The other "presentation room" worlds with their own pens no longer work nearly as well
#vrchat-general-2
median basalt
vale epoch
Well with the networked IK, it’s just no longer reliable to write accurately to a lot of people
median basalt
Yep
And the trust system too, in case you're not trusted
I had a mute board that nobody can see
vale epoch
So I have to speak... ugh.
weary bison
my pens are poop for now
median basalt
Anyway if I have to watch absolutely every word I say in here I might as well stop helping too, don't want to accidentally misremember some bit of advice and get yeeted
I got DM'd, you would know
It's pretty obvious who did it as well lmao
queen mango
👀
umbral reef
He has dm's locked so
median basalt
Ah
acoustic badge
ikr
vale epoch
Yeah I have DMs locked here too, after I got a few random people... I think hitting on me????
Being weird, regardless
queen mango
My DMs are open, not that it would matter much. (Cause I'd ignore them)
acoustic badge
ha, u know a lot
desert stratus
uhm.
acoustic badge
ikr
median basalt
I got randomly hit on too
acoustic badge
woah
umbral reef
I dont get hit on :c
acoustic badge
calm down
median basalt
I also got solicited by High Fidelity "yo come join our tests, we'll bribe you with a gift card!!"
umbral reef
I only get hit
median basalt
Scummy people those were
queen mango
Shouldn't this part of the topic move on to #general-media?
vale epoch
I am calm :-:
acoustic badge
good
rigid crescent
Waitnso I can lock my DMs so warnings are public :3
Oh wait are...
That must be why I'm warned (poorly) publicly lol
median basalt
In spite of being accused of "misinformation", someone did just send me a bit of code and a sample setup that clearly appears to be able to open a URL from within VRChat (from a world). Whomst'd've'dt'st do I report this to without getting banned?
Getting tired of being accused of misinformation by Tupper all the time, despite being able to back it up now
weary bison
you can DM it to me if you want
median basalt
I'm not too sure about this so I'll try to set up a world tomorrow (it's 00:15 here, I should be in bed)
weary bison
sure
median basalt
Can I DM the details and the world ID/link to you or should I send it to someone else/via email?
median basalt
Well either way it's dangerous and I don't want people to get hurt again
I said "hit me" and got my Overwatch uninstalled lol
rigid crescent
Sounds like he did you a favor
median basalt
That was with the eye tracking thing that has since been fixed
near saffron
Oh that lol
rigid crescent
That was a cool exploit
weary bison
you're not gonna get banned for reporting an exploit without sharing or using it maliciously
median basalt
Well I got sent a moderation warning "stop spreading misinformation" when I was talking about stuff like this earlier so I'd like to err on the side of caution
Before I say "ha, it is possible" and then get yeeted before I can even explain
Stuff like this ought to be taken more seriously.
fading flower
The update bought optimisation made my game bad so now on some avatars I hear myself
Also everyone drop an F for blue loading guy
vale epoch
I like the new loading guy
weary bison
@fading flower that's been happening more frequently recently, it's a really weird issue
contact support to have it looked into
fading flower
Yea like only some
weary bison
fading flower
Can't rn
weary bison
no rush
fading flower
Gonna sleep s9 maybe tommorow
queen mango
Flying avatars, I presume? Just got back in VRChat and that was the third thing I checked out.
fading flower
Goodnight Internet
queen mango
median basalt
Flying avatars should be more reliable now but the existing ones are likely broken.
fading flower
How do flying avatars work anyway?
median basalt
You stand on a collider belonging to the avatar itself
Blank nameplates are often edgy kids yes
I wanted to say "safe to block" but evidently blocking ain't safe
fading flower
I accidentally made a really buggy one that randomly shoots UP once and a while deleted now
rigid crescent
Lol the ol' block retaliation
queen mango
The CS guy with the shield?
vale epoch
Blocking isn’t safe?
fading flower
Gone but never forgotten rip prototype deoxys model no.5 the one that flew
queen mango
💥 
fading flower
Fr goodnight now
queen mango
Is that enough?
fading flower
There is a disorder where four is like 8 to a person but seeking of sleep that's roughly the same amount ima have now
queen mango
Dyschronometria, I believe? I would send the link here, but then it would be #general-media material
ruby burrow
I used to know a person that suffered both clinical insomnia and hypersomnia (I think those were the terms?) simultaneously.
As in, they had major trouble getting to sleep, at any kind of planned schedule, but once they did get to sleep, they would also struggle majorly to wake up again within a normal timeframe without human help.
vocal shard
finally finished getting the models out of robo recall
vale epoch
Does anyone know how much the improvements to networked IK will fix writing?
vale epoch
Because I’m pretty sad that I can’t really write anymore to anyone with a slightly off internet connection, as things stand
rigid crescent
Wasn't there some keyboard prefab
vale epoch
So it’s limiting who I can communicate with as things stand now, unless I decide I’m okay with speaking
I’m not a doom and gloom kind of player. I’ve actually found a lot of good in most of the changes that people complain about
But this one DOES have a pretty big impact on me as a player, unfortunately
lunar shell
Let's hope it gets fixed in a timely matter.
desert stratus
yeye
vale epoch
Yeah, agreed
desert stratus
worst case scenario you can use text to speech for the next month or so
cuz ykno, vrsoon n all that
lunar shell
I'm worries they won't be able to make it as good as it used to be with local IK.
vale epoch
For now, I’ll probably focus on playing when I feel like I can handle speaking
desert stratus
heard that networked Ik will never be as good as local, only time will tell tho
vale epoch
I wish drawings could be synced
Even before this change, I had to draw slowly so people could read it well. It would be amazing if that wasn’t needed, but that’s a pipe dream for sure
lunar shell
If it will never be as good then they shouldn't even do it imo. Give us an optipn for PC users.
desert stratus
well idk what the extent of never as good was
could be a very small difference
could be noticeable tho
strange wagon
i haven't been keeping up with everything. what's great pug west? since it says "mobile" in the description. did i miss something? 🤔
desert stratus
oculus quest build of the pug
in other words, its cleaner and a fuck of a lot more optimized
lunar shell
Small version for mobile.
desert stratus
the mirror is no longer ass ^ ^
strange wagon
wew
kind wharf
in what channel do i report avatar theft with piuctures?
civic talon
SWEET!!! Just got my tpcast, and I'm now officially wireless with opentpcast 😄 everything is stable and good to go. Now I just need to drop $300-400so I can get full body tracking lol
inner cape
wireless takes a chunk of cpu
civic talon
meh, I have plenty to spare
inner cape
lunar shell
We need tpcast for Index.
desert stratus
ehh idk about tpcast for index
or how well that would work, thats a lot of data to send
lunar shell
Yup. Dreaming.
