I said something when you talked about it in Bm rokk
#vrchat-general-2
umbral reef
languid beacon
That is an insanely simple oversight >_>
median basalt
Remember kids: never block anyone. self moderation is dangerous.
Blocking the wrong person can end up permanently demoting you in this caste system
I'm fucking done
vocal shard
i was hearing about that from eevee wtf
median basalt
Literally dropped two trust ranks after blocking a hacker and the team won't even do anything about it
languid beacon
I guess the proper venue is to report on the canny that blocking and unblocking can derank people. State there that it was done to you but file as a bug report.
umbral reef
They will just say its not true
languid beacon
They probably won’t fix you but might help stop it from happening to others. Or cause it to become widespread. Either way it’ll get fixed
median basalt
Nothing will be done about it
On friday they at least pretended to look at my case but said I used the wrong email
languid beacon
If it actually does work I’m sure it will
median basalt
Basically it's not normal to drop two full trust ranks
Especially not after blocking a single hacker
languid beacon
Maybe that’s not all that happened
median basalt
Well who knows? They aren't willing to communicate
languid beacon
Maybe you got blocked by all his friends
median basalt
Nope, I checked
umbral reef
Adeon. From my knowledge they never did anything about the crash bots/programs roaming around beside fix the exploit...
I know some people are still on KOS lists and legit cant join public worlds.
Its a widespread, often reported problem but they just got told to report it to the email..
So why would they take a single persons case legit?
median basalt
One moment I'm "veteran". I block one person and do literally nothing else. He blocks me back. Suddenly I'm "known", two ranks lower.
umbral reef
They cant check the system, thats clear for sure.
They also are unable to change it.
So big odds even if they wanted to they cant prevent it.
median basalt
So they can't secure their own game, got it
rigid crescent
I wanna test it 🤔
languid beacon
Uh you mean trusted? Veteran is gone
rigid crescent
It's in the API
indigo fern
The api ranks
umbral reef
In the API its still listed veteran
indigo fern
There's still an extra above trusted
median basalt
In the API yes
In the API I was listed as "veteran" basically
system_trust_legend. Now I'm at system_trust_trusted, which is two ranks lower.
They're all off by one in the API. If you're trusted, your rank is system_trust_veteran
umbral reef
Hey aint this news worthy 👀 @north axle
languid beacon
Oh I don’t think anything above trusted is defined behavior
If you are trusted you are trusted
median basalt
It is unless they bothered to magically take it out
It's tracked in the API and you can check people to this day still
languid beacon
Peaking behind the scenes does not really mean much
grave sage
im curious if im still trusted or in veteran now in the api 🤔
umbral reef
It does though... Your legit saying now that the server is 'wrong' and the game is right
median basalt
Use this and find out @grave sage https://github.com/3e849f2e5c/VRChatAppi
umbral reef
Rule of law in any program and server is. Server is right. Clients are wrong.
languid beacon
I mean you can’t really complain that you were deranked if you are still trusted
indigo fern
Well, he's known now though
languid beacon
Ok I misunderstood
near saffron
Yeah he lost trusted
median basalt
I wouldn't care if I simply lost veteran
languid beacon
I thought there were two ranks above trusted my bad
umbral reef
He lost the ranks in the API AND ingame
median basalt
But this is absolute bullshit
And the mods aren't even willing to respond or look at my case properly, they just brush me off.
God knows how many other people are gonna experience this.
near saffron
Yeah quite shit when u now got shaders blocked by default
languid beacon
Well being realistic there’s no way they are gonna reinstate your lost rank. But I would still report it on the canny I’ll vote for it
median basalt
How much will it take for them to respond to their own broken system rather than treating their players like garbage?
@languid beacon I already did
umbral reef
Tbh- Wanna bet most people will not realize it like you did?
And just wonder why they deranked or ask it in here while we cant provide any logical reason
languid beacon
Link me
median basalt
near saffron
Post a link
median basalt
The method used is only a theory anyway
near saffron
Epic
umbral reef
Hey, that lst thing reminds me like the other billion times people went in here to ask why they got deranked
near saffron
Ez upvote
languid beacon
Can the api still pull a list of who blocked you? I know the tool was taken offline but the api really shouldn’t be able to access that.
median basalt
Yes, it can
And that's probably how the guy found out I blocked him and thus retaliated
The dev team clearly does not care about security at all
indigo fern
Yea it still works
umbral reef
Big odds its used for the website Adeon and unless it wont show that at all it can be pulled
near saffron
Yeah I was shown today it still works
languid beacon
Well even if they remove the list from the api they can find out manually requesting everyone in the room
But the list makes it too easy
And is a bit of a privacy breach anyway
There is no way via the website to see who blocked you.
median basalt
Well the list makes it too easy to begin with
languid beacon
Yes
near saffron
God imagine if a “blocked by list” existed in game. People would retaliate so much
median basalt
Because even manually requesting everyone in the room will only search in a space of like 25 people
The end result is a leaky ass game where the team isn't even willing to admit that anything went wrong
languid beacon
well not everyone who handles support knows everything about the game
umbral reef
Its there job
languid beacon
Yeah but your response reeks of scripted response
umbral reef
Tech support is legit : Solve the problem or forward it to someone who can
languid beacon
I know because I do scripted responses
median basalt
My response is absolutely scripted yes
umbral reef
Ow they are for sure mass copy pasted 99% of the time
median basalt
When I sent an email last friday they at least pretended to look into it by saying "your email differs so we can't verify your identity"
umbral reef
I never said they did proper support
I just said thats how they should do it
languid beacon
We all do
near saffron
^
candid hemlock
with a vrchat skin im trying to use but idk how to do it cause i get lost
its a springtrap skin to
umbral reef
You following a tutorial yet?
candid hemlock
i been trying
but i cant rig it like they say to
i always get lost when i do ;c
oclac can i pm u the model
near saffron
Use mixamio
umbral reef
Can also ask for help in the right channel -> #avatars-2-general
And instead of asking for help explain the problem as it saves loads of support steps.
languid beacon
Good luck with that
I haven’t even gotten into gradient rigging myself yet keep putting it off all my stuff is still binary weighted lol
indigo fern
More often than not, I just hit the ends with blur lmao
languid beacon
I need to look into that part of blender still
indigo fern
o7 gud luck
candid hemlock
n8 i pm u the model im trying to do
indigo fern
Why tho
indigo fern
I can't help you 🤔
north axle
@umbral reef Just read your message, it is newsworthy but it may be hard to rephrase the news so that I wouldn't encourage people to look into the API.
candid hemlock
@north axle can u help me
north axle
No?
median basalt
@north axle the API is there though
candid hemlock
gtg to go eat brb
covert linden
https://youtu.be/VBZu_wNzERw @candid hemlock
median basalt
It seems like they only don't want people looking in there because otherwise their own mistakes may come to light 🤔
You know, like how a hacker demoted my trust rank
indigo fern
Gtg to go
Smh my head
north axle
People in #avatars-2-general and other dev channels usually respond in, like, 10 hours.
median basalt
After a year of being trusted and even reaching veteran, magically becoming Known after blocking one hacker. Seems legit.
And the mod team won't even help.
north axle
Well, I definitely can't help right now, and I'm not an official mod.
languid beacon
I think people picking “show avatar” on you is a positive indicator of trust to the system
_> my friends who use shaders that are solid green until you show their avatar seem to rank fast
median basalt
Yeah could be
Both show and hide avatar are "actions" like those.
