my own using prefabs i made myself
earnest harbor
I mean, I have hope in i, but it should not have been forced otu like it was, just like avatar stats or the safety settings when they was first brought live...
earnest harbor
nearly every major "feature" has been tested for a few seconds "ok came doesn't crash push it live"
elfin forge
Yep pree much what i belive happens
earnest harbor
but the devs don't care about us, they only care about quest users anymore
recent updates have only been for quest instead of pcvr
ivory frost
the quest is just a phase
earnest harbor
it's a waste of time
near saffron
I’m surprised by the amount of Quest users I’ve seen tho
umbral reef
Quest sold only 5M worth of games in 2 weeks what is laugh worthy for anything but VR
Calling it the super hit people did is kinda a joke
earnest harbor
I can get behind the improved safety settings, although it's not for "safety" really
umbral reef
Safety system should be stripped down a fair bit imo
Less useless ranks, no more nameplate colors and ect
near saffron
^ colours could defo go
earnest harbor
remove the safety system to 2 states, new users and users
ivory frost
don't worry about it to much... vrchat has improved alot over the years... im sure they do whatever they can... but they just slow... vrchat is already 5 years old after all... youll get used to it after a while :3
earnest harbor
well, and nuisance but nobody cares about them
elfin forge
it's iproved not because of the vrc updates, but because of the ppl that go around their shitty updates and make you keep playing the game like normal
umbral reef
@earnest harbor 3 is more neat but i can live with two
near saffron
Think I’ve only ever seen a nuisance once
vocal shard
Okie good talk, Im going to sleep; don't forget to go to the Kingdom of Knuckles in the Communities Lab. We need more Knuckle Avatars.
#KnuckleDiversity
elfin forge
i'd rather have knuckes then this shit
earnest harbor
you see them sometimes, kinda funny then they realize nobody can see or hear them
ivory frost
@vocal shard :3
elfin forge
which is also something that's annoying
everyone has EVERYTHIng BLOCKED
it's annoying as fuck
earnest harbor
yup
vocal shard
Im a Mute -- I use to talk on VRChat long ago; but I turned myself into a Mute making 100+ Avatar Worlds like Runescape and Knuckles
elfin forge
that system
earnest harbor
it was introduced as a way to limit crashers, and the crashers adapted to using logouts, most logouts got patched so they went to ddosing and nothing apparently can be done about that
vocal shard
Next Project is to make 100 Kermits now.
ivory frost
gee... i wonder why everybody in vrchat got everything blocked... hmmmmmmmm... lemme think...
elfin forge
see what i mean when i say this update is usless? people have everything blocked for no fucking reason, AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN SAVE THEM FROM CRASHERS
vocal shard
I never block people; but if they Trigger me because I am a Knuckles, I am going to turn on my Safety because they being racist toward Knuckles y'know
near saffron
Well it does. Now their just doing other shit to annoy peeps
elfin forge
wait hold on don't talk lemme hear what this dude's about to say, lemme read what ass licking of the devs does he pull
earnest harbor
what's hilarious is hoe people have told the devs how to fix things, but until it becomes a major issue they do not care
ivory frost
i bet none of you has ever been barraged with scat-porn pictures in the pug? geee so much fun...
elfin forge
Monster
umbral reef
@earnest harbor exposing bugs in detail on the canny is indeed a better way to get it solved then to private email it
near saffron
I remember those days
elfin forge
how many hours do you hav ein this game
umbral reef
@ivory frost Right before the knucle boom- Its the reason we got the Panic mode...
near saffron
Back when it was over ur menu too
umbral reef
That stuff was everywhere
elfin forge
yes i did have that genious, i have almost 3k hours. but i don't block EVERYONE LIKE YOU, if shit like that happens i block the cause
ivory frost
?
elfin forge
and THERE is the issue of the avatar rating
ppl don't use the safety, instead they just block you for no reason
that's the issue in here
kindred briar
I mean there is a obv reason you get blocked.
ur annoying or your avatar is annoying 🤷
elfin forge
because i'm going around with a doll of baby from five nights at freddys and you see me from the distance?
kindred briar
yeah some people dont want to see that.. xd
near saffron
If people blocked u for no reason. Then their probs not worth talking with
elfin forge
oh boy, this dude's one of those little flowers
vocal shard
hey whats up my friend
vocal shard
awww cute
kindred briar
are you ok?
vocal shard
why you so romantic
elfin forge
no, and tbh i didn't even wanted to say that, i just want these devs to start fixing the shit that has to be really fixed
vocal shard
im on a roll with all the girls i know
kindred briar
if you're using the sound effects like it should and not global audio y ou normally wont get blocked.
elfin forge
i'm just tired of all these delicate little flowers reporting to the devs the usless shit
near saffron
What like
elfin forge
also @kindred briar guess what, if my sound effects are annoying you you can actually hide the avatar or hide animations
kindred briar
why are you talking like im blocking you?
elfin forge
i'm talking like wha ti see happen, and what is the issue
kindred briar
i just stated the reason people do it.
elfin forge
ppl don't use the safety settings
umbral reef
Is that the devs fault tho?
earnest harbor
just get rid of safety setting imho
elfin forge
no, but safety setting are fuckin usless then
near saffron
I’d imagine that would get a bigger backlash
elfin forge
they don't even save you from crashers and shit
kindred briar
@earnest harbor yeah no it's pretty usefull for me.
earnest harbor
how so? @kindred briar
umbral reef
Pretty sure your avatar being shitty for users is the problem
And there solution is to block you.