inner cape
it hasn't even been shipped to normal consumers and you already want it
desert stratus
wait for foveated rendering imo, thatll make wireless viable
civic talon
tpcast for index?
lunar shell
It's why I didn't preorder the Index. It would be a step back from Vive wireless.
civic talon
I'm guessing Index is a headset?
lunar shell
Valve index hmd. It uses the same tracking as the Vive.
strange wagon
the most important thing about index imo
lunar shell
That is nice but I can wait.
strange wagon
i think the biggest downside to vr right now is the low resolution 🤔
inner cape
you're never gonna get 120 fps in vrc
lunar shell
Yeah
inner cape
alone in a room, probable, but I'm not counting that as proper playing
strange wagon
wdym. i get 90 with a damn 970. why shouldn't 120 be possible
civic talon
The only thing I dislike of my new tpcast is the sides are cut off, because they crop the video to make it easier to send to the pc. I can get used to it though, it's not that huge of a deal to me
strange wagon
except great pug 🤔
desert stratus
biggest downside to VR rn imo is just friction
even with the quest youre still strapping a box to your head
civic talon
honestly you won't get rid of that until you get something like augmented reality
strange wagon
for some reason i thought about the visual tearing at times when fps is low
desert stratus
its why the day of it replacing everything we use is still far, because right now its a choice of entertainment (should i play desktop games todday, get on netflix, open up my switch or get on vr)
instead of what we all want it to be, which is the main option that encompasses all (the ideal AR/VR glasses that will do everything your phone and desktop did but better)
civic talon
I'm ok with VR tbh
desert stratus
resolution is also important in-house though since screendoor and smearing are the things that are holding us back from a display that can compete with the clarity of even my old ass TV im sitting in front of and my smartphone
civic talon
having realistic experience like you're talking about feels decades away
so no point in my worrying about it
desert stratus
ive said it again; once i can read the screens as clear or better than my monitor, im rarely gonna be using it anymore
ye exactly
the index is the first step to really fixing that
the res is high enough to be clear and the lenses are designed to ensure that it doesnt look like shit no matter where you look,
strange wagon
oculus quest does have 2k per eye which is nice. but only has 72hz...
desert stratus
but the main draw is the high persistence and refresh rate
its more like 1440x1600 imo for quest
i think...
lunar shell
72hz is a big drop for me.
strange wagon
i already notice a few fps drops on my oculus
so it's probably gonna be hell on the quest
rift s has 80hz. where i'm like. why not make it 90 and a direct upgrade to oculus touch?
actually rift s is true 2k now that i see it
🤔
desert stratus
ttrue 2k?
strange wagon
2560x1440 total
desert stratus
if ur talking about total res then yeah
doesnt mean much when the displays are overlapping tho
strange wagon
quest has 2880x1600 which is a little weird
the true question is do i want to loose 10hz for better resolution. i don't think so 🤔
desert stratus
honestly its kinda neat how the valve index IMO is the best bet for vrchat if ur rich\
strange wagon
valve index is like the best of both worlds
desert stratus
devs and news outlets have been going off about how fucking comfy it is, and that's gonna be good for the long sessions
strange wagon
oculus convenience style controls while also having the superior tracking method + full body
desert stratus
comfier than most headsets theyve tried when pushing the play time to hours
if only vrchat could actually run at 120 frames and not like
strange wagon
only reason i went with oculus is because i hated the vive wands
lunar shell
I'll be getting the index and I don't need to rich. Same price as an Oculous quest 128gb.
strange wagon
having to walk with a trackpad and do gestures on them. it's so awful
lunar shell
Just need to wait a while.
echo anchor
Had my first session in VRChat today, met some fun people and saw some amazing avatars and worlds, it was such a great experience
inner cape
glad atleast someone's having fun
vocal shard
Problem Connecting To Vrchat Servers, Attempting Reconnection
Hmm
My Internet Be A Potato
Either That Or Something Happened
raw siren
tupper forgot to mention the fact some people are getting black screens and are unable to hear most if not all audio in game smh
halcyon kestrel
Haii!!
vocal shard
Thats kinda funny
night perch
slate verge
woven falcon
inner cape
this escalated quickly
fallen grotto
how do you get play space mover?
hushed harness
vocal shard
My mic won’t connect again
rustic berry
you might need to verify the game files
vocal shard
Where do you go for the talkshow thingy is in vrchat or a video?
pure hemlock
Is there any way in game to identify someone using the quest?
languid beacon
yes, when your menu is open, they will have a green dot below their name saying Quest on the right side, instead of a blue dot saying PC
pure hemlock
Ah okay. I thought that was what platforms the avatar supported
languid beacon
they are also used for that
it's a tad confusing, but below nametags, they represent what they're using it
everywhere else, it's what it supports
pure hemlock
Good now I can shit on them for not being part of the pc master race ty
jk jk need to ask them for help telling me how my avatar looks xD
languid beacon
If you haven't used the most recent SDK, most likley, you have unsupported shaders
until the most recent SDK, it didn't warn you about using shaders quest won't support
and just let you upload them
tribal oxide
halcyon kestrel
torn valve
Hey how long to I need to play VRChat until I can upload my own avatars ? does having friends help speed it up?
vocal shard
is it weird i count vrchat by seasons
like the old old hub world with the medival stuff was season 1
the new hub world with that futuristic look was season 2
vrchat home was season 3
and now season 4 begins on the new update that changes to that new vrchat home world
also whats the new feature on the update theres like a little tag above the avatars and worlds what does it mean
uncut wind
i need help is there anyone that can help me with mic problems
hollow horizon
send help
nocturne ridge
why is vrchat randomly turning off my base stations? this issue doesnt occur in other games.
uncut gorge
VR Chat doesn't have the capability to randomly turn off your base stations
deep otter
jordo that's a problem with steamvr
languid beacon
Every quest user i've met so far has been super friendly and excited lol
seeing people on their first day in VR is amazing
urban jasper
It is fun watching new people show up and enjoy themselves
Unfortunately for me, I won't be in for a while. All my stuff is put away.
languid beacon
I just wish there was more content for quest users
urban jasper
More will come. Rome wasn't built in a day
queen mango
And neither did all the great things of the world; Japan, USA, England, Canada, France, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland
grizzled sentinel
Hellu
halcyon kestrel
Lol
plush umbra
is there a way I can change my name again within the 90 day limit?
queen mango
None. You'll have to wait 90 days for it
unique bison
Guys is alcohol and VR a bad idea or am I good
vocal shard
It's fine just don't take your headset off once you get drunk
unique bison
Ok but what if I start drunk
vocal shard
Idk you'll be drunk I guess
placid zealot
Getting drunk in vr 🤷
unique bison
I mean
Doing this more to not feel weird trying to talk to people. Still have no clue how the fuck to initiate.