Maybe I'll run around in my mute avatar that tells people to unblock me. Assuming I even play the game anymore.
umbral reef
isnt that info processed locally? Or is it your acc saying you dont want the files of users and then saying you want them again?
vocal shard
the hub being changed again??? yeesh
umbral reef
Rip broken announcement for me
frank ice
same
tough sorrel
Same
tardy crag
yeah whole announcements page is broken for me at the moment.
remote moth
can't see announcement
regal ravine
Same
vocal shard
Same
went from medieval castle then bright shape...place...whatever then back to being dark again and with all that shape stuff...now this?
covert chasm
we're pinging 70k+ users, its gonna be buggy
tardy crag
It's just odd that all past announcements aren't loading either.
languid beacon
Announcement page takes a while to load
cold ibex
its ok c:
umbral reef
@median basalt Welp there goes the topic
Guess it for sure wont be looked at now
languid beacon
But it loads just keep looking at it
tardy crag
mind relaying what the announcement was in here without the ping?
buoyant sparrow
xD
kind wedge
Hey! We've got some more information on the new upcoming VRChat Home, Hub, and a bit more information on how cross-platform content will work in our latest blog post. Check it out here: https://medium.com/@vrchat/welcome-to-your-new-home-and-hub-139e06e0dea8
vocal shard
god even our homes are changing
tardy crag
thank you
polar elm
Another new hub?
tardy crag
Oh man, Oculus Quest VRchat is gonna be a nightmare I'd imagine
lunar shell
Ughh. 👎
tardy crag
unless people seriously start optimizing avatars/worlds
median basalt
Ah I see, is this why y'all were too busy to give me a proper response to my mod report?
languid beacon
Nah it’s fine they all get separate builds of avatars / worlds
vocal shard
eh...sadly still aint gonna fix the big problem that everyone is having
with all that lag stuff
hell...i think the lag has gotten worse to where it actually freezes a lot
median basalt
Holoport is still broken and also on by default
kind wedge
I'd wait until you see all the new things before making such claims 
vocal shard
Im going to punt a cat like a football if i see a kid in a uganda knuckles skin
languid beacon
@tardy crag every world and avatar blueprint gets a low quality version they can upload to for android (aka quest) users. If it is left blank, quest users see you as a grey robot.
tardy crag
Ah I see, so pc users are all just gonna be placeholders to Quest users
languid beacon
Not if the avatar has quest and pc versions
They see your quest version
As well as the quest version of the world
indigo fern
yea, you will have both versions on the same blueprint
tardy crag
I guess depending on how many quest users there are we'll see how many people make optimized quest versions
vocal shard
just all that popping sounds is just getting on my nerves at this point
lunar shell
I'm stucking making my pc version. No time for a quest version.
languid beacon
Admittedly my quest version is still 15k I need to get it down more. But I got it down to 1 material and reduced the texture res by 4
tardy crag
Considering that plenty of people never bothered optimizing on PC I'm hard pressed to see it happening for Quest users, but time will tell.
vocal shard
i just want the lag to be under control is all
limber falcon
People trying the quest circa 2019 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/3/39/FacehuggerA11080.png/revision/latest?cb=20161110195801
vocal shard
its just bothering everyone at this point, not being able to be around a huge group of people
and to make it worse, it also makes everyone lag for just CHANGING your avatar
lunar shell
I think this is going to be a mess
kind wedge
Casual reminder a large part of optimization is your responsibility as a content creator 😛
tardy crag
That's what I've been talking about
polar elm
Vrchat is what you make it
tardy crag
people haven't optimized their world's and avatars for the most part on PC, at least from my experience
vocal shard
hell being on the lowest setting before launching the game still somehow lags
lunar shell
Until a few months ago, optimization for a mobile platform was unheard of.
tardy crag
I still see avatars with red performance all over the place.
leaden finch
New things coming to VRChat.. What about fixing the game at first 🤦 :
median basalt
Also getting the feeling hiding avatars drops trust, I've been doing that like nobody's business
tardy crag
It's a hard problem to solve with user content being the driving factor for the game
tidal aspen
most of the properly made worlds are optimized pretty well, people just think it's laggy because they drop in with their 120 dynamic bone chain and 20 materials
sage thunder
^
tardy crag
Lots of people never used Blender/Unity before VRChat so it takes time for them to both learn how to make avatars/worlds, then learn how to optimize them.
vocal shard
its just the lag is the big issue here
it use to not be a problem years ago
just all you had to deal with was the game freezing a lot
vocal verge
I mean why doesn't VRchat have more strict performance/optimization rules?
lunar shell
Not everyone wants restrictions.
tardy crag
people complain any time restrictions are put in place
Also, having the right restrictions is important
umbral reef
Its not like we can control/block almost all laggy things by now...
lunar shell
If your pc is good, it runs well actually.
tardy crag
the original poly limit wasn't really effective for keeping performance up
kind wedge
As I understand it, encouraging creativity while also having reasonable restrictions is a very delicate balance
Trying to please everyone is very difficult
umbral reef
We can disable laggy shaders, Dbones limiter is a thing, particle limiter is also a thing...
vocal shard
were all practically blocking innocent people just to get rid of lag
sage thunder
You can just their avatar
tardy crag
yeah we definitely have a lot more tools for making our client run better by limiting what we see on avatars
tardy crag
the game has actually improved dramatically in that regard
indigo fern
and lucky for most people, the dynabone limiter is on by default
tardy crag
I just worry that most Quest users are going to see swathes of default placeholder avatars
indigo fern
of course
kind wedge
I think it was very important we had the ability to filter the things we see in-app without gimping user's ability to create things. If you want better performance, you can limit/turn off a lot of effects, but some people really like seeing those things and having the option is what's important.
covert chasm
@umbral reef There's no easy way to detect "laggy shaders" at the moment
kind wedge
Outright restricting what a user can and cannot create kills part of the enjoyment for a section of the community
covert chasm
Polygon limit also mattered a ton more before single-pass stereo and other VR-specific optimizations were a thing
tardy crag
would it be possible to run each uploaded avatar in a test map and have a rigged camera look at it and track framerate
umbral reef
Was talking about users in the game not for the client.
Not to point fingers but i block avatars from specific avatar creators because of there material useage..
