vrchat-general-2

[vocal shard]

vr games arent even that big anyway

superhot isnt even a whole gigabyte

[covert linden]

Dont forget the drivers and stuff that already will have to be downloaded on it

Like windows on a pc, takes up space

[vocal shard]

i will forget it

[covert linden]

And the fact that games have memory, cache, saved files that make it bigger

[vocal shard]

because it has 64gb of extra storage not counting the os and drivers and stuff

[covert linden]

Watch this guy come back because he regrets ps2vr

[vocal shard]

vr games are already small and will be even smaller on the quest

they are max 5gb

[ruby burrow]

I'm currently trying to decide whether the Quest version of my avatar should have either a slightly downgraded head but a cardboard box for the body, or decimate the entire thing, maintaining the body but instead lose all eye tracking and lip sync.

VR eats storage like a starving dragon.

[covert linden]

Do a beautiful box with an image of a body

[umbral reef]

I can get you the sizes of all games in a while as I'm not at home

[ruby burrow]

My cache for VRC right now is 17gb.

[covert linden]

Vr does eat a lot of storage, I need to move my cache to my D drive because after 1 day its full

[umbral reef]

@ruby burrow make it fully carroard cutout style

[vocal shard]

vrchat will probably have a massive optimization update soon, to go along side the release of the quest version

[covert linden]

Thats not possible when its all user content

Users themselves have to fix their worlds and many wont

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard also supperhot is 3gb 👀
And it's a light weight game.

[covert linden]

They could give us that networking ik tho

[vocal shard]

What is going on? The VRChat client has been split in two? Is this a good idea, splitting up the community like this and the team developing for two clients?

[covert linden]

Its not possible for them to have it combined

[vocal shard]

Why is that then?

[covert linden]

Have you seen the restrictions?

[vocal shard]

there is the main quest + pc, and then you have the puny peasant pc only

I mean you only have to limit one client.

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard it's been on paper not split
But quest users can only see quest content.
While be users have to downgrade hardcore to play in quest worlds

[ruby burrow]

There's still hundreds of previously good worlds that never reuploaded for the unity 2017 update, and all they had to do was literally open the file and re-upload it.

[covert linden]

You cannot connect the quest to the pc

Theyd have to remove ALL user content as of now and get everyone to reupload a version that you can run on quest which many people dont want to do

They probably HAD to put it on the quest since vrc was made to reel people into VR

[vocal shard]

all the good ones probably will

[ruby burrow]

Expecting many to gut their worlds down to 12% of the poly count, whilst completely overhauling the lighting, removing audio, bringing it down from 100 materials to 5, etc...

That's very optimistic.

[covert linden]

Maybe the popular ones but thats like 5-10 maps

[ruby burrow]

It's going to be a major problem soon that Quest users simply get left behind by friend groups due to not being able to follow them into most worlds.

[umbral reef]

Only base unity shaders :^)

[covert linden]

Most people who play desktop wont because theyd like to keep a high poly count, use lighting video players etc

[woven steppe]

They pretty much have to make an entirely new game and it's content

[umbral reef]

@ruby burrow TBH I expect to see quest and non quest groups
Same for events :')

Not more then 10 users in a room at all really
Glad doing an event there

[vocal shard]

I 'm just really confused by the whole thing, i'd not event heard of quest until now.

[covert linden]

Im not really gonna visit quest worlds, downgraded to that much sounds... eeh?

[vocal shard]

i cant even buy a rift on the website lmao

[ruby burrow]

@woven steppe Basically yeah. And the new Quest community are going to be making far less content due to already not being the PC oriented types of people.

[umbral reef]

Because you can only get the future upgrade the quest s

[covert linden]

The rift isnt for sale anymore but its not the only vr headset

[woven steppe]

I'd visit the quest version of the box

[ruby burrow]

@covert linden As a PC player you'd still see the normal version, unless they started from Quest and didn't create a full version.

[covert linden]

Ohh okay

[ruby burrow]

PC players can't visit Quest only worlds same as Quest can't visit regular PC only. Needs to be specially published for both for people to meet.

[covert linden]

Theres valve, vive, Windows mixed reality, oculus S, Odessy+, Pimax, etc,

Rift isnt the only headset on the market but happens to not even be on the market

[vocal shard]

portability is a massive factor for me as well

I't's like they just announced it and presumed everyone knows what it is.

[ruby burrow]

It does annoy me that the Rift-S is just ever so slightly half assed.

[covert linden]

Portable isnt worth what u get

Idk how often youregoinng out where youd just throw a vr on-

[ruby burrow]

Budget is fine, but things like the lack of IPD adjust does just feel like bad corner cutting.

[woven steppe]

just carry your PC around with you

[ruby burrow]

Anyway, I don't think there's much more we can say here.

[covert linden]

Yeah it is what it is, if hes sold on it we can watch him return realizing he just bought a ps2

[languid beacon]

People don’t understand you can keep the pc version of your world as is. You are just making a lower quality that the quest users see while they are cross play in world

[ruby burrow]

Wally seems pretty set. I hope he enjoys it.

Yeah, I was just saying that Ade.

[covert linden]

Theres still a player max thatll be forced to 10 in worlds though will there not be?

[umbral reef]

Same for avatars
Can both upload a quest and normal version on the same id

[languid beacon]

As a pc user you won’t see any of this lower quality content. This is just the alternate file to send the quest users

[covert linden]

SO worlds like the pug if its uploaded like that, can only have 10 people?

[umbral reef]

But I'm lazy enough to fix my normal avatar. Ain't gonna make it quest ready

[covert linden]

same

[ruby burrow]

Yep. The only lower quality content existing users will see is the Quest avatars.

Despite all the aversion here, hopefully people are civil. >_>

[woven steppe]

Probably even have encountered avatars that are at quest quality in the past anyway.

[languid beacon]

If all goes well you can’t spot a quest user. There is no oppurtunity for not being civil quest users ideally will have a nice looking pc version of their avatar that PC users see.

[umbral reef]

I hope it also but I doubt it tho

[ruby burrow]

I have one avatar that is only 800 poly. Fully quest ready already.

But it's from a PSP game, so... xD

[umbral reef]

Well it's not like the PC users who don't want to be close to quest users will be forced with them

[covert linden]

You can spot if you drop a portal to say murder and they cant go through

[woven steppe]

unless they just can't see a working portal

Got a friend that sees portals only as dark voids

[umbral reef]

TBH I wonder how portals will display at the current way should not work

[ruby burrow]

Will be interesting to see if anyone makes maps that are deliberately different for each platform, beyond just basic downgrading.

[languid beacon]

You assume murder won’t get an android build

[ruby burrow]

Eg, secret doors that others can't see.

[covert linden]

Murder was a random world I said because its well known

But it has enough glitches we dont need more due to a port..

[ruby burrow]

Triggers and such need to be identical for both versions Rae.

[vocal shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KmXllrBNHw this will probably be around the same on the quest

[languid beacon]

Identicle triggers and colliders between windows and android versions are required

[covert linden]

Yeah, I get that just the map breaks easily so I wasnt sure if the triggers could be perfectly rigged

Im not a world builder afterall

[ruby burrow]

Lol, not a chance Wally. For starters count the number of players on camera.

VRC is limiting itself to 10 players per world for Quest.

No wait... how does that work for cross platform worlds? '-'

[covert linden]

Thats what I was saying

[ruby burrow]

Am I mistaken there? Because I don't see how that would work out.

[covert linden]

Would any world ported be forced to 10?

[ruby burrow]

Surely not, or else none will.

[languid beacon]

There is not a limit of 10 players. It’s suggested

[covert linden]

But whats the leinience.. like, surely 20 is overkill

[languid beacon]

If your world is quest only (android build only)

[ruby burrow]

Ah, ok then. So Quest players will just crash when a friend group raids a shared instance. ._.

[covert linden]

Ahh perfect

[vocal shard]

quest is more powerful than pc

[covert linden]

itll be sad when theres a world thats all desktop users donig animations and some quest people enter and miss out on the experiance entirely

[woven steppe]

I mean 10's reasonable to be honest. Only worlds that are really big would 20 and more would actually be "comfortable" to be in.

[languid beacon]

Not if 1.) most pc users don’t even have an android build of their avatar 2.) those that so are well made

[covert linden]

@vocal shard QUest is running on the same proccessor as your phone, is your phone more powerful than your pc (Snapdragon 835)

[ruby burrow]

Ugh... I hadn't thought of that til now. Crashers...

[vocal shard]

yes

[ruby burrow]

Are going to enjoy screwing with the different platform publishing.

[covert linden]

Wrong,

[vocal shard]

right

[covert linden]

@vocal shard There is a reason avatars went from a 70k poly limit, to 5k, why we cant have any shaders, why worlds are extremely limited, its because the quest cant run shit :D

[ruby burrow]

You'll have people building crash tools into only one version of their avatar.