Not sure how they can even get them to change there solution without removing blocks lmao
kindred briar
increased performance and less toxic avatars.
umbral reef
Its not 101% foolproof. that makes it bad
earnest harbor
it doesn't make you safe, so it's useless from the start
elfin forge
he has everyone blcked by default so he can't see anything other then those 4-5 ppl he stands in front of a mirror with
umbral reef
The shit that gets said at times man
elfin forge
oclac please stop licking the dev's ass you know this shit's usless
kindred briar
smh. normal will still show the avatar
elfin forge
also tell me, don't you get bored just beeing in front of a mirror, i'm not saying you specifically i mean in general
what you are hiding is the reason why this game was made, C R E A T I NG
kindred briar
yes. and you can do that.
patent sigil
Does blender have a 2D mode?
elfin forge
instead ppl just go in like 2 or 3 maps just to stand in front of a mirror and speak about their life issues
kindred briar
but most people in pubs don't like getting these animations thrown in their face
earnest harbor
noo, you can create, as long as it's 1 material, no dynamic bones, had no particles and is under 5k tris
ivory frost
can you post a screenshot of your avatar? im curious now :3
elfin forge
"creating" doesn't mean "animations"
and fun fact for you not all animations are cancerous loud music screenshakes
patent sigil
Lol
umbral reef
Its funny how my animations and shit even with the trust system get people to unblock me, talkwith me and cheers up chat
earnest harbor
unblock you?
umbral reef
Safety system
kindred briar
I never get blocked so idk 🤔
elfin forge
avatar he means
earnest harbor
now that's a lie, once you get blocked you stay that way
earnest harbor
why care if your ava gets blocked?
elfin forge
gold, reread what he said
ivory frost
i also never get blocked... and i got a very poor avatar... and i also use a sound effect...
elfin forge
i know, thing is ppl see animations, and they immediatly assume that you'll crash them or you'll play some very loud cancerous music on them
which is like 10% of animators
earnest harbor
it's usually easy to see what avas have those though
ivory frost
yup, thats pretty much how people think
earnest harbor
some are stealth, but most will have fancy shaders on them
near saffron
^
earnest harbor
I myself made an ava with fancy shaders just to look that way without having any crashers or cancer on it. it was normal except for the shaders on the model
rough pulsar
Until the last update I only needed animations on because I had custom hand poses. Don't even need that anymore 😀
ivory frost
but yea... avatars with weird shaders and animations are kinda out of fashion also... those belong in early 2018... you gotta keep up with the current vrchat fashion you know...
earnest harbor
well yeah, because the last update made everyone lag so much you can't see animations :lul:
elfin forge
ok lemme do an exemple @kindred briar and @ivory frost let's say we randomly met without knowing, and you ask me why i'm moving around my hand in front of you. I tell you to unblock my avatar and show you a jumpscare with my fnaf model i recently did, what do you do
earnest harbor
early 2018? what are you smoking?
umbral reef
block you lmao
kindred briar
probably reblock xD
elfin forge
and there's why i said you're a delicate little flower
umbral reef
Its seen as a dick move to jumpscare random people
ivory frost
i would go lewd on you
elfin forge
fuck off bot
rough pulsar
Come to early 2017, where to use animations you literally had to switch avatars
elfin forge
now THAT'S a good reaction
umbral reef
And imo it should even be report worthy to jumpscare people who dont want it 🤷
elfin forge
@rough pulsar you never did actual animations did you
earnest harbor
mate, I still have some dedicated animated avas from back then
rough pulsar
Never had the need to.
elfin forge
oclac what in the absolute FUCK are you smoking
umbral reef
Wanting to talk and socialize ina game instead of getting jumpscared
if i want to get scared and jumped by shit il play a special game for that
kindred briar
^ xd
elfin forge
it's a game to make creations, some creations are made from fans of certain stuff, ofc you'll see ppl doing omages to those
earnest harbor
its a sandbox in the purest form
elfin forge
just like you see having ppl with nanachi avatars with the "naaaah " sound effect
earnest harbor
except the devs keep removing the sand and making the box smaller
umbral reef
So because you pay on omage to some shit i dont give a shit about you have to ruin my fun, scare me to the point where its not fun and give me a distrust of users because why would i unblock them again?
elfin forge
it's literally the same thing
ivory frost
hmm... creating stuff is a part of the game and its fun... but to me vrchat is just a chatbox...
umbral reef
'So my avatar is a crasher in that other game, so i can crash in vrc durrr'
elfin forge
what the fuck does crashing have to do with this
rough pulsar
What VRChat is for is a lot of things and that varies from each person.
