Also squishy the oculus S's tracking has been compared to 3 rift sensor vr
#vrchat-general-2
covert linden
atomic tusk
all you need to do to the vive is do the gearvr lense mod and you improve the visuals like insane
languid beacon
WMr is not good for vrchat because your hands will always be awkwardly held out in front of you. You can’t look normal
covert linden
As in really good tracking
atomic tusk
no more god rays and screen door is like nothing
covert linden
Thats not true Adeon. I stand with my hands at my sides just fine
lament dragon
finger tracking is in fact what I was thinking of
ruby burrow
All the proper (non-phone based) headsets include hand tracking. Currently the Rift offers partial finger tracking, and the Index offers detailed full finger tracking.
languid beacon
Interesting. Both wmr people I know always have their hands out in front of them
livid dew
Im waiting for a Ready Player one concept of VR
covert linden
Most people with wmr dont because holding them up is comfortable, moreso than at the sides
atomic tusk
we probably won't get full finger tracking in vrchat with the knuckles
ruby burrow
@covert linden I was referring to the Rift-S tracking coverage, rather than it's quality.
atomic tusk
people will want to flip the bird all the time for a laugh
covert linden
@atomic tusk iunno I mean the devs said they were working on it in their stream
And aah ok
languid beacon
The latest dev stream said otherwise @atomic tusk .
atomic tusk
@covert linden full tracking as in not being able to flip the bird...
covert linden
No thats not whar they meant
Also if you rig your model right you can give out the middle finger.
atomic tusk
yep an animation
ruby burrow
That too. 00039 is correct, at least for now it's unlikely to see true finger tracking in VRC itself for a while.
covert linden
No, a gesture
ruby burrow
Oh... wait.
languid beacon
Yeah what difference does it make if it’s an animation or hand tracking
atomic tusk
gesture = animation
ruby burrow
Well maybe I've missed some newer info.
languid beacon
If people want to harass they can do far worse without being able to flip people off using finger tracking
Nothing they will block lol
covert linden
With wmr I can swing my hands beside me, put them down at my siides, etc, I just keep my arms up because its more comfortable
But I put them down because I reaalized I looked super silly xD
ruby burrow
Raptor pose intensifies.
atomic tusk
They all should be destroyed
I hope they set up the track pad on the knuckles to where it activations your animations
ruby burrow
My favourite idle stance used to be standing with my hands crossed behind my back, partially due to how the avatar would stand before I got full body. Crossing arms in front resulted in them clipping inside the waist.
covert linden
Itd be gestures on to of your avatar fingue movements most likely
I tried to do a weeb pose but my hands being too close to my head made it not work well and so I cant do it with wmr
ruby burrow
Weeb pose? :3
covert linden
Im hoping with the s 5 cameras, ill be able to do it
atomic tusk
hmm I can do the gendo pose with knuckles :X
covert linden
Yeah its the chuunibyou one, where one hand goes to the other side of your hesd but like up, then the next hand at the bottom goung to the other side. Hard to explain tho
atomic tusk
psh does various jojo poses
covert linden
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539842993797070860/580826724162600961/original_28.gif
Here. Its the one she does in this gif
languid beacon
Need full body for that one
covert linden
Only the arms.
uncut gorge
@atomic tusk I have set up the touchpad on my knuckles to act the same as the touchpad on the vive so it can trigger gestures
It's fairly customizable, and there is even a 3rd party program that will use the realtime finger tracking to trigger a gesture when it recongizes that your fingers are in the position of one of the default VRChat gestures.
halcyon kestrel
hello humans
torn nebula
@uncut gorge how well does that work with the smaller touchpad?
uncut gorge
It takes a bit of getting used to, and since the touchpad is much smaller you have to be more precise, but it works pretty well. I have EV3 Knuckles, I hear it is better on the DV and later versions.
languid beacon
How did they decouple finger tracking poses from triggering custom animations?
Isn’t that the same input to vrc
uncut gorge
I don't believe the finger tracking data is natively passed to VRChat
requires a middleman to hook into OpenVR's code like the program I mentioned earlier
prisma chasm
Hey anybody knows about a problem where your avatar's head and neck are tilted downwards to where you are actually looking? I know that it happens on the rig if your position is too low, but it has been happening to me even on slight crouching positions
languid beacon
Is your avatar head bone tilted in unity?
uncut gorge
Also, are you desktop, VR, or VR with Full body trackers?
It's most likely as @languid beacon says, your head bone might be tilted forward
languid beacon
Even if it’s not visually tilted, the bone could be tilted backward while the model looks fine, meaning when vrc straightens the bone the head tilts forward
stoic tide
just got beat up at school today, nice!
languid beacon
Is that why you are disabled
prisma chasm
If I stand straight my head is straight, it only happens when I crouch which sounds unlikely like a problem of the bone right?
stoic tide
no...
languid beacon
Wow you changed your name and my message sounds horrible
prisma chasm
I mean wouldnt it be always tilted if it were the bone
stoic tide
thats just the part of this bought account.
languid beacon
Bought account?
stoic tide
languid beacon
What’s that mean
stoic tide
yeah. it was cheaper than discord nitro
languid beacon
Interesting
umbral reef
Might want to move to #general-media and not buy hacked acounts in the future..
prisma chasm
on non fbt VR btw
stoic tide
lol this is not hacked and this was from a freind.
ruby burrow
Anyone here know BlitZ_Vasilias? I need to ask him something but have no contact info outside of VR-Chat itself, and he's not logged in right now.
Need to check the date & time for something.
umbral reef
<@&397642795457970181>
ruby needle
c'mon that really was just one line, ofc its inappropriate not making any sense but not any emergency that needs a response withing a few seconds
The role is to be pinged if there is urgend need for moderation wether its a ongoing spam or some sensitive topic that goes unnoticed
umbral reef
Not like peeps normally spam more then one line
And guess il just quit pinging it
Been told to not ping the role unless its bad
Cant ping single staff as i been told off doing that just as much so eh
ruby needle
just dont ping the role for a message that got posted a few seconds ago and is no secondly ticking trough text line 
umbral reef
They where typing before the mention ~
vocal shard
Can inplay vrchat with ocolus quest?
umbral reef
You can but it will be in limited form
You can only play with other quest users and people who take the step to join special crossplay worlds.
slate verge
hopefully it will be popular overtime
glad hazel
is there an alternative to snail marker that doesnt cause the out of bounds poor rank?
atomic tusk
set up a toggle animation for snail marker
shadow plank
Is anyone able to help me out? theres always at least 3 avatars in a server that says error, and i am unable to load into some worlds, it tries to load me in super fast but it keeps starting back at 0, 4 times it does this until it sends me back to my home world
glad hazel
How do I set up a toggle animation for snail marker? @atomic tusk
gloomy charm
Anyone ever gone to TEAS avatar world?
vocal shard
You can rank up, it just takes longer and you can't upload. People say you can't rank up because it is rare to see a steam account at a higher rank. Most people at that point have merged their steam account to a full vrchat account
deep otter
ah
slate verge
i think i've seen some steam account users in the orange and purple name tags, though its kinda hard to tell since people can just rename
idle elm
Getting on a full VRChat account ASAP is a good idea 👍
umbral reef
Well with the merging there is no real rush
Just don't use a vrchat account before merging it if you want to keep your favorites. Favorites of the steam account won't get merged if the vrchat has any so.