[woven steppe]

LOL... filtered crashing

[covert linden]

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-to-compare-Snapdragon-835-845-with-the-Intel-i7-s-latest-generation

[ruby burrow]

Wait what. I missed that line. "quest is more powerful than pc"
There's no need to go full troll Wally. >_>

That's saying a mo-ped is faster than a racing motorbike.

[covert linden]

THis article here states an i7 7k is MUCH stronger than a snapdragon 835, however no eles documents exist on it, because its a stupid comparrison.. that I am certain nearly nobody searched for before other than me

[woven steppe]

I know my phone is more powerful than that ancient PC from 1998 I have in the shed...

[vocal shard]

its more powerful because it has a big resolution

[ruby burrow]

What...

[covert linden]

what? that makes no sense

[vocal shard]

cant afford a rift

[covert linden]

theres no ipd, meaning worse resolution

wally there are more vr headsets than just a rift.

[ruby burrow]

I'll say it kindly. That's statement is retarded. (That's the kind version)

[woven steppe]

Well in that case my TV's my most powerful electronic device in the house

[covert linden]

rift headsets arent even for sale anymore, there are literally dozens

[vocal shard]

But how can they work on two clients at the same time, i mean it's only a small team.

[covert linden]

Tiger peple have to make quest specific worlds

[meager solstice]

rip rift

[woven steppe]

There are games that's been developed with literally one person

[vocal shard]

they have 4 people its a huge team

look at the top right

lol

[covert linden]

if thats the case my 3ds must be stronger than my pc

[vocal shard]

no the switch is

[meager solstice]

I love memes

[covert linden]

wheres my old ps2

https://www.amazon.ca/Acer-AH101-D8EY-Windows-Reality-VD-R05AP-002/dp/B075PVLN2P/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=windows+mixed+reality&qid=1554993044&s=gateway&sr=8-2

https://www.amazon.ca/HTC-VIVE-Virtual-Reality-System/dp/B00VF5NT4I/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=windows+mixed+reality&qid=1554993055&s=gateway&sr=8-5

[heavy dawn]

CAD 445... hmm, may as well get a rift. Is it better rez?

[covert linden]

You cant get a rift

you can only get oculus rifts used

[ruby burrow]

The other thing that will be awkward, is when players cheat the SDK limits and just upload regular avatars to use on their Quest.

[heavy dawn]

I found one of those fat PS2s in a thrift store and made some Free McBoot memory cards for it. Put in an IDE drive and ripped my (legit) games to it.

[meager solstice]

U know the price of a used oculus rift is pretty high right now

[covert linden]

https://www.amazon.ca/Samsung-Electronics-Wireless-Controllers-XE800ZBA-HC1US/dp/B07HS7R1RT/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=samsung+odyssey&qid=1554993074&s=gateway&sr=8-6

[ruby burrow]

And you get one player with more poly count that the entire world and all other players combined, grinding the whole thing to a halt.

[heavy dawn]

Oh right! Since they took rifts off the market they went back up.

[covert linden]

this person thinks that the ps2vr is better than a pc

sorry sorry meant to say quest*

definately didnt type playstation 2 vr on purpose... or anything..

[mighty nest]

jebaited

[ruby burrow]

I'm trying my best to assume he just got fed up of the debate and is simply trolling now.

[heavy dawn]

verified scumbag

[covert linden]

new plan let this guy get a quest because he seems too toxic for desktop

[ruby burrow]

Trying to give him that much credit.

[vocal shard]

am sorry for being rude

[covert linden]

brb im gonna hook up my wmr to my ps2

[languid beacon]

All existing worlds and avatars are PC only unless updated with an android build to send android users. You do not need to modify or “downgrade” the PC versions. People are not understanding this. If I as a PC user see your “quest ready” avatars as lowpoly, you did it wrong.

[covert linden]

ah awesome.. spyro year of the dragon in vr.. dream come true!

[ruby burrow]

I think everyone talking here right now does understand that Ade.

[covert linden]

^

[ruby burrow]

No ones said anything contrary to that for a while now.

[languid beacon]

Erm, maybe, I just keep seeing talk of people not wanting to lower player counts

[covert linden]

player count isnt poly count

[ruby burrow]

I was talking about people bypassing the SDK limits to try and force full quality avatars onto Quest.

Because we all know how rampant that's already been in the past even on PC.

[covert linden]

YIKES

[ruby burrow]

And how easy it's been

[languid beacon]

I suspect that they will build SDK enforcement into quest client and just not load that content

[mighty nest]

I'm guessing crashing a quest client is gonna be a whole lot easier than it is on pc

[vocal shard]

i will just get a refunder to refund my quest or something

[ruby burrow]

Perhaps. They've always been incredibly lax with it in the past though. The game is famously easy to cheat on that stuff.

[vocal shard]

i can use vrchat desktop mode and crash everyone using vr

[covert linden]

u havent even played vrchat

[vocal shard]

no, i havent

[languid beacon]

Quest platform I suspect won’t see as much hacking, as long as the client has good protection and sanity checks to not render SDK-modified content, it should be ok

[ruby burrow]

There's client side limits that prevent you loading loading stuff on PC also, and those can still be bypassed very easily.

[meager solstice]

True I think that is where the avatar stats comes in on the system side, it’ll check the model and boom if ur on the quest it’ll be just make that guy appear as a default model

[covert linden]

ive listened to 50 minutes of animal crossing music so far.. sad when I run out

[vocal shard]

also everyone who said they will hack vrchat and crash quest users, i have reported you. BE WARNED.

[covert linden]

nobody said they will do that?

ACtually YOU said that

WallyToday at 10:38 AM
i can use vrchat desktop mode and crash everyone using vr
So perhaps I can report you for that : )

[meager solstice]

oof gonna have to report himself

[covert linden]

Because we were all wondering how theyll impliment a way to prevent it, but you my sir made an actual threat : O oh dear..

[ornate finch]

Just a dead RappyToday at 7:53 AM
rofl why is this conversation continuing
WallyToday at 7:53 AM
better screen than rift
Just a dead RappyToday at 7:53 AM
i'm spotting wally

[ruby burrow]

One of the things that prevented various forms of crashing before, was that the unblockable methods would also crash the user. The separate platform publishing will change some of that.

@vocal shard No one here has said they're going to crash Quest users. >_>

[languid beacon]

They also need to simply flat out not load an avatar at all if it disabled read/write in import options

[ruby burrow]

I'm saying that others might.

[vocal shard]

users such as sqish and writwr3 and r will be banned

[ruby burrow]

<_>

[languid beacon]

Wally lay off the lead paint chips

[woven steppe]

Let's be honest... people who would get a quest probably already has a PC already... and they'd just get the quest not because it's better or anything, but because IT exists.

[heavy dawn]

^ or for something more portable

[vocal shard]

yeah

[heavy dawn]

Like you can bring it to a friend's place and have some VR fun.

[ruby burrow]

Oculus marketing has certainly worked well at least.

[languid beacon]

I disagree. Most Quest users won’t have a PC. At least not a gaming PC.

[ornate finch]

why get a pc when you can get a quest

[woven steppe]

It's like people who buy a $5,000 watch... when they already have a phone that tells them the time...

[ruby burrow]

Why get a car when you can get a push bike.

[covert linden]

@vocal shard I will report you then for threatening to crash people because you flatout said you would

[woven steppe]

My car also tells me the time... and I can ride it...

I can't ride my watch...

[languid beacon]

The Quest is specifically targeted at people who don not have a gaming PC

[ornate finch]

just sell your pc and get a quest problem solved

[vocal shard]

I don't have time to ride my watch.

[inner cape]

plug into a potato and play

[vocal shard]

i apologise for my behaviour and ask everyone that they can find it within themselves to forgive me for my rude behaviour towards everyone on the server and that they please dont report me

i promise i will never act this way again

[inner cape]

I don't know what you did but I'm reporting anyway

👏

[graceful timber]

Is anyone else constantly getting sent home?

[languid beacon]

[woven steppe]

Go home you're drunk

[vocal shard]

yeah i shat myself in class 3 days in a row and i kept getting sent home

[inner cape]

🤔

[vocal shard]

they said if i keep doing it they will move me to special classes, fuck my life

[ornate finch]

just buy a quest to escape from life in that case

[woven steppe]

I'm surprised at them targeting the quest at people who don't have a PC (or at least a powerful PC)

[vocal shard]

honestly this isnt even a joke anymore i cant help it if i have rectal issues and im not fucking special just let me go to the toilet

stupid bitch teacher

[covert linden]

Uuuh

[vocal shard]

this shit wouldnt fucking happen i have a fucking note from the doctors just let me go to the toilet why wont you fucking listen

[ornate finch]

we can conduct therapy with the oculus quest wally don't worry

[covert linden]

[languid beacon]

I keep getting crappy computer analogies. potato computer, plywood computer, cardboard computer, toaster

[ruby burrow]

Well at least you will be able to use your Quest whilst sitting on the toilet then. ._.