placid zealot
Well do remember that if you drink too much you might say or do more then you intended to do.
unique bison
Not a problem, I already say and do stupid shit near constantly. Like hour long rants about fictional character's genital qualities.
unique bison
Why the fuck was I more coorindated wiht the headset on
fervent creek
It’s gone quiet in the animations tab, so can someone help me? When I trigger an animation via gesture on my avatar, it works fine the first time, but then the triggers become sensitive and the animation plays on every single gesture.
kindred briar
@fervent creek don't put your animation on fists.
fervent creek
@kindred briar it’s on ThumbsUp
pseudo nest
anyone know a good way for User, been hanging around and doing stuff with randoms and some friends for up to 10 hours
I just wanna make crazy avatars hahaha
fervent creek
Edit: I think the gesture animation was too long and therefore triggered on every interaction
kindred briar
@fervent creek if you checked my ping in animations you should've noticed :d
fervent creek
Sorry, I didn’t get your ping notification. I’ll check
vocal shard
Can someone explain to me why people hate fake mutes?
kindred briar
nono elire. I think he means people in vr who dont talk xD
because people want to talk in vrchat and some get triggered if someone in vr which normally has a mic. isn't talking back.
elfin cloak
hi everyone
i was reading the latest news about many things
but what comes to me more highlighted is bugs reporting
so in that news are mentioned
are bug's to be reported to vrchat support team and canny.
i mean this is great thing that we can all do.
but idk maybe the farther recommendation to dev's
will be a silly thing but anyway here it goes:
in-vrchat button for bug's reporting
and whe that button is activated it will show another screen with new menu
with 2 more buttons
1 outpot log uploading
2 bug short description
i think that that thing will be possible
because every user is connected to vrchat server
and vrchat server and user connection will communicate with each other
otherwise if they don't communicate
user's will not be able to login and upload there's content to vrchat
to assume this
all in all in that way the vrchat dev's will make there job's more simpler
because those bugs will goes to vrchat support team and or canny
and vrchat it self will be only available to receive uploaded content
and it will make user's bug's reporting much easyer.
kindred briar
U should upload this to the canny for them to review 🙃
vocal shard
I have a mic but I don't want to talk...
umbral reef
@vocal shard I have no idea but I guess it's because it's harder to communicate this way.
vocal shard
Desktop no mic vrchatters am I right
I also have no friends which is kind of a deawback in a game about socialising
But hey, learning curve
umbral reef
Also if I can ask, why don't you want to speak in-game?
vocal shard
Anxiety. I mean, I also like keeping the illusion I'm a girl, but mainly anxiety
kindred briar
Not saying anything won't make them talk to you though xd
vocal shard
I know. Mainly I just listen to conversations for an hour
If it's interesting, I say something
But most people are content with their group of friends, or don't like mutes, or don't like desktop users, or don't like people by themselves
kindred briar
They wouldn't be in a public lobby if they didn't want to talk to other people.
vocal shard
Like I found a moderator for vocaverse (probably, but who knows). That was cool. He/she was chill.
Yeah yeah calm down I just asked why people didn't like mutes
I didn't ask why do I have no friends
Beleive me, I know the answer to that question
uwu
Getting quest soon too, so it should be fun being mute with full body tracking
viral garden
hi
vocal shard
Hi
umbral reef
You only hand hand and headset tracking Michael. Not feet tracking
vocal shard
When I say full I mean hands and head lol
It will be the most complex thing in the house
Except maybe the unused analog tv
kindred briar
but it's not full body tracking 😠 🔪
vocal shard
Close enough geez
kindred briar
reee
vocal shard
If this wasn't a high rules server I would completely flip, get us into a fully blown argument and leave the server
You're lucky
kindred briar
o_o"
vocal shard
Geez don't be scared
I'm good once you get to know me
To put that into context, I don't know myself yet
:D
cold talon
vocal shard
I use vrchat because I've got nothing better to do lol
Also Oclac don't use my first name
I'm thinking about changing it
umbral reef
Then don't have it in your name 💤
vocal shard
I have it in my name because it was a joke from my ex-gf
Also your zzz is insulting because it makes me feel I'm so slow, you can sleep while talking to me
undone idol
💤
vocal shard
I'm done with this server
undone idol
are you offended
vocal shard
Yes
undone idol
sucks to be you
queen mango
Could you atleast not try to aggravate someone in regards to this?
vocal shard
This kind of thing led me to almost killing myself. I'm not letting it happen again
It always starts small
queen mango
Well.. from what I heard, the network IK is pretty laggy. Sure, it did improve performance, but avatars look like they are 4-5 seconds slower.
unkempt swan
150ms ping?
dusk mesa
I was only in Desktop yesterday and cant tell 😐
queen mango
It may look fine on your side, but you can see others' movements lag pretty badly and so can they see yours.
dusk mesa
Only thing we realized was, that we got "disconnected" 2-3times out of the room but loaded into the same room again
unique bison
That explains why people seem to hardly be moving
unique bison
I'm not, now I don't feel weird not knowing what to do with my hands
unique bison
Actually I saw some avatars that just made like an error bot when I tried to use them, is that related or was the avatar broke?
inner cape
avatar was broke, or you ran out of cache space
unique bison
Others on the map work, so probably broke. Speaking of I'm not savvy to this, cache?
inner cape
aye, all avatars and world are downloaded and stored locally on your c drive by default, so they can be loaded from there in the future
but it tends to go up to high numbers if you dont clear it for a long time
dusk mesa
I wish they would let us choose where the cache save 😭
inner cape
you gotta use a manual redirect for that
dusk mesa
My C drive gets so damn full and i have to delete it almost daily
unique bison
What's the default save? Steamapps?
queen mango
!cleancache
floral flaxBOT
You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them
queen mango
This one
inner cape
I'll forget it again next time I need it
frozen raven
the game keeps crashing me
unique bison
Ah, alright. Now before I go and do that compulsively does it clear like your own avatar or home world, anything like that?
dusk mesa
Yeah, everything.
inner cape
yes, but you'll download it again so it's not an issue
dusk mesa
You have to load everything again
kindred briar
@frozen raven are you playing with recommended specs?
frozen raven
i have gtx 1080 and i7800k
inner cape
kindred briar
you cleared cache and checked integrity of gamefiles already?
unique bison
Alright then, thanks lads. Now I can browse worlds to my hearts content.
kindred briar
🤔
dusk mesa
Do you have something running in the background what could cause a crash?