Some do want to make weird shit, some just want to chill with their friends, some want to make worlds. None of them are right, and none are wrong either.
Except if you're coming just to cause problems deliberately. Fuck those guys,
elfin forge
yes, that i agree with
earnest harbor
like traps
elfin forge
no traps are good
earnest harbor
ban all traps
umbral reef
My comment was to show how absurd it is to fully copy something from another game inside VRC if its hurtfull to groups of users
elfin forge
it's not hurtful is the thing, you just overreact
like it's crazy to me. uhhh tell me a series that you enjoy for exemple
kindred briar
some people can't process jumpscares though. and unexpected ones are even worse.
umbral reef
It isnt?
Pretty sur ei got a clip somewhere where i streamed for some friends and went to play horror maps as a deal i made
Pretty sure i had to take long ass breaks between some jumpscares
shadow sparrow
'-'
Did someone say fashion?
elfin forge
it can be anime game or whatever
rough pulsar
I can't handle regular horror games. VR horror is too much for me, so having it pushed on me by some avatar is a great way to annoy me.
umbral reef
il chat to you in like an hour as i gotta travel to school and i dont text while driving (and im almost too late so)
elfin forge
@rough pulsar see if you were to tell me that, i wouldn't do it to you because ofc i'm not an asshole
i just feel like ppl should be a bit more open minded to stuff
i've made my fnaf avatar have the doll first so that i see how ppl react
rough pulsar
I think most people are, it's just a case of they use the safety system to filter out undesirable things from their experience.
For example I have sounds off on avatars because they're rarely done well.
elfin forge
if someone reacts interested, i jumpscare them, if someone literally turns around
or screams, i proly won't do it
ivory frost
umbral reef
That's not how you started it earlier tho with the inblocking
elfin forge
yeah, i forgot to add the reaction part
ofc i can tell you're scared like, VERY i won't do it
but oclac real quick tell me a game or anime or whatever that you enjoy
vivid oar
the most scared I ever got in vr chat was when someone hid behind a mirror and waited until I was looking at myself for a bit, then reached his hand out through the mirror at my face
umbral reef
Factorio, Overwatch, Total war series, Black desert and payday really
elfin forge
but is that block worthy
vivid oar
I thought it was funny after I was done having a heart attack
elfin forge
also ok Oclac, let's say i come at you with an overwatch model and tell you to unblock me, and then show you somethign with particles and stuff
would you block that
raven aurora
Never expected to see you writing here @elfin forge 
elfin forge
only when some bullshit update happens
also @umbral reef
if only the gif would load
ok just go to #avatars-2-general
umbral reef
If it does it witht hat jump its a proper jumpscare, just adding more doesnt change what it is
elfin forge
i feel like ppl block you for very small stuff
you could have a model of a character that they don't like and get blocked at this point
umbral reef
I got like 12 blocks against me in the past 2 years
And another 3 on my alt that i been using for ~4 months
vague quarry
So with the update to VRChat that is going to allow users to block avatars based on performance rank (and I somehow do not have access to the open beta channel), I want to know what's going to happen with avatars with dynamic bones over 32 transforms.
To those that use it, those will be disabled via the dynamic bones limiter, so it will have the performance of an avatar that doesn't have them, but technically they will still appear on the system, flagging it as very poor regardless if someone has a limiter on them or not. Will these avatars still be blocked with this system?
elfin forge
let's just see how it goes and fuck it all off if it gets too annoying
@vocal shard you can buy a cheap mic for 18 euros at a media market pree sure
i don't, i just know that there is mics for around that price at media markets
kindred briar
doesnt mean the mic will be good though >_>
elfin forge
it's still something
vocal shard
yup
worn dragon
Hi
open cobalt
hi
vocal shard
how are you
desert oasis
hi
azure shoal
hello
languid beacon
I feel like I’m the only one who doesn’t even slightly care about rank blocking.
viscid seal
its just the people who are upset by it are the loudest thats all
people who don't care, don't comment on it
so it feels like everyone hates the update
thats all 😛
languid beacon
Makes sense
viscid seal
i think its a good update, if you're lagging you have the choice to hide by rank
I don't see the issue with that
its not like vrchat is enforcing it by default
its entirely optional on the user
covert linden
True, all the complaints ive seen are either people cant fuckin read and think their avatars are being blocked now from all vrchat, or people are sad cuz their poor avatars wont be seen
rough pulsar
Context, I imagine you're talking about the performance rank rather than the trust rank, right?
viscid seal
thats what i assume too
languid beacon
Oh right. Performance rank.
viscid seal
its well known that most people in vrchat dont know how to read
languid beacon
Blocking trust rank makes less sense since you can block higher ranks and keep lower ones. But I have zero problem with performance blocking.