idle elm
if you have any caveats to your statement, then I am right. 🤷
It's the best way to avoid any issues with losing any account data
umbral reef
Cba to find it on.mobile but I'll get you a link to the vrchat support page where it's listed
If I dontfall asleep before thinking of it that is
muted maple
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 5209 users in VRChat currently
umbral reef
Found it while on my phonehttp://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/24-i-want-to-turn-my-steam-account-into-a-vrchat-account/
covert linden
Ive seen too many people lose their data anyway (avatars)
umbral reef
That's another bug from what I get
covert linden
And all their vrc accounts were new
Oclac do you know any good web tutorials on uninstalling both the gpu drivers and the integrated graphic drivers
umbral reef
Not really
covert linden
My friends busy so I wanna just do it but I corrupted windows last time
graceful ermine
I'm Back
strange wagon
today i got invited by someone not in my friendslist multiple times. wth?
golden narwhal
Well, shit.
strange wagon
How 🤔
cinder wasp
Good day to all, how are you?!
strange wagon
i'm good. waiting for my pizza 
inner cape
friends system is really broken right now
strange wagon
not the only thing really broken in this update
👀
ppl are getting kicked for no reason and reload into the map which is also pretty annoying. and the audio bug when there's multiple ppl talking
and well desktop users break their neck when they crouch
today some instances went full slow mo. like you have 45 fps but everyone else is teleporting and moving very jittery
vocal verge
are audio issues with the quest a known issue atm?
looking at canny that would be yes
novel skiff
This has probably been said a million times already, but anyone else feel like body movement in VRChat seems to be delayed lately?
If I want to high-five someone, I put my hand up, and they see my hand literally seconds later. People seem to respond to my movement much later than it actually happens, like there's some sort of massive delay between what I do and what they see.
I know they changed IK in one of the latest updates, can this have anything to do with it?
Interaction with other people has become... a little slow.
strange wagon
not sure about quest specific audio issues but there is a massive audio issue atm in general.
@novel skiff it is very much delayed rn
i tested it with a friend
novel skiff
Damn that kind of sucks.
I hope they can work it out, this is quite game-breaking
strange wagon
it's a good long second delay
and you hear what they say before they move
people also take very long to load in. you see their avatar but you see them move their arms etc. later
slow plaza
hi
fluid ibex
well i'm kinda starting to get annoyed by something on vr chat maybe a bug idk but it's annoying i keep loosing one of my avatars that i like and i have to wait weeks or months t'ill i find someone that has it to save it again and it's annoying me
strange wagon
to put into perspective. if my friend or me says to drop our arms on 3 2 1 go
his arm drops a second later on my end. and so does mine on his
novel skiff
@fluid ibex I have noticed favourite avatars to bug out quite often. Sometimes one randomly duplicates only to be fixed again 10 minutes later.
@strange wagon That explains why stuff seems so off... It's actually slow. That sucks.
strange wagon
so he/me has to drop it on 2 for us to be in sync for each other lol
desktop users movement look better than before imo. but their necks break when they crouch
fluid ibex
@novel skiff it says "avatar not available" and it has been way more than 10 mins that i'm waiting
strange wagon
they have sort of a wavy movement going on idk
that's a bug
some avatars randomly said not available for me too for no reason
worlds with a lot of ppl tend to kind of break too
on a more positive note. i met my first oculus quest user today 👀
It was kind of awkward because the quest can not see avatars above 5k poly
sleek bone
In all avatars
strange wagon
weird
covert linden
mines working
novel skiff
Visemes seem to work normally for me, except in mirrors. But they've never worked correctly in mirrors (mouth stuck open or animation stuck halfway)
covert linden
works for me for mirrors and others
fossil granite
Hey, I have a question. So, recently I decided to "combine accounts" in Vrchat (if you go into your settings in Vr chat, and scroll to the bottom , you have the option of merging both your steam and Vr chat account) and I did it because I just thought "why not". So long stories short, when I had finished setting up everything, and went back to Vrchat to see if anything had changed, I had noticed that my ranking had got switched from "User rank" to "Visitor", but all of my avatars, saved worlds, ect. were still in place. I've put a lot of time and effort into this game, and I really want my status back :(. Does anybody know what's going on, or if there's anything I could do to fix this?
covert linden
youre lucky you got to keep your avatars
Also it takes 2 hours for everything to fully switch over
fluid ibex
@strange wagon what are you doing when you lose an avatar that u like you just wait like me t'ill u see someone that has it or u found a way to fix it ?
fossil granite
But, it's been a few days since then...
covert linden
You can contact support@vrchat.com about it then
fossil granite
Okay thank you.
novel skiff
I've heard stories like that before, apparently VRChat support can't do anything about ranks since it's a fully automated system. I don't know what that is all about...
grizzled depot
For some reason avatars have been loading in slower for me today
strange wagon
they load slower in general dw
covert linden
clear ur cache
sleek bone
@covert linden it's much faster to make a new project
strange wagon
especially until they can move
novel skiff
The entire game seems a bit off in general.
sleek bone
For quest avatar upload
fossil granite
were you talking to me?
fossil granite
I was talking to Reaa
strange wagon
man i knew quest is a step down but holy. it's so restrictive and weak
grizzled depot
Yea but I haven't really noticed until I stepped into the box with a bunch of blue men still around.
strange wagon
i don't even think they can see dynamic bones
strange wagon
finding a good 5k poly avatar is gonna be a challenge lol
novel skiff
I really don't think many avatar creators are gonna scale their avatars down to Quest compatibility level.
Many avatars simply can't be optimized that far while still being the same avatar.
sleek bone
and you only have a three material limit and you can only use vrchat provided shaders
queen mango
Aren't DynBones CPU-intensive?
sleek bone
obv
sleek bone
At least 10k would've been better
novel skiff
I wonder how this is gonna work out.
I doubt there gonna be anyone's favourite waifu avatar on Quest, because the level of detail of most avatars simply can't be toned down to Quest requirements.
sleek bone
I have so many models that are like 10k poly and below and 5k above
harsh star
strange wagon
they also can't enter regular worlds
sleek bone
Unless your waifu is from League.
strange wagon
with more than 10 people. they simply lag too much
sleek bone
The only regular worlds is cross compatible ones
novel skiff
I enjoy cross-compatibility, but I've heard a lot of Quest users already feeling out since they just see PC bot avatars.
strange wagon
that quest person followed us into the regular pug saying it was unplayable
yea it's mega awkward
5k is just too low to bother
you'd have to really dig deep
novel skiff
Looking at the avatar I'm using right now, it's quite detailed. You'll have to ditch a lot of these details for it to make 5k polygons.
strange wagon
i mean i got a 350k poly down to 69k poly
novel skiff
Single material seems reasonable for mine
sleek bone
I have a 9k polys avatar.
strange wagon
but getting 50-70k to 5k? idk
strange wagon
even the god damn pokemon avatar i have is 20k
sleek bone
Just not as scuffed but still. Zero visemes
strange wagon
nintendo ds more power than quest? 👀
novel skiff
I've tried getting 20k down to 5k.
Yes it works, it's doable, takes a lot of work and you lose quite a bit of detail and it's not to my satisfaction, but getting 40/50k avatars down is very very difficult.
sleek bone
They're trying to make it have higher fps
novel skiff
Quest is a snapdragon 835 if I recall correctly, it should be a fairly powerful chip but it's still just an ARM based system-on-a-chip
sleek bone
Everything for frames
novel skiff
Just a phone CPU
sleek bone
I have 4 already
strange wagon
i wanna express myself as a unique avatar to these new ppl 👀
sleek bone
Three are based from existing ones.
strange wagon
the only ppl buying quest are gonna be the ones that have a potato pc probably
sleek bone
I am a Mac user
strange wagon
but i don't think any sane person would want to not see any avatars
fossil granite
Do you guys think if I logged out and re logged in, that would help? (with me being able to see my social status)
novel skiff
I kinda stepped out of avatar creation. I feel like I wanna get back in again after Quest release, but I don't have a lot of inspiration.