inner cape
have fun, jelli
tacit plank
Fuck Medium and every website in existence who suddenly forgot that pop-up boxes are an unforgivable offense in website design
frozen raven
nah
inner cape
#general-media @tacit plank
unique bison
It's an old school design
inner cape
frozen raven
it could be the map
dusk mesa
Hm
frozen raven
been using my vr
tacit plank
Popups? There has essentially been none for like 10 years, apart from ads. before the whole EU thing at least
kindred briar
@frozen raven you cleared cache and checked integrity of gamefiles already?
frozen raven
nopp
kindred briar
!clearcache
frozen raven
should do that
kindred briar
!cleancache
floral flaxBOT
You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them
frozen raven
neat
tacit plank
Would be cool if you could opt out of the new IK thing
dusk mesa
When my steamvr crash my vrc close automaticly
frozen raven
not for me
vocal shard
I like this game
frozen raven
it went black
dusk mesa
And since the last SteamVR update its been a little "broken" for some people
vocal shard
This game so cool
tacit plank
Then again, judging by the pens of Presentation room being like half a second faster than character movement, there's a large delay which could be either reduced, or allow for smoothing by interpolating the buffered IK movement
vocal shard
I'll pay 2000$ for golden htc vive
vernal forge
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 3847 users in VRChat currently
unique bison
Tis a fun game. Even if it is just a way to have a interactable walking sim
vocal shard
I'll pay my 7k pc for golden full body htc vive
vernal forge
weird flex but okay
tacit plank
7000$?
tacit plank
You can get 128GB DDR4 ram, dual 2080TI with custom cooling loop, and a i9-9900K for that
vocal shard
4.5ghz 3 screens 240ghz
tacit plank
And maybe a car
vocal shard
244ghz
dusk mesa
7k sounds so much for a pc. I payed 1,800€ and i thought it was already to much
tacit plank
Well, I guess those monitors are expensive. But my computer has better specs at 2500$
dusk mesa
🤔
tacit plank
Invest them in the future, unless you already have the ability to earn money completely independently
kindred briar
was that a ping attempt
muted maple
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 3874 users in VRChat currently
desert oasis
uh
weak lantern
Still unable to get mic to work on VRchat! Tried every setting and input! other games are fine
ruby needle
Is it set as default?
sage sedge
Hey, I have a couple of questions for people running Blender and Unity (for avatar creation) on low spec machines. Should I ask that here or in one of the development text channels? (Like User-support, Avatars, or 3d-Modeling)
weak lantern
So i can assume the game is not compatible with Windows 10 1809 with updates anymore? I have reinstalled every single driverm tried admin modes for running app
I am techy and have tried everything from CMD to Drivers to uninstalling windows updates and more.
Mic in game wont pickup im talking automatically
Found issue!
alpine crater
@weak lantern have you by chance disabled Microphone access in the windows 10 privacy settings? In 1809 that setting started affecting desktop apps too
weak lantern
Discord is not compatible if its in admin mode
ruby needle
weak lantern
Major bug in vrchat or discord here
ruby needle
So turning of discord made it work?
weak lantern
Yes
weak lantern
Push to talk to work in games that have issues outside of admin mode
ruby needle
For example
weak lantern
Star Trek Online
ruby needle
No
weak lantern
Patching issues
ruby needle
I meant yours was a good example
weak lantern
So i think discord was overriding vrchat audio mic settings
alpine crater
ah discord is probably taking exclusive access to the mic when it's in admin mode then
shell iron
Kill Fortnite so much Get cola
kindred briar
?
vocal shard
random server disconnects, ohyes
vale epoch
My PC is like. $600 or so ._.
covert linden
So?
vale epoch
Earlier they were talking about PC prices in the $2000+ range
covert linden
Well a vr ready gaming rig iz usually 700-1.2k usd
But that is a lott. They probably 3d render too xF
hollow breach
^
vale epoch
Yeah I didn’t have to worry about 3d rendering
Although I have been getting into modeling lately, I didn’t think about it at the time as something I might do. And even then, I’m a newbie to it so I don’t need to be spending money on it
covert linden
Mines a vr and editing and animating rig
vocal shard
mine is a laptop i found in a alyway
vale epoch
I’ve just been modeling on my laptop so far lmao
tribal oxide
I got my mixed reality for 60 dollars
ruby needle
good deal, if its a full bundle with controllers
vale palm
then again a lot of kids get 50k cars for no dollars
ivory axle
My pc is worth 800 not including the tower, power supply, hard drives and my 2 monitors, it was 400 for my oculus damn its expensive
covert linden
thats a lot, mines 700USD includign everything but the vr headset
covert linden
Im using AMD, because mines workstation based
vale epoch
My previous pc was so old that I couldn’t really “upgrade” it
To replace any one of the components with what was needed for VR would mean replacing everything else anyways
covert linden
Mine im buying brand new, I dont have a pc
vale epoch
So I just built a new one
covert linden
well I have one that never worked but its a not so good system, im just stealing the HDD from it so I can have 2 HDD's
vale epoch
My old one still works for almost all gaming lol, just not for VR
covert linden
my old one isnt old, I bought it from a friend. Basically its dell optiplex and he took parts out of it, not all, and replaced some. So uh its all used parts and I dislike that
vale epoch
So I handed it off to my boyfriend since he hadn’t done much PC gaming
misty karma
Somehow vrchat is not visible in my oculus rift when I am starting it via steam.. what am I doing wrong?
covert linden
have you downloaded steamvr?
misty karma
Sure I do, and it worked some weeks ago :/
covert linden
how about testing to see if other games work, and then if it works through the oculus client instead?
misty karma
Do i have to start steam first or steam vr?
vale epoch
It should launch SteamVR automatically
covert linden
you can try entering through steam
misty karma
It doesn‘t 🤔
covert linden
If it doesnt then try entering through steam, because even when im on desktop for me it launches vr mode.
vale epoch
Yeah I’d try manually starting SteamVR
misty karma
I am already trying it via steam xD
vale epoch
And making sure that it’s finding your headset and controllers
covert linden
I miss having headset problems considering mine is just flatout broken
vale epoch
RIP
covert linden
owned it for a monthh
misty karma
It‘s not showing anything in the glasses.. i see the movement of my rift on my pc screen moving, but yeah..
covert linden
YIKES
Try a different game...
if you have a different one
So with the rift, even when its fully plugged in, all of it, you should be seeing a display. My oculus isnt hooked up properly, but even with the hdmi and usbs in, I can see a blurry display (even of google)
and thats without the drivers, so that being said, if youre not seeing anything it soundsss like a HMD problem
but its not 100%, you should test other games and see
misty karma
If I start the oculus program I at least see the oculus menu. xD so seems like I have to try different starting order of all 3 programms..
Btw.. it worked right now but now I see this weird green stuff everywhere, how do I turn it off?