[vocal shard]

its so fucking humiliating people keep throwing rubbish at me all the time

[languid beacon]

Is a cardboard computer lower quality than a plywood computer

[ruby burrow]

Probably.

[languid beacon]

Is a potato worse than a toaster

[woven steppe]

I can eat a potato... but not a toaster

And If I turn the potato into alcohol... I can set it on fire and it will make toast...

So I guess the Potato is more useful and versatile than a toaster

[ruby burrow]

I'd call it a sidegrade.

Toaster is tethered to the wall. Potato is mobile.

[woven steppe]

unless the potato is still in the ground

[graceful timber]

Squishy is pretty

Pretty ugly oOOOOOhh!

[umbral reef]

Well thats not nice to say

[graceful timber]

Jk

Idk what she looks like anyway. Even if i did i dont judge people by their looks so :shru

[vocal shard]

not supporting that statement but im not against it either

also he is a he

[umbral reef]

Squishy is top tier waifu --

[vocal shard]

has there ever been a real female with a female anime avatar

[umbral reef]

Nah real females are a myth- Just like unicorns

[ornate finch]

^what dad said

[vocal shard]

thinking of getting labo vr

[ornate finch]

wait shit no unicorns are real

[ruby burrow]

Wait wah? D:

[ornate finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu2DcHzokew

[ruby burrow]

So cruel. https://i.imgur.com/3zyRsc5.jpg

[vocal shard]

every single anime girl avatar has an ugly overweight dude behind it, remember that

[ornate finch]

wrong it's a magical unicorn

lies and slander

[woven steppe]

I know we've already talked about how the hell her skull can accommodate that eyeball... Still makes me think whenever my mind wanders in that direction.

[ruby burrow]

I'm going to need to find some low poly hands.

[vocal shard]

slander is spoken, in print its libel

[ruby burrow]

I can't get my current hands under 2.5k without mangling them into a state that wont bend.

[woven steppe]

build new hands

[ruby burrow]

Regarding the eyeball, I do all my thinking via "cloud computing" so to speak.

There's this weirdo in separate reality that does my thinking for me.

[languid beacon]

Hexagonal prism fingers. 2 Edge loops between digits.

It looks fine

[ruby burrow]

I know it can be done and look fine. I'm just saying that my current MMD hands are not going to be possible to reduce down.

[languid beacon]

Yeah reduction is a dead end, better to rebuild

Better results for the low poly

Build over the old model and then project UV

[woven steppe]

you could manually reconfigure each vertex via vertex slide so you can eliminate more of them if you really don't want to make new ones

[vocal shard]

Hi

[ruby burrow]

Never heard of either of those techniques. ^ ^;
I'm very noob when it comes to Blender.

[languid beacon]

Sometimes the topology makes reduction very difficult especially if you had already decimated it in the past unsubdivide will no longer work at all

A nice clean model that made with quads is ideal

[ornate finch]

tris to quads does a pretty good job assuming you didn't already butcher the model

[languid beacon]

Oh UV projection you have two similarly shaped meshes inside each other you project a “light source” from inside the mesh that shines though the UV data and casts its UV data on the other mesh

Not actually a light source but that’s the idea

[ornate finch]

yeah that's basically baking

[languid beacon]

Wouldn’t be the first time the guy I learned blender from taught me the wrong term for things

[ornate finch]

http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/Texture_Baking

technically sliding verts and removing doubles should distort and ruin the uvs

so fair warning in that regard

dissolve generally retains uvs properly

[ruby burrow]

My current experiment is mainly to see if it's possible for me to retain most of the quality of my head, with blendshapes in tact, and put it on something at least vaguely resembling my body.

Having working hands is a stretch goal I guess.

[ornate finch]

really the blendshapes should just be redone assuming the original had a significant amount of verts to begin with

but assuming you wanted to retain it you mostly just wanna delete unnecessary loops

[ruby burrow]

I can't see myself re-doing all the blend shapes.

Is either going to be a lazy decimated version with all features destroyed like Jaime's joke video, or I'm going to have as close as possible to my existing head on whatever I can fit it on.

[ornate finch]

you really shouldn't need that many blend shapes for the quest i would imagine

issue is the blendshapes are bound to have clipping issues when enough vertices are removed or moved
or they simply won't line up properly

this can be manually corrected though to be fair

[ruby burrow]

Well I'm not going to be playing on Quest. If I was I'd put the time and effort into something better done.

[ornate finch]

🤷

[ruby burrow]

I'm just a PC player who would prefer to still be visible and not a grey robot

Have got dozens of other projects competing for the time.

[languid beacon]

My original kitbash before it was meant for VRChat was 230K, I got it down to 32K without any real sacrifices, but 5K will be impossible. Will be making a low poly version from scratch.

[ornate finch]

cool

[ruby burrow]

I wonder if the actual poly limit will be 5k, or whether it will be like 5k ideal 10k max.

Stuck with 262 polys left to get rid of, and picking at scraps now. xD

[languid beacon]

I predict above 10k will be blocked from upload SDK, like the original recommended 10K but up to 20k could upload

But I’m just gonna target exactly 5K since I target 32k on windows

[heavy dawn]

Most of my models are actually <10k these days. Getting better at spending polys on parts that make a difference to the appearance instead of flat spaces.

[languid beacon]

In wonder if the android build of an avatar should be reflected in its over all rank? How will I know that some public avatar I found is not secretly an android lag bomb?

[ruby burrow]

My old avatar was an 18k MMD model out of the box, which was nice.

My current main one is 37k, which is good enough. Whilst it could certainly be lower, I'd need to learn re-topology to improve it.

And the difference doesn't feel worth it in terms of actual performance Impact.

[velvet quarry]

Never underestimate the power of some good normal maps.
Tessellation is also a good trick, though that won't work on the quest side of things.

[ornate finch]

it really isn't worth concerning yourself with polycount too much below 70k

for PC atleast

[ruby burrow]

For every other factor it would fit into the excellent category if I turned the 16 Dy-bones off.

[languid beacon]

I noticed a big improvement when I went from 70k to 32k

That’s one less avatar in the room at all times

[ornate finch]

issue is when people disregard polycount entirely and upload avatars with a ridiculous amount

[languid beacon]

That never effects me, I’m quick to block modded SDK uploaders

[woven steppe]

that's not exactly one avatar less tho... because for it to be one avatar less you have to remove everything that sort of makes your avatar actually perform as an avatar

[covert linden]

^

maybe their model is only 32k polys, no material, no bones, and just is an image

[ornate finch]

draw calls and overdraw probably causes more performance loss which is influenced by the shader

also worth noting if you have a significant amount of geometry around the head bone it might cause performance loss
from the process of collapsing or "culling" the geometry for the first person view

[woven steppe]

a 32k poly image... how?

[covert linden]

its a very rounded image

[heavy dawn]

32k triangle plane

[woven steppe]

"significant amount of geometry around the head"

You mean hair?

[ornate finch]

so to my knowledge geometry is collapsed based upon anything weighted to the head bone and anything that is a child of the head bone

so yeah hair could count

i'm not entirely sure what "exactly" affects the performance loss but it varys

but i know the end result of* it can causes significant loss

for the GPU

[woven steppe]

Well there goes pompadours and afros... and any other big hair, especially ones that require DB physics.

[ornate finch]

well you can still do it just be aware that can affect performance

[covert linden]

its oki I only have 200

[woven steppe]

I have like 3500 poly hair...

[ornate finch]

if you ever wanna test this yourself simply move the verts weighted to the head and any child bone away from the bones

so basically position the head/neck/hair geometry down near the hip or w/e away from the bones influencing them*

[languid beacon]

I’m guessing a 128 x 128 mesh grid (16K quads) triangulated (32k tris)

to which I say : y tho

Fyi First person head is not culled from view. Head bone is scaled to zero locally. It’s all there. Just scaled to a point

[ornate finch]

yeah i'm aware* hence i phrased it as "culling"

to make it easier to understand in a sense

[languid beacon]

I still don’t understand what exactly vrc mirrors are doing

[woven steppe]

Oh god damn it... My noggin finally figured out where I saw "Rappy" before...

Immediately reminded of the dead SEA PSO2 server...

[ornate finch]

wow a filthy sea player

:^)

[languid beacon]

I just thought it was Ganymede Overwatch

[woven steppe]

I couldn't figure out how to throw money at the JPN server

[ornate finch]

nevermind it is just head bone scaled downwards regardless it causes performance issues

was mistaken* for something else being at play

on that note geometry close to the center of collapse probably causes some performance loss

[woven steppe]

so all the head is shrunk to a singularity for the person in the avatar...