I'd rather just find some avatar I like and use that. I just hate having no control over the avatar whatsoever and being completely dependent on the creator. If he decides to suddenly change the avatar, there's nothing I can do about it.
I also have no power to make a Quest-compatible version of it.
strange wagon
i had a big break too @novel skiff
i was inspired after seeing a certain avatar on bowlroll and made a custom avatar out of it. i love it
novel skiff
I've come to a point I just want to play the game lol.
I no longer feel like fiddling with avatars trying to make it to something I like.
strange wagon
new avatars are like new toys to me
and making custom ones doesn't take long if you already know what you want to do with it
cats makes it quite convenient
fossil granite
Yooo it worked
novel skiff
I generally choose one and use it forever.
My favorite last successful avatar I used for like 5 months.
Then a friend found one he thought really fit my personality and I liked it, so I used that one.
strange wagon
but recently i've been in my one custom one 90% of the time i like it too much
novel skiff
I've got the hang of retopology now to easily make a low-poly version of an avatar, but it's just so difficult to keep the details I like.
I will probably have to settle with a fairly low quality version of my avatar for Quest users.
Even that is still much better than PC bot though.
I first want to see how popular VRChat gets on the Quest, I kinda have this feeling that the average Quest user isn't really interested in VRChat. A lot of PC VR players already aren't, but the Quest is really trying to reach the mainstream. Most of the "mainstream" people I see don't really like the idea of VRChat since they're looking for game-games where you do stuff based on an objective.
The entire social experience is not what a lot of people are looking for it seems. But I could be (and hope to be) wrong.
vocal shard
ok
novel skiff
I enjoy your high effort response, very high quality argument.
strange wagon
lament dragon
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covert linden
ok awesome, so youll be able to run vr!
from squishy:
WMR: Roughly $250 to $400 - Headset mounted tracking, reasonable display, more limited frontal tracking only.
Rift-S: $400 - Headset mounted tracking, good display, slightly fuller tracking than WMR but not quite omnidirectional still.
Vive: $500 - High quality tracking using external base-stations, display now a little outdated, "budget option for FBT".
Valve Index: $1000 - High quality tracking using external base-stations, overall best display & FoV available, special new controllers, FBT compatible.
Quest: $400 - No PC needed, headset mounted tracking, good display, wide angle but frontal tracking, wireless, limited battery life, more limited games/performance, major limitations for VRC.
my biggest reccomendation is the Rift S, people are trading even their Vives for it, its a wonderful headset!
dim steeple
strange wagon
wow it feels near impossible to get 20-30k down to 5k
decimating already low poly models makes them look shitty real quick
i got from 30k down to 10k. best i can do without making noticable changes
🤔
vocal shard
hey
pastel dust
I have Valve Index
pastel dust
no I got it xD
desert stratus
doubt, unless ur a dev or a part of the VR press
pastel dust
my brother works there
desert stratus
ok duud...
pastel dust
😋
lunar shell
If you don't have proof don't bother
desert stratus
your brother would be violating a pretty big NDA rn if that were the case tho
dim sonnet
My x works at x reason makes me suss
lunar shell
🙄
pastel dust
😎
desert stratus
tbh i wish you actually had an index
pastel dust
@desert stratus what's a index?
desert stratus
wouldnt have to wait for the stewpid NDA to lift on the 29th > <
dim sonnet
Alright mr wape I get it. Have a good sleep now
pastel dust
@dim sonnet xD
lime terrace
I have something to ask. How do you play VRChat through the Quest? Is there some sort of SteamVR thing that requires a powerful enough PC, or is it in some sort of built in an app store?
lime terrace
So VRChat is located in some kind of app store, right?
I'm just asking where to go to access VRChat when/if I get the Quest
desert stratus
vrchat will be right there on the oculus store
its the only store you will see in the quest
queen mango
You play VRChat right through the Quest. And yes, you can find the game in the Oculus Store. @lime terrace
lime terrace
Thank you :3
queen mango
Speaking of which, I'm torn between two choices: Quest or Rift S? Adding to the fact that I have yet to buy my own VR-ready PC.
And the fact I have to order either of the two online.
lime terrace
One thing I'm sad about is that the Quest doesn't have full body tracking for VRChat as I've heard
Hm.. I wonder if room/body trackers will one day be compatible with the Quest
small wing
@queen mango To answer you as a PC user who as tried an Oculus Go. It depend's on if you plan on playing for long sessions. Both platforms have their own plus sides such as being able to plop down on a couch or wherever you wanna relax with the Quest. If you are on PC you get to play as long as you want because you are not tied to the battery life, which I can tell you was a problem for me on the oculus go.
Although I have heard rumors that the Quest can support external battery banks. So it might not be that bad.
Also Oculus has gotten really good at their ASW tech so lower framerate on the Quest is actually super nice on the eyes.
vagrant estuary
dose any one know how to merge a steam account and vrc account????
queen mango
You'll find the option in-game as well. It's on the bottom-right of the panel in the Settings tab
vagrant estuary
yes i know but i have no idea what a steam link token is or how to find it
is there any way to find the mergetoken
?
queen mango
I see, Red.. Though my preferences lean quite more on the Rift S for PC, I do find the prospect of showing VR to my classmates to be entertaining, which the Quest can allow for, conveniently
glass spire
i understand i have to post this at the support
desert stratus
ikr!
glass spire
desert stratus
duud, ivee been like
glass spire
anyfix?
desert stratus
asking sround my school to see if any rich kid was willing to buy. A quest
small wing
Get the S first. Quest will drop in price after a while.
vagrant estuary
thanks
desert stratus
just so they can show it to eveyone / flex on all of the people who like switches
and yeah id sy the same thing
idk hoow interested u are in other vr games elire,
but if u mainly plan on playing vrchat id reccommend getting pcvr first
too early for content and players to blow up on vrchat quest uwu
small wing
Plus i remember you mentioning being a desktop scrub a while back, best to have the PC experience hit ya full force for the wow factor.
queen mango
Quite a bit interested in VR, actually. I did get to try out a bit of phone VR games during my school's expo. While it isn't bad, it coulda been done better.
desert stratus
dude ur gonna love any kind of vr past phone ^ ^
small wing
PC is amazing for someone who didn't use vr at all. Quest might be a bit underwhelming for someone who wants to have it all hit at once.
desert stratus
ehh idk
i think quest would be more "holy fuck my pants just fused to my ass because of the heat of the massive shit i just took" to anyone new to vr
small wing
First day in VR for me was when I played a horror map lol
desert stratus
or more accurately, to anyone who was obly mildly familiar with vr
small wing
Bad idea, too real man.
desert stratus
great content? no wires? no 800 dollar pc or sensor fuckery?
id be fucking estatic if i was out of the loop and first exposed to vr proper via quest
desert stratus
m
queen mango
Same here. I only had a bit of taste of VR through VR videos and VR phone games as mentioned before.
Though at this point, PCVR would be the full course.
small wing
PC is a lot better for the immersion. But one could also argue that having the ability to take the Quest anywhere they want can also add to the immersion.
For instance on Quest you could go out in a large field literally anywhere and be able to walk in game.