Would send a pic if I could xD
covert linden
that sounds really bad im sorry ive got no iddea
misty karma
Seems to be the valve.vrmonitor.hmdwarning in the overlay viewer
I can‘t find an option to turn it off @-@
tiny ginkgo
Why do you want to start it via Steam specifically? You can try via the Oculus app.
I've always found it a little problematic when it switches between Oculus app and Steam and such
tacit plank
It seems basically every second avatar world is shit for performance
If the staff spend just 20 minutes visiting various worlds, leaving a message to offenders of shit avatars, that would actually make a difference on the whole
Just saw an avatar with just below 1M polygons, some of the avatars in this world also has shaders so bad that you won't be able to find your menu
They don't have to profile avatar, just visit a few avatar worlds and try 2 or 3 random ones. They're so common that I'm sure it won't take long to find offenders
forest flint
now that I know that I'll actually meet some of those, I'm afraid for my pc blowing up
tacit plank
I know the staff is busy, but with this level of regulation there might as well be none
forest flint
I'm onna turn off all the shaders except including trusted users
still lark
Why not turn off custom animations instead?
vocal shard
Despite making up 13% of the population trusted users are responsible for 50% of all crashes
FBI crime statistics
tacit plank
Lmao, that's probably true actually
desert stratus
im waiting for the day that vrchat is stable enough that i can run it and beat saber and the same time
still lark
People have ran 2 VRChats in VR at the same time.
desert stratus
WHY
still lark
Nah, same world.
forest flint
and like, synced dance moves
still lark
Same account too I believe.
forest flint
idk this coulda looked cool
desert stratus
now thats what i call a pc freezer
forest flint
VR synced dance moves
still lark
It did, looked pretty neat.
tacit plank
Could be an animation which just copies the avatar though
still lark
Nope
forest flint
did they both pick up things?
dire palm
deep otter
Anybody know why i get major fps issues in the headset
but when it mini-freezes i look over at my computer monitor and it's running just fine
covert linden
is your pc able to handle vr?
deep otter
definitely
covert linden
which headset
deep otter
Vive
real tapir
Rip final ik
deep otter
Well actually
i have a weaker cpu and it causes a minor bottleneck
AMD FX 8350 to go with my GTX 1070
and i heard vrchat was cpu heavy
covert linden
well vrchat is cpu based so that could be a reason for stuttering
deep otter
shoot
covert linden
and vr in its own renders the game twice
ruby needle
the FX chips are bad
deep otter
the fx chips have run every game i've ever tested on max settings
at less than 70% useage
this is the first game where it's gone up to 100%
covert linden
^
deep otter
monster hunter world was the one that went up to 70
and that thing had nasty optimization
but yeah fx is outdated
this was my first pc so when i built it i litterally got 8 gigs of ddr3 ram at 700mhz
covert linden
VR renders the game twice, 3 if theres a mirror. and vrchat is cpu based. so youre not helping the game out there :P
deep otter
i'll try to overclock the cpu, if that doesn't work i'll just deal with it
if i upgrade the cpu i'll have to change motherboards and ram
and thats expensive
covert linden
least you wouldnt bottleneck
deep otter
it would cost $700
covert linden
I dont get how youd be paying that much one second I need to look back at my pc
those 3 for me cost 403 CANADIAN lol
meager solstice
how much can even overclock a FX 8350?
ruby needle
700? a ryzen upgrade would be more like 400$
covert linden
Ryzen 2600, 16gb ram, and a motherboard with wifi, tf are you guys buying
covert linden
^
ruby needle
unless you go intel build but even then its more like 500
covert linden
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Z96RP3
This is my pc, changing the motherboard for one with wifi, but it still wouldnt go much higher
(note this is canadian dollar)
deep otter
wigma
you can make it go up from 4.0 to 5.0
i'd need to get 16gb of ddr4 ($110), a new mobo ($200-$300), and an i7 or ryzen (?)
i dont remember the prices
covert linden
i5 is the gaming gpu if youre looking for that, id personally suggest a ryzen 2600 though
meager solstice
me personally i go for intel
covert linden
whyre you spending 200$ on a mobo?
deep otter
bottlenecks?
covert linden
mobo doesnt bottleneck
deep otter
🤔
meager solstice
gotta get that gigabyte z390 Auruos Ultra
deep otter
with enough rgb to make ur eyes bleed
covert linden
From what ive been told, the mobo just literally connects the parts, and has limits to what parts it can have, so you shouldnt have an issue NOT spending 200$ on one.
desert stratus
meager solstice
I mean, it also depends on brand mainly
desert stratus
rate my build
covert linden
You could get it for 400$ with what fpaul gave you so I mean
deep otter
👀
meager solstice
shit @desert stratus
deep otter
that mobo will work?
desert stratus
but ive got a quadro :<
deep otter
and since when is 16gb of ddr4 that cheap
covert linden
or get the 2600 not the 2700 which is 50$ les
Its that cheap now it even has links to where you can buy it
meager solstice
i will say the Noctua was a good buy @desert stratus
covert linden
@ruby needle The mobo in your link would work right?
desert stratus
pcpartpicker lets you put weird things in part lists
ik ther was a way to get food ont there. not as a custom part but as an official part
it even had a warning and everyhing: dont touch yourbkeyboard while eating cheetos
as well as a whole, fresh rabbit
deep otter
wtf
forest flint
oh boy, no wonder I can't connect to any worlds
230 ping
deep otter
i used to play minecraft with a ping of 1250+
sateillite internet connection
i remember winning duels just by lagging so bad they couldn't hit me
spice kernel
sounds, farfetched ._.
spice kernel
why does everytime i use my mic i sound cringy af ,i mean my friends doesnt seem to mind, but then when i heard my voice i sound like an indian dude commentating ._.
spice kernel
just like how i view myself 10x more handsome when i look at the mirror ?
when in reality i look like a baked potato
im sad ._.
quick kayak
Is the CPU talk over? Feelsbad
AMD been kings of CPU since Ryzen came out, the end, Credits roll .
spice kernel
ohh good lord, sorry no one was taking soo i went on
quick kayak
The little advantage Intel has over single core performance isn't justifiable when the price is 2 to 3 times more than what Ryzen offers, specially Ryzen Gen 2.