[languid beacon]

Yup

Only when camera is near head

[velvet quarry]

It used to cause a rather "fun" bug in worlds with bloom, where a bone scaled to 0 became a literal blinding sun, combine that with fullbody tracking and the viewposition not sticking to the head bone all that much.
my eyes still haven't entirely recovered :v

[languid beacon]

You can easily spot this using holoport, make your avatar stand next to you and slowly bring it closer. At a certain point it’s head will shrink to a point

[iron thunder]

Can anyone help me find a map with a coffin in it? Extra points if I can hide in it. No reason.

[ornate finch]

actually the head bone has some sort of additional check i believe for some sort of collision with a sphere i believe

otherwise the fact that the head is unaffected by scale* after being moved away from the head bone is illogical

[languid beacon]

It’s not moved it’s just scaled down. And yes there is a distance check for camera to head for if it should be at 0 scale or not

[lapis rain]

Why did they take the Tokyo ghoul worlds down they were so awesome ;___;

[ornate finch]

i should elaborate i was referencing my test of only moving the verts away from the head bone

[grizzled cloak]

hmm, someone almost crashed my pc

[covert linden]

tell them not too

[grizzled cloak]

dang thats next level iq plays

[covert linden]

LOL

[grizzled cloak]

well doesnt matter if it didnt crash since any program doesnt open and this shit lagging

have to reboot still

[vocal shard]

Is there a way to make an API request to see how many hours ive spent on my account?

[languid beacon]

If you only have played on steam you can check your steam stats

[vocal shard]

Ive played on two different accounts on steam

but with 1 vrchat account which is why i was asking

[languid beacon]

Ah well I’m sure it’s logged but no idea if there’s an api call for it

[vocal shard]

oof

[languid beacon]

Try [e-mail] and just ask what your hours are? They might just tell you

If it’s about rank, play time is a poor metric and doesn’t correlate very strongly that much with rank

[vocal shard]

It's not, im already trusted, i was just genuinely curious how much of my life ive wasted on this game lol

[umbral reef]

The answer is always not enough

[twin needle]

hi guys

[mighty nest]

I don't know how some of you people put so many hours in, especially for a social game. Not saying it's a bad thing, but over 1k is impressive

[vocal shard]

Im at atleast 900 hours

It's mainly due to being a creator, and being part of groups

[mighty nest]

Desktop vrc open in the background while working in programs ?

[vocal shard]

Usually i do that around friends and listen to their convos

Occasionally chiming in, but otherwise, my time is pretty legit

[cobalt tartan]

hello

[mighty nest]

I guess you can psudo afk. Wonder if there is a distiction between headset vrc time and desktop vrc time

Spending 1k hours in VR is pretty insane

[cobalt tartan]

ogg||a boog||a

[vocal shard]

atleast half of my hours are in vr

[twin needle]

i only have 12 hours in vr

[rigid crescent]

I'm almost at 3k :3

[vocal shard]

That was before i started creating avatars and stuff

[mighty nest]

3k hours of just chillin

[rigid crescent]

2.8k I think

[vocal shard]

I used to world hop with friends and stuff

[ruby burrow]

I'm at 1000k VR hours for VR-Chat now.

[vocal shard]

Sadly nobody does that anymore cause they're too busy staring at fookin mirrors

[velvet quarry]

@ruby burrow 114 years is indeed an impressive playtime.

[grizzled cloak]

LIKE BOIS bois, is it gay to make out with other +20 male's for like 10 minutes and just listen others breathing and kissing?

or like is that normal for you guys

[vocal shard]

That's vrchat in a nutshell

[grizzled cloak]

like this one guy has his mic on all the time right

he's breathing into his mic and then some times he just kisses and whispers something random

[mighty nest]

Public lobby?

[grizzled cloak]

yeah

[vocal shard]

I went into the pug this one time, and there was a bunch of people dancing infront of a mirror, and i have my safety settings on, so i didnt hear the music, and i heard them all grunting into their mics, with no music, while dancing, and it was hillarious

[grizzled cloak]

The Great Pug 92727 feel free to come and check this out 2nd floor :D

wtf they ran off

did they finally get a room

[vocal shard]

Oof

[mighty nest]

The couple hours or so I spent I vrc was sitting in a stall at the pub listening to the strangest conversations

[grizzled cloak]

fuck i watched off screen and i didnt see where they went

[vocal shard]

I'll join you in a second

need to show my friend my newaged knuckles

[grizzled cloak]

monkaS banned or then they left like in a real hurry

[ruby burrow]

Oh, lol...

[grizzled cloak]

now their friend came and asked where they went :(

[ruby burrow]

Oops.

[vocal shard]

I cant join you, that server isnt on my list

sorry

[grizzled cloak]

yeah it's full

but i want to know what happened to the 2 guys making out ;D

did they leave their third friend behind or

[vocal shard]

Im actually kinda irritated, cause the game only shows me 5-6 servers at once, and doesnt add any more

so i cant join people sometmes

I remember seeing like, hundreds of different servers

now it's just like 5 or 6

[mossy ice]

yooo anyone wanna play some vrchat?

[grizzled cloak]

VrChat? more like makeout chat * explosion *

what the heck! something happened and everyone stopped

[primal oak]

VRChat ≜ Mirror Simulator

[grizzled cloak]

im actually sitting infront of a mirror right now!

[languid beacon]

I easily have over 1000 I don’t see how it’s very hard, I find it more constructive than playing actual video games at least I’m being social even if it’s in vr instead of at a real life bar. In fact in my opinion it’s more social people don’t normally talk to absolute strangers irl

Mirror Simulator is still an upgrade. I came from Second Life. It’s dismissive name is Standing Simulator.

[rigid crescent]

Yeah irl you can't just chime in on random conversations but that's a part of internet culture as far back as forums and stuff like that

Chat rooms, forums, irc, etc

[fathom bolt]

how about headpat simulator

[hidden lake]

I only have around 60 hours in the game

It's fun but I can't spend my whole life in there

Plus I have many many other VR games I play

[polar elm]

I don’t think you are supposed to

[hidden lake]

I think too many people do

[polar elm]

They do but it seems like a lot of afk time honestly. Like most people are waiting for someone

[hidden lake]

Like god

Sleeping in VR is just too much

[polar elm]

You have to try that at least once

[hidden lake]

Not worth full body trackers

[polar elm]

Fbt makes it different

Yes they are over priced but only one company sells them

(Monopoly)

[hidden lake]

I'm still very light on how much time I spend in the game

[polar elm]

Games very diverse with a lot of different community. Once you find your niche you’ll be hard pressed to leave

[hidden lake]

It's not that I don't enjoy the community

I have my niche, I understand the feeling

But i don't think that excuses self moderation

I'm sincerely concerned about people who spend their whole day in VR just to escape reality and what social problems they may not be facing because they're using VR as escapism

[grizzled cloak]

there's this one kinda somewhat known guy always streaming when they sleep in vr

every day

[hidden lake]

The whole prospect of sleeping in vr just scares me

[grizzled cloak]

like you just hear the guy snoring

[hidden lake]

Not with how other users would see me but forcing such a vital aspect of my life into my social life is scary

[grizzled cloak]

there's like +6 guys laying down in a room sleeping

mimi_vr

[polar elm]

Sounds a lot like the movie the Truman show

[hidden lake]

LOL

[ruby burrow]

My only real qualm with sleeping in VR is that I don't want to damage the headset.

[grizzled cloak]

yeah, i totally can see myself sleeping in VR but maybe only once

[mighty nest]

Whats the longest session you all have been in vr ?

[grizzled cloak]

2 minutes

[ruby burrow]

I enjoy lounging, but have only ever legitimately slept in VR once by accident.

[languid beacon]

9 hours

[ruby burrow]

12 or 14 hours. Not entirely sure.

[grizzled cloak]

i was in a indrusty thingy expo and they had a VR demo show

so it was ~2 minutes

[ruby burrow]

Heh

[languid beacon]

If bathroom and food breaks don’t count then just all day

[ruby burrow]

It would be nice to have a headset that was able to lay against a pillow comfortably without experiencing some twist, or risking damage to the headphones.

But it's not a priority. ^ ^;

[languid beacon]

Oculus works pretty good laying on back of head

[tribal orbit]

Wmr is a pain just to use normally

[languid beacon]

I watch movies in couch just laying sideways looking at ceiling very relaxing and lazy lol

[ruby burrow]

Back of the head is fine on anything. It's the side that's the issue.

A default Vive strap works well since you can just use earbuds and there's nothing jutting out the side. But I'm not going to swap my strap just for that obviously.