Might not be right on this, but I have heard people talking about trying it. ^
vagrant estuary
i dont have the upgrade my account button what do i do now
small wing
Do you plan on making content? @vagrant estuary
vagrant estuary
i plan on making avatars if thats what you mean
small wing
Was just making sure so I could stop you from wasting time lol. Most people get told to upgrade their account even though they dont need to.
vagrant estuary
but to do that i would like to have my account and all my friends and hours in one account
small wing
If you go on the VRChat official website there should be a guide to merging you account.
vagrant estuary
but i have no idea how ive asked the support and looked it up
it ses i need a merge token and then thay dont tell you how to find it
small wing
If i remember correctly that should just be your steam ID
meager solstice
@vagrant estuary the token can be generated ingame
vagrant estuary
how whuld i do that
meager solstice
go onto ur steam account ingame and the "merge" button should be in the menus
vagrant estuary
ok let me look
meager solstice
@vagrant estuary if i remember correctly it should be in the bottom left somewhere in the menu
floral aspen
!cleancache
floral flaxBOT
You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them
vagrant estuary
all i see is logout and exit vrc
frozen kayak
random question but does anyone know of a world that has ice cream you can pick up in it?
stray quartz
desert stratus
👍
sharp hornet
Hey, did anything change in regards to animation and props recently?
I've just logged on after awhile and apparently the animations I've made for some of my avatars don't work anymore.
slate verge
blackhole-chan is everywhere now
rigid crescent
Oh, there was an update to a new Unity version
sharp hornet
Did that update break alot of animations?
rigid crescent
Like gameobject on/off?
sharp hornet
Animations that are only called when a gesture is triggered.
rigid crescent
oh, just normal ones
a reup should fix those too, test it out on one of the models
but you also need to upgrade to the newer unity version
there should be a guide in there on all of it
sharp hornet
Which would screw up the current configs though.
So those animations still work, but I have to do them again?
What animations no longer work though? Like the dynamic bone components on my avatars no longer work, yet the color trail of one of my avatar works.
rare mason
anyone on quest unable to use their microphone when casting to an iphone?
queen mango
What Unity version are you in, @sharp hornet?
sharp hornet
It was the previous 5.6.3d1 or something like that, updated to new one.
Tried to reupload with new sdk, but it resulted in errors which prevented me from modifying the avatar.
I updated unity too.
V 2017.4.15f1 is the newest one no?
queen mango
The current version of Unity that VRChat uses is Unity 2017.4.15f1
Is that the version you're using?
sharp hornet
Yeah, that's the version that wrecked my old project files.
Cause it would try and "update" the files in the project.
queen mango
Quite possibly, you may have to reupdate your avatars and worlds to that version as well.
sharp hornet
Yeah, which is too much trouble.
Given the time spent on the custom animations and etc.
queen mango
Shouldn't be too complex, as far as I know.
Maybe people at #avatars-2-general can answer that better than me.
sharp hornet
I've since given up, since it took me easily over 10 hours just to get a muzzle flash and sound to work.
Just to be broken a year or two later, it's kind of disheartening.
But what can I do? I've deleted the model project files as a result.
rigid crescent
have you uploaded the avatar in the correct unity vresion
prisma kelp
yeah shes using the same as me
rigid crescent
like i siad, a reup fixes a lot of issues
prisma kelp
like mine is and always has been fine
rigid crescent
oh i meant the other dude
coral lagoon
I've decided to start making a quest compatible avatar world
Mostly because I feel bad for quest users since they don't have that many avatar options
I can't believe I haven't seen one quest compatible knuckles
vocal shard
The quest limitations actually makes me excited to try avatar creation again. Seeing what you can do within the limits
coral lagoon
I'm pretty sure there's a lot it can be done. I've seen models that the only reason why it wouldn't be quest compatible is the several materials that it has
vocal shard
Add modifier> decimate 0.1 done
coral lagoon
And an atlas just solves this
main jasper
Getting a wierd Your connection has 'timed out' message when I try to log into VRChat, reasons for this?
true timber
anyone else having issues with loading into worlds right now? loading screen just stays stuck
lapis lark
I'm having issues even starting the game, I have a connection but it keeps saying I don't
slow chasm
Does anyone know if it is possible to run the Oculus quest on Windows? I would like to do it just because my computer can't handle regular VRChat 60% of the time.
queen mango
Pretty sure the Quest runs on its own Operating System.
And as VRChat's optimized for the Quest, you should find it to be a more consistent experience in terms of performance.
vocal shard
modified android
queen mango
Modified. Modified version of Android, that Oculus Quest runs on.
kindred briar
vocal shard
ah
swift thicket
o
swift thicket
what...
ashen ocean
ㅠ추 ㅣㅐㅣ
swift thicket
yeoboseyo
cold talon
Uhh
swift thicket
hahaha
cold talon
Greetings form the international channel o/
swift thicket
naneun hangugmal-eul malhagoissda.
ashen ocean
Is there any korean or any asian channels hete?
cold talon
Yeah, scroll down on the channel list, should be quite low
swift thicket
Vrchat asian i guess..
ashen ocean
Okay thank you :3
ashen ocean
:D
swift thicket
anyone wanna chat haha
queen mango
Anyways, good evening, you two. I'm from PH
ashen ocean
Sure lol I'm practicing my grammar
swift thicket
Ph?
queen mango
🇵🇭
ashen ocean
Phillipines?
swift thicket
queen mango
Great place to spend the summer months there, though it can get pretty hot at times
swift thicket
i heard there its so hot..
ashen ocean
Well phillipines is my go to list if i have small budget
Since it's really cheap there
queen mango
Quite much. If you like shopping, you can look out for SM Malls
ashen ocean
Oh yes
swift thicket
anyways what is it like in the PH @queen mango
queen mango
Well. It's a pretty nice place, but it can get pretty hot, and humid, especially during June to September.
The food here is also delicious. Adobo, Tinola, Menudo, Mechado, etc.
ashen ocean
My only struggle there is my english lol
queen mango
Even sisig.
sonic verge
This recent update really took a hit on the playerbase huh
swift thicket
oh
sonic verge
And ayyoo
swift thicket
do anyone know a meme server lol
dawn pecan
SteamVR is also partly to blame, apparently teh newest update broke VR for some
So you need to rollback the version in Steam or something. Saw it on Twitter
swift thicket
mk
dawn pecan
Do you mean the online API for user data?
quick kayak
Ofc no, the client. I'm going to try something.
dawn pecan
Well, they use the same API
dawn pecan
No idea. It's just online JSON files to me. They might use some standard
crisp brook
Hello
slate verge
hello
slate verge
thats good~
vocal shard
Nice
slate verge
do you guys know if oculus controllers would work with vive headset and full motion tracking? (in a scenario for rich people)
this is to get the most experience out of vrchat
vocal shard
No. Oculus locks their controllers to their ecosystem. You can use Vive controllers or knuckles with other headsets if you have the base stations, but not Oculus controllers with others
slate verge
wow okay, that was a long shot there.
vocal shard
You could upgrade your Vive controllers to index/knuckles controllers though
slate verge
are the index/knuckles controllers good?
native topaz
vocal shard
Yes. They are better than touch controllers. Full finger tracking compared to 3 finger partical tracking from the rift controllers
lilac swan
AFAIK in the latest steamvr update you can now emulate other types of controllers, so in the case knuckle controllers don't have native support in time for release it might be worth emulating touch controllers with them
slate verge
interesting. I might upgrade my vive set with those controllers then.
vocal shard
Cool ^^
slate verge
i don't think anyone mixed with other vr sets before, have people done it?
lilac swan
To be specific it only track finger curl. Which is still super nice but not complete finger tracking.
vocal shard
People have used Vive and knuckles controllers with Windows mixed Reality before. And Vive trackers with oculus as well
So it's been tackled before
slate verge
now thats an interesting perspective and experiences
vocal shard
I have a friend who uses a Samsung Odyssey headset and Vive controllers and full body
slate verge
ooooo.....
vocal shard
Unfortunately you need to calibrate it each play session, so it takes an extra few minutes to get going
slate verge
ouch...
dawn pecan
Why can't it save the calibration state per avatar?