viscid seal
they'll stare at instructions in worlds and go "this world is broken" when the instructions are right infront of them
rough pulsar
Yeah some people do have the asinine idea of blocking all users of a certain trust rank because of reasons
viscid seal
so most of these people are likely to misread the announcement
covert linden
many do already
viscid seal
and assume quest restrictions apply to pc
covert linden
Yep, cuz they dont reaad
languid beacon
Yeah I’ve seen many “quest ready” avatars that made their PC version 5000 polys and also didn’t upload a quest version
viscid seal
XD
languid beacon
A quest user was using a 70000 poly avatar (only 6000 for themselves) if not for the name tag, no one would have known they were on quest
covert linden
this dude was here the other day complaining that the limit was 7.5k on quest and that 45k worked previously
idle nova
Everyone is already misreading the post
Not to mention people still don't get what the Quest is, or the difference between Quest and PC VRChat
rigid crescent
It's fun when they pop off in here, get told to re-read, then disappear or backpedal.
Never "oh shit my bad bro"
idle nova
Yeah, people just want to be mad at the devs
covert linden
"I hope one day theres a quest 2 that can run it better"
idle nova
Well as long as it sells they'll make a better Quest eventually
covert linden
EVEN if a new quest 2 came out that somehow could handle muuuch more than it can, if its on a mobile processor theyre not gonna make a third build of the game lol
rigid crescent
Quest 2 Electric Boogaloo
idle nova
Yeah I agree, the Quest version target is still gonna be the same
covert linden
I also doubt since they already optimized all the games, that any would change on a quest 2.. if a quest 2.. even happens. big doubt tbh
idle nova
Otherwise you fuck over everyone with the gen 1 hardware that can't immediately upgrade
idle nova
Still irks me that people are trying to lump VR headsets into generations like game consoles
umbral reef
As plenty are angry rn
With them removing streaming to PC its legit less worth getting
idle nova
Because then they just shit on evolutionary hardware upgrades that are beneficial because they're not the stupidly large leaps between console generations
languid beacon
Actually realistically a new android platform that can handle much higher quality avatars would present a problem going forward for avatar bundles
idle nova
Well you can still side load shit to the Quest
umbral reef
Because they are legally forced to
But we are talking about facebook so who knows they might remove that also lmao
Or limit it atleast
idle nova
But yeah, that move killed my interest in the device
umbral reef
@brisk bone >> Its turned off by default
Its legit a thing for potato pc's only
Read the blog man
idle nova
Yeah, on PC it's off by default
lone scroll
so i know its possible to launch into a world directly via a link, but it always starts a new instance of vrc (in my case in vr) is there a way to join a world, via a browser link, while the game is running (desktop) or make it launch in desktop
idle nova
On Quest the default is you can't see the worst allowable avatars
umbral reef
I read it while sleep deprived and can get it...
Its legit a blog post.
Its less hard to read then most news articles
idle nova
And really that's just avatars with partical systems
covert linden
on quest you cant see anythuing thats not uploaded to it
idle nova
Same, I'm constantly sleep deprived yet I manage to always have a handle on what's going on
rough pulsar
@lone scroll Not that I know of. Using a vrchat:// url always starts a new instance of the application.
And getting it to start in desktop mode requires passing the -novr flag to it
idle nova
Did ya really dip out the conversation 
lone scroll
is it -no-vr or -novr cause ive seen mentioned of -no-vr
languid beacon
As long as you are medium you are garunteed to be seen by everyone. If you are poor you might not be seen by some people. I think this is an entirely fair expectation as a creator.
lone scroll
yes^
umbral reef
Not that hard to get a medium level avatar for public worlds
covert linden
cries mines poor cuz 50 dynb
idle nova
On Quest the difference between medium and poor is just the meme particles
umbral reef
My old ones where i didnt care about optimazation could be made into medium with legit just 2 button presses
rough pulsar
@lone scroll It's one of them. I can't remember off the top of my head, just launch it via cmd with your VR plugged in and running and one of them should make it not use VR.
idle nova
And if you've got that shit you're gonna know to ask your friends to change their setting
rough pulsar
I don't think I've ever gone worse than medium, even when still in WIP stages.
covert linden
i am due to dynamic bones :c
lone scroll
then dont use them or optimize them
lone scroll
i have tons of jiggly things on my avatar and only have a few DB collision checks and component/transforms
covert linden
I went from 200 to 50
languid beacon
I’m always poor/very poor when testing because I atlas at the very last step
Then it zips to excellent or good
lone scroll
@rough pulsar neither work -no-vr nor -novr :/
covert linden
I should make an avatar world where all models are 10 meshes, 1000 dynbones, fur shaders too
rough pulsar
Maybe it needs two -- rather than one @lone scroll
covert linden
jk
lone scroll
nope
rough pulsar
Lemme fire up my VR and try some stuff
lone scroll
@rough pulsar no need
you have to set --no-vr in the launch.bat instead, i tried that one only in steam startup parameters
rough pulsar
Yeah, ``--no-vr` is the correct option to set to disable VR
idle nova
Oh, question regarding the new Minimum Displayed Performance Rank system: Will selecting "Show Avatar" in the menu allow us to override on an individual basis?