[mighty nest]

Wasn't netflix one of the things you could do early with vr? Like a virtual couch

Although I think I tried that with the gear

Lay in bed and look straight up at a video screen

[languid beacon]

I typically just use oculus dash with a monitor display since you can drag rotate and resize it anywhere

[ruby burrow]

The integrated headphones on a Rift or Vive deluxe strap just seem to vulnerable to put weight on whilst not fully conscious.

Steam_VR really needs to upgrade to something like that.

[languid beacon]

Oh yeah absolutely no laying on side on rift

But that’s a problem with headphones in general

[ruby burrow]

The current static window behaving like a giant monitor is functional enough for just getting you into games and adjusting settings, but it's not really a true VR interface at all.

[languid beacon]

Yeah oculus dash is what sold me on picking Rift

[ruby burrow]

I wonder if the Index headphones will snap off to detach, or how easy it would be if so.

Something like that could sort of work.

[languid beacon]

Does the Index even include headphones

I didn’t know

[ruby burrow]

Yeah. It's in all the pictures.

[languid beacon]

I’m observant thanks

[ruby burrow]

The images so far make them look like an open back design. Which is curious.

[languid beacon]

I just hope it’s available soon. I need working base stations

[ruby burrow]

Ships June 14th, far as I recall.

[polar elm]

I just want to wonder free in a open field with vr on

[ruby burrow]

Official date from Valve, but subject to change.

[languid beacon]

I’m getting a full Index set instead of buying two base stations for full body right now

[ruby burrow]

I hope the headphones are as comfy as the deluxe strap ones.

@polar elm Be aware that no tracking solutions can quite do that just yet. To wander a wide space you would need contrasting objects for the tracking to orient on.

Grass and sky won't be enough.

[polar elm]

Wmr plus a backpack laptop

?

[ruby burrow]

No, the the reasons I just stated.

It won't have enough clarity to track. Not in a typical field anyway. Also objects moving in the breeze would throw it off.

[vocal shard]

Anyone know why i cant favorite Avatars suddenly?

[languid beacon]

Grass should be ok with positional tracking but it would have to be day time and walking around outside in the grass while basically blind to the real world is a very bad idea

[ruby burrow]

To wander a wide area, you'd need something more like a court with painted lines, such as those demo'd in the Quest expo.

[light river]

that sounds like you’re asking to step in dog shit

[languid beacon]

And having a vr headset outside during the day in general is a TERRIBLE idea unless you feel like burning your screens from sunlight

[ruby burrow]

I was under the impression that grass is too chaotic and too awkward a surface. Changes drastically even from a slightly different angle.

[languid beacon]

Multiple cameras can understand depth

Any tracked points should be accurate

[ruby burrow]

Hmm. Still sceptical but haven't got anything else much to argue on.

Am under the impression that the cameras aren't precise enough to track individual blades of evenly coloured grass.

Any breeze again, would also ruin it.

[languid beacon]

Yeah we won’t know until someone feels like stepping in dog shit, then tripping headset flying off face down and getting cooked by the sun. Then we can ask them if it tracked ok

[ruby burrow]

The other issue would be that the Sun would glare out the controller leds.

[languid beacon]

Hm tv remotes work outside

[ruby burrow]

And WMR also has a limited range of how much it will map doesn't it? I think that's supposed to be one special feature for the Quest.

I feel like I've heard that WMR can be disrupted by too much sun coming through a window. (Also by being in a pitch black room)

One upsets the controllers, whilst the other upsets the headset.

[languid beacon]

I can also imagine the upward/sideways facing cameras getting sun damage

[ruby burrow]

Maybe, but I don't know cameras too well. Plenty of other regular cameras seem to survive the sun just fine, but they're probably designed expecting it.

[fathom bolt]

to respond to that what's your longest session... like 5 days 24h. feels bad xD

[languid beacon]

Headset?

[fathom bolt]

vr and full body. and I do it frequently when RL allows me to do so.

[languid beacon]

I just mean which headset

[fathom bolt]

vive pro

[languid beacon]

Interesting! Always curious what stuff people use for long sessions

I don’t get many wmr people saying they marathon

[fathom bolt]

not many get the time to do so. I mean I basically live in VRC. 50% of my 7*24h time per week.

there's a good amount of sleep included and the rest is work. Sure that is not for everyone.

[ruby burrow]

Slightly concerning, but interesting nonetheless.

[languid beacon]

Yeah id be on a lot more if I wasn’t always fiddling in blender and unity

Once I get to a point where I stop tweeking my avatar I can actually enjoy vrc proper

[mighty nest]

I guess getting bored in vrc is difficult to do lol. I have a hard time playing a single game for multiple hours at a time. Have to change it up after an hour or so

[still lark]

What if that's never Adeon?! D:

[mighty nest]

Then again, I don't have a vr headset so that might be the reason

[languid beacon]

Social games are different than regular games to me. If I spend all day on a game I feel like I kind of wasted time. Vrc never feels like a waste of time

It feels like I went out for the evening

[mighty nest]

Thats an interesting way to think of it

[still lark]

Feels wasted when you just sit there in front of a mirror doing both

[fathom bolt]

same. I'm pretty sure I will not regret that spent time later. The emotions and interactions are real enough. Would I ever care if that is in vr or not? i don't think so. These are nice memories.

[languid beacon]

Not if I’m talking to someone

[ruby burrow]

It depends entirely on the person. Some get bored of VRC easily, whilst for others it becomes a core aspect of the life.

When 20k concurrent players initially turned up for the knuckles meme, 75% of those people left within two months.

[grizzled cloak]

i am sitting infront of a mirror right now

i just listen to others, i never speak

[ruby burrow]

The remaining quarter got something from the game that the others didn't.

[neon flume]

I am a part of the 25%! 👋

[ruby burrow]

Same.

[umbral reef]

I'm part of the 0%
Who played before it. Got too buddy during the boom and now barely has type to play :c

[ruby burrow]

Though I feel compelled to state that I came because the meme informed me that the game existed, not because of the meme itself. ^ ^;

[covert linden]

Im part of the 0% too, joined after it

[umbral reef]

Instead of a vrc life I have a real life now. That wasn't what I signed up for >:[

[languid beacon]

I live in Phoenix. Ask me if I want to socialize on a cool oasis wannabe where I can teleport to new places in seconds and turn into almost anything

Or so I want to go out in 120 F weather and hang out in a sweaty bar with people who don’t know what a computer is

[grizzled cloak]

i dont understand how i can sound so stupid while speaking

[neon flume]

I'm a little disappointed that I initially joined because of the meme but that definitely didn't keep me, only stuck around for a few minutes on that first day. Took a month until I got my own vr headset to really click with the game.

[ruby burrow]

Technically I came well after the meme had subsided, but that's only because it took me 6 months to convince myself that I could afford a headset.

Whilst sitting on three grand in the bank pretending I can't afford anything nice.

[vocal shard]

UwU

[languid beacon]

Technically I joined because of that dude that had a seizure in full body. More so the fact that it made realize a game could do full body

[ruby burrow]

"people who don’t know what a computer is"
Gotta love that crowd.

[fathom bolt]

I totally missed the meme. or let's say it has scared me more than getting me into vrc. I joined it later caus I thought: hey this could actually help with my anxiety issues. and it did very well.

[covert linden]

I joined becausee I learned I could loook like an anime girl

[neon flume]

yikes, seeing fbt for the first time was pretty mind blowing though. People with it just seemed so real.

[umbral reef]

Also while we are at it.
Add me on vrchat, names Oclac there

[covert linden]

I love desktop just ad much as vr, but vr freaks me out because rveryone looks.. wide..

[mighty nest]

Thats something that seems unique to vrc... so many anime girls

[ruby burrow]

I once dared to just be honest and tried to describe my VR hobby to a co-worker, when they asked what I do for fun.
They responded by telling me they don't know much about video games, but have really gotten into Clash of Clans lately.

<_>

[umbral reef]

It's a start I guess

[ruby burrow]

Wait, people look wide? ^ ^;

Are you sure your resolution is correct?

[covert linden]

To me yes, maybe its wmrs resolution but their avatars to me, look wide

Everything else normal

[ornate finch]

🤔

[covert linden]

Also it might just be my bf he has a weird avatar, cant recall if I thought all were wide

[ornate finch]

are you referring to the perception of increased FOV?

[neon flume]

Maybe the ratio on desktop is a little off? That's really strange, do squares look square to you on your monitor?

[covert linden]

No, avatars, look wide

[ruby burrow]

Buy WMR for extra thicc then I guess.

[languid beacon]

If vr looks stretched something sounds wrong

[covert linden]

Everything else looks normal, I cant recall though it could be just my boyfriend

Hiis avatar isnt the typical mmd afterall

[neon flume]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/square#/media/File:Square_-_black_simple.svg
Is the width of this box the same as its height on your monitor?

[covert linden]

Im speaking in wmr what does my monitor have to do with this

My laptops screen can show squares perfectly fine..