Seems to me like it would be easy to add. You'd only need to adjust it when it bugs out
vocal shard
Hmm? No I mean to sync the Windows mixed Reality tracking system and the Vive tracking system when starting steamvr
dawn pecan
Oh, I misunderstood. I'm not sure about mixing systems like that
Just wish FBT would be more convenient
vocal shard
But yeah, even that should have an option to save playspace data. You'd think it should
swift thicket
who know any servers?
rotund wren
Youd think it should but without the headset they have no orientation of where they are hence when mixing the play space is backwards compared to your actual vr playspace
tiny ginkgo
what kinds of servers do you mean @swift thicket
signal lily
I racked up enough graduation money to get myself a headset. I'm real excited to play this game
slate verge
thats great
rotund wren
What firmware?
vocal shard
hm..
rotund wren
What do you mean by reset firmware?
rotund wren
Nolo?
vocal shard
Yes Vr Controller
rotund wren
Vive controller?
slate verge
it must be a 3rd party vr controller? don't think i've heard of it
rotund wren
Ah yikes I'm not sure for that one bud. Sounds like it has nothing to do with this game though so probably best to ask the manufacture or wherever you bought them.
Highly doubt anyone around he uses pimax
vocal shard
Thx
slate verge
i had a dream that the dev's fixed the crouch neck bug ._. turns out it wasn't
bright widget
Is there a way to read a crash report? the txt file inside it?
slate verge
unsure, but i thought i remembered someone saying they could
floral flaxBOT
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat named output_log.txt
summer parrot
Hello
signal lily
@desert stratus sorry I missed your question. I'm getting an Oculus Quest
polar jasper
The crash report itself is located where the main game is stored
slate verge
hello
desert stratus
coolio!
summer parrot
How is everyone
desert stratus
id be online all day today after i get home to greet u and everyone else buuut
covert linden
The outputlog is the "crash report" @polar jasper
desert stratus
gotta touch up on another vr game coming to quest cuz i lowkey suck at it atm
covert linden
If its not titled outputlog its not what u want.
signal lily
Aw it's all good! We'll have to talk some time 😁
desert stratus
yeye ^ ^
slate verge
@summer parrot things are well, could be better
summer parrot
Yeah glad to hear that
polar jasper
The output log only tells you what happened while you were in game. If the game crashed unexpectedly then it won’t store anything in the output log but rather create a crash report in the games main folder. So it’s not a crash report, it’s a console log
covert linden
Then why would devs want the outputlog when you get crashed and never ask for a different log
polar jasper
As I said, it tells you what happened in game. It’s to get what happens up to the point of you crashing.
If the game crash unexpectedly because if something in the code then it will not write to the output log
A crash report is a crash report. The output log is a console dump
covert linden
If youre so educated on ut then why dont you know how to open it?
polar jasper
What? I know how to open both
uncut ermine
👀
covert linden
From what I was aware the outputlog had all the information youd ever need an more but the contents I dunno of
Oh it wasnt you who asked pf
I have never seen anyone ask for a crash log tho why would they need it? Devs ask for outputlogs
slate verge
🤷
polar jasper
As I said, if the game crashes unexpectedly it will not write to the output log but create a crash report (this is from Unity's code) that is stored where the game is located.
But the devs want the output logs because 99% of the cases that people report the game didn't crash unexpectedly.
So it's more of don't call it a crash report because it isn't. It's a console log / dump
That's all 😛 That way people aren't misinformed when the devs actually ask for crash reports
covert linden
Oh so unexpectedly is like, beyond crashers and system fault, just when theres an error in code?
polar jasper
It can be crashers too, but the reason they don't ask for it then is because they know and just want to know who
So you crashing because of the particles is seen as "unexpected"
covert linden
Oh I see
quaint forum
hey
vocal shard
Hey I'm saving for a VR Headset rn and idk if I should get a Vive or a Rift S
Can someone give me advice?
covert linden
Would full body tracking like moving your leggies be something you wanna get soon in the future?
vocal shard
I would want to but idk how soon
Probably not before the next gen of VR stuff
so like at least a year or two
covert linden
Next gen is coming out now, that is the valve and the rift, which are the only headsets id suggest getting
vocal shard
Oh so I shouldn't get a vive?
covert linden
not really, its outdated tech
vocal shard
Okok
covert linden
ive got a list on all the vrs give me a second
from squishy:
WMR: Roughly $250 to $400 - Headset mounted tracking, reasonable display, more limited frontal tracking only.
Rift-S: $400 - Headset mounted tracking, good display, slightly fuller tracking than WMR but not quite omnidirectional still.
Vive: $500 - High quality tracking using external base-stations, display now a little outdated, "budget option for FBT".
Valve Index: $1000 - High quality tracking using external base-stations, overall best display & FoV available, special new controllers, FBT compatible.
Quest: $400 - No PC needed, headset mounted tracking, good display, wide angle but frontal tracking, wireless, limited battery life, more limited games/performance, major limitations for VRC.
vocal shard
The main offputting thing for me though is the fact that it loses tracking if I put my hands behind my head
covert linden
the rift S actually tracks well back there, just not perfectly as its out of the cameras range but it has accelerometeres
The rift S is nice, because its instant roomscale, you can go anywhere, and you dont need to worry about going out of the base stations (Every other vr headset excluding wmr will make you put sensors around your room)
Oh and are you sure your system can handle VR?
vocal shard
I have a gtx1070 so yeah
covert linden
well whats the cpu and ram?
vocal shard
16GB ddr2400 and idk about my cpu but its definitely not a problem
covert linden
PC or laptop?
vocal shard
Thank you very much <3
If anyone else can give input tho I'd appreciate it, Vive or Rift S? (i wanna get more than 3 opinions xd)
covert linden
You should look into valve
vocal shard
The Index is too expensive for me
covert linden
people have been selling their vives for the rift S and index
Oh and do you need glasses?
vocal shard
the index is like £920, maybe when I get a job I'll save for it
No I don't need glasses
covert linden
Ah okay, just making sure because the Vive cant fit them
This is what someone said yesterday, about the RIft S vs vive
First off, IPD adjustment is way better.
Secondly, I can actually use my glasses with it
Third, Headphones fit snugly on it
Fourth, The headset itself is cozy as heck
Fifth, The tracking's way better than i thought it'd be, and i can actually reach behind myself a bit.
Sixth, Guardian. It's so great because i press a button, and bam i can see my room, and walk around.
Seventh, Controllers feel great and natural, unlike with the vive controllers where i feel like i'm holding two big sticks
8th, Don't even notice the Refresh rate change from 90 to 80, It still feels smooth and cozy.