covert linden
probably
meager solstice
More than likely
idle nova
I'd assume so, which negates a lot of the issues with it
rough pulsar
It's also disabled by default on PC
idle nova
Yeah exactly
covert linden
itll be super good for people with potatoes
languid beacon
I can’t imagine why manual hide/show wouldn’t override everything
rough pulsar
Or those of us who care more about performance than someone's 100 material 5400 dynamic boned floppy waifu
rough pulsar
Nah it's always a gun
broken plover
with a sword together 400k polygons
languid beacon
They also got rid of the read/write bug which means people can’t cheat their performance rank anymore
covert linden
Ty vrchat for breaking my curser out of usability
To the point where In the settings menu IN vrc I couldnt even move my curswr
topaz dome
instent of fixing somthing som peeple have been asking for i would rather you fix somthing eveyone would like a volume botton on each person
covert linden
wym.. the fixes theyy will roll out for potato pcs.. are useful
languid beacon
I actually don’t want a volume per person honestly
covert linden
languid beacon
People need to fix their own mics
rough pulsar
Sometimes due to their setup even at max volume they're kinda quiet so being able to boost a user's volume would be useful
there's more reasons to have it implemented than not
topaz dome
asking eveyone to fix their mic would be like me asking eveyone to get good pcs cos i dont really care about peeple on potato rigs
languid beacon
When you have individual mic volumes per player it ends up worse in the long run
Trust me
covert linden
You should care. people on potato pcs care
As somenoe who used to own a system that got me a sexxyyy 15fps in vrchat, I care a lot lol
topaz dome
well care about my ears
covert linden
mute them
idle nova
"Hey can you adjust your mic gain" "There's at option in the quick menu" is a lot more reasonable than saying "Hey, buy a better computer you broke ass" I'm not sure how the two compare
topaz dome
maybe you dident read eveything i said
idle nova
Maybe I misunderstood the point you were making
topaz dome
and also diffent headsets so if you turn it down for me you might be to low for others if i have an option to turn you down you down need fix anything on your end
covert linden
just turn your headset volume down then
idle nova
If one person has their mic volume way higher than anyone else the solution isn't lowering my volume, it's getting them to lower their mic gain
vocal shard
For 7 days :: I need to advertise my Community Lab World while being a Mute on VRChat
covert linden
I echo a good 60% of the time and Nobody tellls me until I notice, solution is as simple as lowering my headset volume : /
idle nova
Which if you're polite and they're reasonable isn't that difficult
vocal shard
I hope people do not misjudge what I am doing since I am a Knuckles spawning a Knuckles World
idle nova
You're on your own their fam
vocal shard
Else it becomes a Racial Stereotype towards Knuckles and it shows people in VRChat are the real racists
covert linden
not really if the knuckles are also seen as racist in their own supposeldy
vocal shard
Anyone who calls someone a racist = Are racist; as they say... it is the "winners" who dictate what is and what is percieved to be.
rough pulsar
Okay sure. Just remember, that meme basically invaded and has left a less than pleasant impression on a lot of users.
languid beacon
Well make a canny for it. If most people want individual sliders then it should exist but I just think it’ll cause more hassle not less. Just one guy’s opinion from dealing with this sort of thing
covert linden
Thats not how it works
topaz dome
they ar giving you the option to pick what avatars to show so they dont tank your pc but not the option to have same said volume control
vocal shard
those who fail to see it as a Artform are hypocrites of Creativity
covert linden
If you call someone a racist for reasonable reasons, it doesnt make them racist
vocal shard
Anyone go join Kingdoms of Knuckles
covert linden
no
vocal shard
Kingdom of Knuckles it is on Community Labs
vocal shard
There's 37 empty portraits with your name on it, so you can make your own Knuckles art too
covert linden
better not be
vocal shard
So you can have a part in the world.
rough pulsar
It really is a dead meme now.
covert linden
I dont want a part in the world
vocal shard
The reason why it is called "Community" Labs is because it is about having the Community Involved.
covert linden
here brb ill draw for u
vocal shard
And therefore, I am trying to make Community
But I am never going to go in the world because.. I am going to be focusing on Kermits.
So... we need to build the world while I work on Kermits because it's the next big project.
echo brook
knackles
vocal shard
Okie I will put it on the next update when the world becomes Public
covert linden
I should go to sell my art, as you can see it is top of the line QUALITY u would see at a museum
tribal orbit
I hold the knuckles meme near and dear to my heart
It is what got me into the game in the first place
vocal shard
I just liked the Creator Content aspect of it; also I am a little off schedule when it comes to Creating the Avatars and their worlds; Kermits were supposed to be made in May
My addiction = To Create something Excessively.
It's my drug
Knuckles are stupid and pointless
Please join Kingdom of Knuckles World -- I need to get this done so I can move on to Kermits.