Everyone looks normal in desktop mode

[pearl tree]

Hi 😄

[vocal shard]

get the oculus quest its better

[fathom bolt]

troll? xD

[umbral reef]

Wheezing

[languid beacon]

Vr should look the same ratio as your monitor, just seeing more of the world at once since it’s all around you

[covert linden]

I lookee back at the images and his head is considerbaly bigger

[neon flume]

Haha idk, just wondering because I don't know of any way to adjust the ratio in the headset but you can on a desktop. I was just idly guessing that maybe the ratio was weird on the desktop. Sorry I don't mean it accusingly; it's just strange that things in vr would seem wide while on desktop look fine 😅

[languid beacon]

Does it look that way in photos or does it look that way WHILE in vr?

[covert linden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/537679661270958100/560685553834786846/VRChat_1920x1080_2019-03-28_00-30-11.641.png

[languid beacon]

Also you aren’t taking verticals videos with the camera are you? That’s a very wide angle camera, if held sideways it will be distorted unlike turning a phone camera

[covert linden]

Both, I dont notice how wide it is though until im in vr, like not stretched, just big

The image is sideways but my.models beside that in comparrison

[languid beacon]

Yes the photo camera is not meant to take vertical pictures it will be heavily distorted

Unlike a photo camera on a smartphone it does not zoom in when held sideways so you get a super tall angle photo which will look funky

[heavy dawn]

My avatar is a while lot wider 🤣

Like, unintentionally.

[grizzled cloak]

[heavy dawn]

I guess I modelled in non-perspective mode... isometric? Yeah.

[languid beacon]

Don’t hold photo camera sideways and your pictures won’t look distorted

[heavy dawn]

Oh! I can blame it on the camera! Right! takes notes

[languid beacon]

Now I want to see your avatar

[covert linden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/537679661270958100/554328746165927967/VRChat_1920x1080_2019-03-09_20-14-40.481.png

Here is a not distorted one then

Ill check a square next.time im on my laptop but last I checked squares looked like squares

[languid beacon]

Ah you are off to the side though

[covert linden]

Yeaaah

[languid beacon]

That will distort

Just like the emote

Put subject in center of frame

It’s a very wide angle camera

[covert linden]

Im not on rn

[languid beacon]

I’m just saying that’s why it looks like that

Try to keep faces near the center of frame

[covert linden]

Its only in vr it loooks wide to me, images were just for head comparrison

[languid beacon]

Hm not sure why you are seeing that. Everything in my rift looks perfectly volumetric and non-distorted

[covert linden]

I have to go back and see if its all avatars or just him

Because the worlds I recall looking normal

[languid beacon]

Should still look the same as desktop except you have depth perception

[neon flume]

Maybe it's something to do with IPD? I'm not sure, VR has always felt just as normal as real life.

[languid beacon]

Ipd basically changes z layer depth in your mind. Like a wireframe cube can look too long or shallow unless set to your actual IPD

[covert linden]

Theres no ipd change in wmr

[languid beacon]

Rip

[neon flume]

My condolences 😓

[covert linden]

I do have depth perception problems irl if that accounts for anythint

As in like I cant really see depth much

[ruby burrow]

Relatable. https://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/997/149/0a7.jpg

Hmm. That would explain the headaches you mention also probably.

[covert linden]

Ah okay, thought it could be due to a lowish fps

I usually just take some meds before I enter the game and im fine

[ruby burrow]

And I guess now we know what to expect from new users when the Rift-S arrives.

Low FPS could also be factor of course yeah.

[umbral reef]

Actually you just see a different type of debt when one eyed....
I speak from experience

[covert linden]

I have two eyes

[ruby burrow]

You've had to wear an eye patch for an extended duration Oclas... or?

[umbral reef]

Debt = depth

[ruby burrow]

I figured. : P

[umbral reef]

Ow no I got born 99.9% blind with one eye
Can't even see shapes with it

[covert linden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539842993797070860/565994703884124180/Screenshot_20190411-162038_Chrome.jpg

Bottom part says otherwise

[ruby burrow]

Damn. 😦

[languid beacon]

I could never see depth in 3D movies (red/blue glasses or polarized, neither worked) and Nintendo 3DS screens and 3D TVs didn’t pop out either. So for a long while I just assumed it was a gimmick and was totally ignorable. Until I wore an Rift and it was the first time faux 3D ever worked for me it’s super convincing and real don’t know what they do differently

[umbral reef]

Don't know better, I can drive, I footballed, can use vr
Only thing that won't work is movie 3d and some optical illusion ;p

[ruby burrow]

That image caption is being overly absolute Rae.

[covert linden]

Ah okay

[ruby burrow]

It's true that two or more eyes is required for optimum depth perception, but there are other methods that can provide differing degrees of it.

[umbral reef]

Shading, occuring, perspective, size familiarities. All ways to see a way of depth.

[fathom bolt]

difference for vr and red/blue, polarized or shutter glasses is that the other technologies project the image to the same area and use filters to hide one of the images for one eye. the preception of the wavelenght of the light could be different and cause these filters to not work properly. in vr it's just one display with a different image for each eye

[umbral reef]

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bd3e95c79d40d5a4eb7a76c9f3fbde68

[covert linden]

Im not sure if I have exact problems with it, just like for example if im on one end and somethings far, to me it looks much closer than it actually is, and everything kinda medhed together on the same plane

[languid beacon]

Depth perception does not require two eyes. Motion Parallax and depth of field focus also generate depth in the human brain and can help make up for a missing or damaged eye

[ruby burrow]

3D movies and VR 3D are massively different. Not remotely comparable, so it's not just you.

[covert linden]

Oclac what am I suppose to see with that img?

Thre people in behind look the same closeness, side by side, then the two front people look side by side

[ruby burrow]

One uses true stereo vision, whilst the other uses weak optical illusions.

[fathom bolt]

this

[languid beacon]

To people with working barnocular vision these effects don’t contribute much to depth perception because they don’t need to

[grizzled cloak]

Dab

[umbral reef]

@covert linden that's exactly the thing. They are on the same 'plane' but are on different depth.
You know what's more close and further without seeing it 3d

[fathom bolt]

well technically your not supposed to see the other image with a polarization filter. So I would not call that an illusion. It should filter the light completely

[umbral reef]

You should be able to tell if the guy or girls or dog is in front and who's in the back.

[covert linden]

@umbral reef I can only tell that the two are side by side, then the bqck three are all side by side

[ruby burrow]

True. Wrong phrase I guess. But I've never found "3D" movies or TV's convincing.

[fathom bolt]

it definitely pops out less. There was just one exception and that cinema used expensive shutter glasses.

[languid beacon]

But when someone loses an eye or an eye is very useless, the brain kind of re-wires to rely on motion parallax and focus cues to actually see depth again and they do actually see the depth

[ruby burrow]

In particular they can't adjust for your own view point, so the perspective is always strange.

[covert linden]

Yknow mirrors that say "things look closer than they appear" thats kinda how it is for me, everything looks "squished" together and close

[umbral reef]

@languid beacon you just improve on taking queues from shadows, occuring, perspectives and size familiarities.

[ruby burrow]

There is an interesting very rarely used technique that uses head tracking to provide a far more convincing 3D image. This ancient 12 year old video demonstrates it quite well. https://youtu.be/Jd3-eiid-Uw

[umbral reef]

I am totally unable to catch a ball of it's falling from the sky in an open field. I can do it if I'm next to a wall for example.

With one I can use those 4 things while with the other I can't. And it's more #general-media

[ruby burrow]

Came out right when the "3D TV" fad was around, and whilst it doesn't offer true stereo vision, it blew everything else out of the water in terms of how well it worked.

Skip to 2:30 if you just want to see it in action.

[languid beacon]

Yeah movie 3d I can tell there is depth variation but it just feels like a stage play, with characters about a foot in front of the background layer

[covert linden]

I cant becauseItll bonk.me in the head

[ruby burrow]

The limitation is that it only works for one person at a time, but it gives almost VR level imitation of depth viewed through a 2D plane.

[covert linden]

For example im omw to work and the building is approx 2 blocks ahead, but to me, feels like I should be getting there much faster than I do, as if its closer. Also as soon as the small hill begins it looks completely 2d

[ruby burrow]

Basically turns your TV into a window into a 3D world.

Weird utterly neglected and super simple tech, that's pretty much never been used. (Far as I'm aware)

[neon flume]

Hmm considering that a lot of phones now have pretty accurate eye/face tracking maybe it could see a comeback on mobile devices? I don't know what actual uses it would have but it would certainly be a neat gimmick.

[ruby burrow]

It really should. I used to have other demo videos of it from a Japanese channel, but those are gone now.