And finally, No base stations to set up.
vocal shard
the passthrough is attractive
covert linden
only reason id suggest getting a vive over the Rift S is if you want full body before buying another headset, (each leg tracker is 100$ each, so the cost goes up to 1000$ for the vive + FBT)
vocal shard
Yeah I honestly think I'm gonna wait till theres a good alternative to a 1k setup for fullbody
there was a talk i found which looked promising
covert linden
thats not gonna be what you think it is
vocal shard
stilll
covert linden
If that does ever come out (2022), its not going to work for vrchat like youd expect, its not gonna be the fullbody you desire as ive heard many say
vocal shard
its a step
uncut gorge
@vocal shard If you plan on getting full body trackers in the future, then the Vive will provide you an easier upgrade path to that. If you don't plan on full body tracking anytime soon, then the Rift S is by far the best bang for your buck on the market right now
covert linden
The full body will be the 3 trackers for 100$ each, this facebook solution isnt the solution you can aim for
vocal shard
yeah i know but im just saying it looked like the tech was being worked on and it might be going somewhere xd
uncut gorge
Steam VR 2.0 tracking is probably the best we'll see on the consumer market for some time
covert linden
Im selling my oculus Rift for the Rift S personally
vocal shard
i kinda wanna wait to see if htc announce anything else
covert linden
theyre working rn on their cosmos
and theyre working on their 'vive focus plus'
which isnt a consumer headset according to the information im reading, so I wouldnt hope on them competing with another big headset anytime soon
vocal shard
oh ok
covert linden
The headset if you want FBT and can afford it > Valve
If not > vive
If you dont want fbt, and you want a great experiance, > Rift S
vocal shard
so no new $500 htc headset for a few years at least?
covert linden
Its not guarnteed theyll even make one, I cant see them lowering the price of their current one at any point to make room for a new one
vocal shard
I think i'll get a rift s then and when i get a consistent income i can start saving for a Valve Index
tysm for the help <3
covert linden
Nppp
vocal shard
I met a nice guy yesterday in VR but i lost him suddenly 😮
Tragic
yees
sry for the emoji
it was a mistake
anyone have any suggestions for avatar worlds to check out
covert linden
Kareedas airship
quaint forum
hey
vocal shard
will the index controllers work with the Rift S?
covert linden
No
covert linden
the oculus S comes with super cozy controllers, only the vive and valve can use the knuckles
The vive supposedly has terrible controllers tho : P
but the way oculus controllers work, is pretty much when you do the gesture it does it ingame for the mostpart
uncut gorge
@vocal shard you can use index controllers on the rift S, but you will need some 3rd party software, and a pair of vive or index base stations
vocal shard
Ah okay
inner cape
thats not true
tribal orbit
Vive trackpads degrades fast
inner cape
they havent even been shipped, theres no way they already developed the app to do it
uncut gorge
That is very true, I've done it myself
inner cape
huh
uncut gorge
The software does nothing more than rectify the two separate playspaces into one, it doesn't care what headset those two playspaces are from
And there are lots of us who already have knuckles/index controllers
covert linden
I just meant no as by itself its not really something to set a goal on
because its not a cheap solution
uncut gorge
yeah it's not a cheap solution at all
halcyon kestrel
😇
vocal shard
the hand tracking on the rift s is really offputting looking
covert linden
Whats that mean?
uncut gorge
for 99% of use cases it's fine
vocal shard
the way the controllers lose tracking behind me and stuff
covert linden
I saw someone who had it in vrchat last night, the S, they showed me how great it was, they had roomscale, they were able to do a lot of things
How often realistically are you putting your hands behind you? Theres again accelorators in the controllers that map where they are so they even function when theyre behind you, theres people who tested it in games where thats essential and had absolutely no issue reaching behind them
vocal shard
i realllly want to be able to fluff my own ears kemonomimi ears ok?
covert linden
your ears arent on the back of your head
Theres a camera right on top of the Rift S
vocal shard
ah still
covert linden
Youll be able to pet your ears, I can even do that On wmr which only has 2 cameras
uncut gorge
I'm not an Oculus fan at all, but the Rift S is a damn good setup for the price
covert linden
The guy claimed that he could put his hands all the way behind him and the only way it lost tracking, was if he was looking straight forward and his arms were 100% straight behind him, And the second hed turn his head theyd re-track
languid beacon
@vocal shard https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DZIaAHJRQzI
vocal shard
oh my god wow
languid beacon
Index will be better but oculus touch gesture tracking is fine
vocal shard
o h m y g o d w o w
past cipher
Man I can't wait until I'm rich.
languid beacon
It can’t do any pose it just recognizes the common things (fist, relaxed, spread, point, thumbs up, finger gun, peace, rockout)
Rockout doesn’t actually make sense and is more like a middle finger lol
uncut gorge
The Knuckles controllers behave the same way in VR chat when you use https://github.com/pushrax/VRC-Knuckles-Emulator
languid beacon
Like if you flip people off you just do rockout
restive forum
vocal shard
languid beacon
Can anyone with Index/knuckle controllers let me know if the analog stick feels awkwardly positioned
It looks it but I’ve never held one
uncut gorge
It's positioned fine
languid beacon
Ok cool
uncut gorge
really comfy controller
somber wasp
^
worthy oracle
someone should release a video testing rift s on vrchat but I’ve heard plenty of good reviews on it
it’s definitely not as bad as people made it out to be
covert linden
I have a friend who used it last night, and he loves it much more, so hes selling his vive
Heres what he said
CreeperToday at 7:37 PM
First off, IPD adjustment is way better.
Secondly, I can actually use my glasses with it
Third, Headphones fit snugly on it
Fourth, The headset itself is cozy as heck
Fifth, The tracking's way better than i thought it'd be, and i can actually reach behind myself a bit.
Sixth, Guardian. It's so great because i press a button, and bam i can see my room, and walk around.
Seventh, Controllers feel great and natural, unlike with the vive controllers where i feel like i'm holding two big sticks
8th, Don't even notice the Refresh rate change from 90 to 80, It still feels smooth and cozy.
And finally, No base stations to set up.
worthy oracle
prefers rift s over vive? I mean vive controllers are doodoo so lmao
languid beacon
Rift s is a PCVR headset it will work identical to rift
worthy oracle
and rift s display is better
covert linden
and they prefer the tracking, no no stations, etc
those reasons were all why they prefer the Rift S over vive
uncut gorge
worthy oracle
sounds litty
does the mic sound nice?
and what would an audio solution look like
languid beacon
Yeah no room sensors is why you’d go for oculus. The possibility of upgrading to Full body is why you might want to go for vive or Index (both have sensors but they are the same type so they’re compatible)
All headsets come with built in microphones
And speakers
worthy oracle
Ik but I’m talking about the quality of the mic
languid beacon
I think it’s fine. Talk to some vr people and decide heh
Ok game you can hear their mics
Sounds fine to me but I’m no audio guy
worthy oracle
from what I’ve heard it sounds pretty good for a built in mic actually
bc I have a friend that got it
languid beacon
Even if it wouldn’t be the best quality it forces everyone to have perfectly positioned microphones
atomic tusk
wonder what quality the headstrap on the rift is
my regular rift was being held together by superglue
uncut gorge
Vive mic is poorly placed and therefore gets a lot of airflow over it that can cause people to hear your breathing too much or can cause your P's and F's to distort. Most people tape a piece of cloth over the mic hole to prevent that. Otherwise all the mics on all the various headsets sound pretty good
covert linden
id probably still use my own headsets with the rift S if possible
covert linden
Im not im just lonely
covert linden
Naaah
worthy oracle
yes >:c accept my compliment >.>
covert linden
crying emoet
hidden lake
Hopefully the index mic sounds a lot better
languid beacon
Well it’s made by valve so I’m sure it will be fine
hidden lake
It says there's two mics on the headset
languid beacon
Valve don’t make bad hardware
hidden lake
As well as it's a $500 headset designed by VR nerds so it better be good
tribal oxide
Or Echo :3
dense lintel
oh thank you boi
tribal oxide
You're welcome
quick kayak
Rift S will be king of market, as well as Quest simply because of price point it actually not being as bad as the Inside out tracking stain that WMR placed when they came out.
vocal shard
I was hyped for wmr gen 2. It's seemed promising, but they dropped the ball 
Rift S will be the leader
uncut gorge
Sadly
stoic halo
im still against buying the quest because it wont last as long as every other headset
quick kayak
They didn't drop the ball, the fault rests on MS, they're the one who provides the software, cameras and controllers, hopefully MS picks their shit up. But from everything I've seen, Rift S is actually really good, I know a friend who has it and I told him to do the most radical shit possible and it tracked it all, except for putt your hands in the middle of the back of your head.