Else .. I will be stuck making Knuckles
I once said -- You don't stop till it's over. And even when it's over you keep going.
covert linden
thats how many movies and game series went to shit
by continueing instead of stopping with something good
vocal shard
I gotta keep trying till it's public then I can just updating the world without telling people and make Kermits
tidal parcel
Hello
vocal shard
hey anyone have trouble with logging to sdk?
i checked the support instructions and made all so its still having same issues on the 2017.4.15f1 and after cleaning paths and reggistry
vocal shard
I need to talk to someone who said "I blocked you because I was a Knuckles"
I was going to give him a Serious talk about how that gives me Anger issues inrls
and then I will inform them the reason is that it shows that I am an inferior being with no skills.
Hence I am Nonskiller. So that is why, you shouldn't block me jsut because.
I am a mute
Who was Oppressed by Humanity you know so it hurts
Also I blocked him.. so I needed to tell his friend I blocked him
rigid crescent
Or move on with your life
vocal shard
No
I need to inform them that when they do that they are Oppressing people
What?
And i demand an apology
rigid crescent
@vocal shard old guitars like this give me life
vocal shard
As you see I am an ugly person with an ugly voice with a 500 dollar mic
rigid crescent
This is why I stay
vocal shard
I know I am a poor person but I can't afford expensive mics
Now I have to find the world I was in to inform them of this Atrocity they did
What does a mic have to do with anything. You keep talking like mutes are opressed. I know plenty of mutes who play just fine
No. It's the Knuckles not the Mutes.
rigid crescent
Don't take the bait Jamie ;-;
vocal shard
This is about the Knuckles
The Mutes can be whatever they want.
anyone know why my body trackers work fine with vive pro but dont work at all when using pimax 8k? seems to be hit or miss
rigid crescent
Damn, Pimax master race? How does it look?
cursive tapir
switch your steamvr config?
vocal shard
Which trackers? Grey or blue logo? Which base stations?
cursive tapir
allow multiple drivers?
vocal shard
It should be fine 🤔
cursive tapir
Prolly have to do the same crap you do with rift + vive
vocal shard
4x 2.0 base stations
blue logo
Course if people were drunk; I could understand.. as I am an Non-Alcoholic and I don't do drugs
light pivot
make sure the trackers were being paired to their dongles and not to the radios in the headset; try going through the pairing process again
vocal shard
So it proves my inferirority
true sky
@vocal shard if they block you, they arent worth talking to
rigid crescent
Rift+ vive just needs baystations, which Pimax needs
vocal shard
No they hid my avatar
yeah i did that, steamvr picks them up just fine, vrchat however does not
so I blocked them
As you see... I have been a Knuckles for an entire year and it is a Stigma I developed
So it hurts
but when i launch vrc on the vive pro and the regular vive, it works just fine
so im lost
I just want to make the Knuckles World Public and become a Kermit.
hopefully doesnt happen w my index x_x
true sky
some people hide avatars all the time. it doesnt affect your trust rank status
cursive tapir
Everyone's avatar is hidden for me
light pivot
Yeah not sure, maybe something with pitool or something; no way for me to try to reproduce unfortunately since no pimax
doubt itll happen with the index
rose timber
@vocal shard make sure your trackers are not assigned in the bindings as "hands"
vocal shard
ppl on forums said its 'incompatible hardware' which made no sense whatsoever as it works fine on other HMD'
like, the manage trackers tab?
light pivot
ah true if you're switching out steamvr configs they could be set to hands on the pimax one
covert linden
it prob means you cant use the pimax with other controllers
vocal shard
likely
rigid crescent
You can tho
vocal shard
Well.. I can't find the world because they crashed it
im just confused about why people are saying its because of my nv-link, some my cpu and others just say 'hardware' isnt compatible on the pimax site
So.. I guess I wont give them my perspective to why I must be what I am.
vocal shard
Anyway.. How do I unblock people
ah i see
Nvm I unblocked him --
I dont feel like lecturing him on why I am a Knuckles.. I need someone to speak for me because I dont like talking
true sky
@vocal shard friend me in game
vocal shard
did
true sky
lemme launch up my game and ill be there
vocal shard
I dont think he's even there he's been quiet
but its okie now Legoman; I am going to try to relieve my stress
i feel like sleep ;c
Or a break from VRChat
true sky
i would probably take a break if it was to happen to me
vocal shard
Just hard to advertise a world; if anything kinda my fault for dropping a portal to a Community Lab world just to advertise it .. and it was Knuckles
I put it in a corner where it wasn't a trap
true sky
community labs worlds are unpredictable and some people are too scared to join them
its not entirely your fault, its the bad eggs who make terrorist simulators in the early stages that would crash your game or lockup your menu
broken plover
csgo
vocal shard
@rigid crescent especially those old classical acoustics
floral quiver
my VRChat keeps kicking me back home. and when i try loading a world it just ether stays a black screen or it fails to load and sends me to home worlds :/
vocal shard
Restart router & your pc as well was clean your cache
vocal shard
Dl speed doesn’t mean anything if you don’t have a stable connection to the vrc servers
tidal parcel
Hello
vocal shard
Hi
floral quiver
im also in a discord call. and when the VRChat world fails. the ping goes to 1000 in discord
but only when world fails
true sky
check with your ISP is all i can say if your ping goes up
floral quiver
A friend of mine just said they kept timing out. I dunno
pastel galleon
Vrchat needs a constant connection, it's very harsh and kicks you out of the world if you lose packets for a couple of seconds, your connection is not that stable
lone scroll
why cant some people not select avatars from my world
vocal shard
vrchat is odd for me with connection fsr, im on 10gb ethernet with a constant connection of 200 ping [IN AU] but download worlds at a VERY slow pace that seems like less than 2mb/s
lone scroll
it say for security reasons blablah, both the users cant, but the new user can
its my world
still lark
@vocal shard 10gb to your router or to the internet? :P
true sky
@lone scroll is it a public, community labs, or private world
lone scroll
private, because communitylabs only allows one and i deleted this weeks one.