[languid beacon]

Modern phones should be able to just read your eye positions in 3D space using the web cam

[ruby burrow]

They had a really fancy effect where the scene included a faint faux screen glare, so that when the anime girl from the demo "walked out of the screen" there was a visible transition of her passing through the screen.

Mhmm. Face tracking is common tech now. Doable even with cheap webcams.

Imagine if desktop players had that feature for VR-Chat. xD

Would be amazing that you almost could give them headpats through the screen.

I'm actually annoyed that I don't know of any other real world examples of this now. >_>

[fathom bolt]

I mean if someone really wants that stereoeffect there's cardboard and riftcat that makes the smartphone show up in steamvr. it even has pretty good head tracking with compass, gyroscope and accelometer.

you could even use 2 other phones as controllers that show up in steamvr as well.

by using moonlight with nvidias gamestream it has a latency of 10-20ms and is wireless. basically a cheap getho solution

[ruby burrow]

Well that would be bootleg regular VR. This technique would be more like... "Window VR".

And needs only a $5 webcam to function.

Would be Desktop+.

Whilst I don't remotely expect it to ever be a thing, it's just interesting to consider, due to how perfect this game would be for it.

[fathom bolt]

hm you could try and open a canny for it

doesn't sound like that much effort to implement

[livid bane]

Sup y'all

[vocal shard]

I wanted to apologize to everyone after the whole "phiasco" that happened with me. im sorry

so what are you all up too right now? also yeah it would be cool to give people headpats through the screen

[wild delta]

Sup peeps

[livid bane]

I'm getting ready for my DnD session tonight

[wild delta]

Killing the last 30mins of work with some Reddit

[livid bane]

thats a way to work

[wild delta]

#deskjob

[queen mango]

@vocal shard Lots of things have changed here since you last left.

Check #announcements

[livid bane]

oh?

[vocal shard]

so a whole new SDK and stuff? oof i feel like im old already

i just hope none of my stuff gets corrupted since i last played

[wild delta]

I did run into a few broken worlds last night when I was on.

[vocal shard]

BTW I mainly play now adays when a certain "friend" is online, but she recently got grounded about a month ago and hasn't returned since but im glad i came back. Of course I am one of her friends that make the avatars for her, her name is dragonknightlily

but honestly its been al ong time since i last played so i merely almost forgot everything on how to make avatars , oof

[queen mango]

When was your last VRChat play session?

[vocal shard]

A couple of months ago

forgot to mention I kinda have social anxiety

[queen mango]

Hmm.. probably since October I presume?

[vocal shard]

so thats why.. errr and well probably yeah

either that or november

[livid bane]

its ok

[vocal shard]

Oh I remember now it was in december

[queen mango]

Ah.. we're still at 2017.4.15f1, probably not too much to worry about.

[vocal shard]

good

so what are you doing atm

[queen mango]

Bored.. nothing much for me to do.

[reef crag]

I'm semi i stay automatic

add the money then multiply

i call that mathimatimaths

[vocal shard]

see thing is thats not ALL mathematics

theres a whole bunch of other stuff your missing out

what grade are you in?

[reef crag]

20

[vocal shard]

hhmmmm ok....

[reef crag]

6th year at uni

gonna fail atleast 1 moer time 😃

[wild delta]

Well good luck on the next semester 😃

[queen mango]

@reef crag Is that accounting?

[viral knoll]

How do we start using Community Labs worlds?

[boreal hedge]

Check https://medium.com/@vrchat/vrchat-community-labs-73e150ea500f

[hearty frost]

Hello everyone how are all of you doing

😃

[vocal shard]

Im doing gay hbu 😃

[hearty frost]

I’m good thx for asking kinda sore though

[pale quail]

anybody else have vrchat flash back and forth between vr compostor and vrchat whenever it's in focus, with like a 1-2 second lag for everything?

The game performs fine in the background when I'm in the steamvr menu - everything is moving with relatively no latency, but when I exit the menu it just dies.

[safe prism]

are you looking at a mirror

if you are, look far away from the mirror, and open the steamvr menu a few times, it'll stop happening at some point

seems to be related to downscaling/upscaling what mirrors render or something, since the resolution drops hugely when the dashboard is open

[pale quail]

so this is somewhat of a know thing? Seems a bit extreme.

I'll try disabling the mirrors

[safe prism]

if you're looking directly at the mirror, 180 and wait a sec, and that's a good place to try opening the dashboard.

sucks but yeah

it's a thing

[pale quail]

and that solves it for a bit?

it wasn't happening today. Maybe it has to do with having unity and two instances of blender open

maybe I just need more RAM

[safe prism]

well, if it happened while you're looking at a mirror, that'll fix it until it accidentally happens again yeah

but it shouldn't in normal every day use

[quiet swan]

how do you fix the red hologram glitch

[stoic halo]

let me just guess, everyone on vrchat got booted home just now

[tidal canyon]

that was the scariest thing ever

[fluid veldt]

lol

[tidal canyon]

all the homies here

[stoic halo]

heck yeah

$10 its something ruubick did

[fluid veldt]

lol

[fluid veldt]

ah scary

[white saffron]

👀

[stoic halo]

nice vrchat borked again lol

[rancid nova]

i keep getting black screen/sent to home

like every 2 min now lol

[stoic halo]

happening to everyone

[vocal shard]

oof

just when i was gonna try my new easter avatar

[wise mural]

@lofty apex

[lofty apex]

quirky

kinda quirky doe

[tidal onyx]

avoid public avatars and don't even trust your friends if you want to stay safe

[visual island]

how come?

i haven’t gotten on today so i don’t know why we should avoid public avatars and stuff

[mystic hound]

hello

anyone have glasses with a prescription around 4?

[winged igloo]

@tidal onyx lol what? why?

[visual island]

^

that’s what i wanna know as well

[winged igloo]

If it's regarding the message that has been going about regarding a certain website and being able to get malware from in game avatars. This is just scaremongering. Whilst the website in question is not to be trusted for various reasons and has distributed malware and stolen models as downloads on the site, you cannot get malware from avatars in game or by copying them

[tame nimbus]

hey i`m back

[tidal onyx]

@winged igloo ya if you want your avatars not to be ripped rn you should stay away from public instances and also public avatars kinda not sure how much the virus thing true is

[woven steppe]

on avatar topic...

[queen mango]

It's only fearmongering there.

[tidal onyx]

there's a discord with over 100 people and they post daily content and tutorials how to rip already reported lol

[winged igloo]

The viruses on public avatars is 100% not true

[covert linden]

They mean your avatar files being stolen Eret

[winged igloo]

Technical impossibility

[covert linden]

Which is supposedly possible

[tame nimbus]

what

[winged igloo]

Have a digital signature on your own models just in case is my advice, but generally not something to be worried about

[woven steppe]

I mean the risk of avatars getting stolen has been a risk that's been part of the VRC experience for as long as I can remember

[tidal onyx]

well they can get anything on the avatar

but now it's extreme at the moment

seen few gang avatars uploaded on different profiles

[covert linden]

People can get the files which is a bigger deal to some

[tidal onyx]

there's even a shader lab world with ripped only avatars

[queen mango]

What's the name?

[tidal onyx]

Ripper Gang

[winged igloo]

Public worlds are no more dangerous than they have ever been previously. If anything they're safer

[tidal onyx]

reported that yesterday

[winged igloo]

Report individuals to Discord too

[woven steppe]

on avatars... any M87 chan avatars yet?

[covert linden]

Theyre not dangerous in the sense of viruses you can just have your avatar yeeted

[tidal onyx]

Tupper doesn't even answer

[tame nimbus]

PUBG is band

[tidal onyx]

Ya if you have commission avatars it sucks to see them set to public

[rustic berry]

yikes

[tame nimbus]

in my countr

[rustic berry]

but unfortunately that does happen

[winged igloo]

We do not have the ability to take down discords, even we need to go through the official Discord reporting routes

[tidal onyx]

i know

the trust and safety doesn't do anything tho

in discord

[woven steppe]

so how does the report on discord work... do you just report the server as doing "illegal redistribution" or something likethat?

[visual island]

so what about the issue of people being sent back to their home worlds, is that also fake atm?

[tidal onyx]

reported a Gore Server with tons of nsfw pics and its still there

might be a logout or dc tool

not sure wasn't online since 7 hours

[velvet quarry]

I'd put my money on the more usual server issue.

[tidal onyx]

welp

[winged igloo]

Discord trust and safety has worked well for me, taken down a couple of VRChat hacking Discords through them. Of course they're likely to just start another discord but the disruption is significant and they could lose members

[tidal onyx]

you could report the one with rippers and hacks then

[tardy lintel]

Hi

[rustic berry]

hi

[winged igloo]

@tidal onyx Have you done that already?