@covert linden I saw your PCP, switch that PSU with a 500 at least.
covert linden
we are changing the power supply
quick kayak
Other than that, you're gu.... wait what... Why go for a 1660? Just go for a 2060 instead.
ruby needle
I dunno what you're talking about
the price isnt 2-3 times as much and the single core advantage is still quite high.
quick kayak
No it's not, many videos prove this. The price is always almost double of what ryzen offers and the difference in fps is basically unnoticeable.
covert linden
ti is the code word, its not just a 1660
ruby needle
a 9600k i would fit into a gaming build beeing at 250$ on PPP vs the 200$ ryzen 2700
quick kayak
Yeah, but even the ti version is inferior than the 2060, price isn't that different.
covert linden
I already have the 1660ti, I like it because its extra and I enjoy it lol
meager solstice
u say that but than say "2060 over the 1660ti"
quick kayak
Understood.
ruby needle
the 9600k bets anything that doest go over 6 cores
covert linden
its a budget build, im not getting the best of the best for a reason
ruby needle
the ryzen only goes ahead wiht more then 6 thread utilisation
the SC performacne of the 9700k is 25% + better
quick kayak
MY dude, the 9600k is almost $400 lol
meager solstice
for gaming purposes intel is the better choice
ruby needle
quick kayak
It is, but not by a lot, youtube is your friend.
quick kayak
There's no "gaming CPU".
ruby needle
the i5 is the choice for a pure gaming build
quick kayak
For some reason, I was under canada, hence why the price was high.
ruby needle
the i3 is better business / media pc
quick kayak
Yeah, but majority of people don't just "pure" game. even if they don't stream, they do multi task.
ruby needle
i7 beeing higher paralel workloads, and old workstation but now the i9 is the new workstation cpu
ruby needle
thats entry
quick kayak
Doesn't matter
ruby needle
it does
sage monolith
I have a question
My mic isn't working does anyone know if I can fix it
ruby needle
because you compare it to the high tier i5
ruby needle
Do you just want to not understand it?
there is multiple tiers for ryzen like for intel
quick kayak
Go on.
ruby needle
Again, useless.
languid beacon
Quest looks good just disappointed in how little content there is for it in VRC. Wish things would have been ready sooner for all these first timers
quick kayak
Wym?
meager solstice
its all preference in the end
covert linden
Issue is you cannot convince every creator to make stuff for it, its not that people are unready, its that people dont care
quick kayak
It very well is preference, 100% agree. But with a consumer mindset, Ryzen trumps.
ruby needle
My biggest concern is people wanting to do quest stuff, seeing the limitations (especially the 5k poly one) and then just turn around quickly.
quick kayak
I hope they increase that 5k limit.
ruby needle
do you understand why its there?
quick kayak
You don't even need 70k to make something good.
ruby needle
then you know why its there
languid beacon
5K recommendation
lost hull
I'm in your IKs, fixing your joints.
languid beacon
People keep saying limit
covert linden
THANKS DAN
quick kayak
Woop woop!
meager solstice
i didnt think 5k was the limit, thought it was the "recommendation"
lost hull
😃
covert linden
the limit is under 20k, but the reccomended is 5k, we dont know how much the limit is
quick kayak
Is it?
ruby needle
Wait it is?
meager solstice
i say 10k limit?
covert linden
Yes
quick kayak
Ahhhh, so they were vague about it.
covert linden
Tupper himself said that, but never released the limit
languid beacon
My quest build is 6300 tris
ruby needle
if the hard cap is 20 i could port my avatar
meager solstice
well they never released a "limit" they said they were still looking into that i thought
quick kayak
An official number would be nice.
covert linden
The hard cap isnt 20. Its below 20
quick kayak
Yeah, I presume the 5k rec was just a place holder to see if they can optimize further, which they will.
covert linden
But its above 5k
languid beacon
Official number is 5k. You can go over it but they are telling you please don’t
ruby needle
The problem is the hardware is just not much powerfull @quick kayak
this is am obile platform
covert linden
But it wont be moved up by much. And once they settle on a full number, itll likely remain that way, Forever
ruby needle
it has A LOT of hardware limitations that play into stuff
languid beacon
For example I’m at 6300 but will reduce it once I get around to a retop
quick kayak
I know, it's unfortunate, but with further R&D, they can possibly increase the rec number.
ruby needle
i will not be able to get my 20k optizmied model down to anything 5k
covert linden
if youve seen other games youll realize its not just vrc that has to cut short
"Tupper05/13/2019
There will be a limit on polygons on Quest avatars, we haven't announced it yet. However, it is much lower than 70k (and lower than 20k). Again, I strongly suggest aiming for 5k. That puts you well within the limits we're looking at."
just incase it seemed like I was spreading false info here ^
languid beacon
The quest limitations really aren’t harsh for anyone who is making original content
quick kayak
I believed you.
ruby needle
well depends @languid beacon
quick kayak
So 5~10k is the sweet spot.
ruby needle
purely quest content from the go ok
languid beacon
5K is the sweet spot.
ruby needle
but porting existing ones over that remains compatible for both is hard
covert linden
quest will always be missing out on A LOT of avatars and content, I can almost guarntee as the general creator doesnt wanna optimize like that
quick kayak
Quest content puts a leash on a lot of unoptimized worlds/avatars, at least to those who care for quest users.
ruby needle
yes @covert linden
meager solstice
I think there will be "quality" to the quest worlds and models that arent seen in pc tho. Because if people take more time they should get quality over quantity "theoretically"
ruby needle
the issue isn't that ther wont be content
languid beacon
That’s fine but honestly those people make my pc experience laggy too so
ruby needle
but that most PC avatars wont have a nice quest version
meager solstice
yeah thats the thing i dont understand.... is "quest only worlds"
languid beacon
People don’t understand you don’t need to change your Pc version of the avatar
quick kayak
There's quest only worlds? what lol
ruby needle
you do adeon if you want it compatible for both
covert linden
quest only worlds are cuz pc cant see mobile assets
languid beacon
There are quest only you just can’t see them in search on Pc
There are quest only avatars too I made one
meager solstice
what mobile assets? @covert linden
covert linden
quest = mobile
languid beacon
Pc users see a bot with “quest” on the chest
quick kayak
Right, so just like us, they get their own exclusive things.
covert linden
not much
quick kayak
Ofc, but yeah.