I dont need them laggy furshader in my life 🙈
covert chasm
Just tell them to buy/use XSFur 😛
sage thunder
Oof yeah I got engulfed in a ball of fur shaders and I died
umbral reef
I do shill for that already so dw
dusty idol
Wat
tardy crag
Xiexe shill 😛
indigo fern
this pleases the nut xiexe
kind wedge
I'll shill XS all I want. It just works :+1:
tardy crag
Yeah xiexe's been great both about creating and trying to help others learn to optimize
umbral reef
I shill Cats and xs as much as i can force myself to do
Funny enough i dont use both there stuff 🤔
kind wedge
Cats can be a cruel mistress. Even with cruise control on, you still have to steer.
umbral reef
Cant use a hammer to repair broken glass
Gotta know when and how to use cats tools
languid beacon
There will be quest worlds which don’t even have a windows build. These worlds will be 100% quest users and quest content
umbral reef
And thats from the limited time i used it when it was buggy
languid beacon
I still believe quest avatars should have nice, high quality windows builds even if they can’t see them, so they show in pc user’s screenshots. And also don’t get bullied for being low res 😛
dusty idol
I want a fur shader. What's this object people are shilling? Shill to me more of this shader
languid beacon
There’s a good one for 10 American currency
umbral reef
Xiexe's Fur shader.
vocal shard
ichiban kemono shader
languid beacon
Yeah xiexe’s is good very worth. Not my thing but it works and looks great.
north hazel
seeing quest only avatars in that post just immediately screams people blocking quest users on sight lol
dusty idol
Never heard of booth
vocal shard
sort of a jp gumroad
languid beacon
Ideally only quest users will “see” quest avatars. They neeeeeed a high quality PC version to not get discriminated. I don’t want pc users to be able to tell a user is on Quest unless they say so
north hazel
definitely looks like they will be able to
languid beacon
I mean if they upload the same 5k avatar as the windows build too, yes
weary bison
if you make an avatar for quest, it's easy to just upload the exact same one for PC
languid beacon
But that is a waste
north hazel
will also probably lead to people congregating in pc only worlds by default
weary bison
you're not gonna stick out at 5k
umbral reef
Just keep them chatting for 3+ hours and if they suddenly drop out of the game they are quest users :^)
Or they plugged in there power and can run and jump anymore
languid beacon
True
tidal aspen
aside from memes I really doubt people would ‘discriminate’
then again the community seems to get riled up over dumb shit all the time
lunar shell
Won't discriminate but there will be groups.
covert chasm
we've got a ton of quest avatar submissions that are all under 5k and are all pretty ridiculously good looking
you would be surprised how good stuff can look at 5k
languid beacon
. When trust system came out there were all kinds of stupids bullying over it :p thankfully that didn’t last long
covert chasm
its all about sorting out your problems beforehand in design/concepting
north hazel
idk, it's honestly a reflexive thing when its available
people in pub worlds block new users all the time with no input and prolly without even thinking 😔
kind wedge
A lot of avatar creators on booth have already been releasing versions of their models that follow the quest requirements
languid beacon
A model made for 5K looks way better than a high poly model decimated to 5K
For sure
weary bison
I think it's gonna be pretty hard to tell quest users apart from PC users in general interaction
dusty idol
Decimated
covert chasm
also, I wouldn't think people need to be told this, but i'll say it anyways-- MMDs are meant for rendering. They were NEVER meant for real-time usage, ever. They're already a tight squeeze on PC, but thinking you can decimate a 90k MMD import down to 5k and retain quality is shooting yourself in the foot
if you want a good looking Quest avatar, you're gonna be building it from scratch. Imports will be less pervasive on Quest I think
umbral reef
Loads of older mmd models often dont even have a back because they where not meant to be used in this way
kind wedge
I can't wait to see the great MMD death in VRChat. It's time for this community to grow into it's full potential. No longer shall we fall upon our MMD crutch
vocal shard
^
icy marlin
it's already wild that we have a 70k poly limit as is.
languid beacon
This is making me want a quest just to try but oof I need that Index
vocal shard
Avatars can look good for the quest, it's just not as simple as it is currently where most people just pick up an MMD, drop it in blender, press fix model and then throw it into unity and then upload it. It takes a lot more effort than what is generally done currently.
dusty idol
Could always make new knes
north hazel
honestly same, kill all anime girls 🔫
dusty idol
Ones*
covert chasm
yeah, 70k is ridiculously high. I thought we were gonna boost to 40k or 50k at the most, but then it was decided to go to 70k 
languid beacon
#NotAllAnimeGirls
kind wedge
The quest version of VRC is the definitive version change my mind
umbral reef
@kind wedge People are way to slow with learning how to even combine mmd objects so i doubt we will get a big change...
covert chasm
It turns out that creating optimized content for use in a 3D VR application is so hard, that people do it for their jobs! 🤔
and get PAID for it
north hazel
wild
umbral reef
Pfff tupper dont say crazy stuff like that
tidal aspen
limiting my creativity 😡
languid beacon
I mean it’s gonna remind me of vrchat in the early days when there wasn’t as much content I love that phase tbh
vocal shard
even if you don't have a quest, you know the content will be high performant, you can't be sloppy with anything, so it'll be a lot easier to see who's skilled
dusty idol
I'm trying to learn how to build from scratch so I know fundamentals for optimization
umbral reef
I can just combine some free stuff on the internwebs in 10 minutes and get the same high end quality 😏
covert chasm
from the submissions I've seen, people are enjoying working within the bounds given by Quest
it forces you to be creative
kind wedge
Who knew creating 3D content in general was an acquired skill that people have to learn how to do correctly instead of having it done for them
Amazing
What a novel idea
umbral reef
Also
Cries in learning how to 3d model objects to 3d print
I know the basics from fixing up models but man, making something from nothing with 3d tools does not connect for me.
covert chasm
a lot of modelers I know don't start from nothing
tidal aspen
funnest part of 3D modeling is not
covert chasm
one I know always starts from a cube
dusty idol
I'm at that stage too
covert chasm
take cube, subdivide, adjust, move edges/verts/faces, subdivide more, etc
tidal aspen
there’s a million different approaches
covert chasm
yeah
weary bison
I always start with a plane and take a knife to it
vocal shard
you can still try to convert game assets if you're not ready for blender, just not mmds
tidal aspen
just gotta find one that clicks
languid beacon
Same I start with uv spheres though
umbral reef
Its all about taking that cube and making it into a proper sphere instead of directly importing the sphere
dusty idol
I want to make a tiny nanachi
vocal shard
Creating avatars for the Quest will be a lot less popular due to the complexity of it, because you actually have to put in effort where as currently the majority of people just kinda import MMD's and press a few buttons and done. I think it will breed some real unique interesting avatars though from people who are actually skilled in 3D modeling.
dusty idol
From scratch
alpine crater
I wish there were a safety-style system for PC and quest to block avatars below a certain performance threshold, similar to the dynbones limit
languid beacon
Also; uncapped cylinders make for great head topology - turn the uncapped ends into the eye sockets
vocal shard
He didn’t do anything wrong
tidal aspen
yeah we’d totally know
weary bison
@vocal shard Tell him to email moderation@vrchat.com
languid beacon
It just means less imports. The amount of original content will be about the same there it will just be easier to stand out. It’s not much harder to make low poly content from scratch. It’s just targeting a different budget. It’s easier when you know your limits ahead of time. Modifying content to fit within stricter limits is much harder imho
median basalt
XSFur is optimized by fur shader standards but ultimately still quite laggy
If you're gonna do fur I recommend doing it in the geometry if you have the polys to spare
Do it the same way XSFur does in the shader. Layer some geometry over each other with cutout
"Outright restricting what a user can and cannot create kills part of the enjoyment for a section of the community"
That's true, but that's a philosophy the devs don't always strive to maintain.
Stuff is often removed rather than patched or limited
carmine dew
I mean
Making avatars be it quest or not isn't gonna change really
Even if its a little more effort the amount of common avatars and other little crappy meme avatars are still gonna spread all over
languid beacon
How long until we can get that sweet banana avatar
I want to set it as my quest version of every avatar I own until I make a custom one
Are there rules against making your quest and PC versions very, very different?