[tidal onyx]

nope

[topaz patrol]

Question, where do I find the miko mini avatar? It's just miko but really small and pink

[tidal onyx]

i have send Tupper a message yesterday tho

[neon vine]

Anyone just get sent to their homeworld randomly?

[tidal onyx]

Ya tons of people #user-support-old

[neon vine]

Okay

[queen mango]

Not yet for me, however when I try to go to other worlds, I cannot open my menu as the Esc button doesnt seem to work

[tidal onyx]

prob a new client that has been released or people DDoSing

[neon vine]

@queen mango I was having that issue too, it seems that the server doesnt recognize you are there or its just some really bad lag

[queen mango]

I doubt that. It worked fine on the default home world

Can't just be Desktop Users that are experiencing this same issue.

[neon vine]

Im in vr and i had that issue

I thought my controllers menu buttons broke

and i was gonna be upset

[queen mango]

Chairs seem to be broken too.

[karmic locust]

there are connection issues rn

people are disconnect from worlds left and right

[dawn beacon]

Vrchat is getting rekt by a bot xD

[blissful meadow]

my client did something naughty😦

[dawn beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559970016108216332/566038717224189984/oof.PNG

[karmic locust]

owo

[west oasis]

I keep getting kick from my friends world 4 times now and puts me back my world please fix this problem

[eager prism]

same

[proper lynx]

it happened to all my other friends in a world except me

[queen mango]

To be honest, this should all go to #user-support-old.

[lethal root]

Yeah there's a new DDOS client out. I saw a group of hackers using it in the pug and Ive had it happen 4 times since and a lot people seem to be getting pulled to public home lobbies

They got through my dynamic ip that's supposed to change every 5 to 6 mins and an external vpn

[slow canyon]

Those two things wont protect you from DDOS, if only it was that easy hahaha

[blissful current]

ok

apparently the no menu bug is also connected to the video players

if it doesn't play you'll never open it

and you're stuck until you can only look up & down

[queen mango]

Yep.. that's something that happened in two of the maps I went into

• Philippines KTV Box
• Bahay Tambayan

Both of these maps have a video player.
Strangely, the default home world, VRChat Home, seems unaffected.

@blissful current There's no canny for that issue afaik.

[blissful current]

because home doesn't have an automatically activated video player

[vocal shard]

new DDOS? what?

on what? vrchat?

okay im scared now...

[royal hawk]

Yeah see

[queen mango]

I doubt it's a DDOS.

[royal hawk]

I’d advise you just don’t go on right now.

[vocal shard]

I was thinking of maybe coming back to playing it but, now knowing this i might just wait a while before going back on that game. maybe wait a month or two

[queen mango]

By the way, the quick menu bug only happens on worlds with auto-activated video players.

[vocal shard]

i was about to play cuphead anyway

because i had accounts hacked from me before and well, i rather not go through that again

its... not fun...

Do you know if any off the vrchat developers "mention" about this new DDOS system that exists..? by any chance?

I mean I do get it I havent played in a while but it made me double think my thoughts of maybe returning. at least for a while...

I really don't want my IP address to be leaked

[weary bison]

there's no reported DDOS and the server issues have nothing to do with IP grabbing

[vocal shard]

Thank you for reassuring me. Anyway im really sorry about the issues I caused before.. I didn’t know back then and i was stupid. Im sorry

[queen mango]

[vocal shard]

Thank you hugs

[merry finch]

Ok can someone explain this to me how you get ban evasion if you have not been banned it's makes no damn sense

[queen mango]

That's.. incomprehensible

[merry finch]

I'm so pissed off false banning me

[vocal shard]

the servers still kicking people to home?

[merry finch]

I deserve a explanation

[vocal shard]

have you emailed support?

[merry finch]

I emailed moderation

But that will be in 24 hrs 😤

Feels like someone abusing their power imo

😠

So the mods don't respond to anything in here

[vocal shard]

the mods here are just volunteers picked from the community to help manage the discord chat. the actual moderation team doesn't come here. it can take a while to get an email. days even, since there are only a few game mods for hundreds of emails. if you had an avatar commissioned, or your account logged into a pc with another user on that pc who eventually got banned there is a chance of getting false flagged for evading. sending an email is the fastest way to get it sorted out. you just need to wait now @merry finch

[merry finch]

😤 that is ridiculous

[winged igloo]

Accounts do get accidentally banned from time to time, very rarely, but it does happen. In these cases you just need to email moderation to get the ban lifted. Since you've already done that all you can really do is wait

[merry finch]

All this did was ruin my nite

[winged igloo]

Look man, I'm sorry this happened to you and I can understand your frustration, if there was something more I could do, I would

[merry finch]

My apologies I'm trynna be calm about it but I can't

[winged igloo]

I understand

[merry finch]

Complete BS

👏 thanks

Yo don't ... jus dont

[woven steppe]

friend of mine had this... he makes avatars for other people and one of them gor banned and his account was also banned for ban evasion lol

[rough flax]

I just got sent home. Fix vrc pla

[plucky nebula]

The servers good?

[rough flax]

Pls....

[hardy cobalt]

dc every 3 minutes

[plucky nebula]

[inner blade]

happening to me too

[burnt cradle]

same

[rough flax]

Inb4 @ everyone

Oh noes

[burnt cradle]

got put home when i was home

[inner blade]

strangely enough tnis is also making my framerate suffer as well lol

[rough flax]

@ everyone vrchat is currently having connectivity issues and users are expirencing issues being sent home, we are currently invensagstkng this issue, please be patient.

[vocal shard]

Hey everyone is getting kicked out of worlds into public worlds

Not just home

Just ran into like 3 lewd avatars right now

[inner blade]

for the short duration I'm able to be in a world, my ping is also 100+. Normally around 80.

[vocal shard]

Either servers are shit or y’all getting hacked

[inner blade]

which one is more likely... lol

[steep turret]

It'll get resolved eventually. like it always does.

[inner blade]

aka I give up for the night and tomorrow it's fine but still having other problems 😛

[steep turret]

good luck with that

[rough flax]

@ tupper fix pls

[graceful hare]

oh

[steep turret]

y'all are impatient as hell

[graceful hare]

now fixed

I can login now and move world too

[inner blade]

impatient, maybe. Not our fault we don'y enjoy being ripped away from friends, etc. every few minutes. Ruins it for me.

[vocal shard]

Also. Don’t like the idea of people exposed to lewd avatars

People use private worlds for a reason.

[rough flax]

Tupper fix pls

[vocal shard]

And then getting ripped into the public worlds is not a good combination

[inner blade]

;ast time this happe ed to me it went on for an hour, so yeah, I'll find something elss to do rather than wait around

Oof, my typing on oculus virtual keyboard is atrocious...

[grizzled cloak]

i dont have any recording softwares, but there's some people with clients putting crash portals in the great pug : 97162

[tidal onyx]

Screenshots maybe?

[grizzled cloak]

and theyre doing something that makes you lag

[queen mango]

Might wanna report something like that via mail through [e-mail]

It may take some time, but they'll look into it eventually

[grizzled cloak]

yeah they just "hit me offline"

yeah they just ddossed my shit

[umbral reef]

Doubt it as your still chatting here...

[grizzled cloak]

on phone

now im back on pc

[queen mango]

Ah, so through the G-mail app on your phone?

[grizzled cloak]

?

[queen mango]

I was assuming you'd be using it since you're on the phone.

[grizzled cloak]

my internet already came back so

and i managed to get shadowplay working so i have atleast something

[blazing anchor]

so just a random question, what do the content flags actually do when you upload something to vr chat? why are they even there if making avatars like that are str8 against the rules? i feel like if any of those are ticked, the avatr shouldnt load in a public world.

[rough pulsar]

They're leftovers from long ago. They do nothing. I don't know why they're still there.

If an avatar breaks any of the community guidelines https://vrchat.com/community-guidelines no amount of ticking boxes in the SDK changes that.

[umbral reef]

I wonder if the tags even get stored on accounts or that it's just empty buttons

[tidal onyx]

just don't use them in public and make sure no one streams so you can use for whatever reason

[blazing anchor]

well that seems pretty misleading and contradictory to vrchats own rules so those should get fixed/removed if they dont want nsfw content in their game.

it implys that they allow it if you tick the box

[icy thistle]

guys,i heard that there's a virus contained in some avatars that you clone from others

[odd lava]

I heard that earth is flat

[icy thistle]

oh fuck

[blazing anchor]

ive heard of that for avatars set as private but never public ones.

[icy thistle]

but if it's private, how would it spread the virus?

[barren zinc]

a bunch of snakes in a trench coat just stole my car

[indigo fern]

lizard people are real

i knew it

[barren zinc]

Theres an eagle i nthe yard and hes giveing me the death glare

[blazing anchor]

its mainly meant for people with modified clients yoinking avatars maliciously, from what i hear.

like a countermeasure

[barren zinc]

holy hell tis raining spiders