I don't see creators making something with quest in mind to make it exclusive to it only.
languid beacon
They can get exclusives if you upload no windows version but there’s no real reason to do that
quick kayak
Mhm.
covert linden
the only people I can see doign that is devs themselves
languid beacon
There is a reason to do quest only worlds if you want to make an area where you can always see every avatar
covert linden
yeah but quest users cant make worlds
languid beacon
But realistically if you have made quest content there’s no harm in uploading it as a windows build too making it crossplay content
Yes they can, they just need a Pc
grave dagger
What is the poly limit on avatars for the quest SDK when trying to upload? Whats the most itll let you upload?
covert linden
Well I meant people with only quest : P
quick kayak
Anyone can, but I think what Reaaa meant is that majority won't go out of their way to do that.
languid beacon
Well same applies to Pc users that don’t have unity
quick kayak
Good question Jeffy.
languid beacon
Doesn’t take a beefy computer to run unity
covert linden
@grave dagger seemignly you currently can upload any amount, However soon there will be a 'client' (wrong word but ok) in that prevents quest users from seeing models that break the mat or poly Max
polar jasper
Of course Quest users can create worlds, just not right now
covert linden
they cannot do it on the quest headset is the way we mean to phrase it
grave dagger
I see. 5 K is impossible for my current models but i might be able to swing 10k
languid beacon
And you can only any other headset?
polar jasper
Well yeah, unless Unity decide to support Quest then of course
covert linden
you need more than unity to make worlds
languid beacon
Look I got down from 226K to 6K for quest if I can do it anyone can do it
quick kayak
Yeah, but majority of that were due to meshes you could decimate, or get rid of, not the base model itself.
grave dagger
Is that with "retopo" i keep hearing about?
languid beacon
Dissolve verts, tris to quads, and unsubdivide is your friend
Nah retop will get me from 6K to 5K
covert linden
im speaking that you cannot put on the quest headset and make a world dammit >:c with anyy headset, but the quest im saying as a console, as a console you cannot
quick kayak
I never looked for that.
covert linden
and no u cant make unity worlds on a ps3 >:c
quick kayak
Quest is essentially android with the Oculus Home (lite) as the main theme.
urban jasper
Seems that way
quick kayak
Ofc you won't be able to create worlds within it.
languid beacon
Retopology is the 3D version of tracing art
grave dagger
Im proably gonna do one Quest model and upload it for all my other models so at least they see something instead of the robot
covert linden
im not uploading one :<
quick kayak
Yeah, I want to do the same, I want quest people to have cool shit too.
grave dagger
as long as you switch to android and use the same avavar ID it should work right?
languid beacon
I just made a simple version of my avatar so quest users can see me. I look the same to Pc users and when I’m on Quest everyone else sees my High detail PC version
Even tho I see the low quality one
quick kayak
Wouldn't using the same ID replace yours, unless what you think it'll do is it'll know one is for Windows and the other is Android?
covert linden
I understand that like, it's good for them and all, but Im bad at optimization and I gotta learn how to optimize for pc first
languid beacon
Every blueprint id holds a windows and android build separately
quick kayak
Some people don't care about optimization.
covert linden
I dont as long as I dont lag people
quick kayak
Majority of my models don't even hit 50k and everything else is pretty solid.
covert linden
polys are the least important
grave dagger
theres no excuse for not atlassing your textures now that CATS makes it super easy
languid beacon
Cats auto atlas is push button receive optimization
covert linden
cats does, but it doesnt work well when you part swap the majority of it
languid beacon
You don’t need it for quest
grave dagger
It messes up the clarity but you can just put the original textures on top of it and youre good to go
languid beacon
It’s just a simple version of your avatar so they don’t see you as the default robot
Don’t need all the bells and whistles
covert linden
ive got 1 shader that dosent lag people, 200dynb (im bad), 60k polys, and 2 Mats
cuz I did atlas
and I didnt swap parts, but my boyfriend swapped every part and so he has 10 mats
grave dagger
200 👀💦
languid beacon
Cats auto atlas makes it one material
quick kayak
Why so many? I need to see this model.
covert linden
atlas stuff breaks a good 70% of the time for me, (thus why I have 2 mats)
I care less about Dynb now that theres a limiter
grave dagger
yeah, atlassing your transparent textures separately is recommended
quick kayak
I use it, have it set to 60.
languid beacon
Atlas cutout and separately if you don’t know how to split materials in blender for separate shaders
covert linden
its suppose to be all the same shader
any time id try to atlas certain parts, like all itd give me an error. Or it'd make the eyes pure white etc, it messed up all my colours
200dyb because I didnt conjoin any bones
languid beacon
But really the best thing is atlas everything as a single material then go in and assign everything that needs a unique shader to a different material using the same atlas
That way they all use the same texture just different shaders
languid beacon
Tri total?
covert linden
60k I believe
languid beacon
You could be good rated with no change in appearance.
covert linden
I could, instead im poor due to my dynb xD
covert linden
I dont have 200 mats what
how would I even have 200 mats
do you see how simple my model is xD its 2 mats, 200 dynb
covert linden
I just couldnt atlas the eyes or the panties
languid beacon
Yeah you don’t even have 200 bones
languid beacon
Yeah you are using multiple transforms for a single bone which could be combined with no change in appearance
covert linden
yeah I know that itd look the same
I just didnt feel like optimizing them , I didnt have a mouse at the time and it was the first model I made
languid beacon
It’s just select bone in blender and click “merge weights to parent” and bone vanishes
languid beacon
Finally learned how to manually atlas. Got my texture down to 1/4 it’s original size, I can feel myself with more frames even when alone
People who complain about vrchat itself being unoptimized really need to make sure their own avatar isn’t the problem
polar rose
manually atlasing wont give a huge improvement over shotariyas unless your texture is absolutely massive and you are importing it at 8192x8192 with compression off in unity import settings
ruby needle
depents
polar rose
i guess depends on shader too
ruby needle
it allows you to optimize space usage a lot more
so you might be able to cut the size down in general more without it looking bad
tho, the tiling is still a hundred times better then no atlas
polar rose
the only time i had issues with auto combining was when i had like 4 materials using a 8192*2 texture on RealToon
then people with lower end pcs would drop frames by coming too close
that was a big woops
just, manualy combining/atlasing is a bigger time investment and isnt always worth it is all
worn python
ok is anyone having connection problems in this game?
near saffron
It just me or is everything taking a lifetime to load ingame
worn python
i keep getting disconnected
atomic tusk
manual atlas a huge time investment? I can do a manual atlas in less than 10 minutes
covert linden
Ima finally have my first good rated vrc model
1 mat, 50k polys, No dynb(its a guy) :D
coral lagoon
One of the quest public models is 19k poly
I was suprised since I thought the limit is 5k
atomic tusk
20k is the hard cap
covert linden
20 is not the hard cap. @atomic tusk
@coral lagoon you caan currently see models that are higher than the limit. However soon you wont be able to, with the next update
@atomic tusk
Tupper05/13/2019
There will be a limit on polygons on Quest avatars, we haven't announced it yet. However, it is much lower than 70k (and lower than 20k). Again, I strongly suggest aiming for 5k. That puts you well within the limits we're looking at.
Please dont speak false info
worn lance
Manually updating youtube-dl from github is no longer necessary since the last patch right? I did that weeks ago but don't want to recommend friends do this if not necessary.
umbral reef
@worn lance Tl;dr
If an update has happened it should not be needed.
They will push a special update to fix it if the normal updates are far away and else its part of the normal update. Il see if i can find (i think) tuppers comment about this so you can see it from the devs themself.
worn lance
Right on. I haven't had any problems but am trying to organize a watch party in vrc and some friends complained about broken youtube players. Thing is, they haven't actually tried to use one in MONTHS. I suspect they will be fine.