Visually?
median basalt
I don't think any rules exist
I was flat-out using different models of the same character on Quest because they were lower poly to start with
candid hemlock
it says im not aloud to publish
covert linden
@candid hemlock Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be 20-40 hours, but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam or oculus account because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/27-why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
candid hemlock
i have a vr account
covert linden
Read the entire thing not the first sentence @candid hemlock
covert linden
Play the game more
covert linden
Read the entire thing. It is what it is
carmine dew
I mean the game is very random really
I had around 200 friends 60 avatars and never did anything bad and around 2k hours but only was a known user
It took around 20 more friends 5 more avatars and 100ish more hours to become trusted
knotty frost
should I get on vr
knotty frost
I do vr on pc and idk how to make my own avatar
languid beacon
It’s not necessarily random, it could be very exact with no dice rolls. We just don’t know the algorithm, so it feels random.
knotty frost
im a very fast learner
carmine dew
Then just go on YouTube
knotty frost
kk
carmine dew
Or ask someone
copper crow
Speaking of youtube, is there a known issue with youtube players in VRC right now? I cant seem to get any to work :/
rough pulsar
I believe there is some issues with youtube-dl and youtube breaking things, should be sorted in the next VRC update.
rigid crescent
I think you can update it yourself or something? Someone mentioned getting it to work
quiet pier
yeah
copper crow
I see. i tried updating youtube-dl just before without any result
quiet pier
You can, at least, I did last time it broke. Just did it now so I've not tested it yet.
hallow trout
well darn
queen mango
@hallow trout Send an mail to moderation@vrchat.com
Make sure to include that as part of the report.
candid hemlock
no one look in avatar-rigging
queen mango
Still, witch-hunting? This server doesn't condone such actions.
rancid vessel
Well that was just bad luck.. Just opened VRChat and it crashed very fast.
In the lag free box as soon as i loaded in..
quiet pier
I just tested. The updating the youtube dl file fixed audio/video playback
copper crow
really?
candid hemlock
XOX
copper crow
hmmm... i didnt do anything for me :/
quiet pier
sure you put it in the right place? :/
copper crow
that maaaaay be the issue
quiet pier
Steam\steamapps\common\VRChat\VRChat_Data\StreamingAssets (assuming you use steam)
copper crow
lets see!
languid beacon
I recommend starting on blender rigging after you already are familiar with how to model
candid hemlock
who
languid beacon
Everyone. Just in general
candid hemlock
oof
quiet pier
❤ You're welcome.
languid beacon
Basically start with learning how to make static models from nothing using the vertex and edge tools. Don’t worry if it looks good, Just make a mess. Learning how blender works is more valuable than making something pretty when starting out
dusty idol
I got. Close to a humanoid
median basalt
Still bummed that my trust rank randomly dropped two ranks
Has anyone else had issues with modded client users retaliating like that?
I blocked a client user and got demoted to Known User, despite being trusted for a year or so
I was "veteran" according to the API 🤔
I sent a mod email but they basically gave me a canned response.
slate verge
i never seen or heard that before
median basalt
That's pretty much what happened. I got warned about a modded client user and avatar ripper by a friend, I blocked them from the website. They blocked me back but I think they did something more to retaliate.
The API said I was system_trust_legend which is the old "veteran" rank
And now I'm Known User ingame despite not being online at all in that week
I emailed the mods but they just gave me a canned response saying "We can't say anything about what happened and we can't manually restore your rank"
My initial email was on friday but was sent with the wrong email address, at least that one gave me some semblance that they were willing to look into it. 😐
slate verge
how can they not manually restore your rank? thats odd.
median basalt
They said it's an automated system
slate verge
well dang, how the heck did client users dropped you then
median basalt
Anyway, the devs recommend you "self-moderate" using the block button. Apparently you shouldn't do that because you may piss off the wrong person, get demoted, and get pretty much no help from the team either.
hidden lake
I haven't really kept up on it, did we see any knuckles support from the Thursday live stream?
slate verge
the system makes no sense if there is a demote system
median basalt
There is definitely a demotion system in place yes
Apparently my avatars are less trustworthy because I got blocked by a hacker.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Also keep in mind, this hacker is still Trusted.
The trust system is utterly broken and the mods apparently can't/won't help you if anything goes wrong.
Just wondering if anyone else had similar experiences but apparently not
woven steppe
I'm annoyed by the rank system in only two ways... One... the amount of hysterical panicking it caused when it was first introduced... and Two, that fresh new players can't just upload content immediately anymore.
median basalt
Well the hysterical panicking was apparently justified
icy marlin
it doesn't take long to get new user
median basalt
When hackers can randomly drop your rank
IMO there should only have been New User and User
This game should be taking advantage of their content development sandbox, rather than continuously shooting their own creators in the foot and creating an atmosphere of utter distrust
high wasp
This game just needs a text-box for people without microphones
VR and Desktop-Seated play
But like a menu thing to open chat or something in the settings to show or hide a chat with a transparent background
and an action button to stop playing emotes haha
woven steppe
imagine trying to use that while in a moving chair...
high wasp
I am in a moving chair
woven steppe
Ingame I meant you numpty
high wasp
Damn.
median basalt
A text box would be bad for the game
median basalt
Initially when I first joined this game had a very nice community (not as much anymore...)
queen mango
@high wasp Kanata-san used to have a world like that. It was called "Type your Word".
high wasp
Like a simple option to enable in the settings smh
median basalt
And the forced mic usage made me go out of my comfort zone
Type your word was killed with webpanels I think
high wasp
Yeah well, some people gotta be silent and that is why it would still be a viable option to have a text-chat as well
Like any other game
icy marlin
rip tell your word
queen mango
The Webpanels.
icy marlin
rip webpanels
median basalt
They got removed along with everything else yeah
slate verge
i think its better without chat box.
median basalt
Just add it to the heap
woven steppe
I mean you could communicate with pens, but that got partially killed off by people now having the ability to block your shaders.
median basalt
Yep that too
I tried to be mute after I got demoted to Known User but it was no use
Nobody had my pens turned on. Not even my response board laser.
woven steppe
I think most people go about with shaders disabled for anyone that's not their friend now.
median basalt
Yeah and it sucks. The game sucks with shaders disabled. It shouldn't be made the default at all.
icy marlin
people abuse shaders too much
median basalt
I wouldn't say "too much". Some people do
I usually show everything and hide specific avatars. I do hide quite a few avatars every evening to be fair
icy marlin
lots of people do
median basalt
I'd rather disable animations than shaders tbh
queen mango
You mean, 1 in 100 Players?
woven steppe
This solution to the "terrible shader abuser problem" is like taking out a hostage taker in a bank robbery situation with loads of hostages... with a grenade...
"Oh... ha! ha!... He blew up!"
queen mango
There should really be someone in the game taking the time to map out the demographics of VRChat's players
Or.. at least, a group of researchers doing so.
woven steppe
Also won't disabling animations still kill pens?
icy marlin
yes
woven steppe
Coz... well you need an animation to turn it on in the first place
steady depot
anyone else having issues with crashing every five minutes?
hollow breach
Yes, but every time it happens I see my friend shoot his gun at me, really weird
queen mango
That may not be a regular gun..
steady depot
hmmm, sounds like there are crashers afoot
woven steppe
crashing every 5 minutes is something my laptop does whenever I ask it to do something remotely taxing.
hollow breach
Yeah it wasn’t, it shot Iron (Fe element from the periodic table). I think he was trying to teach me science but my game crashes every time
But now I remember Fe is iron : D
safe prism
how many foot do you have?