true sky
it has to be a public world in order for steam users and anyone not a new user and up to select avatars from private worlds
true sky
🤔
inland rose
vrchat is screwy, itll just decide you disconnect even if your internet is stable, but its only been doing it to me a ton since 791. i would wait until they finish doing stuff with the network (network IK) before reporting anything. in the meantime if you keep rejoining your friends / maps it goes away (unless your internet is actually unstable)
covert linden
Ru far from the US
inland rose
i already tested everything on my end extremely thoroughly to the point where i took a stability test against 11 internet services in the US and everything was fine.
covert linden
Are you far from the US was the question.
coarse spoke
Heyyoooo
inland rose
no, i live in it
tidal parcel
Hello
coarse spoke
How are you?
tidal parcel
I’m ok
inland rose
i suspect its a bug in how vrchat determines if you're still connected or not but like i said we'll have to wait until after they're done working on the network IK
tidal parcel
you?
coarse spoke
Awww why just ok? And im going pretty well
tidal parcel
I don’t know,I mean my day was boring I guess
coarse spoke
I see what ya meannn
coarse spoke
Yeah i mean its in the middle of the day for me so things could still go wrong but 😂
tidal parcel
Oh for me it’s like the evening
coarse spoke
Where do you live? If you dont mind me asking?
coarse spoke
Ooooooooo I live in the US 😂
tidal parcel
Omg!
coarse spoke
Yeah in a weird state called Ohio 😂
tidal parcel
Oh I don’t recognise it but thanks for telling me anyways
coarse spoke
No problem! 😂😊
tidal parcel
I just searched it up and it looked like a nice place to live😂
coarse spoke
It's alright 😂 the weather is bipolar af 😂 onneee day it'll be like 70°f and the next it'll either be 100°f or 30°f 😂😂
covert linden
My friend lives in ohio
tidal parcel
Wow that’s cool
covert linden
I prefer illinois, thats where my childhood best frienf is
coarse spoke
It can be but the weather people never know whats going on 😂
covert linden
Someone is barbequeing im so hungry and jealou
tidal parcel
That’s sad
coarse spoke
Oooooo bbq sounds amazinggggg
covert linden
I dont have much time b4 work to eat but ima try
I just got over a stomach flu im starved
coarse spoke
Yeah!! I remeber one tone my mom got the stomach flu while we were camping in the middle of nowhere and she threw up so much 😩 I felt so bad for her
covert linden
See I had it so bad I lost a good 70% of my memories till I recovered
tidal parcel
Woah
coarse spoke
Omg!! I'm glad you're better!!
tidal parcel
i wonder what it’s like to lose your memory
inner cape
vocal shard
@inner cape stinky
inner cape
no u
inland rose
psuedomod is just as obnoxious as actually breaking the rules
tidal parcel
Are you bullying
vocal shard
Of course I am
covert linden
Lets bully ghosto!
inner cape
tidal parcel
I don’t wanna be mean...
covert linden
In vrchat
vocal shard
Alright buddy that’s it
coarse spoke
Nuuuu no bullyingggg
rough pulsar
How about we don't because they were right to suggest going to #general-media since the topic has drifted
tidal parcel
Yes I agree
coarse spoke
Oh I'm sorry @rough pulsar 😅 im new here and I dunno how things work
rough pulsar
We generally try to keep the discussion relevant to the channel, if it drifts too far off into whatever you get poked over to #general-media
coarse spoke
Okie dokie! Thank you!
rough pulsar
And if you haven't yet, spend a moment to read the #rules (there's one or two that might make no sense because they're really old and not relevant anymore. Mainly #12)
coarse spoke
Will do 😊
frail escarp
pidgey
near sky
#12 is no longer relevant?
Did some communication happen between VRC and MMD4Mechanim, or do we just care less now?
rough pulsar
It's mostly irrelevant now since CATS has practically replaced all functionality of it.
inland rose
were people just asking a bunch of questions about it when its maintained by a different group or something?
near sky
Fair enough; yeah
rough pulsar
The dev of the plugin didn't like that users were using it to bring MMD models into vrchat, so they wrote code into it to break the VRCSDK, effectively making it malware.