The res bump and it being LCD, basically removes any SDE a lot of reviewers have said, ontop of that, if you Super sample that, you're going to be in for some good shit.
umbral reef
The software that predicts the handmovements is pretty dope ye
quick kayak
Yeah, plus, the dev team behind Echo Arena have said they're working on something that'll basically remove the issue of controllers losing tracking when you're trying to push yourself towards a place and your cameras have no visual on the controller, it'll use the gyroscope and accelerometer to predict force or something and that'll be what pushes you towards where you want to go, pretty cool stuff.
kind wedge
@stoic halo I have a Quest. My first two days have been absolutely magical, and that's coming from someone who's used a Vive for three years.
quick kayak
PSVR is the most comfortable VR headset out, Rift S adapting that same halo design is a great idea.
kind wedge
I think people really need to give the quest a chance to prove itself. It's only been 2-ish days
vocal shard
As far as wmr, I'm talking about the same old tracking as before. They have the new HP with larger FOV, and 2k per eye, but the same 2 camera tracking and wmr controllers. I love wmr and it's still my main headset, but I would have liked more cameras.
That's what I meant by Them dropping the ball. Rift S improved on almost everything
quick kayak
Compatible, not to mention you can stream desktop vr to it with RiftCraft or whatever it's called, so you get the best of both worlds.
kind wedge
Yeah, you can use RiftCat or ALVR to play SteamVR games with it as well
It's a great device
quick kayak
I know Jamie, but unfortunately that's on MS' end, they mentioned that.
vocal shard
Yeah
quick kayak
I met a few Quest users today, I told them about RiftCraft, they were ecstatic lol
kind wedge
Yeah I was showing some of them around yesterday
stoic halo
@kind wedge Im saying it wont last because of its weak standalone hardware
cant improve it or anything
kind wedge
I wouldn't say that
stoic halo
games already get dumbed down to playdough level for it
kind wedge
It's certainly more capable than you think
quick kayak
I wouldn't call it weak, it already proved itself by playing many AAA oculus games like robo recall, yes it was downgraded, but still looks really good.
kind wedge
This is coming from someone who's actually used one lol
quick kayak
It'll last for a few years.
stoic halo
i dont think so, i think it'll fade away like the phone headsets
kind wedge
Think of it like the Nintendo switch of VR. people laughed at the switch's hardware when it came out and look at it now.
It's much more capable than you're aware of
quick kayak
Majority of people are judging it by what it can do in VRC, when that shouldn't be the way to do it, Unity isn't the best out there.
vocal shard
So many VR veterans love the quest after using it. I think people write it off too quickly because it's mobile.
quick kayak
^
kind wedge
I can't even consider it mobile VR. It's portable VR.
Mobile VR doenst do it justice
It's so much more than that
It's leaps and bounds beyond phone VR. You can't even call it the same thing.
quick kayak
I agree, from what I've seen, it's basically if you're playing the same vr games, on a weaker desktop pc, but that PC being in the vr headset itself lol.
kind wedge
The quest is definitely closer to PCVR than it is to mobile VR
I feel like I'm playing PC but on lower quality settings. It doesn't feel like mobile VR
I'd argue the experience is better than my Vive
Something I've sworn by for 3 years since I bought it
quick kayak
I mean, the controllers are leaps and bounds better too lol.
vocal shard
Considering a few games are direct PSVR ports, that's saying something
uncut gorge
The quest, if successful enough, will cause a shift in development towards its inferior hardware, and inferior tracking system. That will ultimately be a net loss for the furtherment of VR itself.
quick kayak
This is the first iteration of it though, what are you even talking about?
kind wedge
I wouldn't exactly say that. It's certainly got it's market cut out for it, but so does enthusiast grade PCVR
quick kayak
Just like Apple constantly innovates and any other company, so will Facebook with oculus. They've already been showcasing what they're working on and it's amazing.
kind wedge
That's like saying cheap Chinese smartphones will phase out flagship phones. They all have their respective markets.
covert linden
apple stopped innivating ages back when they realized they could get money for basically the same tech...
quick kayak
Innovation in the their specs, no phone can beat them in raw power.
uncut gorge
No @kind wedge, it's more akin to how the X-Box and PS3 held back PC gaming for years beause developers just developed for those two consoles' inferior hardware and gave us PC gamers shitty ports with low res textures.
quick kayak
They have the smallest batteries in terms of mAh and the best/fastest phone.
That won't happen Rak.
vocal shard
There's different markets. VR has failed too many times. Mainstream focus is where it needs to go to survive.
Valve said early on that they don't think VR will last, so they'll just focus on making it the best it can be for now.
Facebook, as much as I dislike them, said they want to open VR to the masses. For more than just gaming, but for every day use.
Hate to say it, but one seems to have a larger lifespan
quick kayak
PCVR is way larger than whatever Quest will do, developers won't just automatically cater to it.
VR has been for more than just gaming since day one, gaming has just been the sales pitch.
I've considered getting a Rift S and sell my Rift to be honest, for the sole purpose of the res bump and the halo design. But I'm good lol.
kind wedge
Not wanting the Quest to succeed is asking for the VR market to die. It's the first no-BS headset out there that completely oblivious and non-tech savvy people can use. It fuels the market, the market grows, we get more options. You may not want the quest for yourself, but it will benefit VR as a whole.
More mainstream exposure, more money, more competition.
More for us all around.
quick kayak
Quest was the #1 gaming hardware on Amazon, so it's going to do really well.
uncut gorge
It won't benefit VR as a whole if it just perpetuates the use of inferior hardware and an inferior tracking solution
quick kayak
Yes it will, it will bring more developers in, the point of making something more mainstream is to bring more people in, which in turn will make AAA companies and devs start looking at VR as more of a profit.
vocal shard
when you have Vive users telling you the tracking is good, I don't think it's that inferior tbh
kind wedge
We'll get no hardware if companies don't see money in the VR market. The quest is that money.
quick kayak
It's not hard at all to downscale an experience to fit something inferior, develpers can just have less enemies, use low quality textures, etc. it won't take away at all from the PC version, when they can just do that.
That's what they've been doing on consoles for years.
uncut gorge
@vocal shard the tracking is good, but the tracking solution is not as accurate or robust as steamvr tracking
quick kayak
The tracking solution and latency is much lower than any other headset out there, other than the rift S actually, it's been proven already.
kind wedge
For what the quest is, it doesn't need to be. You're comparing a Ferrari to a Honda Civic
uncut gorge
@quick kayak historically, developers will not just develop a PC version with high rez textures then scale it back for the less capable hardware, they have developed for the shittier hardware and then ported that to PC, low rez textures and all
vocal shard
No, but it's been tested so far to be more accurate and have better sub mm tracking than even the CV1 rift. And that was praised for it's tracking quality. But why compare a low end device to the top enthusiast device
quick kayak
@uncut gorge that's not the norm or the majority of the time though, so no.
uncut gorge
It was the norm for the entire lifespan of the 360/ps3
quick kayak
It WAS, you said so yourself and again, it wasn't EVERY game.