...
one! two!
YAY! i also have two feet!
but if you don't, that's okay too!
sorry i'll lead myself out
hollow breach
Ye lol wtf was that
hollow breach
: o
median basalt
RIP my shader development I guess
safe prism
i mean alternative shitpost
if they're a foot away just push them like ahaha dude
median basalt
No point if nobody can see it due to rank drops
vocal shard
Just rank up again
median basalt
And get yeeted to New User because I block another hacker, no thanks
I was Trusted for a year, block one hacker and suddenly Known'd
???
API even showed I was system_trust_legend ("veteran") before lol
median basalt
It's not organic, the guy probably abused something as retaliation
vocal shard
Or maybe a lot of people decided to block you
median basalt
I checked my blocks and he's literally the only recent one
swift cradle
I'll try and find out my pc specs
median basalt
You can see who blocked you in the API
vocal shard
Or just use vrchat network
median basalt
Same thing as far as I know
vocal shard
Yuh
swift cradle
ops wrong section
vocal shard
Why even complain about people not being able to see your shaders and particles people have a right to be able to turn those things off
median basalt
That's completely irrelevant to the existence of trust ranks though
The default settings turn them off on me now
vocal shard
So what's the problem people can't see your shaders boo hoo if it's that big of a problem ask people to show your model
languid beacon
It would be very complex, but I wish there was a way to manually whitelisted individual shaders like
Nah, nevermind it wouldn't work. I just really hate screenspace stuff
and zoom
Everything else is fine
I wish there was a way to block only those but as I understand it you can't
vocal shard
I mean there is a way to do that and it's been around for a while but you need a modified client to do it
median basalt
@vocal shard spoken like someone who isn't affected by the trust system any. Bit easy for you to say, no?
As I said plenty of times, one major issue is when I have to be mute. I have a very nice setup going with a marker, response board and laser pointer. None of those work with shaders blocked, so the end result is that I am utterly ignored.
It's like all those veteran ranked users that said "I have no problems with the trust system lmao"
Even when trusted I spoke out against this shithole of a caste system that has no place in a social VR game
vocal shard
I had to go from visitor to trusted so get off your high horse buddy
median basalt
Another major issue is that they present it like a "safety" feature even though it's a fucking caste system.
Certain factors can get you ranked up or down that have absolutely fuck-all to do with avatar safety.
At some point they got the two mixed up
And of course the biggest issue, hackers can get you ranked down and the mods won't even care enough to give you a human response.
vocal shard
Well then just tell everyone to not use safety settings and set them to none I'm sure people will listen to you
median basalt
Lmao
What do you think I've been doing all the time? And besides that, how do you expect me to tell people when I have to be mute due to sleeping people?
Wildly gesture in people's faces until they block me entirely, ranking me down more?
vocal shard
Pretend you're an italian and you can be very expressive with your hands
median basalt
The trust system is fucking cancer and should not have even existed
They have listened to zero feedback on the system either, other than a mass outcry of remove veteran
woven steppe
lol italians and hands
median basalt
The fact that Veteran even existed is proof plenty that they wanted it to be a caste system.
woven steppe
I only have two Italian friends in VRC... and only one of them has expressive hand movements...
tough vigil
hi
vocal shard
or just as a way to say thanks to the people that spend a massive amount of time in the game and have contributed immensely to the community
median basalt
You mean like at least two known instances of hackers and crashers having obtained "veteran", while world creators that worked their ass off were stuck at User?
🤔
vocal shard
If you're preaching about how rank doesn't matter and shouldn't exist why complain about being a lower rank other then to gripe that people can't see my pen
median basalt
I never said ranks don't matter, clearly they do. They shouldn't.
Not being able to communicate in a social VR game is kind of a big deal
woven steppe
If they really wanted to say thanks to people who spend a massive amount of time ingame... the best way to do it is not to do anything... Because people don't like something that they have gotten used to, to just change.
vocal shard
99% of the time when someone sees someone trying to write them something cause they're a mute they will show the avatar to see what you are writing
median basalt
That is simply not true.
vocal shard
That's been my experience
woven steppe
that's a bit late tho... if you show the avatar AFTER they begin writing... you sort of miss a load of what they're writing because of load times
vocal shard
Then you can re write it
woven steppe
And that is why it's a dreadful experience... Have you seen how long people take to write anything?
vocal shard
Exactly so just whisper if you can't talk at a regular speaking volume
woven steppe
well anything that's not singular words at least
languid beacon
man the Index's stereo separation has me worried. Oculus went out of their way to eliminate binocular rivalry entirely., saying it was a huge problem for immersion. Then Index goes and increases stereo separation. I'm worried I'm just going to feel like wearing binoculars on Index
and i reallly want to upgrade to it, but rift's screens are so.... comfortable
silver stirrup
Ikr? I mean sure I can super-gesture with Index controllers but nothing messes with my rift touch
It feels like it’s resting in my hand instead of me actually holding something. I love it.
languid beacon
The stereo separation on DK2 bugged the heck out of me that i couldn't wear it for longer than a half hour
and close up objects made me go crosseyed
i noticed all that went away on CV1
silver stirrup
Cv1 seems alright to me
languid beacon
yeah all my DK2 issues were fixed on CV1
silver stirrup
By stereo separation do you mean how like you’re looking through binoculars?
languid beacon
I think a lot of people that only used CV1 take a lot for granted
basically CV1 has almost no binocular rivalry.
you just see one circle
Valve pulled the circles apart
so there's edges on either side that are not 3D
and some blind spot up close to your nose
silver stirrup
Ahh. That doesn’t sound good
languid beacon
can't tell until i experience it, but that was DK2 as well
i could see two separate circles like a ven diagram
umbral oracle
Isn't that normal? You take Advantage of the fact that you can't tell most of what is going on the side of your vision
silver stirrup
I like your name
languid beacon
Well seeing two circles makes it easy to tell you're looking at a screen and the vr illusion breaks down when objects get close to you
median basalt
Apparently the index controllers can essentially be "released" though
umbral oracle
Lol this isn't confusing at all
languid beacon
Man you two
median basalt
So you don't feel like holding it
languid beacon
oh yeah i'm not worried about index controllers at ALL.
i'm worried about the headset
silver stirrup
For rift touch, that’s what it feels like to me
indigo fern
yea, the controller has this pad that tightens around the back of the hand so you can let go
umbral oracle
How do you type with index controllers strapped to your hand
languid beacon
knuckle/index controllers are just Touch controllers 2.0 to me. i think they'll be perfect
my only issue with them is I don't think a fist will feel like a fist
umbral oracle
With vive I can just put the controllers down but when they are strapped on that sounds a bit tedious
languid beacon
With touch, your pinky and ring finger can fully close when you make a fist, because touch's handles are tiny.
silver stirrup
Wish I could use it with rift lol
umbral oracle
You should be able to if you buy a base station and do space calibrator, same as fbt users
languid beacon
Yeah, trust me though while Tach has made great software that makes it mostly painless to sync playspaces before every vrchat session
it's still just this annoying step you have to do every time
and there is still drift
to the point where i really want to move everything to lighthouse with index
but if you have both types of tracking sensors yes you can totally use index controllers with rift
Somehow i imagine my hands drifting would become even more annoying than my hips and feet drifitng
gaunt rapids
I am not able to hear any music in any of the club worlds
But other people can
Is there a fix for this that I can do on my end?