Unless their computer is super potato.
umbral reef
You need to use windows 10 to my knowledge
covert linden
Yep ^
worn lance
Ah ok that might explain some of the desktop users problems.
umbral reef
Also tbh i feel so fucking uncomtrable providing info like that as it feels i can get a warning any second for 'spreading false information' lmao
Me speak engrish
Me smart c: You guys prob know what i meant so deal with it for now
covert linden
Well some players can work on windows below 10, but the big main one cant as far as ive heard
worn lance
I'm a member of several vrc dance communities. That youtube-dl fix was circulating all of them about a month ago and did seem to fix things.
umbral reef
@covert linden Well i more meant in general so
covert linden
My model has 32k pokys, no dynb, 1 mat. Finally a good avatar
Its my male version of me, since coming across an agender version is hard
lament dragon
_ _ What VR headset + Hand tracking hardware would
_ _ any of you recommend to me just getting into Vrc?
covert linden
You dont need vr for vrc but first question is your pc vr ready
lament dragon
How can you tell?
covert linden
https://support.oculus.com/1357437467617798/
Do the test in this link
hollow brook
Anyone have a suggestion for this connection issue? "Your VRchat connection has timed out." Happens literally every time I play to the point it's not even playable, any ideas...?
covert linden
So you have your index
New top of the line headset with full body potential, great res, finger tracking with the controllers. It also needs you to place sensors across your room though. The cost, is about 1k usd.
The rift s; is a more wmr oriented headset. It has great res as well and supposedly comfortable controllers. Its tracking is inside out, meaning you dont need to place any sensors around your room and instead the cameras on the headset do all the work. If you want full body (the ability to move your legs) this isnt the option
And this is only if your pc says it is vr ready.
lament dragon
Dell Inspiron 15 7000 (G)
worthy oracle
I have yet to see someone test rift s on vrchat and see if it’s good
covert linden
@lament dragon did you do the test I sent?
@worthy oracle its supposedly comparble to 3 sensor rift tracking, and has great res. The reviews are super good
worthy oracle
oo
lament dragon
I'm not "at home" so I cant really see for myself until quite later this afternoon.
atomic tusk
you can still use FB with the rift s but it still will cost more than going with the vive
atomic tusk
(not for much longer)
covert linden
@lament dragon have you ever played vrchat before?, if so how much fps do you get
atomic tusk
and I did the gearvr lense mod on my vive
covert linden
Wym by that? @atomic tusk
atomic tusk
you can use knuckles with vive
covert linden
Yes but thats not vives controllers.
worthy oracle
you don’t need knuckles for vrchat
atomic tusk
doesn't matter you can use them with the vive :X
worthy oracle
and yes vive controller’s still doodoo
covert linden
Vive has terrible controllers, when you say vive, people arent thinking of valve.
atomic tusk
I went ahead and got the vive because my rift headstrap is falling apart
and the headphones stopped working on it
worthy oracle
I have yet to get my first vr headset and rift s is the most affordable but idk
covert linden
Im selling my rift for the S
livid dew
ouch
languid beacon
Once I actually learned how to manual atlas by whole pixel amounts (aka able to do it losslessly), it took about 2 hours to move everything around and make an image in gimp with the same repositioning
livid dew
what were you doing? jumping with it on?
lament dragon
Not quite sure how the frame-rate is stable at, but yes I've loaded Vrc on desktop mode for this past week with no frame problems, only network packet loss because my router is a dying dinosaur (so occasional re-connections to worlds happen sometimes when I first join them)
covert linden
@worthy oracle wmr is most affordable. Its 250 USD
worthy oracle
I still probably wouldn’t be able to get it
atomic tusk
yeaaaaah I'm not gonna bother with the WMR tracking type...
worthy oracle
I don’t want wmr
atomic tusk
can't even put your arms behind you
languid beacon
I recommend moving everything in 128/256/512/1024 increments so you can do the same in gimp/photoshop with the textures. I didn’t use baking
covert linden
@lament dragon dell inspiration doesnt sound good. Youll have to do the test once your at your pc
atomic tusk
they are saying that they are going to allow additional sensors with the rift s
lament dragon
yep
covert linden
@atomic tusk you can actually thanks to the imu
languid beacon
Yeah rift sensors will let you cover your hands better
covert linden
You cant wave them back there but people have had no issues with games that require them to reach back there
languid beacon
But they aren’t needed
covert linden
Also rift s = instant roomscale
atomic tusk
I'm going index in the future...when computers have more horsepower for the 120 hz on the index
covert linden
@worthy oracle why not wmr? Its a great headset. Infact the oculus s was developed with the same people as the wmr
languid beacon
While in back of you they just lose absolute positioning. They still continue tracking using accelerometers
covert linden
Wmr vr is good quality tho?
worthy oracle
cheap cheap lol
atomic tusk
I had to get the third sensor for my rift
worthy oracle
iiiidk I guess I never experiment with off brand shit
covert linden
I have wmr and oculus rift and I enjoy it a lot.
worthy oracle
like not popular thingles
languid beacon
I don’t recommend WMR. Go with oculus’s insight or valve/htc’s lighthouse tracking
covert linden
Wmr isnt off brand, its got many brands. It goes under both lenovo and acet
atomic tusk
samsung oddysey is like practically the best WMR
covert linden
Wmr is good for a budget vr, its well known and works great
lament dragon
so is it fair to say that (head only VR would be 100 - 400$ ) and +hand tracking could be (600 - 1k ?)
languid beacon
Wmr headsets are fine but I don’t like the tracking
covert linden
@lament dragon no. All vr headsets that youd get come with hand tracking...
lament dragon
hm
covert linden
Wmrs tracking is better than youd think
ruby burrow
WMR: Roughly $250 to $400 - Headset mounted tracking, reasonable display, more limited frontal tracking only.
Rift-S: $400 - Headset mounted tracking, good display, slightly fuller tracking than WMR but not quite omnidirectional still.
Vive: $500 - High quality tracking using external base-stations, display now a little outdated, "budget option for FBT".
Valve Index: $1000 - High quality tracking using external base-stations, overall best display & FoV available, special new controllers, FBT compatible.
Quest: $400 - No PC needed, headset mounted tracking, good display, wide angle but frontal tracking, wireless, limited battery life, more limited games/performance, major limitations for VRC.
atomic tusk
out of the box vive has the best tracking but with the third sensor rift is equal
covert linden
Make sure your pc is vr ready before you buy it.
ruby burrow
@lament dragon Sounds like you're confusing hand tracking and finger tracking there.
lament dragon
That