I haven't heard of it being used for a long time now. And it's best not to because it skips all the even basic optimizations. So that MMD with 300 materials and 50 meshes? Yeah that's going straight in and your fps is going down like a bowling ball across a lake.
near sky
Great for the community, and frame-rates
inland rose
oh dear yeah that makes sense
i just turn off all the sounds and shaders and everything but the basic avatar mesh for everyone who isnt a friend because theres always a bunch of top ranks who jump around maps to spam the most disruptive avatars possible. if its something thats actually going to be cool to watch they tend to ask you and friend you first
rigid crescent
Why turn all that off when you can just turn off animations...
inland rose
because they also blast overcompressed max volume music
covert linden
All u need is shaders and animations off snd your set
rigid crescent
Ok so
covert linden
My bf forces me to have those 2 off -;
rigid crescent
Why do you need to have anything but animation off
indigo fern
I'm pretty sure people still use MMD4Mechanim for vmd stuff
covert linden
People can shader crash supposedly
rigid crescent
So.....turn off animations
inland rose
theres still a way to play noises without needing the animations
covert linden
Iunnoo I just listen to what my bf tells me to do
inner cape
if you have animations off, they wont be able to summon anything in the first place
rigid crescent
And it's exceedingly uncommon
indigo fern
I've never seen anyone be so asshole-ish, but they could have their crash on by default and turn it off with an anim
rigid crescent
I mean hinder your experience all you want but know that animations are the only thing you need off 99% of the time
inland rose
people still shine bright spotlights everywhere and blast noise without animations
rigid crescent
I can guarantee you that almost never happens
inner cape
how would you know, you have them off
inland rose
at first i only had animations off
and people kept doing those so i had to also turn sounds and lights off
indigo fern
How is your PC? Do those types of things lock up your game?
rigid crescent
I've only ever blocked animations and i almost never see anything else disruptive. Tons of hours in publics since it dropped.
indigo fern
If so, fine i guess, if not literally just hide them specifically
inland rose
its just really loud and obnoxious
not exactly hindering my experience when all i want to do is relax and chat
rigid crescent
I mean looking at flat avatars is pretty big hindrance lol
inland rose
i only get a few who are a solid color and need shaders otherwise their avatar generally looks acceptable to me
rigid crescent
No blendshape, flat standard shader, sometimes broken because of certain aspects
Yikes
covert linden
Ew big yike
rigid crescent
Guess some people have low standards owell lol
inland rose
im in vr and then i chat in vrchat, i dont need anything else
rigid crescent
Why not block everything then? Even models?
inland rose
i would block non-friends models except it doesnt make the replacement dummy the same size as their avatar so their hands and gaze are all off. having a basic model is the minimum i need to see what they're doing and where they are looking
if i like them or they like me we become friends and all their stuff is on
generally a pleasant experience compared to just having everything on
rigid crescent
🤔 it seems overly paranoid but owell
vestal pier
a good alternative to blocking would be to let me switch peoples models to their quest version
that way i get a basic model, but its of them
rigid crescent
That'd be funny
inland rose
thats a good idea too except most everyone i see has a pc only model
blissful solar
Hello
rigid crescent
Most people I meet don't have one though
vestal pier
its tru ya
inner cape
just switches you to a random public quest model
inner cape
also, devs mentioned that they are working on making the blocked avatar correspond to a users current models height
i think they did...
inland rose
everyone is still the same height
inner cape
duh, now yes
covert linden
It wouldnt be possible but itd be funny
inland rose
the last time i met an actual crasher was back in january or early february, havent really seen any lately
rigid crescent
Best part is that avatar crashers aren't even that common any more it's mostly clients lol
inland rose
yeah someone was using a modified client to teleport all the physics objects in the pug into the same spot in front of the mirror to cause massive lag
i generally avoid the pug and the box unless one of my friends is in a friends+ instance of it
i go to hwabon night for meeting new people
heavy dawn
I went to that rainy room level and at first it was nice and then some "intellectual" had to complain about his right to use racial slurs so I just left. heh
Then the pug was fun-ish but even an almost empty instance was only about 30-40fps reported in the game menu in VR.
It didn't ever get much laggier except for a short bit. Then it got better. But the OG pug tends to be not great for performance.
I have seen fewer crashers for sure.
I used to screen record every time I played so I could just report people. Haven't felt the need to do that for a while.
median basalt
I don't like the post processing in that rain world
The post exposure is so high that all colors are blown out
inland rose
theres an in game report button you can use for hate speech and stuff now
icy tangle
Murder is back 
stoic halo
tfw you just upload your world and theres already a group of people sleeping in it
vocal shard
Sounds like a good world then
stoic halo
its just a generic rain world
vocal shard
Rain worlds are nice tho
stoic halo
im also gonna fight that one person to report it
near saffron
Murder left?
vocal shard
Murder right
near saffron
coarse anchor