I'm assuming its Youtube-Dl related?
merry minnow
Update your youtube-dl to the may 11th version
vocal shard
Is your sound effects turned down
gaunt rapids
No all sound is up
merry minnow
And then as long as the instance is started by someone with the may 11th version of youtube dl, it will work
shrewd crow
is anyone haveing login issues
gaunt rapids
Do I just replace the youtube-dl.exe with the new version i just downloaded?
The existing one is in my VRChat/VRChat_Data/Streaming Assets
merry minnow
Yes
Make sure vrchat is closed, or you have to restart it for this to work. And i always doublecheck to make sure the file version is correct when doing this
shrewd crow
is anyones vrc loading really slow
gaunt rapids
Yup that fixed it
merry minnow
even behind a vpn, mine is loading fine
shrewd crow
damnit wtf
vocal shard
Hey guys im blind; wheres the help channel for setting up vr headsets 🤔
Have you tried looking up tutorials on youtube
i hadnt yet; i think its a "go to the store tomorrow and fix it" kind of issue. Got a mixed reality but have no bluetooth lol
Yeah just buy a USB Bluetooth dongle
Must be at least Bluetooth 4.0
would a PCI-e Wifi card work?
If it has built in Bluetooth, yeah
Until then, you can still play without the controllers if you have an Xbox controller
rough pulsar
Or spend all your money and get an Index
vocal shard
Each has their own benefits and drawbacks
covert linden
@carmine dew if youve got a vr ready pc youre better not getting quest
vocal shard
is there anyone here that puts avatars into vrchat willing to answer some questions 👀
covert linden
Avatars
slate verge
avatar the last air bender
vocal shard
avatar the last air blender
worthy oracle
wut
carmine dew
@covert linden but even still I find it a little more comforting to be able to use my headset and anytime really and all I need is the headset charged
I'm not saying pc vrs are bad at all just this is pretty amazin honestly
vocal shard
I really like the quest. Gah, I keep jumping back and forth between a new GPU for my current VR settup, or a quest for when I travel to South America
not really a hotel... A room in my uncle's house in a small village in a desert
But yeah 👌
slate verge
no offense, but the hub is terribly ugly
vocal shard
my aunt and uncle live down there for half the year helping out the community. I've been traveling there every once in a while. It's really cool to feel a part of something.
Anyway, back to vrchat topic
slate verge
well i didn't say i hate it, its just ugly to me
vocal shard
Designed to be quest compatable I guess. I haven't seen it yet
slate verge
its like the area's are all compressed or minimized
the camp spot is right infront of the spawn point and the mirror area right after it
covert linden
The hub / home is hideous.
slate verge
its not like i said. its just ugly.
covert linden
I miss the old hub now theyre just getting worse and worse
vocal shard
I understand what they mean by even the current one is a bit big. When everyone loaded into the hub it was ok for it to be bigger so you could get your bearings. But now since you can do that in your home, it's just a nice cosy meeting place
slate verge
that doesn't mean that its bad or i hate it.
slate verge
yeah, its just terrible design thats all. But i'm sure theres a reason behind it.
vocal shard
I liked loading into the hub. It was really cool meeting people joining for the first time
covert linden
Aggreeeddd
slate verge
thats one thing nice about the hub i guess
i can give an example, the colors and textures in the new hub has a more washed textures for some reason...while the old one seems more...sci-fi
covert linden
I miss the blue one
vocal shard
I would have liked a revamp of the old hub tbh. The one with stone and the fire in the middle
slate verge
i'm sure i can grow with the new hub over time
covert linden
I liked the blue one with the biig building in the centerrr
slate verge
yeah thats the old one, i like that old one cuz i used to always run around it
covert linden
Me too
vocal shard
I meant the one before that one
But yeah that was fun too
covert linden
I never got to see the one before
slate verge
oh i had no idea there was one before that one
vocal shard
The first one was almost mideval. Like cobblestone at night with a campfire in the middle. Then off the the side a corridor that lead to the mirror and props
covert linden
We could always have two different hubs. One for quest one for pc
slate verge
i don't get about the quest thing, have they always have their own servers?
covert linden
Not to mention mobile vs pc is two different assets. So itll look different
Basically mobile assets cant view pc assets, vise versa, @slate verge so some worlds are mobile only, some pc only, Some are made with both assets
queen mango
Speaking of which, I logged into VRChat a few hours ago. They already added in the new VRChat Home and Hub. "(CP)" even.
slate verge
huh....
i didn't notice any change with the default home, only the hub. Unless i'm overlooking it.
vocal shard
The quest has it's own maps and avatars. But worlds that are set up for crossplay have two different ones loaded under the same blueprint. So the PC version can see a high detail map and avatar, while quest in the same instance talking to PC users see a lower quality version
slate verge
oh.
how does that even work i wonder. Some avatars have very high detailed texture or quality.
covert linden
Tthey recreate them and upload them under the same blueprint as mobile
So its two seperate versions
vocal shard
If you make your avatar, you can also make a quest version that has less polygons and no effects. Upload it under the same blueprint and quest users will see that lower avatar even if you are using a highly detailed avatar on PC. If you don't do that, quest users will just see you as a default avatar
slate verge
ohhh okay that makes sense now
vocal shard
We all expected the quest to be a completely separate server since there's no way it could run vrchat like we do on PC. But by doing this, it still allows for crossplay. It's really quite a nice feature that we didn't need, but makes the quest version much better than it could have been
slate verge
oh i suppose you could put it that way
is there a way to determine which users are quest users
queen mango
None that I know of so far.
slate verge
Hm...
umbral reef
Beside that the user cant join pc worlds at all there should be no way to notice
slate verge
well i meant specifically in the cross-play worlds
vocal shard
Oh
Hmm, so what I gather from reading the post is...
I looks like it's only if you don't have a quest/PC crossplay avatar.
If someone has a quest and doesn't have a crossplay avatar, you will see like the hologram avatar. But instead of thinking their avatar isn't loading, it shows that icon to tell you. If they have a proper crossplay avatar it doesn't show the icon.
modern sand
You won't see the hologram avatar but another one
dense kayak
Quest was a mistake
umbral reef
I don't think it's a mistake I more think that people had too high of an expectation on what it can do
ebon cape
hey
umbral reef
Well you for once have done more research on it then most others
But I have seen plenty of users who think all online games will function 100% the same, that they can use the headset anywhere (inside out tracking limits it), think that the battery legit lasts hours while playing bigger games and ect
covert linden
Thats short
umbral reef
Ain't a lot at all imo. Mainly as I'd be a slow charging process. Would really have to plug it in every time you play
covert linden
Imagine playing a game for only 2 hours..
umbral reef
You can wire it and play though to get a longer playtime but welll.... Your wired then again
Legit the biggest drawback imo and also the reason I can't even get it for demo's
I can carry an PC with vr around but not 10 quests 😂
Big odds you gotta wait untill release for them to show how the model looks
covert linden
Whats the confusing part
That cant be answered until its released but ruubick said its NOT hologram avatars its default avatars
Itd be either nameplate or avatar but again we wont know until the games released
hushed harness
does anyone know where i can find pink guy avatar?
wow they updaed default respawn with better default nice!
idk i crashed erlier and relogg wait i dont remember default respawn room look like this updated maybe?
vocal shard
it has a new look and more skins you can choose from
hushed harness
yea
snow scaffold
I was wondering... Do VRC team earn any money from the game, somehow?
slate verge
doesn't look like they are
snow scaffold
They definitely should. I mean, they seriously need some staff to improve on security and moderation
They should start a Patreon or make some kind of donation campaign
umbral reef
They got investor money and thats it really
They got no source of active income so far we know
snow scaffold
Hope Oculus paid them some to have the game on Quest at day one.
umbral reef
Doubt it really
snow scaffold
Oh there was a Reddit topic about it, just found https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/7ohf3q/how_is_vrchat_making_money/
"The company stands at 16 people today, many hired “directly through the VRChat community.” There is no office. They meet in VRChat and work remotely using Slack and Discord."