PC wasn't as profitable as it is now, nor are consoles as custom as they were, now it's basically an x86 PC.
uncut gorge
It wasn't until current gen that consoles achieved the graphical fidelity that PC games have had for years and thus developers finally start developing towards that visual fidelity
quick kayak
The majority of things downgraded or removed on quest version of games is enemy count, shadows, post processing effects, basic shit that can be and will be on the PC versions.
Wrong, PS3 and 360 has games that still match PC games to this day in graphical fidelity, obvs not resolution or fps, but that's besides the point.
uncut gorge
lol
quick kayak
Gears of War 3, Uncharted 2 and 3, God of War 3, Las of Us, Grand Turismo, the list goes on.
Yes, exclusive games, that's who push the console and it's tech to the limits, AAA devs are lazy.
atomic tusk
all AAA devs want to do is rush a product out and shove Gachas out the wazoo in them
quick kayak
@uncut gorge I said graphical fidelity, outside of that nitpick and what I said about res and fps, it still just as good as todays games.
what @atomic tusk said.
atomic tusk
I haven't bought a AAA game in years
umbral reef
I more really wonder how 'mainstream' the quest will be
As im around a lot of future tech fans and they all knew nothing about the quest
And the stores i seen them sell are not pushing it hard at all really...
quick kayak
I've seen on reddit many people posting images of Quest advertising, but that's about it.
So it's going places, just how many places?
uncut gorge
texture resolution doesn't tie in to graphical fidelity at all, you're right man
quick kayak
It does, but you rather have shitty geometry and high quality textures, or the other way around?
Keep in mind this is console, not PC.
For it's time and even to this day, some of those games are still the best looking in gaming, period.
umbral reef
I see adds for a shit ton of products and dont care about those even though months later i do
quick kayak
Yeah, you keep it in the back of your head till they get you.
umbral reef
In the netherlands i cant even find it being sold without searching directly for it on most online webshops...
Most also dont sell it so 🤷
Gonna be intresting how big its really going to be for games
vocal shard
Oof
Yeah in North America they have demos and displays all over
umbral reef
I heard about that but just as many reports where the stores dont even know about the product or know the difference
quick kayak
Yeah, Idk if my best buy has demos of the Rift S or Quest, I'd like to try it out.
covert linden
the person I wanna sell my rift too hasnt replieddd, I might just take some pictures and put a listing up :C
quick kayak
Quest was the #1 gaming product in amazon, so that could be telling of something, better than the highest selling console every month and so on.
@covert linden Try other sites, I've bought from Swappa before.
vocal shard
But I will say that for people who I've shown VR to. They habe an interest, but then when I tell them they need a powerful PC as well, they put it behind them. A few had been interested if it was just a console price.
quick kayak
Right, so having something like the quest is huge for that crowd.
Even if they have a rig, but don't want to deal with a lot of cables, or shit.
covert linden
I want someone to buy it locally, shipping in canada is terrible
umbral reef
Its still a fairly steep price
Everyone i talked about the quest where still 'ow its that much'?
vocal shard
The store salespeople just need to know what they are selling 
Last time I was in a Microsoft store, I went in to check out the Vive and ended up being more of a sales person to the person demoing it to me.
quick kayak
Good luck Rea.
covert linden
all new tech is pricy, the price will likely go down
umbral reef
400 is a proper console price and its for something they enjoy but might not love
quick kayak
Quest will be huge once it starts getting support for other shit like Youtube, netflix, etc.
Play games, or watch shit.
kind wedge
@quick kayak YouTube and Netflix are already on the quest
quick kayak
Does it support Bigscreen?
kind wedge
Yeah
covert linden
it was a life changing experiance playing videos on my vr
Because like I was still incased in a room, but the tv in front was massive, It was awesome
quick kayak
Watching 3D movies is cool.
covert linden
can u even watch 3d movies in vr
covert linden
Iunno, I just pulled a big video up on the wall
quick kayak
I found a website where it has a lot of 3D movies for it.
kind wedge
Bigscreen and virtual desktop are both on the quest as well
quick kayak
Bigscreen supports 3D Side by Side and Top/Down
The website seems sketchy, but it works.
I watched a little of Warcraft and Avatar to test it out.
idle elm
VRChat on PC supports 3D movies too 👍
quick kayak
Yesir!
covert linden
I dont even see how 3d movies can be possible im shook
bright widget
Since vrchat is a mirror simulator what can I do if it crash my game, each time I look into one in vr?
quick kayak
I kinda prefer to go with BSB because I can super sample to 2.0x
Same way you get depth with VR.
idle elm
@bright widget #vrchat-support
quick kayak
Crazy thing is, it doesn't mess up if you look slightly away, like it would with normal 3D glasses.
bright widget
👍 @idle elm
grizzled sentinel
Hellu
vocal shard
Hi
grizzled sentinel
Heyo @vocal shard
vocal shard
How's it going
vocal shard
Good ^^
grizzled sentinel
That’s good
languid beacon
I think it’s ridiculous that the quest has a Netflix app and rift still doesn’t
(they had one, removed it and never put one back)
ruby needle
Does Netflix have a pc client?
I'd believe it's rather easy to port a smartphone app over while if there is no pc app already, you'd need to make one from the ground up.
warm geode
u can download it for Apple phones/tablets, Android phones/.tablets, Windows phones/tablets
and also get the app for Windows
but, using the Windows Store
i think
ruby needle
Yeah that's different
warm geode
Netflix is accessible through the website
ruby needle
Yeah
warm geode
so is it difficult to use a browser on Quest?
ruby needle
Quest has a app
warm geode
I guess a standalone app is always better
languid beacon
Yeah desktop windows constantly move around every time you hit home button
On the plus side you can play other games with them pinned
kind wedge
The Oculus browser on quest is really quick and nice. WebVR content works extremely well
tribal oxide
I run at a good 90 fps with 10 people on,
ruby needle
That's what I would expect from it
@kind wedge
tribal oxide
30 with 20 people
ruby needle
You cannot compare performance
Every single user is different
One single user might be super laggy
So these numbers are worthless
languid beacon
Quality of life change: can pedestal holograms be visible in unity editor?
tribal oxide
Confused noises
uncut gorge
I miss when pedestals actually showed the model
tribal oxide
Even harder confusion
worthy oracle
hey everyone :0
sharp oracle
Hi all
quick kayak
@kind wedge Pavlov is coming to quest as well, won't have crossplay though.
worthy oracle
the rift s has actually gotten reallly nice reviews and feedback so far from what ive seen to be honest
and the resolution / clarity can be seen as better than vive pro even
not sure if links are allowed but I’ve also found a nice vid that is an initial impression of it
covert linden
I cant wait to get it
quick kayak
Yep, I went from disliking it simply because of IOT, to even wanting it now lol.
worthy oracle
covert linden
I went from shaming iot to adoring iot
quick kayak
I think you can post links, just as long as it's nothing illegal.
worthy oracle
I’m actually pretty excited for it, I want to try and get it
quick kayak
Same Rea, same lol. I know that out of all the movement I get on my rift, the only thing I'll lose is literally the my back part, which is not a big deal.
quick kayak
If I can sell my rift here, I'd get it.
worthy oracle
back tracking ain’t even thaaaat bad according to peeps
covert linden
After wmr Im never going back to sensor tracking. Inside out is the best
worthy oracle
I think the only real issue is when your controllers are very close to your face
quick kayak
You can go pretty back on the S.
worthy oracle
so like if you’re trying to be cute and hide your face in vrchat idk how that would work
covert linden
According to this guy on here who has the rift S, your hands can be as close to your face as ever
Ive seen him put his hands on his face and behind him with no issue
quick kayak
Yeah, but even then, you don't really need to put them right on your headset, I never do, for anything.