Sounds cool. Using Unity since 2011, I guess l'd love to work for them.
umbral reef
Right now they have a fair bit more workers
snow scaffold
Yeah I guess so, the article is pretty old
white lichen
is there any way to see the places i have been before besides recent? like, all places?
vocal shard
hi
slate verge
hello!
@white lichen recent actually shows you all of the worlds you've been to. You just have to keep on scrolling through it.
white lichen
it only shows 20 of them, not everything
slate verge
no...i'm pretty sure it showed everything. I went through it one time and found even the old worlds i was looking for.
it shows 36 for me Hm....
white lichen
https://snag.gy/DxKhSj.jpg thats the MAX , and ive been to more places than that
slate verge
click on expand and swipe through it, it will load.
white lichen
thats what ive been doing
slate verge
then i have no idea
white lichen
should i contact vrchat-support?
vocal shard
Hmm I got idea — we need Fashion Show for Knuckles in honor of the new sonic movie
tawdry halo
freinds
vocal shard
sup doods
neat wyvern
I can't wait to play VRChat when my leg trackers arrive
They're supposed to get here today so that's fun
Indeed
vocal shard
hello, I'm new here, and not quite familiar to this place. I'm StormWolf ^^;
lament dew
But it didn't work
cold ibex
That’s like any song tho
vocal shard
Hey, I wanna chat, I'm available
lament dew
@cold ibex no
vocal shard
teano go to random and ask not in here. this is for vrchat
small wing
Anyone else hyped about the new LTS stuff?
Hoping it get's an upgrade soon, wondering if nested prefabs are actually that big.
vocal shard
LTS?
small wing
Unity version.
vocal shard
idk of any unity version called LTS
still lark
LTS stands for Long Term Support.
vocal shard
long term support is a unity version?
covert linden
Rad #general-media
desert stratus
its the one we use for vrc rn
2017 LTS 4.15f1
2018 lts is supposed to (i think/hope) make a lot of things better in terms of performance
idk if its an out of the box thing or it just makes things easier to implement
what we can expect is better hardware utilization tho as one thing
using all of your CPU's cores properly for example
i think. ask someone who actually does game dev stuffs tho to be 100% sure ^ ^`
modern sand
Most of those are old myths
desert stratus
ah shit rlly?
modern sand
Yep, but it'll help regardless, eventually
desert stratus
i just want the game to run better than 45 frames in an empty room man > <
modern sand
That's probably due to your PC, you should easily get 90 in an empty room
Unless the room is terribly optimized
desert stratus
yeah...
i just dread the day that im gonna have to go out and actually buy a new motherboard + processor
uhh if you dont mind me asking what can we actually expect from the 2018 lts update both out of the box and down the line?
in terms of improvements?
modern sand
I'm not an engineer so a lot of it goes above my head, but you can read about it yourself on their website or on lists people have made when they upgraded their own games
"unity 2017 to 2018 changes" with specific versions
median basalt
Unity 2018 will have performance improvements for sure
But it won't magically make the game lag-free or multithread it all.
It gives the devs the opportunity to use the Jobs system to multithread stuff. In particular, they should definitely be looking at multithreading the IK, the networking, and Dynamic Bone.
As those are the biggest performance hogs.
The voice system is apparently on another thread already so that's good
median basalt
They wanted to network the IK instead which I'm still not sure about
desert stratus
much of it is generally "aw yee performance improvements" and scriptable render pipelines or whatever tf
as well as C# stuffs
one thing that caught my eye is that apparently particles can run much better thanks to this thing i literally just forgot the name of
GPU - something someting
GPU instancing?
tacit plank
The normal shader has a GPU instancing checkbox, I think you can add it to any shader with a bit of code. Not sure how well it works, or if it only makes sense to do if you use the same shader a lot of times
tacit plank
New Unity has some "job system" but besides that I don't remember
You could be right
desert stratus
cuz this sounds interesting for performance but apparently it doesnt work for custom shaders out of the box
which means that if its izi to use for vrchat then it could be great for quest users if it matters that much at all since standard shaders would prob be the best to use on quest i think???
languid beacon
Checked out the new home. Good stuff, much better fps on my gtx970 as well
desert stratus
yeah so far everyones been saying "uwu uwu the job system makes it easier to implement multithreaded work and the new scriptable render pipelines give you more control over graphics"
im more excited about the job system since most people use shaders that are an absolute mess anyway, unless this control is also accessible to users in some capacity?
because from my understanding the scriptable pipelines are more for the dev side of things for how everything in the game is going to come out at the very end, the very end being how you see it
i dont even really know what a pipeline is in a unity sense or what it does but that thing is always there as a component whether youre uploading an avatar from the world
so im guessing its not that big of a deal at all on the user side since its a constant for everyone
if that makes sense
vocal shard
the pipeline refers to how the rendering of a frame is done
desert stratus
ahh! yeah thats definitely something that no player needs to be concerned about then lol
vocal shard
not really no 😄 but itll help the people working on the client
desert stratus
as for the devs is there any changes to performance we can expect to the new pipeline? everyone seems to be hyping up the artistic potential but im more interested to see if there can be significant boosts in performance to glean from this
if frames can be rendered faster in any way while also still looking good ill be happy
tImE tO rEaD
vocal shard
I’m expecting those for sure, the standard shader and GI can be a little weird, more control is good
languid beacon
I don’t think VRC will be updating unity any time soon? Did I miss an announcement?
desert stratus
apparently biggest impact goes to smaller developers who can do a fuck of a lot more with their projects now
definitely not any time soon, but i believe this year
Tl;dr new unity lts has some good implications for the game, such as performance
it just came out so it would take time to update to it but i wouldnt be surprised if its already a priority for the devs
the main concern seems to be backwards compatibility and buggy unity shit which im scared of but they did this before when they jumped from normal unity to lts
languid beacon
Oh I want new unity for “rotation constraint” component alone. Hopefully not laggy but it can do what the usual fixed joint + rigid body does now...
desert stratus
this should be quicker and i dont think vrcha is that big of a project anyway since most is user content
yes yes yes! we can also hope for stuff like dynamic bones, ik and network shit to be multithreaded now
not my word but an example of what to expect/what's possible
languid beacon
“I don’t think the client that big of a project.” -End User
desert stratus
it will take work tho since most of the features aren't out of the box performance boosts
my internet is breaking hold on
yeahh im not exactly a game dev sooo ^ ^`
languid beacon
Games are the biggest, most scary projects. Lol
desert stratus
i hope it takes less time and less headaches to upgrade tho
i dont wanna wait till mid/late fall for the new unity >~<
languid beacon
I’m in no rush for new unity really I just want to start messing with udon
jaunty fog
neat wyvern
My leg trackers arrived but only 2 of them showed up
Apparently the third one is coming from somewhere else, and so it's supposed to arrive later today as a separate delivery. What's weirder is that a bucket of paint that my dad ordered arrived with the trackers.
rigid crescent
Yeah mine did that too. Two arrived together and one a few hours later.
languid beacon
Man I wish personal space option worked with friends
They’re the only ones I need it on
tiny ginkgo
does it make people disappear when they get too close?
ruby needle
Yes
indigo fern
It's been 2 months and #3d-modeling is still above #animation 😔
I don't think they're gonna switch em around again
modern sand
👀
rough pulsar
I know at one point I was the one who accidentally rearranged some channels here since chat mods had that permission for a while
slate verge
😂
indigo fern
Wow, so it was gal the whole time
That's actually griefing, I'm going to cry
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
indigo fern
Oof, hopefully it's still in your recents, or maybe you remember the name
desert stratus
im dumb uwu
covert linden
I mightve favourited it. I hope so at least
indigo fern
We all are UwU
It should be in your recents I think, I mean you're there when you start the game
covert linden
Oh riight
covert linden
Probably was meant to be.maybe? Or people who havent changed it
heavy dawn
Actually I was getting kicked out of the default home and sent back to my custom one over the weekend. 🤣
neat wyvern
I only just found out about the new home
I was like "why is it taking so long to load" and then I was greeted with the new home
desert stratus
quest is c o m i n g
languid beacon
Home and hub were updated with quest compatable starters
They’re pretty nice actually better than the old home starters even if lower poly
vocal shard
ever heard of a google cardboard?
languid beacon
Never
odd vortex
vocal shard
?
ruby needle
The language on this Discord is English with the exception of the language specific channels if your's is available there.
@odd vortex
vocal shard
fpaul if he doesnt speak english how is he going to undersatnad u
ruby needle
Neither do you know that nor is that our problem.
vocal shard
is there a danish person here?
languid beacon
Opus auxilium cum de VRChat. Quis mihi? Quis huc latine loqui non est?
brazen surge
hushed harness
why in the hell people keep crashing other avatars lol
rigid crescent
For fun.
languid beacon
I’m more curious how people do it on max safety
royal pond
There are exploits but they shouldn’t be discussed here
median basalt
Not really exploits as much as it's simply "too much" of just about anything
If you absolutely don't wanna be crashed, disable animations for anyone except friends
Differentiating per rank won't help as there are the same amount of crashers in literally any rank.
If anything, visitor is slightly safer than anyone else (but not foolproof as they could be using a public crash avatar)
harsh star
For safety settings I set it to custom and enable Avatar and Voice for everyone including friends. I manually show my trusted friends.
rigid crescent
I've got everything but animations on for everyone who isn't a friend unless I show them manually.
languid beacon
I want more settings to be trust level toggable, like personal space and cameras
vocal shard
It's insane what people are making here
Will be keeping an eye on Twitter all day to retweet some of the cooler stuff that comes out of this room throughout the week. Going to be hard b/c soo much amazing art
chilly current
i was just there it was fun
chilly current
i kinda miss the old loading screen
languid beacon
It triggered some height fear for some people 😛
Does anyone else find hard/annoying to deal with locomotion in games that aren’t VRChat?
VRC has it down so flawlessly I get annoyed when other vr games are even slightly different
paper crag
hi
neon flume
I really dislike smooth locomotion which is relative to controller orientation. I think Fallout 4 used that and it took quite a while to get used to.
languid beacon
Yeah I could name off some games that use controller orientation but it’s not allowed. It makes me sick near instantly though
paper crag
@covert linden
candid hemlock
never pin a mod its bad luck
languid beacon
Rea isn’t a mod
covert linden
@paper crag dont ping me at random
paper crag
Sorry
covert linden
Its fine
languid beacon
You can ping me at random tho
covert linden
It just makes me never know when im actully needed
languid beacon
But only at random
paper crag
oh ok
paper pewter
xD
paper crag
rea
chilly current
i rarely talk in here lol
paper crag
did u get my message
terse perch
hey everyone
paper crag
hey!
chilly current
hey
terse perch
: )
paper crag
^^
umbral reef
Might be best to jump into #general-media as its more fit for this chatter
paper pewter
oof, yeah
paper crag
oclac long time no see xD
terse perch
Does anyone know how to get the game for PC?
paper crag
Ya
terse perch
:T
paper crag
its either their official website or steam
ruby needle
dont ask the same question in multipel channels
especially as its allready been answered in the other
Thanks.
paper crag
o-o
terse perch
what's the website?
terse perch
one sec im getting it
paper crag
k
terse perch
anyone friend me once I make it
paper crag
good luck on ur exam
terse perch
gl
terse perch
k
languid beacon
Are you in blender or unity
candid hemlock
blender
languid beacon
Does the mesh have an armature modifier
candid hemlock
ill send it to u
languid beacon
(Wrench tab of inspector)
I’m on a phone lol
Probably stick with #avatars-2-general for this kind of thing
chilly current
i got the same name on vrchat as of here
candid hemlock
the model will be in #avatars-2-general
chilly current
i remember the time i saw a video of vrchat for the first time, it had leeroy, goldentate and ikrium,i couldnt stop freakin out over how fun the game looked,(today over 2000 houra)
terse perch
im in and playing ;w;
languid beacon
Many first introduction to vrchat was seeing a video “guy in fullbody vr has seizure”
While this is horrible, it did effectively bring it to my attention that full body capture in vr exists and I made it my personal goal to obtain it. Which I have. Here I am...
slate verge
today i learned that you can always change into the default robot avatar and its not even on your avatar list
inner cape
with a keyboard shortcut, yes, fooni
dense kayak
It's amazing how people still think its real
umbral reef
Its the same thing that i still get people who will jump high and low while denying that a lack of sleep, stress, bad eating and drinking can also trigger a seizure.
People are badly educated about how illnesses work and when it combined with new tech these things happen.
paper crag
anybody got any requests on which vive i should get ;-;
if you do dm please
thanks ^^
vocal shard
Eh? It's pretty much the normal Vive or the pro.
paper crag
its cuz people are talking about the htc one
vocal shard
HTC is the Vive.
There's different VR headsets.
The Vive is now 3 years old with the lowest resolution screen on the market, the pro is a bit higher resolution but many consider overpriced.
The new one that most are talking about is the valve index
paper crag
which one to u recomenrd for VrChat? XD
vocal shard
Depends. Personally I'd recommend the Oculus Rift S to the average VR user.
If you're wanting full body tracking and you have lots of money to spend, I'd look towards the valve index.
But everyone has different opinions so it's good to do your own research
velvet quarry
If you have the funding and computer to run it, I'd personally recommend waiting a bit and keeping an eye on the Index, check its reviews and such once its been released.
Vive Pro costs more then an Index and is probably worse then an Index, owning one I wouldn't recommend it.
If money is an issue, a Rift S might be worth looking into, though similarly I don't think it's out yet.
vocal shard
Cya
vocal shard
🤔
inner cape
before this convo even started
in which i didnt participate
so, whats going on
dude
same
vocal shard
Might be hard to read tho